protection

[sick sentinel]

the thing i feel like, is hc and +15 arent even high content

and as a tank i could be 1k rio and get aceptd

[ionic fern]

The amount of DPS'ers to choose from is huge. 🙂

[sick sentinel]

my haste is 34% but im doing it all wrong still somehow, haven't done any actual content yet

[ionic fern]

So why settle for someone with a 2k score while you have like 20 other DPS'ers queing with 2.5k score for example.

[sick sentinel]

its just warriors

ppl dont like them

[ionic fern]

No, it's literally any DPS.

🙂

[primal cape]

if you queue DPS on my 15 and im looking at your rio, i wont pick you when im seeing most of keys are tank

[sick sentinel]

u go with a rogue

and u see the difference i would say

[ionic fern]

Not really..

[sick sentinel]

melee dps gets a bad rap because you are closer to the boss so there are more spell effects going off and if your pcs a toaster it goes boom in mythic raid

[sick sentinel]

not really i got aotc with arms

*KSM

[primal cape]

11 tank / 5 dps

[sick sentinel]

and because you have to be close to boss, so if it tailswipes or cleaves some shit, melee probably first to die

[sick sentinel]

click on arms

...

u cant see

[primal cape]

i do what ppl do when they saw you

they wont look at others things

[sick sentinel]

ahh

[ionic fern]

It's literally because there are a TON of DPS players queing for each key.
Set up a group and look for DPS'ers..there will be like 10+ applicants in the first 30 seconds.
Meanwhile you set up a group and look for a tank..you might sit there for like 15 minutes.

[primal cape]

could be one of the reason

[primal cape]

this is why im playing tank now

[ionic fern]

So people are desperate for a tank..aka just pick the first one pretty much.

[sick sentinel]

i don't like playing dps as much due to the incredible wait time and itemlevel/raider io achivement linking to get into a m+/raid

[ionic fern]

It's pretty much the reason i started tanking. 🤷

[jolly granite]

Play your own key

Simple problem solved

[ionic fern]

Sure. That's one way to go..still will take forever to find a tank.

[jolly granite]

Better than not getting accepted

[strong forum]

For me? Its not playing

[plush tendon]

Tanks are a hot commodity

[sick sentinel]

well, sure, play your own key, but then what if tank is bigger moron tank than you are and then healer leaves

[plush tendon]

at least thats what my guild tells me, I wouldnt know, I do keys with 3 tank mains

[primal cape]

sometimes i try to play healer, and im seeing long queue + terrible tank tanking -> insta switch back

[ionic fern]

[sick sentinel]

sometimes no matter what you do or don't do , you are still going to get scerwed lol

[jolly granite]

That‘s right but than your only solution is building a squad

[ionic fern]

Being in a guild as a active tank is like..

Silence for a week, no one joining for a key
Tuesday
1000 whispers from guildies at midnight looking for a tank to get the weekly done

[plush tendon]

its so hard to turn off tank brain if the tank is not as good. It just tilts me to no end

[jolly granite]

😅

[ionic plank]

just be higher score :)
I queue for a weekly 15 as 252 ilvl 2400 score and almost always get invited

[plush tendon]

Ah yes, vault for vultures is a tradition.

[ionic plank]

but that's the problem, even though you're perfectly capable theres 100 dps players with higher score queuing at the same time as you

[ionic plank]

so pugging as a dps is impossible unless you're massively overqualified

[sick sentinel]

pic very related

[ionic fern]

This.

[plush tendon]

We even have it in our guild recruitment flyer 😄

[sick sentinel]

my trinkets need the homeless shelter and not fucking pepega ones

keep getting all the dumb trinkets

[ionic plank]

then I queue as tank on my 1.3k score 230 dh and also get insta invited cos its 2am and they've been waiting for 3 hours

[plush tendon]

The law of pugs, if they have been waiting long enough, the leader will break and invite you

EZ gains

[primal cape]

yesterday i created a group for a friend where i was tanking "TOP +15 your key"

[sick sentinel]

i'd kill for a r12 emitter

[sick sentinel]

or n/h OWS

[ionic fern]

Yep.
I got kicked from a group once cause "Your route is shit"..so i joined another group..did the dungeon..came back and they were still qued looking for a tank.

[blazing condor]

but was your route shit doe

[primal cape]

got the same for the SD20 i timed with almost 8 min, but he had the terrible combo russian/hunter

[ionic fern]

Idk, i guess so? It diddn't meet their "My favourite streamer diddn't do this" requirement.

[blazing condor]

[primal cape]

• got kick before dung because i was not NF

terrible...

[ionic plank]

it wasn't a dratnos route >:(

[plush tendon]

hey, dont diss on ratman

he makes A+ content

[ionic fern]

I don't want to be rude..but some of the Dratnos routes were a hot mess...

Atleast back when they started..i don't know how they are now.

[blazing condor]

dratnos is shit

🤷‍♂️

[ionic plank]

oh for sure he puts out amazing and consistent content, but some of his routes have been questionable

[plush tendon]

[blazing condor]

i did enough of his s1 routes to know he has no idea how to route

maybe theyre better now

[ionic plank]

I'm not dissing the dude he does a great job

[blazing condor]

but s1 they were garbage

[sick sentinel]

"what do you mean you didnt pull all 15 mobs in this hallway? i had my cd's and thats what they showed on the MDI, so of course i had to go pull it for you! what do you mean you weren't prepared with cds? noob tank kick!!!"

[ionic plank]

but as soon as you start pushing higher keys you're not gonna wanna be using his routes

[blazing condor]

problem with his s1 routes were that prides were just weird asf at times

mid pack

or before nothing

[primal cape]

raiderio routes are usually fine with some little changes

[blazing condor]

just make your own routes and learn the dungeons that way

[sick sentinel]

the dratnos routes are fine with minor tweaks,

[blazing condor]

look at high runs and see what works

[mellow bridge]

well yea

his routes arent made for that

theyre usually just simple to follow weekly 15s routes

[sick sentinel]

the routes that im wanting to see are simple and straight fowards

[plush tendon]

I mean, once you know whats up, you dont use his routes and make your own

[sick sentinel]

extra bonus tips like, whre the tank should pull from and stand most of X boss fight

[plush tendon]

and if you play with a consistent group, you actually go over the route before hand and everyone talks through some strats or what would work best

[ionic fern]

Best route is:

Go to the dungeon, start the key but don't pull anything.
Wait for the impatient DPS players to pull stuff
Kill the stuff they pull
Complain at them for the wrong %.

[sick sentinel]

or, "healer will likely die phase 2 of this fight because Y"

[plush tendon]

genius

this must be that Euro tech

[ionic fern]

You know it.

