Are dratnos routes posted on raiderio weekly routes bad routes?
#protection
blazing condor
they used to be pretty shit in s1
dunno how they are now
they're fine up to a certain level but you dont use them to push higher keys
sick sentinel
here is example as im kyrian so this specifically applies to me
there is a spear in this location, but its not marked on route to pull those guys, i'm pretty sure most groups account for the covenant thing, especially seeing as that works on the boss
so it seems like an gigantic, huge, rediculous overstep because you'd think picking it up would be so common, to have it posted where i imagine most casual players get their routes
cuz like, i legit have no idea how you would go get it without pulling those guys or doing some invis belt to it pick up and invis potion back
these are the kinds of things that drive me nuts
blazing condor
yeah thats a bad route
there's no reason not to skip nar'zudah either
or go left after bridge and take the goliath orbs
then again this is his "no skip" run
but dont do that
this is what i usually run in pugs
usually easy +2
actually i pull all 3 packs to the right together on the 2nd platform
mellow bridge
as you said, that's his no skip route
very basic stuff for low level pug runs
his routes with skips are ok for your weekly keys
median tulip
I would definitely skip Nar'zudah on Fortified weeks, and probably this week as he is no joke with Bolstering
median tulip
Out of interest, has anyone tried playing with Kleia, Elysian Might and Dragon Roar (as an alternative to the Seismic build)?
strong forum
For raiding or what
median tulip
Nah, M+
strong forum
You realise
That mikan reduces spear CD
So not going mikan, with elysian might
Is hard inting
median tulip
Yeah, but Kleia gives a massive crit buff
fathom turtle
prot warri with EM in m+ and not charge intervene leggy? 😮
median tulip
It's more than 6%
strong forum
Not guaranteed
median tulip
11% I think
strong forum
No lol
median tulip
Well true
strong forum
Loooo
And dragon roar loses already 30%dmg as soon as there's a 2nd target
Dragon roar only does 2x its single target dmg by 5th target, by the 6th target you lose even more
strong forum
prot warri with EM in m+ and not charge intervene leggy? 😮
Only for massive memes, not a good build
median tulip
I did say "as an alternative to Seismic"; I'm not putting this kite up against Reprisal lol
strong forum
Ya but it's just bad
tired ice
prot warri with EM in m+ and not charge intervene leggy? 😮
EM doesn't give Prot that much more damage than Reprisal i think, if you want a damage leggo get Seismic
strong forum
The crit synergy exists, but if you take everything into account you just lose dmg
Over just playing BV + mikan
Assuming you want to play EM
median tulip
Mostly it's just that I already have a max rank EM, and I don't have a max rank Seismic
strong forum
Seismic still gon do more 
tired ice
Rank isn't nearly as important as the effect
strong forum
Which makes me really mad
That people in mdi
Still play nature's Fury, even in mists 22 fort
The only existing argument for playing nature's fury would be for bosses
That's it
median tulip
I haven't really looked at Nature's Fury; I suppose I'll need to make one of those after 9.1.5
strong forum
It's generally only good for boss dmg
For everything else, reprisal or seismic is better
median tulip
To be fair I'll probably make it for Fury purposes anyway
strong forum
Which just confuses the fuck out of me
Why mdi players all run EM or NF
I guess they just blindly simmed 40sec 5 target
Or 2min boss
halcyon shard
MDI players blindly trusts the vers stack
strong forum
Or even worse
They just copy each other
Vers kinda makes sense for mdi
Cuz you don't want any kind of variation
But completely forgoing everything and stacking vers on war is dumb
Like they did
Cuz most of them run this fucking stupid vers+mastery ring
You have all the gear in the game, and you pick a fucking ring without haste... Like WHAT??
median tulip
Ritual Bone Band
AKA "That ring that alweays drops from ToP when everyone wants a different ring"
strong forum
Worse
They pick the one from fatescribe
They play the haste/vers from NW and then the fatescribe ring
Like wtf is wrong with you
You're already hard gated out of haste because of the 259s and Dom pieces
median tulip
Stitchflesh's misplaced signet is a decent ring
strong forum
Let's pick a dogshit ring to go with it
blazing condor
is it just me who gets stuck on loading screen (logging into the game) like really often nowdays?
it just freezes there
median tulip
I really want a Sworn Oath of the Nine ring
strong forum
They should run fucking the pvp ring, or painsmith ring, or death gods ring
halcyon shard
bro dont FUCK my joke @strong forum
strong forum
bro dont FUCK my joke <@!192743144276623360>
What if im tryna fuck you instead
halcyon shard
fossil mountain
Very fast question: is it possible to maintain 100% mitigation uptime as prot warrior?
strong forum
Yes
fossil mountain
Is it hard to do or easy?
fossil mountain
Sorry for low effort question. Don't play prot just trying to discuss some stuff with people
Thanks
strong forum
If you don't play those 2 in combination, 100% is not possible
But 80-85% is possible with reprisal alone
That requires good play though
lime urchin
But effective uptime can be 100%
fossil mountain
It's the commonly played m+ combo?
fossil mountain
I only take big dicks ^^
strong forum
The general question is, how much block do you need
Without any block talents or legendary I can get to close to 70% blocked hits
With reprisal 85% is close to peak
With reprisal + HR 95-100% is a must have, if you don't get those numbers you might aswell stop playing HR
sick sentinel
reprisal with am or heavy repre?
strong forum
Generally with AM
sick sentinel
ahh i tho heavy was bad
blazing condor
man people really out here log-cheesing for m+ dungeons
got #3 on a 16 NW but the #1 got 7 PIs
then again im dps whoring playing seismic
fast needle
I see many top tier prot warrior going for crit/haste. I assume they dont need much survivabilty anymore
sick sentinel
bolster can never trigger from non elites like spare parts or blight bags. is this correct?
mystic warren
bolster can never trigger from non elites like spare parts or blight bags. is th...
General rule of thumb is reds bolster reds, yellows bolster yellows. Then outside of that there are some that don't bolster at all because blizzard realized it creates impossible pulls
sick sentinel
ionic fern
I see many top tier prot warrior going for crit/haste. I assume they dont need m...
Your survivability comes from playing the class properly. Haste/crit both provide a decent amount of damage and survivability. Honestly anything can be selected as your 2nd secondary besides haste and you would be fine. Some people like haste/vers for the flat dr while others prefer haste/crit for increased damage.
sick sentinel
this is a MDT i made i think should work
fast needle
Your survivability comes from playing the class properly. Haste/crit both provid...
