protection

[plush tendon]

Halls is really shitty prot war dungeon

Just lack tools like grip/aoe silence like DH and DK to really group everything together nicely

At least thats my experience with it

[rancid ember]

Halls feels really tough this season in Fort.

[plush tendon]

Timer is shit

the trash itself is pretty straight foward, but the only way to really save time is to pull larger

[vapid berry]

yeah the wicked bolt casters got buffed damage with a slightly longer cast time

warriors get smacked by that magic dam

[plush tendon]

and the only bosses you can realistically pull trash on top of are the first and third boss

[vapid berry]

and its bolstering week so gl with that

[rancid ember]

Ehh Timer isn't horrible, but big pulls are just really hard. Casters really hurt and not being able to outrange thrash is tough too.

[plush tendon]

its why I love the

[vapid berry]

yeah halls makes me miss NF

[plush tendon]

Cant wait till 9.1.5 so I can swap between Kyrian and NF

for sure dungeons I prefer and others I want to throw

[vapid berry]

yeah I was considering necrolord for the memes but its also actually really good

[plush tendon]

Necrolord will forever be meh for me

[vapid berry]

buff that mage or boomy or whatever and the dps is large

[plush tendon]

until its a group wide buff

[vapid berry]

yeahhhhhh I kinda understand why it isnt group wide cause then all youd see is necro warriors even though its a personal damage loss and people will get upset you arent supporting their class thats better then yours but like I want it to be better at the same time

[strong forum]

boomkin

damage

[vapid berry]

low key necrolord is bad ass though

[plush tendon]

Cool tmog, fits warrior aesthetics, decent soulbinds, fleshcraft is ok but not game changing, and banner is underwhelming

Which is hard for me to say, since necrolords are my favorite cov 😦

[sick sentinel]

+8 don't laugh but +2 should be more like, 18

[strong forum]

clearly a visual bug

it was an 18

[blazing condor]

Thought that was overall dps for a sec

[sick sentinel]

i turn it off so i'm not distracted

and to hide my bad dps

[oblique garnet]

Just press 123 harder

[sick sentinel]

this ones the dps from that run

[strong forum]

im hiding my dps i did from last key too

is ok

[oblique garnet]

You did decent

[strong forum]

na

anything below 7k is not acceptable to me

[oblique garnet]

Its halls so not really a dungeon where you can do that big of an overall

Since we werent doing mdi pulls

[strong forum]

my route was ass but still

need practice again

[oblique garnet]

Yeah i was not a fan of that

[sick sentinel]

somehow i died on like the very first pull of that dungeon

and never after

[strong forum]

ever since i stopped tanking keys i legit havent spent a second on routing

especially halls and dos

[oblique garnet]

I just do pulls that seem fun🤷‍♀️

[strong forum]

no pulls seem fun in Halls

[sick sentinel]

i don't mind tanking keys, its the dungeons on selection

[oblique garnet]

They either work out or i die

[strong forum]

everything just ranged bullshit

not enough LoS spots

[sick sentinel]

i would like to see all dungeons except really bullshit ones are m+

[strong forum]

[sick sentinel]

across all the expansion

[strong forum]

i dont think i can compherend that sentence

ah

[wide pilot]

are we still taking a 239 aegis over a 252 scale for m+?

[strong forum]

defensively hell yes

[wide pilot]

and i take it you would use it after grouping up a big pull?

[strong forum]

entirely situational

often and well is how you should use it

[blazing condor]

I found a good route for halls

Now its fun

[strong forum]

ive never had a good route for halls

ever

actually dont like the dungeon at all

[blazing condor]

I felt the same

Not anymore

[sick sentinel]

i got the mists shield so i have it rank 7 now

[blazing condor]

Still its ass on fort

[sick sentinel]

technically better than the N raid shield

[strong forum]

especially with a full warrior comp

[oblique garnet]

The same first pull go right then go left jump down > kill shit for count> win

[blazing condor]

I go left shard > packs before right shard > right shard > stairs and pat before 3rd shard > 3rd shard > pack before boss > stairs > 2nd boss

[sick sentinel]

still feels strange no bolster, and not sure when you'd switch to AM

[blazing condor]

Bolster is like putting a bandaid on a bandaid

When ur already running reprisal

[sick sentinel]

i could get used to it sure, just have to keep sheild block ticking

[blazing condor]

Yes

Running bolster would only hinder your progression of becoming a better pwarr

[brave jetty]

Halls?

Triple pull with lust at start

Then work towards right shard, back toward left shard

Some discretion there on how big you pull

Down the stairs, more discretionary pulls on the way to last shard

Rest kinda depends on what you skipped, lots of routes skip a ton or even all between 1st and 2nd boss

[blazing condor]

in my experience its a waste to triple pull and lust in halls

save it for a shard if youre gonna do that pull

you have all CDs to kill like 6 mobs

no need for bl too

[digital arch]

i did soa 18 now, at the first boss two dps died

i was thinking that was broke the key but we did at time

now i cant do more dg haha i need a coffee

[brave jetty]

SoA has a really lenient timer, can usually get a full wipe in and still time it

[sick sentinel]

no idea why they did it, i guess to be nice but one of guys in run was alchemist made 2 stam flask and trade to me, already had power on

[strong forum]

Stam flask?

I guess better than nothing but yeah, a weird move

[blazing condor]

[sick sentinel]

yeh, he just open trade for some reason, wasn't about to say no

[strong forum]

Ya I wouldn't either

[hollow sun]

people can't complain that you don't use flaks if you use stamina ones

[sick sentinel]

i ate the feast, died like 2 pulls in, lost the feast buff

wasn't too pleased about it

[hollow sun]

honestly i don't use consumables below 16s

its simply not needed

[sick sentinel]

show of good faith and practice i suppose

[hollow sun]

its very unlikely that you won't time the key cause of the flask

[strong forum]

I just do it out of habit

[cyan onyx]

Same tbh. I do it when I'm tanking 4s for guildies and get mad that I wasted a flask 🤣

[brave jetty]

Honestly lower keys is more incentive to flask up

Higher shot of beating out the DPS on overall and clowning them for it

[sick sentinel]

i think i waste my food tho, i get my bags full, but in pugs keys there is always one fck up and rip food

[blazing condor]

Just live

[sick sentinel]

😄

into the fray vs ravager on keys, it depends? xd

[strong forum]

Doesn't depend

Ravager is better

[brave jetty]

It depends on if you want to do less damage or not

[modern brook]

the problem with the tap the sign meme

is that literally everything is tap the sign

mwahi solved warrior

its over

😦

[tired ice]

Warrior is solved
Garrosh has left the building

[median tulip]

Just did 3 ToP keys back to back.
First Key didn't even get past Xav, Warlock quit calling me the worst tank in the world.
Second Key timed 4 minutes under, complimented on the tanking.
Third key we missed by under a minute, Shaman decides to rage at me over how I pulled the dungeon.
Same tank and route every time. Major difference was the second run had DPS who really knew how to use their class utility.