[sick sentinel]

bring a hunter, they are good at pulling extra shit first for you

dk more better cuz DG, but that s a different topic

[plush tendon]

just wait for uncapped barrage

everything in a 3 mile radius is gonna get pulled

[sick sentinel]

deathgrip is stupid, especially on caster trash

its so absolutely busted on caster trash it works on

[plush tendon]

Well thats DKs thing

[sick sentinel]

i know this is a protection warrior, and i love warrior but thoughs about monk tank m+? good enough?

[plush tendon]

100%

all tanks are good enough

[sick sentinel]

my old gm the bdk he played a bit of monk tank seemd to really like it

[sick sentinel]

i think so, dmg wise as good as prot?

[plush tendon]

100%

Monk damage is very strong

[sick sentinel]

you put down a bull statue and it taunts shit, then you do normal attacks and you have some cd's and something about stagger?? but i don't have a fucking clue how stagger really works

so, i couldn't play that

[ionic plank]

they dont use ox statue in m+

[sick sentinel]

all i knew abou stagger was you have like, 3 buttons to manage it, you get stagger, then you die

[ionic plank]

ring of peace is too good

stagger just means some of the damage you take is taken as a dot instead of instantly

and then purifying brew cleanses some of that dot

and celestial brew gives you a shield based on how high the dot is

and then u just throw ur keg at mobs for giga damage

[sick sentinel]

i wasn't about it, must have been a spec that you have to actively avoid fire really well

[ionic plank]

I think brew is the only monk spec I can stand playing

the other 2 feel horrible

(imo)

(before i get slaughtered for not liking ww)

[sweet summit]

WWs are the scum of melee

[sick sentinel]

what no, they provide melee buff

[sweet summit]

so does the other two monk specs

[ionic plank]

they are also pretty fucking broken damage wise, but just feels like shit to play imo

so janky and not smooth at all

[sick sentinel]

mage is nice because just stand million miles from fight

[ionic plank]

fury and havoc are my favourite melee specs

I just wanna spam my buttons

[sick sentinel]

togglable blade flurry in wrath was really good, was just a permanent buff with some downside

[ionic plank]

I only played since cata

only played fury since end of legion

[blazing condor]

is TOP still bugged?

[plush tendon]

the miniboss bug should be fixed

[primal cape]

when its buggy, i ask the team to spam AOE on feets

it works after some secs

[sick sentinel]

Theater of Pain - Fixed an issue where gladiators in the Halls of Might could sometimes remain immune to player abilities after finishing their duel
https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-dungeon-and-raid-hotfixes-mythic-kelthuzad-theater-of-pain-duel-mobs-324347

[blazing condor]

thank

[sick sentinel]

there is some pattern you can do for the first ones at least you can do so that you always get the guy you want if you kill your pack at a certian time after one of them does certain attack

[mellow bridge]

better

[balmy coral]

So I'm someone on Reddit flaming me because I cast revenge too much and not enough ignore pain. He started linking from guid on how you should use ignore pain and I informed him that and heroic progression ignore pain is mostly useless. I use it on fights like Guardian while I'm running the wall Leggo and don't have 100% Shield block up time or to absorb magic damage on like the nine and on H Sylvannas. But outside of that with reprisal you have near 100% Shield block up time it's such a waste of rage compared to how much shield block absorbs.

[sick sentinel]

and i have a feeling that it has something to do with some kind of check if it has the right variables to start the event, but it gets confused

possibly attempts to start tracking its old enemy as ally or pathing issue, could have been anything

[plush tendon]

I mean, what do you expect from Reddit?

[balmy coral]

I told him to post here

[plush tendon]

yea, but we are known pumpers

[balmy coral]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/px6599/this_person_is_why_i_hate_boosting/hepzukr?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3

Get em!

[sick sentinel]

its deleted

[balmy coral]

Hmmm shouldn't be but okay ty anyway

[sick sentinel]

Sorry, this post has been removed by the moderators of r/wow.
Moderators remove posts from feeds for a variety of reasons, including keeping communities safe, civil, and true to their purpose.+

[odd warren]

So is reprisal now just about the best all around leggo?

[balmy coral]

For like 95% of content yes

[modern brook]

Lmao my guy proves himself wrong with his own quote reddit is wild

[odd warren]

Awesome and I’m assuming feet?

[modern brook]

"Now" is a weird rider it's been the best in everything since it's rework in like .0.5

Legs

[odd warren]

I haven’t played much since 9.0.5

[balmy coral]

Legs

[karmic plinth]

so, i have aegis and matrix at 239 and scale at 252 and trying to wrack my brains on what would be the most 'effective' combo for m+ - my gut feeling is to run aegis / matrix but if i want more on demand survival to run aegis / scale ? i assume theres no situation where aegis will be beaten out by the other two?

[cyan onyx]

Aegis is all around better in M+ thank scale, I would run aegis and matrix

Best defensive/offensive combo and you don't have double on use

[sick sentinel]

i got ??? and scale 213, valor but s1

[karmic plinth]

thought as much

[sick sentinel]

and i decided to go for decanter lfr since it gies nearly 3% crit and i want that for arms

[cyan onyx]

(Aegis is better because there us no cap on the amount of damage it can protect from btw)

[sick sentinel]

i like anima emitter and scale most, but really any trinket, dps ones we are fond of

OWS, is a good one from raid

[cyan onyx]

I honestly think the best trinket combo in the game is scale or aegis and matrix. If you're trying to pump dps trinkets make sense but they offer 0 survivability outside of main stat.

[ionic plank]

this post got outed as being complete fiction and the warrior who they invited was actually really good and hard carrying their damage

the dude just made the entire thing up, kinda crazy

[balmy coral]

That wasn't the warrior in question

as mentioned in the comments

[ionic plank]

yes it was

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/px6599/comment/hep7wec/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[balmy coral]

No because I even mentioned the warrior left

[ionic plank]

oh wait that was your post

[balmy coral]

That warrior was on our kill

[ionic plank]

[balmy coral]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/dalaran/victorwar

That is the warrior in question

we didn't log Fatescribe or the first few pulls of KT as you can see fatescribe isn't logged'

[ionic plank]

[strong forum]

What am I supposed to see

Can you give me tldr

That Gerier is the bad guy?

And Snae and Monica are the good ones?

I don't frequent reddit so idk how to decipher this

[mellow bridge]

it's just dumb reddit drama nome

I should make one for you calling me cringe on andy stream

😩

[strong forum]

I made 1 comment on early s1 saying pwar isn't bad

And got 150-200 down votes

So I refrain from even trying :)

[balmy coral]

Long story short, I made a post about a pug we invited that was boosted. Our RL didn't log 2/3 of the night so everyone assumed that I was referencing someone named clownwarrior who was actually quite good. When it was someone else who wasn't in the logs I was referencing

And Gerier tried to make me look bad b/c I don't use IP a ton in H Prog.