Ty for your answer. Im just getting into mythic raiding and was wondering which legendary and with which stats to craft as nf. I thought haste/versa on the wall was the option but i saw many going for haste/crit with aftershock leg
ionic fern
The Wall / Reprisal are the best "all around" Legendaries - especially Reprisal if played correctly. Nature's Fury is a pure dps choice - and so is the crit on it. You can choose either vers or crit together with Haste and it would still be fine. 👍
median tulip
Your survivability comes from playing the class properly. Haste/crit both provid...
I like Mastery for the overall damage and enhanced mitigation
median tulip
I hate the whole domination socket system, but unfortunately it is the most powerful option in basically all realistic circumstances
sick sentinel
like but even 239dom vs 252 in bigger keys?
now its curiosity
that gloves of mine isnt much difference i feel like
but in some itens does is it still better?
the absorve seems insane tho
jagged pier
normal dom sockets are better than 252
sick sentinel
should i be running LFR to learn the fights for normal experience and dom sockets then?
im 228 ilvl, 2 trinkets and weapon, i think bracers i can't upgrade that are holding ilvl down
tender imp
if u dont have blood gem set yet, then yes 100% run lfr
blazing condor
get that shit asap as possible my guy
sick sentinel
normal dom sockets are better than 252
what???
i mean in raid makes sense
in m+ doesnt right?
potent anvil
Which just confuses the fuck out of me
Imagine if I was playing prot warr in MDI..4th dps 
sick sentinel
testing out new plater addon that can change color of mobs in dungeon, just reminder text for what each color means for now
modern brook
in m+ doesnt right?
Ull get more out of the gems than <30 stats
modern brook
Damage
sick sentinel
modern brook
It's in pins
sick sentinel
this is the only gem i have for that
sick sentinel
It's in pins
will read it
sick sentinel
lfr dom sucks more than gear right
modern brook
No one asks pin questions anymore
sick sentinel
i aint tanking 15 with lfr
one
true
xD
including myself
if i can snag a neato burrito trinket from LFR hell yeah
modern brook
The stopping force from timing a 15 won't be lfr dom sockets tbh
latent pier
Heroic matrix still pumps?
what's the deal, by the way? I haven't heard about matrix till like two weeks ago.
mellow bridge
it has been good all patch 🤷♂️
even my normal matrix does like 300k dps/healing per key
hc just refuses to drop lol
mighty egret
yeah matrix is sick
latent pier
Wow. So for blowing up lower keys would you use it over sack for the double dps combo?
I've been using phial + sack and it's kinda funny.
mighty egret
dont see why not
matrix is just more balanced in terms of offense and defense
in lower keys all you care about is blasting
obtuse monolith
Matrix isn’t going to out-DPS Phial or Sack but it’s a good “split the difference” option. I do tend to run OWS though if I can chain-pull and keep stacks up. OWS w Aegis.
urban portal
anyone know the ppm on matrix
sick sentinel
this is a 15 necrotic, is this the normal dps protection profile?
im trying to learn everything i guess xD
i have a old warrior soul 220/lfr that im not using it , despite i chain pull
craggy pilot
you can kinda compare with my 15 spires i guess
but looks correct
probably ur Discharged Anima should be a bit higher, but thats weapon dmg in NW
obtuse monolith
Don’t know rated ppm but I’m seeing in my logs some 6min kills w 11 procs, or some 4min kills with only 5. Not sure if the 239 has a higher ppm than my 226.
The defensive buff stays up until the absorb/reflect amount gets used up. So if you take a 3k tick of something the Matrix proc isn’t wasted.
It does auto-proc if something drops you below 30% so that’d affect things too
mellow bridge
matrix is kinda weird for boss fights
a lot of variance
the procc can be wasted too in scenarios where the boss is immune but there is still dmg happening
limpid kite
The hp drop procc is so nice
mellow bridge
which isnt really an issue in m+; long enough for the variance to be minimal and basically no scenarios where the procc is wasted
craggy pilot
@strong forum what would you say does more DPS though? Seismic or EM?
im considering trying out EM because i have it for Arms, just to get a sense of how squishy i would be with Seismic 😄
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k9oLkWMcZfZCajjUbYXAHg
seems it is middle way between Reprisal and Seismic 🤔
jagged pier
what???
in m+ they are better
not amount of ilvl is worth the damage increase and the shield from kyr
jagged pier
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k9oLkWMcZfZCajjUbYXAHg
seems it is middle...
yes EM is not actually that good
urban portal
Aren't they running it in mdi tho
obtuse monolith
I’m in a weird spot on embers right now. 33 embers. On reset, weekly plus full clear N, full clear H, and world boss is 51, so 84 to spend. I can R5 my Blood w 50, R4 my Dyz w 30, but my Kyr is only R1 and I can’t put it to R2 without losing one of the other upgrades 😅
latent pier
Matrix isn’t going to out-DPS Phial or Sack but it’s a good “split the differenc...
Does aegis block spells? I haven't been lucky yet. :(
limpid kite
Yes its reduces everything
latent pier
OP. I love it
obtuse monolith
8s god mode every 90s. Total op. Mythic one must be even better
limpid kite
Still running heroic eye weapon cuz kt and chest dont like me with weapon drops 
craggy pilot
and seicmis has not value on ST
that was what i was wondering, so what do you think would be better Overall in a Tyran dungeon? EM or Seismic?
jagged pier
better overall will always be siesmic
sick sentinel
going to try running a WA that simply displays "not in melee distance" wheneveri'm more than 2 yard from target, just have to set it to combat only now
maybe that will improve dps
i have opc should i use that instead? xDD
urban portal
going to try running a WA that simply displays "not in melee distance" wheneveri...
or just get a swing timer
mellow bridge
Still running heroic eye weapon cuz kt and chest dont like me with weapon drops ...
you should probably get a 246 from m+ tbh
weapon and shield by far the most important slots
sick sentinel
guys stupid question
i dont have seismic, im using reprisal and its so good, but should i use whirlwind to spend rage or keeping revenge
urban portal
never ww
sick sentinel
ahh thanks god im doing it right
xD
guys help me, i simmed for dps, but i simm for dps its alot of crit to go for, should i just try?
