protection

[ionic fern]

You can pull more and you can pull less..there's literally no rule to pulling.

@potent anvil might tell you "Naa, minimum 6 packs at once"
while
@sick sentinel might tell you "2 is max".

🤷

[lilac bloom]

its pug i dont know what my group- is comfortable with. I just a low healer but he/she did get 15 key done highest but pf is 12.. still got my ass handed cos of too much bursting

[strong forum]

The rule is, whatever is efficient

👍

If you pull pack by pack, you will be omega fine in most keys

[sick sentinel]

"is what i am about to pull going to kill us??"

[strong forum]

No reason to overpull

[lilac bloom]

i just want to pull enough so it doesn't make healer a problem but ii'm getting hit hard soemehow

[strong forum]

Just play it clean

[sick sentinel]

is a very good question to ask your self before pulling anything

[ionic fern]

If you are getting hit hard then it's either
1)No SB
2)Casts going through
3)Bursting

[lilac bloom]

people expect me to live pulling alot

[strong forum]

There is no reason to go ham outside of mdi or if you already know better

[strong forum]

Fuck them

[lilac bloom]

bursting was the main problme

healer coulnd't handle it

[strong forum]

If they wanna time the key, they better play to your rules

Pulling big doesn't always make sense

[sick sentinel]

if you know you have CD's and your healer has healing shit, and dps has cd's and your not all pepega's actually interupt only important spells yeah, go ham

[strong forum]

Or rather, most of the time doesn't make sense

[lilac bloom]

but on other affixes are fine

just fortified

its a pain

[ionic fern]

Then the next question is which part of bursting...was it that the stacks were literally too high like 10+ multiple pulls in a row? In this case you will want to keep an eye on your healer CD's and probably small puller if they don't have the CD's.

More than likely it was the other issue of DPS'ers extending bursting like mongos.

[sick sentinel]

if your group has CD's like at start of the run, or at final boss pull, then you CDEEZ NUTS

and do bigger riskier plays then

[lilac bloom]

ok.. ill do 3 at a time

[blazing condor]

tip is to track group CDs

if you see that your DPS have their big CDs up then its probably worth to pull a bit more

if you feel like you can handle it personally

[sick sentinel]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/att this one is Ability Team Tracker and so it does uhh this... (pic related), precisely what you were talking about, alterinatively you could use something like weak auras, but its bit more involved creating custom WA, importing ones linked to you is NP EZ

NOT to be confused with All The Things (transmog collection)

[median tulip]

The interesting thing this week, in terms of pulls, is that it's the opposite of Bolstering in some ways; packs with a high HP differential are good this week; you can kill 2 or 3 little ones, then the bursting stacks will fall off before you kill them big ones

[sick sentinel]

the true and honest way to fuck up bolstering is you pull 20 slimes in PF 1st boss room and aoe the slimes down first

then you get a giga mob with 10million hp and it 1shots you healer complains and leaves

[ionic plank]

we made a plaguebelcher like 2x the size of globgrog

it was glorious

[cyan onyx]

I love build a raid boss week

[ionic plank]

the giant hecking honker in dos

🐦

[median tulip]

Those slimes are a problem on both Bolstering and Bursting weeks, let's be honest

Actually Plaguefall as a whole is just fucking terrible with PUGs

[cyan onyx]

Just pull slow ez pz

5 slimes at a time

[median tulip]

Number of times I've invited a shadow priest for an additional status cure, only for them to not cast it even once in the dungeon

[sick sentinel]

i don't know if hiru is any indication but some priests seem to be .... way moire absent minded than others at times

[cyan onyx]

There are a lot of bad players on every class

A lot.

As a matter of fact, there is a good chance 90% of the people in this channel are bad players.

But, the good news is, most of the time it doesn't matter.

[ionic plank]

[blazing condor]

there's also a difference of being good at the game and being good at your spec

[cyan onyx]

Very true. This shit is like an onion, its got layers.

[sick sentinel]

the game is life

[ionic plank]

but also the fact that in a gigantic mmo "good" and "bad" are entirely subjective and mean completely different things to different people

[simple temple]

What is a good WA that shows your bleeds and such, bigger rather than next to minimap?

[ionic plank]

good place to ask is #ui-addons-manager I'd probs recommend having that stuff on nameplates with an addon like plater

[simple temple]

ok ty

[velvet acorn]

any night fae prots here? can u send me photo of ur soulbinds?

[sweet summit]

for what purpose?

m+? raid?

[velvet acorn]

m+

[velvet acorn]

thanks!

we use korayn?

not niya?

[sweet summit]

for m+ yeah

first strike is inanely strong

massive damage

[velvet acorn]

ohhh okay

nice

is it not recommended to have 2 active trinkets?

cause i have blood spattered

and then i plan to use a dps trinket

but i have the anima emitter trinket as well

[sweet summit]

not really, no

scale is fine, but aegis is in a league of its own for m+

[modern brook]

Scale is peepeepoopoo compared to aegis

For m+

[velvet acorn]

i have yet to get that

[sweet summit]

as far as dps trinkets go, phial/ows/sack are very strong
field emitter is also a good option

[modern brook]

Isn't matrix also good?

[velvet acorn]

this my trinkets so far

i have weaves of fate and scale equipped atm

[sweet summit]

weaves of fate?

[modern brook]

Emitter scale, hook if you don't need scale to live imo

[sweet summit]

is that the fatescribe ome?

[velvet acorn]

yeah

[blazing condor]

[sweet summit]

ah yeah

its dogshit piss

[velvet acorn]

is it trash?

[blazing condor]

doodoo trinket

[velvet acorn]

thanks

[blazing condor]

its a soul stone on a trinket

at least warriors got challenging shout

but if you die

you lose all aggro

and shit

it sucks

[sweet summit]

id use emitter with scale for now

[blazing condor]

☝️

[velvet acorn]

thanks!

and also

[sweet summit]

and then see if you can get phial to drop

and eventually aegis too

then youre golden

[velvet acorn]

just ilvl right?

cause i got 2 vers rings

like vers heavy rings

[sweet summit]

rings dont really follow that rule

[velvet acorn]

i got the ouroborous one and the one from TOP

[sweet summit]

but its not necessarily wrong to just take ilvl on rings either

i highly prefer rings with high haste

[velvet acorn]

how do i know which rings are the right ones?

