protection

[blazing condor]

Mega dots

Do yall think pelagos was hot before his transition

[plush tendon]

Prot War: Venthyr Fury, NF Fury, Kyrian Arms, Necro Arms group

can we make this happen?

[modern brook]

1. zzzz take 2) he's hot now

[blazing condor]

We have the technology

[plush tendon]

find a nice mist key and get this bread bois!

[sick sentinel]

there is something about a warlock necrolord shoots a giant cloud of dots at enemies, but its not very good damage, or nobody has taken time to break the skill

[blazing condor]

Blizzard designed it so hard no one can play it

[sick sentinel]

im sure its somehow supremley busted in aoe

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=321792/impending-catastrophe

this one, i tried it very briefly when in the beta

[plush tendon]

According to my lock friends, the Cov abilities are so underwhelming that you just go NF for Soulbinds and Soulshape

[sick sentinel]

nf has one that you never need to repair weapon

doesn't help anything

[plush tendon]

yea, but Necro has kidney hearth

[orchid frigate]

wee gonna do torghast on druid. one of the more boring classes in torghast imho

[sick sentinel]

i am 100% going both venth and necro whenever i can

because sheild mogs and other

[modern brook]

its damage is just absurdly low compared to soul rot

[orchid frigate]

more fun going in on monk

[sick sentinel]

at least will have other options

[orchid frigate]

or are the any good powers for guardian i havent noticed?

[strong forum]

Yes

[modern brook]

yeah thats why you dont leave keys

[strong forum]

I've pugged like 10 keys since bfa launch

[modern brook]

lets play a game called "why is ickor over there"

[strong forum]

And atleast 4 of those someone left because the healer couldn't keep himself alive against fixate attacks or couldn't heal grievous

[distant crystal]

cause you ran past the first 2 mobs without killing them

so they become a valid place for him to tornado-blink

[modern brook]

wrong

Because the DK was slow and gripped one to him and then didnt kill it

[distant crystal]

aka right

[strong forum]

Genius

[distant crystal]

you ran past them: check

you didn't kill them: check

[modern brook]

no waat

the gripped from the pull

[distant crystal]

i don't need your extra flourishes

[modern brook]

ie: the boss room

[plush tendon]

we learned this when we tried to skip them on a 20; just kill those two goons

[modern brook]

smh

[plush tendon]

its buggy, not really sure how it works and why he decides to go there if you pull those two goons into that room

[strong forum]

He ports to those type of mobs

[plush tendon]

[strong forum]

That's it

That's the explanation why

If the mobs are alive, he can rng to port there

[plush tendon]

yea, but it looks like nothing was there

[modern brook]

the port just goes to the furthest one

its rng cause the other packs are eqiudistant 🤷‍♀️

[strong forum]

Your mum is equidistant

[modern brook]

unless you decide to typhoon and grip something into narnia and then leave it for starfall to kill

[strong forum]

I wouldn't invite a boomkin to my pug

[median tulip]

Ewww, PUGging

Who even does that?

[strong forum]

Too many

[median tulip]

I just do guild runs; always best to help guildies gear up

[plush tendon]

sometimes you gotta pug

you can be home at 2pm, you did all your dailies, staring at your toon running around oribos and your like 'damn, i want to do a key, but no one is on'

[strong forum]

That's where I log off

Before the dailies even

Cuz I rather do no key, than a key with bad people I don't know or who will leave cuz they have no idea how to judge m+ or stick it through

[plush tendon]

15s are easy enough you can drag some corpses through

think of it like community service

and clock your hours spent helping random people get their 15s done

[blazing condor]

"Ickor I'm pregnant and you're the father"
Ickor:

[modern brook]

IDK the idea that some guy with the name "Bileflesh" ever a)convinced a girl to sleep with him and b) name the child "Ickor" gives me hope that i wont die alone 😦

[strong forum]

Pugs don't know that

[blazing condor]

theyre just dogs

hahaha im so funny

[floral void]

hey Haste => Verse is still my prefered stats right ?

i think i might have gone overboard since im sitting at 30% w/o any buffs and w/o the Old Warrior's Soul stacked should i regem/enchant verse or smt else (verse is only at 12%)

[modern brook]

you havent gone overboard

there are no break points

haste is always good

[floral void]

wasnt there deminishing returns ?

[modern brook]

sure

haste is always good

and there are no break points

even with drs

[floral void]

aight so i keep everything gem-ed / enchanted for haste

[modern brook]

pretty much

if u ever get one shot by a mechanic thats when you can start considering moving things over

[floral void]

I've been struggling in m+ this week (not too high around 21-22)

[modern brook]

specifically non-avoidable mechanics

there isnt much to this week besdies have dps play the game

commit your cooldowns to packs

and walk (leap) away when you're threatened

[floral void]

ok one last questions for raids if thats appropriate

[modern brook]

you can ask as many qs as you want

with out them we devolve into shit conversation

[median tulip]

I go do Torghast, or an Assault, or hang out in Korthia waiting for rares to pop

[plush tendon]

[modern brook]

[floral void]

i was wondering if i should stick to kyrian, I've not had problems surviving there at all so I'm trying to optimize my dmg should i stay Kyrian or go fae and craft the lego. Also in terms of conduits for my second potency do i go show of force or ashen juggernaut or smt else entirely ?

[modern brook]

if you want to go fae cause you want to go fae go wild

dont swap covs for an expected throughput increase

cause you will be disapointed

[plush tendon]

^ this 100%

[modern brook]

night fae is slightly ahead

but its not enough to give a shit

[median tulip]

Versatility isn't even that important; it's roughly the same value as Crit and Mastery

[strong forum]

Pain

[modern brook]

For raids I'd expecct Ashen to be better than SoF

but I also expect no Potency to be better than SoF

[floral void]

got it so i just need to play better since my i haven't been able to increase my logs much in the last few reclears

[plush tendon]

If this is raid, and you REALLY want to maximize damage, NF and Kyrian are close and Ashen is de way for ST

I will say, Kyrian takes the nod for some pad damage on Soulrender though

with Owl bro

shits dumb

[floral void]

Is there a channel where i can ask ppl to have a look at my logs if some1 is willing to mb tell me what im doing wrong

[modern brook]

yeah this one

u can also post in log review and maybe someonew il actually check there

but this one is fine

[plush tendon]

<- we may be clowns, but some of us are susforged clowns with a degree from skyhold university

[median tulip]

Adaptive Armour Fragment is the second best Potency IMO

[floral void]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/silvermoon/neswar

thanks a lot for the help btw I hope I'm not overstepping

[modern brook]

you're not

thats what these channels are for

[median tulip]

The whole point of this place is to ask and answer questions. Without it we devolve into bad takes about M+ & bitching about bad PUGs

[modern brook]

from a macro perspective everything looks fine tbh - obviously finish ranking your blood to 5 will be a big get.

[plush tendon]

Im confused by Kleia soulbind and ageis

[floral void]

yea i rolled warr since my guild needed the buff a bit late so I'm like 20 away from having it max ranked

[modern brook]

oh i didnt get to soulbinds yet 😬

[floral void]

i tried kleia once to see how it works 😄

[modern brook]

just use mikey

[floral void]

since it simmed highest for some reason on pure st

[median tulip]

Mikanikos is your general use Soulbind. You can use Pelagos for some things, but you can just stick with Mika for everything.