sweet summit
you can try it if youd like
urban portal
sure if all you want is damage
sweet summit
until 9.1.5 👀
sick sentinel
right now i have 33% haste with that, its like going for alot of crit
urban portal
crit is the best damage source yes
sick sentinel
hmm, so i try, if i feel i dont have problem with survivality its fine?
doing dps even as a tank is fun for sure
i will keep reprisal tho
sweet summit
hell yeah brother
sick sentinel
ty guys
warrior best class when u play all 3 specs, u cant get tired :d
can i get someone to look at this and let me know if this is going to be good enough route
potent anvil
until 9.1.5 👀
sweet summit
lofty widget
will we actually be using ww in 9.1.5? 🤔
sweet summit
if you run a very specific build, probably
and by specific i mean bonegrinder conduit
lofty widget
yeah i saw the arms math on uncapped ww doing like 70k on one target with all buffs
rotund thicket
will we actually be using ww in 9.1.5? 🤔
what does ww stand for?
sick sentinel
whirlwind
rotund thicket
ew
potent anvil
4 casts of buffed whirlwind (also running seismic, so there's a second entry of whirlwind) to 5 casts of revenge (running Best Served Cold) against 5 targets on ptr. Seems pretty good to me 👀
This would be better as NF, though.
Since AA's rage gen is over time which is better than spear.
plush tendon
hmmmm, maybe they should just make bonegrinder's effect work for Revenge!
so I dont have to keybind WW -_-
potent anvil
Well bonegrinder is an arms conduit, so they probably won't unfortunately.
It's a pretty degenerate/niche playstyle anyway. So most people won't run it
jagged pier
font forget tho thats 120 rage on WW and 100 rage on revenge
and revenge has the SS proc chance
etc etc
potent anvil
Yeah, which is why I believe NF is better for doing this because AA's rage gen will be over time to help fuel the bonegrinder window
You have to chargeweave as non-NF if you wanted to min/max
near pewter
does Bonegrinder work for Prot now?
sweet summit
it always has
potent anvil
Always has
sweet summit
🍝
plush tendon
A man can dream of better Potency Conduits for Prot
near pewter
the description says when Bladestorm ends??
sweet summit
yep
potent anvil
Or ravager if you talent into it
sweet summit
but works with ravager
near pewter
ohhhhh okay
blazing condor
sick sentinel
oh no, its plaguefall 13
blazing condor
mellow bridge
pf is a good key
sick sentinel
you mean, time to get 1 shot by rotating tentacles
cuz, thats exactly whats going to happen
plush tendon
blazing condor
fuck pf
plush tendon
PF fun
Spell reflect first boss
lots of space, good timer, and pretty straightfoward
granted, cant pump like you can in Mists or Wake
tough silo
How much haste do you want in raid with Into the fray?
plush tendon
40%
urban portal
ravager
plush tendon
- into the fray
cinder nova
There's no cap.
urban portal
into the fray also doesnt DR with anything
cinder nova
And if you're hitting it, you probably don't need to be told.
jagged pier
How much haste do you want in raid with Into the fray?
u want 40% before u get the ITF buff ideally
tough silo
i just got this mace from pain, and i'm wondering if it's actually better than the sword.
tough silo
same with these hands:
cinder nova
Guillotine
strong forum
na that sword is basically bis
jagged pier
well one has haste one doesnt
strong forum
exactly
tough silo
haste is life <32
cinder nova
I thought KT sword was bis?
jagged pier
and the margin of errors in sims is like 50dps
strong forum
I thought KT sword was bis?
i said basically
cinder nova
Ah, yeah for probably the vast majority of players, then
sick sentinel
guys i still need ur help if u are full rage , and with quite some mobs in front for u, u still prioritize shield slam/thunter clap or spam revenge?
strong forum
if youre about to ragecap, IP
jagged pier
if your going to overcapp u use revenge or ip other wise no
sick sentinel
maybe im overthinking
strong forum
and TC can reset SS
cinder nova
You still want to actually use TC because it can proc SS and keeping yourself from just running dry is probably going to be better than just Revenging yourself to 0
strong forum
so its SS > TC/Rev
jagged pier
You can kinda skip tclap
never skip it gens rage and can give SS
potent anvil
I just pull more mobs to hit me in the face so I can revenge. More mobs = more incoming rage, ez
cinder nova
Isn't RFDT capped?
cinder nova
Yeah, isn't that mob # agnostic?
strong forum
yes
if you have 2 or 3 mobs
youre already capped at how much rage you get by getting hit
potent anvil
Yeah, well...more mobs = more dps, how about that 
cinder nova
I feel like a stooge because I forgot how normal legendaries and upgrading works. I can make a 235 legendary, powers and all, then later upgrade it to 262 if I have a 262 piece and the cinders, yeah?
strong forum
yes
cinder nova
Cool. I realized I wont have enough cinders for EM until the last assault of the week next week and wanted to have it for mythic prog
latent pier
What soulbind does prot want to use as kyrian, typically?
strong forum
Mik
cinder nova
Mik
latent pier
of course.
cinder nova
Ninja'd
latent pier
_>
cinder nova
Hmmm...
latent pier
I take it we use reactive retrofitting?
cinder nova
Is it worth lining up EM w/OPC? 🤔 I have a 252 hook, but the 246 OPC seems like it'd get a lot more value with EM.
strong forum
it should line up naturally
strong forum
i use the tree thats pinned
Sai
so i can multispec arms and prot without spending a single point
cinder nova
I suppose I'm more curious if I should run a 246 OPC over 252 hook with EM
latent pier
gotcha. I haven't played prot since I was a fairy like two months ago
strong forum
i actually swapped condensed and fueled tho
so i can run condensed with retrofitting
for max hps
latent pier
good idea.
jagged pier
no
sick sentinel
yes kinda ahha
jagged pier
if its going to overcap u no
latent pier
i actually swapped condensed and fueled tho
so in raids you would still use the spectrometer.
latent pier
gotcha.
plush tendon
is the Milk shield trait ever used?
cinder nova
I assume if you are okay with losing agency over phial and want to pump you can just go triple potency?
grizzled lotus
man, so many things seem good for Prot. This is my 3rd tank I'm gearing out this patch and it's not as simple as just "pick this one good thing" lol
plush tendon
cause I feel like thats a no
cinder nova
M+ probably
plush tendon
grizzled lotus
right now I'm trying Devastator/BSC/Ravager/Heavy Repercussions with Night Fae and Reprisal, but Kyrian leggo with Booming Voice and Anger Management to try to line up all the 45s cooldowns sounds dope too
jagged pier
seiesmic BSC is more damage
plush tendon
seiesmic BSC is more damage
but thats not what they are doing in MDI 
jagged pier
i mean sure, but they also dont always run kyrian
and EM BV etc lines up for their very big pulls where they want burst damage
and it does more ST damage
potent anvil
I dunno, I still think in an MDI setting...from what Ive watched, BSC+seismic would be better.
