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blazing condor
potent anvil
@strong forum Halls+18. I'm so close to that 9k overall 
strong forum
huge
i played the standing still power in SoA
it was LITERALLY
PHYSICALLY
HURTING ME
to stand still
strong forum
it actually hurts my hand
to stand still
only pressing 1 button literally hurts me
limpid kite
At morning I did a key with a encha shaman and the totem gives so much rage my revenge button like it
potent anvil
Enh shaman, mw monk, prot warr combo 🤔
blazing condor
🤤
potent anvil
I actually started using OPC+gland...1x champ brand brings me to 45% crit lol. Probably won't cut it in the 20-21+ keys, but seems pretty fun
OPC on-use would bring me to like 53% or something
bright flax
@blazing condor you actually pushed me down right the next day lol
Thought we were brother in rage
bright flax
Guardian, the only 99 i had 
bright flax
Only reason i parsed high was kill time, 3:30
Barely had time to execute
If the fight were longer Id going down like the scrub I am
strong forum
and have others hold dps in execute
he did 7.6k dps
as necro
with IQD equipped
so you just know the cheese was real
bright flax
Rofl
blazing condor
ez
strong forum
they also had DPS literally stop doing dmg in execute
so he could just go more ham
gotta love heroic cheese logs
bright flax
Thats it, im done with dps logs. Time to spam IP for the healing log
Matrix and aegis on CD
Need to get some stam flasks
blazing condor
bruh i had a guy like that
a co tank
only going for #1 healing logs
in our mythic prog
bright flax
I had a #1 healing log in CN on bdk I think
was 1 or 2, on sun king
guild's strat was to solo tank and bring 6 healers
and we'd clear debuff with bop
add draven's dr on top of it that counts as healing
ez
I say ez, but in fairness it was hectic af and I was shaking at the end of the fight
potent anvil
I'm all for doing degenerate play to parse, but not to the extent where I have to tell people what to do or not do 
blazing condor
☝️
i will parse whore and do all kinds of shit
but not (entirely) on the expense of my whole raid
sometimes i'll let people kite a bit on taragrue in the end but thats about it
bright flax
Agree, but I suppose #1 dps parsers like the warr on guardian have their guilds back for it as well
blazing condor
you dont really get #1 just by playing it normally
unless youre #1 to do the boss
bright flax
Theres a couple guilds that specifically do it so they simp for diff players on their runs
grizzled lotus
Just learning Prot Warrior now, is this the place for noob questions?
tired ice
Read the guides and check the pins
If that doesn't answer your question, THEN this is the place
sick sentinel
most groups for 10+ going to be ready to bring invis pots keys? looking at a route for PF says invis at the very start
primal cape
sismic leg crafted, lets try this beauty
just wanna finish 1st dps and say "omg pugs are so bad dps can you wake up" 
tired ice
most groups for 10+ going to be ready to bring invis pots keys? looking at a rou...
Just tell them you're doing invis skip before you begin
Make sure that they all have one and know when to use them
sick sentinel
i like doing keys, they just make me mald
bold nimbus
while we are on the seismic is it better to craft it that one or the spear ? to bring some extra pump?
grizzled lotus
If that doesn't answer your question, THEN this is the place
Roger that. My question is that the Wowhead guide says that the Ancient Aftershock Conduit is good "even though it desyncs the cooldown from Avatar". Assuming I'm doing a Heavy Rep/Bolster setup, is it worth holding AA to line up with Avatar/Ravager/potentially Booming Voice? Or just let it rip every 1m15s and not worry about this
primal cape
while we are on the seismic is it better to craft it that one or the spear ? to ...
not rn bro, i was so happy to do seismic
bold nimbus
not rn bro, i was so happy to do seismic
ty , i wasnt sure if it was worth it 😁
primal cape
seismic is whole dung, idk but im curious
tired ice
Roger that. My question is that the Wowhead guide says that the Ancient Aftersho...
Just use it, you're not gonna slot a conduit that reduces the cooldown to keep it off cooldown^^
primal cape
imagine opening with korayn crit + spear crit + crystal crit
does ravager crit ?
could be a decent burst
grizzled lotus
Hrm I guess I wonder about Spear too, since it doesn't line up with ANYTHING unless you use AM and can loosely tie it to Avatar
So yeah we just let em all fly I guess haha
(I should also say this is an M+ perspective)
potent anvil
AM is effectively 50% cdr, so spear, ravager, avatar, demo shout all should line up. Assuming you spend rage appropriately.
Spear with Mikanikos' CDR
primal cape
spaming revenge with the beautiful 252 crystal i dropped 
potent anvil
potent anvil
OPC would be every other set of cooldowns, pretty decent imo
Seismic is more overall than EM. EM better for bosses
Or maybe reprisal is better for bosses assuming you charge/intervene on cd
primal cape
seismic is ready for tomorrow, i need to try this crystal if its better than phial
potent anvil
I swapped my phial to OPC. I think it's better. At least for aoe
modern brook
grizzled lotus
AM is effectively 50% cdr, so spear, ravager, avatar, demo shout all should line...
