protection

[craggy pilot]

people 10/10 and they have no idea what to do

[sick sentinel]

slot for reverb?

[craggy pilot]

shoes i think

[sick sentinel]

thought so

[craggy pilot]

head+shoulder is dom socket

[sick sentinel]

still haste versa eh

or crit

[craggy pilot]

haste vers will serve u best

you can go crit if you go full dps though

[sick sentinel]

crit seems to make sense because you get parry which triggers revenge

[craggy pilot]

if going for dmg, just sim it

[sick sentinel]

i think im going to go with crit this time

thats my sitaution with leggos

[obtuse monolith]

Seismic must just wreck Torghast too

[sturdy sable]

Im running 36% crit its glorious

[sick sentinel]

prot warriors thirsting for haste and crit like that blood elf first boss of magister terrace.
"i must have more! my hunger knows no bounds!"

[copper lion]

on the NW route, how do you skip that gatekeeper next to the wall, people say to hug wall but it still pulled when I did that?

[modern brook]

After first. Oss?

[copper lion]

no the very first courtyard after the incinerator

next to stairs that are blocked till you kill firs boss

[tough silo]

how often would you guys say you use ignore pain over revenge in a raid environment?

[modern brook]

Not often

[mellow bridge]

@copper lion well they're right

You just have to hug the green magic wall at the stairs

Best is to actually straight up walk against it and just move sideways-ish

[mighty valley]

IP isn't on the gcd so it's not really a choice... most of the time you can just IP whenever you'd otherwise waste rage

[serene steppe]

Anyone know if you can block Rangers Heartseeker on Sylvanas? the 3 debuff attack

Im getting murdered by it but logs dont show that its getting blocked

[bright flax]

You can use spell reflect to mitigate some dmg

And defensive

[serene steppe]

I know I can deflect one attack but the damage I take from the other attacks is much higher than on other warriors I compare logs with

Logs dont show it can be blocked so I wasnt doing it but that seems to be the only difference

[shut summit]

you arent looking at logs correctly then

its 2 diff spells hitting you, one is physical and blockable, other is magic and not

[serene steppe]

ah right you are, I was only looking at the magic one

Thanks!

[modern brook]

[copper lion]

@mellow bridge i did that and it didnt work

especially not with pugs

[modern brook]

So it did work but someone didn't do it

[gloomy cradle]

as long as you run facing the green wall it works 100% of the time

but yeah i too have seen many a pug fail at this ..

[true sparrow]

You can definitely block. If i miss it comming it takes me to like 20% on heroic. If i shieldblock it only takes me to 50.

[velvet acorn]

hey guys, i wanna ask a question about cooldown management

like when do we wanna use it?

cause I did an SD 18 and it didnt go well

[sick sentinel]

I'm the total opposite person you want to ask about that specific in m+, yet I play mostly m+

Only made it to 1800 some in game score

Cuz cd usage for me for a 11 or 13 would be drastically different from your 18

Not quite there but approaching literal 1 shot territory in like 4 key levels

[velvet acorn]

i use avatar when i can each pull

but the shield wall

do we only use it on a pull we know will hurt? like the triple pull on SD?

the first one?

[last pebble]

everyones most pref WA for prot warrior?

[oblique garnet]

You can be very liberal on SW usage as its damage reduction its better used when you are running out of mitigation abilities or you know pack does alot of magic/unblockable damage

[velvet acorn]

thanks 🙂

[lilac jungle]

What I’ve learned about CD usage in M+ as dps or tank is to just blast your spells on cooldown, and as you gain experience you will learn the times when you actually need to save a CD for an pull/boss

[sweet summit]

COOLDOWNS ON COOLDOWN

[jagged pier]

☝️

[lime urchin]

Just tell your dps to do more dps and you don’t even need shieldwall!

[sweet summit]

[strong forum]

Not wrong

[mental scarab]

Sang is scary dho

And i was today years old when i learnd that the shield you get for last boss also lowers all the dmg you take

[strong forum]

Kek

It also resets necrotic

[craggy pilot]

What shield resets necrotic? 😮

[jagged pier]

The naru

[craggy pilot]

Ohh the dung shield

Thought a shield that dropped from last boss somewhere

[blazing condor]

On use remove any harmful effect on you

30s cooldown

[blazing condor]

has TOP been fixed yet?

[oblique garnet]

Wdym

[blazing condor]

xav wing

gladiators not working

[oblique garnet]

Epic

[jagged pier]

Havent done top in weeks last tho the first one bugged and became active mid boss fight

[blazing condor]

epic

[errant dagger]

Just be sure u got that shieldblock uptime going well then u should be more or less fine and don’t get hit by the fkn thrusts

[blazing condor]

or the traps

[errant dagger]

Ah or those yeah basically that use interrupts as many as possible and shield wall incase casters are fucking ur life up but it’s very situational worst case just kite that shit

[jagged pier]

Or the animated weps that hit with magic damage

[blazing condor]

[primal cape]

stun the guy while casting animated weps and you have no animated weps spawning for 15 sec, it helps

[primal cape]

i find the way to unbug these guys : spam aoe on feets, works on every one of them (maybe someone said it)

[blazing condor]

i didnt know

[primal cape]

i dont want to do these 7% or more on platforms 👀

[blazing condor]

how much DR is the fall damage thing you get from mikanikos?

and for how long

ok its 20% for 15 secs

honestly

kinda worth to use that trait for DOS and jump down to the platform on the very first pull

🤔 you dont take fall damage from storming right?

[strong forum]

I guess?