[plush tendon]

I think the point was, they value IP too much and spend too much rage on it

[ionic plank]

but the clownwarrior guy exactly matched your description and was the only warrior on the logs so it did seem super sus

[sweet echo]

Would y’all recommend using dragon scale trinket with aegis?

[strong forum]

Overkill

[sweet echo]

Or would you prefer to use 1 passive and 1 double on use

[plush tendon]

dragon scale?

[strong forum]

Aegis alone is enough

Aegis + matrix is the god comp

[sweet echo]

Blood splatter scale

From DoS

[plush tendon]

ah, yea you dont really need both

good on some tanks to have both

[sweet echo]

I don’t have defense matrix yet

[strong forum]

Then work on it!

[sweet echo]

I don’t think I have survivability issues to where I’d need both

[balmy coral]

Yea I didn't think we could out people in reddit. It didn't make sense because Clownwarrior was a part of out kill where as I mentioned the person in question left after 2-3 pulls

[mellow bridge]

double on use defensive trinkets is kinda ehhh

[sweet echo]

Running phial for my other trinket currently

[strong forum]

I have a written statement from plka saying that it's overkill even in 26s

[mellow bridge]

phial is good

[strong forum]

Phial owns

[sweet echo]

A matter of, which trinket is better. Scale, or aegis

[strong forum]

Aegis in m+

[plush tendon]

If Plka says its overkill, then it must be

[mellow bridge]

I tried running both once in a 24

and it just felt so shit to play lmfao

so now I only run aegis

[strong forum]

Lesson learned, just don't post on reddit

[mellow bridge]

aegis for m+, scale for raid generally

there are exceptions tho like aegis being insane on Sylv

[ionic fern]

Damn, did i miss reddit drama?

[sweet echo]

Got it got it. At what point do you use scale, during a pull

[plush tendon]

yea, if you want real engaging discussion about wow and how to play your class properly.... you should go outside

[balmy coral]

ALL of my posts on r/wow get downvoted so I was SHOCKED it took off

[sweet echo]

Like on CD?

[plush tendon]

you have a better chance of meeting a random person who can help you

[mellow bridge]

kinda hard to answer that

it's when you get value out of it

🤷‍♂️

[strong forum]

If you mention pwar on reddit, it's automatically down vote, unless you scream that pwar sucks ass

[sweet echo]

I guess

It reduces each attack yeah

And then goes boom

[mellow bridge]

aegis yes

[balmy coral]

I always say how OP PWar is, but honestly it's because this discord has taught me not to suck.

[plush tendon]

Just in case if Ion is here.... 'prot war is weak and we need a big buff'

[strong forum]

Dmg buff

[mellow bridge]

you generally want to be rotating your defensives as much as possible while having something up for when you need it

[strong forum]

Preferably

[balmy coral]

Like BrM is strong, I am just awful at it and the wrong cov.

[sweet echo]

Yeah I think my biggest issue is spamming revenge lmao

[mellow bridge]

like you probably should never use aegis with anything more than a shieldblock

[sweet echo]

Got ya

[balmy coral]

I have aegis bound to charge

[plush tendon]

I bet if you say a class is weak enough, even when it isnt, eventually blizz will overbuff it XD

[mellow bridge]

a normal pull for me could look something like

[strong forum]

[sweet echo]

They won’t. Too much work

[balmy coral]

Am I the only one who binds trinkets to CD's.

[mellow bridge]

aegis on pull while getting enough rage and kicks going

[sweet echo]

That makes a lot of sense

[mellow bridge]

after aegis depending on the difficulty of the pack either demo or sw

[balmy coral]

Look, I have legit no room on my bars..

[mellow bridge]

and then you can just go from there

[sweet echo]

Dragonscale was like a filler for me, no rage for IP and SB coming off cd

[mellow bridge]

idk it's hard to give general advice on that

[balmy coral]

I have like 22 keybinds and I am filled

[strong forum]

[sweet echo]

So that’s when I pop it

[strong forum]

22?

[mellow bridge]

[strong forum]

35 is Standard my guy

[ionic fern]

Bruh, that's a text from my guide.

[mellow bridge]

idk what keys youre doing

[sweet echo]

Nah you definitely made a lot of sense with what you said haha. Pointed me in tbe right direction so much appreciated

[ionic fern]

[mellow bridge]

but if you dont have SB up

you should be running

probably

[sweet echo]

Yeah, my warrior is my alt so I’m talking about 18-20s rn

[mellow bridge]

mhm i guess dropping sb there and filling with smth else isnt too bad

[balmy coral]

I use 1-6, mouse+1-6, alt+1-4, then scroll up/down, Mouse button+ scroll up/down and alt+scroll up/down

[mellow bridge]

but in high keys SB is mostly a prerequisite to being able to tank the pack at all

and CDs are used to enhance that

only exception would be aegis or sw on weak hitting packs maybe

[sweet echo]

It’ll be higher keys where I gotta prioritize maintaining sb and probably using less revenge unless it procs

[strong forum]

What about shift and control

[mellow bridge]

You shouldnt have to do that, no

you have enough rage for SB and revenge

it's about deciding between IP and revenge

[sweet echo]

True

[balmy coral]

IP I find 3 uses: Running The Wall leggo and SB is on CD, I am mitigating spell damage or soaking something big

[sweet echo]

I guess that’s what I was really trying to say

[balmy coral]

Ctrl is my mouse button

[sweet echo]

Cuz you get SB so ez with leggo

[balmy coral]

So what you're saying is, dude can't read what you wrote?

[strong forum]

He's misinterpreting it

[ionic fern]

"If doing so provides a benefit."
It's also copied from the defensive usage part of the guide.

It's a off the GCD rage dump with a absorb attached to it.

[strong forum]

Dump it

[ionic fern]

There is a balance to the "IP vs Revenge" when it comes to Rage usage.
Am I rage capping due to using all CD's together? - Dump with IP as it's off the GCD.
Am I going to be taking a ton of damage? - IP (in addition to SB of course).
Do I want to deal a ton of damage? - Revenge.
etcetcetc.

You saying that you only use IP for those 3 cases you listed above is also sub-optimal play as you are going to be wasting Rage which is a big nono.

[balmy coral]

I do use IP to avoid capping rage.

[ionic fern]

Feels like i gotta make a big ass compendium for IP vs Revenge .

[balmy coral]

And as mentioned I use it to soak big damage coming in as well

[cyan onyx]

It really isn't that complicated lol. Oh well, I asked the same shit when I came in too so I get it.

[ionic fern]

That's what you would think.