That sounds insane, I'll look into Kyrian builds!
sick sentinel
they somehow screwed up the skip even after inviting a rogue
potent anvil
potent anvil
For anyone curious, merciless bonegrinder on ptr for prot. Using seismic reverb. 3 whirlwind casts vs 4 revenge casts. Can probably min/max better for the window (like chargeweaving to get more rage).
Could be big 👀
sweet summit
👀
potent anvil
Why does it count 2 entries for whirlwind as prot?
Either way, it does dam
Oh..
seismic reverb
sweet summit
nate from angered does not believe
potent anvil
Hmm, I dunno. Whirlwind does more DPR than revenge with the conduit buff.
And I'm running BSC and seismic reverb
So if you don't run BSC, then it's definitely worth pressing if you run the conduit
oblique garnet
nate from angered does not believe
Who
sweet summit
nate from angered
oblique garnet
Never heard of him
potent anvil
Maybe if you run booming voice and use it after ravager to get rage to spam more whirlwind, could be worth...but seems like a lot of min/max'ing
modern brook
nate from angered
What is he wearong
modern brook
Maybe if you run booming voice and use it after ravager to get rage to spam more...
I feel like it's a lot of work and it's looking to at best break even
But always down or the science :o
sweet summit
What is he wearong
what does that mean
modern brook
potent anvil
I feel like it's a lot of work and it's looking to at best break even
The limiter is how much rage you pool and how many whirlwinds you can fit. I guess it breaks even because you typically can only fit 3 whirlwinds (90 rage), but it is worth pressing if you run the conduit since it's technically higher DPR than revenge.
If you fit in another cast of whirlwind, then it's ahead. But yeah, 3 ww casts = 4 revenges at best.
sick sentinel
is there any scenario in m+ i might want to use ITF+AM
potent anvil
Another thing to note @modern brook Is that I'm running BSC. If you don't run that talent, then whirlwind is 100% worth using.
sick sentinel
or i guess i just can't afford to lose ravager and HR just makes too much sense with reprisal
potent anvil
Ravager is just better
ITF probably better on single target raid? I don't keep up with prot raid stuff
Maybe some other people know more than me on this topic
mighty valley
I use AM + Rav in almost all m+
sick sentinel
i'm mostly into keys, but i'm bad at them to where most people probably could and do point out that i'm bad
median tulip
ITF is viable for raid but inherently pushes you more onto the defensive; Rage generation doesn't have Ravager's burst RageGen available, but the enhanced CDR to your active mitigation gives you more uptime
modern brook
Another thing to note <@!204081428869283843> Is that I'm running BSC. If you don...
Yeah I mean I don't have original thoughts on this class I just echo what mwahi and nomeratur say
Always excited to see mad science being done even if it's narrow in application
modern brook
i'm mostly into keys, but i'm bad at them to where most people probably could an...
I'm really looking forward for shit to click for you cause ur gunna fuck keys for breakfast tbh
I am very drunk. Auto correct is carrying me
Ilu @sweet summit
sweet summit
love u 2 @modern brook
sick sentinel
honestly, i've been working my own keys as of late
so, at least when it depletes now i have to go fix it by timing next
cyan onyx
So I'm a little confused and there isn't much clarification, should I be using strength pots or the phantomfire ones?
nocturne gale
with reprisal in regards to m+ does heavy repurcussions compare to Bolster or anger management?
modern brook
Bolster isn't used in m+, am is standard, hr is used if higher sb uptime is necessary or preferrd
Or rather u use bolster if you're making macro decisions elsewhere that are stupud
Such as not taking reprisal
Without hr u should be able to hit 85~% hits blocked with it Anything less than 100 is a clear issue with gameplay
tall pelican
what should be shield block uptime for a tank roughly(really vague question)
like guardian of the first ones
modern brook
Uptime is misleading
If you're looking at logs look at the Mount of melee attacks blocked
tall pelican
tank is saying that you can't block boss autos, i dont think thats true though
had an uptime of like 10 seconds for hte pull to 16%
modern brook
As for the actual question, in raid because of the nature of taunt swaps u should always have it up basically while active
tall pelican
yes okay
modern brook
tank is saying that you can't block boss autos, i dont think thats true though
Let me hit that with a fat lmao
tall pelican
that was more of my question
modern brook
Boss autos are blockable lmao
modern brook
Blocking is basically a second armor rating
When an attack is blocked its reduced by factor of your block rating
Iirx the formula is the same as armor but with block rating instead of armor rating but tbh I'm 6 gin and gins in and I might be misremebering things
tall pelican
nah you're good thank you lol i appreciate it
just wanted to make sure it was worth using shield block over ignore pain spam if you dont have shield block up while actively taunting
modern brook
Aby time if ur tank needs help send him here we can identify the issues he's having with living
modern brook
just wanted to make sure it was worth using shield block over ignore pain spam i...