[plush tendon]

can be a sim trap; Valient strikes will proc once someone gets below 50% health (which in raid is frequent) Owl bro is just better for pure damage

[median tulip]

Kleia is for Fury, IMO

[floral void]

I'll stick to mechanicos then thx but even before i couldn't really push my dmg too much

[modern brook]

i mean as far as longs ive read this is a pretty clean one

59 cpm, low rage waste, actually using sw

[median tulip]

The important thing with Mikanikos is that his capstone trait is amazing for abusing Spear for chunky damage.

[modern brook]

Especially with ashen, moving your 2nd cast into execute phase will be a large damage gain cause of the rage get from focus

[floral void]

yea I've been trying to do that but sometimes I feel compelled to use it for defence

trying to balance rage spend between IP and Revenge

i think that might be my biggest flaw

[modern brook]

So that is specifically from the Eye

so it gets a pass from me

but honestly all of these do

Usually when people ask for log review its cause they're dying

you're looking to eek out an extra 4-5 percentile parse

[plush tendon]

yea, everything looks to be good tbh

[modern brook]

which im signficantly less qualified to do

so im like

REALLY nitpicking small dps gains here

[plush tendon]

slap on a trinket that does damage over the aegis and youll get a bit more dps gain

[floral void]

i also have a phial ?

mb i can use that

[modern brook]

use phial over shard

[plush tendon]

Phial really good for damage

[modern brook]

if you're looking for damage

[median tulip]

In M+ it's rarely worth re-applying IP; as long as your weakaura is showing you that you still have IP (& it's not about to run out), you might as well Revenj

[modern brook]

the trick to this is understanding what IP actually does for you

[floral void]

I actually don't exactly kn the downsides of reapplying IP if i have one running alrdy

I mean if the value is low ofc

[modern brook]

so IP stacks to 1.3x its total value

so if you have a ip of 100, and recast at full, it'll go to 130

[floral void]

oh ok i see

[median tulip]

Ignore Pain has a cap on the absorb at 2*your health

[modern brook]

^

[grave crane]

Doesn’t IP also use verse or am I dumb?

[modern brook]

IP scales off Attack power

which is calculated with verse in mind

and is a major reason we say just take an ilvl weapon when you can

[plush tendon]

so yes, vers adds to its power

[median tulip]

Also scales with Mastery, as Mastery gives AP

[modern brook]

^

[grave crane]

Ok thanks I thought it was just off verse

[median tulip]

252 Worm Smasher /flex

[modern brook]

:pog:

my nitro :^(

[modern brook]

anyways; the point i was getting at is that the defensive value of IP is very low from a Value : Rage pov

[floral void]

ok so for dmg i just use phial and try to ignore using IP except when I'm about to cap rage for Anger management

[modern brook]

its benefits are that its off the GCD and deals with damage we cant block

ie: dots and like the AA equivlent for the eye

this is a round about way of saying

"a good 90% of your intentional rage usage can be put towards revenge and you wont notice anything defensively lacking"

just keeping ip up through the rage you would cap with

[floral void]

so to recap in case i missed smt. If i use IP while i have one i get 30% of the value and the cap on the shield is 2x my hp pool

[median tulip]

You can actually Weakaura track the value

[floral void]

I have it as a part of my WA but I've not been paying too much attention to it

[modern brook]

the maximum shield is 1.3x the size of your tooltip # of IP

[floral void]

I was looking at my healing logs and it seemed fine

[modern brook]

this is correct

IP is not something we play around anymore

[median tulip]

I'm sure it's 2* - they changed it at the start of SL. It was 1.3 in BfA

[modern brook]

This might also be correct :/

in which case ignore all the 30% things

[median tulip]

Sorry, I typos earlier. 2*AP

Not HP

[modern brook]

Honestly what it stacks to is irrelevent

[median tulip]

Attack Power

[modern brook]

if you're ever ip->ip you're in a WEIRD scenario, especially with the intent of doing as much damage as possible

[floral void]

yea the cap seems to not be important it seems that i just need to make sure not to recast it until it expires

expires or is consumed sry

outside ofc to prevent rage cap

[modern brook]

^ yeah i was just typing that

its most important role is to keep AM flowing

[median tulip]

The only time you really pump IP is if you know you're about to get smacked by a magic damage tank-chunker that you can't interrupt or spell reflect

Which is (or should be) pretty damn rare

[modern brook]

and honestly at thatpoint just learn the fight patterns so you have a cd for it

we have like 12

[floral void]

yea so far in the raids I've not had troubles surviving

currently working on painsmith

[modern brook]

yeah i want to stress that

Your logs are very clean

[floral void]

the eye intermission is a bit sketchy but thats about it 😄

[median tulip]

Most Raid Bosses are not about the tank; they're usually about the DPS

[modern brook]

to the point where getting those orange parses will require shorter fights or game-ier strats

[floral void]

ok so I can hold my head high and say I'm a passable prot warr 😄

[modern brook]

you've gota better track record than me 🤷‍♀️

[median tulip]

And when they are about the tank they are mostly about positioning, not raw survivability

[plush tendon]

Purple Parsing tanks is a . You pressing your buttons right and playing properly

[floral void]

I was a dps before so maybe I'm caring too much about the logs It's just a habit

[grave crane]

Same honestly

[floral void]

As for the tanking bit mb i can ask my melee/rl if they want smt changed in terms of positioning

[modern brook]

one of the habits i try t drive away from new tanks is the idea that damage doesnt matter. If you're not dying you're right to be trying to milk as much damage as possible

[floral void]

Well I'm not new to tanking but I started as exclusively m+ tank in pugs (cause it's easier to get into groups)

and it feels like raidtanking is a step down in terms of difficulty

[median tulip]

Raid Tanking is a different kettle of fish entirely

[marsh aurora]

how is ignore pain affected by necrotic ?

it doesn't bypass right ?

[floral void]

oh yea I dunno if the shield value gets affected by it

[marsh aurora]

cause on guardian drood, ufr bypasses it, but i'm too lazy to kite 24/7 this week on my prot

[plush tendon]

IP is affected by necrotic

[mellow bridge]

Ufr ignores it because it's based on damage dealt

Same for the pally absorb from avengers shield they get

[marsh aurora]

well

[mellow bridge]

"normal" absorbs are reduced

[marsh aurora]

terrible week it is then

[plush tendon]

at least it aint bolstering

[median tulip]

My guild has unanimously decided that it's a good week to push for Adamant Vault clears for those upgrades

[strong forum]

You can only get 1 upgrade per week

[obtuse monolith]

I’ve felt the same before but there’s ways it’s spiced up a bit this tier.
How much can I soak on Tarra?
How much Deathlink can I mitigate?
How many orbs can I line up in one Suffering?
How do I live through Heartseeker?
Souls minigame on KT.

Others though, yeah, it can feel like just sitting there doing simple taunt swaps and waiting for boss to die.

