protection

[jagged pier]

that depends what lvl of key your doing in 20 u for HoA at least u have to pull pretty big to time it

[blazing condor]

every shard has 2 obliterators

unless youre a pussy

but they melt anyway so

[jagged pier]

when u go to the third shard and pull the dogs, the thrust guy, a third obliterator and the groundkeeps all with it at the same time

then u just pop aegis

[blazing condor]

ez

[lofty widget]

if aegis reduces a melee hit below 0 does it apply necrotic?

[ionic fern]

Just go the route that allows for biggest pulls possible,equip Seismic and then come show us how you beat at least 1 pug dps in that run.

[blazing condor]

thats the move

[ionic fern]

Pretty sure it still applies Necrotic. Unless you dodge/parry it'll be applied.

[blazing condor]

crit builds on necro week

[ionic fern]

Bring back old ravager with increased parry.

[jagged pier]

then we get strange ppl come in with a new 'great' build

[ionic fern]

For Mekka?

[ivory coral]

Not playing a necrotic key until the 9.1.5 nerf... fort sang necrotic has me scarred for life

[limber temple]

Trying to get my head round stats here. Is it better to run with 239 Dom gear with fully upgraded shards than 252 "bis" gear in Mythic+? I am getting quite the collection of 252 gear and I wont ever get better shard gear.

[jagged pier]

yes dom gear is better

[blazing condor]

fun

[jagged pier]

i dunno just have full 252 dom piece like me

[ionic fern]

You ever been banned from a discord?

[jagged pier]

no KEKW

[limber temple]

He made my dog cry.

[ionic fern]

First time for everything..

[jagged pier]

im a good guy

[ionic fern]

Can't be a good guy if you made Zekkz dog cry.

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

😠

apologise

[ionic fern]

Why do we have 2 similar emojis with different quality..

[jagged pier]

[ivory coral]

Not even 259?

[blazing condor]

full 259

pog

[jagged pier]

i havent kill KT or slyv

[ivory coral]

I haven't killed a single mythic boss

Maybe next tier

[limber temple]

Yeah - No Mythic boss for me.

[silk edge]

the legendary scraper thing will be there in 9.1.5 ?

ah yes indeed, nvm me 😄

[blazing condor]

The chad ”i salvage my leggo and replace it depending on what im gonna do”

The virgin ”if i do torghast for a few weeks i can have two leggos”

[outer copper]

Same question here - how is 239 gear (the does not work in M+) better than 252 gear that does work in M+? Especially for us that scale with attack power/ilvl. Cheerio! 🙂

[blazing condor]

The shards work in m+

the set bonuses do not

you could probably drop a 239 piece with the leech gem for a 252 for m+

for example

but the dps shards you still want as well as the ice absorb being pretty good

[sick sentinel]

I dunno mythic raiding seems like Virginia neckbeard content to me no offense

[jagged pier]

becuase the shard still work so getting like 800k shield for kyr over the dungeon is better than any extra stam u get and having like a permanent 5-7% more damage is also far better than any ilvl upgrades cheerio 🙂

[sick sentinel]

I sure as hell wouldn't want to spend 2-3 nights a week min on mythic raid

[jagged pier]

there are 1 night raid guilds out there

also hc dom gear which is pugable is still better than 252 if its a dom piece

[blazing condor]

Heck even mythic is puggable now

At least first 3 bosses

[jagged pier]

thats true

[primal cape]

Do you have a reroll tank you like to play ? hard to have fun on other char, excepting DK a little bit

[ionic fern]

Paladin for me.

I just default to it when ever i get tilted because people don't interrupt.

[jagged pier]

brew, paladin veng dh for like a key a season

[outer copper]

What if you cannot reach the the level of Naowh? What if doing a +13 is an achievement?

[ionic fern]

Huh?

[outer copper]

Few people can raid Mythic

[ionic fern]

Oh, you're on the previous topic.

[jagged pier]

still dom sockets are still better

even normal dom sockets are better than 252 for, 4 of the gems

[ionic fern]

Yeah, there are certain DOM sockets that are really valuable in m+.
The frost absorb ones + the damage ones are all really solid and worth dropping ilvl for.

I'm rocking a HC chest with the absorb one in it.

[outer copper]

This one?

[jagged pier]

Shard of Kyr
Shard of Dyz
Shard of Cor
Shard of Bek

[ionic fern]

If doing a +13 is an achievement for you then:
1)If you're happy with it - good for you.
2)If you're not happy with it - ask for advise.

Survivability in a +13 is literally just playing the class correctly.

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[outer copper]

that's why I joined this channel - so I can ask for advice people who are pros and played the game more than I have 🙂

thanks guys!

[primal cape]

btw its seismic week 👀

[outer copper]

nope

[jagged pier]

its seimic every week if your comfotable

[ionic fern]

Damage wise you can also just sim yourself but more than likely you will see that a ilvl drop for a piece with domination socket will be better.

[ionic fern]

This.

[outer copper]

Spiteful Necrotic

[ionic fern]

Spiteful is like made for Seismic.
The number of times enemies die and 1 of them lives and my seismic becomes useless is too big.
Now i can still get benefit from Seismic thanks to spiteful.

[primal cape]

used ghosts to blame DPS when theyre running and my DPS is pumping

gonna setup a lil 15 with OPC

[strong forum]

2nd tank choice was always vdh for me

[jagged pier]

why?

[strong forum]

But only spb vdh

[jagged pier]

opc?

opc only has value with EM tbh

[strong forum]

Big haste

[velvet acorn]

HELP QUICK, im being forced to tank next boss, what is the soulbind for raiding as a night fae and what should be my conduits?

i only have reprisal, is that okay?

or should i craft Wall ASAP

[primal cape]

which boss

[velvet acorn]

its gonna be skipping to AKT

KT

then we go sylv

[strong forum]

Then it's korayn for KT

And reprisal

[velvet acorn]

rn we gonna kill tarra

reprisal okay?

aiight aiight

korayn?