[blazing condor]

high haste is always a good sign

[velvet acorn]

i got the haste verse one from NW

i got the haste mastery one from DOS

252

[blazing condor]

those are great

[sweet summit]

those two are great!

wah

[velvet acorn]

this is what i got equipped atm

[blazing condor]

id personally run the stitch flesh with death god

[sweet summit]

same

[velvet acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/ninomae-ninomae-inanis-inanis-ina-wah-gif-21444345

[blazing condor]

[velvet acorn]

thanks guys!

[sweet summit]

[blazing condor]

bruh lol

[sweet summit]

thank u for blessing my day Ina

[velvet acorn]

[modern brook]

Wah

[sweet summit]

[blazing condor]

happy vibes in the skyhold prot channel

[cyan onyx]

[velvet acorn]

these are my stats after followin the ilvl rules and stuff

i have a 252 crit verse neck but i got the 246 neck from KT

so i put that on cause of the haste

[sweet summit]

looks sick man

[modern brook]

Great stats bro

I like the part where you put ilvl first

:)

[ionic plank]

[velvet acorn]

if i had two pieces that are same ilvl

prioritize mastery or verse?

cause i got the 2 gloves from SOD

im thinking verse but I want to hear from the experts

[craggy pilot]

verse ye

[velvet acorn]

thanks

also im using reprisal, these are the talents i found

this okay right?

[sweet summit]

best served cold

[sick sentinel]

crit and vers are the stats that are fighting for 2nd place after haste

mastery isn't bad, it's just, meh.

[velvet acorn]

ohhh okay

so mastery is bottom priority?

[sick sentinel]

crit gives parry, which reduces damage you take, and increases damage you do

[velvet acorn]

oh cool best served cold for dps right?

revenge 🙂

[sick sentinel]

with reprisal yes

[sweet summit]

yeah

[sick sentinel]

some ppl have made argument about double revenge leggo being reall good

[velvet acorn]

double revenge?

[mellow bridge]

seismic reverb leggo

it's to do dmg in keys that are not relevant push keys for you

[sick sentinel]

2 for the price of 1, literaly

[mellow bridge]

in anything that's challenging content, you should run reprisal

[sick sentinel]

when you are like me everything is challenging content

[mellow bridge]

then you should always run reprisal 😛

[mystic warren]

Whenever I get sad

I think about a future patch where we can run double leggos

and think about reprisal + seismic

[velvet acorn]

i usually do high keys as arms but i wanna tank

[mystic warren]

and then I get happy for a second

[velvet acorn]

for my friends

[sick sentinel]

reached 1400 raiting so was able to get couple upgrades

[mellow bridge]

whenever I think about double leggo, I think about wall and reprisal for giga high keys

and I get a little hard

😔

[sick sentinel]

how about, as a joke, blizzard turns on every talent and conduit for a month, and "they can't fix the bug"

[velvet acorn]

i changed to bounding stride is that okay? i like the movement speed

[sick sentinel]

let people go nuts

[mellow bridge]

bounding is fine

you just have to think about if the MS and reduced CD actually do anything effective in a key tho

CT is always useful to have an easier time keeping aggro in an initial pull and have more slow if your group lacks it

boundings strengths are often irrelevant

but neither talent is hugely impactful so it's a bit w/e in the end

[velvet acorn]

okay 🙂

[strong forum]

I'm bounding stride gang

[sick sentinel]

30% slow on a button im hitting 10 times a second

sure why not

[strong forum]

I don't see value in CT

The slow isn't relevant

And base TC size is already massive

[sick sentinel]

you can get alot of value with the move speed if you take bounding

[oblique garnet]

WRONG

[strong forum]

Bounding stride actually has uses in SD and Plaguefall where you can execute boss mechanics better

[sick sentinel]

like, get away from necrotic type shit

[velvet acorn]

also is ravager the play?

[strong forum]

Always in m+

[velvet acorn]

i see some go into the fray

[mellow bridge]

ye ravager > itf for keys

in raid you'd go itf

[sick sentinel]

yeah, it's strong

i think i take CT cuz its bigger radius, so more chance to hit crap

[oblique garnet]

@strong forum BS is the reason im doing more damage than you

[mellow bridge]

I take CT because it helps at the start of a pull when collecting several packs

but it really doesnt matter very much

[velvet acorn]

thanks everyone!!!

[sweet summit]

CT gang

[mellow bridge]

and if youre just pulling pack by pack then CT is pretty useless probably

[velvet acorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/820744573319774228.gif?v=1

this discord is a banger

[mellow bridge]

true

[velvet acorn]

this is a great burst of fresh air

[sick sentinel]

i will try out BS again

[velvet acorn]

i have PTSD in hunter and druid discord

[ionic fern]

👀

[sick sentinel]

using disengage givs me PTSD

i hate having to line your self up so you fly backwards just so....

and same gemotry problems as leap but worse

[ionic fern]

Wdym? Don't you like having a flat surface and then you try to leap to kite and then it says "NO PATH AVAILABLE".

[sick sentinel]

how about

how 30% of my ravagers and spears of bastions go on some random chandalier

[oblique garnet]

use @ player macros

[woven laurel]

vers is one of the best fro prot warriors

[mellow bridge]

after ilvl and haste yes

[woven laurel]

id argue vers is more important thatn haste

[craggy pilot]

what to pick? 😮

[woven laurel]

girdle id say

[craggy pilot]

its basically a question of Vers vs Crit 🤔

[mellow bridge]

then you have an opinion that most people in here wont share

[mellow bridge]

girdle for defensive

if you want dps just sim it

[latent pier]

after reprisal should I make seismic or the wall? lol

[woven laurel]

vers helps with overall damage reduction which helps with magic damage

pika trys to max hsi vers stat

[mellow bridge]

he literally doesnt tho

from his very own discord

and what people at the very highest keys do is completely irrelevant to 99% of people in here

I do 23s/24s just fine without any heavy vers stacking myself

[craggy pilot]

people like to watch +25 keys, and do the exact same in their +15 key

and then wonder why it didnt work

"were supposed to do this massively dangerous pull, otherwise we cant time this +15" like what mate

[oblique garnet]

Its called limit testing

and if my 190 ilvl healer cant heal that thats on him

/s

[mellow bridge]

true

and if my dps dont perfectly kick and cc 5 casters, I just need 5% more vers for it to work instead

[strong forum]

I ran CT that dungeon

And did less dmg

Ergo

CT bad

[cyan onyx]

More leaps = more charges = more BSC procs = stonks

https://tenor.com/view/bike-pump-pump-air-gif-14322473

[oblique garnet]

You dont need leap to charge weave

especially in m+

[strong forum]

Ye leap charge is unnecessary

[median tulip]

You're all missing the gigaplay of running Menace, clearly /s

[strong forum]

I just played god awful that's about it

[oblique garnet]

[sick sentinel]

leap charge weave seems more like raid boss thing

[cyan onyx]

What are you doing instead? Just running around all the time and charging casters?

