#protection
ivory coral
that looks fine
teal swift
better than mine 😄
fluid vector
i do 2khps self healling is that fine i know that warrior doesnt heal him self but that seems right?
teal swift
Spend more rage on ignore pain if youre finding yourself squishy
and less on revenge 🙂
jagged pier
that wont save you
selfhealing means nothing
if your squishy in 15, the big things are not managing block correctly, not pressing buttons, not using defensives correctly
ionic fern
I did 2.9k in the mists +17 i did yesterda. 👀
ivory coral
Depends on the pull and how many cooldowns you commit, but hitting 5k hps is not unreasonable at that gear level. Not that it matters, more important to keep your shield block up and not let mobs hit you from behind.
ionic fern
But jeah - HPS means almost nothing for us.
fluid vector
will try my best
jagged pier
he said no
ionic fern
Oh.
jagged pier
i was about to say please log your next runs
ivory coral
use intervene for shield block uptime, if it drops you can shockwave and walk back a bit to charge back in, you can leap away and charge back in, etc
ionic fern
89 IP casts. THINK ABOUT THE DAMAGE I COULD HAVE DONE.
fluid vector
ill start logging now
ivory coral
my IP is usually my highest self-heal in keys 😄
fluid vector
no logs unfortunitly
jagged pier
89 IP casts. THINK ABOUT THE DAMAGE I COULD HAVE DONE.
thats nearly 180 revenge casts there 
ionic plank
89 IP casts. THINK ABOUT THE DAMAGE I COULD HAVE DONE.
that savory statshroom heal utilisation
lime urchin
What is all this ignore pain jibber jabber
Here, I’ll help ya
#showtooltip Ignore Pain /cast revenge
jagged pier
fluid vector
whats the bis conduits for m+?
jagged pier
jagged pier
also should be said conduits make a very very small difference
pretty sure Nome and me have both done keys with arms conduits in at some point
strong forum
I may or may not have done that
sick sentinel
Allright guys weird question
Lately i hear my dps is real high as prot warrior in 15/16 keys
I am 238 ilvl and do an everage of 5 to 6,5k dps depending on the dungeon
But i do not feel squishy at all
teal swift
That sounds about right
sick sentinel
Im not complaining about it but i hear this alot last week
sick sentinel
I am al@ost not using ignore pain tbh
teal swift
ikr?
sick sentinel
But my dps seems allright then?
sick sentinel
Allright time to push it then :p
teal swift
if youre still not having any issues with survival
sick sentinel
Yeah was allready starting with that
median tulip
pretty sure Nome and me have both done keys with arms conduits in at some point
I've mistakenly tanked raids with my Arms conduits in, and not noticed until I get to a boss that challenges me enough to trigger the auto-pot
(I don't use auto-pot as Prot)
wild hemlock
any oldschool runescape people in here?
sick sentinel
used to be very long time ago
cunning grail
anyone that can help me with necro soulbind for raid tanking? recently changed to tank for the guild. I cant rly find much online
winter spade
Check top players on warcraftlogs
cunning grail
cool thx
modern brook
anyone that can help me with necro soulbind for raid tanking? recently changed t...
emeni
something close to this
Actually this is probably smarter so you can swap to the haste buff thing in m+
@cunning grail
primal rain
Is ravager and demo shout always used together
modern brook
with booming voice yes
without it Demo is just a defensive
@ionic fern not that it matters to anyone anywhere, but the Icy veins Talent Guide's PVP talent section is out of date by an expansion and a half - It shouldnt reference adaptation anymore, Morale killer is stinky doodoo now that its only a 15s reduction, rebound is more pog.
primal rain
@cursor or @heavy mirage better for ravager
robust rover
anyone that can help me with necro soulbind for raid tanking? recently changed t...
Hey, slightly off-topic question; I'm pretty new to PWarrior. What made you change to necro for raid tanking?
modern brook
@cursor or <@275259884273139712> better for ravager
using @ player macros for aoe-targeted abilities is almost always a mistake. There are plenty of usecases where you'd want to huck a ravager in front of you for example
ie: moving into a new pack
primal rain
So Ravager, then shout is fine?
uneven river
its all situational
modern brook
So Ravager, then shout is fine?
With BV ; both ravager and demo have a 45 second cd and should be used on cd. They will naturally sync becasue of this.
The exact order doesnt really matter
without BV they serve entirely seperate purposes
and your usage of them should not consider one another (although tbh it'll just be on cd again)
vocal geode
any oldschool runescape people in here?
almost maxed
but I am the guy that plays a shit ton for 6 months then quit for 2 years
uneven river
not to mention if your kyrian spear of bastion lines up with it at times to
modern brook
Spear should Roughly line up with a 45s cd in keys, yeah
uneven river
the night fae one aswell i guess not played nf for a while
modern brook
I think the NF one is like
a weird ass 80s cd cause of the conduit
but should still be roughly every other,yeah
only dweebs play NF so i dont know the details tbh
uneven river
true
ivory coral
i did more damage playing with best served cold than booming voice, as kyrian. maybe I'm shit but I don't think booming voice is that strong even combined with spear. It also ruins it as a defensive cd since you want to press it for damage
ivory coral
ah for raid it makes sense
jagged pier
its not as much as BSC seismic
modern brook
I think nom did testing with that
Its not as much as bsc seismic
fuck you jakey
😠
jagged pier
not fast enough
uneven river
fair i dont have siesmic
modern brook
Its not fair i have to cite sources cause im not yellow
jagged pier
KEKW
uneven river
i use elysian in raid to sometimes its pretty solid
jagged pier
its like not a dps increase over rep really unless u have a shit tone of crit
uneven river
i do
modern brook
yeah i mean the nice thing about em is that its value is totally measurable
casue you're only using it for damage
so you can just sim it against your rep
🤷♀️
jagged pier
rep sims about 200 dps less than it should right now
modern brook
Hey, slightly off-topic question; I'm pretty new to PWarrior. What made you ch...