By a mile yeah ip is secondary
tall pelican
i need to do that irl but i dont think prot warrior discord can help
lol thank you for your help
+1
modern brook
i need to do that irl but i dont think prot warrior discord can help
I feel this in my bones
Things will get better king
novel robin
heya, new to prot (and warriors in general) and have a quick question - does prot ever make use of shattering throw in pve? afaik its valuable in pvp for the dps specs against like bubble and ice block but im not sure of its place in pve
im still levelling and just unlocked it so wondering where on my bar it goes haha
fringe marten
Anyone know the exact % of players that have to be in the same guild to get "realm first" or cutting edge achievements?
deft sapphire
heya, new to prot (and warriors in general) and have a quick question - does pro...
any absorb shield is worth using shattering throw on
novel robin
gotcha, ty [:
quaint rune
my shattering throw did 12k to hakkar, dos 6
mossy peak
the timing of the throw can also cheese hakkar
limpid kite
Precast shattering throw in raid(free 2k damage)
ionic fern
And remember to cast Heroic Throw when not in range of the enemies for that free 8 DPS.
mossy peak
I always do purely to keep the momentum/ABC
just like whirlwinding while running around as fury
strong forum
Can still use TC even when not in range for that 5 rage
blazing condor
presumably the bolster buff will reset to 20 secs on new application right
otherwise itd be trash
strong forum
It's very hard habit to get into tho
mossy peak
i started doing the clap thing on blood council last tier
during the dances
it's definitely valid
ionic fern
Don't you guys already spam mindlessly what ever lights up at what ever time?
brittle owl
just map every skill to a button on your keyboard and roll your head on it really fast
ionic fern
We ain't bears in Incarn. 😦
gaunt dawn
I stand with UndeadUnicorns
bright flax
Just missed the end, *even if its not lit
craggy pilot
cant decide if i wanna try push this week... bolstering is just so fuckin boring
jagged pier
its a piss ez week
ionic fern
Unless your healer stands in shit and dies.
craggy pilot
but that doesnt have anything to do with the affixes 😄 @ionic fern
unless you bolster something that fucks up the healer ofc
blazing condor
just dont bolster things 
ionic fern
That's not fun.
craggy pilot
1 mob pulls
blazing condor
bolster is 50% dps doing cleave and 50% not pullin things stupidly
craggy pilot
all dung
blazing condor
instead of pulling groundskeepers into the shard just chain them in
craggy pilot
can i pull all slimes in PF this week?
craggy pilot
dont they bolster him?
ionic fern
Chances are, no don't.
jagged pier
not unless u trust your dps
ionic fern
Trust
DPS
Pick one - can't be in the same sentence together.
craggy pilot
well im doing pugs so 😄
ionic fern
u dont trust us in skyhold weekly <@!238357283996696576> ???
Of course not.
I remember that ardenweald pull yesterday.
ionic fern
😂
craggy pilot
mwahi, did you change your PF route from the one you sent me in S1?
strong forum
I stand with UndeadUnicorns
Shut up prot hater
strong forum
gaunt dawn
yea thats what i thought
jagged pier
doesnt even like devastator smh
gaunt dawn
back to your den
craggy pilot
i had a DH tank with me on my heal alt yesterday, he was doing ton of % in the start, and then skip the Spinebreaker pack before 2nd Tormented 🤔
ionic fern
mwahi, did you change your PF route from the one you sent me in S1?
I honestly can't remember my S1 route.
ionic fern
Yes, i changed the 58'th X to Y and the 903 b to B.
craggy pilot
strong forum
back to your den
Back to work you mean
ionic fern
Oh, i don't do that route anymore.
craggy pilot
i had a DH who just cleared the green, then went backaround to skip the Spinebreaker
strong forum
Ya you skipped that in early s1
Or you procced pride just infront of it
So you had pride buff to destroy it
craggy pilot
yea Spinebreaker kinda sucks
and i just learned that you get big value from doing the Slime room before 4th boss
so that fucks up my entire % route 😄
strong forum
Only get big value if you have a necrolord
craggy pilot
well yes 😄
and the packs in the beginning seem kinda easy, with the Fungistorm and whatnot
so thought to just kill all 4 of those packs 🤔
ionic fern
I honestly don't even know what the "meta" route is for PF anymore.
I'm just going right because i pug and people fuck up too much.
Check my sick paint edits.
Left
Not right
craggy pilot
ah ye that gives quite the room
ionic fern
Probably other more effecient/easier routes somewhere out there but as i said - idk what the "Meta route" is.
craggy pilot
do you pull the 2 Slimeclaws with it?
and do you also kill the Patrolling spinebreaker?
ionic fern
We pull the patroller into the 2 claws.
craggy pilot
oh thought you did 2 claws with Tormented
craggy pilot
i can remove the entire blue pull and still be 100%
ok let me try to get it in pictures where you can actually see stuff
i think i will just remove the blue pull
blazing condor
i have a no skip route that skips almost the entire area after 1st boss
works fine
but
not optimal
its just comfy
craggy pilot
ye the area after 1st boss is kinda annoying
blazing condor
i prefer to just kill mushrooms
craggy pilot
but you get a lot of free damage from the bombs i guess 🤔
craggy pilot
you wanna kill the plagueroc before 1st boss?
ionic fern
It depends. EIther that or the golem.
If it's that i just pull it together with the tormentor.
Or you can pull w/e else.