😒

[plush tendon]

IDK, its very hard

thats like... two keybinds

[strong forum]

The biggest issue is, it's not big buttons

Like

They're both fairly inconsequential

Sure revenge is a big dmg button, but only because its "spammable"

Not because it does big dmg with 1 press

[blazing condor]

had a rogue screaming the entire dungeon that we didnt have enough time and had to push and we ended up completing the dungeon with like 4 minutes left

[ionic fern]

Just don't go playing paladin. They have SOTR and HOTP. Crazy shit.

[sweet summit]

sir

it's called wog now smh

[ionic fern]

My bad.

[strong forum]

Pally is actually pretty simple too

Sotr 95% of the time

[ionic fern]

I get tilted every time someone brings up the IP vs Revenge topic as it just feels so...easy to grasp.

[strong forum]

Wog only to heal others

[marsh plover]

As a healer my biggest issue with inviting a pwar is half of them spam IP until its their top healing by far and do less dps than me.

[ionic fern]

One deals damage..the other is a defensive one.
WWHICH ONE DO I PRESS.

[strong forum]

Or if you have like 8+sec of sotr up and need a heal on yourself

[mellow bridge]

all tanks are pretty simple

[strong forum]

Yes

Like watching Andy, you can see that he's barely ever pressing wog

And you can clearly tell when it's used

[mellow bridge]

those full hp heals during wings are so juicy

basically lay on hands

[modern brook]

Wtb convoke the mad

[strong forum]

Ya, insta topping

[modern brook]

Ppls problem with revenge vs ip is that ppl think tanks only role is to not die

So they swing super hard to only ip

So we have to swing super hard the other way and be like listen

Boss isn't hitting yoy

You're ignoring nothing

Just revenge the guy

[mellow bridge]

maybe im trying to ignore the pain of the last 100 wipes

[modern brook]

I have a cast sequence macro where if I have to cast ip 10 times in a minute I leave the group

[mellow bridge]

LOL

[plush tendon]

I press Ignore pain to dull my own internal pain

[ionic fern]

Unironically in this case it was the other way around if i understood correctly.
He was Revenging and someone tried to tell him that IP is also useful.

[plush tendon]

its not very effective

[modern brook]

Nah the guy was saying ip is " the best warrior had"

[plush tendon]

[modern brook]

Which is like some legion nostalgia

[ionic fern]

Unless i missed something (highly possible)

[blazing condor]

[modern brook]

We probably just latched to different words

[ionic fern]

Probably.

[modern brook]

Tbh it doesn't matter

You're tanking

[plush tendon]

its heroic

[modern brook]

If you die it wasn't your fault

[blazing condor]

[modern brook]

Unless it was

[ionic fern]

There's literally nothing wrong with what he's saying tho. 🤷 Maybe except the last part of "gearscore".

[modern brook]

SMH gearscore

[ionic fern]

But ya - it's too situation dependant.
Do you need IP? No? Then Revenge.

[plush tendon]

I ask for gearscore and IO score before inviting people to my keys

[blazing condor]

i ask for a personal letter

i wanna know what the retard pug thinks of themselves before i invite them

[modern brook]

Yall are nuts

I legit invite the first 4 non fotm classes that apply and send the key

[plush tendon]

I also need 3 non familial references and a credit check

[strong forum]

Social credit check is defo needed

And a CV

[plush tendon]

and it has to be faxed

[strong forum]

🇨🇳

[ionic fern]

Man now i'm curious as to what the initial topic of that reddit post was.

@balmy coral

[ocean reef]

Do I use Hungering Cold as hip sheathe or backsheathe? which is the best dps gain and survivability gain?

[strong forum]

Backsheathe has more haste

[ocean reef]

It's quicker to unsheathe than hip sheathe?

[strong forum]

Whereas Hipsheathe has more mastery

[strong forum]

Ya

[ocean reef]

Pog, I'll be sure to remember this when I get it by next expansion at this rate

[blazing condor]

[strong forum]

I got hc from vault

And normal dropped

So I'm good to go

[ocean reef]

Only took me since heroic week till this reset to get my first Jaithys drop

Truly hitting the lucky rolls this tier

[blazing condor]

havent done kt enough

only really care for matrix rn

[ebon geyser]

My gear sucks ugh..

[strong forum]

It's okay

Mine sucks too

[plush tendon]

yea, my gear sucks

that why I suck

its not my skillz obviously

[obsidian girder]

Hey, i usually play arms, got a lot crit. Playing in raid with EM is fine ?

(damage wise)

[ionic plank]

I think reprisal is more damage than em for prot

[plush tendon]

Should be

[ionic plank]

and has defensive value

[obsidian girder]

Mom will sim it

[plush tendon]

im not a raid min-maxer for damage though

[mellow bridge]

pretty sure Reprisal undersims quite a bit

as the APL doesnt really charge/intervene a whole lot

[ionic plank]

yeah idk how sims utilise reprisal

[obsidian girder]

Em 300 DPS ahead, but is 262, reprisal 235

[plush tendon]

Here are the top Kyrian Prot War logs for Nerzul

[obsidian girder]

Looks like it doesn't . matter

[modern brook]

Smh at that point just ask for a dinner date and a movie

[plush tendon]

Cant, Covid dude

gotta stay isolated

[plush tendon]

yea, NF prot tends to do 'more' damage in raid (not by a large margin) with Natures Fury

[strong forum]

reprisal doesnt sim very well

cuz charge weaving and intervening isnt enabled

reprisal is basically +200-250dps of what the sim says

[plush tendon]

If you can game spear a bit you could probably sneak in some easy pad damage

like on Soulrender

[strong forum]

EM is better on pad fights like Soulrender and Fatescribe

but on ST and Cleave Reprisal is equal

[obsidian girder]

Okay, thanks for your feedback

[ancient monolith]

you forgot to mention the ability to parry from behind

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-goodness-why-didnt-i-think-of-that-facepalm-the-simpsons-gif-16763233

[ancient monolith]

[jagged pier]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[plush tendon]

no crit, shit shield

[balmy coral]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/px6599/this_person_is_why_i_hate_boosting/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[sweet summit]

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[jagged pier]

we gaming now

[dense gate]

I'm guessing ilvl>all applies here but just gonna ask anyways, Sinsmasher is better right?

