TANK NIGHFAE
#protection
strong forum
yes
digital arch
I LOVED THIS
strong forum
cuz of battleshout :^)
digital arch
so is nightfae better so?
digital arch
what do u mean with this?
strong forum
theyre pwar cuz of full phys comp
because of Battleshout
and theyre NF so they can open the gates in mists
because no one else is NF in their comp
digital arch
i got a lot of haste, i loved, he is full haste too
strong forum
yes full haste is the way to go
potent anvil
Halls+17, trying to do 8k overall 
Soon.
potent anvil
I used elysian might lol
digital arch
Control of rage or the last is better?
strong forum
elysian might is not a dmg gain
potent anvil
35% crit, arms gear 
visual fog
That's a perf
War tank is not the best tank this week, were you playing with the Elemental of Sham and the stuff of the drood too?
visual fog
Oh, really?
strong forum
yes
visual fog
I would've think Monk and DH were going to be the best
jagged pier
unplayable 😦
TRUUUUUUUUUUU
visual fog
Oh well, I think I didn't understand this game well :')
sick sentinel
is DH not as good a pair for dps with a warlock with say a mage
strong forum
-bear is best because their legendary ignores necrotic
-pwar is 2nd because we reduce dmg taken we dont rely on healing, so necrotic doesnt affect us as much
-pally has decent mitigation, doesnt rely as much on healing and has bop/bubble
-vdh has meta and decent amount of parry/dodge with spikes, but needs alot of heals/does healing
-monk has alot of dodge and can stagger a decent amount, but needs alot of heals/does healing
-bdk mitigates very little and requires to heal alot
visual fog
I was more thinking about the kiting and stuff instead of damaging :o
sick sentinel
i think there is some kind of CD timing with mages and the DH magic dmg X% buff, and i don't think it would work with a warlock as well
sometimes take warlock panic pick because it has pets, gates, cookies, SS banish and more
i like running with a demon hunter
visual fog
-bear is best because their legendary ignores necrotic
-pwar is 2nd because we r...
I haven't started to learn tank yet, but excepted for bdk, I was thinking all the opposite as you
sick sentinel
i think the big appeal with Ppal is that you can block spells and giga self heal
digital arch
990 HASTE I LOVE IT
strong forum
digital arch
u have way better item lvl, but i got 1100
990 is the cap of haste, i dont know if its good or not get more
strong forum
its not the cap
digital arch
yeah, u got penality
strong forum
yeah the 10% one is irrelevant
strong forum
you lose a total of 33 haste going from 30% haste to 40%
strong forum
critblock chance
ocean yoke
+damage too
ocean yoke
yeet
urban portal
Oh I thought crit block are based on crit chance
urban portal
for every class/spec
I thought healers don't get damage
urban portal
So therefore they don't go mastery for dam
strong forum
i think
you get +damage in 1 way or another
be it atk power
or your spells do more damage/healing
or spellpower
or some kind of other modifier
urban portal
Yeah I meant that hpal don't do damage
ItS more healing
But hpal is kwnon for dam
So they go like haste vers crit for pumping dam
strong forum
just like we do
strong forum
Oh I thought crit block are based on crit chance
crit chance grants you parry
mastery = passive block chance ( very little gain) critblock chance (the actual % displayed) and +% atk power
urban portal
Is crit block just double the amount blocked
urban portal
Of the hit right
strong forum
yes
digital arch
witch one is better for m+?
modern brook
healers do
Healer mysteries are usually heal throughput not attack power
strong forum
f
modern brook
It's why you rarely want mastery for damage parse sets as a healer
I'm sure like disc or something has damage associated with jt
But I know resto d and s both are only heal throughput
strong forum
witch one is better for m+?
with reprisal, usually Anger Management; Heavy Repercussions if you wanna turtle a bit more
strong forum
I'm sure like disc or something has damage associated with jt
for disc i think its something with atonement
idk tho
havent played healer since wrath
modern brook
Iunno ur probably right
I just know mastery = throughput
So for tanks and dps it's damage in some sense
For healers it's healing
urban portal
The attack power is there so that you can get a bit of damage with mastery
digital arch
someone can send me a macro with this on self please
visual fog
You can also press alt when you do the spell
digital arch
this is better than in combat?
visual fog
For a lot of stuff, it'll put it on you
strong forum
yes you use ravager before you charge into packs
digital arch
okkay
strong forum
ravager > charge + avatar
ravager takes 1 GCD to deal damage, so you wanna use it very early on
sick sentinel
top +7 with 7 seconds to go on timer
4 minutes some when we started arena 2nd last, gave up all hope of timing
granite hedge
Hey guys, boa os the Best way to use shield block?
primal cape
someone can send me a macro with this on self please
/cast [@player] Spellname
ok has been answer
sick sentinel
i'm not certain what a boa os is
mellow bridge
i guess os = is
jagged pier
Hey guys, boa os the Best way to use shield block?
If boa means bind on action ergo bind it to another action no
mellow bridge
but idk what they mean with boa
jagged pier
Never ever fucking do it
sick sentinel
i bind charge to intervene, but at least that makes sense
craggy pilot
only thing i bind to something else is Victory Rush+Charge
digital arch
first time i saw a feral at dg
craggy pilot
so few tanks grouping this week holy moly
every time i put up a >15 key, it takes 30+minutes to find a tank
ionic fern
Necrotic/Fort no bueno.
digital arch
every time i put up a >15 key, it takes 30+minutes to find a tank
i did +17 now, was so fast for find group as tank haha
craggy pilot
Necrotic/Fort no bueno.
feel like Necro+Fort wouldnt really be so bad, but the fact that it has Sanguine on top, meaning its even harder to CC mobs for the tank to kite...
ionic fern
Couldn't care less about Sanguine.
Necro+Fort is bad because DPS'ers are bad.