[strong forum]

Sounds good to me

[grave crane]

Do we SR on heartseeker? I’ve been using SR in wailing arrow but heartseeker is hitting like a truck on heroic

[strong forum]

Shieldwall + block + Sr

Throw in a demo shout if you feel fancy

[grave crane]

Ok I will try that out I’ve been using demo and SB and it definitely hits hard af

[strong forum]

Heartseeker is the only dangerous thing on sylv

Rest is just dot

[obtuse monolith]

Aegis on Heartseeker too since it’s several separate hits

[strong forum]

^

[rotund thicket]

SR deflects one tick but not the dot, you should Use it there

[grave crane]

Gotta get aegis first. I’m still using the weapon amplifier and anima field right now

[grizzled forge]

does bop work as an immunity for guardian soaking if a paladin bops someone who otherwise wouldnt have an immunity?

may be dumb question just curious

[elfin nova]

He won't target you whilst you're bopped

So yes you can immune the physical portion of oblit, or a sunder, but you can't make the full combo go on you whilst bopped

Wait you mean the immune soakers i guess

No

The soak they do is magical

[grizzled forge]

no not me

just if the paladin bopped say a monk

[strong forum]

Bop works only against sunder, not obliterate

[grizzled forge]

as an immunity

gotcha

[strong forum]

So he'd have to spellward instead

[grizzled forge]

what do you think on this Nomera we have two arcane mages 2 hunters 2 paladins 1 rogue 1 DH does it seem to line up

Hunter hunter DH

rogue mage paladin

hunter mage paladin

hunter dh rogue

[strong forum]

Idk if turtle works

Since its not an immunity perse

[grizzled forge]

oh look like they were using them in some videos i could be wrong though

[strong forum]

Idk

I haven't done mythic

[grizzled forge]

oh ok

[strong forum]

So I'm not set on proper setups or how many you need

But there are certain mechanics hunters can't do with turtle

[grizzled forge]

ya looks like 4 sets even from stankie guide the immunity rotation they have his hunter hunter mage at the start and they just turtle

but idk if they are getting anything else there aswell so not for sure

[strong forum]

The first group of soaks can immune the last set of soaks I imagine

Cuz 3mins should have defo passed

[fiery dawn]

guys What is the difference Between SKULLFLAME SHIELD , The fel barrier.?

[strong forum]

One is from classic

The other one idk

[bright flax]

I screenshotted a helpful line of tips from HoW discord yday for future reference in mythic

will dm you that not to spam this

[shut summit]

Oblit is both physical and magic, bop works on physical portion, like as a tank you can get bopped

We haven't tried bopping anyone else to help soak tho

[grizzled forge]

ya i mean we can always do the traditonal just split group i was just curious cause we have 2 hunters 2 paladins 2 mages 1 rogue 1 dh, the mages are arcane so only one ice block each and the 2 tanks are warrior brew

and it looks like you want 3 immunites with the tanks on each set

so you could do like 2 mage 1 rogue for first, dh hunter paladin for second, rogue hunter paladin for 3rd, then the last would have to be split group if timings are correct because the mage ice block would be back up but the rest would not

[shut summit]

make one of em go frost

[grizzled forge]

ya i prolly will

was tryin to avoid it if i could so i didnt have to hear the whining but prolly will

[dark lark]

How many immunes per soak do you need?

You're trying to divide 220k by 3 right

[shut summit]

you need 3 + tank minimum

[dark lark]

And probably wall

[shut summit]

mechanic changes in mythic to need at least that

[half scarab]

Hey, can someone give me a quick rundown for Anger Managenemt vs. Heavy Reprecussions for raiding? I see alot of good players taking either with different leggos and covenants. Is it a preference thing?

[bright flax]

HR gives you a tiny bit of ST dps and higher SB uptime
AM gives you more rounded dmg, more SW, more Avatar and is overall the best choice
🤷‍♂️

[rigid tendon]

Any chance of ancient aftershock getting uncapped in 9.1.5?

[jagged pier]

HR give a tiny bit more in perfect scenario it sims within the margin of error

its not about damage

its just about the uptime

[jagged pier]

no

[rigid tendon]

Weak. 😦

[jagged pier]

the only thing getting uncapped it WW

we dont use that

[half scarab]

@bright flax @jagged pier Alright, cheers. I think I'll go for AM then, first time raid tanking this tier so I wanna play it safe. Thanks for the replys!

[rigid tendon]

Yeah I was hoping that AS was just being overlooked at 5 targets and maybe had reduced damage stun affect coming

[jagged pier]

the more defensive talent in raid on block fights is HR for sure

but its a bit over kill

[blazing condor]

isnt ravager gettin uncapped?

or maybe it aint capped

idek

[jagged pier]

maybe but thats doesnt really change anything wont give more rage

just do slightly more damage

[rigid tendon]

Rav, BS, ww, I was hoping for an AS reduced affect beyond 5

[jagged pier]

well that would just make AA broken

completely

[strong forum]

Yeah

If they uncapped AA it would be the absolute omega pick and literally destroy m+

[blazing condor]

so?

[jagged pier]

it would probably mean prot nerfs instead of AA nerfs tbh

[rigid tendon]

A man can dream

[jagged pier]

knowing bliz

or they would just insta kill AA

[bright flax]

So weird the power of the ancients would be capped at 5 lorewise

[strong forum]

Ye, the tuning of those spells is still TBA

In a future ptr build

There will be something

[rigid tendon]

Idk reduced affect.. lower damage and maybe a lower damage per the norm. Remove the rage gen after 5 and maybe do a brief knockdown every 4 sec.

[bright flax]

I hope, that with being able to switch covenants they throw away their idea of balance and just make them powerful in their own niches

[rigid tendon]

Slight nerf if pull is under 5 targets, but huge buff if pull is above. Ima go back to my thoughts now. Cheers gents

[plush tendon]

uncap AA 😄

reduce damage beyond 5

[bright flax]

Just turn the banner into a mini bloodlust for party
Uncap AA
Add some stacking dot effect to condemn
Idk about spear, slow mobs after the effect is gone maybe

[grave crane]

Does HR affect reprisals SB? Or is it just not a good talent at all?

[mental scarab]

We super tonky with that

[violet violet]

Necrotic reduces absorbs right? So scale and IP are directly affected right?

[sick sentinel]

well, an asborb shield isn't a heal, pretty sure at least

[median tulip]

Yes, Necrotic reduces Ignore Pain. IDK about Scale

[bright flax]

Yes, reprisal's SB is the same as your baseline SB

[sick sentinel]

i'm thinking about running this weeks keys with this

[modern brook]

How'd you manage to be wrong 4 times in the same pixture?

[median tulip]

I'm pretty certain that Valiant Strikes is still reduced by Necrotic

[modern brook]

1. don't go kliea 2) if you are going kleia, take pointed courage it's the only thing keeping it remotely close to mikey

I'll find 2 other things if you give me enough time but I just hit a number key tbh

[median tulip]

I assume the point of going Kleia is Ascendant Phial?

[sick sentinel]

my normal is

this one never changes and is the default

[modern brook]

Sure but unless you have a very specific use case for it it's going to be wasted

Play Mikey

[median tulip]

I would nominate "using SoF instead of AAF" as number 3

[modern brook]

Yeah fuck sof >:(

[lyric relic]

i mean kleia is fine for necrotic

mikky more dam, just depends on what you want

[lyric relic]

tryna get ur weeklies done or tryna slam

[modern brook]

She does jack all for necrotic in 90% of your dungeons

[sick sentinel]

i never ever play with this one, but this is how this one is set

[modern brook]

More accurately

If you're getting value out of kleia

You're not asking if the soulbind tree is good for the week

[sick sentinel]

i just want the immunity for mechanic is all

[modern brook]

Because you know exactly where and why you need 8 seconds of immunity to necrotic

[lyric relic]

yeah it's fine to run it for this week

[sick sentinel]

8 seconds of not dealing with mechanics is nice too

[jagged pier]

u really dont need that

[lyric relic]

yeah, you don't NEED it, but it is fine to run this week

i've tried it in 22+, i know pika was running it this week in 24/25s

so it is a consideration for this week, i'm not arguing for whats bis

im just saying it is something thats fine to consider

[median tulip]

8s once every 3 minutes is not exactly a game-changer

[lyric relic]

ya mik definitely bis

[median tulip]

In ToP, is Xav's dance 8s long?