this got ignored: Necro is fine for raid tanking, its also fine for m+ tanking. THe biggest issue is that you need to go glory so you lose access to reprisal
modern brook
rep sims about 200 dps less than it should right now
doesnt intervene/recharge?
jagged pier
it only charges on leap cd atm
modern brook
thats lame
sweet summit
fix it then @modern brook
jagged pier
mwahi was trying somthing
modern brook
whoa whoa
jagged pier
but it is open source so yer fix @modern brook
modern brook
smh fine
anyone got the git
and also the proper way to play reprisal I still play wall :kekw: My nitro 😦
sweet summit
ionic fern
<@!238357283996696576> not that it matters to anyone anywhere, but the Icy vein...
👍
Cheers.
strong forum
Icyveins update
Pvp section - removed 11/10/21
jagged pier
KEKW
ionic fern
Icyveins update
Pvp section - removed 11/10/21
SPOILERS MAN.
strong forum
🔮
modern brook
Bro u can just change the whole thing to 9: PVP Talents lmao and no one will notice but me
modern brook
I feel like im being attacked
modern brook
modern brook
strong forum
You know you love me
teal swift
Hmm, anyone know what the flag to be considered a ranged attack is?
strong forum
Uuuh...
modern brook
You know you love me
yeah you have the drunk dms to prove it
teal swift
Is it anything above a specific range?
modern brook
Hmm, anyone know what the flag to be considered a ranged attack is?
5
it doesnt really matter though
teal swift
Its really unclear
sweet summit
why is that important?
sweet summit
am i missing something?
teal swift
why is that important?
Curiosity
sweet summit
fair
strong forum
Curiosity killed the cat
teal swift
teal swift
Curiosity killed the cat
If I was a cat I could be dead
sweet summit
ah yeah tooltips are very epic and cool in this game
(they suck)
but apparently that trinket owns
modern brook
I'll give that a fat 
strong forum
Thunderclap procs it
But sack is better
Thunderclap apparently counts as ranged ability
sweet summit
ok that's epic
strong forum
So it can always proc stuff like that
strong forum
🍝 idk
teal swift
The range doesn't natter
On the ability
To classify it
As melee or ranged :kekw: in the drood discord mandl and panthea went I to it :)
teal swift
which is probably why it procs ranged shit
Nope
Tclap is a "ground effect"
So it procs random shit
teal swift
Yeah, lots to learn xD
lucid pasture
not sure if it has been hotfixed since then tho <:peepostudy:617259554530656262>
Ye I did use it
And ye it was like a bit worse than sack because thunderclap acted like a ranged ability for some reason
And dont think it was
broken stratus
Is adaptive armor better overall than show of force for damage??
strong forum
They're about equally worthless
But adaptive increases all dmg, so there's less potential loss of not TCing perfectly
broken stratus
i know. just trying to see which one is best of all the trash
ty
would you recommend spear of bastion conduit over those two?
strong forum
By 10 million miles
Yes
It's the only potency that actually makes sense to pick
Besides AJ for raiding
sick sentinel
supposed to be at 77 reknown today right
tender imp
76
sick sentinel
ah, well im at 76 then
strong forum
I get my renown from the ap quest, from weekly dungeon and torghast
Good enough for me
wanton panther
Hello guys, my guild got KT last night so we will start progressing on mythic sylvanas. I was checking the logs and saw a couple of tanks using Dreamweaver for the cheat death Seed.
I am currently Kyrian with Bron, what is the best soulbind for progression ? I bet I should stay Kyrian Bron ?
I wish 9.1.5 was here so I could easily test it out.
modern brook
P sure nf go Dreamweaver for the haste on aa
Kyrian Bron is the look no need to switch
teal swift
Mikanos will save you a lot of money
Over the course of sylv prog
Prolly 50k gold
wanton panther
haha indeed
shut summit
kyrian/mika will be fine yea
more about how you play (defensively) until healers are comfortable with amount of dmg you take, esp in last phase
viscid prairie
in the second boss of plaguefall, am i supposed to be doing anything other than taunting the adds? should i be dragging the boss to any of them in particular or just letting them group to me
sorry second boss of wake*
strong forum
make sure you get the crossbowmen in somehow, or bring the boss to them to cleave them down
same with the mages
those are the highest priority if youre not gonna CC them
viscid prairie
what i usually do is taunt the crossbowman and drag to one of the mages and assume the group will interrupt the second mage or cc it
sick sentinel
i always make mages a priority because its slightly more tricky to deal with magical damage and it can do all kinds of bullshit (magic casters in general)
less times they can cast their bullshit happier i am
you mean necrotic wake and not plaguefall correct?