Everything lives forever.
safe thistle
true
craggy pilot
but didnt we have Fort+Necro earlier this season?
ionic fern
Yes, and it was also bad.
craggy pilot
oh no it was Tyran nvm
craggy pilot
Tyran Necro Spiteful
safe thistle
you sky rocket on stack cause ppl only care about the dps meter and no focus fire to drop at least the annoying one that can refresh stack.
if your lucky youl get good shaman thast know how to use earth elemental
sick sentinel
just turn down how bad the sanguine is and slight nerf to necrotic
1.5% less heal per stack from 2%/stack
safe thistle
sick sentinel
and for sanguine it does a big dot whenever you first touch it and 1 or 2 seconds later type thing, not as much heal on monsters, or say it shields them first, and not breaking the shield heals them, shield is say, 10-15% monsters life (less for elites)
right now what it is, is like, instant 8% total hp/s, so you get deleted
bright flax
Necro+Fort is bad because DPS'ers are bad.
As much a I hate to fingerpoint, this is the only issue Ive found so far this week
Cba to do more than a weekly key on warr. But I do enjoy pugging on pala. Seeing gorechop 1st room overstay my ashen hallow isnt pretty
ionic fern
Yes. They are all "viable". For pure DPS purposes you can sim yourself.
obtuse monolith
Blizzard: “We’ve put incentives in the game so more people will tank random groups!”
Also Blizzard: “Yeah so for non-queue groups we’re going to give tanks the thrilling challenge of Necrotic with trash packs that take 2 minutes for the DPS to get down”
sick sentinel
it is what it is
primal cape
just timed hoa19 pu, will be the last of the week ffs
deft hazel
lusty wedge
urban portal
Not for prot
Revenge is already square root scaling
Only thing that changes is ravager
pastel sleet
As is spear and thunderclap I believe
urban portal
thunderclap does 0 damage anyways
too nerfed
spear is sqrt yeah
and AA is still hard 5
frank saddle
Anyone know how the nine's aegis trinket work with necrotic stacks?
novel lotus
I'd assume it blocks the damage from the dot but doesn't prevent you from gaining stacks 🤔
shut summit
absorbs the damage, yea
potent anvil
@strong forum Close enough.
frank saddle
i meant, is the healing from blocking hits also gets reduced because of necrotic?
jagged pier
<@!192743144276623360> Close enough. <:deswind:533073964096946176>
LETS GOOOOOOOO
jagged pier
What trinkets u got?
potent anvil
I currently use 252 phial + 246 ows
jagged pier
There like our best 2 for damage
jagged pier
For ST as well
Sack pumps
And matrix pumps
But i dont have matrix so cant say how much
potent anvil
Yeah I need both of those. I never stepped foot in Tazavesh lol
jagged pier
Its kind of a waste outside of 1 full run and then just killing mailman tbh
potent anvil
I feel like reprisal isn't really needed around the 18-20 key level...definitely feel like you can get away with damage. Took out my 235 seismic reverb shoulders and tried it in a halls+17, which is that overall as well.
If it wasn't for necrotic
primal rain
does intervene work against first boss SD charge?
potent anvil
If my prot gear is as optimized as my arms gear, I feel like you can run seismic up to like 22-23s even lol.
Just blast
jagged pier
u can use seismic in anything as long as your comfortable really
potent anvil
Yeah, true. I didn't feel like I need more survivability. Just want to do more dam
jagged pier
u do loose a metric shit tone of block running it
so u need to be comfortable not having it
potent anvil
I kinda run the finesse conduit that gives cdr for utility abilities...so shockwave for prot. 15s CD with rumbling earth, not too bad. Since I'm not running reprisal.
jagged pier
get a bit sticky other ppls stuns and DR with that if your not careful
potent anvil
Nobody stuns in pugs
jagged pier
i mean true
craggy pilot
@potent anvil would you then go HR to make up for not having Reprisal? or just have way less SB uptime?
potent anvil
<@!95652243235143680> would you then go HR to make up for not having Reprisal? o...
I rather go Bolster, tbh. Although, if you were to play for dps I would commit to it by just going AM. The idea is to just do as much damage while not dying, so Bolster (along with the conduit) helps with that more than HR imo.
Having <2 min cd shield walls kinda helps with bridging SB uptime as well.
jagged pier
HR is only useful if your running reprisal
as it fills the gaps
bolster is better if u arent
potent anvil
And if you're pumping out as much damage as possible, packs typically should be dead or close to it before you have to kite. Unless it's necrotic week and you get up to 50+ stacks like I do
jagged pier
☝️
potent anvil
Once I get my prot gear up, I'll try tanking some 20+'s with seismic reverb. Full send blast mode
craggy pilot
wouldnt something like Elysian Might be about the same overall DPS?
craggy pilot
ah ok, thought that was the leggo they were running in MDI, but i guess its more for the control then?