Like the small pack with the..3rd tormentor.
craggy pilot
ye ok, just plagueroc always causes someone to buttpull
ionic fern
But as i said - probably ask someone who actually does dungeons more frequently this season for a proper route.
craggy pilot
almost all other dungs are just 1 option
blazing condor
what people do nowdays in PF is to kill red blobs on bosses
and use the haste buffs
craggy pilot
oh a 3rd tentacle
blazing condor
it dies on the cannister anyway
craggy pilot
where do you get red blob then?
blazing condor
pack after first boss
then on 2nd boss
you save the red blob pack (first on the right from the miniboss) til last
blazing condor
go watch some top runs on youtube
i havent done like any PF this season
ass dungeon
blazing condor
are the tasty mawshrooms you feed the bear with sellable?
or are they like the eggs
empty spindle
Doing PF forever due to no Phial.
I’ve had 6 drop
sweet summit
no u cant block the shadow damage part pretty sure
craggy pilot
oh i can Spell Reflect the entire cast?
ionic fern
Yes.
jagged pier
its in the sheet in the pins
ionic fern
^
jagged pier
not always
ionic fern
Pretty sure you should still use Block as well as SR only works on the magic part.
Unlike the ToP boss.
sweet summit
^
jagged pier
u should always have block and SR or block and a CD for barb
craggy pilot
ye i see i died to the Shadow part
ionic fern
Block+SR one
Block+Pool IP + DS for another one for example.
bright flax
Think it lines up for every other one
ionic fern
Nope.
bright flax
Like mordretha in top
craggy pilot
soulcrusher is the one that drops the Orb?
ionic fern
It's the one he does at 100 energy
craggy pilot
oh
blazing condor
that applies a debuff
bright flax
Big hit that leaves dot
ionic fern
I had a healer being surprised in NW on the 2nd boss "How did you not get the debuff????"
Fun times.
craggy pilot
can i see in details what M+ level i just did? if we didnt finish?
bright flax
Also on muezahla, you can use your cds at start and have them back for the add phase
ionic fern
can i see in details what M+ level i just did? if we didnt finish?
Doubt it.
Also..how do you forget what m+ level you just did?
😂
blazing condor
Also if you stay in ranged after muehzalas does his dace of death you can avoid the soul crusher as well cus he casts the other ability
however
only do this on the dance before the portals or you p much wipe from not being in melee
aka the 2nd one each phase
craggy pilot
fx on Hakkar it says Corrupted Blood and Piercing Barb reflectable, but i guess you dont have SR up for both right?
gotta prio the Barb or what?
bright flax
Heres the risky one I sometimes do
On ToP, kultharok, you can intervene a party member during his split soul thing and charge back to interrupt in time
blazing condor
you dont @craggy pilot
also corrupted blood never goes on a tank by default
i think
so just save it for barb
bright flax
You can reflect the blood barrier for a smaller shield but meh. Save it for the tank nuke so your healers gets amazed
strong forum
The biggest reduction to hakkar shield is having all adds dead
That's the main prio
craggy pilot
youre not supposed to aggro the adds though as tank right?
strong forum
They fixate first
After (if) fixate runs out, you can aggro them
I think
But more often than not you'll have party members run away from them
So you can't get aggro even if you wanted to
craggy pilot
is there anything noteworthy to Reflect on Manastorms?
bright flax
Hacksaw is reflectable
craggy pilot
you mean buzzsaw?
strong forum
Same thing
craggy pilot
ah thought it was only blockable
bright flax
Deflectable, reflectable, idc as long as it means I dont get crushed
strong forum
You still get crushed, but the dot becomes weaker
bright flax
Same thing applies to 3rd boss in SD or just blockable?
strong forum
That's pure physical
craggy pilot
was just using my reflect for Frostbolt, but makes 0 sense when people just interrupt it
strong forum
You safe reflect for the big ass cast for her (SD 3rd boss)
You can deflect the dot you get from her big aoe slap
bright flax
Same as dealer in ardenweald, Im not there to fly up, leave me alone down here pls
primal cape
dont use tricky things, i remember the dragon poppin up at last boss for no reason
craggy pilot
doesnt seem like theres anything special to Reflect on Halls bosses?
ionic fern
doesnt seem like theres anything special to Reflect on Halls bosses?
Not really, no.
Just remember that on the last boss the DoT he puts on you deals more damage with each tick so try to use DR's like SR at the end part.
primal cape
no immune at 3rd boss ?
ionic fern
?
sick sentinel
because i can never remember and recite the list of spell reflectables, SR is more of a "-20% magic damage for X seconds" primary button for me
primal cape
use spell reflect weak aura
sick sentinel
any time i'm scared there is magic damage coming i put it up if i can
bright flax
Coming from bdk to pwarrior, most of the things you could immune with AMS seem to carry over to SR. But not all
Now if only spellwarding was the same
sick sentinel
i used to play in BFA with a BDK, but big stupid drama happened
bright flax
Cant wait to get near those birdies in soa, spellward and see my party get nuked
sick sentinel
young guy, really seemed to know his shit for most part we both had the 15's on time mount by 8.3 independantly of eachother
anyway, i saw him last night, we just chatted for a bit
craggy pilot
on SD you block the Rite of Supremacy right? not the "Agonize" like the spreadsheet tells?