[strong forum]

Reprisal is better on all bosses but sylv

[velvet acorn]

talents?

[strong forum]

Are you doing mythic or hc

Cuz on HC you can easily play reprisal on sylv without too much trouble or knowledge

Can also play reprisal on mythic sylv , but you need to be a little better

[velvet acorn]

HC

[jagged pier]

just wear Nature fury then

[velvet acorn]

: o

[strong forum]

Or that ye

Hc is piss easy on tanks

KT is a joke even on mythic

So no worries there

And sylv, is just "don't take too many tank combos" and call for dispells in p3

[blazing condor]

I dont remember is rep mor dmg than em?

On st bosses

like for sylv/eye if you dont need the sb will the rage/proc still be more damage

[jagged pier]

depends on your crit really

[blazing condor]

True i guess

I run rep on every fight in sod rn

Just curious if its worth to switch for logs

Dont think its needed

[strong forum]

EM is more dmg if it lines up for add pad

Like on soulrender or fatescribe

Other than that, no

[ionic fern]

Tbh EM is also a lot easier to use so if you can't reliably charge weave or you forget about it completely like i do chances are you will perform better with EM.

[plush tendon]

Spear on Painsmith is fun

[wild hemlock]

thats gotta be awesome

[plush tendon]

run weapon out, then chuck the spear like its SoA and get all the free CDR

Painsmith also super fun fight 🙂

My guild did its first real night on it last night, saw P3 once

[sweet summit]

[viral falcon]

Hi Guys, i have ask and I think it isnt First time.. But sorry in Phone i dont know how to search etc...

So i start play protect ion and I have big problem with agro Management. When i pull Mobs usw thunders clap, shield slam i have rage for shield Block but dame time Dps make some dmg (DH great for this with fcking beam :D) and I løst All threat.

When i use revenge on start for dot and aoe dmg a i cant aply shield slam and Heal is cry.. :D

What is Vetter options? I dont know what i do bad..

[blazing condor]

easy way to engage a pack is to pre-cast Ravager > charge > revenge > tc

or whatever after revenge

should be easy to build rage after that and keep Shield block going with intervene

if needed

and intervene gives you more revenge procs

[jagged pier]

IF u run reprisal

[blazing condor]

well i assume they do

[jagged pier]

i wouldnt

[blazing condor]

why

[jagged pier]

because a lot of the time ppl dont have it or dont use it, because they dont like it

even yesterday someone linked their gear and they were suing the wall

[short kiln]

also, simple answer is just revenge more often

[jagged pier]

u also shoudnt have aggro issue, even if u dont have a leggo

[blazing condor]

not using rep because you dont like it is kinda int since it's actually better but each one to their own

[plush tendon]

and if all else fails... challenging shout

[blazing condor]

but yeah

just revenge more

[viral falcon]

Yep ravager is perfekt for this but I cant use ravager on All Pack.... And when is on coldown, just use charge - revenge - tc- shield Block?

[blazing condor]

thats just kinda what i do but you dont need to think about order that much

use revenge like scotty says thats the bottom line

[short kiln]

Ravager is a 45 second CD. you should have it up for every pack, no?

[viral falcon]

Ok to day i try it, thanks Guys for answer :)

[viral falcon]

Nope

[blazing condor]

god tier dps

[short kiln]

then the answer might be to pull bigger tbh

[viral falcon]

More Dps = more løst threat :D

[lime urchin]

This macro will most likely solve some of your threat issues!

[short kiln]

most of us are doing between 6k and 10k overall DPS in a key

with reprisal

[viral falcon]

Oh thank you

[ionic fern]

You should have Avatar and/or Ravager for most packs.
Charge into Revenge spam is all you need.

Reprisal takes care of SB for the first 4 seconds meaning you got enough time/rage to dump into Revenges and establish agro.

[short kiln]

Basically Revenge your rage away unless you have to cast shield block. lol

[ionic fern]

Don't cast TC as your first GCD - it's trash damage - cast Revenge.

[teal swift]

Low keys go brrrrr

[strong forum]

I prefer to cast TC as very first global so the mobs don't run to the healer as their first action in case revenge isn't able to hit them yet

!

Same with dps running in instantly

It's not alot of dmg, but makes it so mobs target you first

[blazing condor]

the real chad move is to heroic leap in - intervene back to the healer then charge back in and cast ravager

[strong forum]

[jagged pier]

[ivory coral]

Why burn the leap you can just intervene before you charge, then leap out and charge again

Twice the charge

[spiral geode]

Or you can cast ravager while charging and then TC.

[jagged pier]

oh wait its necro week i though u just run this week

because 1 stack of necro keys over right?

[ivory coral]

True

I'm not even logged in and I'm still dead

[blazing condor]

thats why you jump and take fall damage so you can pre-use your phial

so you have immunity going into the pack

[strong forum]

No

It's 2

[ivory coral]

Leaping into the middle of a pack with no mitigation and getting globaled because all the mobs melee you at the same time, that's that demon hunter shit

[ionic fern]

I cried a bit yesterday when i intervened out from the crush from the tormentor dude and then charged back in..and then i realised i wasted a Revenge! proc.

[blazing condor]

its sad

only time i ever really intervened into charge was on sludgefist on pull

even then it felt weird

[jagged pier]

that because u learned from the best

😉

[blazing condor]

actually true 🙂

it was a good video

[viral falcon]

Guys rlly thanks for tips :)

[blazing condor]

my first mythic orange parse as well in cn

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

now i even have pink ones

but that on tarra so it dont count lol

[jagged pier]

i have a rank 11 but its 97 parse

[blazing condor]

🤔

late boss?