2nd boss being dragon guy with skeleton adds mages and crossbows guys, probably melee add
primal cape
i usually taunt the warrior because hes the 1st one spawning and he likes to run
as im tanking him on a corner (usually next to goliath), archer and mage spawn at same place and i charge on them
then im trying to taunt the other mage or cc
chilly brook
blazing condor
in the second boss of plaguefall, am i supposed to be doing anything other than ...
If you intend to kill everyone of them then you take Amarth into the corner because it will group up the spwned mobs by themselves
if you pull him all the way into the corner where the goliath/tormentor is it should spawn neatly right around the boss
sick sentinel
for that boss i try to do charge on mage, interupt if possible, and then charge/leap to 2nd add, and then back to boss
perfect world both ranged interupts would get mages and you heroic throw onto mages go stack on xbow
weary kelp
Prot owns.
blazing condor
jagged pier
lime urchin
If only I would own something 😦
minor lion
Hey, what covenant to take in 9.1.5 for main spec tank, off spec arms?
is there a difference because of the aoe changes?
minor lion
Okay, so nothing really important, just choose. Love the Phial
Comes in handy sometimes
modern brook
👍
minor lion
Have it also for my dh and my paladin and I think, I don't wanna loose it. Can jump around anyway ^^
sick sentinel
i'm not sure which 2nd one i'd choose with kyrian, but i want to go venthyr for transmog
sick sentinel
well, if you are kyrian main and you go venthyr 2nd, then swap to NF get reknown tokens for NF and swap back to venth, you keep points for NF
is what that sounds like, i hope, can't see how else that would work
modern brook
u can freely swap
Isn't it gated behind 80 renown
strong forum
*assuming youve done the campaign once on your account
starting at renown 40 comes also with that i think
ionic fern
No you don't.
steel mist
I did my first 19 spires and timed it, overall I thought I would get crushed but I didn't . Only the winged lions were a pain in the ass.
modern brook
I'm going to have to stop by the stupid desk
modern brook
Yeah I mean on the characters I play lmao
strong forum
so far 9.1.5 is still a bit half baked
ionic fern
Wait.
strong forum
they are doing great changes but
ionic fern
CharacterS?? Like PLURAL?
strong forum
theyre still bottom of the barrel changes
strong forum
I did my first 19 spires and timed it, overall I thought I would get crushed but...
grats
ykno what i say to the cats?
modern brook
Pspspspspspspspspspspsp?
steel mist
They need to the changes to be impactful bec I predict an influx of players going to FF bec of endwalker
modern brook
If u can't find it just draw an artist rendition in paint
ancient reef
prot getting any buffs in .5
modern brook
No
steel mist
I found a video saying that the player experience with prot warriors has been somewhat of a disappointment and ranked us somewhat of a lesser simian playerbase due to the mindset of some people thinking the SL prot war is like the bfa one
strong forum
I found a video saying that the player experience with prot warriors has been so...
ya that was in the podcast from Marcelian
strong forum
said be any tank but prot war in .5
what?
every tank is performing perfectly well in all types of content
whoever said "dont be a pwar" is literally just dumb
ancient reef
i just got mine going feels fun to me
steel mist
I mean I did fine overall with a 9% haste on the warrior on a 19
strong forum
stats arent going to stop or allow you doing X content
theyre a nice to have but not mandatory in any way
steel mist
But I felt like I could ask more with the abilities to recharge quickly
strong forum
well yuh, having good haste is defo a good thing
but reprisal makes up ALOT for having low haste
so its not as punishing
steel mist
Big true
strong forum
said be any tank but prot war in .5
this actually makes me so mad
that dumb fucking people out there are STILL saying this bullshit
when it hasnt been true for all of SL, and 3x as untrue since 9.0.5
steel mist
You know how many times I like shield block with heavy repercussions talent in raids since I don't feel like getting hammered at all ,unlike my other co tanks where they get pounded
strong forum
eeeeeh
not a fan of HR
maybe if i was doing 22++
but outside of that you aint catching me play HR
steel mist
I don't know ,I feel naked without it doing higher content
jagged pier
u dont need it in raid
steel mist
Maybe I would go for AM to increase DPS
Afterall I'm playing the NF legendary in raids
dark lark
but i would NEVER play HR in raid
The one fight I run HR is m guardian
strong forum
well
especially on guardian HR is kinda... useless
if anything id want more Shieldwalls
strong forum
Afterall I'm playing the NF legendary in raids
that changes things, but then Bolster would prove more useful
jagged pier
The one fight I run HR is m guardian
he barely melees u
hit me 19 times over the whole fight
strong forum
as HR only really works because of reprisal
because of the already high uptime on SB
urban portal
didnt people run HR+wall
urban portal
what did ppl run in 9.0
sick sentinel
in 9.0 we ran uh...
urban portal
you ran vdh
dark lark
hit me 19 times over the whole fight
Can I see your logs?
sick sentinel
thunder lord and uh devestator, stormbolt, ravager bolster
strong forum
the only fight where you could argue for Bolster was Denathrius
jagged pier
dark lark
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BaDHZd73QtAqMjzy#fight=last&source=10&type=...