Better to clear trash faster than to optimize tank boss dps
imo
jagged pier
yes and no i mean they need more boss damage in most cases tbh
plush tendon
maybe we could do a 1/4 of a WW damage 😄
plush tendon
yes and no i mean they need more boss damage in most cases tbh
Yea, those NWs are pretty spicey
cinder nova
Yeah, don't their DPS do absolutely apeshit cleave?
What's the highest DPS in AOE so far
plush tendon
I think it depends on setting
potent anvil
A lot of time, they would pull trash into bosses... I would definitely have just gone a setup that maximizes trash damage. 🤷
But maybe that's like BFA MDI brain...
tough silo
got this from guardian now ❤️
cinder nova
sweet summit
still waiting for deswind to find a new hidden snap tech like he did in bfa 
potent anvil
I still have one in the pocket for DoS lol...reverse snap into manastorms, similar to that one team that did it with gorechop.
🧠
sweet summit
👀
potent anvil
Did it back in first s1 tourney realm for fun
distant crystal
what was that mdi tech recently
where the dh kept getting succ'd
from manastorms
and had to glide to stop it
sweet summit
i did not catch that 
distant crystal
they did some trash onto the manastorms but like, the trash kept literally pulling the dh off the ground toward the entrance
and finally it snapped to them and they killed
sweet summit
the slimes?
distant crystal
ya
potent anvil
Slimes do pull the threat target back
potent anvil
distant crystal
but he could just tap jump to glide and it would stop
distant crystal
same lol
potent anvil
The reverse snap that I know, is basically Rezan snap. You can pull trash and get snapped into manastorms.
The problem is...why would you want to snap any of that wing's trash into it though lol
sweet summit
ya that was sick
potent anvil
Ty, I was smart back then
sweet summit
distant crystal
you get like the false climax where they snap all the trash
then boom when tank snaps to boss and all the trash follows
potent anvil
TBF, I was wondering when someone would actually do it...the first time I noticed it was during s2 with reaping
Had a rogue tricks me to rezan with reaping or something and noticed it came with me.
YT comments right now 👀
sweet summit
new deswind vid? PauseChamp
obtuse monolith
5 war seismic team. See how high a key we can push 😆
blazing condor
seismic is degen but fun asf
potent anvil
Probably want a healer lol
blazing condor
feels fun having people be amazed
potent anvil
MW monk 4 prot warr?
blazing condor
skyhold weekly seismic only
potent anvil
Spirit bomb gamer?
strong forum
ofc lol
potent anvil
Yeah, I think they're better.
strong forum
dh cant do this dmg without spb
grand drum
Spb good again?
strong forum
always was good for padding
potent anvil
Like pull to pull basis
Hmm, I'd have to play it then.
I feel pretty tanky as is, but probably because I one trick
strong forum
spb + darkglare boon is a thing
since DH cant tank high keys outside of meta anyway
potent anvil
Also, what key is that? I'm close to averaging 9k in like mists and halls at 19-20 level. I still want to get a bit more gear
strong forum
15
slow cypress
As a new player wanting to tank, is it OK to take Ravager? I was told it wasn't very good by some guy in a pug m0, but it's great for building rage, and I don't have nearly as much trouble getting aggro on big packs. Would you just rely on spear of bastion or is it fine?
blazing condor
strong forum
As a new player wanting to tank, is it OK to take Ravager? I was told it wasn't ...
ravager is the better talent
blazing condor
As a new player wanting to tank, is it OK to take Ravager? I was told it wasn't ...
you always play ravager in m+ unless youre doing top content or raid
the m0 pug probably has no idea how to play the class at all and just looked at what the "best" players did
without knowing or understanding anything at all
latent pier
How do you sim out what gear you should be using as prot? I'm trying to figure out what rings/neck to slap on as I dust the spec off.
latent pier
so mythic nine ring and grue neck should be gucci
fringe marten
Insanely off topic; i heard some synthwave jams the other day by a group who's name was 3something anyone know the name? it starts with a 3
slow cypress
@blazing condor awesome I was hoping so. I looked up the best prot warrior on the leaderboards and saw he took heavy repercussions, and maybe I'm reading it wrong but it looks like something that I wouldn't be able to play the class well enough to make it work well lol
Thank you for the answer
blazing condor
HR provides extra shield block uptime which is very necessary at the highest key-levels. Thats why people run it
its not bad or wrong per se to run it in lower keys, but its kind of redundant
slow cypress
I am still at the point of trying to remember to keep block up lol luckily once I did a +2, and 0 to some extent, it was pretty obvious the difference in how sturdy it makes me.
It's a lot of fun so far though.
blazing condor
Its all about having fun
urban portal
Probably want a healer lol
prot pal
median tulip
Fucking Sanctum. 8 Bosses, not a single Plate/Strength/Tank drop
urban portal
i still cant believe they nerfing spirit bomb next patch
craggy pilot
how do people get interrupt timer that includes Spell Reflect? 😮
strong forum
its a WA i think
craggy pilot
it looks very similar to the OmniCD though 🤔
potent anvil
Zentracker, yeah. Unfortunately it's no longer maintained?