[viscid prairie]

Good on you bruh

[brittle owl]

spare parts to protect a perfect creation

[strong forum]

Ilvl

[viscid prairie]

Can’t wait to at least snag a 236

[dense gate]

crit mastery makes me sad but fair

[viscid prairie]

I don’t think Im gonna be able to tank fortified 15s next week without one

[sweet summit]

crit big dam mastery big block

[strong forum]

Especially on weapons ilvl > stats applies

[viscid prairie]

Unless I really clean house elsewhere on gear this week

[strong forum]

Trust

[viscid prairie]

I did one 15 last week and my chest was a haste vers 252 Axe though so that was sick

I beat a 218 WW monk in mists last night pretty handily 😆

[iron forum]

I love mists, I probably don't cast ignore pain more than a dozen times in that dungeon

All pump

[sick sentinel]

we swap show of force with ashen juggernaut? (mik)

[ancient monolith]

piercing verdict conduit

[strong forum]

I just play the tree that's pinned.

[sick sentinel]

err

it has ashen was the issue
literaly whats pinned lol

[strong forum]

Show of force is and irrelevant conduit

Same as AAP

AJ is good for ST

[sick sentinel]

okay so those 2 lanes are lit up, because i assuming the 3rd row is garbage never used it

[strong forum]

AAP is better on aoe but I don't play double potency for m+ as prot

[sick sentinel]

so, when i go to switch, for which ones?

[strong forum]

Switch what

[balmy coral]

Tank damage in most situations doesn't call for IP. Shield block reduces damage by so much that 40 rage is better spent doing damage. 3-4 DTPS isn't a lot. I use IP a fair bit more in M+ and on fights like Guardian/Syl. But also big damage mechanics like painsmith, fatescribe, the eye, etc. But truthfully melee swings just don't do enough in heroic raiding to justify it outside of rage capping.

[sick sentinel]

im assuming hes saying use the PV one because it's row is empowered for me now

[ionic fern]

I mean..i know how IP works. 👀
My point was that it's not as black and white as that conversation on reddit made it look to be.

[strong forum]

He just generalised which ones to prio

Not actually knowing what tree youre planning to play

Was just a general statement

[sick sentinel]

and then the other 2 entire trees aren't worth it unless immunity

[strong forum]

Even then its debatable

But yes, always mik as prot

[balmy coral]

He analyzed my logs of so he says and said I am a bad player because I don't spam IP. Nonwarriors don't understand how we work. And with damage being a bit lower than previous expansions, healers and tanks really need to contribute to damage.

[strong forum]

Don't post on reddit

Just don't :)

[balmy coral]

I wasn't posting about me, someone else.brought it up lol

[sick sentinel]

plebbit

[ionic fern]

Was that the long wall of text that was posted at the top? Cause i diddn't bother reading that.
I am 100% in favour of dealing damage but Ignore Pain still has a place in our rotation toolkit.

But yeah, don't post on reddit.

I did it like..twice i think?

Both times i couldn't be bothered with arguing.

[balmy coral]

The initial post had nothing to do with me, warriors or prot logs. It was about some idiot who joined our group was boosted and left b.c it wasn't a one shot.

[ionic fern]

😂

Sounds like a reddit worthy topic indeed.

[balmy coral]

His heroic KT was 66 DPS and he had 4 bosses under 1k dps

[ionic fern]

Did he just melee? 👀

What on earth.

[strong forum]

Heroic throw

Then proceed to floorpov

[ionic fern]

Gotta get that +2.5 DPS

[strong forum]

Free dam

[balmy coral]

Also, all of his recent parses we're on 9/28 which was the day after our run. Previously his best parses we're:

Tarragrue: 4.1k
Eye: 1.8k
The nine: 3.7k
Nerzul: 298
Soulrender: 7.6k
Painsmith 208
Guardian: 3.4k
Fate: 66.2
KT: 66.2
Syl: 375

[worn bear]

literal carry then. good lord

[strong forum]

Just drop it

It's in the past, who cares

[ionic fern]

That's wild. There's a surprising amount of people out there who think they know things but never actually look stuff up.

[mighty valley]

Those tiny parses are probably just the bosses where the carry group told the carries to die asap

[plush tendon]

Quick question; we had a aegis drop in our mythic raid team last night onto one of our boomies; they forgot to trade it. Is it possible/probably to open a ticket to extend or reopen the trade time if it hasn’t been equipped yet?

[wild sandal]

is the damage on spell refelct capped?

[sweet summit]

technically not

[strong forum]

Don't think so

[lofty widget]

no

[plush tendon]

Unlucky

[sick sentinel]

mists 15 ez, beat 14 pf to get it, hopefully beat this one

[silk edge]

hey guys, can someone remind my what is the website that sums up most popular builds, talents, gear etc for every class/spec

mythic something ... 😅

[strong forum]

Subcreation

[silk edge]

ah yes! thx mate

[ancient monolith]

asked in #ui-addons-manager but I'll ask here as well. Anyone know how to update Venture plan addon?

[sick sentinel]

251 heal monk wants to join my 15 mists 👀

[plush tendon]

welcome to the good times

15 keys have value

so you can be quite picky on who you bring 🙂

[drifting heath]

do u guys recommend going Bolster on guardian?

[strong forum]

no

[languid pumice]

does anyone know if shadowcore oil is better for m+/Raid or sharpening stones?

[strong forum]

makes no real difference

oil makes phantom fire better

thats about it

[languid pumice]

ah fair, ty

[sick sentinel]

i wonder if i can ghost buster that freeze wolf in mists, can confirm it works on PF large slime 1st boss

[drifting oasis]

If I get the wall legendary for bosses where shield block isn't so useful, what missives should i get? versatility & crit?

[sick sentinel]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=310493/50ul-tr4p

alot harder to predict where the wolf would spawn, but since it chases could tell someone to lead it into trap and turn him immune, dunno if it still despawns.

[strong forum]

haste vers

also the literally only relevant boss where Wall should be played is Sylvanas mythic

[drifting oasis]

what about eye and painsmith?

[strong forum]

not relevant bosses

[drifting oasis]

they are to me

[strong forum]

and on Painsmith Reprisal is better

[jagged pier]

40% wall 36% rep on slyv mythic nome

[strong forum]

well rep is more dmg on sylv

so ofc that is seeing play now

once i figured my timings out on sylv i would also play rep

[craggy pilot]

FUCK YES

IM BLESSED AFTER 3 SHIT VAULTS

[plush tendon]

woo!

[strong forum]

grats

can i get that helmet tho

[craggy pilot]

oh wow didnt even see that 😄

i have 239 helmet

my ilvl went from 241 to 243 🤣

how am i so low ilvl... feel like my gear is rly well off

[hollow sun]

[craggy pilot]

holy shit my sham vault also loaded ❤️

[strong forum]

i had a dogshit belt im not even using

1/9 vault slot gamer here

[craggy pilot]

rip

for opening vaults (on my DK) what amount of trinkets are most beneficial? DPS or Def?

like i dont need a shield, so thinking ill open in unholy?