#########################################
DE OTHER SIDE:
Hakkar:
Piercing Barb
Manastorms:
Buzz-saw
Dealer:
Explosive Contrivance
Mueh'zala:
Soulcrusher
#########################################
HALLS OF ATONEMENT:
High Adjucator Aleez:
Bolt of Power (small)
Lord Chamberlain:
Ritual of Woe (small)
#########################################
PLAGUEFALL:
Globgrob:
Plaguestomp
Doctor Ickus:
Slime Injection
#########################################
SANGUINE DEPTHS:
Grand Proctor Beryllia:
Rite of Supremacy
#########################################
SPIRES OF ASCENSION:
Oryphrion:
Charged Stomp
#########################################
THEATER OF PAIN:
Mordretha:
Reaping Scythe
did i miss any? 😄
blazing condor
yeah you wanna block the rite
cus you avoid the debuff
and also take like 0 dam
craggy pilot
yea for some reason the sheet doesnt list the Rite, only the Agonize
craggy pilot
Stigma of Pride?
craggy pilot
Stigma of Pride NO NO Magic No longer reflectable - debuff that ramps in damage, be careful!
blazing condor
not reflectable
but you will always get 20% dr from the spell reflect istelf
during its duration
ionic fern
Just use it at the end.
craggy pilot
when 5sec left on the debuff i guess?
ionic fern
Idk how often it ticks.
Try to cover the last ticks with it.
craggy pilot
will try thx
mellow bridge
You can reflect the frostbolt on manastorm as well
1st boss mists you can reflect the bolt if it's on you
As long as you are starting the fight, the first one is always on you
sick sentinel
yeah, 99% of XYZbolts can be reflected
mellow bridge
SD 2nd boss you can reflect the cast if it somehow ever ends up on you
More relevant for dps warriors
mellow bridge
For sure
You can reflect all the bolts on first top. Boss too
Engage the fight, press SR for a free double reflect
After that it gets wonky, as they often don't have a target until the cast is almost done..
craggy pilot
i only noted down relevant reflects 🤣
gloomy cradle
Top I usually try to save it for searing death casts in case someone misses a kick or if he’s immune
craggy pilot
stuff with impact
gloomy cradle
Searing death = big impact
craggy pilot
searing death on which boss?
mellow bridge
I find having free dmg quite relevant :p
craggy pilot
ah, its not on the docs thats why i missed it
gloomy cradle
mellow bridge
Must kick cast btw
gloomy cradle
Yep
wide pilot
You guys think bliz will cave in to the rioting and give all classes a fel version of their MT weapon?
Druid looking pretty tempting right now
craggy pilot
even with that form you cant get me to play that 1 button tank
craggy pilot
if druid had a Arms warrior spec, maybe i would play it
but the way Guardian works sounds boring as fk
strong forum
Guardian has a very high skill ceiling due to its forms
So it's actually quite an active spec if you wanna get the most out of it
But if you legit only sit in bearform 24/7 then yeah, it's quite boring
wide pilot
@jagged pier was the werebear form actually as hard as ppl make it seem? Or were those more casuals saying it was crazy hard
strong forum
Mage tower was only hard if you were undergeard
If you had 910++ ilvl it wasn't challenging
wide pilot
Ah
fathom timber
If you had luffas wrappings. Even undergeared itnwas a complete joke
tame jasper
Can you describe what this MageTower was/is?
tame jasper
Didnt play Legion (only requested it some months ago)
wide pilot
What gave 910 ilvl gear? Heroic raid?
strong forum
Theres a healer challenge, a tank challenge and 2 dps challenges based on your spec
fathom timber
910 was antorus right?
jagged pier
if u knew what to do u could do it in extremly low ilvl
strong forum
No that's mythic, antorus mythic was 960
jagged pier
on my alli warrior i did it after dinging and without a leggo
wide pilot
A fel morning star would be pretty dope
jagged pier
it came out with tos
if that helps ilvl or just before
no it was before
cause i killed guldan after the mage tower
cause i did it like second week
strong forum
I didn't raid or do m+ in legion so I was severely undergeard
I did prot challenge with 890ish ilvl
Week 3 of being possible
jagged pier
u didnt need gear u just needed to know what to do
wide pilot
It’s actually quite funny a lot of bears are raging their form isnt “unique” any more and feral is screaming because they didn’t get a fel cat form
strong forum
Having gear/dmg made the challenge 50 billion times easier
Example being my vdh
Spb vdh absolutely destroyed everything because the dmg it did was overpowered as ffuuuuuck
I have the vid still on YouTube
jagged pier
i did have the recording off mine but its on my old pc which blew up
at least i get to record myself doing it again
ionic fern
I liked vdh one cause i sucked at dodging the knock backs so i could just glide right back.
craggy pilot
damn i like playing something other than tank, but man it sucks having no control over route 😄
craggy pilot
😄
i love when i join a +15 on my healer
and tank goes "inv pot needed"
i dont even require invis pot on my 18s kekw
sick sentinel
200 BV still better than 226 FbV?
strong forum
Nomes route suck but we make do
Okay dude...
jagged pier
as i dont press IP
jagged pier
Okay dude...
HoA?
jagged pier
😆
sick sentinel
obtuse monolith
Sphere is so choice. Can’t skip that
sick sentinel
what about 3rd row for talents, boomer voice in keys ever? i think bsv cuz its better dps
craggy pilot
BSC if you are using Reprisal
strong forum
Or seismic*
craggy pilot
its big dam
if you are safe enough with normal SB, then it is biggest damage
Reprisal is more all round tho
tbh Reprisal somehow feels like 2 legendary in 1
ionic fern
why would i want to craft that junk again?