[jagged pier]

guardian

i was rank 3 on the eye for a while tho

[blazing condor]

beeg

kinda weird how 6,3k on guardian is only 97

but it makes sense i guess

less people who've done it and more good warriors doing that boss on mythic

[ionic plank]

[blazing condor]

compared to hc

[jagged pier]

yer but its funny that it was my first kill and was nearly top 10 what are warriors doing who got there before me

🤔

[blazing condor]

do you run wall on eye?

[jagged pier]

i do now cause i was rank 3 no need to go higher

dont really know what im gunna play this week

might go EM

[blazing condor]

my guild disbanded so no more parses for me

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

you do 500 more dps than me on eye tho so was just curious what you ran

my fight is 1 min longer tho

[strong forum]

that would do it

[jagged pier]

yer that will do it

[blazing condor]

i also dont run sack

i run ows

[jagged pier]

and my rank 3 log as well we got adds spawn as we pushed so got both times for the extra cleave damage as well

[blazing condor]

yeah makes sense

on our first kills we'd hold dps to deal with ads

[sweet summit]

holding dps 🤢

[blazing condor]

there's a reason my guild isnt raiding anymore and didnt progress furhter than 3/10

we just weren't that good

[sweet summit]

take that opportunity to look for a better guild?

[blazing condor]

on one wants me

[sweet summit]

[brittle owl]

get swole

lift weights, take bitchez

ez

[jagged pier]

u obvs didnt look hard enough, there are guild out there

i found one

[blazing condor]

yeah there are

im busy with college and irl stuff

things i'd rather do than wow

so i'm quite niched in my searching

[brittle owl]

college is the best time to git gud at wow

[sweet summit]

^

[jagged pier]

^^

[blazing condor]

thats why i got gud during the pandemic

[brittle owl]

git gudder

[blazing condor]

but shit's opening up again now and i actually get to go outside

[sweet summit]

git the guddest

[brittle owl]

outside is overrated

[blazing condor]

im de-transitioning

[sweet summit]

very sad

[blazing condor]

can't git the guddest with gatekeeping me

[brittle owl]

that's just you pinning limits to yourself

[jagged pier]

[sweet summit]

that's funny

[blazing condor]

tbh tho i'm looking for guild with more than 3/10 progress but its hard to get in with no prior high mythic exp

thats the reason they dont want me for sure

[jagged pier]

i mean yes and no if u have good logs and can prove you can do mechanics a guild might give u a chance

back in HFC i went from zero mythic experience to a like 9 out of whatever guild or some shit

based on logs

[blazing condor]

based

but yeah true

i mean i got good logs

it's tough finding a guild that's actually in need of tanks tho cus anyone with half a brain can raid tank

and they wont switch out a tank based on dps

[jagged pier]

then play dps and when a tank leaving go in on it

thats what i did

[blazing condor]

yeah im thinking about it

my arms gear is on par with my prot gear

always people looking for arms warriors

your guild need any?

[jagged pier]

i dont think so

[blazing condor]

really gonna do your own like that

i see

[sweet summit]

[jagged pier]

well my old guild is already high on melee and always have been

and i think the one im in now was only looking for a tank

but like most places both 'will consider exceptional players'

or whatever the quote is u see in all guild recuritment forms

[blazing condor]

yea for sure

i definitely could find a guild if i really tried

im just being lazy and not caring as much cus im busy with other things

( )

[jagged pier]

thats the biggest copium

bigger than nomes when he says his sub is running out in x amount of days

[blazing condor]

lmao

naw but im just not really into wow as much and would rather do cringe normie things with friends than sit inside and play vidya

so i'm not really trying

[ancient reef]

can i do twisting as prot or should i go arms

[jagged pier]

u can do it as ither

[blazing condor]

prot is slow but steady

arms is more fun

[jagged pier]

eh?

literally mas pull as prot

[ancient reef]

tbh i find prot more fun to play

i like arms tho

[brittle owl]

can't beat the literal reckless gameplay as a tank spec

[north pecan]

Reminder to run Kleia if your gonna tank M+ this week

[ionic fern]

Why?

[crude notch]

yeah why?

[ionic fern]

"Because of the 8s of Necrotic immunity".

[north pecan]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=329776/ascendant-phial

[jagged pier]

ppl think the immune to necro is gunna do somthing

to an affix that doesnt mean anything

[ionic fern]

It's 100% not mandatory/needed.

[north pecan]

Allows you do a triple/quad pull every 3 min

[ionic fern]

It's a nice QoL but Necrotic has existed way before this thing and people have managed it just fine.

But i do that anyways.

👀

[north pecan]

Meh, allowed me to time a 24 pf and nw this week

[ancient reef]

wouldnt forgelit filter be just as good

[crude notch]

Chances are

You would have

[strong forum]

As a runner of many keys I can confidently say

[crude notch]

timed it anyways

[strong forum]

Amogus

[ionic fern]

👍

[jagged pier]

oooo wow allowed u to do the easiest key of them all

which u can do with any soulbind or conduit

[ionic fern]

I mean - if he likes Kleia on Necrotic it's perfectly fine.

[jagged pier]

sure

[crude notch]

The problem is he said it as if it were mandatory

[strong forum]

No need to be condescending, kleia does in fact help

Albeit not necessary

[ionic fern]

Eeh, i think we are reading too much into it.

😄

[jagged pier]

but its not the reason why he timed the key or is it the be all or end all of necro weeks

i prefer my spear

[ionic fern]

And my ax.

[jagged pier]

on a 40 sec cd tbh

[strong forum]

And my

[crude notch]

You even acknowledged it yourself Mwahi

[ionic fern]

Acknowledged what?

👀

[crude notch]

That he came off as it being mandatory/needed.

[strong forum]

It was with well intent

This got too aggressive too fast

Imo

[ionic fern]

Oh, i ment no harm with it. 😄
It was just a response that it's not "mandatory/needed" just because of necrotic.

