protection

[jagged pier]

the fang gives around 10% and this week its not a bad choice because of greivous

[dusky canopy]

True true and if I swap off avoidance cloak to a leech cloak with fang power that'd put me around 22% leech if fangs giving 10% LOL

Well and swapping in the shard

[sick sentinel]

large giant mobs will back up to get in melee range to hit you if you are too much in the hit box

[balmy coral]

I have a 233 OWS, 239 Aegis and 239 matrix, which 2 for M+? Which 2 for Raiding

[obtuse monolith]

Depends on level of content tbh. Max damage in raid you’d prioritize matrix and OWS (or DPS trinkets) and keep Aegis in bag, but if you’re doing anything that hurts like Sylv you can skip OWS and put Aegis on, run double D.

M+ Aegis is amazing, but if you’re doing a key level that’s not scary to you at all, you can shake things up. Or keep Aegis and pull bigger

[balmy coral]

I was thinking aegis+matrix in M+

[ivory coral]

That's a very nice combo

Ows is also very good though

[dreamy wedge]

How good is Matrix in M+? I just got a 239 from the weekly and I was using a 239 Aegis with a 246 Phial

[tame jasper]

in fortified i run aegis and matrix, in tyra i ran ows and aegis. in raiding i use scale and ows or alar (except silvannas where I use aegis and ows or alar)

[minor hazel]

Sorry if this has already been covered before, but doing some cross-spec Prot now to help out guild...in terms of Raid + M+ what is the best overall Leg/memory combo for a 262 craft? Thanks in advance.

[balmy coral]

98% of the time reprisal, for Guardian solo soaking and Syl prog, The Wall

[jagged pier]

Guardian is a reprisal fight

[gaunt dawn]

depends on how you do guardian

e.g. our strat for guardian is to just have 1 tank on the boss

and the other tank taunts for oblit/sunder

keeps damage predictable and all beacons on 1 tank

[amber kelp]

Is shield wall + spell reflection enough to survive a solo soak obliterate+sunder ? :)

[gaunt dawn]

ye

but obv depends on your gear right

if you're super low ilvl, it wont be

and you'd probs want to add demo shout for safety

or some IP pooling

mythic oblit will do like 50-60k with wall + reflect

and the sunder like another 15-20k (shield block)

there we go

[amber kelp]

Thanks Alot :) need to try that next week ^^

[versed wasp]

Can prot solo soak obliterate

[ionic fern]

Literally 2 messages up.

[versed wasp]

my messages werent loading so thought id send that through

thanks

[wooden radish]

@ionic fern can I solo soak obliterate with just spell reflect?

[orchid frigate]

is it common to nuke down the miniboss before last boss in HoA with BL?

[ionic fern]

First time i hear about it.

[lime urchin]

Perhaps on very high fort keys?

[orchid frigate]

this was my first +10 as healer 🙂

im undercover in order to see what other tanks do

[ionic fern]

Oh that's horrible.

Especially in the +10 area.

[orchid frigate]

😦

[sweet summit]

on tyran weeks (or with cracked comp) we often do that. but we never commit lust to it

by cracked comp i mean no rats getting carried

[orchid frigate]

ok

[blazing condor]

is there any good fast ways to catch up on shards now this late into raid?

or is it just do SoD

and prayge

[gaunt dawn]

make sure you do the raid each week

should have em all in like 3 weeks

😦

[blazing condor]

yeah thought so

have a returning friend who's tryna gear

[hasty cedar]

and do sylv at least in lfr that is i think 100% drop a dom shard

[minor hazel]

👍🏼

[plush tendon]

make sure he gets a Sylv kill each week

guaranteed to get one there. You can also get leach one from World boss. From there RNG, but then the big thing is getting dom sockets+embers which all just takes time

[gaunt dawn]

doesnt matter what difficulty you do for shards

but it does for embers (currency to upgrade)

[plush tendon]

Embers are da worst

you need like 300 to get a full set at rank 5

[sweet summit]

that's only 30 weeks of korthia weekly

[plush tendon]

[gaunt dawn]

Thats only 1 hour per week!

(for 30 weeks)

are you saying you dont have 1hr?

in an entire week?!

[plush tendon]

I dont

Thats time I need to use for my lap practice in oribos

But I only need two more solid days of Korthia before rank 6 and no more suffering

[gaunt dawn]

imagine being rank 6

🙂

i hit rank 5 recently

[sweet summit]

slackers...

[jagged pier]

i got rank 6 yesterday

never have to go back

[sweet summit]

[jagged pier]

u know my gear erga had enough to socket the pieces and get all conduits

[sweet summit]

[plush tendon]

Ill get my conduits... maybe some sockets.... and then I can raid/M+ log

like a true gamer

[jagged pier]

literally what im doing now

[plush tendon]

and instead, work on my league flex ranking

[sweet summit]

oh no...

[jagged pier]

finally getting round to finishing pokemon pearl before the remakes come out because i never actually finished it when i was a young man

:C

[plush tendon]

Pearl was fun

[sweet summit]

not playing platinum

[plush tendon]

better have chosen Turtwig

[plush tendon]

they basically the same

Plat is like... the 2.0 version

[jagged pier]

okay i found pearl and my ds in a draw the other day

i didnt get plat okay

[sweet summit]

[plush tendon]

next you got to play the best pokemon game ever... Emerald

[jagged pier]

i had that

but i have to admit i prefered oras

[plush tendon]

though was big fan of the cube games of XD and Colosseum

[plush tendon]

[jagged pier]

and i am an old guy i am a gen 1'er

[plush tendon]

I played Soulsilver, which wasnt half bad

for a reboot

[jagged pier]

soulsiver and heart gold were better than the original

but i prefer gen 1 over the remakes for some reason

[plush tendon]

Nostalgia

[jagged pier]

yes its that exactly

[plush tendon]

Gameboy advance, with your light, sitting in the car traveling with your family

[jagged pier]

gbc with the light in the car

or playing by street lights as u pass them

[plush tendon]

Gameboy Advanced SP changed the game

built-in light

so fancy

[jagged pier]

I didnt get that already had the gbc 😦

[plush tendon]

and it flipped open like a razor

[jagged pier]

didnt get anything till the dS

[plush tendon]

The DS was a solid gaming device

[jagged pier]

my original one still works even tho i dropped it and a bit of the casing came off 👀

[plush tendon]

same

[halcyon shard]

broke my GBC because mom ran over it when we were camping by accident

[jagged pier]

😮

[plush tendon]

may be bruised and beaten, but my DS lit is still running some how

[halcyon shard]

Thus leading to an addiction to LEGO building so fuck you mom

[plush tendon]

If legos didnt cost more then a mortgage for a family home, I may get some

[halcyon shard]

I member sneaking into my brothers room to play san andreas kek

[blazing condor]

lego deez nuts

[jagged pier]

now i have the money i have to refrain from buying lego, as i dont have the time to build it

[plush tendon]