That's because your Brewmaster held it majority of the time lol
Is that a strategy you guys decided?
jagged pier
what about the first pull where i had 88% and had it most of the time
strong forum
why would you go through the hassle of sweating your ass off to get maximum block uptime, when you can just tank swap lol
dark lark
Is it his swing timer
strong forum
he just casts alot of shit
sentry, that dodge thingy
bombs
literally sludge 2.0
but without pushbacks for free charges
ocean yoke
more shield walls was 10x more helpful than a very small block% uptime increase
wooden radish
ionic fern
sick sentinel
do i require to complete the quest for HM taza for someone to activate it, don't think i want to run 5 more keys from now until reset
strong forum
No, only 1 person that can activate HM is needed
sick sentinel
only thing im even remotely scared of in that is mail room
strong forum
Mail room is omega easy lol
Just kill boss
Don't need to do any mechanics
Just burn the boss with hero
Done
Go 4 dps 1 tank or 5 dps
And just burn boss
oblique garnet
@sullen valve mistweaver sux
ionic fern
Woah. Don't talk smack about my 5% physical damage buff.
ionic fern
(and lincoln but he is a pally)
Still Prot.
sweet summit
now i'm sad
sullen valve
He might still be prot but he isn't in the warrior group soe he isn't in the bitch group
I'll draw a venn diagram
oblique garnet
My hatred towards monk is almost as bad as it is towards holy paladins
sullen valve
But your hatred of me isn't like that right uwu
oblique garnet
I dont like chocolate
sullen valve
Who said they are for you and not for you to use to impress someone else
I'm giving you the tools to better your relations with others
No
sullen valve
Think about it
A person who really cares about you will get you something to put you in a position to win
oblique garnet
Doesnt work like that here
blazing dune
You're all bitches besides late and Mwahi
:(
oblique garnet
Vel doesnt even play warrior
blazing dune
I have once upon a time specced protection yes
sullen valve
Vel
blazing dune
Varimathras bitch duty gang
ionic fern
😂
sullen valve
You're different
You're like mwahi but with hair
So amazing
and perfect
and not bald
oblique garnet
🤔
ionic fern
Real smooth.
sullen valve
Just like your head
ionic fern
True
sullen valve
Very well polished
ionic fern
Very well polished
Like this?
sullen valve
I was thinking more like the other photo mwahi
sick sentinel
what do we do now
brittle flume
Doing 15 keys okay as prot, but I am struggle bussing on best method for pathing. Anyone got tips for improvement?
blazing condor
as in routes?
My tip is to try and make your own routes but that may be hard if you dont know much. You can always take dratnos' routes from raider.io and look at those
dim token
Dratnos 😨
My guildie used to copy his route but some of them didn’t make much sense imo
gloomy cradle
Making your own is an excellent way to develop a good mental image of the dungeons though since your forced to pay attention to what each pack can do
Then use streams, dratnos to draw some inspiration
sick sentinel
Guys would like to have your opinion on my gear/stats
Like is or worth going seismic with this instead of reprisal
silk edge
It’s a good starting point if you need it but making them with streams and own xp is much better
If you dont plan on doing harder content then why not but anything else than farming i’d stick with reprisal
sick sentinel
For now doing hc SoD probably myth soon and tanking 15/16 keys (still pugging healers )
modern brook
Guys would like to have your opinion on my gear/stats
Like is or worth going se...
You don't go seismic because of a gear poijt
You go siemsic cause u want to top meters in Keys that don't matter
So if 15/16 are prog for you
Then no stay reprisal
If they're joke keys
Go siesmic
brave jetty
Even on meme keys I try to avoid Seismic on tyrannical weeks
It just feels too lame to me to get absolutely nothing out of my leggo on single target
dim token
i just use EM on weekly 15 farms
sick sentinel
Main meme key I can think of has to be necrotic wake
Seems really hard to throw that key
teal swift
Seems really hard to throw that key
I find plaguefsll much easier
quiet crane
Just run reprisal
I wouldn’t even consider thinking about any other option other then possible the wall under niche circumstances like mythic sylvanas until you learn the class inside and out and what hurts and what doesn’t
urban portal
Seems really hard to throw that key
Definitely throwable
I've thrown my fair share of nw 16s
urban portal
The thing about nw is that if you miss a weapon usage (fuck it up on a boss and wipe) then the key is done
Obviously it's hard to do that but def possible
ancient reef
anyone got link to druid discord
brittle owl
old siren
I am new to tanking and i get stuck at +11-13 keys. Probally not doing the routes the proper way. Amy tips or guys to follow on YouTube or twitch?
urban portal
is it the routes, your survival, or something else?
old siren
@urban portal i think 70 % route 30 % survival
urban portal
for routes you can just look some routes up
or get a guild tank to walk you through it if you know someone
if its survival then learn the rotations and such
hollow snow
I am new to tanking and i get stuck at +11-13 keys. Probally not doing the route...
What do feel the issue with your routing is? Do you go over %? Downtime between pulls?
old siren
@hollow snow mostly i get the bigger keys then mention done but always out of time , there is always 1 wipe or some one saying me to pull more. but if i pull more i dont have the feeling i can hold the agro from every one (specially the casters) and feel squisy
hollow snow
It sounds like it’s more the rotation/defensive usage than the route. You could check out Plka (with an L) on YouTube. I also noticed that the dps in general are a lot worse at that range than when you get to 15s
old siren
cool thanks guys
faint iron
If you feel the route is wierd have a look at mythic dungeon tool (addon) together with the route from raider.io (example https://raider.io/news/295-the-weekly-route-fortified-inspiring-grievous-and-tormented) that can be downloaded. Its a good starting point if you are unsure!
jagged pier
@old siren sounds like its a rotation issue if you are struggling in thos keys, yes 11-13 pugs suck but playing correctly you should be able to carry. Best advice i can give is get some logs or record yourself (make is unlisted) and post them here or just send them to me and I can look at whats going on and where the issues are
steel mist
@old siren if you follow pikatv on twitch there will be a link to his discord and he has some good routes that are pug friendly
teal swift
Pugging tazavesh HM and teaching 2-4 people... Is harder than ksm by far.
patent osprey
wanton panther
Guys would like to have your opinion on my gear/stats
Like is or worth going se...