Unless someone else started updating it
sick sentinel
https://wago.io/r_Z2HNoP9/2 @craggy pilot
if u want to check
thats what im using
it has the spell reflect
craggy pilot
ah thx
always been wondering if i should get something to let people know when i Reflect
blazing condor
in my experience
it dont matter
people will interrupt regardless
but maybe youre more lucky than i was
also no need to get a WA just make a /say macro
sick sentinel
i have that and have BigDebuffs addon
so i know the next 3 secs they are stunned and wtv
craggy pilot
dont want /say macro, in case i spam the button to save my ass in a sticky situation 😄
sick sentinel
here's what i got done this week, many depeletes
guys if i sim
it goes like this
if im not siming i go for haste and it simms btter in a sense
how can i get best of both world
blazing condor
first set gives you 14 more strength
sick sentinel
id id 5 targets
median tulip
You can't really sim tanking in the way you can sim dps
You need to play with it and see where you find comfortable with Haste. I found anything below 20% Haste was unplayable for me.
sick sentinel
in PF keys do we go fetch the anima dude at ickus first?
sick sentinel
like after you kill the 3 trash groups i suppose obviously but
blazing condor
i personally take first pack on left, then go power, take furthest pack and then kill pack with red slime
for necro buff
feral drift
Any flawless torg recs for leggos? Kyrian spear or just stick with Reprisal
fringe marten
Zentracker basically got replaced by OmniCD
Duffman actually probably triple leap leggo? But it doesn't stack with the power that adds 2 charges to leap, if you're trying to cheese on the earthquake stuff.
But the mobility alone probably outweighs anything else?
When I do torg I either use triple leap, or Seismic reverb
usually seismic reverb
fringe marten
? Yogi what are you talkin' about?
sick sentinel
he said something about 2 orbs so i should pull both groups in that room, we did and i took a ton of dmg from something and died
fringe marten
This is not the week for that.
sick sentinel
this guy was telling me something about "2 orbs"
fringe marten
Bolstering basically shuts that down.
fringe marten
So there's 2 kinds of 'orbs' people will refer to in necro wake, 1 anyone can pickup, the other are the ones the golems spit out when you get your steward to 'activate' them.
sick sentinel
i have no idea what that is
fringe marten
There's 2 of them, generally the tank gets them..but they do not add threat (the spears DO) so anyone CAN use them.
sick sentinel
wait, at the dead giant, i can pick up an orb to use it for dps?
blazing condor
first one is on the 2nd platform with narzudah
2nd is in the 2nd boss' room
near the dead goliath
fringe marten
The first is just after the stairs up, after first boss to the left, after the 2 mobs there's a dead goliath..and a white glowing orb, the tank usually gets that.
sick sentinel
see, i always forget that, all kinds of buffs you can get in NW
fringe marten
The second is BEHIND the dead goliath up and to the right after the stairs that lead to the second boss, where you trigger her 'RP' event.
sick sentinel
i think i understand whats going on now, but i'll have to pay more attention to all this crap
fringe marten
You go up the stairs, and to your right 10 feet away will be a dead golem, behind it..is orb #2.
sick sentinel
i was literally staring right at it
blazing condor
there are 3 spears, 3 hammers, 2 orbs, 2 shields
fringe marten
But here's the thing; don't listen to those guys on THIS WEEK. Bolstering is not a good week for huge pulls in that surgeon stage area.
blazing condor
and 2 goliath orbs
sick sentinel
and i thought you walk over it to get a buff like the first boss one, doesn't activate and on the time, so didnt take time to work out what was going on
fringe marten
There's 2 ways you can generally work that room, saving an orb for it, doing a large pull (usually CC one of the guys that 'throws' shit at people)
fringe marten
The other, the more fun one I think..is doing a giant pull and having a dps SPEAR the whole thing, and then AOE taunt (you HAVE To have aoe taunt ready for this)
sick sentinel
what about uses for the shield and hammer
fringe marten
But the tools have been nerfed, and the huge spear pull doesn't work well any more..so the 'orb' pull is basically the go to play now.
Shield: forget it exists.
So here's my recommendation and how most coordinated teams do it.
sick sentinel
well, one of the NWs i did, the DH was kyrian, and so he went right to it to get it
fringe marten
You want to get the hammer at the very start, so usually a rogue can sap..or you can have a monk do a paralyze/rop move on it..etc
fringe marten
there's a lot of ways to get it without pulling the mob. Secondly..you can stack 1 of each tool.
blazing condor
on tormentors or bosses
sick sentinel
i felt obligated to get shield since im kyrian and it was just there, does a thing
fringe marten
And the tools are used from the MOST RECENTLY PICKED UP, to the oldest.
So generally the TANK says "rogue..hammer 1, spear 1...mage..hammer 2, spear 2..DK..hammer 3, spear 3.." (obviously just random classes)
sick sentinel
you can pick up more than 1 and it will remember?
fringe marten
So now the dps each have a hammer, and a spear...then you DO NOT SPEAR boss 1 (gorechop or whatever)
sick sentinel
oh yeah? i've always done it with spearing and goliath buffing us
fringe marten
then you spear each boss thereafter..and use lust/hero/etc and possibly orb (this week only) on Surgeon Stitchflesh ONCE he comes down from the surgery stage.
So you pull boss 1 into the orbs..you tell steward to activate..then pull boss insta, so the orbs pop out as he gets there.
The reason you don't spear him, is he's so easy.
The other bosses are serious problems on tyrannical if they live too long.
sick sentinel
was just an 11 but the dragon thing was a joke
fringe marten
So you spear boss 2, 3, and 4...and now on boss 4, after you spear him..you send the hammers..they USED to do insane damage, now they just do "ok" damage (still a ton)
craggy pilot
boss 3 is quite easy with spear, and if people do the hook correctly
sick sentinel
got off at least 3 reflects of bolt
craggy pilot
you generally dont lust boss 3
fringe marten
But using the orb in the surgery theater and doing a huge pull...you're gonna' die this week. You ARE GOING to die.
IE wipe..not just you die.
you would have to have an amazingly coordinated team to cleanly shred down all the mobs so they all die without creating a gigamob.
sick sentinel
thats what happened but we killed it
craggy pilot
just kill the spareparts alone
fringe marten
OF course..and that's an 11.
fringe marten
But the important thing about the orb is, it does a lot of aoe damage, but SILENCES everything as it pulses.
This is why it's generally used for the necromancer pack before stairs to second boss, or miniboss Narzudah, or even ON second boss with adds/etc. And then another orb is used in the surgery theater to do a large pull.