[sick sentinel]

charge > intervene > charge

[median tulip]

Charging Raid bosses is (for the most part) even easier, as long as you know their ability timings properly

[sick sentinel]

whats kill order first boss top this week

[craggy pilot]

if you do this, you lose out on your Revenge! buff

[jolly granite]

The wing with the fire guy first rest is on you. Must be caster wing or plague

Not sure

[craggy pilot]

how many classes can skip Nerzudah in NW? 🤔

rogue priest DH?

[jolly granite]

Monk circle?

Not sure

[craggy pilot]

is that enough?

[safe thistle]

intervene is for the melee dps so you can revenge right away

ez week btw

[lime urchin]

Anyone tried a trick with ring of peace + spear of bastion to silence a pack for 10 seconds or smt?

[median tulip]

All classes can actually walk right past that pack, but the path to do it is really narrow.

[craggy pilot]

on right sidE?

or left?

[median tulip]

Left

[velvet acorn]

right side????????????

you can do the right side?

[median tulip]

You have to go into the little tent as you do it, but it's possible

[velvet acorn]

the only 2 classes i know that can make it really easy to pass

is priest and rogue

[craggy pilot]

i think you can do right side with a DH Imprison

or monk ring of peace+CC

also right side

[median tulip]

RoP & Paralysis works

[craggy pilot]

looks like warlock can also gate on the left side

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sziTqw8HuyY

[ionic plank]

Yeah I’ve done it with a warlock on left side

[sick sentinel]

how do you get more charges from leaping

i don't understand

[strong forum]

By leaping out and charging in

Which is good in raid

But in m+ not at all necessary

[sick sentinel]

oh, i was thinking like, on a trash pull its not really very nessecary

[median tulip]

In M+ on most packs you should be able to counter-charge a caster anyway

[orchid frigate]

warlock gates in NW are weird. all of a sudden they appear on the 2nd floor

[blazing condor]

is there a way to cheese last 10% on tara?

sucks seing your dps go down 3k

[modern brook]

The fights fake

[blazing condor]

yes but still 😄

got my first 99 parse on mythic at least

poggie

but went from like 14k to 11k dps on tara

sad

[strong forum]

tarra

[blazing condor]

[dusky canopy]

You'd have to have other raid members taunt swap so you can blast for your parse

[blazing condor]

yeah thats usually how we'd do it

i died early now tho

but yeah

not like it matters lol

[blazing condor]

252 gland from eye too

[sick sentinel]

spires 11 or d2 tonight

both pretty appealing

[cyan onyx]

D2 if it's working and spires if it isnt

[modern brook]

people buying ressurection the day its released after refroged came out is honestly insane to me

[strong forum]

Well

Resurrection is just a skin done by a non blizz company

Whereas reforged was actually fucked from the start

And insanely rushed

Resurrection is done by a company known for delivering well done remasters

Published and licensed by blizzard

[modern brook]

As if Blizzard stamp means anything any more 😦

[strong forum]

Well it is their IP

And stuff like this makes it so it stays blizz IP

[modern brook]

yeah im just syaing 🤷‍♀️

1. giving blizzard money in 2021 is pretty as is

2. Reforged 😬

[strong forum]

But yeah, it's just a fancy skin ontop of regular d2

[modern brook]

3. buying a game u already own is

[strong forum]

With a few Qol changes

Not gonna butter my bread

[modern brook]

would you like to assign someone to butter your bread?

[strong forum]

Only stuff I'm looking forward to is poe2 abit, but not hugely, lost ark and d4

[modern brook]

hoenstly video games arent fun anymore

gamers ruined them

but thats a different conversation

[strong forum]

The most oppressed race of them all

gamers

[strong forum]

Ohno

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-cringe-cringe-oh-no-kimo-kimmo-gif-23168319

[blazing condor]

yeah im lgbtqia

[cyan onyx]

The fact that someone looked at that and went "yeah I think that's a good idea" is hysterical

[blazing condor]

also the T stands for twitch 😎

give us money

[cyan onyx]

"Pride month?

Sounds like it's time for the gays to give us money"

-companies in the US

Anyway, enough about that shit, I got my block % up from 44% to 70%+ on all bosses in heroic sanctum thanks to the advice here so I just wanted to say thanks

[blazing condor]

[cyan onyx]

One day I hope to not be ass.

[blazing condor]

good job!

youre one step further away from being ass

one step closer to being a log whore

[cyan onyx]

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/donkey-smile-shrek-disney-cute-gif-17388059

[cyan onyx]

Log whore, floor tank, I just want to game 😎

[strong forum]

Yeah I don't want to imagine that

[blazing condor]

gotta hate how sometimes on nerzhul he just starts blasting suffering 0.1 seconds after the orbs spawn

not much you can do

[cyan onyx]

Sounds like a good time to intervene someone

[blazing condor]

wont make a difference

because the boss doesnt move that quickly

[cyan onyx]

Fair. That fight gets stupid hectic and I kinda dig it. Wiping sucks but wiping and watching people get blown to Bolivia is pretty olay

[blazing condor]

its kinda when youre this late into the patch and your guild is still progging it

dying to getting blown off

[cyan onyx]

I mean fair. We wiped so many times on soulrender I think the word Mawsworn is burned into my brain.

[worthy karma]

I’ve been dabbling in arms for fun and have been hitting like 8k overall on 19s with signet 😂 but I main prot and was thinking of making seismic instead of EM. Should I make seismic to pump 18-20s? Or just get my arms dps higher?

[mellow bridge]

the only one who knows the answer to that is you lmao

[strong forum]

8k as arms is a yikes indeed

Seismic is more dps than EM, if you can do 18-20s comfortably with seismic go for it

It's up to you

[worthy karma]

yeah lol EM would be for dps and I would just stayh with reprisal

[ionic fern]

No.

