#protection
strong forum
modern brook
Lmao
plush tendon
did you put on your vers mastery ring?
jagged pier
vast ermine
Anybody knows if its possible to get reprisal through twisting corridors since upper reaches isnt available this week
tame jasper
Afaik yes
BUt I dont know how its calculated, would assume last part must be the one which can drop it
vast ermine
Heard i just need to clear till floor 6 boss
strong forum
Ye
vast ermine
Yeah exactly, was just checking to make sure i dont waste 20 mins, thanks
naive panther
When you tank a 15 key and it's harder than a 20 cause they're pulling under 4k
When you have to kite a pull three times.
modern brook
Iunno this week is a self fulfilling prophecy
wild hemlock
Anybody knows if its possible to get reprisal through twisting corridors since u...
keep doing TC until you get right wing and then get layer 3 i believe?
cyan onyx
halcyon shard
is it my vers
sweet summit
no
cinder pasture
It's always the vers
sweet summit
afro @halcyon shard how do i pvp as a sub rogue
strong forum
cyan onyx
Now this is 😌🤌
strong forum
Meme maker here ama
plush tendon
i just want to do pvp like u do
All the greatest PVPers I know get really close to Glad, go on a lose streak, blame the game and 'broken classes' and then make a video detailing why they are quitting wow
sweet summit
@halcyon shard afro do i play rogue mage
halcyon shard
big haram
plush tendon
I do miss my corruption mastery stacked fire mage in PVP
strong forum
Get out of here filthy rogue player
grave crane
Sub rogue is easy you open and stun everyone with cheapshots and hope your fire mage has combusted the kill target to death
halcyon shard
You press N and swap assassin
grave crane
you swap outlaw and have a blast
modern brook
afro <@!144859308557860864> how do i pvp as a sub rogue
Step one never hold a girl's hand
sick sentinel
i take the bus most places these days and thankfully it's not that strict
sick sentinel
You press N and swap assassin
you can also swap to combat... sorry, outlaw, i can remember time when combat rogue was very good dps in many tiers
ionic fern
Haaah,that's good.
bright flax
Fuck vers. Give crit. /endrant
median tulip
Anybody knows if its possible to get reprisal through twisting corridors since u...
You can, just walk in and out (on Layer 3) until it gives you the right wing for the first 6 floors. The memory will drop from the floor 6 boss.
mellow bridge
any simps
plush tendon
General Rec is Emeni; the strength gain on Cov use is quite strong in conjunction with banner
full bluff
Seems fair
I really like Heirmir's serrated spaulders, though it's probably not an actually good trait
craggy pilot
is it possible to see somewhere how many timed keys in a specific week across entire EU fx?
ocean yoke
bro what if you got another 2% vers tho?
craggy pilot
like to see if there is less timed keys this week compared to last week
feral drift
bro what if you got another 2% vers tho?
id have 2 whole vers
ocean yoke
huge
full bluff
why do you guys hate vers so much lol
feral drift
personally, I understand the logic that vers isnt the end all be all. Its like a vanity muscle. Looks nice to have but you need a good core to be stronk
ocean yoke
vers is half a meme at this point since there is daily someone worried about not having enough
feral drift
if you can get rage faster, you can spend rage faster
grave crane
any necros here? what soulbinds do you guys use?
I use emeni for the stat bonus and the bottom tier trait is pretty decent for proving a shield while above 90%
feral drift
is it possible to see somewhere how many timed keys in a specific week across en...
how does Raider.IO not help with this?
full bluff
I like big haste, personally
full bluff
and I think mastery's neat
craggy pilot
@feral drift
ocean yoke
going fast is always the way
full bluff
thanks for the replies on the soulbind thing btw
ocean yoke
otherwise i get bored
craggy pilot
i guess this kinda works 🤔
10.000 blood DKs timed a key this week, 18.000 blood DKs timed a key last week
feral drift
hope those 8000 dk's didnt die or something
feral drift
https://raider.io/mythic-plus-affix-rankings/season-sl-2/all/world/leaderboards-...
if you keep straight the affix's you can flip back and forth with that filter
becomes a little harder once we go into a rotation (the week after next?)
craggy pilot
wdym with this filter? it only shows what number i am on the rankings
feral drift
you can hit the drop downs to see the timers
craggy pilot
youre missunderstanding me bruv
im asking how many TOTAL timed keys accross EU
not how many i myself timed
craggy pilot
but seems if i compare the lists on raider.io it looks like half the amount this week as last week 😄
feral drift
sorry!
craggy pilot
hopefully Blizz will pick up on that
feral drift
not every week will have the golden seal of Fun™. WoWhead already tiered all of the dungeons as C & D lol
that alone should be a heads up
feral drift
Im like a medium thank you lol
but mayhaps. I dont mean to insult though. Does it suck? yes. is it worth getting on the forums over? nah
patent osprey
we want shit weeks :) so we can spend time with family and friends and other games
feral drift
^ like
Now if they were like "Necrotic and Sanguine are affixs for the next month"
id be handing out free pitchforks
blazing condor
we want shit weeks :) so we can spend time with family and friends and other gam...
ionic fern
He ain't wrong. 😂
I spent this week re-discovering HOMM3.
dim grotto
SSo when starting as Kul Tiran why don't you start with a shield?
Seems weird to not start with one as a Tank
modern brook
It's in the bag
dim grotto
ahh
ionic fern
Ya, Blizz doesn't think that anyone would be willing to play tank so they hide it away.
dim grotto
I knew I had to be missing something
modern brook
Ya, Blizz doesn't think that anyone would be willing to play tank so they hide i...