Try to pump your versa to min 20%. 7% is too low for high keys. You can do that with gems/enchants and optimised gear. Soulfrayer belt, better rings, like stichflesh and ritual bone band, those rings have shit tons of versa. Also you can try and get the pvp neck that has the best versa in the game but needs 2100 rating for the max rank one.
Trinkets are super good, for m+ you can go for double bubble trinkets, hakkar one and Aegis one. For the cloak try to get the one from PF, Blighted Margrave's Cloak its the best versa/haste cloak in the game along with the mythic one from Guardian. For hands I dont know if yours are from painsmith but those are the best ones and ofc shoulders from sylvanas!
And I think you are using The Wall legendary, that is ok for raiding but for m+ its better to get the Reprisal in Legs. Legs have more stats than cloak so with PF cloak and lege legs you will have a lot more stats. And you can use Reprisal lege for all content, its really great.
jagged pier
Try to pump your versa to min 20%. 7% is too low for high keys. You can do that ...
Vers means nothing i run seismic with like 7% vers perfectly fine, suriviability is all about play not stats
Also rep is better for raid than the wall
lime urchin
Equip a shield and use it instead of this jibber jabber about vers.
wanton panther
Its not jibber jabber but ok. This was my suggestion for Tolluck. By definition with 20% versa you take 10% less damage. I prefer to take 10% less damage and do less dps. Its all about if you want to help your healer or you want to see your big peepee in the meters.
blazing condor
bringing up vers in here is pretty dangerous
mostly because it's overhyped to no end
and your survival is 99% playstyle
wanton panther
I am sure all the big tanks that have 25% versa know something more than me.
blazing condor
and the situations where vers actually could matter - you dont find anyone here doing that content
wanton panther
bringing up vers in here is pretty dangerous
Yea because people rage if someone says something they dont believe in. Its the internet toxicity, I know and I dont care. As I said, it was my suggestion, the player can experience everything and play with his style.
blazing condor
i think people are just jaded in general over Vers as a buzzword
because people who praise vers dont know what they're talking about
not to say vers is bad
but its way overhyped
plka is running 13% vers right now and last patch you had nerf running 24s with like 7% vers
10% DR is nice but its not gonna be decisive to your survival
jagged pier
Plka was doing 24s and 25s this season in like 5% vers at the start
blazing condor
also that
wanton panther
yea but not everyone has the skills of Pika, or Naowh or any other big boy tank. As you guys said, skills matter not stats. So what happens if you are not that skilled ? You die 🙂 So getting more versa helps you with that.
I started healing with my druid and I pugged a 15 key once with a warrior that had more versa than haste. His Occular even gave him versa. I am not saying that this is correct but the dude didnt take a single dmg, I wasnt healing him for minutes. He did 4-5 packs on forti and his health didnt drop below 90%.
wanton panther
yea but his ilvl was for a 15, he had 230 or something.
jagged pier
Great thats fine for 15s
I was doing 20s with around rhe same
And still taking very little damage because i was playing correctly
Like he probably was
wanton panther
For MDI and pushing for world first tank, yes go with 5% versa and 35% crit that's fine. But for casuals (like me ofc) getting versa benefits everyone.
I like to face tank, I dont like to kite, so I max my defensives and I face tank even on high keys as much as I can.
ivory coral
I face tank a lot in 23s with 8% vers
jagged pier
Proper play will help every far more than stats u are over valuing stats far too much
blazing condor
better to just pratice playing without training wheels
jagged pier
Andy doing it again
ivory coral
I miss andyclap, this lonecrusader has some weird class color
strong forum
It's overvalued, if you can get it, great, but don't ride its dick thinking its the end all be all of stats and outweighs other stats by a significant margin
It should be a forgotten meme of bfa s4
But people keep bringing it up thinking it makes a difference
dusky mica
Imagine you could change your gear to suit the dungeon
strong forum
Imagine if you could change your gear to suit each individual pull...
Now THAT would be fun
"oh big pull coming up, I go defensive"
"boss coming up I go st dmg"
dusky mica
Nah that sucked
blazing condor
strong forum
Fuck no
That was amazing
Yeah lemme just use trinkets that offer literally nothing for this entire pull yey
jagged pier
Imagine if you could change your gear to suit each individual pull...
Them were the times
Equip prydaz
Unequip prydaz
mellow bridge
Tbf I don't think the Andy argument is very good
He doesn't have a lot of vers.. But he has a lot of mastery which is basically the same thing as vers for pallys
And is afaik better when looking at point by point value
strong forum
sssshhh
sick sentinel
Try to pump your versa to min 20%. 7% is too low for high keys. You can do that ...