Seismic is for dps.

Not EM.

[strong forum]

I think he means arms

[ionic fern]

Oh.

[worthy karma]

it was more of do I make dps leggo ro tank dps leego]

[strong forum]

Up to you

I enjoy both

You can also just run with a 235 leggo

Works just as well

So, just do both

[viscid prairie]

Is having a crappy shield pretty detrimental to our overall mitigation? I think it’d be fair to say yes since prot warriors are all about physical mitigation?

[strong forum]

Yes it is detrimental

[worthy karma]

true I prolly will make the lower ilvl EM. I don't feel in danger in 18-19s unless I muff it up myself

[strong forum]

Having a low shield means you block fuckall dmg

[viscid prairie]

Yeah

[strong forum]

A 190 shield is as good as not having a shield at all

[viscid prairie]

Got a lot of complaints in a low key, inexperienced healer kept asking where my self healing was lol. Only my second dungeon ever

Im like uh, are you talking about ignore pain?

[strong forum]

Pwars don't self heal...

[viscid prairie]

But yeah it’s my shield. It’s only 131 still so I’m missing a lot of that juiciness

[strong forum]

Oh yikes

[viscid prairie]

I know thats why I was confused by his question

[strong forum]

131 is literally non existant

[viscid prairie]

Maybe I’ll stick to M0-5 until I snag one lol

Thanks for the response

[strong forum]

Well you can get by with a low shield

But having a good shield, is literal WORLDS of differences to having a 131

Like, stupid amounts

A 131 shield maybe reduces dmg taken by... 5?%

When a 246 is 33%

[viscid prairie]

This was an inexperienced healer idk why I even took his criticism seriously, but I’m an open minded guy and new to tanking so

Anyways

It’s fun seeing someone trash talk you in a different language thought and using Google auto translate to see what they say

He called me a “penny tank”

[strong forum]

Happens

Need a thick skin as a tank

[viscid prairie]

Been there as a healer

Part of the process

[strong forum]

I don't comment on others performances unless I know them

Lot of people should do that aswell

[median tulip]

Do LFR until one of the Shields drops for you

[viscid prairie]

Same. As soon as you do you’re the one who fucks up lol

Yeah good plan re LFR I could use the renown too

[strong forum]

I only try to help others at best, when I see them doing glaring mistakes in say, talents or CD uses

[median tulip]

Other Shield sources; there's a treasure in Maldraxxus you can pick up, and your adventure table should offer you 194 Shields pretty quickly

[strong forum]

But not often these days

[nocturne sage]

Is there a specific block% I should be aiming for in raid? Starting to prog into heroic and feeling a bit squishy at times

[median tulip]

Also Korthia offers them a fair bit; I must have vendored a dozen Korthian Shields

[viscid prairie]

For sure can go do those now actually see what we have

[median tulip]

Raw random block chance is fairly irrelevant to us. The point is to use Shield Block and maximise uptime

[strong forum]

Ideally, 100%

In raid

Should be fairly manageable given the nature of tank swaps

However, damage intake in raid is usually really low on tanks so aiming for perfect block uptime is often not even remotely needed

[nocturne sage]

Well, should be but I was pretty greedy in normal so almost solo tanked most of the fights since I was overgeared

[median tulip]

Yeah. Only The Nine doesn't really allow for that in Sanctum

[strong forum]

And then dmg intake is low enough that it doesn't matter

But on the nine, 80%++ should be possible

[median tulip]

Yeah, The Nine is more like an extended M+ encounter, really

[nocturne sage]

Hopefully with y’all I can be a better tank one day, really liking raid tanking but not so much in m+

[median tulip]

TBH the first three bosses in the Raid are all pretty laughable

[strong forum]

If you play nature's Fury, then around 60% block should be fine

[mighty egret]

inting myself with ITF

i am now a ravager cuck

[strong forum]

I think the word you're looking for is chad

[sick sentinel]

if it makes you better is it really cucking you?

[old flame]

Anyone have any pointers for heroic Sylv? Timing the debuffs and arrows specifically

Getting double clapped by 6 stacks is wicked

[craggy harness]

The nine trinket is a godsend

Do you have problems with it in p1 or more p3?

[strong forum]

Idk when I tanked felt omega easy

🤷‍♂️

Just fullsend yolo

[craggy harness]

My biggest problem is falling off In p2

[strong forum]

Lol

[craggy harness]

Sylv made me charge her instead of intervening someone on 1st platform

So I made myself a drink

And came back for p3

[old flame]

Only had about 3 pulls on her last week

Maybe more

I have the nine trinket

Been using it as close to the hit as possible

[sick sentinel]

what do you guys CC in spires before 1st and 2nd bosses

so that i can plan out which mob to cc when i run it

[old flame]

I think the only time I cc in spires is before the third boss with the double healer pack

But I'm a sub 2k io scrub

[sick sentinel]

i have to assume "mender" is probabbllly a good target for cc though if i have to use it

[blazing condor]

how come omnicd wont show my shaman's shit?

everything else works

[sick sentinel]

i use ability team tracker personally

then i can just click on or off things that are relevant or i discover have uses from other classes i didn't know about

[old flame]

I tried omni for raid. Couldn't figure out how to get it to work properly so just stuck with mrt cooldowns

[craggy harness]

So for p1, if I felt nervous about the tank surviving … i swap at 3 stacks and don’t let them go to to 6

[sick sentinel]

i'm not sure if its the same as it was when i remember this, but warlock can summon fell gaurd and i'm fairly positive he has on demand WW attack and a storm bolt copy

and, so, that could be really handy extra stun if we communicate it

[old flame]

Yeah risen, we switched to 3 swap

Made it easier, but she can still double clap because they decided to make that a when I feel like it boss attack

Do you track her stacks or just the other tanks debuffs?

[craggy harness]

I track both mine and cotanks rebuffs… I think double clap is only near the end of p1, so just be ready and have everything you need for it

spell reflect, shield wall, IP

Spel reflect + SW or demo should be enough… especially with IP

[hollow sun]

Actually this is a big bait imo. A simple.shockwave is enough to interrupt the heal from the mender, and if you have someone to offensively purge him it's basically harmless. If you want to cc I would cc one castigator. They cast burden of knowledge that is a wipe worth cast on fortified

[sick sentinel]

i was thinking about just doing ravager on pack, charge mender, and ghostbusters https://www.wowhead.com/spell=310493/50ul-tr4p

total immune for 60 seconds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAAjm_4lbiE exactly this, drops on ground and traps it

[fringe marten]

About to start progging on Sylvanas. Why the high use of shard of alar in that fight? They prog kills or people leaning on it to game a mechanic, or is she that threatening at points in the fight?