I don't think so no

Maybe

[blazing condor]

hmm

either way

free DR on first pack DOS

i dont say no to that

[strong forum]

Also at the boss of ardenweald

[blazing condor]

then again youd lose a charge

[strong forum]

But like... Its fairly irrelevant, you can basically never proc the fall dmg stuff

[blazing condor]

nah but like

whats the difference

free repairs?

im not online so cant remember the tree

dunno what youd lose

[strong forum]

You lose nothing

Both are equally worthless

It's just with the repairs you're less likely to have a broken shield mid pull

[blazing condor]

yeah i run with the repairs

[strong forum]

Save some 💰

[blazing condor]

this is like the only consistent setup i see for the fall damage

cus you run and jump from oyur mount onto the platform

[strong forum]

DoS is like the 1 dungeon where you can actually engage combat and get the buff

[blazing condor]

yep

[strong forum]

Ardenweald boss

And the platforms

[blazing condor]

well do you really take fall damage on dealer in DOS tho?

as a pwarr you just SR the cast

maybe when you engage

if thats what you mean

[strong forum]

Well, if you jump up

You can reliably get the DR

[blazing condor]

yeah itd probably be worth

[strong forum]

Idk the boss itself isn't dangerous

Not for tank atleast

[blazing condor]

unless you got one melee dps who keeps passing lightning

but then you can just fuck off and give it to someone else

[strong forum]

Well that's just called a mistake

[blazing condor]

[strong forum]

When you don't manage the lightning

[blazing condor]

there are probably a few placees where you can reliably trigger this

but i dont think its that needed mostly

like

you can jump off the stairs after the borers in PF

but thats DR for like

1 pack

[strong forum]

It's just not reliable anywhere

But that row is inconsequential

[blazing condor]

its not exactly worth playing around for sure

[strong forum]

If you try really hard you can maybe find more uses

[blazing condor]

but if you can get it automatically

then why not

but yeah

only DOS is probably worth

you can probably trigger it on the pack before mechagon as well

just jump from the previous platform

you could use it in HOA as well in the first part around the left shards

fuck it imma try it and see if it has any practical use

that doesnt force me to play around it

the threshold for taking fall damage is the same for every race right? even with DRs? Like pandas have

or do i need to fall from a higher height because im a panda

to proc

[strong forum]

Only rogues and ferals take fall dmg at a later point I think

Idk if panda is the same or just takes less dmg

[blazing condor]

my dummy thicc panda would skew my research

[ionic plank]

kinda nice to charge down on that boss in dos tho for reprisal

how much DR is it

[blazing condor]

20% for 15 seocnds

[ionic plank]

okay that's kinda big

I usually just spell reflect it and stay down to give people the option to fuck up their portal

[blazing condor]

yeah same

[sick sentinel]

Incoming 249 viscera

I can feel it plz God no lol

[strong forum]

Isnt it tuesday

Ye it is Tuesday

Had me worried for a sec there 😅

[ionic fern]

I'm at a dilemma..do i want to do another key to get a 2nd reward from my vault or not.

Missing just 1 key.

[sick sentinel]

I'll become heal tank...

[ionic fern]

👀

[sick sentinel]

Nope I already did like 15 seperate keystones this week and more that never completed

[ionic fern]

[sick sentinel]

Ah, when you're a shit player pugging with people from Mexico your in Canada... things are bound to go wrong...

Frequent lag issues and pure language barrier, not accounting for fuck up they might make or you.

[ionic fern]

Wait..people communicate in pugs?

I just join a group and go.

👀

[sick sentinel]

I don't try to be mean or racist but how in the living fuck am I supposed to tell some dude that only speaks Brazil that if he doesn't go pick up the banana the monkey boss takes it and eats it and heals, but only this guy can do banana mechanic bc he has banana debuff

[strong forum]

"What's the route?"

Just go

[strong forum]

Yell

[ionic fern]

I'm confused tho.

[strong forum]

But idk, in Europe there's a much bigger language barrier than in NA i think

[ionic fern]

How are you playing with people with a language barrier?

Are you on a non English server?

[strong forum]

I think NA only has "English" servers

[ionic fern]

That's what is confusing.

😂

[north iris]

you don't join lfr then problem solved

[sick sentinel]

East coast na sever pretty sure a52

[ionic fern]

:/

[north iris]

also how is that confusing, we in EU en server land with german/portuguese/spanish/italian/russian servers all the time

[sick sentinel]

But yeah, not being able to properly communicate in a short non robotic with others is a drag imo

[north iris]

just the common american fellow does not think of multilingualism

[ionic fern]

That's what EU is going through most of the time. 😂

[north iris]

only of differences

[ionic fern]

Most people speak some level of English still tho so it's not a big issue here.

[north iris]

is it now

it's only an issue if you must communicate micro

which by that point you're already in a pickle, language barrier or not

[ionic fern]

If you must communicate micro you leave.

[sick sentinel]

I did lfr ep and there was some Brazil tank screaming in another language he had his whispers open and the entire raid was attempting to use Google translate to explain taunt off to him

[north iris]

today on LFR adventures, noone cares

[sick sentinel]

Nobody could even communicate with him and we stuck on that boss for like 45 minutes cuz we can't kick him protection

[north iris]

imagine

40 weird gamers

trying to teach LFR mechanics

what a day

[sick sentinel]

And I just think at that point with all the other fees is where it crosses the line into absurdism

[north iris]

can't you just solo tank on lfr

seems more appropriate than trying to teach someone a language

and hating on them because they don't speak yours

[sick sentinel]

Moments like that that I never want to play again ever immediately after

[ionic fern]

I would just leave the group. 🤷

You're a tank, you'll join another in like 2 minutes.

Then again..i wouldn't do LFR at all so..

[sick sentinel]

It's fun if you are drunk or high

[north iris]

what if it was a 12 yo kid you just spent 45 minutes yelling at

[ionic fern]

Eee...no.