[deft hazel]

tanked lfr fatescribe, we hit enrage, even after soaking the invoke destiny adds

[median tulip]

That wing of LFR is just full of mechanics to mess with LFR players

[deft hazel]

found myself doing runes while tanking

[median tulip]

😂

[obtuse monolith]

Doing a normal full clear on a Tuesday is great. Geared DPS, everyone knows mechanics, 5mins KT, 11mins Sylv.

LFR is dogshit. It’s night and day

But still no shoulders so…

Don’t even feel it soaking the Fate tank add on Normal though. Felt like cheesing the fight how little damage it did

[sick sentinel]

i had some drunk hunter in a normal taza last night, way overgeared

probably only reason we complted it

said he wanted the conduits

[devout heron]

do you think farming gold in silvermoon doable

with gathering n stuff?

[tropic gorge]

so last week was a dry spell finding tanks as dps, and ez finding groups as my tank. this week, it seems the cowards have returned to run m+

[unreal sequoia]

Is a 246 scale worth using over 233 OWS in raid?

[mossy peak]

scale's pretty lousy in raid

[unreal sequoia]

I also have 246 iqd, and the other one from dos

uncertain what to use

[lofty widget]

opc is great for dam

[mossy peak]

definitely wouldn't use IQD

[lofty widget]

scale is very niche, good for soaking big abilities which there are not many of in the raid

except maybe eye and guardian?

[sick sentinel]

for keys i like scale because its both a bubble and aoe attack

[mossy peak]

scale is very good in keys, albeit outclassed by aegis

but the effect is pretty poor on single target

you want it where it can hit a bunch of things, like in a key

[sick sentinel]

or, where it can hit boss and then act as a large IP

to avoid some magic damage say

[mossy peak]

no it's pretty poor at that

compared to the competition

[sick sentinel]

hmm, one i got is old un-upgradeable 213 scale, and it shields for 25k abouts

thats like, 1/3rd my life pool

[mellow bridge]

What competition

Scale has no competition when it's about surviving a single large hit

[sick sentinel]

nothing in bag that will compete wit hit

bunch of 194's

[mellow bridge]

Yes, the absorb is bigger when it hits more targets but even then it's by far the best defensive target to live single big hits

[mellow bridge]

I'm replying to that

Aegis overall is def better for M+ but scale will still beat it on bosses generally

And might be better than aegis depending on the key

Like potentially PF

In a key like that you're not dying to a lot of hits, which is what aegis excels at, but instead to singular huge magic hits

E.g. Slimeclaws who can straight up global you in high fortified keys if you're not prepared

[sick sentinel]

really tempted to try to run a N pug or semi-competent group

i'd say LFR but, LOL.. lfr

[mossy peak]

just fyi, for context, yogi is doing like +9 keys and i'm not sure the raid prog but i would assume similar

so my replies are tailored at that

the replies after the initial one where i say it's lousy in raid, which it sort of is, for reasons already mentioned by others - that it's just not needed

[exotic wadi]

I'm trying to figure out what item to pick from my vault, and i'm wondering if there is a maximum to how much haste you want? like does it ever become irrelevant to get more haste.

[obtuse prism]

Dude, do an lfr, its soo much fun as long as you do it for troll content

[mighty valley]

If you hit 40% pre-buff it's probably time to start switching around some gems & enchants

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuB2wFUGXys

[exotic wadi]

gotcha! Thanks for the info

[cinder nova]

Thoughts for parsing as NF on KT?

I'm thinking Nature's Fury, but I'm also eyeballing Reprisal

[brave jetty]

You can get a lot out of Reprisal on that fight

[sturdy sable]

you have AA up for most of the add phases

id go Natures fury

[brave jetty]

god it's nice to be able to run M+ again

without wanting to pound nails into my brain

took me half a run to stop expecting sang to pop out every time something died though

[dusty flume]

you guys see that opc skip for halls of atonement

I wonder if it's hotfixed already

although I love scale too much

[dusky canopy]

In your opinion, are explosives more of a group, specific classes, or a specific role responsibility?

[mighty valley]

ideally it's healer > tank > dps handling them, but i dunno, I just talk it out with the group

[stray hemlock]

Tank and bealer

[deft hazel]

this still happens xd

necrotic wake nobody knows how to hook 3rd boss still

[limpid kite]

Tell your dps players to get bolster from affix and say it is 3%dam if they last hit it

They will focus explo more than anything else

[deft hazel]

also sfeel like im going to burn myself out trying to get a stupid shield

[mighty valley]

yeah hunting a specific item to drop is a recipe for pain

the odds are low and they're not getting higher

[nocturne gale]

so I understand everyone is saying run reprisal on legs but even with legs getting dom socket is reprisal legs still the go to and why?

[mighty valley]

legs don't have a dom socket

[nocturne gale]

Fatescribe Drops it

[mighty valley]

there is no socket on this

[nocturne gale]

ah I see

[mighty valley]

they changed it so that legs can activate the frost set bonus, but they did not add a socket

[nocturne gale]

makes more sense thanks!

[mighty valley]

np! it is an awkward change, it's pretty confusing

[deft hazel]

will i be stuck with a 152 shield for a month?

lol

did lfr last week and this week, normal/heroic terragrue and 20 mythic 0/+ dungeons, seen no shield drop

[mighty valley]

Are you doing Korthia? I've sold a million korthia shields

[deft hazel]

About all ive done on korthia on my warrior are dailies and starting the campaign for, i however did send 30 or so armaments from my other chars with no wep,shield, or ring/neck drops

[mighty valley]

It'll happen soon, if you get real desperate it doesn't take a lot of pvp to get a shield

[lyric relic]

ne1 know in mythic how many stacks you swap at in sylvanas

[urban portal]

Ngl the video is just his friends griefing

And not actually lfr noobers

[craggy pilot]

fucking 2nd week in a row i have to pick the Token 😡

[primal cape]

same

[jade tartan]

how good is the fate scribe trinket? espc if you have the sunking trinket

[blazing condor]

never ever prot-spec on fatescribe

the cheat death is exceptionally ass

[rotund thicket]

token feels better then getting suggested to use bladedancers armor kit x)