[jagged pier]

i mean i have been saying since necro week 2 of the expansion u dont need kelia

but every ignores what i say

[ionic fern]

Jeah, it got way too agressive, sorry, haha.:D

[jagged pier]

[north pecan]

Only reason why I even brought it up was I failed a key bc I was running bron

[strong forum]

F

[ionic fern]

How did it make you fail a key tho?

👀

[crude notch]

🤔

[north pecan]

Meh, I only pull double triple on tyran weeks

and that can get sketchy

[ionic fern]

Were you expecting to clear stacks with Phial and then realised you were running Mika?

[north pecan]

Nah just forgot how fast it stacks up

[jagged pier]

that will clear stacks anyways mwahi

[strong forum]

Soa can be a bitch

Etherworms alone made wanna run kleia in soa

56 stacks in like 3 seconds

Twice

[ionic fern]

Cause that happened to me on the first week when i transfered to horde..
I was at 50 stacks and like "aight, time to pull one extra pack ontop of this and then clear Necrotic with Dwarf racial".
Needless to say my Orc racial did not clear the stacks of Necrotic.

[crude notch]

Heck

[strong forum]

But I have done like 2 necrotic keys in all of SL

[crude notch]

I hate it when my Orc racial doesn't clear necrotic

[strong forum]

I hate it when orc

[ionic fern]

Same.

[strong forum]

[crude notch]

Nom playing vulpera?

[strong forum]

🦊

[ionic fern]

Did you play in legion?
The worms in Karazhan stacking Necrotic to 99 in like 2 seconds.

[jagged pier]

🦊

[crude notch]

Double heck.

[ionic fern]

[crude notch]

Temple orb room

[north pecan]

Ya, was worse since tanks were basically solo classes back then

[strong forum]

Vulpera since day1

Babyyy

[north pecan]

idk i hated shrine more

with necro

[strong forum]

Fuck shrine

Even without necro

Garbage ass key

Big whoop

The amount of effort shrine took

Before first boss alone

Is not worth

[jagged pier]

fuck bfa dungeons, fuck SL dungeons

[north pecan]

ya and ppl fucking up waterfall invis

[brittle owl]

lmao waterfall invis

[crude notch]

heck dungeons.

[brittle owl]

just pull everything and blow it up with rando TD procs

[crude notch]

pet battle true endgame

[strong forum]

YES

[brittle owl]

[strong forum]

That's my kinda key

[ionic fern]

TD procs
Goes in the wrong direction

[north pecan]

ya x6 td with 40% haste

[strong forum]

I'm very glad that I have a few s4 keys on my YouTube

[brittle owl]

you mispelled "pad direction"

[strong forum]

Very fun watch every now and again

[north pecan]

or the most retarded, I got to 73% vers on my brew

[strong forum]

No

[ionic fern]

Don't even start.

With Vers.

[strong forum]

I got up to 90%

And it made me wanna kill myself

Why even play if you don't even need to play well to survive

[ionic fern]

Lets be honest

This was the play.

Leech corruption ftw.

[strong forum]

Lucid memes

[crude notch]

Any leech gamers where's hawg

[ionic fern]

[brittle owl]

⛔

phuck

leech

[ionic fern]

Diddn't some warriors also enchant weapons with leech in MDI?

👀

[crude notch]

[brittle owl]

tbh i'd expect anything from wow paralympics

[north pecan]

IDK I really like 7.3 when we could buy all the corruption and become retarded

[brittle owl]

the novelty was fun

the rest was ass

shitters getting places just because of rng

[north pecan]

Well when you could buy em all it didnt matter

[strong forum]

Late 8.3 was aight

[brittle owl]

returning players getting piped from not getting essences

[strong forum]

But vers corruption was a mistake

Or vers

In general

[brittle owl]

vers is fine

the retardation surrounding it isn't

[strong forum]

True

And it all stems from s4

[brittle owl]

nah

it's a bfa thing mostly

[strong forum]

Before 8.3 I haven't seen any vers nonsense

It was leech nonsense before that

[brittle owl]

MaGiC MiTiGaTiOn

[strong forum]

Magic mitigate this dick

[brittle owl]

🍆

[jagged pier]

only if u wear your cat ears @strong forum

wait

what

[strong forum]

🦊

[brittle owl]

you forgot hEaLeR ReLiAnCe

[strong forum]

Warri requires alot of healing

Another one

[jagged pier]

THATS TRUE WE DONT HEAL

[brittle owl]

SHIT TANK

NO SELF HEAL > NEED VERS

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-super-smart-not-dumbt-all-spongebob-worship-gif-15742321

[brittle owl]

IP > SB

[strong forum]

Mastery + vers + never surrender bis stats cuz it makes IP bigger

[jagged pier]

[brittle owl]

ignore dis diq

[ionic fern]

I wish SB showed up on healing meters.

[strong forum]

No

[brittle owl]

i wish you showed up

😳

[ionic fern]

👀

[strong forum]

We can't have 20k hps every pull...

That would seem unrealistic

[jagged pier]

do it

watch prot get insta nerfed

somehow

[ionic fern]

But like..just for one day..make SB show up on healing meters.
And then we can do a key..make a screenshot of the healing meters with SB vs IP mitigation and post it here and end all the "IP vs SB" discussions with "Check the pins".

[brittle owl]

i'd rather run social experiments with cockroaches tbh

[strong forum]

It would be glorious.

[brittle owl]

you won't end the discussion though

you'd just open another can of worms

[strong forum]

I guess with the new customization and tools wcl is adding

[ionic fern]

That's a problem for the next Warrior Theorycrafter.

[strong forum]

I think you could make a chart / table

[brittle owl]

chart this....