[strong forum]

unless you can get matrix, scale or aegis

yes

[craggy pilot]

dont have raid

only 1 M+

[strong forum]

then unholy

imo

[craggy pilot]

ye i thought so

😢

guess my vault luck is used up on my warr and shaman 😄

[strong forum]

i mean its not a terrible trinket

[craggy pilot]

is it better than 213 Matrix?

or 233 anima emitter?

[strong forum]

defo

ya prolly

[craggy pilot]

so which 2 to use?

Anima Emitter + Viscera?

oh i also have 242 Slimy Consumptive Organ

[strong forum]

Emitter + viscera yes

[craggy pilot]

Ok will try

Maybe I'll use matrix+viscera in the same dung to compare DPS 😅

[strong forum]

A 213 matrix isn't gonna do shit

Low Str and low proc

[craggy pilot]

ah the proc chance is determined by the ilvl?

i thought only the dmg was

[strong forum]

Not the proc chance

The proc itself is just weak as fuck

Not worth anything

[craggy pilot]

ah ok

[strong forum]

It'll be less than 100 hps and dps

[craggy pilot]

ye its like 4.7k

[strong forum]

Ya that's at best like 120 dps/hps

• the lack of Str

Compared to anima emitter

[craggy pilot]

the HC is 7k

[strong forum]

Ik

So it's almost 50% worse

[craggy pilot]

😄

damn rip

OMG

my luck keeps going

fucking my pala getting 246 shield ❤️

had 210 damn thats BIG

[cyan onyx]

Hell yeah dude

[mellow bridge]

I didnt fail my trial for a 10/10 guild today

[cyan onyx]

THE Ws KEEP COMING

[mellow bridge]

from WR ~2500 to 420 if it works out on sunday too

[mellow bridge]

and nice

shields are always giga

[craggy pilot]

3 good vaults out of 4

im omega happy

[mellow bridge]

I went from 246 boots to 252 boots

small upgrade so I'm happy enough

better than the last 3 vaults lul

[craggy pilot]

😄

those are about the same upgrades i can get now on my warr

or a new Aegis could be pog

got 226 Aegis

[ocean reef]

Good luck friendo

[craggy pilot]

dont understand what this means but sounds neato

[mellow bridge]

World rank

Wr 400 would be the 400th guild to kill myth sylv

[craggy pilot]

ahh mythic guild okok 🙂

[mellow bridge]

Basically I'd go from a non ce guild to one that gets it very comfortably every content

[mellow bridge]

Ty

[sweet summit]

pogging for u

[craggy pilot]

and here i am in a casually barely AOTC guild 😄

who raids on days i cannot attend :<

[ebon geyser]

idk what im doing send help

[mellow bridge]

Have you tried asking questions

[worn bear]

loot big shield. get paid, get laid, gatorade

[ebon geyser]

I just don't know where to start

Like all domination stuff is from cache for quest and wb

And also vault

I can make the NF Lego but I don't wanna make it yet since I haven't clear content

[mellow bridge]

I mean

How can we help you if we don't know what you need help with

Do you not know how to play the class? Have you read the wowhead guide?

Do you not know how to get gear and sockets and stuff?

What's the issue

[blazing condor]

Can someone link the parse bell curve thing

I need it

[oak condor]

Hello, what soulbind do you want to be as nightfae for m+?

And what trinkets?

[ebon geyser]

I mean I have read the guides but i still feel squishy etc. Idk if niya is the go to after 70 ren etc

I care more about raid than m+

[mighty valley]

Log a raid and share the results, that's the best way we can help

[sick sentinel]

FIANLLYYYLYLYLYLY

after ages

a dom socket

damn happy

even if im downgrading from 236

[ebon geyser]

Also should I make the Lego from NF or wait

[mellow bridge]

The NF leggo is for pure damage

Basically only for getting good parses on farm

Just use reprisal/wall depending on the fight on prog

[sick sentinel]

can i go unholy set as a tank?

raid wise

[ebon geyser]

I only have reprisal

[sick sentinel]

i did lfr and all i got was the both the hands for dom sockets

[high folio]

you can if thats all you have but blood is more damage for tanks

[sick sentinel]

ty

[teal swift]

@ionic fern thanks for all your help, keys are comfy af

[idle swan]

We just +2'd a 16 SD

I feel really good about my damage this run 😄

[sick sentinel]

u should

really nice job

doing more dmg than a mage tho

xD

[cyan onyx]

I got my first 90 parse on a boss

Big prot pumper

[brave jetty]

putting up numbers is the only thing keeping heroic interesting for me at this point

and my OT brought his alt and is doing 2k DPS and can't keep aggro

i don't get to play the game i guess

[obtuse monolith]

Grats!
I’m just shocked that it’s The Eye bracers. Literally never see those drop on any difficulty. Just KT bracers to screw us out of Helm, DC, Jaithys

Pugging N because my shoulders are 213 is fun. Have to slow my roll to stop peeling aggro off the low gear cotank

[river star]

Hey guys, I'm a kyrian arms main. Going to start dabbling in prot. Is Mikanikos best for prot in keys too? How are folks handling multispec conduits if both use that soulbind?

[plush tendon]

check the pins 🙂

theres a milk build for arms and prot

[river star]

Thanks will do. I actually looked for pins first but was being a noob and not seeing it on mobile...

[ocean reef]

I pog for you on a daily basis

👀

[sweet summit]

[ocean reef]

[primal cape]

My 1st 22, happy! But i feel i did not make enough damages

[strong forum]

Big

But yeah dmg could be a little higher but it's tyr so bosses live forever

Dunno what regular numbers are in soa, plka did 7.4k last week in a 26(?) I did 6.1k the week so I also have to work on myself

[jagged pier]

i did like 6k somthing the other day with the wrong talents

:Yep:

[strong forum]

I think getting off huge reflects is a big contributor in soa

So I think actually the higher the key, the bigger your overall is gonna be

[oblique garnet]

@sweet summit did 9.8k yesterday Reprisal 📈

[blazing condor]

Yeah if you can line etherdivers and 3rd boss

SR gnna be like your top 5 dps

[strong forum]

Reprisal owns

[blazing condor]

wepwisal

[orchid frigate]

what is that triggering stomping on 3rd boss in SoA?