[blazing condor]

its a soul-stone on trinket

[median tulip]

When I started gearing, I used a shield from the mission table for a few weeks. So keep an eye on that. There's also a shield that you can get from a rare treasure spawn in maldraxxus

[craggy pilot]

damn you have wep+shield 😮 one of them from Mythic raid maybe?
i have literally opened like 8+ weeks with no weapons or proper trinkets

i only ever get Capes Gloves Shoes Pants Helmets

[median tulip]

Top Gear only Sims damage, it's rarely even worth bothering to Sim as Protection

[craggy pilot]

WHAT? you dont wanna do dam? 😄

[blazing condor]

outdpsing actual dps and parsing high is the only fun part left

also its not exactly hard to stay alive so might as well just pump

[ionic fern]

Why is it not worth to sim damage? 👀
That's what you should be aiming for as Survivability just comes from proper play.

[median tulip]

Because it returns nonsense answers like suggesting that you use BAK

[urban portal]

I mean

[blazing condor]

whats your current trinket?

[urban portal]

It's a dps up vs fatescribe triniet

Just use common sense

[urban portal]

Do you know if the sim commits rage to shield lock

Or no

[blazing condor]

it gives you like 98 strength baseline

so if you have a shit other trinket

[ionic fern]

Yes, i know - as i made the APL. 😂 It does.

[urban portal]

Nice

[blazing condor]

the strength might bw worth it

[median tulip]

Mine? Choices from 252 Scale, 239 Aegis, 242 AFE or 236 Decanter right now. Usually I default to AFE/Aegis.

[urban portal]

I never read through the APL

I mean

252 scale

Kinda pumping

[ionic fern]

It's the STR + the damage on use. Obviously depends on the trinket compared to.

[craggy pilot]

🤣 does it also put rage into IP?

[urban portal]

I'll read through it whenever I get time

I should read through all the tank apls

And see how greedy some can be

[ionic fern]

Yes. Every 15s = 1 cast iirc.

[median tulip]

Does it account for on cooldown use of Charge and Intervene?

[craggy pilot]

only if you have AM i guess?

[ionic fern]

Always. It tries to semi-simulate "real" rage usage.

[craggy pilot]

ah ok

[ionic fern]

Charges every time Heroic Leap is up currently.
Just add +200 DPS for Intervene sims to get the proper damage output.
I've been meaning to fix it but i've unfortunately had no time.

[craggy pilot]

fucking the vault clearly hates me.....

got this garbage on my DK alt

[urban portal]

I was gonna say bro

You kinda lazy

Then you said alt

[craggy pilot]

well with the week we just had man

[ionic fern]

Meanwhile i'm doing 1 weekly key on my main warrior.

[craggy pilot]

i only did 4 M+ on my main

fuck Sang+Necrotic

[median tulip]

I actually did 10

[urban portal]

At least you did a 15

Imagine if mdi counts toward vault

That would be bis

[median tulip]

I was fucking shocked I managed it

[ionic fern]

Why? 👀

[craggy pilot]

i guess queue times were low for Tanks

but i just stopped queuing cus it was boring as fk

[median tulip]

'Cos it's a horrible affix set

[craggy pilot]

Slimy Organ, is it decent?

[urban portal]

Not that bad on warrior tbh

[median tulip]

No

[ionic fern]

True.
We did a weekly key yesterday with 4 warriors ..it was fun.

[urban portal]

Intervene is so op

Didn't it break pvp tho

[median tulip]

I've gotten into the habit of setting my Fury Warrior friend as my focus target and intervening on him all the time. Saved his life from his stupid burst a few times 🤣

[urban portal]

Not his fault fury generates this much threat

Only thing that comes close is havoc

Im fairly sure fury generates the most threat out of any melee

Maybe arms a bit more

Well other melees have threat mitigation

[ionic fern]

You shouldn't be losing threat regardless?

👀

[median tulip]

Yeah, it's because they have a healing component as well as the damage, so the threat is already higher than the damage, and then they have good burst. But intervene lets him burst high and survive, and gives me shield Block and Revenge procs, so it's all good

[urban portal]

It's just the burst threat

But I didn't know self healing creates threat

[median tulip]

If a Fury Warrior bursts hard on pull they will just rip threat

[ionic fern]

That's a first.

[urban portal]

But they cast bt once

And it heals like 120

Shouldn't matter

[ionic fern]

Unless they start bursting before you've gotten a couple of globals in it shouldn't be a problem.

[urban portal]

Yeah it's mostly when both charges at the same time

Bear and dk definitely can't keep up

[median tulip]

Honestly I don't mind (in M+) him bursting like that. Intervene is there to be used

[ionic fern]

I played Seismic yesterday for some low'ish keys and was still intervening on CD.

😂

[blazing condor]

i intervene as dps sometimes and get insta'd

[median tulip]

Hahaha habits are hard to break

[bold bolt]

i guess i take the higher ilvl? i dont have the domination helmet but have my blood link set

[ionic fern]

Jep, 100%.
Was worth it tho, ended first in DPS in one dungeon and 2nd in another.

😂

[potent anvil]

Im a seismic reverb gamer. Already put reprisal in the bank.

[ionic fern]

I use both.

Depending on the people i'm doing keys with.

[potent anvil]

Just do 30k aoe dps

[median tulip]

Depends on what the other items are upgrading from

[potent anvil]

Only issue I have with seismic is that some healers are complacent with reprisal gamers...dont realize Ive yet to ignore pain...or even shield block 👀

[ionic fern]

Just get that 40% DR on pull power and you're golden.

😂

[potent anvil]

True

[bold bolt]

from the ilvl are - wrist ( domination) feet and hands are the same.

[potent anvil]

I also get that siegebreaker power. 12% more dam for standing still. And like 10% armor but I think thats negligible?

[blazing condor]

id want some numbers on thorns vs siegebreaker

[ionic fern]

I tried that a couple of times but i'm too hyperactive to get any use out of it.

[potent anvil]

I feel the 12% more dam is better than stygian.

[ionic fern]

Just moving around 24/7

[blazing condor]

I have no issues standing still

but depends on the dungeon

[ionic fern]

I can't stand still..even just strafing from right to left.

😂

[blazing condor]

if you get a late executioner in spires you can probably take siegebreaker

doesnt feel like barbs is worth for the last 2 bosses

[potent anvil]

I suppose I can test some stygian vs siegebreaker in halls this week. Executioner still first dps tormentor

[polar hamlet]

How bad is it to not have IP or shield block up in a pack ?