Believe it or not but protection warriors also functioned before Reprisal was in the game. Just playing the class correctly will get you through the majority of content.
tame jasper
still haste
In yesterday Raid I had 40% haste without ows stacks or bl 😇
jagged pier
☝️
buoyant ledge
which shield should I aim for? top or mists? (m+ only)
buoyant ledge
isnt mastery cool too?
mental scarab
Crit for that mega dodge/parry game
sweet summit
modern brook
Stinky rogue
dusky canopy
I love being a 4th dps 🙃
Still haven't hit a 8k overall though without abusing necrotic weps
strong forum
In mists I reckon I can hit 8k now
Given that I hit 7.3 in DoS yesterday I'm a bit more confident again 🥺
plush tendon
blazing condor
sweet summit
strong forum
cyan onyx
jagged pier
seismic
worthy karma
Pumperrrr
I rarely do dps now so I think I'm going to make that one next. I can like 8-9k with singnet ring lool tank pumppp here I come
cyan onyx
Is signet a DPS gain over siesmic/reprisal?
strong forum
No
Signet is a massive dps loss
Not massive, but you only get 50% power effectively
Cuz it's only from avatar for us
cyan onyx
Thats what I thought just making sure
worthy karma
oh singnet was arms dps lol not tanking I've been using reprisal
viscid prairie
Hey all! Basic question, generally speaking, are the guides in the guides section up to date?
Example, legs and feet for reprisal with haste/vers missives is still recommended?
mossy peak
yep, anything that's notably changed should be called out in the other pins
if you have specific questions/clarifications to ask then hit us when you're done with the guide
primal cape
did 3 keys and finishing around 8k overall with seismic, is that average ?
viscid prairie
Thanks
grave crane
Cuz it's *only* from avatar for us
Shit I thought it procced off ravager for us too
sweet summit
🍝
median tulip
Shit I thought it procced off ravager for us too
Ravager for us doesn't replace Bladestorm, so it doesn't proc the Signet effect
grave crane
Ravager for us doesn't replace Bladestorm, so it doesn't proc the Signet effect
Yeah now that I think about that it makes sense
modern brook
No it doesn't lmao
mossy peak
yes it does, signet specifies bladestorm
for arms, the talent ravager replaces bladestorm, and anything that affects bladestorm is inherited to affect ravager
for prot, ravager is a new ability that does not replace anything
it is not bladestorm
so it does not inherit anything that affects bladestorm
could they change this? yes
would it matter a lot? probably not tbh
sweet summit
so why does bonegrinder work 👀
mossy peak
probably because literally nobody at the blizzard office ever used whirlwind as a prot warrior to test it
it's all pretty arbitrary frankly
unborn moon
Wait, Merciless Bonegrinder works with Prot Ravager too?
potent anvil
Yes
jagged pier
yes but WW is still worse
potent anvil
Not until 9.1.5 👀
mossy peak
the sheer absurdity of the seismic/bonegrinder combo for prot has me curious
jagged pier
well u wont get SS procs
potent anvil
The DPR is higher even with BSC talented, but you realistically only get 3 casts of whirlwind unless you chargeweave
It's probably a thing if you play booming voice over BSC. If you wanted to run the conduit, anyway.
unborn moon
Wonder why Blizz brought some pointless and removed skills back for these and that classes from the past in SL, like, corruption for Destro and Demo locks
mossy peak
i think a lot of it was just simply the exiles reach/new leveling experience
they have you start off as a more generic version of your class and you sort of specialize over time
so where you might whirlwind as a low level prot war, it eventually becomes vestigial, while a fury warrior gains a new rank of whirlwind that generates rage instead
likewise with fury and slam, they slam until they learn rampage
latent pier
It's really weird right. Like warlocks and mages got mostly useful tools, we got some nice stuff like IP and intervene, but there's always useless shit like primal strike and shield block
Like when is a fury warrior with how the game works today ever going to have a shield on if he isn't trolling
potent anvil
Shield Block intervene 🙏
strong forum
Pvp
Most the cross spec buttons the dps warriors got, are almost all insanely powerful for pvp
craggy pilot
@strong forum doesnt signet proc from Ravager?
light thicket
Is prot warrior useful at all in pvp?
light thicket
Ive been trying out arms and i got a bit lost. Always happens when i pick up a spec at max lvl
I seem to be capping rage a little too much and slam doesnt really fill that good to push
mossy peak
make sure youre using ignore pain
it is the preferable button to hit over slam really
shouldnt have huge rage issues since you are casting mortal strikes, ignore pain, rend, and executes
light thicket
We have ignore pain as arms? Cool
I just wrote it off cause i try not to use it as prot
mossy peak
you should still be using it as prot
just don't over-use it
it's something you weave in to vent extra rage for the most part but you do use it, it's just not a replacement for shield block, and if you're not in danger, you may as well be slapping revenge
but for pvp you definitely want to be using it on cd as arms
viscid prairie
Ignore pain is not a huge thing as a prot warrior? Do tell
That’s new to me I thought I was going to be mashing that button a lot when I started doing dungeons
mossy peak
it's just as described
shield block is the most important button, ignore pain does not do a whole lot, but it's better than wasting rage
viscid prairie
So in a general sense unless you’re in danger of dying you’re better off doing damage
mossy peak
it is also better against magic damage
that's exactly it, in a general sense, across the board
i would also add without unduly taxing the healer to that
viscid prairie
It struck me as sort of underwhelming while I was leveling tbh, especially with the rage it costs
mossy peak
it's why people use dps trinkets and even dps legendaries
you can't over-survive
or rather there's no reward for doing so
once you've met the check for survival you should do something else above that, which for prot warriors is damage
viscid prairie
How high key level can you get away with DPS trinkets? Let’s say I’m in a pug of above average competency
Can you do that in the low 20s?
mossy peak
sure
viscid prairie
Interesting
viscid prairie
once you've met the check for survival you should do something else above that, ...