[blazing condor]

you walk right under him and he'll stomp

can be a bit inconsistent

[orchid frigate]

sounds scary

[blazing condor]

mind that the stomp also hits others so make sure you're not stacked on other people

nah you just walk in > he starts casting > you walk back

with SR

[orchid frigate]

ah ok

[blazing condor]

you take a bit of damage still

but you reflect the DOT it would apply

[orchid frigate]

nice!

ty

[mental scarab]

Oh

Cool

[orchid frigate]

ugh i've fallen behind so much in dps in raids due to not having my dom set bonus

almost getting out-dpsd by my bdk co-tank

[blazing condor]

yeah dom set is just op

dont sweat yourself over parses if you dont have it

[jagged pier]

just get gear and press buttons

[strong forum]

And also get gear

[blazing condor]

and press buttons

[strong forum]

And also buttons

[blazing condor]

gear as well

[jagged pier]

yer gears actually huge

[blazing condor]

⚙️ 📈

[jagged pier]

me and nome were comparing sims yesterday

[orchid frigate]

haha

[steel mist]

hello guys can you check this guardian kill log since i feel like im getting chunked so hard https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ap3jRDKr1HNfgxZv#fight=18&type=auras&source=8

is it the shield block uptime not good enough

my co tank is relatively new to bdk spec so i had to help him in most of the fight

[blazing condor]

Just comparing with my logs it seems like obliterate is hitting you way harder than it should

meaning maybe people arent soaking it properly

shield block% is fine but it could definitely be higher as well

[steel mist]

I cant parse or do good mechanics when half of the playerbase on the raid is pugs

[blazing condor]

https://gyazo.com/0aa2db8f0154dedf0c3a56b5abe4fdbf

this was my spread when i only went for parses

https://gyazo.com/28a7acb4be9a00d792d49cd69778b514

your looks like this

[steel mist]

yeah people were janky with soaks

[blazing condor]

then thats probably it 🤷‍♂️

you can probably check that in the logs to see how people were soaking

but im not savvy enough to do that

[steel mist]

and the co tank was slow on the taunt swaps that is why i was getting clipped

[sweet summit]

wth where??

[oblique garnet]

Mists

[jagged pier]

i think we should ban mists for pumping like NW its just too ez tbh

[blazing condor]

gate keeping tank dps

[sweet summit]

nah mists is fine

[jagged pier]

trying pumping in Top or somthing

[sweet summit]

NW is hack

that's impressive

but not 10k yet 👀

[oblique garnet]

Well in top most ive done is only 7.5k

[blazing condor]

[jagged pier]

[sweet summit]

ToP cringe dungeon anyway

[strong forum]

Well it's top

If you do more than 8k there you're a monk

Or you played mdi

[oblique garnet]

Challenge accepted

[sweet summit]

are you playing the stand still power or is that just deswind tech

[oblique garnet]

Im just taking stats

The crit/mastery powers

[sweet summit]

ah okay

[oblique garnet]

Im not sure if one stat amp + barbs is better for overall

Basically the only difference in damage comes from pulls

[strong forum]

Can't really play siegebreaker with reprisal

[sweet summit]

depends on how early you ger barbs tbh

oh yea true

[oblique garnet]

Always have to do some limit testing and making sure that there is never just one pack pulls

But tbf that mists we had good luck for maze

Allowing more big pulls after 2nd boss

[strong forum]

Fuck it, pull 120%

[sweet summit]

yeah lmfao

pad that overall

[oblique garnet]

No im an ethical gamer

[sweet summit]

[oblique garnet]

No more freehold and all dungeon in SL are bad so no fun pulls

[sweet summit]

true

ardenweald owns tho

[strong forum]

Ez solution

Do DoS

Do everything in ardenweald

Then leave key

Only do the content that is fun!

[oblique garnet]

Tbf you can do big dam in essentially every key as long as your downtime is minimal

[strong forum]

Top and soa are pretty much preventing you from that

Packs too spread out, pulls are small sized

[oblique garnet]

Depends on the level of ook ook you go

Always be limit testing if your healer can heal somewhat well

[strong forum]

No trust

[oblique garnet]

Well im usually the one not dying

[strong forum]

Last healer let me drop to 40% before I even got a single hot

Fuck

That

[oblique garnet]

Just heal more

[strong forum]

10k hps not enough

[oblique garnet]

If you need to do that much hps youre doing something wrong 🤔

[strong forum]

No, just a big pull

And target capped dps :^)

[oblique garnet]

But youd need to take so much damage for that

[strong forum]

LS + IP easily nets you 10k hps on your own

So idk chief

[oblique garnet]

For the instant you use it yes

[strong forum]

Yeah I didn't say what kind of timeframe

[oblique garnet]

[strong forum]

Na but generally I'm around 5k hps

When the pull is dicey

[oblique garnet]

[strong forum]

At end of dungeon im at like 2.5-2.8k

But I've only done like 3 tank keys in 4 weeks

So what do I know

[jagged pier]

u tnk more skyhold weeklies

[strong forum]

I mean

That's pretty much all I've tanked

1x soa 1x DoS 1x mists

That's 2 weeks right there

Okay that God awful hoa aswell

FUCK hoa

[jagged pier]

2 chests tho

[strong forum]

Idc

My dmg sucked

I can't pad well enough

Need more gear

But for more gear I need to play more

[jagged pier]

yikes playing more?

[strong forum]

And by that I mean raid

[jagged pier]

yikes

[strong forum]

Love being unable to get gear outside of mythic raid

And even then you don't get gear outside of vault

[oblique garnet]

Just raid 8)

[strong forum]

Not worth

[jagged pier]

say not worth but u complain about my gear

[strong forum]

Yes

[jagged pier]

KEKW

[sick sentinel]

guys m+ wise i have now 4 dom item sockets so im using 4 of the pins by order, so whats left is the one taht gives u hp, does it matter, the slot left is helm, but i have a big helm already a 252 one, should i still farm it?

so far i have seen crazy improvements with 4 shards despite mostly downgrading ilvl, thats why i feel its crazy

chest wrist hands shoulders all now are at 226 instead of using the 236 ones

[strong forum]

5th one is not as important

[jagged pier]

zed or Jas is HUGE :

[sick sentinel]

im using this Shard of Kyr
Shard of Dyz
Shard of Cor
Shard of Bek

[blazing condor]

Dyz nuts lol

[sick sentinel]

kyr is nuts tho

[sick sentinel]

but is it worth it?