[blazing condor]

shield block should be up

ip doesnt really matter

[potent anvil]

But stygian did as much as my 252 phial last week overall in halls.

[blazing condor]

its not terrible but its like our main mitigation

[polar hamlet]

But you cant have 100% shield block up right ?

Specially not with seismic leggo?

[blazing condor]

with reprisal and HR you can

not with seismic

[potent anvil]

I guess it was also necrotic...so you kite more

[worthy karma]

That’s big facts

[polar hamlet]

So as a totall newbie, reprisal is the way ?

[blazing condor]

yes

[worthy karma]

Yup

[polar hamlet]

Alright :)

[blazing condor]

reprisal is our best lego for every content

seismic is viable

but thats like our pure dps build

[polar hamlet]

Insaw @potent anvil with seismic

On youtube

[potent anvil]

If you wanna be a 4th dps you play seismic

[polar hamlet]

That was awesome.

[sweet summit]

Deswind owns

[potent anvil]

[blazing condor]

everyone owns

[jagged pier]

Theres a difference between des and being new to prot

Go reprisal

[median tulip]

There are some really niche points where The Wall can be better, but it's so rare that it falls behind a DPS legendary

[polar hamlet]

Deswind is like the god of prot ? (Srry only played dps)

[potent anvil]

Nah...I just always want to do damage as a tank

And i have a good understanding of incoming dmg in keys

[strong forum]

If you get styigan early it can do as much as 500 dps

Gotta factor in when you get the power aswell

[polar hamlet]

I see

[ionic fern]

Sense is the god of prot. Everyone knows that, smh.

[potent anvil]

True. Sense owns

[polar hamlet]

For me its deswind. He got me peeking here so

[worthy karma]

But pika has my heart ngl

[potent anvil]

Wait...you have to ping him if you mention him

[jagged pier]

Hes good really good, but u need to understand the class/spec the dungeons theres a lot ti learn to be doing what des is doing basically

[jagged pier]

THIS

[median tulip]

There's always more to learn

[ionic fern]

You don't ping Sense..he shows up when he wants to.

[jagged pier]

Well not if your sense

[ionic fern]

And is always on time.

[jagged pier]

For the rest if us scrubs yes

[potent anvil]

Ping him. You wont

[ionic fern]

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

[ionic fern]

How high have you gone with Seismic atm @potent anvil ?

[potent anvil]

21 halls last week

[ionic fern]

I swear if we start getting people here saying "I saw Deswind run Seismic in 21 halls on YT, should i do it?" i'm gonna be mad. 😦

[potent anvil]

7.6 overall... not 8k but stuff started to hit hard lol

[blazing condor]

lol

how much dps do i need to run 20 halls with seismic????

[devout heron]

guys

lets gooooo

[blazing condor]

ez

[devout heron]

phial or bis neck?

[worthy karma]

Will the new meta be sub 22keys run seismic.?😂

[ionic fern]

PHIAL

[jagged pier]

THIS

[blazing condor]

in here

phial

every day

probably phial outside here too

[devout heron]

ah shit its prot

lmao

im arms

[ionic fern]

STILL PHIAL

[devout heron]

ahahahaha

[spiral geode]

Still phial

[jagged pier]

STILL PHIAL

[potent anvil]

Phial owns

[blazing condor]

this man really flexing our best st trinket

[spiral geode]

xD

[worthy karma]

Phil wild

[devout heron]

[sweet summit]

[polar hamlet]

Coming from.bear tank, gotta get a shield & onehander tho

[ionic fern]

You can probably go higher easier this week with Tyrannical.

Higher as in higher key levels.

[worthy karma]

Is seismic still stronger then elision might?

For port theoretically?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[potent anvil]

True. Not necrotic, just need to be mindful of bolstering. Big pulls, big dam.

[mental scarab]

What Do seismic do again

[potent anvil]

Revenge hits another time for 75% when you hit 3 or more

[jagged pier]

Revenge hits twice if u hit more than 3 targets

[potent anvil]

Basically a dps when you pop cds

[ionic fern]

So...almost every pull.

[potent anvil]

[jagged pier]

Every pull on fort weeks

[potent anvil]

Its op

[jagged pier]

But u get not extra defence value execpt mobs die faster

[potent anvil]

I wish last stand is 2 mins by default...need that rage gen

[spiral geode]

They cant hurt you if they are dead.

[ionic fern]

2 legendaries when.
Can't wait to run Seismic and Reprisal. 😦

[blazing condor]

^

[jagged pier]

Seismic and EM

LETS GOOOOOOOOOO

[potent anvil]

Prot warr is just a dps spec

[ionic fern]

Leaper and Misshapen MIrror.

[potent anvil]

[blazing condor]

the wall and the other wall leggo

[ionic fern]

😂

[blazing condor]

[jagged pier]

Will still do less thsn pala and monk tho :(

[potent anvil]

True

Buff prot warr

[ionic fern]

Yes please.

ALso, no please. I don't want more attention.

[blazing condor]

honestly yeah

if pwarr becomes super meta its just gonna be ass lol

cus of fotm players

[ionic fern]

Getting into keys and having the healers/dps'ers be like "what the hell was that?? I thought prot is bad" at the end of the key is a good feeling.

Ja, if we become fotm i'm gonna afk from discord. Have fun.

[jagged pier]

Please dont buff, we will get 'I saw Des do this' or 'plka do this' or 'noawh do that' and ill fucking REEEEEEEEEE

[jagged pier]

This was the best time

[potent anvil]

I like getting responses asking how I do so much dmg in keys. Little do they know...I spam one button

[polar hamlet]

Haha

[ionic fern]

The damage brakedown of Seismic is always fun to watch.

[potent anvil]

If I neglect shield block, my breakdown goes as high as 40٪ overall is revenge lol

Maybe higher depending on dungeon

[jagged pier]

Ive been asked that as well, and im like 'u dont want to play like me unless u know the spec well'

[devout heron]

is seismic really a thing

or memeing for extra dps

[mossy peak]

a bit of both

[blazing condor]

its a thing because its extra dps

more dps is not a meme

[ionic fern]

It's literally the "do as i say, not as i do" situation.

[mossy peak]

basically, it falls into the same old category of

[ionic fern]

😂

[mossy peak]

if you aren't dying

or needlessly taxing the healer

then

stop over-surviving and deal more damage

it is the

epitome of that

[potent anvil]

I havent done super high prot keys yet, but I havent thought to myself that I needed reprisal to live. Only 18-21 keys so far though.