Also true
sick sentinel
simple, nf or kyrian?
strong forum
whichever shade of blue you prefer
urban portal
Do you like milfs or furries
strong forum
feet or fairies
modern brook
Not picking feet is 
median tulip
anyone know if there's a macro conditional that will equate to false if the target is myself?
modern brook
!
blazing condor
if me
dont
zinc quail
so for keys do we run ravager or into the frey im conflicted
ionic fern
so for keys do we run ravager or into the frey im conflicted
Ravager.
zinc quail
hmm im conflicted bc i enjoy the haste but ravager does some nice rage generation
modern brook
Ravager
strong forum
Ravager
halcyon shard
how much vers do I run in m+
jagged pier
100%
modern brook
how much vers do I run in m+
Ravager
balmy coral
for high keys (like 12+) youd ideally want around 20%
High keys are 20+, low keys are 2-12, mid keys are in between
ionic fern
I mean..12's are considered "high" for some people. 🤷
strong forum
for god keys (like 15+) youd ideally want around 35%
but the more the merrier
balmy coral
for god keys (like 15+) youd ideally want around 35%
but the more the merrier
I sense some sarcasm, I run like 0% verse in 16's I stack crit for MOAR DAMAGE
halcyon shard
What if I do 5s only
balmy coral
hmm im conflicted bc i enjoy the haste but ravager does some nice rage generatio...
It depends, I sometimes run ravager but I* find the extra haste allows for more revenge spam and thus more damage.
strong forum
Ravager grants more rage than playing ITF
blazing condor
strong forum
its not illegal or "bad" to play ITF in keys, but ravager is just better
modern brook
thats the secret bullfango
i mean trust me
balmy coral
its not illegal or "bad" to play ITF in keys, but ravager is just better
I just like to spam revenge, I do swap to rav on fortified weeks tho
modern brook
hey fuck you @strong forum 😠 my brain is large and smooth
strong forum
🤷♂️
grave crane
Just don’t spend rage then you always have it
blazing condor
nom so old he even has wrinkles on his brain LMAOO
strong forum
modern brook
lmao
Memes aside for the Lurkers, always ravager in keys. its better ™️
verse: tap the sign
blazing condor
full bluff
How much M+ do I vers in raid
tired ice
modern brook
blazing condor
sweet summit
a
halcyon shard
b
halcyon shard
modern brook
modern brook
Out curiosity is sadga just sad erga or is it a meme extension
jagged pier
it can be whatever u want it to be
ocean reef
GET OUT OF PROT <@102464908976730112>
YOU AINT THE BOSS OF THIS GYM
ocean reef
@ val'kyr we got a criminal on the loose
ionic fern
👀
sweet summit
Out curiosity is sadga just sad erga or is it a meme extension
sadge + pepega = sadga
smh
how do u not know this
modern brook
Does that make u errant pepega?
sweet summit
yeah sure
modern brook
halcyon shard
smh
blazing condor
Single minded handy
strong forum
And Bull thought I was the boomer...
safe thistle
do we really need to use sack of terror for st ......
safe thistle
but sack vs phial which would you pick at same ilvl
jagged pier
Don't forget about that one
I dont see it on the high parses maybe im just blind
strong forum
They just don't have it
strong forum
but sack vs phial which would you pick at same ilvl
At same ilvl Sack, at max ilvl, Phial
safe thistle
for aoe i guess phial ?
strong forum
strong forum
for aoe i guess phial ?
Both Sack and phial work the same way in aoe
safe thistle
oh yah salvaged is that good ?
strong forum
Yes
Wait a sec
Maybe it's just over simming
Yeah it seems to be over simming like mad, does only like 160-180 dps on the logs I found
grave crane
sack did 8% of my damage and SFA did 5% (187 dps)
strong forum
Sack was fixed, not nerfed
It was fucky if multiple people had it
Sack does like 350-500 dps
true sparrow
Didnt want to skip to rank6?
brave jetty
This week sucks a bag of dicks
Huge damage loss for us too, with all the time spent kiting
grand drum
You sure you arent playing blood dk?
sick sentinel
Didnt want to skip to rank6?
not enough gold or soul stuff
i quit for 2 months just before hell broke loose at blizzard
arctic bridge
I wish prot got Piercing Howl
vapid berry
just be kyrian ez
vapid berry
just wait for 9.1.5 to play the game and swap to kyrian
youd spear on pull usually anyways haha
arctic bridge
I am kyrian, switched 2 weeks back
I do
And the dps decide to fuckin nuke 1 mob into oblivion!
vapid berry
well then sanguine healing it isnt an issue
you guys are killing shit so fast sanguine is fine to tick a bit
wont kill ur key
arctic bridge
Still being tethered in it, is annoying
arctic bridge
Yup
So I have my taunt set with a cancelaura Blessing of Protection, anyone got any niche situations when they think that might be counter productive; realistically.
oblique garnet
Realistically you shouldnt really need to kite until 40~stacks on necrotic this week in 15-16 keys
vapid berry
you use taunt a lot
arctic bridge
Yeah
I know that
But would we really want to keep up blessing of protection for any time other than to remove a debuff
oblique garnet
Bop has been the perfect tool to remove necrotic ever since the change to it being physical dam
sick sentinel
YEP MY fellow tanks, do you have a good wa which covers most of dps aoe on the ground?
dont find any good on wagio
vapid berry
na I just look at where adds are
arctic bridge
Bop has been the perfect tool to remove necrotic ever since the change to it bei...
Yeah, that’s what I think and if you cancel it fast enough you don’t drop agro but I don’t want a whole new button for it
vapid berry
theres weak auras but you need to be looking anyways to see the aoe location
oblique garnet
Yeah, that’s what I think and if you cancel it fast enough you don’t drop agro b...
You can macro it to w/e rotational button if you want to
vapid berry
you could time bop with aoe taunt adds will still attack you with that taunt debuf on just make sure you cancel bop before taunts out
arctic bridge
You can macro it to w/e rotational button if you want to
Yeah fine, that was my thinking
arctic bridge
you could time bop with aoe taunt adds will still attack you with that taunt deb...