Current lego prices are insane

[halcyon shard]

Same

also fuck the prices

I wanted to get an architecht one

mothafucka was 200 bucks

for a small set

[plush tendon]

a lego that cost you $20 back in the early 2000s goes for $160 bucks now

[halcyon shard]

now I look at replica Lego ngl

[plush tendon]

at least you can download the instructions online

but all my sets got destroyed when we moved while I was at college... the only one to survive was the Millennium Falcon

[jagged pier]

thats the only one that matter

[plush tendon]

maybe now that im not in Korthia.... I may be able to organize the legos and rebuild my childhood

[jagged pier]

DO IT

[plush tendon]

you say that, but your boi had a original Republic Gunship

[jagged pier]

😮

okay thats

[plush tendon]

I had all the Star Wars Legos XD

All in taters

[halcyon shard]

Same

Sold it for a PS3 and a fuckton of games

half worth

[plush tendon]

I learned a valuable lesson from that day... open the box carefully and save the instructions

dont just rip into it like a crazed lion

[sweet summit]

it's just too easy

[wild pecan]

O_O

[plush tendon]

actually.... kind of impressive

[jagged pier]

[sweet summit]

[strong forum]

Just die alot

[plush tendon]

the mental fortitude

to die that much and still finish

[blazing condor]

Man’s going for the bronze vaults

[orchid frigate]

the bron vaults

where bron rules as a king

[jovial mesa]

surely you mean bron cena

[hushed zealot]

I might be finally able to live my shadowlands dream! Going prot for my guild wooo

Arms is nice but I’d much rather tank

[sweet summit]

[sick sentinel]

it can be very infuriating

because its pretty much as simple as gain rage, dump rage, use shield block, use shield slam, thats the entire rotatiion right

and then you don't put up block, and you die, and those parts are horrible

[orchid frigate]

what combo of these would you recon is best for m+? old warriors soul/aegis/reactive defense matrix

[sick sentinel]

this is you without shield block

[orchid frigate]

just got old warriors soul so havent had chance to test it out

[sweet summit]

ows matrix damage
aegis matrix defense

[orchid frigate]

goodie

will put ows into my seismic set 🙂

[stray hemlock]

My sims show 252 spare hook trinket is more dps then 246 ows. Is that right? Or is this a sim error? Herodamage shows it other way around. I'm using 252 phial as my other dps trinket and basically just trying to chad heroic parses as best as I can as a necrolord.

For heroic raid dps. I know ows is better for m+ since I know ows is better then spare meat hook.

[ionic fern]

What's Herodamage?

[strong forum]

its bloodmallet

but different

[ionic fern]

Oh - similar to bloodmallet.
These 2 are running the default profile + talents etc.
SIMC is specialized according to your character.

[strong forum]

if you actually sim, its 100x more accurate than a generic spreadsheet by bloodmallet or herodamage

so it is factual that hook is more dmg than ows, especially as tank raw dmg trinkets usually outperform stat gain trinkets in ST

[obtuse monolith]

OWS does have defensive benefit from the haste too, not just offensive fwiw. Even something like OPC gets you extra parry for that 15 secs.

Meat hook, SFA, Phial only give damage, which is good too, but might not be that much more damage than something that helps both

[blazing condor]

With seismic build i play OPC but otherwise i play Aegis - if i dont want to have to switch my abilities around would the best fix be to make a /use 17 (or whatever it is) macro?

[blazing condor]

too bad i cant have two tooltips

[jade radish]

You can have variable tooltip if you write it into a macro. Just a showtooltip followed by use 17 or whatever works

[blazing condor]

ah yeah i guess thats true

[jade radish]

Easy way to make sure you have raid vs PvP vs key gear on lol. That’s what I do anyways

And if you end up with 2 proc trinkets it just shows you the trinket so it doesn’t turn into an ugly ? On your bars

[jagged pier]

i just uses the ingame feature for gear sets

[blazing condor]

same

but rn i have to switch out on my action bars

for aegis / opc

so imma fix that

[stray hemlock]

I definitely need to get tickling sack. Just haven't bothered running tazavesh with my limited playtime.

[sweet summit]

classic style deja

[blazing condor]

^

with a non-classic race

looking like a whole ass PS

[teal swift]

I wish I had a ranged alot

[shell hill]

can anyone help me understand why i'm getting my cheeks clapped in halls? it seems like i cant survive even doing the standard pulls in first trash area. i'm guessing its all the magic dmg?

[lofty widget]

wicked bolts and gorgon bleeds will do that to you

[shell hill]

like i can't even do a 15. first pull with lust goes fine, then i pull the double pack and its rough, then 1st shard pack and thats even rougher. are you guys running mikanikos for keys?

[jovial mesa]

which leggo are you playing ?

[gaunt dawn]

I mean

You're doing a fort 15

Clearly not comfortable

Going from lust pull with all CDs into a double with none

That's on you fam

Just pull lighter. You wont deplete unless you wipe like 4 times

[shell hill]

reprisal

yeah idk i just feel like i have to push it on that first area to make the timer

[gaunt dawn]

You dont

Straight up

[mellow bridge]

Bring a log

[lofty widget]

that's a dps issue, honestly

[mellow bridge]

Probably quite a few gameplay issues if you struggle like that in a 15

Assuming your gear isn't dogshit levels of low

[gaunt dawn]

Pull multi packs first when you're comfortable and when you trust the group

[shell hill]

i'm 2400 io healer main, this is just my alt. i am by no means a bad player, i am still learning tank though

[gaunt dawn]

I always do a safe pull first in a pug to gauge the group and go from there

Every other role you can kinda coast

As a tank you need to feel out the group

U get me fam?

[shell hill]

i'm pretty sure its mainly bc i'm in shitty pugs and nobody kicks so the wicked bolts are crushing me

yea

[gaunt dawn]

Ye HoA if interrupts are bad I'll go slow for those packa

And if someone bitches

[shell hill]

do you guys switch up talents for specific dungeons?

[gaunt dawn]

I just hit up party chat with '1 interrupt??'

And then they all do it at the same time

[ionic fern]

Not really,no.

[gaunt dawn]

😕

[mellow bridge]

I switch up talents depending on the keylevel

But not for dungeons anymore, no

[ionic fern]

That hits way too close to home. :(

[mellow bridge]

That's a classic

First 3 casts going through, then everybody kicks the same one

[ionic fern]

More than likely jeah. Interrupt one. SR the other one. Use cd's like DS/Shield Wall. You can also Shockwave/Storm Bolt/Fear to interrupt casts.

And don't be afraid to kite if needed in pugs. If you're out of CD's and no one is still interrupting just leap out.