[modern brook]

the dodge stuff part?

[median tulip]

Yeah

[modern brook]

i never timed it out

I'd say somewhere closer to 10s

[median tulip]

long enough to drop stacks

[modern brook]

yeah but i mean

you wouldnt be taking kleia to drop stacks on a boss

like her usecase wrt to necrotic is sepcifically

[median tulip]

Nono, I'm not asking wioth reference to the Kleia conversation

It was just a general query

[modern brook]

"this is a stupid dangerous pull that will not die before i run out of cds, and i need to be healed right after cause of an inability to leave it"

[modern brook]

ahh

Yes you can def drop stacks on his fight

[lyric relic]

btw, was it ever confirmed if glory duration

only applies to caster

[modern brook]

when glory came out it was confirmed as such

I think stuff changed though so idrk

[lyric relic]

yeah i was finding conflicting info

zz aite

[modern brook]

unironically

[lyric relic]

w/e gonna send it on my alt

yolo

[modern brook]

#223972896219856896 might know

[lyric relic]

that's a good point

[modern brook]

more likely to find necro warriors there than anywhere else

[lyric relic]

side note, u heard it here first

play dragon's roar on kt

shhhh

ok now let it get lost in the channels feed

[modern brook]

speaking of @ionic fern does DRoar make Frost set better

or am i misremebmering how droar works

[lyric relic]

oh jesus christ

i hadnt even thought of that LMAO

it made KT prog way more fun playing dragons roar

and keep me from falling asleep

cause i was either giga chad hitting and it was my top damage

or i wasn't critting and it was my lowest

[modern brook]

ok i was misremmbering how it worked

I forgot if it was garunteed crit or 3x crit damage

[lyric relic]

ye if u crit its 3x

ohhh yea

[modern brook]

and based on that it was the lastter yeah

ignore my ping @ionic fern

[lyric relic]

it lines up with every set of undead adds and every set of spikes

i would just drive-by dragons roar on the big ass stack of undead babies while i went to collect my puddles

[median tulip]

Overall I think ToP might be the easiest dungeon this week. Kill Desia first on the first boss and you don't have a problem there. The only really big packs are the leapy bastards, which ironically are usually a problem but this week the leaps just mean less necrotic stacks. The only boss that will be a pain is Gorechop

[safe thistle]

if you have boomy and priest that know how to kock them all back around the same area its not bad we have 2 dk 1 blood 1 frost and it goes well

[sick sentinel]

should i change anything about my current conduits

[median tulip]

Use AAF not SoF

[sick sentinel]

i think bull was saying to use pointed courage

[karmic oyster]

Anybody know if you can leap over Painsmith's balls, if so do you have a reliable way of doing it? I.E two squares from each side point A to point B

[strong forum]

unreliable, not worth the risk

[karmic oyster]

damn, ty

[rancid ember]

Someone posted a clip like a week ago of how to do /w leap I forget who though.

But yeah something like you said 2 squares away, 2 squares behind type a deal

[modern brook]

u just have to jump

#protection message

[blazing condor]

looks like its 2 to 2

[modern brook]

idt the distance matters

u just need to not be on the ground when u leap

[blazing condor]

🤷‍♂️

[modern brook]

in the video linked he waits until theres only 1 square between him and the ball

the guy that did it claimed he was hitting them consistently

but only recorded the one

🤷‍♀️

[blazing condor]

ah meant ball is 2 squares away

but yeah

i wont say anythang i aint tried it

[modern brook]

My :tinfoil: is that every time "does leap work on x" comes up and theres confusion the answer is yes, and you just have to leap in the air

cause it was a point of contention in the mage tower

and on various mechanics in BFA

and now this

CAuse like for example

in torghast

if u just leap over the flame traps

you'll die eat fire damage

but if u jump leap you're fine

it has something to do with how the game stores your state in the leap

But I've kissed a girl before so thats as far as i really understand 🤷‍♀️

[blazing condor]

to wow-savvy to kiss girls

[modern brook]

a respectable sacrifice 😦

[blazing condor]

jk im not even wow-savvy

im just a fucking loser

[sweet summit]

[modern brook]

[primal cape]

do you play with ravager on raid guys ?

[blazing condor]

no

ITF / AM

and booming voice

[modern brook]

matrix aegis is bis for keys with phial being an acceptable replacement for matrix

for raiding i think scale + phial is your look? ppl that raid can answer to that

the Wowhead guide has a section on trinkets

it breaks them into tiers that are roughly accurate

[urban portal]

Ows pops off in raids

[blazing condor]

i go ows and phial

works fine enough to get 99 parses

and im not that good

yeah

for mythic sylv id run scale and something else probably

experiment and see what works

[modern brook]

you dont drop combat on sylv ever so ows will also be valuable

its a fuck ton of haste

if you dont find yourself needing double defensive trinkets

[blazing condor]

imagine you actually dropped combat

thatd be weird

[modern brook]

The argument against it is that you likely don't need 2 tank trinkets to stand solid as a tank at this level of gear

But it depends on how your pulls go

[ocean reef]

@normal zinc

[weary lodge]

Looking for some recommendations on trinkets... I have a:
239 Reactive Defense Matrix
246 Old Warrior Soul
246 Phial of Putrefaction
252 Overwhelming Power Crystal

Tanking is my off-spec and I'm doing it just to farm my 15 keys this week because F this week

Currently leaning toward OWS and Matrix based on the M+ ran I just did, a 16 SD

[ocean yoke]

matrix and ows is a very solid combo, lot of damage and hps from matrix

[blazing condor]

ows matrix is a good combo

[weary lodge]

Thanks guys, 2 replies that confirm my first thought is a great start

I should say, this is for M+ only. Guild has plenty of raid tanks and I'm really only interested in tanking in M+ right now

[blazing condor]

yeah

[ocean yoke]

yep still holds true

[blazing condor]

i wouldnt run matrix in raids

youd go ows + phial then probably

[weary lodge]

Thanks. Curious why OPC is so poorly rated for prot. It ends up being something like 9% parry, which I know isn't quite a life saver defensively... is the offensive crit just not enough to make it good? Are our burst windows that bad as prot (I'm normally arms)

[blazing condor]

crit just isnt all that

[ocean yoke]

matrix pretty good in raid too, im usually at 250 dps+ hps with it, no idea where phial sits since i dont have it

or ows, screw you luck

[weary lodge]

lol Yeah luck can be a real bitch... I got lucky and got it on our first H-sylv kill

[ocean yoke]

ive seen most of our melee dps get it so it has to go for me next right

please

[grave crane]

Just trying to get ageis or ows from normal clears

[next burrow]

i dont get frsost shard 3 piece bonous

like why would i use it for

is is reggenning a shield orsmt?

i know unholy is str but

wanted to play arpimd

[sick sentinel]

did shaman healer fall out of favor yet

gotta kick someone from my group if they did

[bright flax]

Not really lol

Weird question

[sick sentinel]

i made a group, and i don't have lust, but i don't really want to kick someone lol

[next burrow]

drums

[sick sentinel]

i thought they nerfed drums to 15% (half from 30%)

[next burrow]

u dont wannt kick him

what key lvl are u doimn

[sick sentinel]

just 8 dos my key

[next burrow]

u dps heal or tank

u dont really need lust for a + 8 comrade

his class might bring sometrhing useful

unfornautely

the game wants u to play a cetain way

[urban portal]

Just needs to pay for drums

If you don't time an 8 it's not because you didn't have lust

[lyric cape]

Is there any sheet that shows value for necro banner?