But regardless of what other people are saying, you do a big pull upstairs on a tougher key and the likelyhood you create a GOD Kyrian Stitchwerk is like 99%
craggy pilot
anyone know where to get a NW map that shows weapon locations?
fringe marten
And it will probably wipe your whole team and cost you WAY more time than you saved by trying to pull off a more aggressive pull.
sick sentinel
he already killed me by that point, no food buff if you notice
craggy pilot
found it 🙂
fringe marten
Also other random tips for necro wake that matter.. You don't need invis/stealth/anything to skip Narzudah (the caster miniboss after boss 1)
You SMUSH your face into the left wall and around the little wooden structure sticking out..and you can just skip him and get hammer/spear without any worry..that's why ANY dps can do this.
as a warrior you can also leap over the ? right corner? of the geometry on the other side and skip him..but since only you can do it..it's not useful to the group.
craggy pilot
sounds like a skip 90% of pugs will pull in
sick sentinel
i haven't seen it fail much but i use the belt enchant for engineer invisbility
fringe marten
My own guildie did it..after I told him exactly how to do it, he still fucked it. Like "just MASH your face into the left wall, you will skip 100%" and he still messes it up.. "HOW?"
sick sentinel
doesn't share potion cooldown but it last 3 seconds less (15s vs 18) and has a chance of fail
fringe marten
and you can; but again..you don't have to.
But the key takeaways are..you assign each dps 1 hammer, 1 spear.
Then assuming (HUGE ASSUMPTION) they don't mongo it..and use the spears where you tell them..Boss 2, 3, 4.
You go into boss 4 with 3 hammers. You can either use to cut like 30% or more of his HP off (used to be WAY more) or use hammers to break his frost shield each time they pop up.
(the frost shield and losing 1 dps player is why that boss is a giant POS)
sick sentinel
i'll never get hit by commet storm if i'm using even a single brain cell
fringe marten
Also remember his frost 'nukes' that he shoots at you are actually physical attacks and are blockable..if he starts chunking you it's not because you didn't reflect, it's because you didn't block.
Comet storm doesn't even matter.
sick sentinel
you just walk fowards for, what is it, 9 blots? back to boss
even makes reprisal opportunity
fringe marten
Also? other rando tips that are useful/help Pull boss 2 (dracoliche) into the corner where the dead golem is (that hides orb 2) it force clusters a lot of his spawns and just makes it easier to collect them.
sick sentinel
usually when i see wipes on that boss its cuz people aren't doing comets right
craggy pilot
CCing one of those adds makes it not explode, but just despawn
blazing condor
this also works for stuns
if something isnt killed
when the cast goes off
one shockwave at the right time and you save a wipe
craggy pilot
oh didnt know that, thats big 🧠
fringe marten
Yeah, cc'ing a mage (usually) from a hunter or something.. then don't touch it until she casts her ritual and it dies harmlessly. But in lower pug keys...like 0% chance that happens.
modern brook
Any loss of control cc will work
fringe marten
Hunter trap/poly etc.
craggy pilot
i would usually use Hammer for the Necromancer before 2nd boss anyway
fringe marten
But again; if you're pugging 11's and people are doing mongo stuff..the cc thing gets ruined a LOT.
craggy pilot
you can even double anima orb the upstairs tbh
fringe marten
Nielsen why? 1 orb cleans that group out
Sure; nothing wrong with that but I think that pack is a lot of free count with an orb, and not dangerous if people just bomb the necro, and you shut the pack down with the orb. It's bolstering week..the "let's find ways to go as HUGE as possible upstairs" is going to kill you.
sick sentinel
also a balance of how much you do shot calling cuz like if your talking too much they might just ignore you
and if you never talk, they might think things
ty guys
craggy pilot
yea wouldnt double orb upstairs on Bolster, but on non bolster you can
its not needed for the Necromancer
you can just solo interrupt the Volley, and youre good
sick sentinel
u read what u said
craggy pilot
or even CC a crossbowman
fringe marten
Yogi, watch any of the MDI teams or even very high key level pushers. Though it's often the tank, not always..but there's a guy literally directing the whole thing. It's no different in raids..in progressive mythic raiding in cutting edge/HoF guilds the raid lead is almost non stop calling what to do.
Even at the highest levels of play..the macro play of maximizing dps, interrupting stuff, dodging mechanics..etc is occupying a huge amount of your brain. Remember that ONE key thing you had to do that was critical to the success of the run..may slip your mind.
sick sentinel
i did mists, went with the tank one and not the sim one, sims seems so wierd
fringe marten
Like ..you're trying to pull/go fast and you discover when you get to boss 2...that the DPS you assigned to hammer/spear 1..didn't get hammer 1, or didn't get spear 1 "Oh I forgot it" How many people here have had a dps have to go back for the first spear because they just overran it?
craggy pilot
is it possible to pick up the first hammer without pulling the guy on the right? 🤔 i keep forgettingh
fringe marten
So weather you're the tank or a dps or whatever, someone takes on the role of the shot caller..people need it. Max from limit proved it..just sitting out of raid and telling them what to do and not even 'playing' the game is what lead to them stealing world first from method/etc and then EVERY OTHER GUILD copied that.
Nielsen you need someone with a 'move' for it...IE mindsoothe, sap, para+Rop kickback..etc.
it's not like hammer 2 where you can literally hug the wall and anyone can get it.
I mean; professional sports teams have a coach. An offensive coordinator/coach..defensive coordinator etc (for american football)
You just being good at dps/interrupting/running and dunking the ball..whatever. is not enough to be successful..having someone looking at the bigger picture and saying "ok don't forget to get spear 1 PersonName" as you pass by it..is perfectly fine.
But just go watch any higher level key pushers, weather it's the tank or not someone is saying "person next kick..ok you get the urn next, doing big pull so pop off here..don't forget we're invising at X point in the dungeon, so don't pot on this next boss..."
primal cape
i sold a 252 piece to NPC coz of sismic lég
urban portal
Are you selling keys or soemth
Maybe I need to get my tank Io up
And sell keys myself
zinc imp
Is this with the seismic build?
dreamy wedge
Will the change to Impending Victory on the PTR matter for Prot? A 40% heal on that short of a cooldown sounds kind of nuts, though Indomitable is really nice so idk
strong forum
Its still very niche
Not gonna beat indom
Youd need to use it like 14 times in a 5min window to beat indom
dreamy wedge
I mean with the reduced cooldown you could use it 12 times in 5 minutes, though if you need a 40% heal that often something is probably going very wrong
dreamy wedge
Okay yeah that's pretty unlikely lol, I see your point. Such a weird change; the talent row it's on for all 3 specs means it's unlikely to ever really get picked
strong forum
Yah they literally can't make a talent compete with indom seriously
Without being absolutely busted
You could make an argument for raiding where you could maybe cosplay a bdk with IV
But like
I can't see it
sick sentinel
well, if your gunna roll a tank thing in any game ever
10% more HP is a complete no brainer
obtuse prism
So weather you're the tank or a dps or whatever, someone takes on the role of th...
just to add 2c to this - there are two different mentalities here. 1. everyone calling the shots need to be in the field, or 2. anyone can call shots. as long as both teams do the same the fight is even - but when they dont 2. is better. (ps not meant to argue just add a bit of insight)
next plaza
Double checking. Is it known that the first potency on mika is bugged? I swapped my spear conduit into it and now it generates less [rage]
median tulip
Will the change to Impending Victory on the PTR matter for Prot? A 40% heal on t...