Dont get me wrong this was just a try put from last night usually i run 25% vers with scale and dmg trink and reprisal
This would be a good setup (last night’s setup) with a steady group and a healer who knows their class
Was out performing alot of pulls dps wise so yeah i can see this ‘build’ happen but only in coordinated groups
obsidian girder
Hey guys, due to wow analyzer I miss a lot of thunderclaps - still got 80-90 logs.
How concerned should I in terms of clapping raid bosses.
jagged pier
Wow analyzer KEKW
strong forum
It's not up to date afaik, and you shouldn't really be concerned, it often counts even the slightest downtime as "time you should be using thunderclap"
Even when I had top 10 logs it told me "yo you ain't clapping enough bruh"
that being said
Getting 80-90 logs just means you are doing the basic rotation correctly
Most tanks have NO fucking idea how to press buttons
obsidian girder
Good :-) so stay calm
blazing condor
Does TCing on cd net more dps due to rage gain? compared to using the GCD on revenj
over the term of a fight
primal cape
blazing condor
ye
strong forum
There are only so few situations where you prioritise using revenge
Mostly during ravager
As long as you don't cap rage, it's not wasted to press TC then revenge
Only when the fight is about to end and you can't throw in another revenge
Or in that case, execute
strong forum
Your TC casts should be around 8+ cpm
obsidian girder
In damage done
strong forum
Well on dmg meter TC will barely show up
blazing condor
you TC for the rage
strong forum
obsidian girder
Fight ?
strong forum
This is what it should somewhat look like in m+
obsidian girder
Oh okay I talk about raid
jagged pier
I literally pressed buttons on guardian last jight first time there and got rank 11
Just press buttons
blazing condor
yes
blazing condor
how many mythic sylvanas kills do prot warrs have
strong forum
Like 40?
gaunt dawn
at least 1
obsidian girder
Okay
jagged pier
Execute damage is low and no blood link?
strong forum
Iike how all your stuff does more dmg than mine
Ya execute is quite low
Looks like unholy set to me
obsidian girder
Execute damage is low and no blood link?
Fight got chaotic at the end
strong forum
Given his siphon essence
obsidian girder
And yeah I come from arms
Leaving players lead to going mt
No bloodlink yet
(not leveled yet)
strong forum
Did you have an enha shaman?
obsidian girder
Yes sir
blazing condor
strong forum
Yeah figured
blazing condor
this is my old guardian
strong forum
That melee dps seemed very high
blazing condor
my bloodlink on that fight did 900dps
strong forum
R3 bloodlink supposedly beats r5 unholy
r5 bloodlink should do like 800-1k dps
By itself
Mine is only r4 cuz I barely raid
blazing condor
obsidian girder
So I will prioritize pumping red gems
jagged pier
Tbh if u get a proc of unholy during execute with 8 stacks of ashen that pretty big
strong forum
Defo
jagged pier
And tbf that guardian fight last night i had 90% crit with execute, i have 13 base so i got some luck
strong forum
Big rng
strong forum
Not if you're a venthyr guardian that stacks crit
100% crit chance
Going ham with that frost set
blazing condor
I have a life tyvm
sick sentinel
i did every boss but soleah last night, normal, we were just fucking up in general and everyone was tired priest healer was 209
everything up to the 3 bosses on a set timer boss was gravy, first time i went through, we did all the bosses no cheeses and there was like no issues besides we wiped on mail room once,
This run wiped to alphabet boss cuz not sure how to read the notes (couldn't see them?) and bit on dragon with positioning breath cuz KB, know that ones just keep her at edge of circle and turn in tho
final was i was tired and got the projectile orb p1 confused with the soak thing, we got it to p2 though and we all gave up
blazing condor
nothing like out-performing your dps main friend when you off spec to arms
then again arms is pretty busted
but he's a ww monk so he is too
sick sentinel
i can just run right in and teleport to final boss section right now if i want and kill trash then her right?
saved to all but last
strong forum
No clue I've never done the entire thing
Only the bosses necessary to kill HM mail boss for sack
sick sentinel
i dunno if hm is other transmogs, but i want the shield with blue gem in it
matches one i've made
got the blue light saber last night and gloves
sick sentinel
back in days when rune 2 hand sword was legit un-disuptable king of weapons
i was there
sick sentinel
actual literal bis
blazing condor
as a ko wep
sick sentinel
i was there
blazing condor
f2p PKing is still booming
sick sentinel
it was so much better than anything you could get and it had rune in the name ore from mining and only 99 smithing could make it
had to be turbo neckbeard to do that back that
why it was good cuz it had massive max damage and in those times you were locked to combat for 3 rounds, 3 shot someone if you connect
strong forum
Is this some kind of runescape that I'm too wow to understand
blazing condor
yes
sick sentinel
you've never had your axe blade come off and had to go retrieve it and put it back on?
blazing condor
back when random events actually killed tyou
sick sentinel
nah fam this was before random events
sick sentinel
this was, if you mined too much ore you got tired and had to click a sleeping bag and type a captcha
blazing condor
i think....?
think ive done it before
but maybe depends on how close they are to you when you jump
autumn pendant
Like Monk´s RoP
strong forum
Just get a bonk an fall over
autumn pendant
in pvp
sweet summit
pvp
autumn pendant
PvP is where skills come to shine
mellow bridge
thanks nome
modern brook
It'll stop you midway
Did u jump first?