I’ve explained this to a lot of people about healing too who think it’s ok to do 1.5k DPS as a healer
So I get it
Thanks that’s good feedback
sick sentinel
as a healer you have to keep people alive sure, but you don't have to if they don't take as much damage and avoid shit and that leaves you free to deal dps
same for tank, but different
viscid prairie
My DPS healing goes up probably 20-25% when you stack a group taking little to no fail damage vs a melee heavy group that takes a lot
sick sentinel
in a really good world where there is less than 500k fail damage from EH recorded, and nobody dies, all 5 members can be doing dps main
viscid prairie
For healers it’s about freeing up globals but in a general sense it’s analogous in that once you fulfill your primary role in the group you look to contribute elsewhere
Is what I meant
craggy pilot
if i kill Sylv once, does that mean i can get Sylv loot every week in Vault, even if i dont rekill her?
dusky canopy
I saw someone post in here that they got sylv loot from vault without killing her that week. But they could have been blowing smoke. I dont think that's how vault is intended to work.
lament scroll
I believe once you unlock her loot it is available every week regardless of killing her again
Same with KT
mossy peak
once they're dead they're in the box from there out
potent anvil
Losing to prot warr
potent anvil
Because pugs. If the overall dps is higher as a whole, then individual is also higher.
Also playing with a greedy dps hpal too, so gets kinda spooky lol
light thicket
it's something you weave in to vent extra rage for the most part but you do use ...
Yeah its just that i get really good uptimes on SB so i pump all the revenge i can. You know "dead stuff cant hurt you" and all that
craggy pilot
i had a few runs where DPS was 12k - 12k - 10k
and me 6k
it makes the run so much easier having decent dps
light thicket
Good luck with pugging good dps
dusky canopy
In the 18s/19s I've been pugging I usually land atleast one dps that puts out a 10-11k run.. some times two. Have yet to get all 3 though and same for me Neilson I'm usually between 6-7k overall
light thicket
Last time i pugged i realized too late that we had a DH with a tank leggo in the key
potent anvil
I'm pretty certain if I had really strong dps, I can land into the 9ks in some 19-20 keys.
lament scroll
Its hard to have all dps pull 10k+ in a run for a variety of reasons. Mostly that mobs die too quick and there ends up being a lot of pulls without CDs. Or lack of buff synergy for 1 or 2 of the dps
remote wing
can someone take a look at a sylvanis mythic log for me. Am i missing something or isn't ignore pain uptime huge for survival on the fight
dusky canopy
I gotta try seismic
remote wing
my MT only has 9% uptime on it
dusky canopy
I feel like most of my gimped block uptime is because I don't optimally utilize reprisal anyway lol
remote wing
Welp if anyone gets a free second to help me understand what i'm looking at, I just want to make sure i'm not crazy, cause he's getting chunked hard in ph 1.
dusky canopy
Benjamin have you tried comparing your tank to similar logs with the compare tool? Idk if the compare tool works with wipe logs though
remote wing
yeah i have others are sitting at around 40%
but i'm not sure if it's becacuse he's trying to dps more, oir if he's just greeding
potent anvil
Its hard to have all dps pull 10k+ in a run for a variety of reasons. Mostly tha...
I think that's mostly true for pugs in general. Actual groups will definitely be higher overall because like you mention, synergy.
remote wing
or if he's just utalizing the mitegation CD's that we have available IE. HoS / Ironbark
IDK what the approach is for prot warriors for sylvanis mythic - specifically, do they focus on mitegation or dps idk
dusky canopy
Look in the compare tool specifically at ip usage and when they use it
remote wing
ok
dusky canopy
Is it highest in p1?
dusky canopy
Maybe suggest to him to ip more then
jagged pier
i mean u only need ip for when u actually need ti
mossy peak
if hes not pumping then hes clearly fucking up, but if he is pumping theres your answer
dusky canopy
I'm no expert on logs. That'd be the yellow names in here just tossing out some ideas that may help you
jagged pier
so he should only need it for the arrows
mossy peak
ignore pain is really not a great button, as i explained above it's mostly a rage dump, even in raid
dusky canopy
Right thats how I play it, in heroic atleast.. always make sure to have some rage to refresh ip before the arrow hits
remote wing
like 800 more dps
so i get it, it's like ironfur or something, a not fun button to press, but it helps you stay alive
i'll dig deeper
mossy peak
it's not that it's a not fun button to press, it's legitimately very weak
while i have not tanked sylvanas, i would assume the tank tanking her is still taking physical damage, which is where shield block uptime is most important
if a prot warrior is getting clobbered while tanking a boss, that's the first thing you should look at
ip is specifically better for other sources of damage which is why they mentioned using it for the arrow
remote wing
i mean after looking at it further, he's just trying to crank as much dps during the fight, throwing caution to the wind w/ his health and relying on healers to keep him up
that's essentially what's going on
however, we have to stop damage 2 times during the fight, and the healers have a tough enjough job as it is w/ a lot of damage to heal through during ph 1 and intermission 1
brazen yarrow
why would i run ashen juggernaut?