[jagged pier]

Id shout at them some more

To

Get good

[north iris]

reported for abuse

it's official

[jagged pier]

I mean obviously u didnt live in xbox lobbies back in the day

[north iris]

jakey hits kids

[jagged pier]

Zoomers man

Easily tilted

[sick sentinel]

I dunno just you get into lfr you know nobody and Noone talks, then boss is pulled and it goes to he'll ppl raging and leaving

[sweet summit]

old man yells at cloud

[sick sentinel]

Just such a horrendous experience in my eyes

[north iris]

it's the cons of fast and accessible media

there's no context

just titles

[strong forum]

What did I do 😧

[sweet summit]

i don

t know

[sick sentinel]

Also there is no jailers hand spell in lfr... that's the stun or knockback or 1 shot beam

[jagged pier]

Hes talking about me being old Nome

[sick sentinel]

So yeah you just avoid the stu bro git gud

[strong forum]

Erga is the implied zoomer

We're the implied boomers

[sweet summit]

fast

👴

[strong forum]

Bro

The amount of yelling at zoomers that has been done

In the cod days

Good times

Back then I was the zoomer tho

Ripping ass and clapping cheeks in mw2

Making people mad

[sick sentinel]

Lfr is legitimately a waking nightmare and should be removed putting it at normal instead making it easier to kick players

[strong forum]

Eh, worked out for me so far

Just need someone to take the lead

[ionic fern]

Don't do lfr...

Easy as that.

[strong forum]

But yeah, anything involving random matching is dangerous in wow

[sick sentinel]

I dunno just if it's 90% commented as being a bad thing why don't they just delete it or make proper changes

Delete lfr difficulty maybe but not lfr

[strong forum]

Cuz more people would complain

[sick sentinel]

Cod 4 RPD stopping power and deep impact, that was me

[primal cape]

20SD coming, should i pull 2 or 3 packs ? (no ashen)

[sick sentinel]

Free idea: lfg mythic 0's same as lfd but puts you into mythic 0 that you have at least 1 boss unsaved in (say someone kicked)

You could use it to practice routes and get gear

[north iris]

what are you on about

exactly

[primal cape]

lol ok

[north iris]

that's not a yes or no answer

it will depend on the affix, on your comp, on the skill of the players inside your comp, on the route you're planning to take

[primal cape]

got both 19 sd and some 20, but no fortified sd20

[north iris]

i'd argue if you want to time it and you're pugging play it safe

nothing beats a huge pull where noone knows what's going on and noone does as they're meant to for that instant deplete

[ionic fern]

Even better idea still..don't do LFG.
Just join a normal group and be done with it faster.

[north iris]

long live the 8 stacks of bursting

[hollow brook]

the legendary drop in l3 TC doesnt drop 100%?

[sweet summit]

they are (as long as you've done the intro quests, and kill a boss on layer 3 or higher)

[hollow brook]

I'm not sure but Reprisal drop in 2 different spot: 1. Tower of the Damned other The Upper Reaches right?

[sweet summit]

tower of the damned=torghast. in the upper reaches wing

[hollow brook]

well, went in a zone that called Tower of the damned and cleared up to 6 😂

[sweet summit]

i think upper reaches is active this week?

so you don't have to do twisting corridors

[hollow brook]

sadly not

[sweet summit]

unlucky 😔

start and reset TC until you get Upper Reaches, then just clear to the boss on floor 6. layer 3 or higher

or just wait

[hollow brook]

ye was not sure if there is upper reaches, i reset all the time! Got mostly skoduls or flame one

[sweet summit]

bad rng :/

[hollow brook]

gotcha

[blazing condor]

Weird how they didnt expand upon TC

Not like anyone liked it

But its weird to just have it for one patch

[strong forum]

Oh yeah how is TC now actually

[ionic fern]

Still never done TC.

😂

[strong forum]

Still just like 9.0 torghast?

@hollow brook

[blazing condor]

Yup

I think so

[strong forum]

Weird

[blazing condor]

I only did like 3 layers or smth

But i dont think you have blessings and stuff

[sweet summit]

[hasty quest]

Hey guys, any of you have a macro to use Charge/intervene on same button?

[hollow brook]

ye its seem so, but didnt test the new one (higher than 8).

[strong forum]

Weird

Does the cube work in TC?

[sweet summit]

forgotten feature, just like warfronts

[strong forum]

Sounds like I'll have to do some torghast

And see for myself

Gna stream it if the cube works

[blazing condor]

Dont think it does iirc

But just shootin from my hip on that one

[strong forum]

Shit game

[blazing condor]

Think its on the icy veins guide

[strong forum]

Cube makes torghast actually fun

[hasty quest]

I'll check, thanks

[ionic plank]

think you can just make a macro with both but preface charge with [harm, nodead] and intervene with [help, nodead]

so
/cast [harm, nodead] Charge
/cast [help, nodead] Intervene

not at my pc right now so cant copy mine

[hasty quest]

Thanks mate

[strong forum]

Add an @mouseover for intervene

Tbh

Insane QoL

[ionic plank]

ooh yeah mine has that forgot about it

good shout

[lime urchin]

Yes and put hamstring into the macro as well 🙂

[ionic fern]

?

What's with people macroing Hamstring into ChargE?

[cyan onyx]

No idea, waste of rage

[craggy pilot]

Just do everything in chargw

Charge+heroic throw+hamstring+avatar+trinket+ravager

Put spear in while at it

And shield wall

Maybe shield wall

Berserker rage

Anyway i shouldn't talk 😅 i have literally the worst intervene macro

[strong forum]

A pvp thing

[craggy pilot]

Something like

Target nearest party
Intervene
Target last taget 🙈🙈🙈

[strong forum]

Cuz you can't charge in melee, and can't hamstring in range

Saves a keybind

[ionic fern]

Ah, okay.

[strong forum]

And you can just spam charge and thus apply hamstring ASAP without pressing another button

[craggy pilot]

Who uses prot in pvp?

And if you do pvp you shouldn't have intervene and charge in same bind

Pepega

[blazing condor]

Hamstring is a thing for arms

[craggy pilot]

Doesn't prot have hamstring now as well?