strong forum
Probably
I usually jump when I heroic leap
And I jump when i stand still
I jump when i run
I jump when i jump
Spacebar is my most pressed button
mellow bridge
252 shield for sure 
blazing condor
252 
sick sentinel
watch its true tho lol
ionic fern
modern brook
I usually jump when I heroic leap
I only ask cause every time "does leap work here" controversy come up the answer is "u gotta leap while airborne "
modern brook
I always forget how much I hate your ui
modern brook
You say it like that's not infuriating
sick sentinel
i don't really understand how you need specfiic addons just to remove the griphons art say
why you can't just move parts of ui around without addon
blazing condor
yeah tbh nothing wrong with that
gray holly
You can leap over chain players. Don't do it when you're too close though, you'll get bonked. Otherwise you can leap through them and position yourself for the inc hammer
mystic warren
can you leap over chain players on painsmith?
definitely can if you jump before you leap and have somewhat of a distance between you and them (like 10+yd?), never failed for me on any of my progress pulls. Can't say anything about it working if you don't jump first
ionic fern
Are ...we meta?
strong forum
prolly just battleshout
jagged pier
sick sentinel
post results
modern brook
What level of dweeb yoy gotta be to not only play hunter in wow, but reference elder scroll lore while playing hunter in wow smh
strong forum
nop
sick sentinel
kliea for 2nd week in a row i guess
strong forum
unless 9.1.5 releases today
ancient monolith
is the necrotic nerf live now
what nerf?
sick sentinel
they nerfed how long it lasts total and how fast it can be applied
jagged pier
Wait ppl actually care about that, i though necro was a nothing affix
As we are like the best tank outside of incarn for it
And kyrian can just clear it
modern brook
Wait ppl actually care about that, i though necro was a nothing affix
It is a nothing affix but tanks are cowards
jagged pier
modern brook
ionic fern
post results
Of what? 👀
modern brook
Movement speed
I think
But like you don't need it you just leaped away
Strides benefit is the lower cd. Which you also shouldn't really need in the same way that rumbling earth rarely gets value
strong forum
post death log
ionic fern
modern brook
No hunter lives through a whole key
stray hemlock
@modern brook so true.
ionic fern
Hey, i was as surprised as you are.
sweet summit
fake
modern brook
Likely how it scans the log
outer copper
Are ...we meta?
Always! ❤️
wild hemlock
what nerf?
dropping to 6 sec duration
sick sentinel
Of what? 👀
+17 "warrior tank preffered" group
iron ravine
yo quick question, i'm lacking haste due to bad luck gearing. Is it perfectly fine to use Into The Fray for m+ instead of ravager? or should i stick with ravager? i have no issues tanking with either talents but would like some input
sweet summit
ravager is too good to pass out on in keys
high rage gen, decent damage on a short cd
iron ravine
alright i'll stick with ravager then, thank you =]
sick sentinel
ravager moves (slowly) to the things you attack nearby too
iron forum
yo quick question, i'm lacking haste due to bad luck gearing. Is it perfectly fi...
I find both good, I swap between them based off the key. If I need snap threat in the group or am going to be doing a lot of kiting I run ravager, otherwise into the fray. They both have very similar overall DMG and rage gen, into the fray is a bit more DMG on ST, and gives you a higher constant state of rage gen while ravager gives you spikier rage gen.
autumn pendant
fake news
autumn pendant
ravager is too good to pass out on in keys
If this was BFA i would be really worried about you
strong forum
👋
distant crystal
i didn't do 4 dungeons on any chars last week
even my trap mage and warlock that really need gear
strong forum
need is a strong word
teal swift
need is a strong word
Is is a strong word. However strong is also a strong word. But word is just a word. So is a.
plush tendon
strong is the most strong word I can think of
teal swift
Most is a stronger word.
strong forum
Plethora
teal swift
Thinking of the strongest word... Wendigo is a good word.
Urethra is an interesting word too, not the meaning but the way it sounds.
strong forum
trombone
strong forum
XERTZ
strong forum
:nurse:
To make it simple, the word nudiustertian refers to two days ago (that is to say the day before yesterday). Unfortunately, it has fallen into disuse, although it is far more melodious than the day before yesterday.
teal swift
A group of racoons
A group of developmentally challenged people is called a garden.
strong forum
hol up
teal swift
Rude
;-;
I knew a warrior named Jakey once
He transfered to atiesh and poofed the next week LOL
God classic was cringe
teal swift
I'm just mediocrity incarnate
mellow gorge
is going from a bis high haste low mastery to a +13ilvl high mastery low haste neck worth it?
mellow gorge
I'd go down from 30 to 27% haste, and 27 to 32% mastery
strong forum
That's fine then
thorn ether
Hello friends , for m+ high keys what's the stat prio ?
mellow bridge
ilvl > haste > vers
primal cape
full crit + seismic
mellow bridge
doesnt really matter
thorn ether
I suppose in keys like plaguefall
versa is like the best stat
considering the magic dmg going on there
mellow bridge
99% of your survivability will come from good gameplay
a bit more vers wont save in you pf if you dont rotate your shit properly
I did 25 pf this week with 12% vers
thorn ether
Brother i died through shield wall in a 21 pf when 4 plagueborrers casted me wreched phlegm at the same time
i am also 233 though
😄
primal cape
healer please heal
mellow bridge
then the correct play is to not let 4 of them cast at the same time :)
unless you have SR for the quadra reflect
desyncing dmg intake is a very important part of surviving higher keys
no matter how insane your healer is, if you get oneshot he cant do anything
sweet summit
it is extremely potent for raw damage output on 3 or more targets
it works with revenge too, not just whirlwind if that's why you were confused
sick sentinel
so, for those that are kyrian will you be swapping to NF, and same for NF to kyrian, or are the people who intend to go another thing
because i know those are the 2 most chosen currently
oh, its not so bad i promise
yeah so you can go splat to spiteful ghosts?