Guess everyone must be trying to learn their Gunbreaker rotation~

@old flame There's a setting in OmniCD to basically display whatever you have set to display, based on the AMOUNT of people present. I think it's defaulted built for a group? But I could be wrong. That's the setting you need to tweak to get it to display stuff for raid; then set up all the stuff you want to see under raid settings, and spell display list.

Under the main menu for /oc on the left side, under 'Visibility' you'll see max number of players. That sets the hard cutoff for what OCD will display.

Then under raids, set the checkbox to Enable (top of ocd window) then set how you want everything.. then I manually change my raidframes type in WoW under it's base options under Interface/ Raid profiles. then I have a setup for 'default' and 'raiding' where it displays a different amount of group frames; This seems to work for OCD.

So it's likely the raidframes setup quantity of players in WoW that's not informing OCD properly; and so you don't get the display setup you want.

[sick sentinel]

i attempted to use omniCC in the past, but it was way beyond my understanding or i didn't set the right option or something

[fringe marten]

OmniCC or OmniCD?

[sick sentinel]

pretty sure one i weas trying to use was cc, can't even recall why i first wanted to use it thinking on it

[distant crystal]

I think omnicc was for tracking enemy cooldowns in arenas right

omnicd is the party/raid cd tracker

[sick sentinel]

omnicd vs ability team tracker then?

[nocturne sage]

are dom shards based off of the lowest level one equipped or the lowest of the set (blood, unholy, frost)

[old flame]

for the bonus

it's the lowest of the set

so if you have a 5 a 3 and a 1 you'll get blood link rank 1

[nocturne sage]

got it, thank you

[old flame]

np

[torpid zephyr]

The tank damage is real bad on that fight, especially phase 3. Its so easy for tanks to die then that progging that fight is easier with a cheat death

Tons and tons of magic damage too feelsbadman

Not necessary at all though, I progged AOTC with phial and decanter

I replied to the wrong message woops

[rugged mural]

If you play prot and arms, would you max out Blood or UH set first?

[sick sentinel]

defo thinking about leveling dk 50-60 just get them to 60 9.1.5, only warr mage atm

[urban portal]

Level in 9.1.5

[sick sentinel]

only 10 lvls, got 2 max levels, is a bit sad

[haughty sleet]

anyone know where to find the m sylv p2 deadline weak aura?

[fringe marten]

Yeah, we're digging into it now Merlin

it's so dumb...she's garbage..does nothing, then fires Ranger Burst at you and trucks the soul out of you..then goes back to being an anime character.

For tanks who have progged/cleared Mythic sylv...did you still always swap on 1 ranger burst? She's rando going taunt DR, or I'll taunt..and she'll still auto the other tank twice..then throw ranger burst at him, then turn to me. ?? So jank..it used to happen in heroic but now it 'matters'

Merlin yeah I did same ..heroic you go full dps doesn't matter in mythic JFC.

[sick sentinel]

me when i make a bad pull in (dungeon) and we start to wipe.

[worthy karma]

Seismic is a vibe. 18-19s I felt like I was chilling I felt a little more squishy, but I had alot fun

• my low key random prot warrior seismic review

[fringe marten]

Yeah it is; but you do feel the lack of block uptime

[worthy karma]

honestly not as much as I thought that I would

[sick sentinel]

I'd like some suggestions on possible mobs I could ghost busters trap if anybody has any ideas, a very good example would be 1st box pf fort weeks, trap first big sĺime lustt nuke before adding 2 comes

Other than rare uses like that have only ever used it once to stop trash from wiping us

[radiant oxide]

do tanks get hit harder from the back?

[worthy karma]

Yeah you can't block or perry from behind

[radiant oxide]

yea but besides that

u can get crited or get any kind of increased dmg from behind?

[unique shale]

cirt as well

never kit while facing back to mobs unless you think its safe to do so

[radiant oxide]

ok ty

[unique shale]

and also careful about using intervene on ally or running away with it

i got one shoted a lot for it because it made me face back mobs

[obtuse monolith]

Don’t think you got an answer. Blood is stronger for Arms than UH is for Prot. If prot’s important to you at all Blood is amazing IMO.
For Arms UH is stronger on the meters and anytime there’s adds, but the healing from Blood is handy on prog too

[limpid pawn]

226 heart of alar or 252 guardian trinket?

[velvet acorn]

anyone know the tanking powers in M+?

quick ;-;

[oblique garnet]

Stygian barbs and stats and shield

Think the last one is like aoe dam reduction for allies or smth

[unique shale]

you still playing with alar

damm

[pallid hollow]

since when you get crit from hits in the back

[ocean yoke]

got painsmith and guardian down this week

[velvet acorn]

did my first NW as prot

thanks guys 🙂

[velvet acorn]

@sweet summit u dabest

[modern brook]

I've been saying that for years

[limpid pawn]

so...

alar or matrix trinket?

[velvet acorn]

nc prof pic

[velvet acorn]

i would pick matrix, thats the one from guardian right?

i heard its soo frickin good

[grizzled forge]

is it me or sometimes in phase 2 of fatscribe you get 2 sets of beams and sometimes its 3 sets?

[mighty valley]

matrix, a million times

[grizzled forge]

or is it always 3 and im trap

[shut summit]

if you push boss to 72% / 42% he doesnt cast them

so you can get him down there and stop dps, clean up tank add(s) then push

[bronze shuttle]

Is kyrian a good choice for mythic plus?

[mighty valley]

yep

[bronze shuttle]

I'm going off tank, to help people with low keys

[blazing condor]

ya its good

[plush tendon]

Kyrian=NF>necro>venthyr

[orchid frigate]

anyone that have some kind of overview on what classes/specs you need for mage tower mount in 9.1.5?

[rotund thicket]

@orchid frigate Druid, Warrior and WL = all 7 Challenges

[orchid frigate]

dont have a WL 😦

[rotund thicket]

https://de.wowhead.com/challenging-artifact-weapon-appearances here is an overview

[orchid frigate]

have a shammie tho so looks like im covered

warrior, druid, monk, shammie

[pine phoenix]

Quick question, might have been answered already but can’t find it.; is a 252 piece beter than 239 with max dom sock for m+?