[devout heron]

''only 18-21 keys''

yeah so low bro casual

[blazing condor]

i mean 18 is kinda low 😄

but yeah 21 is 21

[devout heron]

you wont believe how pugs still facerolling and deplete 17 18s

[mossy peak]

think the point is more that hes not trying it in the level of key where you actively are taking enough damage that survivability becomes a focus

[potent anvil]

Im also 251 ilvl as prot. Need to get 252 weap and shield still.

[mossy peak]

and not a side issue

[blazing condor]

yes because pugs are retarded lmao

[mossy peak]

there is a point where you cant fuck around anymore because youll get your chocolate starfish blasted

[blazing condor]

doesnt mean its hard per se

[ionic fern]

242. 😦

[craggy pilot]

jeez

im 240 here 😄

[devout heron]

dud

why tanks still use

[potent anvil]

Ive yet to get the nine tank trinket. Just using ows and phial, yolo

[devout heron]

blood elf lord's trinket

instead of new one from 9.1

[brave jetty]

who are the best single target pumpers for tyr?

[mossy peak]

it's better than the new one

the new one is terrible

[devout heron]

whats the difference

[mossy peak]

the difference between them is the sun king one prevents you from death

the new one brings you back after

so you lose threat and everything

[potent anvil]

You actually die and then come back

[devout heron]

oh my god

thats terrible

[mossy peak]

yep

[devout heron]

why blizzard did such a thing

like

what were they thinking while desiging it

[craggy pilot]

does it use up a CR in raid?

[blazing condor]

arms dps is doing pretty good. a good ramped boomie can do loads.

[devout heron]

get arms frost mage and ww

arms good aoe good st

ww duper aoe bad st

frost good st

you can get a kyrian mage too

[median tulip]

Hmmm. Genuine dilemma from my vault. BiS 252 Haste Vers Gloves (but a sidegrade from my 252 (Crit/Mastery gloves), a 252 Crit/Mastery Cloak (over a 242 Haste/Vers one) or 252 Crit/Vers boots (over 239 Crit/Vers)

[mossy peak]

how far into raid are you probing

on mythic

[median tulip]

logic says the boots, but IDK, the BiS gloves are tempting

[median tulip]

I'm not

[mossy peak]

is pugging the first boss on the table

[median tulip]

on M anyway

[polar hamlet]

Prot likes haste & vers ?

[median tulip]

Hall of Fame not done yet

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[median tulip]

Prot like Haste. Vers is nice but so are Crit and Mastery

[polar hamlet]

Alright:) opening as prot for the first time when im home.

Give me a shield or onehander pls

[potent anvil]

My gear is mostly haste/crit
But haste/vers is the safer pick

[mossy peak]

i just ask because the first boss drops some of that stuff

so if you are not even doing the first boss on mythic, then the boots are the best of the choices you presented imo

[jagged pier]

Stop bring your high ilvl dps gear as a point of gear to play by

[potent anvil]

35% crit owns

[jagged pier]

Nome has 43% or somthing XD

[ionic fern]

I got 13%. 😦

[median tulip]

My second highest stat is actually Mastery

[potent anvil]

Yeah I can go higher but mix and match to pick up some haste and vers

[lusty ember]

shield in vault!!!!!! had to share somewhere

[ionic fern]

Gratz.

[median tulip]

Congrats!

[potent anvil]

I think full on crit I would be 40? Dont think I can hit 43

[ionic fern]

Teeechnically Crit is one of the better defensive stats. 😂

[mossy peak]

just go kleia

ez

[potent anvil]

Ye. Parry owns

True

But mikanikos owns

[mossy peak]

yea but... think of all the crit

you could break 50% on pull

without opc

[polar hamlet]

Im full arms gear atm

[median tulip]

Only against Melee damage though.

[ionic fern]

Or go Korayn for first strike.

[limpid kite]

Crit gives parry, parry proc free revenge-->seismic value

[potent anvil]

M+ is like 90% melee usually or something

[mossy peak]

the unavoidable damage is almost all phys over the course of a key

[median tulip]

True, but I don't fear a little bit more melee damage here or there. I do worry about that one chunky spell hit

[mossy peak]

the avoidable stuff is all magic

[ionic fern]

It's capped now tho. 😦

[mossy peak]

so... dont get hit, and smash that interrupt

[blazing condor]

20% vers is only 10% DR anyway

so big magic dam will still kinda hurt

[craggy pilot]

lol when you are in Arms spec, and get invited to raid as tank, but they invite a 3rd tank, so now you have to DPS

[potent anvil]

Yeah..so magic stuff usually need to be controlled/kicked. Thats where full on dps comes in. Just kill it faster

[mossy peak]

the best way to mitigate magic damage is to do more dps and kill the casters faster

[limpid kite]

Where is the cap?

[median tulip]

The best it Spell Reflect

[ionic fern]

Most chunky spell hits are interruptable.

[craggy pilot]

i usually say if tank dies, its DPS fault 😄

[median tulip]

Feels good when you spell reflect tank chunkers xD

[potent anvil]

I remember doing a giga left shard pull in halls. 4 wicked bolt casters.
Just line to gather on the archway opening where the shard is. Ez revenge spam

[mossy peak]

gets blown off the edge in TOP goddamn dps not kicking

[blazing condor]

just charge

or leap if you slow

[limpid kite]

Yesterday I almost outdpsed a dps on a boostrun (15sd) but when I press SR I immediaetly pressed pummel too

[ionic fern]

Capped as in Parry used to provide "Revenge!" every time but it's 3 PPM now.

[limpid kite]

Did it 4 times

[ionic fern]

See, the saddest part are the flying wormies in SoA.
Someone ALWAYS interrupts/AoE stuns when i reflect.

[potent anvil]

Uncap revenge! in 9.1.5 🙏

Truue

I shockwave into reflect but I get juked by my own team

[blazing condor]

i always tell people not to interrupt before i pull those

"im gonna reflect, dont interrupt"

works like 60% of the time

[limpid kite]

Imagine if they buff the seismic leggo to work with tc too

[blazing condor]

double rage pog

[mossy peak]

bring back the ol clapper build

[blazing condor]

i prefer what we got now

TC was fun

but i feel its weird

[ionic fern]

No. BoM was fun.