[strong forum]

should be pinned

https://tinyurl.com/bannersims

[sick sentinel]

the pond room in DOS drives me nuts

i always dread pulling that trash, since there are 2 groups of like 7 that if you aggro 1/2 you aggro the whole thing, and so anxiety really goes up pulling there.

[bright flax]

Kill the hatchling before he cries and the matriarch will leave you alone

[safe thistle]

dont pull any hatchling and youll be fine too

[sick sentinel]

the matriarch also does something nasty too, a heal or enrage or some crap

[bright flax]

Ideally you want to avoid any matriarch. She enrages when you kill an hatchling

[sick sentinel]

i just, didn't pull right, and instead of grabbing 4 at the end of the hallway when you first go in and i got 7 (2 + 2 +3 packs)

the 3 was just, there and i charge and its like, well fuck

then i wasn't sure which others to pull and fucked up% dead key

[bright flax]

Theres a bunch of ways to do ardenweald

[modern brook]

First pull when you enter arden can and should be a triple

If not a quad

[distant crystal]

pull the hatchling AND the matriarch to assert dominance

[blazing condor]

i pull quad

even on necro weeks

[distant crystal]

cry all you want nobody is coming to help

[modern brook]

You go into suggon right after

[bright flax]

Play around with mdt a bit, go alone into a normal version of the dungeon and practice it out
🤷‍♂️

[sick sentinel]

i get alot of anxiety when there too many options, or have to think critically and lucid

[modern brook]

So I'd you pull small cds are getting wasted

[bright flax]

Its not a linear section, you have freedom to think for yourself what you want to do. But better to go there with a practiced plan if it annoys you

[lyric cape]

thanks looked in them couldn't find it probs overlooked it

[rotund thicket]

+20 dos is so hard this week, feels like i need every cd on like every pack D: any tips to make it easier?

[rigid edge]

Which route do you guys usually do on NW now? I did the suggested raider.io one and got called out for it for some reason =/

[modern brook]

Oh no did your route hurt some career green parse mage's feelings?

Fuck em

[rigid edge]

Guy went ballistic on me, lol and as we pulled 1º boss he ninja pulled the whole area and left

[modern brook]

Lmao

That ain't you fam

Just some guy who was never taught to deal with his emotions

[median tulip]

The Tank decides the route. Everyone else gets in line

[modern brook]

There are some really cute routes you can do in nw

Like really xute

But it's a pug

So it's hard to justify a lot of the cuteness

At least I'm hoping that was a pug

[rigid edge]

I don't know, I found his reaction way out of the line, he said "It's a losers route, and for noobs" I just told him if he had issues with the route to contact Dratnos 🤷 rofl

yeah yeah, it was a Pug haha

[bright flax]

Dont overthink it 😆

[modern brook]

Honestly yeah tank sets thr toute

If he doesn't like it he can pull everything and leave

And you all move on

[median tulip]

I pull everything at the entrance, then the pack in front of the miniboss, then the miniboss, then backtrack all the way around the right hand side to the boss. Then across the dias, and pull the two isolated little guys from below the dias too. Then up the stairs, take the first 4 packs and skip past Nar'zudah. Then the two big cleave guys, necromancer, miniboss, and the keep right, over the pillar, necromancer and from there on it's linear

[lunar jackal]

Sadly Tanks encounter these people a lot. Basically ive become a diva. U pull it u tank it. If its clearly an accident then of course I try to save the pull but when some retard pulls for me and its clearly cause he couldnt hold cds for 20 seconds then i just let him enjoy the ripping threat

[bright flax]

Playing with pugs is like going to the cinema
You might get an awesome movie
You might get an asshole who doesnt shut up
You might have brought the asshole who doesnt shutup
But you keep enjoying the movie as you can and move on

[rigid edge]

I just feel bad for the guy key, it was a 16, we just got another dude and did it on 15 with time to spare, so not to bad.
What surprises me is people is seeing how we bleeding players left and right and they still decide to act like entitled fucks, then they wonder why some people straight out refuse to pug

[rigid edge]

I'm gonna try that one next time, Thanks!

[lunar jackal]

If someone is complaining about any route in a freaking 15 then That person needs psychological assistance

[median tulip]

Because you skip Nar'zudah you can have two orbs for the necropolis trash

Oh and my guys coordinate to Spear Stitchflesh and Hammer Nalthor

[rigid edge]

My thoughts exactly, I mean I don't mind if you mention you prefer another route at the end or w/e, that's fine you might even give me some ideas, like Zetakya just did, but being an ass about it 🤷 Oh well, I'll never understand pugs haha it's a lost battle

[median tulip]

I just hate Nar'zudah on Fort weeks

[rigid edge]

Yeah, he can quickly become a problem, if it can be skipped it's great

[median tulip]

You don't even have to do anything fancy, you can just walk past him, but the path is pretty narrow

[rigid edge]

So you don't need Shroud, etc?

[strong forum]

its very easy to fuck up skipping him tho

like stupid easy

[rigid edge]

is it that tight?

[blazing condor]

i just always skip narzudah

then again my highest NW is 21

[strong forum]

ye its tight

[blazing condor]

but its such a free key

[strong forum]

you gotta hop over obstacles

so the chance of accidentally getting bumped to the side is very high

[rigid edge]

I see, not very Pug Friendly I guess?

[strong forum]

not even remotely

[rigid edge]

Aw, I'm kinda forced to pug now, people I used to run with all quit already

[blazing condor]

Just skip it

Its infinitely easier and the timer is not tight in the slightest

[strong forum]

just pull it with orb?

[blazing condor]

I just save orb to pull big upstairs

And use two there

You quad pull start, pull shit to boss, take the 2 patrol packs with boss. Then just kinda W thru the dungeon

Taking goliath orbs

Its a free +2

[distant crystal]

there's the juicy pull outside of dragon boss

where you get gol orbs and pull a ton in uhh...the heel of the L if that makes sense lol

[blazing condor]

Ye

You can very much pull everything there with no problems

[rigid edge]

I'm gonna try the skip see how it goes, nothing to lose I guess, but thanks a lot to you all for the tips and ideas, I really appreciate it ❤️

[river escarp]

In SD, do you have to kill the Javelin miniboss?

[urban portal]

No

[digital arch]

GIVE ME MORE HASTE!!!

[mellow bridge]

What javelin miniboss

Ohh wait

That guy in the room with the yellow mobs?

Have never seen anyone call him. Javelin

You don't have to play him but it's kinda award to skip the room

It gives very good count too

[river escarp]

I thought his name was javelin? I might be wrong haha.

[tired ice]

Close
It's "Javlin"

[distant crystal]

We've skipped it a handful of times

invising past the prior packs and into the little doorway

which tormentor is in that room this week

[sick sentinel]

might have to look if there is a weakaura or add-on or something that automarks based on your mdt route

[distant crystal]

that'd b pretty sweet

[sick sentinel]

I have no idea what the icons mean when they do get automarked just, if that's part of the weak aura that it marks based on route (fairly confident that it's just anything you pull)

[mellow bridge]

Invising the 3 pack before him is not bad

Invising past him to the lantern on the right, extending your buff and then coming back to him is a good idea generally

Skipping him entirely I personally haven't seen yet at all

Maybe it's a thing on necrotic? Kinda doubtful tho

He's generally such good and easy count compared to all the other trash that fucks up you or the group

[modern brook]

Auto markers just assign a mark to things in the pull, the actual mark doesn't mean anything it's so you can I say I have first on square, rogue gets first on moon

Rather than

I have first kick on Goliath oriented closest to the meridian, rogue has first on the on south south east of true north

[distant crystal]

yeah mine just throws marks on things i mouseover

i just swipe the next pack and they all got rando marks

[modern brook]

mine auto marks things im in combat with in instances

actually

tbh

i have noa idea how mine works

its fuckin voodoo

but it does

[true sparrow]

Does Unbreakable Will power affect Raid? or, just the group im in?