[jagged pier]

not really

[ebon geyser]

See some of u ppl keys I need to lose the m+ fear

[sick sentinel]

if it makes you feel any better i constantly and almost consistantly fuck up in m+

[strong forum]

M+ is scary

Just look at this pull

https://clips.twitch.tv/ShyFrailHabaneroDancingBaby-IN_2wmXB7cxswt0V

[sick sentinel]

attempted pugging my own 15 keys (2 of them) and people left both of em 😦

[strong forum]

Frog scary

[jagged pier]

tbf i couldnt see the swirlies

nividia is trash

[sweet summit]

[strong forum]

Works on my machine

[jagged pier]

they updated my driver all ground effects flicker or arent seen

seems to be a legit issue

[strong forum]

I think I have the latest driver

think

[jagged pier]

yer but we dont have the same card

[strong forum]

Not certain

[sick sentinel]

skyhold prot in a nutshell

[sweet summit]

neva give up

[jagged pier]

i did a night of painsmith without fires on the floor

[strong forum]

Ya but it's like 90% the same driver

[sick sentinel]

er, sometimes early installing drivers for things can actually fuck it up too like gpu

just not coded right with X so it just decides not to play nicely

[fringe needle]

i've been tanking sylv recently (usually play dps) and she comes close to instagibbing me with her triple shot, i was wondering if someone could give me a tip about that fight

[jagged pier]

press block

[fringe needle]

it felt as if her triple shot is not blockable tbh, idk like it was really bad

like i tank 9 bosses just yoloing it hard, then comes sylv

[jagged pier]

its blockable and does magic damage

[fringe needle]

ok so block and reflect, padding with IP

but to do that i feel like i gotta constantly save high rage

[jagged pier]

i just block tbh

[wild hemlock]

damn and i was stoked with an 8.5k in nw lol. used a spear and orb though so really doesnt count

[lilac sorrel]

Hey bros, neeed some help

can i know how jaithys, the prison blade work?

[jagged pier]

#arms or #fury

[lilac sorrel]

it say "use consume a lesser weapon destroying it ultterly to feed the power of jaithys, what does that mean

#fury

[oblique garnet]

tbf my warrior is basically full bis geared

[oblique garnet]

it buffs the weapon giving it a main stat proc and a damage proc at max rank

[lilac sorrel]

i have the 246 jaithys and i consume 236 Rimebinder's Runeblade is that corrert?

[oblique garnet]

yes

jaithys can consume any weapon except another jaithys as long as it is atleast 163 ilvl

[lilac sorrel]

arh ok i have it for two weeks and until today only i know it can comsume item

[lilac sorrel]

any BIS weapon for comsume?

or Rimebinder's Runeblade is the best?

[oblique garnet]

it doesnt matter

[fringe needle]

just buy some shitty green weapon off the ah

[oblique garnet]

^

[lilac sorrel]

arh i see

thanks you my warrior bros

can i ask one more dumb question, i have 252 titanic ocular gland and 246 old warrior soul which one with best with overwhelming power crystal for mythic +

[wild hemlock]

yeah im only 248 with the absorb dom maxed out. my main (ele shaman) is proggin on pain and i def dont raid on my warrior haha.

[fringe needle]

sim it. raidbots.com

[wild hemlock]

getting a phial made such a huge difference for pumpage though. amazing

[sick sentinel]

i didn't realize that +14's only drop 236

until i completed a 14 the other day

[lilac sorrel]

HELP AGAIN sorry im a dumb, for jaithys, the prison blade am i suppose to comuse item until the stat turn 0?

sorry i juyst realize i in protection lol

[sick sentinel]

why OWPC though, i thought it was trash

[strong forum]

Opc is good

Ows is pretty good too, but better for arms

[dusky canopy]

Check the pins in your name now lmao

So in 18 HoA last night my lock was bitching that I wasn't pulling big every 3 minutes around his cds and that's why he was third overall

Even though we had 6-8 mobs on every pull except 2 🙃

Also checked logs and he missed infernal 3 times

Tanks fault

[jagged pier]

well u pulled mobs out of his infernal

[dusky canopy]

It's not like infernal walks or anything

[jagged pier]

initial hit doesnt

[dusky canopy]

Fair I guess not everyone can click infernal onto stationary mobs at the start of a pull

[sick sentinel]

since when opc good, i sweari talked about it with someone and "it isn't the greatest" was the consensus

[dusky canopy]

It's bis for arms

[strong forum]

Well it isn't thd greatest, but it's still good lol

And bis for arms ye

[dusky canopy]

Do you guys do the pull in HoA where after 2nd boss you pull the dog pack with the pack before boss 3? And if so how would you do it pull everything into the room before boss 3 or pull everything into boss 2 room? (That was also a complaint from the 18hoa apparently)

[lofty widget]

pull back into the first room

[dusky canopy]

I'm going to try that pull some tonight

[jagged pier]

i just pull back into first room, but ive only doen the double pull once in a 20 with a very good group

i usually sperate them out tbh

[dusky canopy]

I feel like it's not a reliable pull unless there's coordination because there's alot to make sure doesnt cast

[jagged pier]

only sins and bolt tbh

[lofty widget]

alternatively you can pull the second pack onto third boss if you wanna save a pull

it's a bit easier imo

[jagged pier]

if u stack them u can just kite out to the 2nd boss room and los

if its too much

[median tulip]

Loyal Beasts?

[dusky canopy]

Agreed I dont think it'd be to much as long as bolts are being interrupted and the ranger doesn't buff dogs

[jagged pier]

i mean u dont need to stop the cast of that as u can just kite

[dusky canopy]

Off topic, without reprisal we shoot for 60% block uptime?

[median tulip]

That makes interrupting the rest of the stuff a whole lot harder though

[jagged pier]

i mean @strong forum has done like 70% before @dusky canopy

but if your not running bolster etc yus

[dusky canopy]

Ok so 47% is a bit low got it

[jagged pier]

yes

[dusky canopy]

Effective block uptime is what really matters though?

[jagged pier]

yes

thats what i mean 60% blocked hits

i dont talk in uptime

[dusky canopy]

Oh I meant like he missed 3 casts of it not that the hit missed the mobs..

Whats considered "perfect" blocked hits without reprisal?

[jagged pier]

85%+

[strong forum]

Without*

[jagged pier]

73% then think nome did around that

[strong forum]

With reprisal it's 85%, without reprisal like 60-70%

My blocked hits with seismic + am was like 69%

In like 3 keys, so it seems consistent

[jagged pier]

EM mists want that like 73%?

[modern brook]

Nice

[strong forum]

Lemme check

[dusky canopy]

Shoot for 69% blocked hits got it

[jagged pier]

it was stupid high i remeber that

[dusky canopy]

[blazing condor]

nice name

much?

[dusky canopy]

I know right lmao

[strong forum]

68.72% @jagged pier

[jagged pier]

oh

i thought it was higher

[strong forum]

I had 77% with wall+bolster in S1

Maybe that's what you remember

[blazing condor]

no need to block if you can just stack crit and parry

[strong forum]

You mean this

Almost perfect hits...

[sweet echo]

Should I use Mikanikos for Kyrian. Or Kleia? Or Pelagod. Gonna be doing 18-20s on this toon this week I think

Ooh the pins

Thanks pins!

[jagged pier]

omg someone read them

👀

[wind pendant]

Wait there anew not any pinned messages?

[cyan onyx]

[strong forum]

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