anyone know why im getting queue on raidbots.com even with paid account? 🤔
halcyon shard
other people who paid might be in front
craggy pilot
it says "paid: no wait" though 🤔
my guildmate has the same, and he also has paid account
jagged pier
there is still a queue of paying users
its just faster
they would have lost a lot of support recently so probs have less stuff running
craggy pilot
queue is same size for me when im logged in or not logged in
sick sentinel
paying a monthly sub to simulate your dps faster ontop of the wow montholy cost + box cost + tokens + store mounts
don't even get me start4ed
sick sentinel
i'd argue to play semi competitively you need at least a sub and tokens
jagged pier
and dungeon boosts
or just go farm your consumes
do callings
like if u justplay the game
u get more gold than u spend
sick sentinel
im sorry, just i think that paying for a service offered for free so its a bit faster so that you can simulate wether your dps is higher or not is pinnacle of stupidity to me
halcyon shard
eh, sometimes you just dont wanna wait
you also pay to be able to have more iterations
jagged pier
i personally have cancelled mine because i dont dps anymore
but when i was i did so i could sim 10 mil interations
and back then far more ppl were simming
so u didnt have to wait 30 mins for the sim to start
mossy peak
i don't pay it for the iterations so much as to support them for providing such a critical service to the community for free
but i guess that makes me stupid
jagged pier
very worth the £3 quid or whatever it was
jagged pier
and yer if ppl dont pay likely the service would ither have stopped by now or be shit like ask mr robot
sick sentinel
then again, i subscribe to a twitch streamer every month, so thats just a big a waste of money i suppose
halcyon shard
lmao
sick sentinel
costs about the same too
jagged pier
it costs less
mossy peak
does he sim your shit in raidbots for you
jagged pier
its like £8 for 3 months
sick sentinel
nah, is mostly asmon i watch and a bit of arcus (nintendo speed runs)
i could give a shit less about most of the members OTK
mossy peak
paying $5+ a month to a twitch streamer who has over 10,000 active subs so you can rent emotes, fine
paying less than that for sims and to support the backbone of competitive wow, pinnacle of stupidity
jagged pier
his money let him do with it what he likes but saying stuff is stupid is just his opinion like im sure a lot of use thinking subbing outside of prime gaming is a bit dumb. but theres no need to start an argument we all make our own money and we can all spend it how we choose
but just remeber yogi if ppl didnt support raidbots, it probably wouldnt be there
sick sentinel
i'd be watching him anyways because of way he speaks unfiltered, and it gets rid of the ads without using some janky adblockers
i feel like the majority of messages he speaks about are correct, or more correct leaning
mossy peak
not calling out the choice of spending, only the hypocrisy in the opinion
support everyone you want to support
obtuse monolith
#Puglife I tanked an 8 PF last night because I couldn’t be bothered to do a run that needed voice chat at midnight. I think I found the only balance druids in the world who actually gave trees to keep my stacks low and knocked shit out of sanguine. That part was great.
But the healer wouldn’t top us off between pulls, even with full mana, and nobody but me, the tank, unveiled the adds on Domina.
Even the pugs that go well go weird in unexpected ways. Without the one guy on the balance alt who knew how to play it could have taken forever.
hollow sun
i am rerolling to horde, tanking low keys for gear. PF 8, 3rd boss, my il is like 160, no legendary. Talking with the healer after the boss
primal cape
he does not bind dispell
i still have problems on fortified weeks tanking 2nd pack inside dos, it hurts
hollow sun
use the stairs to los the shadowcore if you have to
but the beam will hit you even if you are below, so be careful with that
primal cape
whats the n1 spell to interrupt on this pack ?
hollow sun
shadowcore
you can't do it alone though
its also possible to reflect
and the small mobs melee very hard with magic attacks too, so its definetly a kiting pack
hollow sun
yeah, don't worry. It mostly practice and your group
if you see that no one is kicking and you will die on the next shadowcore, just run away from the stairs
i did that when i pugged lower keys xD
sick sentinel
potatoe chip? huh
primal cape
it feels getting hit around 60% each sec when no interrupts is done on this pack, and some are perma casting if you dont cut
awful pack
hollow sun
the speaker casts 2 spell, shadowcore, which is pure magic damage and deaths embrace ( a magic buff on a mob). Usually you interrupt only shadowcore
sick sentinel
i am rerolling to horde, tanking low keys for gear. PF 8, 3rd boss, my il is lik...
sad that it's that bad
hollow sun
if you are doing low pugs you can go first inside the pack with a huge lead and spell reflection on pull, so no one will interrupt the shadowcore you are reflecting
primal cape
this was a dos19
hollow sun
ah well
primal cape
and this is the only pack who gave me problems
hollow sun
people should interrupt by now
hollow sun
you should be always kiting the slowable mobs, and interrupting the shadowcore
charge back to interrupt if needed and run again
use stairs if needed, even though its not very practical
@sick sentineli rerolled horde for other reasons 😐 basically people forced me out of my guild lol
sick sentinel
that sounds terrible
ashen sigil
How bad is venthyr for prot? I want to play Venthyr in my Fury, but it means when I'm playing Prot I will suck, right?
ionic fern
If you play the spec wrong you'll suck.
You can be perfectly fine as Venthyr prot.
It's just not as good as NF/Kyrian.
median tulip
How bad is venthyr for prot? I want to play Venthyr in my Fury, but it means whe...
It's not as good as Kyrian or Night Fae, but it is still viable for all content.
ashen sigil
Yes, so I'm asking how much is "not as good". Will I need to sweat and break my fingers in a content where Kyrian/NF will be relaxed and forgived for mistakes? =-)
ionic fern
No.
ashen sigil
Ok, that's what I needed to know. Thanks! =-)
plush tendon
The Cov choice should be seen as a bonus to your kit rather then something required to play Prot Warrior well.
sick sentinel
How bad is venthyr for prot? I want to play Venthyr in my Fury, but it means whe...
venthyr prot is 3rd place tied with maldraxxus for worst for pwar, but its by all means do able
urban portal
i would argue venth is worse than necro
im still mentally scarred by a prot warrior in my key that casted condemn 20 times throughout a whole dung
plush tendon
Venth has very strong Soulbinds, Condemn is strong in ST, and covers a important dungeon buff
urban portal
fleshcraft>door and group dps
plush tendon
It still looks like Kyrian=NF>Necro=Venth overall; Necro has its strengths, but its limited by how constrictive banner is to get full value and necro dungeon buffs are generally considered the weakest of the bunch
But obviously, you can play any as it has been done already
urban portal
its quite easy to get full value out of banner in m+ tho
but ye for dungeon quota venth is much bigger
tho you can argue the benefits of necro is much more hidden
when i was plying venth fury stonebrone is ~15% of my own damage
while necro banner in top is 10% vers for 5 people
its just harder to see that power when its an aura instead of a goliath swinging
plush tendon
Stoneborn also gives 10% damage reduction, but yea dem gargoyles have been nerfed quite heavily
but SD cannisters are huge
dim oak
what weapon oil/enchant should I use on my alt prot warrior who just does 15s/16s maybe 20+ later on in the tier?
dim oak
thanks
fathom turtle
hey, which soulbind as kyr for raid?
sick sentinel
i dont know what trinket to go for, 220old warrior soul, hc gland, phial 236 , guardian hc one, and sun king alar one, though?
plush tendon
hey, which soulbind as kyr for raid?