[potent anvil]

Basically the same playstyle. Except you use a spender

With no cd

[blazing condor]

generator shouldnt be our top dps imo

but its very fun

[median tulip]

Those things are glorious when it works. I yell at my team on Discord not to interrupt

[ionic fern]

? It's the same for almost all DPS classes. Just follows the generic philosophy.

[blazing condor]

wym as in other classes have generators as top dps or not`?

i dont really play anything else lmao so i really dont know

[median tulip]

I would like it if there was more variety of builds available. But they nerfed Thunderclap too hard for Thunderlord to be viable RN

[lime urchin]

Instant leave the party, right

Can’t have that sadness in your life

[ionic fern]

Oh, i mis-read. For some reason i thought you said "Generators SHOULD be".

[blazing condor]

thought so lol

Alliance did the HOF

cross mythic soon

[primal cape]

sismic leg week

gonna try 👀

[sweet summit]

👀

[devout heron]

when horde finished hof?

[blazing condor]

Like a month ago

[tame jasper]

Now where I transfered 🙈

[wide pilot]

do you got to kill KT every week to have a chance at vault loot for him or does killing him once unlock that for the vault forever

[jagged pier]

Every week

[subtle tulip]

So I got the scale 252, the other items I already have or dont need. You guys still use scale for raid tanking? Or is it now pretty whatever.

*for me vault

[jagged pier]

I personally havent used scale yet, but i probs will on mythic slyv

[subtle tulip]

Yea mythic sylv is the worst for warrior tanks ive been reading.

[sweet summit]

Nah aegis is a lot better on sylv

[fresh lynx]

I had sylvanas loot in my chest without reclearing her (we did 9/10 this week)

[jagged pier]

Gunna run both tho as i dont have alar and see a lot of tanks are using that

[buoyant ledge]

yo guys started playing my prot again last week and managed a couple of 252 items in vault, but got legs (reprisal 235) and iqd

[jagged pier]

Both poop

[buoyant ledge]

is it worth to take legs and move iqd when i max or the trinket?

[jagged pier]

Not worth to take ither

[buoyant ledge]

not gonna kill last bosses with him for sure

[jagged pier]

Just get soul ash

[buoyant ledge]

But is it big deal to put reprisal in feet?

Didnt max it yet so dont really mind to do it

[ionic plank]

you can put reprisal on feet if it's only 235 atm

but when you go to 262 you're going to want it on legs for more stats

[blazing condor]

legs have more stats and you can get 259 feet from sylv

But i mean

[ionic plank]

in which case you're kinda wasting 5k soul ash

[blazing condor]

It doesnt REALLY matter

I wouldnt refarm them if i had them on boots

[ionic plank]

eventually it'll be better to have them on legs but if you've got sick legs in vault and only have the option of 235 lego then go for that

and in 9.1.5 you're gonna have soul ash/cinders coming out of your ears

[buoyant ledge]

yeah i mean cba crafting raid leggos at least for a long time, just gearing it cuz im done with bear and warrior is hella fun

but only for m+ and sneaking it into couple of farm bosses

[ionic plank]

well 262 legs + 252 boots is gonna be more stats than 262 boots and 252 legs

but at the end of the day, it's not a HUGE amount and it doesn't sound like you care about minmaxing that hard

on the warrior at least :p

in your situation I'd take the 252 legs and craft 235 reprisal boots because then at least my vault wasn't useless

[sweet summit]

id just take the research

very epic

[ionic plank]

can you buy sockets on an alt if you're tier 6 on main?

[sweet summit]

yeah

[ionic plank]

because FUCK getting t6 on an alt

[jagged pier]

Yeah

[ionic plank]

ah okay that's nice

[buoyant ledge]

Yeah thats my point hahaha ty

[ionic plank]

a bit of copium never hurt anybody

[jagged pier]

Been doing copium for weeks

Havent got a vsult ipgrade since like week 2

[buoyant ledge]

:(

[jagged pier]

This week

I believe

[vast ermine]

any cd's i should pre use in a key?

[jagged pier]

Nope

[strong forum]

Challenging shout!

[jagged pier]

New pic who dis????

[halcyon shard]

cringe stormforged swapping pic @strong forum

[jagged pier]

Cringe afro being cringe

[sick sentinel]

Lamp oil, rope, bombs?

[worn bear]

you want it?

[halcyon shard]

IM NOT CRINGE DAD

[jagged pier]

What?

[jagged pier]

CRINGE

[halcyon shard]

No

[jagged pier]

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8HSnP1SiI0

come back when your a little mmm richer

[blazing condor]

man i have a good meme with noms pic but i cant find it

this says a lot about our society smh my head

[worn bear]

live

[hollow sun]

https://imgur.com/GT31Ybr I should do something like this

[blazing condor]

Some real gormet shit

[vocal geode]

I started capping adventure table pets as well

got my 4th ones yesterday smh

[blazing condor]

[craggy pilot]

you hate to see it

[sweet summit]

so close

[craggy pilot]

is it 49.8% she dies or so?

[sweet summit]

something like that

[blazing condor]

who messed up their global?

like people who do their burst before sylvanas gets the debuff that actually makes her susceptible to damage

[jagged girder]

Someone didn't use pot?

[blazing condor]

Can you BOP the healing reduc on eye?

[jagged pier]

Dont think so u just have to out dps it

[blazing condor]

i know its removed upon death n shit

just curious tho

[mellow bridge]

pretty sure you cant

you can SR the application of it tho

so you get fewer stacks

[spiral geode]

You can reflect one stack i think

[blazing condor]

thanks didnt know that

[modern brook]

I already miss cloud nom

[blazing condor]

☁️ 🕶️

[buoyant ledge]

yo any weakaura to yell when you have reflect up?

[ionic fern]

/cast SR
/Say Reflect

Yw

[buoyant ledge]

hahaha yea actually im bit dumb ty

[sweet summit]

he just did mdi

so yeah, i guess he plays

he played mage

[median tulip]

It's better to actually use a Weakaura that responds to the presence of the Spell Reflect Buff, rather than a /say in a macro if you can, as it prevents spammy repeats of the /say line

[obtuse monolith]

Guild pushing aotc kill today. Blood set is a lock, as is Dyz. Do I run Cor in 213 shoulders, use 236 M+ shoulders, or run the absorb shard in 213?

[jagged pier]

Dps shards

In the spare 1

Probs the unholy 1

[strong forum]

Cor is huge in p1 and p2

[jagged pier]

True but the fight is kind of p3

[strong forum]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

whats generally the powers to go for when i start doing 10's+

[potent anvil]

What is that profile pic @strong forum

[sick sentinel]

ones to totally avoid rather i guess

[potent anvil]

[strong forum]

I can't change it back yet

Don't have the OG on phone

[potent anvil]

[jagged pier]

Where cloud?