mossy peak
the same reason the other specs would
brazen yarrow
i wouldn't?
mossy peak
to get more execute damage
viscid prairie
does shattering throw have any application in dungeons?
stark sage
any absorb shield, ie hakkar bubble
cinder nova
Is it worth it to go triple potency in mik?
viscid prairie
any absorb shield, ie hakkar bubble
ty
median tulip
does shattering throw have any application in dungeons?
last boss of NW has a shield too, as do any number of ordinary mobs
craggy pilot
Is it worth it to go triple potency in mik?
probably not, as most our potency are kinda worthless
and Hammer of Genesis is insane, better than a Potency
jagged pier
Is it worth it to go triple potency in mik?
in raid yes
craggy pilot
ah in raid probably 🤔
viscid prairie
anyone knowledgeable on macro creation avail?
craggy pilot
depends what you need
way easier for people to say if they can help or not if you say what youre looking for
viscid prairie
i put my question in general chat i just didnt wanna double post and get pee pee smacked
could u take a look?
craggy pilot
#showtooltip
/cast [mod:shift] Healing Touch; Rejuvenate
took 5 seconds to google 🙂
mossy peak
are you just using the one mod shift line or both still
because it should just be the one line with the two skills and semicolon
viscid prairie
i just tried that macro verbatim, switching ability names. challenging shout worked but taunt didnt
the way i had it, the opposite was true
viscid prairie
#showtooltip
/cast [mod:shift] Taunt; Challenging Shout is exactly how i had it
willow hemlock
It's working for me, you sure you have the right macro on the bar?
You'll see the tooltip icon changing
craggy pilot
i have it ingame, not online right now so cant check
mossy peak
check your keybinds and make sure whatever you're trying to do is not actually bound to something else
even if it is an unused space
if this is supposed to be 5 and shift 5
make sure shift 5 is not bound
mossy peak
also i believe they should be swapped in your macro
it works totally correctly for me, just tried it
with the abilities swapped
the icon for the spell will change when you hold the key
willow hemlock
I copied that one exactly and it still works, just whichever one you want to be used while holding shift needs to be listed first
mossy peak
and i assume he wants challenging shout to be the modifier spell
willow hemlock
Not everyone would though 🤷♂️ who knows
viscid prairie
found the problem. buried in the depths of my keybinds from like 5 expansions ago i had pet attack bount to shift+T
works now. thanks guys
cyan onyx
Thats the default, I was going to suggest it haha
Say, why wouldn't you just use another key bind slot?
craggy pilot
the macro would still change, and you would be able to click it with mouse tho
viscid prairie
Say, why wouldn't you just use another key bind slot?
until i ruled out user error i wanted to figure out why it wasnt working, but now i know it was my fault
i coulda done that
mossy peak
i think he means, instead of using a modifier at all
viscid prairie
just the way my brain works i guess, i wanted to use less keys and the way i had it worked out in my brain i wanted my taunt and AOE taunt on the same key
cyan onyx
No, like you can just assign a modifier in the keybinds section to a completely separate slot rather than dealing with macros
mossy peak
i will have similar things on the same key, just on different bars
one bar is regular, one bar has the mod
never really felt the need to make modifier macros for everything instead
also lets me see all the cds at once
craggy pilot
also with Challenging Shout on a modifier, you wont be able to ever see the CD of it...
viscid prairie
yeah thats a good point maybe ill have to rethink this one
strong forum
just use weakauras and hide your action bars
craggy pilot
just use weakauras and hide your action bars
lul
sick sentinel
getting my practice on tanking
craggy pilot
First Strike is insane bro
craggy pilot
ah rip
sick sentinel
conduit energy
mossy peak
Conduit energy replenishes every day
sick sentinel
how strong
mossy peak
Swap it out
craggy pilot
sick sentinel
oh but going for dmg is better right
on the other one
thats why i pick this one on keys
dos should i go bolster?
mossy peak
Prot potency kind of blows so it's fine
craggy pilot
Potency is mediocre
craggy pilot
you can save on conduit energy
craggy pilot
First strike rly good
median tulip
You want your Covenant Potency and Adaptive Armour Fragment if possible; beyond that isn't worth the bother IMO
mossy peak
Korayn first strike is basically a covenant itself
sick sentinel
i always have this doubt is fueled by violence good for us prot?
i will show what i ahve
of conduits
its better
so i just need to pick the defense one
lofty widget
unnerving focus
sick sentinel
hmm
lofty widget
bolster isnt needed with reprisal
sick sentinel
the frist time i came contact with prot warrior
was
sense
he was using bolster
xD
oh
ionic fern
Ages ago.
mossy peak
AM is the default choice by far, the others are very niche now