Owl Bro
blazing condor
mikanikos
short kiln
Been running aegis and matrix since the suggest. Very happy.
Swapping scale for aegis in big hit scenarios
sick sentinel
Gland is also decent, but guardian trinket is a must pick
i have heard that wasnt that good, it was nonesense i suppose
old warrior soul thoughs?
blazing condor
ows is really great
blazing condor
i would probably swap it for matrix in m+
fathom turtle
guys i have to jump in as tank for our raid and got no xp xD bad blood set or good unholy set ? xd
fathom turtle
rank 1 blood rank 5 unholy
sweet summit
fathom turtle
ok
sick sentinel
uh gives alot of stats so should be fine xD
fathom turtle
nice first time tanking and did tarragrue mythic ! 😄 thx for support
strong forum
wanna know what pisses me off to extreme ends?
most of the pwars in mdi using this fucking vers mastery ring
near pewter
Where do you see their items?
strong forum
on rio
blazing condor
are the pierce soul timers different on mythic nine?
on hc you can swap on 2
but now i keep getting stacks
(not intervening btw)
strong forum
i mean if 2 doesnt work then swap on 3
near pewter
most of the pwars in mdi using this fucking vers mastery ring
Any idea why they are using it over others? looks like some of them are using the verse pvp ring aswell
strong forum
cuz they big dumb and only want MUH HIGH VERS
i dont agree with alot of their itemization
only ones that geared and talented properly were nerf and lepan
the others i dont agree with
blazing condor
also nine is such a faceroll boss wth
almost killed it with like 6 people dead from early on
plush tendon
100%
plush tendon
You can go into The Nine raw and kill it
blazing condor
yep
plush tendon
you just assign soaks, move the marker around for dispells, and tell people with bomb to get out and move out of shield
props to those who can immune the split damage
blazing condor
yeah that shit was easy
also
246 with socket or 252 the nine ring?
its a lot of haste
got a 246 death god's signet with socket
but nine ring gives more haste ig
digital arch
i love warrior prot, did 5k over at top 18
strong forum
246 with socket or 252 the nine ring?
socket
blazing condor
strong forum
a socket adds like 13ilvl
so, only a ring with a socket can beat your 246 death gods
fathom turtle
mythic eye adds hitting hard, especially if u have the add from laser phase aswell
strong forum
nothing that cant be healed
fathom turtle
sadly i gotta play with m+ leggy 😦
strong forum
nothing wrong with that
the boss is very much easy enough to just go for max damage
fathom turtle
ye i think aswell. first progress evening on it and tbh my guildmates arent the best xd
blazing condor
i killed m eye today with reprisal
blazing condor
🤷♂️
i just kinda played it
intervened when i could
but didnt actively charge weave
fathom turtle
k thought so
blazing condor
but you dont need Wall
i played it because my wall is on shoulder and i'd lose the dom socket
maybe i wouldve played EM or something instead
but idk the dps
strong forum
now its #8
ye
trash
gotta roll NF now
actually its mainly your killtime from what it looks like
fathom turtle
i like kyr more, was nf before. kyr is rly nice and got more aspects to play with, tank, arms, pvp
strong forum
cuz youre like 50sec slower
stray hemlock
Just use your cds on the intermission eyeballs. Spell reflect the casts
ionic fern
Be a macho and don't use a Legendary at all.
strong forum
thats me
fathom turtle
what i can spell reflect at eyes?
jagged pier
tbf i only really intervened on the eye as u have to run uber far to charge on that boss
so should really play EM or somthing
jagged pier
what i can spell reflect at eyes?
spreadsheet in the pins
fathom turtle
so should really play EM or somthing
em i have for dd with versa crit on rank 6, the charge leggy is just r4 😦 ^^
blazing condor
then play em
strong forum
not on the nine tho
blazing condor
naw
plush tendon
gotta make natures fury for The Nine 😄
fathom turtle
our holy pala got each try like 3k hps??? XD
stray hemlock
Sounds like he's dpsing
fathom turtle
i asked raid lead, he said thats bc of he is venthyr and the other healer doesnt care for ashen
fathom turtle
they wanna have loggs
fathom turtle
our druids refuse to let him play good ashen because druids want loggs XD
fathom turtle
and complain about bad heal pala 😄
strong forum
just use ashen on pull for max damage, and then in last phase again
done
literally doesnt affect healing at ALL
you dont use ashen for healing on early bosses
fathom turtle
lets see if this works 😄
stray hemlock
Doing 18-2 strat?
fathom turtle
18 2?
fathom turtle
in p2 grp 1-3 left side and 2-4 right side. jumping over chain and other grp via warlock portal
tanks staying on add site
blazing condor
yeah it happens
but its kind of spicy
Whats the difference between numbers/parses in the log itself and the numbers/parses on your overall profile?
i parsed a 95 (96ilvl) on the nine but on my profile its 94
just curious
craggy pilot
ye just never seen the double pull
love it when people wanna do shit ton of spicy shit in a +15
rather than doing 0 mistakes going normal speed
they rather go full speed and do 20 deaths
and then deplete
blazing condor
halls is fun when you got a good route
tough when you dont
because you need to pull big and efficiently to time it
blazing condor
ye just never seen the double pull
Also you're not taking the stairs pack right? better to skip it
craggy pilot
what stairs pack?
blazing condor
then one you have in green
craggy pilot
the other one is if we have no skip
modern brook
is it normal to pull Forsworn Helion on top of Incinerator Arkalath in Spires?