[deft hazel]

Im curious how come i see some of the top prot wars use into the fray? Does it just help get more uptime on shield block? Idk how it works tbh

[true sparrow]

As long as 5 targets of any kind are near you, you basically have +10% haste.

[urban portal]

a lot of people swear by ravager but itf is brainless

most keys are ran on ravager

[deft hazel]

yeah i like itf personally and glad that it can technically be used, i dont like ravager much

[dark lark]

It's great for snap aoe agro at the start of pulls while you're charging in, aside from the rage generation of course

[urban portal]

^

spear+rav+revenges with avatar on is a lot of dam

[deft hazel]

Yeah

i noticed on tooltip itf with 5 mobs around me drops shield block from 13->11

[dark lark]

Esp since the radius for ravager is much wider than spear

[deft hazel]

yeah

ill try out both

i like itf tho but idk how great it is

[dark lark]

It's more of a convenience thing for agro, personally

Sometimes I forget to switch off ITF after raid but it's not a big deal

[urban portal]

wtf

is 2% haste really stronger than ravager on st

interesting

[deft hazel]

Anyone have a spell reflection wa that makes a sound/more flashy? The one i found on wagio i didnt really like. Just wanting to get something that will grab my attention

[lofty widget]

well it also works for allies, so in a raid situation youll almost always have 5 stacks

[urban portal]

oh wait

i didnt realize

so i might as well say 10% haste always

[novel lotus]

Heroic OWS worth using in m+? Currently using 249 scale and phial

[ocean yoke]

ows slap

i dont know the exact numbers, you may need to sim it, but ows is a ton of damage overall

[short kiln]

we did it boys

[halcyon shard]

hey thats not a prot warrior

[short kiln]

I am a PW main. Played arms for dps for the last 16 SD

[halcyon shard]

i see the polearm

fair

big grats

[short kiln]

thanks!

[obtuse monolith]

Yeah assuming stacks don’t drop it’s my highest simming damage trinket as prot. 233 OWS + 242 OPC 1% ahead of 233 OWS 226 Matrix. I don’t have Phial or Sack tho.

Super strong in multitarget sim too.

[strong forum]

ITF is a rage and dmgloss in m+, so the people playing it are mostly going for "im lazy"

NOT A BIG DIFFERENCE

but generally not recommended

[median tulip]

Personally I like having Ravager as an additional threat tool.

[jagged pier]

[urban portal]

If you think about it, and play enough mental gymnastics, you can pretend that the rage gain from ravager only feeds into revenge so it provides no defensive benefit

[jagged pier]

thats is defensive value tho

mobs cant kill u if they are dead

[urban portal]

If you play even more mental gymnastics

You can pretend all your teammates r shit

[craggy pilot]

What do I do different this week? Pick Boomie for every grp for treents?

[jagged pier]

no the last booomie i had kept putting trees down when mobs were dying

so held them in sanguine

[craggy pilot]

Ah ye 😅

Problem of sang on top of necrotic

Had the same realization when i played shaman with earth ele

[craggy pilot]

but is there any places i wanna pull smaller because of Necrotic?

[jagged pier]

u pull what your comfortable with

[median tulip]

The thing with necrotic is that it changes the threat level of packs in ways you will not be used to. Pack of a lot of small stuff that's normally not a threat? This week that pack is a near-instant 40 stacks. On the other hand, packs of casters that melee once in a blue moon? The affix might as well not exist for those guys.

There are bad packs

and they aren't what you might expect, is what I'm saying

[craggy pilot]

whats the usual route in TOP for you guys?

and totally different question, but how the fuck do i handle that stupid ranged pack after 1st boss in Spires?

they keep jumping away

[acoustic root]

I usually aggro them, then go down the stairs to the wall to get them down, leap in turn them against the wall with their back, as far as i know they only jump backwards

[craggy pilot]

ah ok like a disengage?

guess ill try that thx

[acoustic root]

It works of you can get them grouped up properly

[marsh aurora]

How do u guys handle hoa this week? I'm kiting melee mobs but getting destroyed by bolts if my dps aren't ccing them, any tips?

Taking like 15k/bolt with reduced ignore pain due to necrotic

[jagged pier]

im just not doing m+ this week

[marsh aurora]

5Head

Parsing time in raid I guess

[lime urchin]

They need to be interrupted and reflected, not much you can do if you don’t have a team that is willing to interrupt while you are kiting.

Even when you are not kiting you need people helping on the interrupts

[marsh aurora]

I can handle a few myself usually but the forced kiting makes it harder

[halcyon shard]

@jagged pier hey man carry me through my +2

[jagged pier]

no thnks

[halcyon shard]

fucking stormforged man smh

[jagged pier]

says another stormforged smh

[rigid edge]

I feel you, I feel like I'm running around like a headless chicken half of the pulls haha

[sick sentinel]

i feel like that's another reason DH is potentially better over all too especially weeks like this sanguine

they just siilence shit and then it has to come to them if they don't have wand/gun/bow

we have to run up to it and pummel and run away hoping it doesn't kill us or decide to stick around in the shit longer

[strong forum]

The moving part isn't really an issue

Like for sanguine specifically bdk would be the best

Cuz grip

If you wanna go that far

[sick sentinel]

that's one thing i miss about playing with DK main is he would tank and pvp and all that and deathgrip is stupid good for these weeks

[strong forum]

Death grip is incredibly fun I'll say that

When you're nto used to playing with a dk ever

It's very satisfying to have a dk who grips smartly or be the dk yourself

[sick sentinel]

frost mage as well

did waycrest manor something, had to kite cuz of some mechanic, made the key 10 times easier with mage slows

[craggy pilot]

i just wanna be Warrior with Death grip

can we plz do that?

[sick sentinel]

you can miss me with that what is it, 7 or 8 minute cooldown shit for reductions (thats monk nvm) icebound fort just doesn't really seem that strong in my eyes

[mellow bridge]

Monk cd is praxis is effectively 3.5-4 mins

at most

[obsidian grove]

Get the meat hook 🪝 trinket kap

[slender spire]

hey all, was just wondering if anyone got any good tips on how to deal with necrotic? because im struggling alot with it this week

[primal cape]

just leap at 40 stacks and dont look behind til necro is over

fear and stun can help you tempo

interv in a caster too, but dont ask too much to PU

[slender spire]

yeah, but i feel im just dying on 10-20 stacks

[primal cape]

whats lvl of key are you doing and whats your ilvl ?