[shell hill]

yeah i'm going to give it another go. my talents rn are 3-1-2-2-2-1-1

[sick sentinel]

ravager over into the fray in m+

[shell hill]

i was thinking maybe the wall would be better than reprisal with anger management

hmm yeah was using ravager, guess i just changed to fray for tyrannical last week

[sick sentinel]

ravager in m+ i feel like its better even in tyranical

reprisal is nice because u can keep the shield block uptime really high

i didnt got it at start either

[modern brook]

its a trap

thinking

Mwahi did it for you

prot warriors havent had to make a macro decision in 5 years

dont start now

[high folio]

im pogging

[sweet summit]

sússybaka

[high folio]

yeah

i hate it too

[sweet summit]

pog tho

[high folio]

facts

shield slam resets out the ass oh my go

[sweet summit]

[high folio]

what should i replace with defensive matrix?

ive heard that trinket doesnt sim right so im asking

[sick sentinel]

Pw voltron with enhance, nf paladin,maybe rogue/hunter for threat think they buff, probably paladin or druid healer for externals

I know a thing rogues could do in bfa was anything they could kidneyshot would take 10% more while it was stunned from all sources

I await some day a YouTube video, : m+20, 20k dps as tank

[high folio]

im getting trolled so fucking hard on kt rn

i keep getting a fixate at the same time im getting the debuff

[urban portal]

is this for raid or m+

if its raid you can just replace opc

and if its m+ you can replace phial

[high folio]

for raid currently

noted about dungeons tho

[distant crystal]

replace phial for m+ wut

that's where it shines the most innit

[high folio]

the crit trink is prob really good for your burst

[obtuse monolith]

My macros literally haven’t changed since TBC. I still have #showtooltip
/Use 13
and
#showtooltip
/Use 14
Always the same keybinds on all characters too.

The only thing I will do is macro trinket 1 (13) into a 90s or 120s DPS cooldown, so I don’t forget to trinket when I hit the cooldown. Trinket 2 (14) slot is where Aegis goes when I run it, so it doesn’t screw with that. If I PVP’d that’s where PVP trink would go too.

[strong forum]

phial does max damage on 2 targets already

that being said, i couldnt honestly say which trinket to replace for matrix, im using phial + matrix in m+

OPC is good burst, but i think phial is better overall

[blazing condor]

Thank you :))

also i dont remember is revenge more damage on 2 targets than execute on 1 target? where's the cut-off points?

[ionic fern]

Depending on your gear Revenge is ~2k(with BSC) per target for 20 Rage.
Execute is ~8k for 40 Rage.
So in a single GCD, yes - Execute will deal more.

[blazing condor]

Hm okay

[ionic fern]

And also if i recall correctly the DPR is linear.

[median tulip]

Yes, DPR for Execute is linear

[sick sentinel]

i wonder what kind of shenigans you could pull with venthyr prot, with double legendaries 1 of which being reprisal, me, personally, i'd want to try it with the wall like itf/ravager am/hr

we already doing into revenge any excess we got when SS isn't up

[strong forum]

ngl, the game would be better with double legendaries

just slap OP stuff on everything

with only 1 legendary, theres not much choice to be had say in raid, with 2, there could be more min maxing done

[sick sentinel]

that or someone could take 1 defensive/buff and one dps one

[strong forum]

reprisal + seismic would absolutely destroy m+ tho

[sick sentinel]

eh, just raise HP until stuff doesn't fall over

[strong forum]

the amount of rage you gain from reprisal + the amount of revenge! procs youd get to spam revenge in aoe

would be nutty

the biggest issue of seismic alone is the massive amount of lack of rage compared to reprisal

[sick sentinel]

i have no idea what, but im 100% positive there is something turbo busted if you give hunters double leggos

[strong forum]

idk about any leggos of anyone but warrior

i just know guardian would be hella broken

more than it already is

cuz theyd just slap on both thrash leggos

and it'd be GG

[sick sentinel]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=336867/surging-shots
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=336870/serpentstalkers-trickery

these 2 would probably break the game

[warm condor]

why

surging shots with the trickshot one would be so much stronger imo

unblinking vigil

[blazing condor]

Blizz should just give us doubles leggos for the last patch

Say fuck it

Let it be broken

Like corruption

[tawny canopy]

Hey guys, I know I can sim my char, but in terms of survivability, how does Strenght outweight Stamina? I know my Armor is increased by 100% od my Strenght thanks to Vanguard, but I was wondering which is better for me. Strenght or Stam? For example on trinkets. If I wanna focus 100% on surviving, at the cost of my damage

[strong forum]

survival comes from playing well, not from gear

Strength is the better stat, but both strength and stam come from the same sources so theres never a choice anyway

focusing 100% on surviving also includes dealing considerable damage as a proper executed rotation results in very high damage done aswell

[sweet summit]

a legendary in every slot 👀
fuck it

[strong forum]

and multiple of the same one

for boosted effect

press 1 revenge, do 40k dps

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/674065348986929163.png?size=96

[jagged pier]

if they allowed leggos in legion TW u could pretty much do that

especially they way expansions gear is now sort of all the same until BFA

legion TW still might be fine, but it would be better with all of that stuff

[craggy pilot]

wow

killed 4 bosses this week, 0 loot

The Eye, The Nine, Guardian, Sylv

[strong forum]

if youd have killed all bosses, youd have gotten loot on fatescribe

[craggy pilot]

3rd time i kill Sylv, still only got that dumb ring 😦

[craggy pilot]

🤣

aint nobody got time for that

my sub runs out in 2 days anyway

[strong forum]

on average you get 1 item per raid

[craggy pilot]

just wanted to see if i could get something for when i come back to TW M+

[strong forum]

and it does in fact matter where you got loot on a boss

[craggy pilot]

wdym?

[strong forum]

if you get loot on the eye

youre extermely unlikely to get loot on the nine

[craggy pilot]

ah ok like that

[strong forum]

if you get look on tarragrue and not again until sylv, theres a good chance you get loot on sylv

[craggy pilot]

killed Guardian 10 times

Nine 11 times

Sylv 4 times

no trinkets 😦

[strong forum]

just keep playing, surely youll get it next week

[craggy pilot]

haha

[strong forum]

🧢

[craggy pilot]

did we ever figure how Legion M+ will work?

[strong forum]

ye its on ptr

[craggy pilot]

like will there be a separate KSM to get?

[strong forum]

no

[craggy pilot]

damn

so nothing to go for?

[strong forum]

only tmog

[plush tendon]

Only tmog he says....

cant even get decent tmog from this expansions M+

[craggy pilot]

but its a one time thing right?

i cant wait for 9.3 to come out, and then do Legion TW then?