That makes sense. Is the aoe taunt 3 secs as well?
median tulip
The worst pull this week is all of the slimes just before the first boss in plaguefall. Instant 50 stacks.
dim grotto
Ealier I was told you get a bag containing a shield when you play Kul Tiran
Where do you get this?
grave crane
They said it’s in your bags I believe like your starting bags
dim grotto
yeah I made 2 to look and can't find it. so weird...
vapid berry
The worst pull this week is all of the slimes just before the first boss in plag...
im a meme at this point but just be kyrian kleia soulbind xddddd
9.1.5 prot warriors swap kyrian on necrotic weeks can already see it
digital arch
Every tank goes kyrian on necrotic lol
i dont know how other tanks do without this potion
north iris
If you played dps this week you’d know. They don’t show up xD
digital arch
haha i do as tank too
radiant osprey
i dont know how other tanks do without this potion
EZ. You hope the group lives until you get done running back.
tropic gorge
kyrian dwarf checking in
sick sentinel
completed tazavesh
very easy until last boss, thought i literal have to sit on the star
tropic gorge
grats!
worn bear
sick dude. hardmode next
digital arch
anyone know what is comming for this week at dg?
naive panther
I forgot that dungeon existed
obtuse monolith
I still need to do it eventually. Still haven’t
lavish oracle
So what's the reason people run phys heavy comps in ToP and Mists?
mellow bridge
It's mostly about the pulls
Pull sizes, how frequently do you have x amounts of targets, how much damage do you actually need etc
Stuff like fire mage is good for huge uncapped aoe pulls
But you don't really have a lot of em in those two dungeons
WW takes care of any aoe damage you need, sub rogues do the funnel damage on priority targets and kill bosses
Warr tank gives em the most damage
If hunter is the third dps, he takes care of the packs that the monk doesn't have CDs for
If you took e.g. both a WW and a fire mage, it can become awkward at the key level they run
One of their CDs is already enough to delete a pack, both using their CDs will just end up in a ton of wasted damage
But desyncing them kinda sucks too since both deal negative damage outside their CDs so they wanna use them as often as possible
worn bear
pwarr is also really good when paired w/ phys dps but that goes w/o saying lol
mellow bridge
Not like its impossible to have both in a group but many teams seem to consider it sometimes problematic depending on the key/their strat
sick sentinel
1-10 how fun is prot war rn and should i abandon the fury dream
mellow bridge
Just try it?
sand pebble
1-10 how fun is prot war rn and should i abandon the fury dream
Don’t test out prot warr in m+ this week and if you do, don’t let it get you down - such a shit week for keys
prisma bear
balmy coral
Parsed 99% with my brez trinket on because dps like to stack the debuff on the tanks for Soulrender
deft sapphire
Biggest part of warriors mitigation is block, not self healing and you have 100% uptime on block in dungeons basically
potent anvil
Big part of pwarr is their damage 👀
Sucks the healer can't dps when you gotta spam revenge 
deft sapphire
ignore pain is useless this week
balmy coral
Big part of pwarr is their damage 👀
Sucks the healer can't dps when you gotta s...
Ain't that the truth!
mental scarab
Just remove IP from the bara so you dont use it
indigo narwhal
Do we know afiixes for next week? Or are they unknown? I heard bolstering explosive?
sweet summit
Bolstering explosive pretty sure
halcyon shard
necrotic teeming
still garden
Ok so I got 20k research from korthia, and some good rings on my alt warrior, but i think it's better to upgrade my conduit's cuz they're 226
sweet summit
Ye sure
Keep in mind once 9.1.5 hits you can farm torghast for soul cinders to buy socket with from bonesmith in korthia
Only 23 layer 12 runs for a full set of 4 sockets 
worn bear
@patent osprey ty big dawg lmao
merry ocean
Only 23 layer 12 runs for a full set of 4 sockets <:copium:839076283467431956>
Isnt it only 11 runs?
merry ocean
Its 350 per layer
merry ocean
sweet summit
Letsgooooo
tame jasper
Only 23 layer 12 runs for a full set of 4 sockets <:copium:839076283467431956>
I have in mind that ash/cinders per run will be heavily increased 🤨
strong forum
What rep do you need for deaths advance sockets?
worn bear
death's advance :p
worn bear
1k cinders is pretty damn extortionate
sweet summit
Ye lol
tame jasper
Exalted
worn bear
it'd be nothing on my main but eugh. don't wanna be dry on them when i might play more covs & need to 262 more stuff
blazing condor
i already have sockets on most my gear through m+
halcyon shard
TIME TO DO KORTHIA
blazing condor
🔫
merry ocean
Korthia Pog
blazing condor
now you hit tier 6
blazing condor
also just to be on ur ass about this but will tanknotes get any more updates to fights/tips n shit?
dunno really how you usually do these things
gaunt dawn
and then got dragged into work calls
forgot about it
shut down my computer
🙃
this was yesterday
strong forum
Pain
gaunt dawn
The update cycle is slow
😦
But prog is over
so i've got free time \o/
so expect to see updates soon
actual soon not soon™
jagged pier
\o/
blazing condor
gaunt dawn
doing the important bosses first
blazing condor
very well job
gaunt dawn
so essentially working from the end of the raid backwards
as that's where there's lacking info or bad info
from publicly available sources
jagged pier
sick sentinel
here's what i can get from my pepega vault today
236 or 229, just wasn't about any keys above an 8 this week
craggy pilot
someone saying this about Bolstering Explosive combo tomorrow 🤔
that doesnt seem like the hardest week if its on Tyrannical?
like we had Fort+Bolster+Quaking... i would believe thats harder than Tyr+Bolster
midnight moss
isnt necro fortified sanguine harder than bolst explo ?