[slender spire]

+20 keys and im 246

[strong forum]

on 10-20 stacks its just 20-40% healing reduction, so its just your healer not healing

[primal cape]

was about to say it

[strong forum]

*assuming you play correctly yourself

[slender spire]

yeah, its my first time tanking a season in m+, so mistakes are not rare

[primal cape]

are you kyrian or nf

[slender spire]

kyrian atm

[primal cape]

the pot helps for destack

[slender spire]

yeah but i feel like i have to waste them on "small" stacks since im dying

[primal cape]

i usually kite around 50 stacks depending of my life, but 10/20 is actually weak

[strong forum]

most tanks start thinking about kiting around 20 because theyre healing based tanks

[primal cape]

this week im trying to use my cd the fastest possible to stay at maximum life and stay the longest possible on pack

[strong forum]

but pwar is a mitigation tank and we're usually fine until 40ish stacks

[slender spire]

what soulbind are you using atm? im trying pelagos, normally i play owl boy

[strong forum]

if youre seriously struggling with necrotic kleia is good

otherwise mikan 24/7

[sick sentinel]

35 is where you start to run into trouble

depends if you have room to run, potion, dispell all that

[primal cape]

i use this every week

[deft hazel]

Easiest way to get shield? Just hit 60 yday and ran dungeons im still running a 152 xd

[strong forum]

running dungeons!

[deft hazel]

went into lfr and was getting a bit smacked up but lfr healers never healed me 10+ secs

[sick sentinel]

AH 5Head

[deft hazel]

then yell at me for not pressing cd

[primal cape]

do you have 60k to buy a 190 shield at auction ?

[strong forum]

its 60k? wat

[safe thistle]

i must be a sadist its the week i did the most m+ due to lack of tanks.

[primal cape]

then farm it on dung i guess

lol

[sick sentinel]

when shadowlands dropped i either bought or recieved a 184 shield cuz i was tired of one never dropping

[deft hazel]

nah those are inflated to like 100k

lol

[strong forum]

i wouldnt even spend 10k on a 190 shield

[primal cape]

sure

[strong forum]

if you really struggle you can do m0s

[deft hazel]

people here still selling 235s on ah for 100k

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sick sentinel]

i don't even remember the gold i paid now, i want to say 10-30k

[strong forum]

drops like 210

[safe thistle]

go to korthia 213 shield easily

[strong forum]

"easily"

you need it to drop

[deft hazel]

from armaments?

because i opened like 30

no shield rings or trink

[primal cape]

with stygia you can buy a randomly piece of stuff 200 ilvl

[safe thistle]

its easy but 'rng'

[sick sentinel]

i did the wrath time walkers and got the normal shield 226 so i'm not complaining

figure i got lucky

[safe thistle]

m0 must give around that now ?

[deft hazel]

210

[slender spire]

tyvm for the help dude! have a nice day further all

[sick sentinel]

i just have to do 1 more key even if its shit key get 2 rewards from GV

[primal cape]

gl sir, just spam revenge faster and thats fine

[safe thistle]

when shield slam used to scale with shield block value......

[craggy pilot]

lol does that actually work? 😄

[sick sentinel]

it's not the worst trinket.....

[strong forum]

no

[sick sentinel]

pretty bad, but

[deft hazel]

Anyone have a spell reflect wa that has a sound/better visual? I know there are some on wa site but idk how to edit

[strong forum]

meathook just does damage

[sick sentinel]

well, if you stay slow it CAN slow non-elites (a singular one)

[primal cape]

the weakaura is fine ?

[strong forum]

just press SR on every ability and youll learn yourself what you can and cant reflect

👍

[median tulip]

Do you know, if an another party member is using Kleia, if her "Hope Springs Eternal" power will cleanse Necrotic stacks from the tank?

[deft hazel]

Again something thats a bit more flash the one i see is just a faded out castbar thats hard to notice

[strong forum]

i think it should be able to ye

[safe thistle]

it rpevent for 8 sec any other application

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngAi4JzL2rU also, im 99.98% sure that "meathook" is a reference to doom eternals super shot gun, it launches a chain that attaches to an enemy and you pull towards it

there is a song by the same name in the game

[primal cape]

guess youre using this one https://wago.io/SpellReflectionTracker, maybe you can larger it if you struggle

[sick sentinel]

it has to be voice discorded because you have to be watching tank stacks and need clear, and the guy using it should be needing a heal
on top of this you have to be lowest hp for it to work, which is why it's just not worth going for

[median tulip]

I only party with guild members on voice comms anyway

[sick sentinel]

then you should be fine, just go through the plan with them

[safe thistle]

its easy to use since the tank is supossed to always be the lowest hp

[median tulip]

Especially when the tank has 30 stacks of Necrotic!

[safe thistle]

i like shaman that use earth elemental 😛

[sick sentinel]

well, i could imagine a scenario where you are in a 15 or 20 key or whatever and you try to do it, and tank is at 8% hp, mage is at 6% hp, mage has less so lets give him the potion instead

we depleted?

[median tulip]

Yeah I can imagine such a scenario, but it's a useful to have, rather than a cure-all

[craggy pilot]

how do i get in taza hardmode?

[safe thistle]

theres a guide on wowhead

very long to explain

[craggy pilot]

do everyone need the item to join hardmode?

or just 1?

[strong forum]

only 1

but you cant move at the start until hardmode is activated

[cerulean sparrow]

Am I missing something or is Mastery just very bad for Prot war? It seems that any additional block % we get from mastery doesn't do anything when shield block is up (since it brings us to 100% block anyway)

[strong forum]

our mastery is critblock chance

not blockchance

critblock is double of a normal block

so its still a very good stat, but because its not guaranteed, its not as desirable

[grave crane]

crit and mast are = i assume?

[strong forum]

pretty much ye

[dusky mica]

mastery does also increase your passive block chance, but at a very slow rate (1/4)

from a passive mitigation perspective crit is better (unless we get something from blocking - like we did in the past :'()

On a boss fight, it goes without saying I guess, your crit blocked hits will be the same as your mastery tells you. ie boss hits you 100 times, you have 30% mastery, you will crit block 30 hits assuming you play like a good boy.

On some bosses, if your mastery is high enough, this can have a huge impact on damage taken.

Many bosses in Sanctum cast unblockable nonsense though. So this probably isn't the play in general.

I always gather up a Mastery set for the end of the expansion tbh. It's a fun little thing to do.

[muted arch]

for mythic fatescribe, do you find that solo tanking the 2 adds in intermission slaps?

[median tulip]

One thing with Mastery is that it also increases Attack Power, and this in turn feeds into Ignore Pain. So it does have a component that works on unblockable damage

[grave crane]

Is it enough though to make mastery more “valuable” than crit? Cause I like the increased parry chance honestly

[median tulip]

and y'know, Attack Power is more damage, and more damage is things dying faster. Killing is the best form of damage mitigation.

[median tulip]

They are about the same. Crit is purely melee attack physical (and more specials can't be parried). Mastery is mostly physical mitigation, with a bit of general. Versa is completely general

[grave crane]

So that’s why haste then verse? Cause verse is a general damage reduction instead of physical?

[median tulip]

Nah. Versa is overthought TBH

Just stack Haste. Haste is Shield Block. Haste is Rage generation. Haste is life.

[grave crane]

Yeah for sure. I was in a discussion with my RL while he was on his warrior alt and I said I prefer crit to mastery and that started this discussion lol

Appreciate bouncing ideas off yah

[muted arch]

do you guys solo tank mythic fate intermission?

[obtuse monolith]

In raid Crit also increases HPS through blood link. But that’s not massive.

Swap a ring out for something w 5% Crit and you’re maybe getting 50hps from that

[grave crane]

I did not know that was affected by it I assumed it was just a flat rate based on shard level

[strong forum]

Na, bloodlink is defo affected by stats

Dunno about haste, but defo by vers and crit

[obtuse monolith]

Crit Vers yes. Haste Mast no.
Since there’s a lot of Crit Vers drops in raid that I love for Arms it’s easy to run a “damage build” as prot with that set.