[jagged pier]

no

[pine phoenix]

Thx

[ionic fern]

Unless you maxed out Oth.

[strong forum]

🇴 🇹 🇭

[blazing condor]

me tryna figure out what OTH stands for for a solid minute

[ionic fern]

Did you finally get it?

[blazing condor]

[ionic fern]

$pb 231135569562828801

[jagged pier]

<@&257983573498265600>

[true pawn]

Done.

[jagged pier]

😮

mwahi is speed

[blazing condor]

😠

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/the-flash-barry-allen-run-fast-gif-6144593

[ionic fern]

[twin cargo]

any big M+ pumpers here who can help me make a route thats survivable for a mediocre player at +21 or +20

for halls*

[ionic fern]

Wdym survivable?
It's one of those dungeon where people need to interrupt casts. If they don't it's gg. If they do it's easy.

If you post me the picture of the MDT map i can show you what i usually do.

[twin cargo]

its mainly the first areas

my friend who makes the routes likes to go crazy and i just cant survive the wicket bolts

ill post a pic in a sec

[ionic fern]

You're not supposed to facetank them tbh.

That sounds like a mong DPS issue.

[jagged pier]

that just means ppl need to inturpt

[jagged pier]

looks fine to me

[blazing condor]

https://gyazo.com/c2b9d9f61ac114fb32e03f98c5132c77?token=74421938906f08c4b492363d5bf73237

i do this

works fine for 20-21

[twin cargo]

hmm and wich trinkets do you guys use?

[ionic fern]

Nothing wrong with that route jep. 🤷

Mate

Your issue right now is

People not interrupting

[twin cargo]

im not a tank main so i got DPS ones

[ionic fern]

Yell at them.

[twin cargo]

yea ive thought about that

[ionic fern]

What trinkets do you have available?

[twin cargo]

all of them 252 except the phial changeling and ofc armor fragment

phial and decanter are 246

[ionic fern]

Probably phial + emitter

[twin cargo]

so not the decanter?

[ionic fern]

Try to get your hands on 1 absorb trinket:
Matrix
Scale
Aegis

Any of them work with Aegis/Matrix being really good.

[twin cargo]

our MT got aegis with avoidance yesterday

and he only raids, no M+ but instantly equipped it

my heart was broken lmao

[ionic fern]

[twin cargo]

matrix from guardian?

[twin cargo]

would even a aegis from heroic be fine?

or matrix

[blazing condor]

asked my cotank if he wanted me to spec for aegis

he said "wtf no why would i want that lol"

[twin cargo]

he doesnt do M+ does he?

i really want the trinket either way

its a sick trinket

[ionic fern]

Ya.

[twin cargo]

aight ill make sure to try and get it

i still have to do 9/10 bosses every week for the damn Old Warrior Soul

[pine phoenix]

You can take the small dudes out of the pull on the top right, you dont need Those for %

[blazing condor]

https://gyazo.com/df9acec85b2a7e0aaf07eb304609c289

i do 😦

[strong forum]

1 over count wtf man

Shit route

Unsubscribe

[blazing condor]

[pine phoenix]

Ahh wait I see now, u don’t pull the 2 dudes in the middle with your first pull

Then it’s just whatever I suits you I guess

[blazing condor]

it's worked so far but yeah

probably better routes out there

[pine phoenix]

Tbh in HoA it’s all evenly annoying

[blazing condor]

[craggy pilot]

I need to start trying that first shard pull 🤔

Only tried it once and people couldn't interrupt

But i guess you don't pick the hound pack on top

[ionic fern]

👀

That's what i usually do..the red marked pack i pull with depending on where it is.

I don't trust pug's enough to pull uber-big.

[median tulip]

On Fortified weeks I try to minimize the number of casters I pull in HoA

[craggy pilot]

Tbh the green pull doesn't look too dangerous

Only 3 casters if i remember correctly

[ionic fern]

Jep.

It's not.

[craggy pilot]

And you get more value of lust

[ionic fern]

Half the times people forget to lust anyways.

[craggy pilot]

😅

I usually pug with my guildie mage

[ionic fern]

Imagine having a guild.

[craggy pilot]

U have valerjar 😅

Skyhold i mean

[ionic fern]

I got the prot SF to carry me through things.

I should just grab a random guild from the #promotion channel.

[jagged pier]

🤔

[ionic fern]

I'M DESPERATE OKAY.

[jagged pier]

my guild will be loosing a tank soon

[blazing condor]

jakey leaving

[jagged pier]

well if the guild i spoke to could kill slyv that would be cool, cause then i can join them

[sweet summit]

[blazing condor]

skyhold guild when

only warriors

[jagged pier]

🤔

[blazing condor]

we got rally

[ionic fern]

And we got the new IV soon

So who needs healers anyways.

[jagged pier]

ture

[blazing condor]

victory do be impending

[ionic fern]

This is with the current one tho. 😂

[craggy pilot]

Why not just only warriors + healers

But if we see any of the healers in off spec, insta kick

[potent anvil]

Impending victory... is it the play?

[jagged pier]

depends how many killing blows u get

[craggy pilot]

Something new happening with IV? @ionic fern

[potent anvil]

So what you're saying is, I can be a scuffed DK

[ionic fern]

Yes.

It isn't bad tbh. Gives you some variety.
You do lose the 10% HP and some casts due to killing blow resets but it's still ok.
Currently it's doing ~equal(again, depending on procs) to what Indom is doing without taking the 10% HP from Indom into consideration.

It did feel weird sitting on 70k HP tho.

[potent anvil]

So assuming no resets, it's just worse.

[ionic fern]

• the heal is fairly big so it's not something you're spamming on CD regardless.

[potent anvil]

Yeah

[ionic fern]

Who's the lowest HP tank? 🤔

How much HP do paladins have at like 240 ? 👀

[sweet summit]

monk is

~same as us (without indom)

[craggy pilot]

So rather than having constant smol heals, we get 30s big heal CD?

[ionic fern]

25s

But yes.

[craggy pilot]

That's kinda nice tho

Useful when other CDs are down

[ionic fern]

-Costs rage
-On GCD

[sweet summit]

just use the conduit and its a hot too 🧠

[ionic fern]

I'm all for variety tho.

Take it into raid and snipe the heals away from healers so they get tilted.