What are they doing to it?
lofty widget
40 % heal on a 25 sec cd instead of 30 % heal on a 30 sec cd
median tulip
Hmmm. Any increase in the damage?
sick sentinel
i'd like to hope it can see niche play with the conduit that makes it heal over time
fringe marten
Well sure, but your goal is trying to compare an achievement. IE the 'race to world first' Because so many people saw the 21st raider as 'cheating' But to even SAY that means, it's the BETTER play. Now weather or not you want to argue which way is more validating for a 'race' to raid completion..that's not the statement I was making.
sick sentinel
like, you just use it on CD, and then your putting a renew type heal on your self
fringe marten
I'm just talking about how a 'shot caller' is used in SO many team endeavors..sports/etc and this game is no different. It just makes things easier for people to focus on THEIR task; then have someone also remind them of something important to do or a strategy adjustment etc (professional fighters)
median tulip
i'd like to hope it can see niche play with the conduit that makes it heal over ...
That's why I was wondering if there was a damage increase. Well, that and if there is, then the DPS output starts to look good for keys
lofty widget
no dmg increase so far
median tulip
Meh, then
fringe marten
Liskawc to your point; imagine if you went into an NFL game and your team was really good, but your coach/offensive coordinator/etc was a lineman or the wide reciever..and they had to try and call stuff while running around the field trying to catch a ball and evade other players..and THEN you played against a team using actual coaches and the guys with cameras and headsets watching every angle of the game, calling shots from the sidelines etc.
sick sentinel
shield block is 30 rage and ip is 40, so you are getting 3% and 4% hp heals from using those each time
with indom
fringe marten
I get your point; from a comparative standpoint in a 'race' to clear a raid.. there should be a standard rule for the 21st man. But that's the thing..this is raiding in a video game so there aren't a ton of standards set up for that kinda' thing.
It's kinda' wild that the strats they use and how they want to play fights gets broadcasted now..those used to be the real secret sauce; figuring out the fight on top of executing it. Now everyone's strategy is open to see and everyone just copies whichever one works better..it's JUST about the execution now.
sick sentinel
i'm really glad that the belt invis doesn't trigger potions, cuz i would have borkd the NW 11
or, i would have had to die and take rez
fringe marten
I wholeheartedly agree though; if I'm putting the kind of time and effort into world first raiding like those people do, and I come in 2nd by a few minutes or just barely miss a kill and have a wipe; then the other org wins..and they had a 21st man and OUR org had a raid lead calling while playing in the fight? I'd be salty and think it was unfair.
Yogi yes you are btw.
You also get heals from casting revenge/etc..what you DON'T get it from is the 'free' revenge! proc. Because you aren't 'spending' rage.
lofty widget
is it really unfair if both teams have access to the 21st man but one team chooses not to utilize it?
fringe marten
Chimmi his point was basically there needs to be a standard set; and there's just NO way blizzard is going to enforce that. So the competitive raid community HAS to adopt the 21st man strat because it IS better.
median tulip
shield block is 30 rage and ip is 40, so you are getting 3% and 4% hp heals from...
I'm wondering if there's a potential with whichever soulbind it is (one of the NF ones IIRC) that converts overhealing into an absorb shield
fringe marten
No; because if you're tanking content SO easy that you can overheal constantly and build up a huge shield it means you'd JUST want to pump more damage.
And if you're tanking content that punishes you; you will never be able to overheal any amount that matters for the purpose you're suggesting.
sick sentinel
i think that like, the 10% hp from dom should just be base and they can work it out to somethin else
lofty widget
the fact that you always get value out of indom makes it better than any other choice on that row, regardless of tuning
versed wasp
in a pug is it better to take storm bolt or should i just stick with double time?
and on RIO im seeing Heavy Repercussions used over Anger Management
Why is that
cunning viper
how would you convince someone to bind execute as prot war
potent anvil
Kinda have to, if you want to min/max ST dps.
versed wasp
Isnt execute quite important to have binded as Prot, especially this week
helps you funnel damage on priority targets
obtuse prism
Totally agree Dadugan. And i think what is important is that they think it’s fair because that then prevents any saltiness that might spoil it for us the viewers. I really enjoyed the 9.1 race, and in the bigger scheme of things im liking echo having a 6th man for mdi as well. I think it adds to the content we view and cheer for (even tho im a dorki fanboi lol)
cinder nova
Seismic or EM for cheese M+? 🤔
potent anvil
Seismic is more damage
cinder nova
Seismic is more damage
Would you use Bulwark over Brand? 🤔
I'm just trying to max my damage at this point.
full bluff
Planning to switch from necro to kyrian/fae and man am I having a hard time deciding which to go with
Both of the abilities are so neat
worthy karma
Where should I craft seismic?
mighty egret
feet
versed wasp
Planning to switch from necro to kyrian/fae and man am I having a hard time deci...
im having a similar dilemma
both abilities are really cool
and both are really good for M+
full bluff
Yeah, I'm M+ focused too
full bluff
Really, necro? Huh
versed wasp
i made a typing error
meant only 1 is necro the rest are kyrian
full bluff
Ahh ok
Yeah I really like the idea of running mikanikos for super low cooldown spears
But in general I think the NF soulbinds are cooler
versed wasp
think im going to go kyrian
low cd spears as well phial seems really good
time to farm 70 renown
median tulip
Mikanikos also has a pretty sweet mid-rank Haste power
full bluff
Gl, hope it's the right choice
I also kinda want to go night fae for the armour, it's the only plate I don't have
median tulip
In 9.1.5 you'll be able to switch freely
lime urchin
well, the scary faries will surely give you nightmares
but then again those blue owls do as well
blazing condor
the owls are white
jagged pier
but kelias thighs are blue
lime urchin
I wouldnt know, I tend to run away from them
blazing condor
😳
lime urchin
after I grabbed their potions tho
sick sentinel
i need to add macro or something to tell owl go away soon as i get his potion
gets in way confuses me
blazing condor
theres a WA that auto-dismisses it
once you talk to it
if youre in NW it insta repairs the goliaths as well
sick sentinel
probably pepega, but i set up WA to display reminders for SB IP with sounds if it falls off
cyan onyx
median tulip
I don't think I could tank without my weakauras TBH
rugged mural
probably pepega, but i set up WA to display reminders for SB IP with sounds if i...