Without question on Tyr weeks, kinda spicy on fort cause it depends on your team being on top of off target kicks
modern brook
Yeah turns out not playing the game is a good way to lose a pull
craggy pilot
druid started doing spicy pulls after it was obvious it was not timed
to try and save it
which just made it even more over time
blazing condor
i mean
craggy pilot
we skipped 2 tormented in a +15...
blazing condor
IF it was not gonna be timed
pulling normally
then why not
but thats hard to judge
you can very easily skip soggodon and ice guy
but i wouldnt expect the average 15 pugger to do it
modern brook
Doing sog/ice in soa is fake tbh
modern brook
"Don't get hit by the thing that one shots you anyways
modern brook
"SMH tank really lost aggro on boss"
atomic shore
Guys where is the sheet which contain the all blockable and reflectanle stuff in raid and dungons ?
rotund thicket
atomic shore
ty
primal cape
we skipped 2 tormented in a +15...
ppl looking at MDI and thinking theyre big boys
craggy pilot
😄
vapid berry
ppl looking at MDI and thinking theyre big boys
skipping 2 tormentors the tank buster and the ice guy the 2 weakest powers isnt even mdi strats >.>
primal cape
prob his fav streamer then 👀
brave jetty
So I was testing out Arms in a key just now
Heyyy Prot Warrior tank gets invited
Oh no he has bladedancer's armor kit
Oh no it's 246 meaning he spent valor on it
He proceeds to pull 3 full groups + 3 groups of non-elites on first pull of NW
Uhh
lmao
primal cape
did he play respawn simulator ?
vapid berry
was he kyrian kleia haha you can do that if you running 8 second dot immunity xdddd
necrotic week is scary but if hes kyrian probably fine. the trinket is sus though
vapid berry
hmm yeah yikes
digital arch
what enchant do i use for weapon?
vapid berry
Lightless force for damage is good otherwise celestial guidance
urban portal
He proceeds to pull 3 full groups + 3 groups of non-elites on first pull of NW
Ambitious
He thinks it's mdi
sturdy sable
He was NF
You can do that pull as NF as well you just gotta AA and soulshape away lol (atleast this week)
potent anvil
Omw to 9k overall. Halls+19 👀
Was hoping to beat the boomie
Imagine if they ran prot warrs in mdi for the damage 
potent anvil
Uh, do they do as much as warr? I know venthyr prot owns, but usually when they have ashen. I dunno about kyrian, probably.
Warr is tankier, so there's that.
If they do, Ive yet to play with one. Would love to see 4 dps on the meters.
sturdy sable
I dunno i always hear pallies do damage but ive never actually seen it happen in the wild
I see alot of pallies go splat tho
potent anvil
Like maybe when they have ashen? But BSC+AM means you have avatar into revenge spam every pull. I do like 15k+ pretty much spamming revenge
Also running seismic reverb
potent anvil
The anima power that gives you damage for standing still pretty much owns 👀
Had decent uptime despite necrotic week. Just standing still tanking almost 50 stacks spamming revenge on some pulls. Next week might be better
real fossil
What anima powers do you take for max dps ook ook prot?
potent anvil
Um, it's mostly the 12% dmg for standing still. That shares the same with stygian barbs, so I pick that one instead. The other dps power is the vers one. I dunno if fifth skull is good.
Only hits 5, does nothing on bosses
Then other anima powers are w/e. I typically take magic dmg reduc over stone ward, since most of the time magic dmg is what hurts more than phys. Especially in halls when wicked bolts can't all be stopped. I haven't tanked keys as much as I've dps, so I could be picking terrible choices. Just going by feeling
I feel like stygian barbs isn't super good. If you kite, it does nothing and generally when you're dps'ing you can afford to stand still. Especially if you're frontloading defensives.
This is my damage breakdown. I did pick up fifth skull just to try it, but since it's so late into the dungeon it gets no value. Even then, it doesn't seem like it would do a lot even if you get earlier.
urban portal
Uh, do they do as much as warr? I know venthyr prot owns, but usually when they ...
Venth prot pally is really bad in m+
But kyrian prot pally does so much in aoe
Because of divine toll giving 5 captain americas
And their st is just solid
Their st is like windwalker lol
empty spindle
Man I’m only pulling like 5-6k a dungeon what are you guys doing that I’m not 😂
potent anvil
I can see kyrian prot pala being strong. Dunno if I would say they're better than prot warr in general. I could be wrong. I do have a prot pala, just not geared.
potent anvil
Man I’m only pulling like 5-6k a dungeon what are you guys doing that I’m not 😂
I'm playing a dps leggo, Seismic Reverberation, not Reprisal. So probably a difference there.
urban portal
Fun fact
I do more damage on execute with my 2h than 1h
So in raid it's optimal for me to swap mid fight
cinder nova
So in raid it's optimal for me to swap mid fight
It isn't.
You lose damage from not being able to generate rage with your biggest spender, Shield Slam plus you can't use Shield Block to get the 30% on top of it.
real fossil
Unless u rage cap then swap then execute then swap back idk…
cinder nova
This is full on 🤡
urban portal
^ this guy knows
i was kidding
i just looked at my tooltips
and realized ones actually higher
i wonder if no spec warrior can tank better than no spec pally
cinder nova
Even if it did more damage, it'd have to do enough that you're dumping it every 3rd or 4th GCD just to swap.
Which would be a massive disparity.
You might be able to justify doing it maybe if you have LS rolling as soon as Execute phase starts, a full rage bar, and wearing Reprisal so you can chargeweave and intervene to keep rage.
ionic fern
Omw to 9k overall. Halls+19 👀
Where do you find these pugs? Most that i get are doing like 7k.
tame jasper
Where do you find these pugs? Most that i get are doing like 7k.<:sadge:82020236...
Was thinking the same 😳
potent anvil
Where do you find these pugs? Most that i get are doing like 7k.<:sadge:82020236...