[craggy pilot]

?

IV costs rage?

[sweet summit]

10

[ionic fern]

The worse part is the GCD tho. 😦

Feels so wonky.

😂

[craggy pilot]

😅

[strong forum]

Even without indom monk has less hp

[ionic fern]

Now i know how paladins felt when hotp got put on gcd.

[strong forum]

Monk has by far the least hp, then paladin

[ionic fern]

Paladin apparently has ~75k at 240

[jagged pier]

im at 95K with priest buff nearly 100k

[strong forum]

Ya and war has like 78ish at 240 without indom I think

[jagged pier]

🙏

[ionic fern]

I swear to god i had 71k

At 245

[strong forum]

I have 87k with indom at 244

So idk how 10% would be 16k

[jagged pier]

well and indom of course

[ionic fern]

I can't check my log. 😦

To double check

[jagged pier]

😦

[ionic fern]

And i also don't know how much hp i got with indom.

😂

[strong forum]

Monks at 250 have like 70k hp I think

[craggy pilot]

Is the conduit any use? Doesn't it say it heals based on the damage it dealt?

[strong forum]

253 monk has 76k hp

So, fuckall

[lime urchin]

But they have kegs! Much fun

[strong forum]

My opinion on monk is based on a fresh boosted level 110 brewmaster in a heroic legion dungeon

And lemme tell you, I fucking hated my existance, I left the dungeon after the 2nd pack

Haven't logged in since

Which level were we again in legion

100 or 110?

[ionic fern]

110

[orchid frigate]

just out of curiosity, what and why do you prefer to off-spec - arms of fury?

[ionic fern]

Fury cause it's fast phased.

I like to smash my buttons.

[orchid frigate]

good reason 🙂

[strong forum]

Arms cuz it doesn't flail noodles around

[craggy pilot]

I like Arms because I don't like carpal tunnel spec

Does IV do a lot of DMG? The conduit makes it heal extra based on DMG right?

[strong forum]

It doesn't do alot of dmg

[craggy pilot]

So the conduit is kinda shit 😅

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[bright flax]

Finally killed soulrender yesterday

It really was about getting that pull where nobody messes up long enough

80 wipes is a lot of wipes. Roster from 1st pull to kill was probably 50% changed, did not help

[brittle owl]

factually incorrect

[brittle owl]

factually correct

don't @ me

[median tulip]

Arms, because Kyrian Arms is hella funny with its "fuck that guy in particular" style

[orchid frigate]

😄

[median tulip]

If you're fighting packs where there's a priority target, Arms is really good at just killing that fucker right now

[orchid frigate]

oh

project alt WW is coming on nicely

now time for PF farm 😦

wish i was this lucky on warrior

[sick sentinel]

already got my PF trinket, whats all the looks for? its for tank spec after all kek

[median tulip]

It's kinda bad

[sick sentinel]

yeah, it's not very good, but it's stam trinket and ilvl

[craggy pilot]

Do u have a good chest?

Chest wrist much better upgrade than the trinket

[sick sentinel]

here's the healing it did in a +10

[craggy pilot]

Oh u alrdy took it

[sick sentinel]

yeh, i would have loved a dps one, but i'm not particularly fussy

already at 1400 rating, and its just good valor bracers and proper trinket slot 1, 1 bad trinket i can handle, not 2

[ionic fern]

That IP usage is wild.

[sick sentinel]

thinking about rebinding it to not so central as E

[craggy pilot]

1400 rating 🤔

What is your gear like?

[blazing condor]

its weird doing mists now with this much gear

[blazing condor]

before i struggled to reach 7k overall but now im pulling almost 8k

[sick sentinel]

i just got the ring last night, haven't been arsed to go enchantment it yet

[craggy pilot]

Push brother push, you should be able to do higher than 10s tbh 💪💪

[strong forum]

Not that wild tbh

That's my soa 15 where I basically did R1 dmg

[ionic fern]

Too wild

[strong forum]

Appropriate

:p

[ionic fern]

If ip is more than indom then no.

[strong forum]

Smh

[blazing condor]

ignore these nuts lol

[strong forum]

Still did 6.1k dps in soa tyr

But that much rage into IP stems from reprisal

That leggo is rage overflow to the max

That's with seismic in the DoS we did

Kek, both healing vials are exactly 36.6k

[ionic fern]

With reprisal.

[strong forum]

Then you're wasting rage

[ionic fern]

Can't waste rage if you're not using rage generators.

[strong forum]

My indom hps is higher than yours ergo, I used it better

[ionic fern]

😂 😂

[strong forum]

I need to do a mists..

[ionic fern]

I can't remember what key i got.:(

Also i just realised i haven't done a nw or dos as a tank on fort.

[sick sentinel]

i didn't think anything good came out of mists beside helmet and shield, ah weapon i guess

[ionic fern]

I just like mists cause i can do big pulls at the end and pad overall.

[strong forum]

Big overall, only physical dmg

Just going ham 24/7

Great dungeon

[sick sentinel]

guys forget the sim and also saying arms despite ihave prot equip itens, i just wondering is worth it to switch my reprisal to legs? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9EHptPkPAZJ4iozn7f8meJ

i did like this so u can see what i have

something about boots from raid? but i'm not a raid nerd

i joined a guild to do H-EP and got aotc +achievement mount with em, rest has been LFR and day 1 blindPUG normal raids for me :S

[craggy pilot]

Don't think it will be worth as u have 252 legs and only 239 boots

Just upgrade your boots

[sick sentinel]

no bringing reprisal

to legs

oh im stupid

[craggy pilot]

You will lose ilvl by switching

[sick sentinel]

true

in the long run?

it's not like it's going to be a gigantic loss, you just have to recraft if you get your boots

[craggy pilot]

In the long run it's a small increase, but up to you if it's worth the gold+the torghast time

I have my reprisal on boots, and i have 252 boots and 252 legs..

[sick sentinel]

yeah, hard pressed to find better legs than that for some time too

[craggy pilot]

It's pretty min max to swap legendary slot tbh... But it will give a little extra

[sick sentinel]

true

my legs are good

[craggy pilot]

Don't think you should worry about it unless you already min maxed every other aspect of your playstyle

[sick sentinel]

ty

[jagged pier]

<@&257983573498265600>

[grave grove]

$pb 386560456946483202

[blazing dune]

$pb 386560456946483202

[true pawn]

Done.