[strong forum]

Resting

[obtuse monolith]

The unholy aura one for the slight DPS and HPS then? Vs the frost absorb or frost damage for 20s after tapping an add?

[jagged pier]

No the damage increase

[strong forum]

Dyz is already hard locked in he said

[jagged pier]

Well i dunno cor then

U dont need the shield

[obtuse monolith]

Yeah Dyz is a go.
Ok sticking w Cor for p2

Soul judge needs to die faster anyway

[craggy pilot]

14 people raid, and the death log looks like this, can we get some guesses, kill or no kill?

[modern brook]

Guessing no

[strong forum]

Kill at 11:38.5

[modern brook]

Fairly would died 10+s after tank

Unless he's a shitter

[craggy pilot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TKDzL2RhJm9FkMgX#fight=45&type=damage-done

[strong forum]

Ah damn

Was off by 6 seconds

[craggy pilot]

😄

finally

after that fucking 50% wipe

[sweet summit]

Did u kill

[craggy pilot]

look the log bro ❤️

[buoyant ledge]

oh do you have any?

[sweet summit]

LETSGOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[modern brook]

Erga is blind :(

Plz don't bully him

[craggy pilot]

fucking CLEAN™

[modern brook]

Grats btw

[elfin totem]

I see ppl doing both Legs/Boots for the Repraisal leggo... why and which one do i choose... ?

[median tulip]

Not to hand, but it's trivially easy to make a "when buff gained say X" WA

[plush tendon]

Pants all things considered equal. But some people use boots if they have very strong pants and weak boots

[craggy pilot]

if min maxing, legs
if not min maxing, it doesnt rly matter, pick whatever is cheapest in your AH, or which one you have highest ILVL in the other slot

so basically what @plush tendon said 😄

[craggy pilot]

ty ❤️

[plush tendon]

[craggy pilot]

but man vacuuming puddles in P3 is fucking scary

[plush tendon]

100%

[craggy pilot]

i fuckin died, and druid had to come CR me, and then re-vacuum and go over

horrible

i went Heart of Al'ar to more safely vacuum, but had it proc in P2 because Druid tank was dead :<

he fell off or some shit 😄

uh the log is in french
❤️ Fleau de la banshee ❤️

btw can you self cleanse puddles with Kyrian Phial?

[distant crystal]

no

kyrian phial is everything but magic debuffs

[craggy pilot]

ah ok rip

[sick sentinel]

Hallo! a newbe problem.. when we are in big pull how we can generete threat and maintain it while thunderclap is in recharge and cant spent rage for revenge? usually happen that some mobs run away

[worthy karma]

If you use ravager on pull as well it will help. If you are using reprisal legendary changing then revenging shouldnt’ be an issue. Then you also intervene for a free revenge cast to help. For me my panic button is always challenging shout our aoe taunt

[sick sentinel]

thanks!!

[craggy pilot]

if thats the only 2 buttons you are pressing for Threat, then youre doing something wrong.
You can start by telling what covenant you are, what Legendary youre using, what talents etc etc

[cyan onyx]

When running reprisal heroic leaping our and charing back in is insta rage plus a free revenge :)

[sick sentinel]

those talents. and im kyria. the problem occurrs when the pull take long time. so after ravager and thunder clap I lose aggro from some mobs.

[modern brook]

The real issue here is not having rage for revenge within the window where it's plausible to lose threat

[craggy pilot]

@sick sentinel which legendary are you using?

[modern brook]

Usually this means you're over spending ip or not using cds

[sick sentinel]

mm nothinh at the moment

[modern brook]

Sorry that was supposed to be in reply to Andrew not doughnut

[craggy pilot]

if you are Kyrian then you can probably replicate my opener, which is something like this:
Charge -> avatar -> ravager -> Spear -> Revenge -> shield block

then ur normal rotation

you want to go Reprisal bro, and then use Best Served Cold talent

and swap away from Never Surrender, it literally blows 😄

[strong forum]

uhm

[craggy pilot]

and do Anger Management

[strong forum]

get rid of Never Surrender

REAL QUICK

[craggy pilot]

something like this

in row 25 and 35 you can swap if you want

[modern brook]

30 can flex if he's not using reprisal for whatever reason

[craggy pilot]

tru

[modern brook]

But use reprisal.

[craggy pilot]

but sounds like hes not using Reprisal because he has 0 legendary 😄

[sick sentinel]

okk i tought never surrender wos for most defensive

[craggy pilot]

Reprisal goat

[sick sentinel]

was

[modern brook]

Yeah but until he gets it bv is better tbh

[craggy pilot]

Never Surrender only works when you low hp, which you shouldnt be

[strong forum]

never surrender is literally a dead talent compared to Indomitable

[craggy pilot]

Indomitable is just insane throughput

[sick sentinel]

okk

[modern brook]

Always surrender

[craggy pilot]

you heal a ton with Indomitable

[craggy pilot]

Impending Victory my dude ❤️ 🤣

[strong forum]

and thats just the healing from indom, the 10% HP increase is pretty big

[craggy pilot]

free priest buff ❤️

[modern brook]

Honestly the iv buff looks really good

It's unfortunate that indom is 2 talents

[craggy pilot]

IV buffed?

when what?

[strong forum]

heals for 40% on 25sec CD in 9.1.5

[modern brook]

9.1.5 lowers cd by 5 seconds (whatever) and increases heal to 40%

[craggy pilot]

oh there are talent changes up for 9.1.5?

[strong forum]

thats the only thing

[craggy pilot]

or just that one?

[modern brook]

That was class changes from 2 weeks I think

[craggy pilot]

haha 😄

[modern brook]

Nothing new

[craggy pilot]

ah okok

[modern brook]

But a 40% heal is insane

Esp with out mitigation tool kit

Indom is still just throughput better though

[craggy pilot]

if they just made Menace so all enemies would cower in place

that would be hella stronk

[modern brook]

Ur a menace smh

[sweet summit]

Isnt that what it used to do

[craggy pilot]

looks like it still does, but it knocks back everything first

[modern brook]

I think that was an azerite trait

Nvm idk

Who the fuck plays menace anyways

[strong forum]

Menace was cowering in fear

yes

before SL

its literally a useless talent because fear breaks instantly when they take dmg

you cant do VDH sigil of misery stuff because its not ranged and by far not long enough

[modern brook]

Could be ok in pvp for set up with your prot fire Mage comp

[craggy pilot]

if they just made it reduce Cooldown 🤔

[strong forum]

it was literally a useless talent

and still is

[sweet summit]

I had one use

[strong forum]

imagine bron knockback + cower but on your fear button

thats what current menace is

[sweet summit]

Which was extremely niche siege tech

[craggy pilot]

ah the bron knockback is so annoying 😄

[modern brook]

Oh unrelated

Do any of the anima choice matter besides the barbs?