sick sentinel
bolstering explosive ain't that bad
it's only bad if dps doesn't know how to do job probably and slow dps on low hp get them to die pretty much all at once
midnight moss
^this
sick sentinel
bolster is seen as bad for the most part cuz dps are hurrrrr hahahaha aoe dps gobrrrrrtttttt
and then the 4 non elites die, and bolster the elites to hell
midnight moss
bolstering is okay to me
halcyon shard
just tank it
sick sentinel
you just target the elite first with single target so it doesn't turn into 22milion hp
strong forum
Heavily punishes pulling additional mobs
sick sentinel
i think bolster should be like, 2 minute duration, and like XY number of stacks cap
has something in place that mobs can't go to 25 million hp and hit for 100k
midnight moss
would turn bolstering useless though
the affix is meant to be punishing if not dealt properly with
i like the fact that you get a world boss if the dps cant do their job properly
sick sentinel
it artificially slows the dungeon down by limiting how much you can pull, and your dps priorities
midnight moss
actually they shouldnt slow down dungeon artificially, they need to add affixes to bring a new challenge but that's my POV
and clearly not the POV of blizzard :d
sick sentinel
no, we just need better tools to work around the mechanics set in place
midnight moss
^
blazing condor
To be honest in coordinated groups bolstering isnt even too harsh
Cus they dont have donkey dps who just blast and actually cleave mobs properly
Its still a shit affix tho
merry ocean
Does the bolstering anima power work with explosives?
vocal geode
halcyon shard
yes it does
strong forum
Does the bolstering anima power work with explosives?
Yes
It also works with spiteful
merry ocean
Noice
mellow bridge
it's hella awkward to use tho
you need to cancel it constantly to get the full effect out of it lol
mystic warren
Just see the macro as an off the global 15% dmg boost that just requires good timing to press
ionic plank
bolstering also completely removes pulling trash into bosses
which is important for time on some dungeons
kinda rough
warm condor
friendly reminder: sanguine depths canisters also stack with explosives
median tulip
Re: Bolstering - you can get a Weakaura to mark whichever mob has the highest Health
brittle owl
mad cuz bad
wild hemlock
Yes
my tank and i (ele dps) were telling our guild you have to get the explosive kill (personally) for it to count and weve never had such an easy explosive week hahahaha
bright flax
The affixes are fine, they have their purpose, they keep things interesting. People would also complain if there wasnt any
Just be happy theres no teeming 
ionic plank
skittish 
wild hemlock
The affixes are fine, they have their purpose, they keep things interesting. Peo...
skittish*
ionic fern
Skittish wasn't really a thing.
modern brook
People really complained about skittish when we had a 10x threat multiplier
timber junco
Skittish was a free week
ionic plank
but i mean skittish now
median tulip
Why u need a weak aura to see which bar is the most full
Because it's not about % health, it's about actual hit points. The biggest issue with Bolstering comes when you have a pack with widely varying health.
So which bar is the most full is not the important piece of information
modern brook
It's equivalent information
median tulip
It isn't, though
modern brook
It isn't, though
It is though, cadence of death is fairly visible, at this point in the expansion either the pulls with large disparities are known and focus are set, or you're not going to do it anyways. Why fuck with your marks for kicking on the off chance your dps follow the carrot
median tulip
I don't use marks for kicking, and my DPS follow the necessary marks or I wax sarcastic over Discord Voice Comms
I'll admit that "don't pug dungeons" is a luxury not everyone has, mind you well
modern brook
I mean I'm not saying don't pug dungeons
ionic plank
also even pug dps tend to unga bunga dps the skull marker if there is one
it's just drilled into most dps players
modern brook
I'm saying optimizing for playing on a team where no ones playing is wasted enegry
craggy pilot
anyone have an idea how i can get a proper Sylv grp?
i been to 3rd phase consistently, but every pug i find is unable to get past P2...
modern brook
anyone have an idea how i can get a proper Sylv grp?
i been to 3rd phase consist...
Generally join guild reclears
craggy pilot
like a full run from Tarra?
median tulip
Regardless, my point stands; the way my guildies and I deal with Bolstering is to use a weakaura that marks the highest remaining HP to facilitate evenly DPSing them down
modern brook
like a full run from Tarra?
I assumed ur referring to h, but I just mean if you're not looking for a prog fight, you would join a team that isn't progging in it anymore
craggy pilot
well everyone whos not progging it anymore are like "link curve"
feels like i just have to constantly reprog P1 and P2 because of new people in pugs...
modern brook
😬 yeah cause they don't want to get to p3 and then waste 10 minutes to a pug who doesn't know what's going on
If a randy pug has good prog and it's a guild group you can also just ask to come back next raid
jagged pier
anyone have an idea how i can get a proper Sylv grp?
i been to 3rd phase consist...
I dunno join one on satursay that one shot her 🤷♂️
jagged pier
well everyone whos not progging it anymore are like "link curve"
U can just fake achievements, so that doesnt work
modern brook
Toxic :(
jagged pier
Look for 1 thats check logs or somthing
craggy pilot
yea but then they require 10/10 or something
like i didnt kill Sylv before
but i got consistantly to P3
but every pug is just a redo of all P1 P2 prog
feels like starting over
sweet summit
life hack
find a guild
modern brook
Find a guild progging heroic sylv
craggy pilot
struggling KTZ
sweet summit
life hack
find a better guild
craggy pilot
joined the raid yesterday, and we got to Sylv, and the raid was called off 45minutes early, because someone felt hurt by something being said during KTZ
spiral mason
Lmao
craggy pilot
social guilds
jagged pier
life hack
find a better guild <:peepostudy:617259554530656262>
This
sweet summit
hows the new guild going jakey
sweet summit
i c
plush tendon
Mythic or Heroic though?
modern brook
Mythic or Heroic though?
Really gunna do jakey like that smh
ionic fern
Normal,.
jagged pier
They seem pretty keen to get me in just there tank is going to a higher guild after prog
plush tendon
Assumptions make a ass out of you and me!
sweet summit
thats rough
jagged pier
So am just progging with my current guild on pain which is going better than it has been but still exciting times in a week or 2 when i can join
plush tendon
Gotta be carful of dem social guild though; two of my raiders were helping some real life friends.... they still progging on Normal Tarrague
modern brook
Gotta be carful of dem social guild though; two of my raiders were helping some ...
Have they tried using keybinds?
plush tendon
They just get bad powers august
We dont even get powers for Heroic!