[strong forum]

Plane

[brittle owl]

✈️

[strong forum]

:dab:

[ionic fern]

:notdabcauseimnottwelve:

[brittle owl]

:dab:

12 yolds don't even dab anymore

it's become the boomer move

[ionic fern]

Oh.

Wait

What

I thought it's the "big thing".

[brittle owl]

2014 called

old man

[crude notch]

:sip:

[ionic fern]

😦

[strong forum]

Dabbing is old now, ye

[ionic fern]

What's the new thing?

[strong forum]

Sheesh and houuueuea

[brittle owl]

shit if i know

[ionic fern]

Then i know what i can type at the end of the keys.

[jagged pier]

SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH

[brittle owl]

just type

[strong forum]

That moan/shout huuuyah thingy

[brittle owl]

radical

or tubular

old 80's surfer slang

ez

[strong forum]

And sheesh is trending again

[jagged pier]

sheesh

[strong forum]

Although sheesh is very old too

But it resurfaced

[brittle owl]

sheesh is at most 1-2 years

in it's current iteration

[ionic fern]

"used to express disbelief or exasperation."?

[strong forum]

In Germany sheesh is atleast 10 years old

[crude notch]

Yeah because it's shocking when YOU time a key

GOTTEM

[brittle owl]

you looked up the old timey one

[ionic fern]

That is true tbh.

[brittle owl]

who cares about german slang though

[strong forum]

Your mum

[crude notch]

Germans

[brittle owl]

she's not into anime stick figure soyboys

but i am 😳

[strong forum]

[ionic fern]

I'm still trying to figure out what the new sheesh is.,

[strong forum]

Fuck gen z

[brittle owl]

is that a vice article

[ionic fern]

Idk

I just googled "Sheesh"

[brittle owl]

👮

[strong forum]

Gen z also thinks that people over 20 are old

[brittle owl]

tbh

[strong forum]

And that 30 is grandma

[crude notch]

half of Gen Z IS over 20

wym

[brittle owl]

when i was a teen i was thinking the same so

[ionic fern]

Damn.

[jagged pier]

ppl over 20 are old

[strong forum]

@sweet summit

Confirm

[jagged pier]

☝️

[brittle owl]

is erga not 20 yet

[strong forum]

Uuh maybe

Idk

[brittle owl]

@sweet summit a/s/l pls

[jagged pier]

i think hes still young

he just a pumper tho

[sweet summit]

what

[brittle owl]

asl

[sweet summit]

12 no home

[jagged pier]

POG

[strong forum]

[jagged pier]

plays in internet cafes

i get it

[ionic fern]

If i had to guess the ages of SF i would say from youngest to oldest..
Erga>Nome>Jakey

👀

[brittle owl]

@jagged pier asl

[strong forum]

Im older than jakey i thinks

[sweet summit]

idk

[strong forum]

1 or 2 years

[jagged pier]

i am 26

[sweet summit]

both of you are 46 in my head

[crude notch]

lol

[strong forum]

OK dude

[ionic fern]

😂

[crude notch]

Uhoh

How old is Nom

[jagged pier]

we old i get it @sweet summit

[strong forum]

I turn 27 in march

[jagged pier]

SAME

[crude notch]

Oh god

[strong forum]

So we pretty much same

[ionic fern]

Damn, you are both..young.

[strong forum]

Wait

[brittle owl]

lmao

[crude notch]

I'm 32.

[sweet summit]

i was close

[jagged pier]

me and nome same birthday?

[brittle owl]

babies

[strong forum]

27

[sweet summit]

@brittle owl 👴

[jagged pier]

oof

2 days older than me

[strong forum]

Get owned

[brittle owl]

shut up weeb

[sweet summit]

sorry

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

You're now my Kohai

[brittle owl]

is that like a sex slave

[sweet summit]

?

[strong forum]

🚔

[jolly lagoon]

ehm, which one to choose? this is mental. I have a 246 scale already though

[strong forum]

Aegis

[jagged pier]

aegis

[sweet summit]

aegis

[strong forum]

30484040%

[jagged pier]

12345678987654321%

[jolly lagoon]

we do have that boss on farm though

[brittle owl]

oo%

[jagged pier]

dont matter

[sweet summit]

take opc for arms then

[crude notch]

AEGIS

[strong forum]

On farm doesn't mean that you'll ever see it drop

Lol

[crude notch]

You don't have the loot luck on farm

[jolly lagoon]

I already have the opc 252

[sweet summit]

yea

aegis

[strong forum]

Ez aegis then

[sweet summit]

ok

[brittle owl]

aegis

thank you

come again

[crude notch]

"Guys what should I take"
"X"
"No I don't want to"

Then why'd you ask?

[jolly lagoon]

scale or aegis

[brittle owl]

to make sure?

[jolly lagoon]

but yeah aegis

[jagged pier]

cause ppl still think scale is good

KEKW

[strong forum]

Sigea

[crude notch]

Scale

[sweet summit]

scale was the better option in season 1, but aegis is bonkers in comparison

[brittle owl]

scale dis diq

[crude notch]

:omegalul:

[jagged pier]

aegis is bonkers

[sweet summit]

that's what it says

ye

[jagged pier]

damn he beat me to the edit

[brittle owl]

[sweet summit]

i am speed

[brittle owl]

no

[strong forum]

I am kerchoo

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/flash-lampo-speed-gif-18173027

[brittle owl]

you're a weeb

[sweet summit]

https://tenor.com/view/luigi-ok-and-superprobablyuser-gif-23148691

[ionic fern]

I want a aegis.:(

[strong forum]

Omg is that Sheldon from the big bang theory? Famous for its nerdy crew and hot neighbour?