[ancient monolith]

ye

what Prot doesn't have is Piercing howl

which Arms and Fury have

[craggy pilot]

We have challenging shout tho 😅

[blazing condor]

I wouldnt mind howl

Change rumbling earth or whatever its called to stun plus apply a slow

For x sec

[craggy pilot]

I have so many talent ideas

Prot could be so much better than it is now

[strong forum]

Just like

Many other specs

Same as many things baseline

Especially vdh

If they had like 80% of their talent tree baseline, they'd be such a good class

[sick sentinel]

the should just focus on having every talent viable and stop with system out of nowhere

[sweet summit]

yeah nah that's not going to happen

[sick sentinel]

NW streams are starting 👀

[tame jasper]

how does twisted corridors work in terms of a memory that drops on 3+, so i have to do twisted lvl 3+ and run all 18 floors to have the chance for the memory?

[strong forum]

6 floors

[sweet summit]

boss on 6th floor drops if layer 3 or higher

[distant crystal]

you go in TC, if it's the wing you need you do 6 floors, if not you leave instance group

repeat

[tame jasper]

but TC - layer 3 (of 8) ?

[ionic plank]

yeah

[tame jasper]

k thx

[hollow snow]

Incase you didn’t know you can mouse over the minimap and it will tell you which one you’re in @tame jasper

[plush tendon]

woo vault day!

[cyan onyx]

Big Iuck to ya'll on vault.s

[plush tendon]

hoping for big 2h

[sweet summit]

🙏

im gonna get ows

[cyan onyx]

I just want something that isn't a sidegrade

[sweet summit]

maybe i don't want ows that much

[strong forum]

Idk man

Saf oversims imo

Shit only does like 150-200 dps for pwar

I doubt it's better for arms, maybe for fury

But assuming the % it's a fury sim

[ionic plank]

it's really strong for fury ST

[sweet summit]

imean

i'm using 233 sack atm

xd

as fury

[strong forum]

Sack is better than saf (for prot)

As I told you, my sack did 450 dps on nerzhul

As arms

[ionic plank]

at least it simmed sooo high when I was venthyr for ST

[sweet summit]

it's insane for nf fury (dreamweaver flower haste steroid on same cooldown) with enrage haste too)

[strong forum]

I guess

[blazing condor]

I just push buttons

[sick sentinel]

🙏 🛡️

[sick sentinel]

bottom is equipped

[cyan onyx]

Neck imo. But you could always sim

[sick sentinel]

it also offered me LFR weaved fates and decanter endless howl

way i play makes weave really attractive, tend to get blown up alot took the meme organ last week, i'm not going to click anything before getting a second opinion personally

[plush tendon]

dont take Weave

its shit

[sick sentinel]

what i read is its a shaman standee (cant remember actual name, never really play shaman) or if u had SS on u

[blazing condor]

yeah

which is bad

[sick sentinel]

what about lfr decanter then?

bunch of crit tiny heal automatic thing,

[plush tendon]

not great

[sick sentinel]

so, neck seems like best?

[strong forum]

I wouldn't

That neck you're using is only topped by another haste neck

Or another neck with socket

It's a good neck for arms tho

But not for prot

[sick sentinel]

personally, i want to go decanter for automatic effect and works well with arms/fury

[strong forum]

Ya but it's lfr

[sick sentinel]

still, i don't do LFR, let alon torghast some times

[strong forum]

Then just yolo it

Pick cloak cuz valor isn't infinite

Idk

[sick sentinel]

barely raid lol, just do WQ dungeons and press buttons

[strong forum]

But neck I wouldn't use

Rest is up to you

I have that same neck at 252 with leech but I don't use it over the crafted 230 + socket

[sacred timber]

Aegis and scale at the same time?

[sweet summit]

you can (but it is cringe)

[sacred timber]

but I have both ;-;

[lofty widget]

speaking of, what is the preferable second choice to shard in m+?

[mellow bridge]

matrix is really good

phial does good damage

ows is nice if you pull quickly

[sacred timber]

What should I run with scale?

[sick sentinel]

m+? raid?

[sacred timber]

M+

imagine playing tank in raid

[sick sentinel]

OWS final boss new raid if you can get it obviously, or anima emitter if your doing the haste thing

[mellow bridge]

same as above

[sacred timber]

You think I have even seen Sylv XD

[sick sentinel]

well, anima emmiter if you are doing haste or you can do basically any other dps trinket from dungeons, phial and scale stand out but are hard to get

[sacred timber]

Well

Imagine...

if

[sick sentinel]

there is hymnal from WQ that works pretty good too. i get shit for it but there is a frond thing, 668 haste for 12s 2minutecd

[blazing condor]

who gives u shit

isnt it pretty ok

[sick sentinel]

i said i used it in 9.0 and someone said not to

[mellow bridge]

hymnal is good

[sweet summit]

its pretty good

[sick sentinel]

it's giga hasts but no ilvl

[mellow bridge]

on use haste is weird tho

[sweet summit]

yeah i would not use frond

[sick sentinel]

if frond was 226 or more i would totally use it all the time

[blazing condor]

frond = ?

im not hip enough to know these

abbreviations

[mellow bridge]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=181457/wakeners-frond?bonus=6935

[blazing condor]

o

thanks

[mellow bridge]

wait

[sweet summit]

waiting

[mellow bridge]

why does wowhead say it has 2 sockets

[blazing condor]

:pausechamp:

[mellow bridge]

that's weird

[sweet summit]

it does that with world quest trinkets

idk why

https://www.wowhead.com/item=184840/hymnal-of-the-path?bonus=6935

[sick sentinel]

i would no kap run around with 252 anima emitter and 252 frond all day

if i wanted giga hasted

[mellow bridge]

weird stuff

[sweet summit]

it just redirects you to the bonus ID

[mellow bridge]

on use haste just isnt that good yogi

because we have no real big cds to use with it

[sweet summit]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mellow bridge]

we want perma haste

[blazing condor]

there are definitely better trinkets out ther

[blazing condor]

but its still much better than a lot of other trinkets

[sick sentinel]

i was totally prepared to recieve that in my box

[deft hinge]

this also good for dps, not as much as deceater tho

[sick sentinel]

yehhh i took the decanter lfr, i can get other slots i need next week, good for arms os

[devout heron]

fae or kyrian more dps

with seismic reverb?