Aint no one got time for trash
jagged pier
Wheres the fun in that its like the only fun boss in the raid
modern brook
We show up early to clear trash for powers
Best part of the raid is dumb tarragrue #s
plush tendon
My raiders show up 15min late and thats on a good day XD
modern brook
Lol
plush tendon
granted we say we raid 9-12.... but are a 5 hour a week raiding guild
jagged pier
Few weeks ago we had ppl turn up 40mins late which is why i looked for a new place
plush tendon
we fo sure lose a hour to trolling and tradiness
plush tendon
gambling is top tier content
jagged pier
Tru
plush tendon
sometimes we even bring out the scribble IO
jagged pier
:o
ionic plank
gambling was banned in my guild during raid times :(
jagged pier
Lul
plush tendon
gambling was banned in my guild during raid times :(
well, time to find a new guild
jagged pier
What do u do in the down time?
ionic plank
guild died a few weeks ago
plush tendon
yea, bunch of try hards
jagged pier
ionic fern
What do u do in the down time?
Be effecient - no downtime.
ionic plank
it wasn't even try harding I think it was genuinely a problem
I ran out of gold and had to buy a wow token my first day raiding with them
they were insane
plush tendon
Some downtime is good in between pulls; that way you dont just keep running into the boss making the same mistake over and over again XD
ionic plank
(that's entirely my own fault obviously) but it was non stop gamba gamba every second
plush tendon
dont always have to partake
ionic plank
I DO
plush tendon
sometimes, gotta wait for the pot to get hot
jagged girder
Is Booming Voice, Unstoppable force and Anger Management a viable build for m+ 15-20?
plush tendon
No
ionic fern
Is Booming Voice, Unstoppable force and Anger Management a viable build for m+ 1...
Viable? Yes. But it will make things a lot harder than they should be.
ionic plank
take ravager instead and ur fine i reckon
ionic fern
It's like taking the sub-optimal talents to be cool.
Gets the things done but at what cost.
😂
jagged pier
Is Booming Voice, Unstoppable force and Anger Management a viable build for m+ 1...
Any buold is viable atm, but some are much worse than other, that for instance is a terrible build
plush tendon
and doesnt provide a unique off-meta benefit
craggy pilot
wouldnt that be the go to talents together with Thunderlord, if Reprisal wasnt a thing?
plush tendon
its just strictly worse to run unstoppable
jagged girder
I didn't play since late bfa, which was the build
jagged pier
wouldnt that be the go to talents together with Thunderlord, if Reprisal wasnt a...
No
ionic fern
I didn't play since late bfa, which was the build
We're rocking
Reprisal legendary with Best Served Cold->Ravager->AM
jagged pier
Thunderlord u still ran rav
craggy pilot
@jagged girder
jagged girder
That's a good baseline, then?
craggy pilot
yes
jagged pier
Depends on leggo but for m+ yes
jagged pier
Then thats the only talents u play in m+
cyan onyx
Ravager is a really good on demand rage builder. The damage is a nice bonus
craggy pilot
ye with reprisal you should go what i just posted
ionic plank
if you're playing reprisal you want best served cold for big dam
jagged girder
sure, makes sense
craggy pilot
in the rows where i selected nothing, you can go all options, except for Menace
sick sentinel
i still like bolster more than AM but i think both are fantastic
plush tendon
jagged pier
Bolster is worthless with proper use of reprisal
ionic plank
I like am
jagged pier
And with reprisal u take HR if u want extra block not bolster
jagged girder
Yeah, Bolster was huge on bfa, but I don't feel like struggling to stand my shield up
jagged girder
Thanks guys for your guidance
lilac bloom
not sure why spear keeps deflecting on last boss for spires
jagged girder
sick sentinel
that's real that HR is better overall than bolster for keys?
ionic fern
that's real that HR is better overall than bolster for keys?
With Reprisal.
sick sentinel
i take bolster because i like the button that says"15 seconds of 100% block"
ionic fern
Sorry, with properly played Reprisal.
modern brook
not sure why spear keeps deflecting on last boss for spires
Which spear
craggy pilot
i take bolster because i like the button that says"15 seconds of 100% block"
you already have like 20-30 seconds of 100% block with Reprisal?
if not more
jagged pier
i take bolster because i like the button that says"15 seconds of 100% block"
But with reprisal u should never need 15s of on demand block
HR will literally filll the gaps that reprisal leaves u
modern brook
What if I'm trying to reach block cap?
jagged pier
All the time so u get 100% blocked hits
sick sentinel
i guess i can try it out, i just wonder how much more/less block up time you get with HR that makes it more worth it
jagged pier
Its far more worth its more rage and as we keep saying with proper play of reprisal u only need to fill 4-5 secs of gaps with HR which is actually very easy to do
75-90 with reprisal if u take HR its 100% or your bad
Like not even a joke
median tulip
I kinda hope they give Thunderlord some buffing in 9.1.5
sick sentinel
so, if i do just reprisal charge, i have like, 1, maybe 2 gcd to connect with SS
lilac bloom
Which spear
the boss at the end where u have to collect the orbs and spear the boss to come down.. we had 5 people doing it .. all failed.. no idea why .. i hit her on hte body.. the head.. trying to get my shots as quick as i can .. still the same results.. we are OC palyer as well
bright flax
so, if i do just reprisal charge, i have like, 1, maybe 2 gcd to connect with SS
Dont overthink
You charge you get SB and rage, you dump rage on SB
lilac bloom
and its a 15 key
tired ice
the boss at the end where u have to collect the orbs and spear the boss to come ...
Ah, Devos
bright flax
The SS you put on will extend your SB and you wont even notice it. Literally play the 3 btn rotation
jagged girder
What about souldbinds and conduits?
jagged pier
Right hand side
ionic fern
I would honestly just go down from the right side.
jagged pier
Unerving in the top slot
bright flax
What about souldbinds and conduits?