[strong forum]

no

its gonna stay forever

in legion timewalking

so itll be like 2-3 times a year

[ionic plank]

my friend has just started playing wow (3 weeks ago) and is playing fury, I was tanking a +7 halls with him and someone managed to ninja pull an extra pack of dogs

I said in discord (to my healer) "I'm gonna take a bit of damage here"

and my lil warrior friend must've thought "I can help him out"

because he intervened me and instantly died 😭

guess now he knows how much damage tanks take

it was so cute, he just wanted to save me 🥺

[sweet summit]

lmao get farmed

[blazing condor]

I sometimes intervene as dps

Just out of reprisal habit

Intervene = rage

In my eyes

[plush tendon]

You can intervene as arms... just have Die by the Sword up XD

[blazing condor]

[plush tendon]

Oddly enough, on Taragrue, a arms warrior can take some hits from him when he enrages with Die by the Sword

while tanks just fall over

[ionic plank]

yeah that's what we used to do on mythic

[plush tendon]

That fight was a pushover

[ionic plank]

arms can just tank him until dbts down

[plush tendon]

we just meme on it now

[ionic plank]

then a tank taunts back

i mean yeah

just so we can stand still

[plush tendon]

even on prog, was like a 2 pull boss

[ionic plank]

yes 1 pull boss

but every farm boss can just be stood still 10-0

with arms then bear

idk what my bear does

but for some reason he can tank it for a while

[plush tendon]

eh, its funnier to run around

[ionic plank]

our tanks enjoy trying to tank it for as long as they can

gotta give them some enjoyment this tier

[plush tendon]

the real question is... how many laps can they do before they get caught

[sick sentinel]

arms warrior pretending to be BDK most likely with dancing weapon

[plush tendon]

Die by The Sword is stronger the DRW XD

100% parry and 30% DR over 40% parry

[vagrant tangle]

just always run 2 arms warriors on tarragrue 🙂

[cedar spear]

For Sylvanas mythic (focus on p3) is RDM or OWS (both hc) the better option to go alongside aegis? So far I've progressed with RDM but I'm wondering if OWS may be better. Due to the tank dmg in p3 defense is definitely of higher value than offense for me but I'm having a very hard time comparing the defensive capabilities of the two

[vagrant tangle]

if those are your only options I'd personally go RDM

[cedar spear]

What else would you go with?

[vagrant tangle]

I played blood spattered scale and al'ar

having a death save on sylv was extremely nice

but RDM/Aegis is completely fine

i've just never played OWS ever and the last thing i want to do is give someone hp in p3

[strong forum]

Aegis is insanely overpowered vs sylvanas

Aegis + matrix is bis for sylv

[livid dagger]

Hey guys, 2400 IO as arms but started trying to tank some more and having a hard time surviving in keys 17-19. Seems like if I don’t have any cds up I just get absolutely melted, especially in places like halls and sanguine where there is a lot of magic damage. I know warriors take a lot more magic damage in general but are there any tips and suggestions for surviving high keys for the packs you don’t have many cds.

[strong forum]

We don't take a lot more magic dmg tho

Just means your dps aren't CCing / kicking properly

The only stuff you can't really deal with is dots ticking on you

And general rule of thumb is, if you can't tank it, you should kite it or plan your CDs for dangerous packs beforehand

[primal cape]

HOA is "you dont cut you die" this week... with full pickup i have to separate them from shard

[strong forum]

Hoa is a special place in hell because of so many ranged mobs and casters

That just refuse to stack up unless you los or have forced movement

[primal cape]

I would recommand splitting casters on HOA, SD i am not having any issues

[plush tendon]

Dont actually think its that bad; I think HoA is a dungeon you just need good routing and good CD usage amongst your dps

also, yea, people gotta use their CCs

[strong forum]

SD is defo one of the easiest dungeons for tanks if you don't count bosses

[primal cape]

Try to use fear/stun to delay, using a lil IP when you see 2 casts at same time

you can yell at this dk not using amz or at this boomie not using bim 🙇‍♂️

[livid dagger]

Do y’all take storm bolt even with reprisal for dungeons like HOA that need lots of interrupts

[strong forum]

I run stormbolt all the time

Shit is OP

4sec duration, 30sec CD ranged stun?

Fuck yeah

[primal cape]

does not break ?

[strong forum]

Break what

[primal cape]

if you hit the target

[strong forum]

No?

It's not an incap, it's a stun

What I said BTW assumes that you're playing properly yourself @livid dagger

[plush tendon]

yea, Stormbolt is baller

Love doubletime, but its hard to give up stormbolt for it

[strong forum]

There can very well be issues with your performance aswell

[livid dagger]

Since I am just switching over to prot (I’ve played it before, but almost 6-8 months ago) I would assume I am not playing properly. Are we usually keeping shield block up 100% spamming shield slam on CD and dump excess rage into ignore pain and revenge on proc?

[strong forum]

But m+ is a group effort, if you have insane dps players, 22+ are not gonna feel much like anything

[livid dagger]

Thunderclap in between shield slams and no reverence proc

?

[strong forum]

Na you revenge all the time

And only pump into IP when you're rage capping or know that you will take a bit of dmg

But most rage goes into revenge

TC on CD
SS on CD
Revenge relatively often, IP only as you need it

Ravager on CD, Avatar on CD, spear on CD

SW and LS are used situationally as you need them
Demo shout basically on CD unless you want to use it for smth specifically

If you have logs I could go over them and see if you're doing smth wrong

[sick sentinel]

sometimes, for mechanics, you can safely save spear

3 small slimes before 1st boss PF comes to mind on the 2 slime golems, keeps them away for a moment

[sick sentinel]

#protection message

that's why shieldblock

[low kindle]

we did it, reflect top dam lmao

[strong forum]

idk how you can get so much on etherdivers

did nobody do any aoe on them?

[low kindle]

they did, but it was a 25 and we had no monk, so they lived for full reflect duration

[strong forum]

ic

[sick sentinel]

i forget to monitor it but have been reflecting scythe lots

everything else is scatter shot, maybe its reflected, maybe not

So you saying interrupting them is a bad move?

[strong forum]

ya you wanna line up a fat SR on etherdivers

[livid dagger]

@strong forum What conduits do you usually take

[strong forum]

the ones in the pins

[sick sentinel]

if you can reflect them apparently

[sick sentinel]

I would never know

Thanksss

[strong forum]

you wait until they start casting

[sick sentinel]

Thats crazy

[strong forum]

then shockwave

so theyre all lined up, after shockwave ends

[sick sentinel]

So they tim ir

[strong forum]

you spell reflect all of them at once

[sick sentinel]

Ahh i use shockwave on cd and stuff never putted much though into it

[strong forum]

ya thats bad

[sick sentinel]

What it hits? Everyone?

[strong forum]

shockwave? is uncapped
the etherdivers only attack you

[sick sentinel]

I mean not on cd per se, if there isnt casters in a pack imnot using it

No no

I.mean the spell reflect

Goes back to the attacker/caster?

Or everything that is on u?

[strong forum]

spell reflect, reflects all attacks that go off on you at the same time

[sick sentinel]

Goes back to who/m?