Does that mean you try to keep IP up near 100% of the time you’re taking damage? I’m not sure I use IP that much. I’m only doing H SoD and 16-18 keys atm though.
craggy pilot
Shouldn't need sounds for IP, for SB maybe though, just remember to use charge intervene then you almost never have to even use IP
rugged mural
Yeah, I have some glows set up for SB. IP is more of a rage dump, magic damage, or I’m expecting big incoming damage. Wasn’t sure if I should aim for more usage.
craggy pilot
probably pepega, but i set up WA to display reminders for SB IP with sounds if i...
Was more as a reply to this
lime urchin
IP? Is that an abbreviation for Revenge?
blazing condor
I Pump
craggy pilot
Insane pump
plush tendon
I think i pump
sweet summit
i think, therefore i pump
trim basin
hey guys i saw a youtube video of a warri tank having 9k dps
is this achievable with reprisal
or just with seismic?
sweet summit
was it deswind?
trim basin
yeah
sweet summit
the mists video?
trim basin
exactly
sweet summit
yah he is cranking with seismic
sweet summit
deswind owns
trim basin
you know the talents aswell by chance?
trim basin
kk thanks 🙂
sweet summit
nah he ran crackling
plush tendon
crackling>bounding
trim basin
im gonna try this
plush tendon
Havnt granted Seismic yet.... been skipping on my torggie
sweet summit
plush tendon
and now I want to learn arms so I need to craft EM
and swap back to Kyrian for the 10th time
trim basin
Havnt granted Seismic yet.... been skipping on my torggie
yeah same
what spec is fastest with torghast btw?
plush tendon
NF cranks too hard
I thought Kyrian was de way now?
trim basin
is tank faster ?
sweet summit
(idk about dungeons but NF is better for raid at least and thats all i care about)
(for arms)
orchid frigate
do we do more dps than prot pala with siesmic? 🙂
orchid frigate
kk will craft it and try it out. sounds like fun
plush tendon
I think it has the potential to do more
but you do lose Reprisal to get it
Whereas Prot Paladin doesnt lose out on def to pump
orchid frigate
plush tendon
yea, dont trust that
Like, just off of memory, revenge is like 20% or more of my total damage
a extra 75% of that is a nice boost
jagged pier
im pretty that was written before the leggo was buffed
and before we started running BSC
orchid frigate
oh
sweet summit
thats a point
orchid frigate
the article should be updated then!
plush tendon
or keep it a well hidden secret and see if blizz buffs it 😛
plush tendon
oh BTW for any Blizz dev, Prot War is underpowered we need a buff please and thank you 🙂
plush tendon
As my old GM puts it; SL Prot Warrior is still paying for the crimes that was BFA Prot War
jagged pier
no because then they will redesign the class badly to fix the issues again
plush tendon
We talk about tank inbalance now... BFA tank inbalance where Prot Warriors bodied everyone else was criminal XD (except raid, but who cares about raid tanking)
worn bear
any clappers?
sweet summit
👢 🍵 👏
strong forum
Probably not updated for 9.1
Gotta check when it was last updated, and prolly it was only for launch
When it was only 30%
blazing condor
lazy mods
strong forum
the article should be updated then!
They don't get paid to update every page on all of the guides
jagged pier
plush tendon
Cov?
trim basin
NF
karmic plinth
the only one you need is the cov conduit
show of force is potentially more damage than fragment but fragment doesnt need you to do anything to get the most value
if u only play prot u can do this
plush tendon
yea, that looks right
ashen saddle
best slot to craft sismic ? shoulder ?
karmic plinth
if you dont raid head gives more stats
sweet summit
since you only really use seismic in m+ i think head is the best slot since the 5th gem is kinda w/e
but boots are also good
sweet summit
thats a valid option
strong forum
Shoulders are beyond cheap
Since its domslot and nobody crafts it on a Dom slot
Legit 22k gold on my server
plush tendon
mans got to make a living somehow
strong forum
For my server, 249s are more expensive than 262s
29k for 249 shoulders
22k for 262 shoulders
karmic plinth
i have to wonder what makes someone craft a 249
plush tendon
it was only useful for early prog
when a extra 13 I levels would have been big
now its just a money sink for crafters
modern brook
I hate the new ilvl system so much
sick sentinel
when i go to pull this if the river hurts me, is there a land spot to stand on there at the river without aggro miniboss?
latent pier
At the pink pull?
blazing condor
im p sure you can stand there and not pull the tormentor but ive never tried it myself
and its most likely very tight
since you dont pug so high keys i wouldnt trust pugs to do it properly
maybe just pull the 2 smallies with the tormentor then take big guy with the tentacle with bomb
mellow bridge
your pulls seem unnecessarily big/risky for the keys youre doing yogi
and skipping that pack at the stairs is kinda odd too
latent pier
You can just stick on the edge you pull the slimeclaws on.
Slime laws run they won't pull soggy unless a pet pisses him off.
blazing condor
Just keep it simple
No need for hard pulls
You can pretty much W through dungeons all the way to 20
And even higher if you got good people
undone verge
I basically just have a straight line through the place
blazing condor
In my pug route i just go straight then go left after 1st boss and skip most packs
Then just W the rest
undone verge
I skip all the trash at the start other than the big guy, then after first boss I go right and also grab the one green slime pack
sick sentinel
do you have a route string/link so i can compare what you are talking about?
blazing condor
Just an easy route with no troubling packs
Then you take slimes downstairs too
sick sentinel
thats with invis in the river and river wont take you out of stealth i guess