Take out show of force, get adaptive armor fragment
jagged pier
No just go 1 potency on mik for m+
jagged pier
Well AAF and show of force are like .1% damage increase
modern brook
the boss at the end where u have to collect the orbs and spear the boss to come ...
It's tough to diagnose without a video but very likely yall just missing, to ping or otherwise
Sof sucks nuts
I'm late to that
lilac bloom
thats what i thought.. cos earlier i had lag problems
modern brook
But I'll never miss a chance to insult sof
tired ice
Devos can be kinda jank when she's moving... always wait for her to finish her move, then shoot
jagged girder
I would honestly just go down from the right side.
Do you mean full right or just the top one?
tired ice
That's strange
ionic fern
Do you mean full right or just the top one?
The top one - other choices you've gone for are OK.
lilac bloom
ya all of us triedm it
tired ice
should look something like this
obtuse monolith
I'm moving Condensed up to where Stalwart is this week. The HPS adds up so much at 213 it'd be even more empowered at 239. Vs. a few secs on SW that I may or may not notice
modern brook
I will argue that if you're not noticing stalwarts usefulness you're not using sw enough but it's where it is because it's shared with arms
sick sentinel
i've mostly been using pelagos tree
kliea for last weeks
not sure if thats wrong
obtuse monolith
TBH when raiding arms I'd get more out of Condensed than DBTS too. But SW I find i have it up and just waiting for the right boss move to counter. Like Heartseeker
bright flax
not sure if thats wrong
Theres nothing wrong with it. Everything is viable if you know what youre doing
But iirc peeps here have already told you in the past that most people run mikanikos for several reasons
sick sentinel
i think i really like that kliea 8 seconds of immunity to virtually all debuffs
bright flax
Guides are not rules after all
bright flax
Because mikanikos didnt give you cdr on spear
median tulip
Yeah the new Mika capstone trait is really strong
median tulip
I just have a macro that fires it where I stand
Like this: #showtooltip /cast [@player]Spear of Bastion
tired ice
That's not a good workaround imo, you're seriously gimping the ability
median tulip
I have a cursor macro as well. But 9 times out of 10 Spearing my own location is fine
obtuse monolith
cursor macro, cursor wa ftw
burnt stump
macro doesnt prevent normal use. Just simplifies typical use
bright flax
never tried it tbh, always shit aim with spear
To be fair, with mikanikos you will get more chances to improve that aim 🤷♂️
modern brook
Idk s circle centered on yourself is not typical use of spear
Ar that point just go nf
bright flax
And what bull just said is very true to your situation. If it wasnt for spear it wouldnt be the phial to keep me at kyrian either
tired ice
To be fair, with mikanikos you will get more chances to improve that aim 🤷♂️
Only if he hits tho
burnt stump
I have a self cast keybind and a cursor keybind. Self cast is nice to use sometimes
ionic plank
when I first switched to kyrian I wanted self cast macro, but I found that I only ever use the cursor macro
bright flax
Only if he hits tho
true very very true, but at least it's a positive feedback loop
wild hemlock
I kinda hope they give Thunderlord some buffing in 9.1.5
they hinted at talent rebalancing in 9.1.5 but havent posted anything. id like to see them un-bandaid reprisal even though i love it as a lego. just want some diversity in builds
median tulip
they hinted at talent rebalancing in 9.1.5 but havent posted anything. id like t...
Yeah, diversity would be great.
plush tendon
Reprisal sucks.... its strong, but its pretty much required to make Prot War work
wild hemlock
UN BANDAID US
jagged pier
That would mean a class rewrok
plush tendon
yea, it aint happening
jagged pier
Youll have to waig for 10.0
plush tendon
just wait for double lego
wild hemlock
thunderlords or the revenge lego + reprisal mmmmmm
i think we will be highest dps with 2 leggos but im not tooooo familiar with other classes haha
plush tendon
still probably paladins
craggy pilot
why thunderlords? tho lol
craggy pilot
still probably paladins
is paladins more dps than monks?
jagged pier
Kyrian leggo and shield one for paladins with mik would be busted
craggy pilot
monks doing almost 8k overall dps
plush tendon
Bears also could run Ursocs+legacy
primal cape
shield slam should allowed us to interrupt like avenger tbh
brittle owl
i mean
plush tendon
but again, we will probably see tuning changes; there are some cool combos for some classes, and others are like meh
brittle owl
paladin can do 7k ST
craggy pilot
at first i thought Avengers Shield interrrupted all it jumped to 😄
but way less OP now when i know how it actually works haha
brittle owl
only divine toll shields interrupt on aoe
craggy pilot
if comparing these, it looks like monks do more DPS
or maybe Equinoxmonk is just sick at monk 😄
craggy pilot
people always say look at logs 😄
plush tendon
for raid
craggy pilot
because we cant really Sim M+ overall DPS either
plush tendon
people log raid much more then keys
brittle owl
^
craggy pilot
but tbh there are a lot of +24 logged for both Brew monk and Prot Pally
sick sentinel
that's wrong, but i have these for mik
supposed to be haste, showing incorrect one cuz vault any second now
strong forum
Diversity doesn't exist
And is hardly achievable
There will always be a "best" thing
plush tendon
brittle owl
diversititty
sick sentinel
does explosive mean boss adds as well
if, 4 adds say, mists 2 spawns 4 every time right,
does that mean i have to contend with 5 explosives?
strong forum
Explosive isn't that definite
It's not just "every add spawns 1 explosive every X seconds"
sick sentinel
i remember for sure in BFA it was a bit, and they made some change to it
strong forum
It's an rng chance per active mob in combat to spawn an explosive every now and again
blazing condor
volcanic on last boss of UR
sick sentinel
cuz there was some crap in underrot that could spawn a billion
blazing condor
plush tendon
cuz there was some crap in underrot that could spawn a billion
Last boss underrot
sick sentinel
yeah, spawned a million things if you didn't do it right, and that in turn spawned a billion explosives
instant dead
plush tendon
hell thunderclap was enough
main wasp
Sylvannas Shoulders at 246 (upgrade from 233), or 252 Aegis trinket (currently don't have one), any suggestions?