Group finder 🙂
Wait, Mwahi...you tried whirlwind as prot. Thoughts on merciless bonegrinder?
jagged pier
WW costs more rage and does less damage than revenge and doesnt proc SS either its really not worth pressing it
potent anvil
Yeah, but
merciless bonegrinder
👀
Actually, I never looked up the dpr with the bonus to see if it's worth pressing
urban portal
merciless bonegrinder
I'm pretty sure it doesn't proc on ravager
So you need signet
And it proc bladestorm
potent anvil
It does
urban portal
Interesting cuz we know that ravager doesn't proc signet because of spell Id difference
potent anvil
potent anvil
I just dunno if it's worth trying to get in whirlwinds
urban portal
We love to see it
potent anvil
over just more revenge
You can get in 2 whirlwinds...maybe 3 inside the window if you pool
ionic fern
Wait, Mwahi...you tried whirlwind as prot. Thoughts on merciless bonegrinder? <:...
Doubt it would make up the difference.
potent anvil
Was wondering if it might be giga, just getting 2-3 souped up whirlwinds for big dam
urban portal
its not even that souped up tho
ionic fern
Ngl,threat was ass with ww.
urban portal
deswind whats your tooltip damage for both ww and rev
urban portal
is the 3k during grinder
strong forum
With 9.1.5 it might be worth
ionic fern
It will make it hit a considerable amount but the rest still hits like trash. Also for Ravager i think it lasts for 7s not 9s..(?)
strong forum
Given that they triple bonegrinders dmg and uncap WW
urban portal
im assuming this is live
potent anvil
Oh true
urban portal
during grinder windows
potent anvil
I didn't think about that
urban portal
strong forum
Ya so 240
urban portal
deswind says his is 100% currently
strong forum
- 2x empower
urban portal
so i just took whatever is under 100%
potent anvil
Time to play merciless bonegrinder as prot come 9.1.5 
urban portal
if you get max ilvl bonegrinder
wait whats your bonegrinder without empowered
252?
potent anvil
90%
urban portal
like the ilvl
so yeah its either gonna be 200% or 220%
either way it sounds ok?
not like prot has insane damage conduits
all you are really losing is armor frag
but that also requires you to bind ww
which is cringe
urban portal
i dont see why not tbh
you are so rage capped during ravager+cov ability down
putting a couple out there isnt the end of the world
out of curiousity whats your tooltip thunderclap damage
potent anvil
Depends if you spend it all in revenge. Like I mentioned, definitely can get 2 whirlwinds without too much trouble. Have to pool for a third, but that's like 1 cast of revenge less
potent anvil
Yeah
They nerfed the talent, so tclap is more of like a filler? Unless you're an ethical gamer and don't spam revenge at the cost of shield block/ip.
urban portal
Revenge is actually really hard to press for shitters like me
ionic fern
you are so rage capped during ravager+cov ability down
Yes, you are rage capped during Ravager+Cov but the Mericless Bonegrinder takes effect AFTER Ravager ends.
ionic fern
So you would have to pool for it properly.
ionic fern
Would still be probably worth a try tho.
potent anvil
Whatever does more dam, I'm gonna do it
Only degenerate play here
ionic fern
You gotta mix the two as WW does not apply DW. 😦
And no SS resets either.
ionic fern
Get that Cast sequence macro going.
urban portal
How long does dw last
ionic fern
😂
potent anvil
15s
potent anvil
What my damage breakdown looks right now on 5 dummies. 4 revenges vs 3 whirlwinds. Although revenge had more crits
ionic fern
BSC?
urban portal
I think it changes to revenge on prot
ionic fern
It adds to both.
urban portal
Ic
proven patio
Which content would you do this way? Weekly keys or offtanking raid bosses?
ionic fern
I mean - tooltips..you can test just to be sure. 😂
urban portal
Definitely your chill 15s
potent anvil
I'm gonna change the high key meta for prot warr...one death at a time
potent anvil
Yeah, I wouldn't use ww in ST... I don't think
proven patio
I'm gonna change the high key meta for prot warr...one death at a time <:deswind...
Was about to say. Rip survivability in big pulls with all rage going to revenge and ww
lavish oracle
would bonegrinder even proc off ravager? doesn't proc signet
potent anvil
Just aoe
ionic fern
would bonegrinder even proc off ravager? doesn't proc signet
It does.
The bonegrinder i mean.
lavish oracle
interesting
potent anvil
Was about to say. Rip survivability in big pulls with all rage going to revenge ...
I've done 8.6k overall in a halls+19 just spamming revenge. Can't be that bad in the low 20s
ionic fern
I've done 8.6k overall in a halls+19 just spamming revenge. Can't be that bad in...
I swear your PuG luck is off the charts.
I've seen one DPS doing above 9k.
😂
potent anvil
ionic fern
But yaa - push to 20's and run Seismic. Be a man.
lavish oracle
sometimes I get like one DPS who is carrying the hell out of the key and doing 11k
but usually my pugs do like 8.5k on average
potent anvil
That's the idea. I feel like...if you contribute to the big dam, you just tank less. Just kill stuff before you run out of stuff 🧠
potent anvil
Ever since I took off reprisal, it just feels smoother? Things just die faster lol
ionic fern
Well..tbh Reprisal is not necessary for most people. .especially if they play the class well.
It's just a solid full package providing literally everything we need and really forgiving for new people.
potent anvil
Well..tbh Reprisal is not necessary for most people. .especially if they play th...
Yeah, my thoughts exactly. I'm trying to think where reprisal would have saved me compared to how I normally tank
I guess, like...if you're trying to attempt the giga ardenweald pull, but I wouldn't do that as a warr anyway. That's just a bear thing... 🤔
ionic fern
Screw bears. 😦
blazing condor
😳
ionic fern
God damn Internet.
ionic fern
"true uncapped". 😦
urban portal
Sorry I mean 20
blazing condor
urban portal
Vdh sigil is 20, bear is obv 20, prot pal has consec
potent anvil
Probably
proven patio
Is droar not root dmg like eye beam?
potent anvil
Dragon Roar is sqroot scaling, afaik.