i mean, probably already happeing as prot
sick sentinel
be nice still to try it i guess
balmy coral
For max damage, I have the following trinkets, this is for a heroic reclear
sweet summit
(you can sim for dps)
balmy coral
233 OWS, 252 OPC, 239 Reactive, 239 decanter
sweet summit
gonna guess opc and rdm
worn oyster
Is there a haste cap where I should look for other stats? Ive got about 850 haste / 26ish%, I could pretty easily keep going up but a lot of prots I see in logs sit around that value
I mainly do M+ on my warrior, not raid
the wowhead guide didnt seem to comment on any kind of cap
mellow bridge
Haste is good until you get to 40% before itf
But that amount is pretty unrealistic
worn oyster
I dont run ITF for M+ though
mellow bridge
Yeah you shouldn't
Just wanted to clarify that ITF doesn't count for the cap on case you run that
E.g. in raid
sick sentinel
I kind of what would happen if some prot warrior stacked mastery versa, glory prolly
balmy coral
gonna guess opc and rdm <:peepostudy:617259554530656262>
OPC+OWS simmed the highest, broke my Eye (5.1k) and Nine (6.3k) records
modern brook
ancient reef
how much am i hurting myself not using reprisal
modern brook
how much am i hurting myself not using reprisal
reprisal is generally competative with pure damage legendaries while providing the best overall defensive gain on fights with blockable damage
onyx vessel
when your raid leader whos prot tank doesnt use inspiring and uses cooldown off on shockwave
old flame
What are you using instead wolfsbayne?
onyx vessel
ancient reef
the wall, i dont have the recipe yet for reprisal
strong forum
Reprisal is literally too good to pass up
Insane rage
Insage SB uptime
Very good dmg
Besides UFR its prolly the strongest legendary among all legendaries of all classes
lofty widget
is arachnid any good in this case? i can add a socket to it
strong forum
No, the sockets outweigh it
If you can slap a socket on arachnid ring, then it's better than the nine ring
steel mist
guys is rings ilvl important or just the stats
strong forum
Depends on how much ilvl
steel mist
bec right now i have a crit vers ring 246 and on the vault i got a 252 haste masstery one
strong forum
You can drop like 12ilvl on rings for better stats
strong forum
bec right now i have a crit vers ring 246 and on the vault i got a 252 haste mas...
But that haste ring is better than your crit/vers ring and higher ilvl, so there's literally nothing lost?
steel mist
thing is that it will give me a bunhc of mastery
hold on
so these are my options so far
steel mist
ummm i have not played fury or arms before
jagged pier
then why open in arms
blazing condor
u got a whole ass jaithys in there
jagged pier
do u have aegis and matrix?
jagged pier
so u should be opening in prot
as aegis and matrix are better than scale
even at 239
steel mist
oh really
steel mist
so should i get jaithys
jagged pier
if u arent gunna play arms or fury take tokens tbh
urban portal
If you aren't gonna play dps
jagged pier
ionic plank
Isnt viscera a tank only
Viscera can drop for dps
urban portal
I guess I just mentally blocked it from my mind
ionic plank
understandable
strong forum
Isnt viscera a tank only
No
royal coral
outta curiousity, are there any good resources for getting started with tanking M+? I'm tryin to do more than just heal / dps for once, and figured I'd re-gear my fury a bit for lols / coverage
am fury player, smooth brain follows-tank-presses-bladestorm, so it's a bit weird looking into routing etc.
Like, from following people around I've got a general idea of what to pull / where as well as % breakpoints before finishing off keys, but I'm trying not to be that braindead tank in queue who's there as offspec for ez invites
blazing condor
i mean MDT is a great resource to just get a good grip of the dungeons in general and look at what specific mobs do
otherwise there's not really any specific resource for us just for tanking
you got this place and youtube guides probably
royal coral
ye, there's a shit ton of good information between this and mdt
just don't wanna be slack getting into things
blazing condor
for dungeons i'd say just get a lot of experience - put your mind into looking into what packs do and what they cast
for protection warrior questions you can look up Plka's guide on youtube or just ask us
blazing condor
gl:)
jagged pier
what key levels are u going to do?
royal coral
I'mma probably stop at doing ~15s
jagged pier
u dont need to route them
royal coral
starting low tho
jagged pier
u literally press w
royal coral
o.o!!
blazing condor
As in, dont overthink it because at that level its gonna be fine either way
it's still good to learn the dungeons and at least get a hunch of how you wanna pull it
imo
blazing condor
but as you say
youve played dps a lot
so you at least know ish how to pull
you dont really need to think more than that
strong forum
Most of my keys I just press W, fuck fancy routing for low keys
jagged pier
☝️
blazing condor
fancy is overrated
take mists tho you'd probably still want to skip the 2nd pack like always
not needed
but
ivory coral
Just don't pull more than 2 obliterators at once in halls and any route is fine