[strong forum]

stoneward for general use
Magic DR for HoA and PF

[craggy pilot]

Devastator baseline
Dragon roar to Devastators position

a new talent somewhere thats literally just Thunderlord legendary
🤔

[strong forum]

choice on the frost guy doesnt matter

[craggy pilot]

maybe something that made Shield Slam interrupt

would be fun if there was a Reprisal build, Thunder Clap build, and Shield Slam build

maybe a talent that increases the Shield Slam DMG bonus from Shield Block to 50%

[modern brook]

Isn't that just punish

[craggy pilot]

nah, it just base 20% slam dmg

but then you could go Punish+Heavy Rep+ Shield block dmg

Shield Slam build for raid

[modern brook]

Tbh only talent change I want is old am

[craggy pilot]

ThunderClap or Revenge build for M+

what was old AM?

[modern brook]

All of our cds

[craggy pilot]

lol

sounds OP as fk 😄

[modern brook]

It was funny af

Or give teir21 back

Which was 0cd shield slam during battle cry

Or stop being afraid and give us interesting talents instead of zzz

[craggy pilot]

so something like:

Devastator Baseline
Dragon Roar to lvl 15
30: new talent: Heavy Shielding, increases Shield Slam bonus dmg to 50%, and causes Shield Slam to interrupt spell cast
Unstoppable Force: Now causes ThunderClap to reduce Demo Shout CD by 3-5 seconds

[cyan onyx]

OP talents with challenging mechanics is >

I dont think adding more interrupts is a good idea but I get where you're coming from.

[craggy pilot]

maybe call it Shield Bash, like the PvP talent 😄 and make it replace Shield Slam

[modern brook]

devastator shouldnt be baseline

froma like

game design pov

or more accruately

Devestate should not be removed from the spec

[craggy pilot]

why?

btw, how do i read the APL on raidbots.com? 🤔 i heard mwahi wrote it

[modern brook]

it complicates the class in a way that doesnt add anything until you look at numbers

Its currently only being used in all content cause its competition is war machine (a leveling/speed running talent) and punish, which is just undertuned

[sweet summit]

Do a small sim / quick sim

Click the "full HTML report"

The you can either go to "profile" (thats what i prefer)

[craggy pilot]

Devastator is just a horrible button to have

[sweet summit]

Or you can go to "action priority list" (looks confusing)

[craggy pilot]

ok i will try thx 🙂

[modern brook]

an actual APL list is literally an action priority list. So each action is given a condition and it just goes down the list performing the action as needed

Its one of those things thats a million times easier to do than explain 😦

[modern brook]

no arguments - its trash and obviously its not meant to be good. but if ITF were on t1 still, we'd be using ITF in all content

like my point is just that devestator is not a defining aspect of prot - which goes against what baseline abilities should be

I'd so much rather see am be baseline

or like booming voice even

those are things that give the class meat

bv a little less so

iunno tbh i just dont want to do my job rn

so

get contrarian'd

[craggy pilot]

the other options of Devastator had to be vastly better for me to pick them tho... Just feels bad to have "Devastator" as a button to press, when theres already so many other buttons.... I never feel i have any downtime as Prot Warr anyway

always something to press

[wild ermine]

So like

how much haste is too much haste
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/706936668233531474/887551181700886608/unknown.png

😂

[craggy pilot]

is this with like a ton of procs?

or full stacked OWS maybe?

[modern brook]

apparently its 40% raw

[cinder nova]

Imagine not stacking crit

[craggy pilot]

this is with me standing in Anima Field Emitter, how the fk u got to 50%

[wild ermine]

It's 40% Raw

[cinder nova]

NEEDS MORE CRIT

[wild ermine]

Uhh

lots of haste gear

[cinder nova]

YOU WANNA PUMP, DON'T YOU SON?

GET MORE CRIT.

[wild ermine]

I pump with haste though :(

[strong forum]

not with 14% crit you aint

[modern brook]

lmao

[cinder nova]

☝️

[modern brook]

bout to say

[wild ermine]

Why you want to stack Crit? I'm not Kyrian so I don't really want to stack it as much

[strong forum]

cuz its dmg

[cinder nova]

Crit stacking is covenant agnostic.

[strong forum]

and we dont say "stack crit"

[cinder nova]

Haste/Crit is our best DPS combo.

[strong forum]

we say get more crit

[cinder nova]

Haste > Crit > Vers > Mast is the pumper array.
Haste > Vers=Crit > Mast is the safeboi array.

[strong forum]

vers is also a decent stat for dmg

but crit is just a bit better

[cinder nova]

Plus it has more impact in M+ except bleeds/magic.

[strong forum]

they dont call me parrygodx for nothing

[wild ermine]

Ahh well I'm way past the DR

I just htink it's funny at this point

[strong forum]

40% is the DR

[wild ermine]

You technically DR at 30%

[strong forum]

ya

but thats irrelevant

40% is where you wanna HARD stop getting haste

or rather, any stat

40% is the literal real cap where you wanna start to hard invest in getting other stats

[wild ermine]

Yeah I'll invest in some verse now for higher keys

[deft hazel]

👀

[wild ermine]

haste go brr tho

[strong forum]

ofc

[deft hazel]

me and my 25% haste

[strong forum]

26% crit 26% haste gang

[deft hazel]

17% crit

[strong forum]

oh nvm its 23

[cinder nova]

💪

[strong forum]

ya i got too much mastery and vers

[cinder nova]

I still need to offload more mast

I'm at 22%

[strong forum]

thats okay tho

12% baseline

[wild ermine]

we get a ton baseline yeah

[cinder nova]

NOM I NEED ALL HASTE/CRIT

[strong forum]

so youre at only like 300 mast

[cinder nova]

ALL OF IT.

[strong forum]

not even

[cinder nova]

My first 252 belt is vers/mast

Haven't gotten a replacement yet

[strong forum]

bro my shoulders are vers/mastery

[wild ermine]

same :(

[strong forum]

239

[cinder nova]

Spires, right?

[strong forum]

fucking awful

[wild ermine]

guessing this one