Tooltip says it deals reduced damage to secondary targets. Not specifically when, but I guess past the first?
strong forum
Past the first
Dragon roar instantly sucks dick if there is more than 1 target
Loses 30% dmg on the 2nd target
Does only 2x its original dmg once it hits 5 or some shit
potent anvil
I remember when fury Dragon Roar was doing big dam during beta...then they added the scaling to it.
strong forum
Vdh sigil is 20, bear is obv 20, prot pal has consec
Aswell as spb and immo aura
Elysian decree is softcapped to 5 like spear
But pwar is the only tank that is entirely soft capped from the get go afaik
potent anvil
Prot warr owns
proven patio
Thunder Clap should be uncapped. It has a cd and generates 5 rage.
Btw. Imagine we get that anima power where shieldslam does a whirlwind as raidset.
Dmg would blast
potent anvil
True
proven patio
Im always having a blast when i get that power. Legit on every spec. Makes aoe a lot more enjoyable.
urban portal
Aswell as spb and immo aura
heroic leap dude
wyd
big uncapped
bounding stride
so much ucnapped aoe
orchid frigate
how do you get the most value out of the first spear in NW? just using it on boss solo feels like a waste
ionic fern
Pull stuff on boss and use it then? 👀
orchid frigate
do i have to line up the mobs so it goes through them or how does it work?
tame jasper
I use it on 2nd Boss together with BL 🤷♂️
orchid frigate
thinking that i could take first boss up on the ledge and throw the spear through him into the big trash pack standing up there if i target the one mob that is furthest away
orchid frigate
no
it hits everything it goes through i think
"Bloody Javelin - Throws a Kyrian javelin at the target, inflicting Physical damage to all enemies it passes through and additional Physical damage every 2 sec for 16 sec. Enemies hit take 20% increased damage for 16 sec."
ionic fern
It's awfully tricky to hit it tho. 😂
ionic fern
I usually just pull all the tiny patrols on top of boss. 😦
subtle tulip
You just need the person with the spear to position themselve behind the last harvestor. Usually lines up quite nicely then.
ionic fern
In a pug i would say no.
😂
I mean..you can try it by all means but it's iffy - especially if you don't have the spear.
craggy pilot
i sometimes see people pull with the spear, and then it doesnt apply the 20% dmg increase on the boss?
ionic fern
i sometimes see people pull with the spear, and then it doesnt apply the 20% dmg...
We're talking about NW spears, not SoA.
ionic fern
Oh, sorry. 😂
strong forum
It has a target cap
craggy pilot
saw someone pick up the spear after blight pack on right hand side
then hit just 1 guy in 3rd pack
and it didnt get the debuff
thought maybe because the debuff disappears when the mob is not in combat or something odd like that
carmine imp
Has anyone tried using the UNHOLY shard set over the BLOOD shard set, and what do you think ?
carmine imp
thanks
ancient heron
anyone have any suggestions on how to deal with the torghast torment that spawns the spinning orbs when an elite is engaged ? Especially with the elite that locks u down. I used pummel, shockwave, leap, berserker and eventually run out of things to get out of range since the orbs spawn where i am at, and basically die to them hitting me 😦
trail brook
Has anyone tried using the UNHOLY shard set over the BLOOD shard set, and what d...
Is blood set rank 1 better than unholy rank 4?
ionic fern
Is blood set rank 1 better than unholy rank 4?
Sim yourself. 🙂
trail brook
Can i sim healing?
strong forum
anyone have any suggestions on how to deal with the torghast torment that spawns...
Spinning orbs?
ancient heron
Spinning orbs?
yeah.. called doom conduits or something.. blue orbs that spin and if it hits you .. u take a chunk of damage .. for casters .. i basically kite and los them out .. but this one guy .. pretty much i run out of options to break the root
modern brook
Spinning orbs?
The arcane affix from Diablo
strong forum
The arcane affix from Diablo
Ah that one! Yeah that sucked massive dick
But just have to stutter step
ancient heron
But just have to stutter step
sigh .. yeah i suppose.. just sucks .. get rooted and left just taking damage with no way out kinda sucks 😦
ionic fern
Can i sim healing?
No. Your survivability is like 99% proper play.
ionic fern
sigh .. yeah i suppose.. just sucks .. get rooted and left just taking damage wi...
There's a really easy solution to this that i use.
Don't play Torghast.
ancient heron
There's a really easy solution to this that i use.
Don't play Torghast.
lol .. i want to ... but now farming cinders for arms as an offspec .. so back to grinding cinders
modern brook
lol .. i want to ... but now farming cinders for arms as an offspec .. so back t...
Consider not playing offspecs :)
modern brook
I literally can't afford to max a leggo
ionic fern
I'm rocking 210 Reprisal and everything else is 190.
modern brook
That's my tc
ionic fern
And i can't bring myself to try and max them more.
modern brook
210 lfg
halcyon shard
analyzing leaderboard to find 210 reprisal characters 🤖
strong forum
sigh .. yeah i suppose.. just sucks .. get rooted and left just taking damage wi...
You can just run out of the "lock down" cast
Besides just kicking it
I don't know what else could be rooting you, the shackles casts are annoying but there shouldn't be too many of that
ancient heron
I don't know what else could be rooting you, the shackles casts are annoying but...
most of the shackles can pummel out of .. this guy just seems to cast them faster than i can get interrupts .. but its fine i guess.. i'll just have to live with it .. was wondering if there was a better way to deal with it.. pally doesn't have as many issues coz freedom and throw shield if i need a ranged interrupt
median tulip
I feel bad now.