Done.

[sick sentinel]

👀

[strong forum]

Kill

[sick sentinel]

someone said something incredibly dumb and got banned sounds like?

[halcyon shard]

Wadner banning someone the fuck

[strong forum]

Spam bots

[halcyon shard]

Noms alt accounts

[sick sentinel]

oh, you never win against spam bots lol

[strong forum]

There are alot of spam bots around recently

[sick sentinel]

turn off all private messages for each individual server you are on

i got hit with it and could have got fucked if i wasn't vigilant

no socket so sad

[jagged pier]

why would there be a socket on boots?

[sick sentinel]

why not

xD

[jagged pier]

u cant get sockets on boots

[sick sentinel]

im stupid so

xD

ermmm, also, you have to use your imagination a bit, but i mean, pants isn't belt as well, so, uh, where do they put the socket on pants again? sounds a bit painful to shove a gem somewhere in a socket in my pants 👀

[strong forum]

There's 1 easy access solution

[craggy pilot]

Having sockets on jewelry is the only thing that makes sense 😅

[rugged mural]

Chest makes sense if you’ve seen Ironman

[wild pecan]

[obtuse monolith]

I’d post a pic but probably get banned

[sick sentinel]

i have to assume that the so'leah trinket, and probably so'azmi (tava'vesh) are trash, even with HM ilvl

[strong forum]

Codex has potential

It does stupid amount of dmg for bdks

Cuz they take so much dmg

[sick sentinel]

i've only ever completed it one time, there is a shield transmog i need from it as well

[obtuse monolith]

PS next time you guys run ToP there’s a new bug this week where the big trash in Xav’s wing don’t activate. Or might if you wait 30s.
I had to learn you can go “backwards” in platform wing to get more trash. Almost scrubbed my key

[sick sentinel]

when i went to TOP, i faced my self north when we beat first boss, cuz i thought it was the arena

took me until pulling 3 platform adds wtf, this aint right

[spring heart]

gentlemen

im doing platform 3-4 p3 m sylvanas prog

[sweet summit]

that was two different answers to the two different questions xd
should've formatted better lol

[spring heart]

and i dont understand one thing

in like 20 povs ive seen tanks who soak puddles on other platforms dont seem to get veil of darkness

ive seen like 1 pov where that happens

and if i get veil and i have to soak i feel like im fucked

do i have to time the jump mid veil to avoid getting it or is it just rng

[obtuse monolith]

Most +10 groups I’ve been in do platforms first. Incinerator for powers

[sick sentinel]

also, that bone storm guy isn't nearly as scary as he looks

normally i'd go right left portals for dual tornadoes, you just run through to back of them, and interupt

[mellow bridge]

bonestorm guy is the normal platform in high keys

most groups just kill the casters and chain him into everything else on the platform

very good count

[sick sentinel]

yeah, thats what i told them both big platforms is focus magus

[strong forum]

Why say many word when few do trick

[strong forum]

I have 86k with indom on

At 244

[ionic fern]

🤷

Trinkets etc

[strong forum]

Sounds like you need to git gud

[ionic fern]

Hmm. What gear did you have on when we did skyhold weeky?

[strong forum]

Seismic 235

And 239 pants instead of 262 pants and 239 shoulders

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1ZgTNJwAdR9XKPYq#fight=1&type=summary&source=5

The spires is regular reprisal

The DoS was seismic

[sick sentinel]

only problem there i see is fox

[sweet summit]

same

[craggy pilot]

Going seismic reverb and getting enha sham and monk 😅

Maybe priest for pi?

What more can you do to pump your dps

[brittle owl]

easy

pull around your cd's

pull small when dps have cd's up

intentionally kill off ultra high burst dps with frontals whenever possible

[craggy pilot]

I meant comp wise

[brittle owl]

4 priests

all give you PI

[craggy pilot]

Lul

I think 1 enha sham is bigger increase

[brittle owl]

that pi?

don't think so

[craggy pilot]

I think for prot WF is like 6-7% increase

But not sure how much with seismic

[cyan onyx]

So if you have a monk, a priest for PI, an enhance for WF, last thing I would do is a mage for lust and use it on trash/big pull

Well, shaman can lust so no

Another shadow priest to rotate PI

So you'll have the haste buff pretty consistently lol

[sweet summit]

WF is big bc more SS resets

but if u dont use SS its barely an increase

[strong forum]

Pi is 20% haste

WFT is 20% chance on additional auto attack.

[dusky canopy]

If I'm not mistaken WFT is big because we get double rage on some autos yeah?

[sweet summit]

ah yes

2+2 rage

huge

nah its just SS resets with devastator

that makes it huge

[dusky canopy]

So like

[strong forum]

It's just devastator

[dusky canopy]

In theory

[strong forum]

That's big

[dusky canopy]

Wft gives more revenge

Witch makes seismic bigger

[sick sentinel]

pwar, catweave druid heal, enchance shaman, rogue, X physical damage/fill

someone make that key happen

[craggy pilot]

Also wft is perm, and pi has cd

[cyan onyx]

I mean you can bring a priest and a shaman so that shouldn't matter

[dusky canopy]

Just run melee comp and try it out

[craggy pilot]

Ye i wanna funnel all DMG into prot warr 😅

[dusky canopy]

War/enh/ww/rogue/hpal

[cyan onyx]

Why rogue and hpal?

[craggy pilot]

Ye, we want the prot warr topping the dps

Not rogue

[dusky canopy]

Hpal ez mode

[cyan onyx]

War/enh/ww/spriest/disc or holy would be top funnel group no?

[plush tendon]

drop the rogue and add a second enhancement shaman, just in case the first one dies

[sick sentinel]

how about Hpal NF and he only funnels the blessing of seasons buff to us

[dusky canopy]

Or replace Rogue with Pi bot

[craggy pilot]

😅

[craggy pilot]

Gl finding that lol

[dusky canopy]

Yeah a meme best tank funnel would be something like that

War/Enh/WW/Spriest/Dpriest

[craggy pilot]

Or you can go 2 spriest and fistweaver

[dusky canopy]

Or Rdruid kyrian leggo used on you on cd

[cyan onyx]

Fistweaver doesn't give 5% Melee damage

[dusky canopy]

Thats prolly the way to go for the meme

[craggy pilot]

Rly?

[plush tendon]

No it does

[cyan onyx]

Does it?

No shit huh