blazing condor
Id go for aegis
A 252 pretty much bis trinket outweighs 13ilvl stat upgrade in my opinion
bright flax
Rough choice, id wait go kill the nine before picking up
blazing condor
Also that. Just reclear
main wasp
true, i guess i'll wait until after tonight
craggy pilot
did US get affixes yet?
modern brook
Esp if ur clearing mythic bosses
blazing condor
I assume you got 233 dom shoulders
bright flax
They do, but dom sockets will potentially be disabled next patch, sweet aegis will only be outscaled
And by next patch I mean 9.2, not 9.1.5. Hold your pitchforks
blazing condor
A 252 aegis will most likely be incredibly useful next patch as well
Same as people are using 226 splinter still
strong forum
*those that don't have aegis/matrix yet
deft finch
IQD isnt good for Prot Warriors right?
blazing condor
Its not something youd want to sit on
Its fine but not worth keeping around if you get other options
deft finch
I got a 252 in the GV so I was wondering do I hold it or just go with the other armor upgrades lol
deft finch
I curse blizzard cause it coulda been scale but they let it be IQD 😦
balmy coral
Got scale in my alt healer who I occasionally tank on...
deft finch
That would be my main now lol. I havent gotten it on my bear or warrior since s1
strong forum
Scale is overrated
sick sentinel
whats good trinkets now or just raid ones
sick sentinel
bleh, i never raid lol
strong forum
Rest you can ignore pretty much
sick sentinel
i use spires trinket + X
blazing condor
afe is fine
Id probably run matrix and aegis in m+
If i could choose
Now i run aegis + ows
sick sentinel
how about a pin for all the shorthands that the Pwars use here so we can look things up when you talk about the UrW or whatever it is
bright flax
I use SD decanter + ows in raid because afe + ows eats into some DR 😦
opaque hearth
Can you guys help me out with this 233 OWS vs 252 Decanter of Anima Wind?
jagged pier
strong forum
I'd just sim ye
blazing condor
hc can even get you a 246
opaque hearth
yeah my guild and I are just starting heroic, so 233 is all ill have access to f or awhile heh
stray hemlock
I live for the "what do I take from vault questions?"
I only run a single 15 last few weeks which makes it easy for me.
Anyone else look forward to Tuesday vault spam?
bright flax
only looking forward to "but my versatility is only X"
sick sentinel
unstoppable force talents, thoughs^?
sweet summit
worse than the other options
sick sentinel
understadable, i just have seen alot of prot warriors latly going for it
i have always used revenge, m+ talking forgot that
jagged pier
Then they are all wrong
sick sentinel
pog
tame jasper
Are "Scorn" and "ire " deflectable via SR?
lofty widget
they are not
ancient monolith
bottom line is you still get the 20% reduced magic damage taken
but you should use SR when smaller eyes cast piercing lens because those are reflectable
modern brook
understadable, i just have seen alot of prot warriors latly going for it
Lot of people are going prot cause it's getting mdi rep and remember how to monkey it up from bfa
autumn lintel
WHY DOES GOD HATE ME
wild hemlock
And phial + sack
sorry what is sack
autumn lintel
fucking 252 Slimy Consumptive Organ
wild hemlock
huh cool
sick sentinel
Lot of people are going prot cause it's getting mdi rep and remember how to monk...
true makes alot more sense, ppl like to copy what those who know what to do, but just in a sense
spring mango
How much haste is too much???
modern brook
No such thing
plush tendon
false, once you have 40% haste you should consider other stats
spring mango
let the grind begin
strong forum
if youre over 40% haste passively without buffs or ITF, then you should look into other stats pretty hard
spring mango
but seriously. I can play around with rings and range between 27-34% haste. Stat weights are showing crit to be valuable to a point. would it be worth it to sacrifice to 27% for dps/ilvl??
strong forum
but seriously. I can play around with rings and range between 27-34% haste. Sta...
yes
crit is our best offensive stat for raid
mental scarab
Best stat necrotic week
feral drift
First time ive had a really bad vault week... Any insight on what to grab? Im leaning toward 246 Shield.
lofty widget
shield if its your highest ilvl
plush tendon
you already have Aegis?
lofty widget
i mean shield is a slight upgrade, shoulders are a no go for raid
feral drift
you already have Aegis?
yes
potent anvil
balmy coral
First time ive had a really bad vault week... Any insight on what to grab? Im le...
I assume you have that trinket?
For Raiding and M+, I got a 239 aegis from The Nine, 233 OWS, 242 AFM, 252 OPC, 239 Titanic. I'm leaning towards the aegis and either OPC/OWS
feral drift
Yea I have the trinket already
balmy coral
If at all, is unholy set bonus a DPS upgrade over blood for parsing?
lime urchin
<:deswind:533073964096946176>
Can’t wait for yer results, imma have a wee dps-tonk-evening myself tonight as well
blazing condor
belt if between those two
strong forum
id pick neck
and wait until i could slap another socket on it with equipping it
that 252 belt is just gonna get replaced by any other haste belt
boreal solstice
The leech is appealing i have the research to put a socket on either
boreal solstice
what does equipping it do?
strong forum
nothing
i just wouldnt
id wait until a better belt came along
technically its an upgrade
tough rover
guys im quite new to prot warr tanking in M+ what ench on weapon are you using ? and oil or sharpening stones?
strong forum
but i personally wouldnt spend the research on a belt thats gonna get replaced for any other 252 belt
strong forum
guys im quite new to prot warr tanking in M+ what ench on weapon are you using ?...
celestial guidance + sharpening stone
boreal solstice
I see, thanks for your input.
tough rover
celestial guidance + sharpening stone
what about embalmer oil ?
strong forum
no
tough rover
ok ty
obtuse monolith
If at all, is unholy set bonus a DPS upgrade over blood for parsing?
I don’t think so from sims but it may be different at higher gear.