[strong forum]

the mob(s) that casted on you

or deflects, not everything is reflectable

[low kindle]

you can also reflect Charged Stomp on third boss of spires, it does pretty good damage, did 250k for me and i think i reflected 4 stomps the entire fight

[strong forum]

SoA is the dungeon where we do more dmg the higher the key level is

simply because of SR

[low kindle]

yeah it's gonna get even crazier next patch with mobs scaling

[strong forum]

could be like that in more dungeons but everybody and their mom complaining about it in late BFA made it so blizzard thought it would be a cool idea to make 90% of spells not reflectable

:yeppers

[modern brook]

[sick sentinel]

undersuck

[strong forum]

and WCM /Shrine

and Motherload

so instead we cant even deflect what should be reflectable

[sick sentinel]

no, WCM was piss easy besides the section with basement matron and even then you could reflect her curse

or if u pulled all the trash right after and it bolstered

[mellow bridge]

decent dmg for pf 25

[strong forum]

ramping

[sick sentinel]

question, why pf25 tho

[mellow bridge]

not sure I understand

[sick sentinel]

are you sane of mind type of person?

[strong forum]

if it aint a 29, it aint cool bruh

[mellow bridge]

25s are chill compared to what some other people do

[sick sentinel]

+25 pf does not sound like my idea of a good time

[mellow bridge]

even pugged this one

finally first 25 in time feelsgood

[sick sentinel]

i'm still more comfortable trying to get KSM

don't care which season, just 1 of the mounts

[livid dagger]

Is Elysian Might okay to use in a lower Key for DPS? like around a 12-15

[strong forum]

its aight, but seismic should prove better

and reprisal owns just as much tbh

[mellow bridge]

and man matrix is such a fkin good trinket

finally got it on hc lmao

[strong forum]

it is

[mellow bridge]

666k dmg in that run

and 630k healing

that's so insane

[sick sentinel]

you guys are serious about run seismic all the time for keys now? or i should stick rep/hr

[strong forum]

200-350hps/dps yup

i ran seismic in a few keys

[mellow bridge]

stick to reprisal yogi

[strong forum]

but reprisal is more comfortable

MUCH more rage

[mellow bridge]

seismic is for people doing keys that are easy for them

imo

[strong forum]

ye

seismic is only if you know what youre doing at all times without any thought

and even them in not certain anymore that seismic is that much better than reprisal for dps

[sick sentinel]

know what you do is turn to boss and press shield block

[strong forum]

given that late did like 9.6k dps in mists with reprisal

[sick sentinel]

not miss spears

[strong forum]

you know theres more to that

[sick sentinel]

ohh yeah, point him out group and taunt as well

[mellow bridge]

i wish it was that easy

those slimeclaws haunt me

[strong forum]

on the topic of SR not doing its job.

[sick sentinel]

i dunno if showed you guys or not but i got the viscera, so i pumped some points into it

[mellow bridge]

why would you do that yogi lmao

such a waste

[strong forum]

trinkets are alright to waste points on

is only like 250

[mellow bridge]

and wdym

SR works just fine on that I think?

[strong forum]

it doesnt do fuckall

on their debuff

when it clearly should

[mellow bridge]

huh

it's at least a deflect

not sure if it does dmg actually

[strong forum]

are we talking about the same thing

[mellow bridge]

slimeclaw are those guys that steal your stats

with their hit

[strong forum]

ah no my bad, its the plaguerocs

[mellow bridge]

ahh

yea that one is a bitch

[strong forum]

those cunts, you cant deflect even cuz ayy lmao

when you totally should be able to

[sick sentinel]

double automatic trinkets is also very nice, in BFA i had rezans eye from AD (primary trinket chance to give giga haste 15-20 seconds) and gorechop block from WCM (chance to give crit same effect basically as first one.

[strong forum]

they were good in a sea of dogshit trinkets

atleast SL offers some good trinkets from raid now

that arent just "heres some stats"

[sick sentinel]

lots of the jes howlers and bandages from KR and raid trinkets with on use are nice, but is nicer for me if i don't have to think about pressing button to make it happen

rather just get the buff and hope its when i need it

there was that one from mechagon plating or some crap

EP late trinkets one off the 2nd last boss incredibly nice, same with a lantern damage one around you, and on final boss got the channel crit thing on hunter, turned him into a god

[hollow sun]

i always used the big red button

[sick sentinel]

i could play 8.3 bm hunter flawlessly

got into some raid whenever nyalotha come out and they kept me till final boss where they spent like, 4 hours lookin for a replacement

one of the guys in this pack doesn't like to come to our group, and it pulled bonestorm, how can i get him to los

[strong forum]

gotta interrupt his cast

[jagged pier]

pummel him

[hasty cedar]

The sylvans ring is good for us ?

[strong forum]

not rly no

its alright cuz of ilvl, but there are better rings

far better rings

[hasty cedar]

Understood, I have. 239 and 242 ring with good haste

[strong forum]

ya then i wouldnt bother with sylv ring

unless it was mythic

[hasty cedar]

It's heroic

So I'll save it to use only in arms

[sick sentinel]

okay, and combine the 2nd pack with group of 4 at north, 3rd pack, (to grab spear or ignore spear) or ignore it

99% of runs i've done i've gone to get it for first boss

[hasty cedar]

interesting it sims 34 more dps with it, think it shouldn't be correct or be irrelevant

[strong forum]

well in the context of sims

crit/vers are our best stats for raw dmg in ST

its a good ring for parsing

if thats what youre after

[hasty cedar]

generally i use sim items that idk if its better or not for me, i thought it could be good, but dont wanna do lose a lot of haste

[hasty cedar]

good to know about that, i'll pay more attention on my sims

[strong forum]

I barely sim

The only real stuff to sim is trinkets

[mellow bridge]

same

[strong forum]

And even on trinkets its just

Do you have phial?
Do you have sack?
If both of those are yes, you don't need to sim

[sick sentinel]

sack?

[hasty cedar]

the Tazavesh one, with mastery

rings and trinks are where i have most doubts

but i am using the most haste rings and aegis + phial in trinkets

[mellow bridge]

going for haste heavy rings is def a good choice

unless you already at >40% haste

[sick sentinel]

nop, i'm interested in the 2 technique ones personally

[mellow bridge]

codex?

that one isnt that great for us sadly

doesnt work very well with prot warrior

it's really good on bdk tho

[sick sentinel]

ah too bad that secret one sucks, needed to be like it stacks to 5, and then gives a capstone buff for hitting 5

[hasty cedar]

i get 35% haste with itf

[mellow bridge]

itf doesnt matter

doesnt count for DR

as long as youre under 40% haste WITHOUT itf, youre good to go and can stack more haste

[left temple]

Stats for Reprisal are Haste Vers?

[sweet summit]

yah

[urban portal]

Ye

[left temple]

sick ty

[hasty cedar]

so i am far away of it, 25 current

[left temple]

What's better to run in M+, Phial or OWS?