[cyan onyx]

Same or nearly so close it doesn't matter

Man, I know its a bad trinket and I shouldn't, but I just want that damn Viscera really bad lol why do I want to be a bad player

[strong forum]

doesnt really matter between the 2

[devout heron]

how it doesnt matter that much tho

with korayn

etc

[strong forum]

both NF and Kyr are roughly same dps

its just a fact

the lower the key the more NF will prolly be cuz First Strike and packs dying in like 2seconds, but in normal situations theyre about equal

[cyan onyx]

Speaking of DPS, on Soulrender should I be delaying spear just for use on the mawsworn adds or just on CD?

[strong forum]

adds for max pad

[cyan onyx]

Bet

[strong forum]

cuz they spawn like every 45sec on Myth

on HC they only spawn once or twice

[cyan onyx]

Not if your kill takes 7 minutes and you're in the bottom 97% on kill time 😎

Time to pad boys

[strong forum]

dafuq

[cyan onyx]

I dont want to talk about it lol

[sacred timber]

@cursive prawn I literally cant compare this build

Because every key we have a fucking trolling tank

[cursive prawn]

Why are we in prot now?

[strong forum]

have to shittalk without being seen i guess?

though i think DMs are more effective

[cursive prawn]

This is about an Arms dreamweaver m+ build 😅

[sacred timber]

Wait... shit I was asking about fucking scale before

wrong chat F

[blazing condor]

Cringe!!!

[tired cove]

@strong forum you're a nerd

[craggy pilot]

why would you go dreamweaver in M+ though?

[tired cove]

boom headshot

[cursive prawn]

it's the hidden tech

a lot of higher end key pushers tried it out about a week ago, so i gave it a try and it was legit a viable alternative to korayn, superior in some cases

but we should take this to Arms channel, so people don't get mixed up

[craggy pilot]

but all high key pushers are Kyrian

[strong forum]

not wrong

[tired cove]

❤️ how you been buddy ?

[strong forum]

im aight

[blazing condor]

”How about you?”

Impolite nom

[strong forum]

too lazy to have a conversation rn

[cinder nova]

What's the trick to parsing Sylv as Kyrian?

Spear on arrows? 🤔

[jagged pier]

just press buttons

[cinder nova]

Yeah, but NF I was coming out of phase 1 with 6K+

EM+Spear I'm doing sub 5K

[strong forum]

First strike OP on p1

so many arrows

[cinder nova]

Yeah, obviously. Plus that one effect that gives you an extra 10% damage or so on targets above X%

But I can see kyrian parses are lockstep with NF, so I'm trying to figure out the fight's rhythm

Might just be playing like a fool. Nothing in the replays I'm seeing is much different from what I was doing in regards to when/where abilities are dropping.

[sullen valve]

UwU
Everyone Praise Lord Mwahi
UwU

[cinder nova]

Oh, wait I see where I went wrong.

Wait... are we gonna have spear up for every platform P2?

[strong forum]

ya

[cinder nova]

I wonder why the top kyrian held his on the 3rd platform

Hmm

What's the current renown cap? 74?

[strong forum]

72 pre-reste

74 past reset

[old flame]

which is better 233 OWS or 239 defense matrix?

I assume aigis matrix for mythic+

but for raid?

[rotund thicket]

@cinder nova what difficulty?

[strong forum]

matrix also does good dps in raid

so id just run that

[old flame]

paired with aegis or a 226 meathook?

[strong forum]

meathook is more dmg

aegis is more defensive

whatever you pref

[old flame]

kk so basically swap matrix for OWS in my setup

cool

[rotund thicket]

i wonder why the intermission adds on fate mythic hurt so much :c

[old flame]

er the other way around

Sunaru, gotta interrupt

[rotund thicket]

you cant interrupt on mythic x)

[old flame]

o.O

my b

[strong forum]

gotta line

[rotund thicket]

well but their melees hurt more then the dot tbh

i get like 50k hits in the last few seconds

and i have to tank both

[cinder nova]

H. I don't expect to see M Sylv because my guild was getting stonewalled on M Shad on Nya so it kinda set the tone

[mellow bridge]

pretty sure that's the only part where you take real damage on that fight

so just use cds there

[rotund thicket]

@mellow bridge still wonder how other tanks suvive this since warrior is the best for melee mitigation or not?

[cinder nova]

Probably have better DPS than you.

Having strong raid DPS is nothing to balk at in terms of how you'll use CDs.

[sick sentinel]

meathook is okay

[cinder nova]

It does plenty of DPS, but some fights you have to actually think about when to use it.

On sylv, for example, if you slap it down before her 2nd Darkness you're gonna lose like half the duration

[blazing condor]

I just pressed buttons on sylv as kyrian for my 99

Spearing on pull

Save avatar and demo when it comes back up cus thats when she veils

Spear on first engagement in p2

Spear first pack of ads

Then just push buttons

[strong forum]

For me?

It's pushing buttons

Only got a 93 on KT tho cuz game shit

But aight for being undergeard

[quiet wave]

idk which one to pick 😢

do shields matter that much? or should i take the 52 ilvl upgrade

[plush tendon]

tough decision, but I think the shield is the play (unless you mythic raid since there's a shield off tarra)

[quiet wave]

i dont do any type of raiding sadly

[plush tendon]

Heres the thought process, rather then look at I level, look at total stat gain. Also consider that there is a LOT of opportunity with those bracers to get upgrades (literally anything 200+ is a upgrade whereas with the shield, there is much less opportunity)

[quiet wave]

either way i guess i have to farm for either piece of gear and i guess id rather have the extra ilvl ona shield

[craggy pilot]

trying to do Guardian before reset, and people keep telling tanks to solo soak

wtf happened to HC Guardian

just spent 2 hours wiping on this boss with full raids of 10/10 people

how the fuck

[plush tendon]

pretty much; shields are our number 1 piece. Also, take into account that bracers are a very low priority Item slot

[plush tendon]

Thats just dumb. Its doable, but like.... just split it

granted I dont pug, I just make our mages and paladin bubble/ice block

[quiet wave]

i picked the shield 😢 i was hoping for an easy out to get geared and push this week and next

but long term thinking not short term

[plush tendon]

The shield may even be better in the short term

[craggy pilot]

ye i just dont get why it is

DH was trying to do it

but people have no clue when to taunt

fucking pug tanks man

[plush tendon]

Its pugs man

[quiet wave]

thanks for your help!