[rustic jetty]

Solo’d Plaguefall on heroic as Prot Warrior

If anyone wanna go for slime serpent mount, doctor ickus will fuck your day up. Slime injection can be deflected by spell reflection

However you have to kite him with jump and charge because he cast it on a shorter cd than the 25 seconds on spell reflection

You’ll have 5 seconds left on cd before he cast slime injection so jump away to avoid it then immediately charge and interrupt Burning Strain

Then your spell reflection will be up before he cast slime injection

As for the first boss which heals off of beckon slime, just keep dpsing and avoiding cone, you won’t kill slime (unless you’re really high ilvl) fast enough with him following you. If you do more dps than he heals for then you just keep going until execute phase then gg

Spider boss is basically dpsing and revealing ambushers and healing any damage you take with victory rush

Final boss only focus add and kill Margrave with Revenge and Thunderclap or Ancient Aftershock if you’re night fae.

[cyan onyx]

Ickus is hard-core a dps race. You have to PUMP lol

[rustic jetty]

True but my tips were for people with lower dps due to gear as a tank

I did this with 212 ilvl

So ickus is just a lot of moving

For me it was

[obtuse monolith]

I just could not get past Domina at 213 before 9.1 dropped. Need to try again now that I’m decently geared

[rustic jetty]

Domina can be hard if you’re not on top of your cds and defensives

[obtuse monolith]

One thing I noticed checking logs just now is just how massive the HPS is from Condensed Anima Sphere. Can’t wait to run that Empowered

[rustic jetty]

Soulshape helped with revealing the ambushers for sure

To keep ambushers from casting assassinate you can simply walk over the middle of the grey pools and body pull

Bounding stride talent and soulshape helped tremendously in revealing the ambushers before they did too much dps

I also pulled boss to center of the area in order to reach the ambushers easily too

[mellow bridge]

huh

can you not skip the first two bosses anymore

[safe thistle]

Domina wasnt that hard since the add she spawn able you to victory rush

[median tulip]

You can reveal the ambushers by throwing Ravager and Spear of Bastion into the right places

[urban portal]

Yeah door is locked now until you kill first 3

[inner void]

Do you guys have a hekili for prot?

[timber lagoon]

I don't think that would be a good idea. Tanking is very situational on when you should use what. Dps rotations are a lot more static, making hekili better suited for damage

[inner void]

any opinion on best served cold vs booming voice for Raid/Mythic? I really dont want to use demo shout as an offensive ability since it mitigates so much damage

[lofty widget]

bsc for m+ bv for raid

[urban portal]

Hekili is ass for prot

It's only good for like bear

And prot pal

And even then

[cyan onyx]

Use The Clap and Shield slam on CD. Use shield block when you are going to take damage. Spend extra rage on revenge/IP as needed. If using reprisal Use intervene and heroic leap to charge and create shield block charges/uptime on CD or as needed.

It's not super complicated just takes practice.

(I've found I do much more damage just keeping shield block up all the time rather than just while actively tanking but im bad so YMMV

)

[marsh aurora]

so i got really low hps compared to some other prot wars i see

am i supposed to mostly dump rage into IP ?

like most of it

[strong forum]

<@&257983573498265600>

Kill the bot

[strong forum]

Alot of hps comes from external sources now

It's not just ignore pain

Condensed anima sphere, retrofitting, accretion(shard of kyr), trinkets

[sand pebble]

be venth prot warr for those high hps parses

[flat oracle]

$pb 119512604631629824

[halcyon shard]

THERE ARE TWO NOW

[true pawn]

Done.

[strong forum]

I'd say venthyr is actually the least "hps"

[strong forum]

Which in itself is a useless metric to look at @marsh aurora btw

Token of appreciation comes from using battleshout and from other people

[marsh aurora]

i was mostly talking about keys btw, so blood link isn't really a thing

[strong forum]

It's smart to use battleshout as a defensive if you have alot of venthyr in raid yes

[sand pebble]

thats my healing to others from token

[strong forum]

But in keys, if you're around 1.5-2k hps when the run is over, you're pretty much playing alright

Which again, is a useless metric

Hps is entirely situationally dependant and not something we do alot

[marsh aurora]

oh, i usually end up at 1.8 when we're pulling over and over

[strong forum]

Then you're fine?

[marsh aurora]

yeah but here and there i see warriors getting huge hps spikes

[strong forum]

Yeah you have them yourself aswell lol

[marsh aurora]

what are they coming from

[strong forum]

But you don't hug the healing meter when playing

Do you

[marsh aurora]

nah

i don't

[strong forum]

Exactly

[marsh aurora]

i hug my revenge button

definitely not the ip one hehe

i guess i can make better use of reprisal

for revenge procs

and then dump a bit more rage

into IP

as i'm dying pretty fucking fast

this week is hell

[strong forum]

It's a terrible week indeed

From what I'm hearing, I wouldn't know

Haven't done keys in almost 2 weeks

[sand pebble]

can confirm this week is hell

[marsh aurora]

people are telling me necrotic is fine on war

[sand pebble]

fort+necrotic means lots of kiting mixed with sang is a pain in the ass

[marsh aurora]

and i got no idea where that's coming from

[strong forum]

Pwar is the best/2nd best tank for necrotic.

Only beaten because dumb bear legendary ignores necrotic

[marsh aurora]

well i'm having an easier time on my bear

^

[strong forum]

Yes bear is broken

Who knew

Big whoop

[primal cape]

"youre the best tank with war this week youre lucky" 🤨

[marsh aurora]

prot pal also has tools

[sand pebble]

our guild bear ususlly pushing 22-25 keys is having major issues this week

[strong forum]

Pally has a tool every 5min

[marsh aurora]

also bear doesn't have it that easy

recovery pools are usually hard on bear and they got so much harder

every 5 min ? am i missing smth ?

[strong forum]

Bop

And bubble

Those are their tools

For necrotic

[marsh aurora]

Nomeratur —
Pwar has a tool every 5min

[median tulip]

Shockwave is very useful this week. I have also taken to front-loading my Ignore Pain (while it has full effect before I get stacked) somewhat

[marsh aurora]

pwar ?

[strong forum]

Oh I meant pally

[sand pebble]

dwarf/dark iron dwarf racial is amazing

[marsh aurora]

oh makes sense

[primal cape]

leap at other side of dung without looking back is the n1 tool

[strong forum]

Pwar has shieldblock

[cyan onyx]

Yee kyrian + dark iron = necrotic ez mode

[strong forum]

That itself is why pwar is amazing vs necrotic

[marsh aurora]

so bounding stride is the play huh

[sand pebble]

yeah leap away and watch all the brons knock things into sang pools - so many kyrian now

[strong forum]

People seriously exaggerate the annoyance of bron lol

[primal cape]

and looking at dk and boomies not even using spells to get them out

better full dps on sang pools and maybe they die

[strong forum]

It's a boomkin, they don't do dmg lol

Why pretend you do

[median tulip]

If Bron's kickback bothers you, then you aren't tracking the activation stacks closely enough

[jagged pier]

they literally do tank damage

or less

[primal cape]

all these venthyr getting stun is fun to watch

[strong forum]

Whenever I see a boomkin cast, all I can think of is my favourite reckful quote

"pretending to do damage!!"

[jagged pier]

[median tulip]

There's so many fewer boom chickens around now compared to S1, it's so funny

[digital arch]

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