[brittle owl]

enjoy the kachow before you get the kapow @sweet summit

[sweet summit]

try me

scrub

[brittle owl]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-pom-weeb-cheer-gif-14967084

[sweet summit]

cope

seethe

mald

[strong forum]

Sneed

[crude notch]

Blind me with your white gifs

[brittle owl]

i don't take basement dwellers into account when i search for gifs

sorry

[sweet summit]

https://tenor.com/view/do-i-give-a-damn-gif-22725215

[crude notch]

So you use light mode discord?

[brittle owl]

nah that shit ugly

[crude notch]

So perfect fit for you

🙂

[sweet summit]

he's right

[brittle owl]

that's not what your mothers said

😎

[crude notch]

My mother also is dumb so.

[sweet summit]

[crude notch]

On her 5th marriage, you just another notch in the belt

[brittle owl]

imma just leave it at that

kinda tmi tbh

[crude notch]

That's on you.

[primal cape]

where do you craft EM?

boots?

[sweet summit]

leg

[blazing condor]

leg-endary

its in the name

[crude notch]

hue hue

[primal cape]

hm with EM my crit is not going 📈

or at least it's not showing while typing C

[jagged pier]

because it doesnt increase your crit

[primal cape]

only crit im doing then ?

[jagged pier]

as it says

increase crit damage by 25%

[primal cape]

french translate could be mistaken but ok then

[ancient reef]

i wish we could upgrade wq rewards

[ancient reef]

ive never run twisting how do i get reprisal from there

[distant crystal]

you go in on layer 3 i think?, if it's the wing you need, do 6 floors and collect leggo

if it's not, leave and go back until it is the wing you need

[blazing condor]

what Waat said

you need the Upper Reaches layout

legendaries drop on TC layer 3 and higher

[ancient reef]

startin from zero how do i get it to three

[blazing condor]

you do TC layer one and then two

just gotta grind it out to get layer 3

[ancient reef]

im on floor 8 of layor one, does it end

[blazing condor]

eventually

🙂

TC is 16 floors unless theyve changed it

[sick sentinel]

can u log out in tc and continue when u log back in? or do u get kicked out then??

[strong forum]

its an instance, so i dont think so

[sick sentinel]

for necrotic, of course

[strong forum]

its like 7% speed.

not worth it

[sick sentinel]

yep i know i'm kidding, such "kill and get movement" can make avoiding or positioning easier but meh

[primal cape]

do you use ravager and spear at same time ?

[strong forum]

if they line up that way, yes

generally you use ravager before you engage a pack just before you charge

so you dont immediately use ravager->spear

[sick sentinel]

ravager directly on group about to pull, or on you after you charge

spear shortly after, once there is (4+ ideal) mobs you can hit easily

[ancient reef]

can you do this in a gorup or only solo

[strong forum]

twisted corridors?

[ancient reef]

yea

[strong forum]

easily soloable

[mighty valley]

i think you can group up if you want

but yeah, powers will eventually make it easy

[strong forum]

its literally just torghat

[crude notch]

Yeah just 9.0 torgy

[distant crystal]

you can log out but not for very long or it'll time out and lob you

[grave summit]

necro wake % before going to stitch?

[lofty widget]

if you mean % before going up it's 68.2

[strong forum]

If you mean upstairs, 68% iirc

[sick sentinel]

route im on says 69.6 when i go to Lt.

with an invis skip at that part

[blazing condor]

Lt?

[sick sentinel]

short form for lieutenant,

[blazing condor]

o

[sick sentinel]

jailer guy

[blazing condor]

yeye

[sick sentinel]

i got like a quasi knowledge of military from like cod,bf,and world of tanks

wot is kinda fun but its literally just geometry homwework, and its so slow paced they measure it damage per minute.

[modern brook]

Lemme just say

The worst part of world of warcraft is that someone let the primus say

"To the Victor goes the anima"

And absolutely everyone wa OK with it

[sick sentinel]

i am waiting for them to unveil the jailer and it turns out to be arthas

can't see it going any other wya

[modern brook]

Arthas was not alive at the creation of life and death

So I'll press x on that personally

[blazing condor]

Who tf is victor and why does he keep taking my anima

[minor hazel]

Sorry if I asked this before but didn't catch the answer...

Starting to cross-spec now and run more as Tank/Prot.

What is the best Leg/memory combo and why? I'm NF Cov if it matters.

Thanks in advance.

[median tulip]

Reprisal, Haste/Vers, Legs. Best defence and offence.

[coral jasper]

So I was kyrian.. then I swapped NF ... and now I want Kyrian again.. so I chose to go back Kyrian.. but it didn't make me "prove my worth"... did thye remove that? I didn't realize they did.. hmm

[minor hazel]

Well on the Arms side, the Spear is the latest flavor...but I'm not starting over after going 77 NF reknown, so I'll live with Aftershock until 9.15 when reknown transfers.

Obviously not as many self-heals as a Prot Pally, and certainly not played by many, but have enjoyed the Prot spec. Great AOEs & damage reducers and can really hold up strong in Raid or M+ melee.

[sick sentinel]

Reprisal over everything except seismic and then possibly the wall

It's best because it ensures you have your main mitigation, rage and something to instantly use it on

[spiral mason]

Renown doesn't transfer though

[minor hazel]

Yeah? I had heard it would in 9.15...then guess I'll still be hanging out with the Fairies for good. 😎

[modern brook]

they reset it at 9.1 or something

they basically made it going into 9.1 that whatever cov u had on was the one you were in always

wrt prove your worth

[balmy coral]

I see guides recommend shard over matrix, I see matrix reducing more damage and doing more damage?

[north pecan]

Honestly for key go double use

For trinkets

I wish my 252 reactive was good

[balmy coral]

I am looking foe raids

for pushing keys I run Matrix+Aegis, I also have OWS, and a few other dps trinkets

I don't have a scale

[median tulip]

For Raids I use Scale and AFE. For M+ Aegis and either Matrix or Decanter

[strong forum]

Matrix is super good wdym??