[plush tendon]

Bracers are +34 Armor, +22 Str, +54 Stam, +21 Secondaries vs. Shield +59 Armor, +6 Str, +15 Stam, +5 secondaries, +148 Block

[strong forum]

Shiiiiiiiiield

[cyan onyx]

Thas a lot of numbers

[strong forum]

That's not even a choice

[plush tendon]

even with the fact that the shield is only a 13 I level increase over the bracers whopping 52, the difference in stat gain is similar. Therefore, shield

[plush tendon]

had to explain the rationale 🙂

[strong forum]

Most important slot, chance on getting another 252 shield slim, 236/246 bracers will do just fine

[craggy pilot]

i got 246 bracers 3 times from KTZ now 😦

if you just have a few plate in your raid you will get hand me downs fast

people spam KTZ for weps, so you will get that wrist fast anyway

is it possible for Warrior to solo tank the Guardian thing?

the AOE hit i mean

[cinder nova]

Yes.

[craggy pilot]

Last Stand + Shield Wall should be enough?

or something specific needed?

and i guess i need to go bolster for the CDR

[cinder nova]

You'll have SR up for every combo, there's no reason not to use it too

It's like 120K magic damage.

[craggy pilot]

oh its magic

[cinder nova]

It's both.

Phys/Magic.

[craggy pilot]

so SR+Shield Wall + Last Stand

[cinder nova]

More than enough, yeah. You can live without LS, but you'll be low on HP.

[craggy pilot]

or nah cant get SR+Last Stand on all

Shield Wall+Last Stand i mean

[cinder nova]

You can't get LS on every combo, but you can just Rally the second combo if your raid doesn't want you to save it for PP.

You should be able to get SW and SR every combo.

[craggy pilot]

yea i could get LS on every by going bolster tho i guess

but that means i wont have Shield Wall for every combo

[cinder nova]

You don't need Bolster.

You want to go AM for CDR on Wall.

[craggy pilot]

ye exactly

[cinder nova]

And go The Wall if you're really behind.

You don't need Bolster.

It's a wasted talent.

If your raid wants you to save Rally for a pair of the purges then just ask for a GS on the combo that precedes the purge.

I normally go EM for leggo, AM for last row. First combo is LS + Wall + SR. Second combo I literally don't use anything but ShB and let the priest GS me so I can rally the Purging Protocols on the second pylon.

3rd is LS + Wall + SR

And normally we don't get a fourth.

If we do I'll just ask for Pain Supp

[fathom timber]

252 haste verse ring with socket or 239 aegis

[cinder nova]

What are you looking at in terms of current gear

You're only gonna use aegis on M+ tbh so if you don't do M+ in high keys ignore it.

[plush tendon]

Aegis is strong, but if you clear each week, youll get that 239 to drop again

[fathom timber]

I only do M+

234 ilvl

[cinder nova]

Oh, yeah - then aegis is pretty good for high keys

[plush tendon]

but doing the first 3 heroic aint that bad either

whats the loadout looking like right now?

[fathom timber]

Really hurting for a shield rn

[plush tendon]

I think short term, aegis would be the best pick. But, if you at all pug the raid (first 3 heroic super doable) then youll give yourself a lot of chances to get it agian

The ring is just a flat stat increase, replacing your 223 one

[fathom timber]

First 3 mythic isnt out of the question either

[plush tendon]

you can also hold for now, and wait to see if the aegis does drop

[fathom timber]

True

[digital arch]

BEST MOG EVER THIS!

[mellow bridge]

might get to do guardian myth tomorrow

how much shit do I need for each obliterate assuming we do it with 3 immunity soakers?

would e.g. even just LS + Demo + SR be enough or do I need more?

[sick sentinel]

i have this transmog but i need venthyr for it

[cyan onyx]

Condemn may suck but it feels really good

Just saying

[sick sentinel]

Theater of Pain - Fixed an issue where gladiators in the Halls of Might could sometimes remain immune to player abilities after finishing their duel

[ancient monolith]

wait is this for real?

have they fixed TOP bug?

[spare viper]

thanks that was super helpful

[latent pier]

heroic matrix is still really good, yeah?

[sick sentinel]

its a wow head thing so, i assume so

[copper lion]

can you not walk anymore past the pack in SoA right before the third boss? After Soggodon the breaker, the pack on the right side with the two wardens and two justicars?

[patent osprey]

@copper lion unless something changed today u can

[copper lion]

I am not understanding this Dratnos route, he says to skip here with mind soothe, sap/imprison, shroud.....but like why if you can walk around??

[feral drift]

any particular reason Vyraz's Parade Cuffs are BIS? compared to say Airborne Abductor's Vambraces?

I got this or Crit Haste 239 with no bonus stats

[lofty widget]

ilvl, assuming you got both from the same difficulty

but in your case the 239 are better

[feral drift]

okay, just wanted to be sure it was some weird itemization idea im missing

were not really "close" to downing Heroic KT yet

[sick sentinel]

yes, that is correct what you are saying

un-nessecary step in the dratnos route there

you just, go all the way to right hand wall and either take them all to pillar and someone probably gets aggro and merked, or, you can simply go where they are at and fight them in a line sorta
all 5 players making mad dash for pillar on first 1 of 2 packs like this, someones bound to get merked, likely a pets guy, or healer who got aggro through renew type on said hunter

[patent osprey]

think it's for safety

[distant crystal]

is it a shroud to grab the hurler guys before the boss?