I know I can get crazy uptime with OWS if I chain pull

But then I also have to chain pull lol

[distant crystal]

you want to chain pull anyway gopher it

[dark lark]

OWS probably, just because it's both offensive and defensive benefits

[distant crystal]

phial does the juiciest dam tho

[left temple]

Yeah phial is good

either 252 phial or 233 OWS

cause i can't fucking get a 246

: )))))))

[dark lark]

Sure, but OWS increases your damage a fair amount too

[left temple]

oh and another question

which enchant for main hand

[dark lark]

Yeah I've killed heroic Sylvanas so many weeks in a row now but I don't get shit

[mellow bridge]

at that ilvl diff I'd prolly just go for the phial tbh

however

you could sim the dmg difference

[dark lark]

Sinful for raid, lightless for keys, if you cba to swap then just run celestial

[left temple]

Hard to sim for M+ tho

[mellow bridge]

and think about if the dmg difference is worth the additional defensive benefit or not

[left temple]

yeah I cba to swap

[mellow bridge]

eh kinda?

you just do several sims

[left temple]

But i know I won't be tanking raid anyways

[dark lark]

Then just go celestial

[mellow bridge]

deactivate raid buffs, no lust, and just sim like 1 target 2:30, 5 targets 1:30, 8 targets 1:30 or smth like that

depending on your keylvl you could go for lower times

and then you just go from there

ooor you just pick what you feel like

[left temple]

Regardless of that choice I assume if I get aegis off the nine then I run that with my scale

[mellow bridge]

No

you dont run both

you replace scale with aegis

[left temple]

Even in high keys?

[mellow bridge]

double on use is yuck and hugely unnecessary

yes even in high keys

i run aegis matrix in 24/25s

[left temple]

Yeah I'd run matrix if I had one

[mellow bridge]

matrix is really good but ows/phial are fine too

[left temple]

Had to loot council off my 252 aegis to a tank

i cried

[mellow bridge]

yikes

even hc aegis is insane btw

and better than scale in most m+ scenarios

[left temple]

yeah

I just need to get around to reclear heroic

Kinda drag at this point

[dark lark]

You could be a masochist like me and full clear heroic on 6 toons a week

[left temple]

i cba

i haven't even gotten around to gearing my primary alt

[mellow bridge]

nine is so ez to kill even in a pug

just do it

[dark lark]

Honestly just do nine and guardian every week

Trinkets are worth it

Maybe one extra boss for vault option lol

[sick sentinel]

that movie i shared is very real though guy get KO'd

i did pf 14 and thats exactly what happened first pull cuz didn't block

[ocean yoke]

i can confirm after another week of prog m kt still sucks

[dark lark]

Something for me to look forward to :/

We're probably downing Painsmith next week, and guardian soon after that

[ocean yoke]

its unfortunate the next few bosses after painsmith kinda stink

very boring

[river escarp]

how many ilvls should we be giving up for neck/rings for haste/verse? I have sin stained pendant that I will use valor on vs a 252 low haste/high mastery neck

[ivory coral]

I dropped a 252 no haste neck for a 246 sst

Feels worth it

[green flare]

guys someone have the macro for drop ravager at the feets ?

[dreamy wedge]

/cast @heavy mirage will do that iirc

[teal swift]

@cursor is better, so you don't lose the flexibility of a ranged aoe

[sand pebble]

i love it at player - charge and drop it, never really need ranged ravager tbh

[ivory coral]

I like it for breaking out stealthed mobs like the ones in spires

[teal swift]

I like flexibility so I can more adequately choose what I want to do. Eliminating that choice, makes the skill level inherently weaker.

You are also castrating the range by about half. When you throw it at your feet, it should still only hit shit in front of you.
Otherwise you gonna get poked in the back.

If you move to ensure that scenario doesn't happen, you're now unnessisarily moving mobs.

So by using such a macro, you're losing a huge aspect of the skill.

Its range.

[strong forum]

Usually you should start using ravager to engage a pack

The best use of ravager is before you charge the pack

[teal swift]

I agree.

I use it to Maximize targets hit and generate rage.

If I use it mid combat , I still want that choice

Just trying to communicate that, foregoing that choice is unideal

[blazing condor]

I dont macro my spear or ravager at all i just dont like playing it that way

Maybe its int by missing like 0.1 secs but who cares

[teal swift]

I like @cursor macros for some skills

But @player just hurts

[strong forum]

You can miss by clicking your mouse

Takes more than 0.1sec to react from the pressing of the key, to clicking your mouse

I hate the green circle aim, anything that has that I instantly slap @cursor

Except for warlock gateway cuz there you need to actually see where you can put it at

[teal swift]

Some things have value

Dk Deatg and decay I use @cursor and by itself

On two different bibds

[drifting oasis]

I just got aegis, and wondering how to use it on a pack pull, do you pop it immediately and lose the benefit of rerisal, or wait till shield block wears off, or .... ?

[strong forum]

When you need it

[teal swift]

Use it to mitigate big damage.

If you need it during shield block use it

If you don't find you need it, wear a different trinket.

[drifting oasis]

ok; so don't just pop it on pulling a large pack; wait till things get dificult?

[strong forum]

There is no white or black answer on this

Besides, experience and vs stuff that would otherwise seem dangerous

[teal swift]

The philosophy is take a set of actions that minimizes the time to successfully complete the key.

[drifting oasis]

I guess you get used to the different packs and when to pop it

[teal swift]

Will you die without it?
Do you need it for certain pulls?
If you don't use it, will the increase in DPS help the key when you compare it to not being able to pull as much, or the healer not being able to dps

[strong forum]

The simplest answer is "can I use it now with it being ready again for when I need it?"

If that answer is yes, you can basically use it on CD

[teal swift]

You will want to maximize uptime and total damage blocked, but also have it Everytime you need it.

And in your keys, ask yourself. Do you need it?

[drifting oasis]

ok yeah, if its not a dangerous pack maybe pop it on pull to help out the healer so it will be up again for next pack

[strong forum]

That's the idea

[teal swift]

Discuss with your team

I suggest to everyone. Choreograph all cooldowns. DPS, defensive etc.

[jagged pier]

wait ppl do that?

[teal swift]

Figure out the dance to a particular dungeon. And repeat said dance tweaking as you go.

[jagged pier]

i just press buttons

[teal swift]

Yes.

I find if players don't adequately have a plan for CDs. You either don't use enough, or too many.

[teal swift]

Why is prot warrior so underrepresented right now, apart from pretty bad single target DPS, it seems decent

[blazing condor]

People live with the beliefs that we are bad

Because its a real easy class to be shit at

People who push the highest keys dont use pwarr because other tank classes bring things that we dont thats considered better

So twitch friends and meta slaves dont pay us any mind

[sand pebble]

I can do things on my 220 bear that I can only dream of on my 246 prot warr- prot is amazing but it brings very little in terms of utility outside of spell reflect and rallying cry

[blazing condor]

Id say we are more of diamond in the rough on the big scale

In the right hands we can do what the top teams do

[sick sentinel]

double leggos, rep+leaper, double time and bounding talents + HR rename self to "pinball"

[safe thistle]

normally i use it for caster dmg that i know wont be kicked.....

use on cd outside that

[real thunder]

Is there a rule of thumb regarding say HeroicRaid Ilvl dom gear vs non-dom ilvl 252 gear for Mythic plus? is Ilvl always king or is the shard effects too good that it makes up for it?