Double on use is quite overkill for us

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/anonymous-pepe-rare-pepe-the-matrix-pepe-matrix-gif-15409694

[lyric relic]

double on use p good for higher keys

[strong forum]

It's good defensively sure

But also alot of lost value cuz of just overkill

[mellow bridge]

It's pretty unnecessary for most keys tbh

[ionic fern]

I wonder how much would i have to pay Blizzard in order for them to make EM usable as NF so i can abuse First Strike with it.

[rotund thicket]

have to play double on use on slyvi

[blazing condor]

If double on use was the play youd see it run in top keys

But it isnt bad at all

[jagged pier]

logs say other wise

[teal swift]

I'd just like prot warrior to be worth playing inbkeys again

Gdro too strong

[ionic fern]

What

Prot is amazing in keys

We do solid damage and are beefy as hell.

[mental scarab]

Avatar ravager and AA in a Big pack of trash

[teal swift]

We are the least popular tank, and have the least high-end performance.

[blazing condor]

🍿

[strong forum]

[jagged pier]

🍿

[strong forum]

We are always the least popular tank unless we're ahead by a significant margin

[blazing condor]

[strong forum]

We have the least high end performance because the best performing players aren't playing prot warrior

WHY DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN THAT

EVERY

SEASON

[teal swift]

Would be nice to see more equal margin

[strong forum]

Will never happen

[blazing condor]

Tanks are in a great spot rn tho tbh

[strong forum]

We're the closest we've ever been in terms of tank balance

[blazing condor]

Literally everything is viable

At the top level

[strong forum]

Popularity =/= imbalance

[teal swift]

My prot warrior is squishier out of the box

Than my druid

[jagged pier]

no

[teal swift]

Prot warrior hits a bit harder tho

Yes.

[jagged pier]

druid is unkillable because of the leggo

outside of the leggo

[teal swift]

A bit is an understatement.

[strong forum]

A good druid still does 7k+ overalls

[teal swift]

Legendaries are apart of current class balance

[strong forum]

It's just that there are very few good druids

[jagged pier]

out of the leggo druid is not good at all

[ionic plank]

they just have completely different mitigation profiles surely

[strong forum]

^

Bear is big - small - big - small

[ionic plank]

incarn = invincible
no incarn = squishy

whereas warrior is more consistent

due to high block uptime

[teal swift]

I get that. It's just unfortunate that the 3 minute cycle also lines up with shit like boomkin

I feel like prot warrior takes 5x more skill to get the same results from an equally geared druid

[strong forum]

Imo, the dps setup Andy was running was better than bringing a boomkin

[strong forum]

But you do get the same result

So... Yeah

That's why pwar is unpopular

It's not dumbfuck easy

[ionic plank]

don't think anyone's arguing that bear is easy to pick up/perform adequately on

[teal swift]

Yet*

Blizzard will find a way to fix the disparity.

But ye, I'm not a top tier player. I'm not skillrd enough to make everything equally viable. But I can play guardian, and wait patiently while I practice and improve. But to be fair I kinda stopped on warrior after ksm, because druid is 10x easier.

[quiet crane]

Obviously choice, but I personally couldn’t sit there and only press thrash the whole time

[ionic fern]

As long as there's chocie/class disparity no they won't.

[strong forum]

Reminder that Andy pushed into top 5 world tanks on his pwar in S1 within 1 week after being geared

When druid was just as potent as it is now

All it takes is 1 of the literal top players to pick it up

Just like Andy got R1 World on his pally when everybody said that pally is squishy and can't do high keys.

And now people are making dumb arguments about pallys

🤷‍♂️

[teal swift]

Idk, I just feel chronically inadequate

[quiet crane]

All the tanks currently can do the most top end

[teal swift]

I love my warrior. It'd my favourite.

[quiet crane]

It’s your ability to make it work

[teal swift]

I'm just trash

[strong forum]

Then get better

[teal swift]

So I'm relegated to druid

Duty

[quiet crane]

That’s just laziness

[teal swift]

While I improve.

[quiet crane]

You can easily improve by proactively playing and learning and reading what you can, just takes time and effort,

[teal swift]

What, I lack skill to get the results my team expects of me onna warrior.

In the time frame expected

[strong forum]

That's their issue

Not yours

If you want to play pwar, play pwar

It's a game

[teal swift]

When I get full 20s on druid

I'll swap back to warrior

[strong forum]

That's copium

[quiet crane]

How are you meant to learn if you don’t even play it

[ionic plank]

and relearn every pull as warrior

[quiet crane]

Your teams is asshats then

And like nom said

[strong forum]

By the time you'll have timed 20s your team will want to push 21s on your druid

[quiet crane]

It’s their problem not yours

[teal swift]

I don't wanna let people down

And I love my team

[strong forum]

You're letting yourself down

[teal swift]

Usually do.

[quiet crane]

^ literally dude

It’s toxic

[jagged pier]

they dont pay your sub they cant make u play druid

[teal swift]

Puro can confirm

No they can't, but It would be fair to hold them back

[strong forum]

Cringe take

Imo

[teal swift]

I value them as people

And can't wait to see them irl

UwU

[quiet crane]

Well, if it’s a problem you can’t even play what you want

They don’t value you

[strong forum]

^

[ionic plank]

but if they feel the same about you, they'll make the same compromise to let you play what you want

[teal swift]

Ofc I can, but we all value progress.

[jagged pier]

btw tank choice effect nothing in 20 keys

[teal swift]

And I don't want to hold em back

[jagged pier]

like playing warrior wont hold u back

[quiet crane]

Dude you literally sound like you’re in a DV situation with your own friends

[teal swift]

DV?