[sick sentinel]

https://wago.io/ZWy5oHUT3 i came up with this set of weak auras, some i made my self, others i searched for.
sounds are under IP remind and block remind if you want to disable/change the sound,
the goal is to show whenever i'm both in melee and with shield block up (or conversely, not), and then track charge intervene and track IP

[spring heart]

can someone go over phase 3 m sylvanas with me, dm me please if u killed the bitch

[viscid prairie]

what would y'all say a target ilvl and specifcially shield ilvl would get me to where my mitigation is normalized in a +15 key

im at 220 with only a 207 shield, i was able to time a 15 SD but the healer was pretty geared

[sweet summit]

honestly kinda depends on you. if you feel fine in 15s as 220 then go get em

[jagged pier]

^^

[tame jasper]

Good luck in Vault EU-Warriors

[ionic fern]

Time to get that phial.

[blazing condor]

Question is if its worth to open as prot for matrix only

Id need a 2h for arms

[strong forum]

Time to get

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[jagged pier]

9 hours till i open mine

[blazing condor]

time to get no

[strong forum]

Same

[strong forum]

Satisfaction

[blazing condor]

https://gyazo.com/cd4c94acde29845b1f0fd5437dae16ef

easy upgrade from 226

[ionic fern]

Damn..i also still have 226 bracers. 😦

[primal cape]

chest time, lets see

[ionic fern]

LOL

[blazing condor]

[primal cape]

omg

[ionic fern]

That's a good one

ROFL

[primal cape]

you just mad about viscera 252

last trinket giving +293 armor huge tanking

[jagged pier]

Imagine doing 10m+ and u get that chest

[ionic fern]

True tbh.

[jagged pier]

KEK

[blazing condor]

[primal cape]

1st one giving 1k5 life every 20 sec 💪

[ionic fern]

I'd take that sweet soul ash.

But that's only because it's my only way of getting Soul Ash.

😂

[blazing condor]

surely this will be the week i get matrix

[primal cape]

pls stop

ill pick these soul ash to try EM i guess

[strong forum]

That is impressive

In a shit way

[blazing condor]

em is fun

but i use it as arms not prot

[primal cape]

i see

gonna open other chest on other tank, big drop coming

[strong forum]

Big

💩

Drop

[blazing condor]

y'all play other classes? 🤔

[primal cape]

im done

[blazing condor]

sacrebleu

[strong forum]

Damn

[jolly granite]

Mon dieu

[primal cape]

soul ash week

very happy of my rewards

[karmic plinth]

seeing as i already have aegis, scale worth taking?

[blazing condor]

id take it

if you dont need the dom sockets

and if you need dom sockets id wait to reclear then take something from vault

[karmic plinth]

i have better helm but the chest has the speed roll 👀

scale it is

[blazing condor]

gotta get that speed build

its bis

i dont think any place really requires two on-use right now but it's hoenstly nice to have both

[karmic plinth]

suppose its better to have the flexibility for it

[leaden dawn]

I got a trinket from the worldboss. Is it worth using it over any of my other ones?

[strong forum]

Uuuhh... Sim it

But probably

[leaden dawn]

i was under the impression that you cant sim for tank trinkets when it comes to defensive value

[ionic fern]

You don't sim for defense.

You sim for offense.

Non of those trinkets will make any significant increase in your survivability anyways.

[leaden dawn]

ok ty

[primal cape]

enjoy your chest bro

[blazing condor]

:^)

[karmic plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-gif-5593954

[blazing condor]

me trying to live in ToP after no one goes on the banners

[sick sentinel]

People don't kill banner? Maybe cuz like +18 or +22 but don't really have problem with it not dying

[blazing condor]

Nah its mostly fine

[sick sentinel]

dom scokets item dont drop

😦

never

think will go for legs or neck

[blazing condor]

at least you got a nice neck for Arms

[sick sentinel]

already have one at 242

*246

i may pick legs

for prots is good

head i have 2 already

has alot of leech

[sweet summit]

that's hot

but reprisal

[sick sentinel]

reprisal

is at boots

😦

[sweet summit]

👀

[sick sentinel]

so yep

i pick that

picked that legs last great vault

[strong forum]

Welp, you got bis legs then

Or rather, now

[sick sentinel]

yep for sure

with leech is best stat? maybe if it was avoidance

[blazing condor]

do you still get a shard from sylv?

guaranteed

asking for a frend

[strong forum]

Yes

Every shard besides the one from worldboss

[sick sentinel]

damn even as arms using that legs i went to 20%

thats crazy

[sweet summit]

that's crazy

[jagged pier]

I think she drops it now

[strong forum]

[sick sentinel]

i noticed that cuz gland

posted on arms too

[jagged pier]

I think there was a hotfix a while back nome

[sick sentinel]

so many crit with 20% i hope i hit hard

no dom sockets enough tho 😦

Nope i cant farm again still getting declined for hc

lul

[strong forum]

I'm not gonna bother

Not worth the effort

[sick sentinel]

but u have dom sockets

at least i have the absorve one

i just equiped a shield mid fight and shield block and and so on as arms again ahaha tanking giving me xp

anyway to have a macro for items change? like

item slots

?

sadly it happens more often than not

[craggy pilot]

Thought you meant 20% leech 😅

[sick sentinel]

ahahahaha i wish

ahahahaha

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2CGA43XNZQy8f17Y/#fight=last

tank left

i tankd a little bit

we kill it, dk are strong

dont need me

[craggy pilot]

You can make item sets and macro them

[sick sentinel]

tahts what i mean

i have item sets

can i drag them to bar?

[craggy pilot]

You can also do item sets for specs

No you can't drag them

[sick sentinel]

sadly it hgappens alot ,maybe i can start saving m+ bosses and so on, when its by little

[craggy pilot]

But just do /equip myset

[sick sentinel]

ahh nice

[craggy pilot]

(i think)

Not at PC currently so can't double check 😅

[sick sentinel]

/equip protset
/cast Defensive Stance
/Cast Shield block

ahahahah

[craggy pilot]

?