[ivory coral]

you can sim for damage

defensively I dont think the shards besides accreation are worth it

the absorb one

[strong forum]

dom shards > ilvl

even in m+

[real thunder]

thx

[chilly brook]

Just call cooldowns per pack tbh

No reason to spend a huge amount of time before the dungeon doing it

[chilly brook]

Eh one broken lego and a broken conduit, tldr one fix away from being not so dominant

Legit bear is overhyped and I've bricked more keys than I'd like to admit because a bear does pulls that no one else can live

[sick sentinel]

cleared a +14 nw, but i died to dumb things, magic things

[craggy shale]

hello, I'm pretty new to prot warrior ilvl 227, mythic plus player, with no legendary what is a good amount of up time for shield block? I usually sit around like 48-54% up time, mitigation hasn't been a huge issue unless its magic/bleed/disease in keys from +10 to +15

I unfortunately have to and have been waiting 'til upper reaches comes out to get my reprisal legendary, all tips and info welcome.

[strong forum]

you can spam reset Twisted Corridors on layer 3

layer 3, floor 6 boss drops Reprisal recipe

[craggy shale]

dungeon guide told me upper reaches specifically... will it drop from twisted?

damn bro ty

[strong forum]

but you have to get the correct layout of it

Twisted Corridors goes through all wings, and on layer 3 legendary recipes drop, you just gotta get upper reaches layout

[craggy shale]

wow, thanks so much

[sick sentinel]

so, don't go second right portal in TOP teleports? bone storm deletes you win spikes and just easier to do wind dudes? (fort)

[strong forum]

depends on group / count

[primal cape]

starting to love the storm bolt 👀

[primal cape]

too many buttons i guess

one of the hardest to master with the monk

[sick sentinel]

planning on standard dratnos route, after first kill the 2 buff dudes then teleport > golem > pvp

so, it depends if i have casters heavy group vs melee group and probably want to take melee to the tornado guys?

[spring heart]

you always go right for the sake of time

[sick sentinel]

i used to go left because it was very simple if you just walked through to their back side

[spring heart]

in lower keys it doesnt matter

hold w=get loot

even on lower keys i go right because people have less chance to die

mfs always die to tornadoes somehow, and then god forbid release

[sick sentinel]

i think i've seen those spikes delete melee before too though

[spring heart]

then your melee have their eyes growing out of their ass 🙂

spikes also dont one shot on lower keys

so its safer bet regardless

unless they get hit by multiple fast

[queen reef]

what is the red shield proc icon that shows up to my left?

[strong forum]

means your Shield slam CD reset

[queen reef]

oh xD

oh im just goofing off with prot spec, i dont think im going to try to arena with it xD

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3dEfsvtxs0

frantically using something to stay alive in (x)

[gritty plank]

what tanks are meta/easiest rn?

[lime urchin]

dudu by far

get leggo

keybind trash and incarnation

[gritty plank]

ah druid

[plush tendon]

Yea, druid is a tier above the others in regards to ease since it’s basically face tank and thrash

[sick sentinel]

druid heals over time mostly, which can be scary sometimes if you've stood in bad facing a cleave

heal numbers fine, just takes a second or so to get started

with a paladin for instance, you just get a giant chunk of your HP back, especially like lay on hands

[mint pike]

Any good educational-ish prot warriors out there making videos for tanking keys? tips and tricks, tech, etc

[sick sentinel]

nomeratur does streams i know and a few of the guys here have YT channels im sure

[hasty cedar]

i like to watch plka stream

[urban portal]

not even tho

stuff like survival instincts makes them really good at tanking even burst

not to mention stuff like pulverize

[sick sentinel]

was saying way druid healer puts heals on you, some times it feels like they have too much ramp into burn mana and CD's

[urban portal]

everyone was talking about g druid

so i thought you were too

[sick sentinel]

i don't mind type of healer really, long as green bar goes up

some healers you get with and it's impossible to die, others your waitin every pull on mana

[violet violet]

Finally got the shard trinket but I’m not sure how I want to use it. I shouldn’t have sb or ip up during it, right?

And is there any way to see if I’ve absorbed enough with it to get the damage from it?

[chilly brook]

No, you don't just suddenly stop using your mitigation because you have a trinket

I'm sure there are weakauras that will show you if you hit the damage threshold to proc the damage hit but honestly just use it when you know theres big damage coming in like on a big pull in m+

[violet violet]

Thanks dude yeah it makes sense

[blazing condor]

Yeah dont sweat it really

Better to use it when you need to than to go by principles and end up dead because of them

[lime urchin]

In m+, use it (almost) on cooldown, or maybe save it a little bit when hard bleeds / magic is coming your way. For example mechagon lady boss in dos with her chainsaw or whatever it’s called. Use aegis and laugh manically

[tawdry dirge]

how good is that trinket for us?

[jagged pier]

its aight

[tawdry dirge]

fair and i guess boost it with versa or haste right?

or do i have other options too since many of my ppl are using crit highest stat

[ionic plank]

I think more people like haste than crit, might be wrong

[tawdry dirge]

just said MY 🙂

[ionic plank]

oh sorry

misread

[tawdry dirge]

playing with BM hunters and shammy hehe

[ionic plank]

your people

ah okay

[teal swift]

Crit rating makes my shield twirl

[ionic plank]

[teal swift]

I dont have access to brew lounge rn, and I dont want to join the bear discord, any bears around 🤣

[ivory coral]

I played bear to 2500 before swapping to prot

[teal swift]

Why arent there any necrolord bears, it seems like such a strong covenant for us

[ivory coral]

Because night fae is just too good

Convoke is a very fun ability and Niya or korayn are insane soulbinds

Necrolord doesn't do all that much for bear, you don't really get much value out of fleshcraft and adaptive swarm doesn't help with the weak points in your kit

Which is damage/threat

[worn bear]

bear suffers damage-wise?

wouldn't have expected that

[ivory coral]

Outside of incarn bear damage is pretty bad, at least at the moment

[teal swift]

Bear damage is second highest

of all the tanks overall in raid

cough catweaving

[ivory coral]

Oh you're talking about raid, then it might be different

[teal swift]

Im talking about keys

[ivory coral]

I have m+ brain

[teal swift]

im just a bit of an ass

[ivory coral]

Cat weaving in raid as druid is definitely a lot of fun though

[teal swift]

Random question, is bleed damage physical?

[strong forum]

Regular bears only do 5-6k overall dps in m+

[strong forum]

Yes

[teal swift]

i was like , DIRECT bleed damage, weirdchamp

[teal swift]

Disappointing, are they just unkillable?