The only reason I have mine maxed is I was so bored towards the end of season 1 I maxed out Blacksmithing and Jewelcrafting, and have max Capes on an alt
median tulip
most of the shackles can pummel out of .. this guy just seems to cast them faste...
Remember you can use Intimidating Shout as a ghetto interrupt
strong forum
I kinda enjoy 9.1 torghast
Gives me good reason to slap on my pumper playlist and go ham
ancient heron
Remember you can use Intimidating Shout as a ghetto interrupt
yup.. use that too.. its alright .. i'll just live with it i suppose 🙂 .. thanks for the tips though
ionic fern
I don't even have to watch it to say: No. 😂
But that's just me - i despise such content/obligations.
It was the same with BFA islands. 😦
blazing condor
Islands couldve been kewl if they didnt make your race against the clock
Took out all the quests/exploration you could do for mounts n shit
plush tendon
I thought when we got our own ship and went to Islands n shit, that we'd actually have our own ship
modern brook
Islands couldve been kewl if they didnt make your race against the clock
They needed to commit in a directioj
plush tendon
Kind of lame it was just a que time in.... could of been like the Pirates Assassin Creed or something where we traveled around the ocean
modern brook
Islands being a magetoweresque thing would been cool
plush tendon
and had to get to the island that it was that week
modern brook
Iunno we don't even like vehicle dance mechanics
plush tendon
I wanted my own ship ok!
modern brook
Gettingnto the island would just been a glorified "get the turtle to the treasure"
modern brook
I wanted my own ship ok!
Hope you went to blizzcon 😏
plush tendon
and I wanted to fight on the high seas like a pirate!
'que in Pirates of the Caribbean music'
no reason it couldnt have been full throttle pirate themed with like Freehold n shit. Hell even Zandalar fits into that theme
modern brook
Zzz
plush tendon
Enter Bolstering Explosive
ionic fern
Do we know what the new week is?
wild hemlock
we are due for a bolster week
ionic fern
Okay, so another pass.
wild hemlock
i dont think anyone knows what itll be this week
plush tendon
wild hemlock
but i think first week of s2 was bolster
plush tendon
yea, but weeks 1 and 2 are pretty decent
buoyant basin
Aren't you invincible already as a protwarr? I haven't had any problems in 21s (haven't been pushing). Only dungeon I've struggled with is SD first pull with 3packs and 2nd cage pull on right side at 2nd boss area*. With Kleia I haven't really noticed necrotic that much
wild hemlock
me NF boy
ionic fern
Necrotic itself is not the issue. It's the PuG atmosphere and the incompetency of your average pug that make it horrible.
plush tendon
Necrotic is a very unfun affix for tanks, but by no means is it unplayable
Like, if I tiered the affixes, it would be like in the top 5 of least desirable, but for sure aint in the top 3
buoyant basin
Necrotic tests you as a strategist. Just charging in with 100% uptime on shieldblock and stand there for 30 sec doesn't really make you a good tank.
ionic fern
It doesn't test you as anything outside of "Am i smart enough to kite once i have to?"
It's just horrible to play around when your DPS'ers are doing suboptimal DPS and don't use their utility tools to help you kite.
plush tendon
buoyant basin
In legion you learned to rely on a warlock, in BFA and SL you learn to rely on yourself above all.
plush tendon
This would be my tier list, with a great distribution 🙂
strong forum
I would put both fort and tyr in the F list
plush tendon
yea, I thought about putting them lower
Fort by itself aint terrible, but with affixes like raging it can really suck
buoyant basin
Ofcourse it test you. Either you can run backwards like a noobtank until stacks drop or you can kite like a god within your partymembers AoE.
ionic fern
Ofcourse it test you. Either you can run backwards like a noobtank until stacks ...
"It's just horrible to play around when your DPS'ers are doing suboptimal DPS and don't use their utility tools to help you kite."
buoyant basin
Then you are bad at kiting
plush tendon
yea, lets not kid ourselves here; necrotic can be played around. It just aint fun
and that is the general consensus of the community as well. It just aint worth it
Theyd rather suffer in league solo que then play more then the minimum this week
strong forum
In legion you learned to rely on a warlock, in BFA and SL you learn to rely on y...
The other way around
ionic fern
Idk, i'm still confused about the "Necrotic tests you" part.
What does it test? If you're smart enough to kite when you need to? 😂
buoyant basin
Did u do 15s in legion?
strong forum
In SL you rely on your healer and your dps
plush tendon
change to Necrotic to make it fun! remove the healing debuff part and just make it a stacking dot 😄
strong forum
You didn't even need a healer in 15s in legion
Most tanks didn't need healers period
They could live pulls themselves with ease
Even in 25s
You kited because your dps and healers would die if you didn't
buoyant basin
I dno how you managed to keep all mobs at 70% slow in HoA 27+
buoyant basin
You did it because you had a warlock, period.
strong forum
Right
tame jasper
Idk, i'm still confused about the "Necrotic tests you" part.
What does it test? ...
Tests if your grp knows how to use slow/stun cds 🙊
vocal geode
I started tanking 15+ for the first time this week
Kinda regret it
Not a single slow/stun was used
tame jasper
Welcome to the World of Pugs
vocal geode
I started just spearing and heroic leaping out
But some packs really stack up those necrotic stacks fast
So those 30 stacks you just cleared were slapped back on after like 1-2s
wild hemlock
1-2 secs is a bit exagerated
wild hemlock
yeah those actually suck real bad. with the poison or whatever they give also
strong forum
The dot is an easy reflect but they have insane atk speed
wild hemlock
double first pull in mists with jumpers
halcyon shard
big cringe energy
ionic fern
Spear + phial + actual dps players
8 out of 10 times i've failed it because:
1)Someone fails a interrupt
2)Someone gets coccooned and not freed
3)No dispells
4)Low as heck damage
It's amazing how in one key you barely have to use any CD's on that pull while in another key of the same level/dungeon you blow through everything and still barely live.