This for arms or some pepega shit

[sick sentinel]

shield block and defensive stance is me joking xD, i have binds already for it

arms

im not jk

[craggy pilot]

U don't rly ever need to do that in arms

[sick sentinel]

i do tanks die

i just did

[craggy pilot]

I made that macro, but used it literally 0 times

[sick sentinel]

and we kill the eyes just to reset stacks of tanks

pug life :

[craggy pilot]

Just do die by the sword

And tank with 2h

[sick sentinel]

but thats when its a few time

not raid wise

or tank just dies

with shield block we may have a change to kill it

thats what i mean

[craggy pilot]

?

Wtf

Your tanks are monkeys or what?

[median tulip]

Well I've certainly had worse vaults:

[craggy pilot]

👀

[cyan onyx]

I got myself a (poorly itemized) 252 belt

The vers/mastery one from one of the dungeons

[blazing condor]

if its more ilvl than your previous one its still really good

[sick sentinel]

:Yep:

[sick sentinel]

yess they are

alot of tanks are monkeys because tanks are in need

[craggy pilot]

Had a full day of wiping pugs on remnant yesterday, so i feel you

People will come in 10/10 and not know how to taunt

[jagged pier]

Its 150k for curve

Like very easy to get

[blazing condor]

half a wow token

💰

[jagged pier]

Yer but 150k in game isnt even hard, my gm made 200k in a week from doing mission table and callings on his chars

[blazing condor]

callings

🤢

[cyan onyx]

It's easy money

[jagged pier]

Literally 5 mins for 1.5k

[cyan onyx]

1-2k per calling + if you focus on the gold wold quests that's another 500-1k per day so

[jagged pier]

Like u see all these vids like 40k an hour

Doing callings is legit better than most of thoughs fars

Because thoughs farms rely on luck drops

[cyan onyx]

Make enough gold to flip a market on the auction house and you're set.

[blazing condor]

i only have 100k cus i lost it all death rolling

[craggy pilot]

To make 200k in a week on callings and command table u need like 5+ toons max lvl with command table 😅

That's like 15 worlds quests on days where you get world quest calling

I only do callings when they are "do x dungeon" because plowing through normal or HC with 240 ilvl is fun as fk 😅

[limpid kite]

Hi should I wear the 246 piece with no haste or the 239 piece with haste (for m+)

[tame jasper]

@limpid kite ilvl > secondary

so the 246

ilvl (mainstats) are more worth

[ionic fern]

👀

It's hard for some, okay?:(

[sick sentinel]

Hi does anyone have a pwn string for prot?

I am trying to get into pushing keys and I know that other classes are better for pushing but I prefer to play warrior

[strong forum]

Don't use pawn

[ionic fern]

If you mean Pawn . .don't use it.

Useless.

And Warriors are perfectly good at pushing keys.

👀

[strong forum]

Just follow the rule of Dom socket > ilvl > haste > vers

And youre good to go

[sick sentinel]

So vers is better than mastery for M+?

[strong forum]

Always has been

[sick sentinel]

there are like 30 different guides telling you different stuff

[ionic fern]

👀

[strong forum]

Mastery hasn't been a desired stat since...

Ever

Maybe legion? Idk

It was only so strong in Bfa because it was free

It's still strong, but you prefer other stats over it

[sick sentinel]

Ok thanks for helpin

[strong forum]

But yeah as mwahi said, every tank is perfectly good at pushing.
There is no actual tank meta established

[sick sentinel]

it comes through alot of trial an error

[jagged pier]

4 ish hours till disapointment

[ionic plank]

same

[jagged pier]

[ionic plank]

got vault on 5 characters

[sweet summit]

👀

[ionic plank]

1 upgrade we pray

[jagged pier]

I have that :p

[sweet summit]

i might have that

[jagged pier]

👀

No ows?

[sweet summit]

nah mythic option was remnant neck

[jagged pier]

Did warlock get ruby?

[sweet summit]

no

but he got legs, so that's fine

[jagged pier]

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxJ6N6xSECQ Me inviting people to my keystone "Welcome to hosetown, population you" some niche youtuber i enjoy watching

[sick sentinel]

the crazies tthing about boosting, is like, i wont buy one despite i will know tactic and performance good enough for hc, but cant get aceptd, if i bought it and i had 0 clue i would get aceptd

[wet atlas]

Gm, is there a haste cap for prot? Just getting back into tanking and was curious

[sick sentinel]

40%

but u can lower like if u fell confortable with 25% and get more others stats, it depends

for what i've learned

[wet atlas]

Does that include the talent or no?

[sweet summit]

without talent
and it's not some magical breakpoint. that's just where the tax starts being 20% instead of 10%

[strong forum]

^

[wet atlas]

I think my haste us around 35%

[warped moth]

took a jason from vault just to torment the other mdps in raid that still dont have it kek

red blade prettyy

[sick sentinel]

sooo this week is pushing week? exeept every week is xD

[sweet summit]

this week is a really good tyrannical week

[strong forum]

Last week was the best fort week, and this week is a good tyr week to push, albeit raging can be a kick in the nuts

[sick sentinel]

yeh the worst on the tanking meta, because its a run away meta

dh will shine on this ones

[strong forum]

It's only a kite meta for vdh

[plush tendon]

Its Tyran Raging though, not nearly as bad as Fort Raging

just bring a rage dispel for some dungeons like HoA and DoS and youll be good 🙂

[primal cape]

just did sd20 to try affix, was fine i guess

[sick sentinel]

which clases can do it?

[sick sentinel]

xD

[plush tendon]

hunter, rogue, druid

but they have to use it to make it worth it

[sick sentinel]

guys now really how u get aceptd to any content solo? if u not a tank, me trying to queue raids declined, +15 keys declined..

[primal cape]

not doing so much raids

how much ilvl and rio?

[sick sentinel]

2080rio ,242 not equipped, 239 equiped

https://raider.io/characters/eu/doomhammer/Rte?utm_source=addon

[primal cape]

youre trying to tag HM raid and youre declined ?

[sick sentinel]

raided 4 bosses mythic last tier on resto shamy

HM?

sorry dont know the slang