For parsing I’d stick with blood and use more Crit/Vers pieces.
Apparently I blue parse as Prot 😄 I don’t think too many tanks care about going for that vs execution
strong forum
blood is better for parsing
balmy coral
I don’t think so from sims but it may be different at higher gear.
For parsing ...
My average parse as prot is like 96% lol.
strong forum
tank parses are a meme
balmy coral
blood is better for parsing
I thought so.
strong forum
if you have current gear and can press your rotation, youre getting free 95+ parses
balmy coral
tank parses are a meme
It's a meme u til your hard carrying your guild to aotc and the 5th highest DPS of 9 in your guild.
balmy coral
wait heroic parses?
Heroic parses are the only ones that matter.
balmy coral
heroic parses are too easy so they kinda dont
I usually only look at ilevel parsing tho. But unlike heroic, you can't carry 4 grey parsing DPS in Mythic
obtuse monolith
My Normal parses are like 99 XD. And apparently some people log LFR too. It’s funny to look yourself up
strong forum
and you still kill the boss
balmy coral
how often people gray parse in mythic raiding
We legit have 240+ mages who cannot touch my dps.
strong forum
ya thats bad
balmy coral
And I am like 238. We have some really bad players and are 7/10H
balmy coral
It's sad, I had to craft The Wall for Guardian so we could only need 1 soak group
Well I didn't have to, I choose to.
obtuse monolith
Back in MoP we beat all the DPS. That was fun
strong forum
i did guardian for the first time and we just had half the raid soak tank 1 the other half soak tank 2
literally a non issue
jagged pier
ppl overcomplicate that fight
obtuse monolith
I’m actually thinking of upping my Wall from 225 to 235 for tomorrow. Or maybe even 249. We’re trying to AOTC tomorrow and bitch hits hard
strong forum
eh
balmy coral
i did guardian for the first time and we just had half the raid soak tank 1 the ...
It's a non-issue when people actually stack, I kept having DPS die either side.
balmy coral
My Heroic Soulrender parse where I used the wrong trinket, I was 8th in DPS out of 10 DPS and 2 tanks and 5th in my guild.
strong forum
hm
jagged pier
I’m actually thinking of upping my Wall from 225 to 235 for tomorrow. Or maybe e...
only ever used rep on slyv
obtuse monolith
Best guardian execution I’ve seen was tanking boss in middle with 4 markers around him. Two are the stack spots, two are the tank spots. Works like a charm
balmy coral
I jumped into a Heroic put, on Ner'zul my Monk outhealed the other 2 healers and both tanks combined. Idk why people think 225 is enough for a heroic pug...
strong forum
bro just walk into the group as tank and then walk back out
well technically 225 is enough
balmy coral
well technically 225 is enough
I specifically said for a pug
balmy coral
bro just walk into the group as tank and then walk back out
Or just have 1 horribly spread group, let the warrior tank solo his soaks, taunt, soak then move.
I definitely baby my guild. What I find funny is, we struggle on soulrender every week but literally one shot heroic painsmith our first attempt.
obtuse monolith
only ever used rep on slyv
Good to know. If I can stick to Rep and just lean on Aegis & DS that’d be ideal
balmy coral
Like we wiped 8 times on heroic Tarragrue but one shot eye and the nine.
strong forum
balmy coral
Good to know. If I can stick to Rep and just lean on Aegis & DS that’d be ideal
What is your ilevel? I think I used rep in my last few attempts. I think I will swap to the wall because the guy I run heroic syl makes the tanks hold a shit ton of stacks.
strong forum
i did her with 245 ilvl and she didnt even drop me to half with tank combo
strong forum
idk, hits like a wet noodle
jagged pier
Good to know. If I can stick to Rep and just lean on Aegis & DS that’d be ideal
u dont need defesnive trinkets
strong forum
maybe p3 does damage? idk
balmy coral
idk, hits like a wet noodle
She doesn't bit hard, but holding 22 stacks in p3 hurts
Hit hard*
strong forum
well DUH
obv
usually you dont go above like 10
unless you literally ultra soak and hold for raze forever
for literally ever
balmy coral
Yea, this guy I ran with, he runs 8-10 Heroic Syl kills a day, he does it that way.
So the MDI is proving to the world that Prot Warriors were always S+ Tier.
brave jetty
Yes, Battle Shout S+ tier
I missed Theater timers by 10 seconds or fewer 3x in the last two weeks. I want my fucking points after today's fix.
strong forum
"Yes, Battle Shout S+ tier" this
wild hemlock
what comps were they running
anyone have like a reddit thread that tracks mdi and comps and shit
lofty widget
I missed Theater timers by 10 seconds or fewer 3x in the last two weeks. I want...
they gave points retroactively when they increased the dos timer, should be the same now
brave jetty
they gave points retroactively when they increased the dos timer, should be the ...
Oooh
jagged pier
cov conduit of SoF
sick sentinel
probably change the top conduit to something more EV just
jagged pier
verdict over Show of force
slim pier
How does Seismic work on revenge?
bright flax
Like the tooltip says 🤷♂️
sick sentinel
what about for empowered one at the top
sick sentinel
i'm going to do unnerving/safeguard for those 2 i guess
bright flax
what comps were they running
The most common comp I noticed was full AP based
PWarr, HPala, Monk, Rogue, Hunter
You can check the vods on youtube
plush tendon
didn't realize prot was pumping in keys
we arent. If any Blizz employee is reading this please buff us another 10%-15% thanks 😄
slim pier
digital arch
this week if the dps dont do a good job, u can say good bye for the key
lol
i did a +17 HoA, a mage did 6k overall, missed only 30s for kill the boss
was for this dps
brave jetty
HoA can be kinda tight if you can't pull big
digital arch
HoA can be kinda tight if you can't pull big
yeah, i did a pull that got 9 stak
i died so fast haha
ill try now sd 17
blazing condor
Hoa is a dps dependant dungeon for sure
You gotta pull big
And efficient
But you also need good dps
plush tendon
pretty much