My warrior pushes like 6k with crappy groups

[ionic fern]

They are really beefy with that Incarn/Thrash legendary

[strong forum]

Only unkillable during incarn, outside of incarn they're as vulnerable as any other tank

If not weaker

[ionic fern]

And...it ignores Necrotic. I hate that part.

[teal swift]

Then why is it thought of as the best tank in the game rn D:

[strong forum]

Cuz LMAO IMMORTAL DURING BIG PULLS

[jagged pier]

because it can pull half a dungeon and not die

[ionic fern]

Because high end groups do cordinated pulls and pull around incar .

[ivory coral]

Druids are plenty tanky outside of incarn

[teal swift]

Okie, my team wants me to run druid

now that ive hit KSM on warrior

[strong forum]

They are plenty tanky, but people overexaggerate how much tankier bear is

[jagged pier]

what but u can play anything into higher keys

[ivory coral]

That's true

[jagged pier]

literally doesnt matter

[teal swift]

Easy = better

[strong forum]

And bear performs really well even if played poorly

That's the biggest benefit

[teal swift]

POGCHAMP

[ivory coral]

Tank balance is pretty good right now and playing your class well matters a lot more than what class it is

[ionic fern]

All you do is..Incarn..thrash..thrash..IF...thrash.

Thats how you play a bear in 15s.

[strong forum]

It's very noob friendly, but has a very high skill ceiling

[ionic fern]

Ngl tho..doing big pulls with that legendary is fun.:(

[ivory coral]

Yeah but the resto of the time bear is so sleeper

[strong forum]

Need to owlweave more then

More weaving

[teal swift]

We'll see how this goes

im ilvl 200

I step into 15s tomorrow 😄

[strong forum]

Should be doable

[ivory coral]

Also the incarn playstyle is shit for timing keys, it baits people into doing big pulls and wiping because only the tank can live them

[teal swift]

should be easier than to start KSM at 208 on a prot warrior. . . i hope

[strong forum]

Ye, there are basically 2 metas

Druid big pulls - small pulls - big pulls

Or regular pulls with every other tank

But constantly

[jagged pier]

had a druid in 15 mists yesterday pull 3 staghorns yet with inprising around them because they had incarn up

[teal swift]

my playstyle is small pulls of 5-10 mobs

So who knows

[strong forum]

10 mobs is already considered a big pull

[teal swift]

I havnt had to push past 15s in a while., and now were offered portals

so im kinda fucked

[ivory coral]

[teal swift]

Im unironically autistic

I planout the entire key

pull by pull breakdown

with planned CDs

[jagged pier]

thats a bit over kill for 15s tbh

[ivory coral]

Idk i passed my bear in io as prot now and it's infinitely more fun to play

[jagged pier]

u can just press w and time 15s

[teal swift]

Have brain damage atm

so i need every edge i can get

Doctor calls it executive dysfunction 😄

so i need like sticky notes and s hit

[fluid vector]

Guys am 248 ilvl and feeling abit squashy in 15s

[teal swift]

Show your talents

[jagged pier]

@fluid vector it sounds like u are doing somthing completely wrong then do u have logs?

[fluid vector]

My versa is 15%

[teal swift]

99.999% its your shieldblock uptime is trash, or youre

[strong forum]

Vers doesn't matter for shit

[teal swift]

pulling too much, or your group are retards

[jagged pier]

i get that but i would have though pressing w is eaiser than sticky notes but then again i dunno it not my brain

[jagged pier]

i did 20s with like 7% vers its never vers your likely playing incorrectly, if u have videos or logs we can have a look into them and see whats up

[teal swift]

Use reprisal, use all charges of intervene charge

use last stand to give even mroe shield block

[strong forum]

Bolster in 2021

Damn

[teal swift]

I like bolster in keys

;~; so much uptime

and with ravager

[strong forum]

Eh..

[teal swift]

you just spam ignore pain

[jagged pier]

er

[teal swift]

For people struggling in 15s

[jagged pier]

bolster is less uptime than rep and HR

[teal swift]

use defensive shit imho until you find a healer you should marry

[teal swift]

bhut its big uptime when you want it

[jagged pier]

but thats not the point if u have HR and rep u alwasy have SB

tbh u always have SB with just rep

[ivory coral]

But you don't need it to have good uptime

[teal swift]

Eh it works for me 😄

Allows for some pretty bad play and coming out alive

[ivory coral]

If i wanted more SB I'd rather play itf+hr than bolster

[jagged pier]

that is more uptime

that is 100% uptime

or should be

[teal swift]

hes dying at 248 in 15s, im not sure what he's doing ¯_(ツ)_/¯

my suboptimal approach, has been working well for me

[ionic fern]

Those are for raid.

[jagged pier]

u dont run bolster in raid Mwahi

its ither AM or HR

[ivory coral]

Can you tells us what pulls feel bad or anything. At 248 you should be more than fine. I tank 23s with that ilvl and less vers

[jagged pier]

oh i mis read

forget that mwahi

[teal swift]

im bad and i have a different paradigm than yall ¯_(ツ)_/¯

it kinda sorta works

[jagged pier]

i mean it also shows u can run what u want and talents are the be all and end all

but bolster is defiantly sub optimal

[teal swift]

its really good if youre bad and you find yourself without SB 😄

[ionic fern]

If you play Reprisal and HR it's almost a no-effort keeping SB up.

[ivory coral]

If you have no SB you make some with reprisal, or kite 😄

[teal swift]

I think a bigger increase in key performance

is replacing the 3rd dps im beating

with someone that can do more than 6k overall 🙂

[ivory coral]

Maybe

[teal swift]

These are all strawmen.

Yall right, an d I am wrong, but i dont think its a big deal

[ivory coral]

But you can't make your friends better

[teal swift]

We usually have to pug 2 dps slots 😄

The real solution here, is to make more friends

Next time im running keys on warriorm ill try Rep + AM

[ionic fern]

It's just about how much you want to min-max.
You can 100% play w/e talents in a +15 as long as you know the class/dungeon.
Is Bolster+Reprisal the best? - No, HR takes the cake defensively and AM offensively.
Is Bolster+Reprisal playable? - 100% yes.

[teal swift]

and track uptime with logs 🙂

Its likely user Error , and Bolster fixed issues i was having

[ionic fern]

If you're looking to improve then it's time to step out of that comfort zone.

[teal swift]

Agree'd 🙂

[ivory coral]

Pretty sure with itf and hr at S2 haste levels you barely even need reprisal anymore for good uptime, although i haven't tried it in an actual key 😄

[fluid vector]

i mean do you know the mobs in nw on the right side before first boss

not gonna lie they hurt and i seem to die there too

[jagged pier]

they thos mobs do hurt if the guy isnt soothed

but they shouldnt kill u

on 15 with that ilvl

do u have logs?

[fluid vector]

unfortunately nope

[jagged pier]

we cant really do much with feelycrafty it feels like x

[ivory coral]

yeah the, i think, vanguard needs a soothe. He gets a stacking buff that increases his damage

[fluid vector]

kk how about this mobs