[quiet crane]

And can’t see how Shitty it is

[ionic plank]

I think we're talking about him personally being bad (his words not mine) at warrior whilst druid is easy to preform adequately on

[strong forum]

If my friends don't want to play with me because I want to play X

Then they can go fuck themselves

[ionic plank]

^^

[strong forum]

Who the fuck do they think they are

[quiet crane]

Legit dude

[strong forum]

Telling me what I can and can't do

[quiet crane]

And DV is domestic violence

Like bro

I can promise ya

There’s millions of people on this game

[ionic plank]

we tried to get our tank to play his bear instead of monk, and he said he didnt want to, so now he still plays monk :)

[quiet crane]

You can find a team a shit ton better then then

[jagged pier]

his point was he didnt want his team to wait for him to learn it on warrior

[quiet crane]

And one that’s actually gives a shit what you enjoy to

[blazing condor]

Tldr: just git gud and you can do what you want in the game

[ionic plank]

git gud friends and you can do what you want in the game

[teal swift]

Yeah, I'm sorry if I made it sound bad, it's like 90% of me just trying to do the best I can for them.

[quiet crane]

No your take should be okay what you want cause it’s a game even if your not the best just improve in your own time

[blazing condor]

Lmao imagine having friends

Couldnt be me

[ionic plank]

:(

[blazing condor]

😎

[quiet crane]

Not just get gud

[ionic plank]

i'll be your friend

[quiet crane]

So you CAN have friends and shit

My team started off barely timing 15s

Now were at 25-26 level

[jagged pier]

u should never play something u dont want to, ive been asked to change class, i just say no and the ppl i play with accept that because they know i wont enjoy it

[quiet crane]

And we just okay whatever and experiment, and have fun, if someone wanna reroll we just roll with it, and learn it

[teal swift]

Anyone play on NA? Maybe sometime i could record a vod on warrior and get some tips. Iunno, it's like 4am, and I miss my warrior. So I play it as much as I can >.>

[quiet crane]

Re roll

[teal swift]

Are warrior routes the same as bear routes?

[ionic plank]

same here, I push with friends I know from outside of wow, 2 of them only started this xpac, so they started off doing literal m0s as hard content and now we're 2500rio

[teal swift]

I've always pulled keys, to time them, never big pulls and shit. So I'm trying to learn bigger pulls.

[blazing condor]

You can kinda make the same pulls tbh

Maybe not entirely

But pretty much

I havent dabbled much in it cus i only really pug

[quiet crane]

Just take it but by bit your warrior is more then capable of doing any key your Druid can

[teal swift]

I just want to get to good routes, not the safe shit where I barely +1 each key.

[quiet crane]

Yes albeit a bit harder

[blazing condor]

But big pulls has never really been an issue

[quiet crane]

But still doable

[teal swift]

My warrior gets fucking wrecked in Dos

[quiet crane]

So if it’s what you wanna pkay just start playing only way you’re gunna get better

[teal swift]

For the first two pulls, I actively avoid the key

[mental scarab]

Magic melee

[teal swift]

My druid can eat anything to the face

[mental scarab]

Boring class

[jagged pier]

everyone says that, all u need to do is plan

u dont even need to pull like that anymore

[teal swift]

Like, I know I can enjoy druid too.

But I do wanna make sure my warrior isn't left behind.

[jagged pier]

u can just leave the second pack

[teal swift]

My little vulpera...

In 20s, how much kiting do I need to do

Maybe my issue is, I try to facetank the universe

[jagged pier]

i face tanked 20s at like 235-240 ilvl

early on in the season

[ivory coral]

in 20s you probably only need to kite hoa dogs

[teal swift]

Hmm, I hate blaming things that aren't me. Could it be low team DPS? Bad use of cc? Not an ideal comp?

[jagged pier]

could be playing incorrectly

theres lots of factors

[teal swift]

But even considering that makes me feel like I'm just making excuses.

[ionic plank]

bad use of cc/interrupts is a big thing

[jagged pier]

yer but from what yuzu is saying he has a group so that shouldnt be an issue

[ionic plank]

like the shadowcores in those DoS packs, are reflectable, but they spam them and they fuck you

[jagged pier]

i did mine with pugs so it was i know its doable to face tank 20s so when ppl say u cant i just know thats wrong

[teal swift]

I am gonna try to keep both my druid and warrior going.

[strong forum]

My first key this season was a +17 tyrannical spires

With my 226 pwar

And it was omega fine

[teal swift]

Maybe I'll get the hang out of it

[strong forum]

It was only not timed because my dumb fucking dps players died 2 times on first boss and 3 times on last boss

[ionic plank]

[tame jasper]

@teal swift you are not alone, that a problem I have to. I dont like to kite 😦

[jagged pier]

take dos for instance as i said earlies u dont need to go the right at the start, espically with the rotation it is atm as its the frost guy to the right so imo its a waste of time to go there first its a pointless power, so in my 20 i just went left and stragiht to mecha to get executioner and just did frost guy and that pack much later on

worked fine in a pug

[teal swift]

Rn I'm maintaining my
242 warrior
235 druid

Healer is maintaining
Rshaman
Hpal

Main dps 1:
ELE shaman
DPS war,

And we have like 5-6 fillins for the other 2 DPS slots. But yeah, we got options.

Does prot warrior have an ideal healer?

[strong forum]

Druid prolly

But doesn't matter much

[jagged pier]

druid probs but it really doesnt fucking matter at all

team comp only matter in like 27s

[strong forum]

Bring the player, not the class

[jagged pier]

probs not even then

ppl that are struggling to get to say 15-20 range of keys and look at comp or best class or whats used most in the top end, is literally looking at the wrong thing

u should be looking at what your doing personally and your group is doing because your probably unfortunatly playing wrong in some aspect

if its u or the healer or the dps or missed interrupts or combination of a lot of things

u can do 20s with like any combination or classes

like u can do 15s with 4 tanks and a healer

[strong forum]

[teal swift]

Thanks for the kind words.

I'll work onnit

But edible is kicking in