I wouldnt even go into a 15 without at least 25% crit
#protection
cyan onyx
Oh God I'm ruined
sweet summit
(those are jokes do not take it seriously)
sick sentinel
suppose it will change when i do keys, i'll have much different gear if i do say 10 keys this week
halcyon shard
I have stacked 40% vers can I still play prot @sweet summit
blazing condor
You are now rank 1
blazing condor
Except this week
blazing condor
They really made a game mode called Pee v Pee
mellow bridge
is necrotic confirmed for this id?
plush tendon
DK is fine with Necrotic
we slap on CRW, have lots of free parry
and then drop DnD slow to run away
sweet summit
is necrotic confirmed for this id?
ionic nimbus
This ID will be pog for fortified
obtuse monolith
Aegis eats Necrotic ticks right? Do stacks still get added while itโs up?
ionic nimbus
Necrotic is easy as shit, and sanguini linguini is no affix...
sick sentinel
dk tank did just fine in BFA i don't know wtf people were on about
obtuse monolith
Still good to have on demand dot reduction. Best fucking trinket
sick sentinel
my gm for 2 years was a DK and he was okay at tank
sweet summit
https://tenor.com/view/how-come-he-didnt-want-me-will-smith-crying-daddy-issues-...
its not me, its you ๐
modern brook
BDK was fine before 8.3
it just got fatty nerfed so all the FOTM left it
like they always do
sick sentinel
he was PVP, so he had a fuck load of vers gear anyways
modern brook
they were bonkers in 8.0
plush tendon
spoiler: you know how stats dont matter for Prot War. The same rule applies to DK
sick sentinel
it's always been that death grip
plush tendon
in fact, DKs can have -10% haste and be totally fine
sick sentinel
i've always wanted DG on my warrior
modern brook
No it was bone storm being effectively a damage immunity on a 45second cd
sick sentinel
just, pick up a bitch, and plant him infront of you
sweet summit
uncapped bonestorm ๐ฅบ
plush tendon
No it was bone storm being effectively a damage immunity on a 45second cd
1 min, uncapped healing though
so nice
I miss
modern brook
My b :/
sick sentinel
deathstrike and AMS/Z were really cool dk abilities too
i could give a toss less about the ghouls and animated sword deal
bright flax
This is definitely not the week to change dk from kyrian to smt else
But i cba to maintain so many chars tbh, will stick to the shield boys for a while
sacred timber
Does necrotic stack on blocked melee attacks?
sacred timber
FUCK
sweet summit
its fine
sacred timber
Grrrr.... this was supposed to be a push week, now how am I gonna time all 15s in fort ;-;
bright flax
Ye we got leap, fear, stun and even intervene to a degree to gtfo baseline
bright flax
Also since this patch necrotic was nerfed its also easier on tanks
Blood doesnt care with necrotic
urban portal
i find it really funny that dh can die during demon spikes
sweet summit
wasnt that reverted and only applies to the lieutenants now?
sacred timber
bears have it the best then its probably war?
We do get 3 dashes, a leap, and a soulshape (if you are a spicy boi like me)
bright flax
Think every lieutenant, not just affix ones
urban portal
We do get 3 dashes, a leap, and a soulshape (if you are a spicy boi like me)
well bears dont even have to move
sweet summit
but its only the affix ones that are called lieutenants
urban portal
its a non mechanic
bright flax
Skeleton monstrosity in NW isnt a LT in that regard then? Though so 
molten ruin
ngl i need some help
sacred timber
well bears dont even have to move
bears are stupid ๐พ
sweet summit
not as far as im aware
sweet summit
do not compare live keys to MDI please ty
urban portal
but my point is most tanks would have 0 healing
sacred timber
wtf is an MDI
urban portal
while bears have 80% of their healing
sweet summit
speed run +18 to +21 keys
blizzard organized tournament
"Mythic Dungeons International" i think it stands for
plush tendon
"Mega Dungeon Inting"
strong forum
"Muh dungeon io"
gilded oar
Decided to open my vault as prot this week because I don't need any dps specific items anymore and got this lol. Any input here? I think the trinket is better but I'll probably get one at some point from raid while no guarantee to see a perfect itemized 252 weapon again
molten ruin
I got a non dom socket wrist in vault at 252 but already have a dom socketed 239 should i stay w the dom socket or get the wrist and move the shard to another piece, (i have 5 dom sock pieces) is it beneficial to run less shards even though you have the bonus still or would it be better to run w 5 shards?
bright flax
Massivefirstpull Into Degeneratedpslvls
strong forum
Decided to open my vault as prot this week because I don't need any dps specific...
I'd pick aegis to be done with it tbh
Getting perfect stats on weapon isn't as important
gilded oar
Ok maybe ill do that. I roll prot on the nine every week but I'm gonna have to give it to one of the raid tanks if I get it anyway at least for the foreseeable future
gilded oar
Ya its a hilarious vault
sacred timber
those are the nerds that make all the +15s be like I want you to be KSM since legion, 2950 io, CE in the last 4 expansions and I want a mistweaving windwalker because it fits me as a enhancement shammy
bright flax
you won't replace that aegis this patch and at that ilvl might use it for a good while on next one
plush tendon
oh wait, thats a 252 one
take the trinket my dude and then trade the one you get tonight to your unlucky off tank!
EZ
strong forum
Ya
plush tendon
He'll be so happy and then you can be like 'now you owe me one'
bright flax
He'll be so happy and then you can be like 'now you owe me one'
tank pf for me, give phial
strong forum
And you can get 252 weppy from the eye anyway
strong forum
Then lmao yea 100% aegis
sacred timber
252 Aegis :PogChamp:
gilded oar
I'm playing arms in raid , have a 239 upgradeable weapon for prot
plush tendon
hmmm
gilded oar
Bur I have to queue arms spec on eye anyway for my dk tank to trade weapon lol
plush tendon
naw, fuck him
XD
You know, harder decision now considering you dont have a 252 weapon....
maybe wait till after raid?
see what drops?
gilded oar
I believe this vault has used up all my weapon luck foreverol
plush tendon
Nothing wrong with a delayed vault opening
gilded oar
That's true. U can get a keystone without looting vault right
gilded oar
Rofl. I think u can grav one from the guy next to the vault maybe. I'm sure ky friends will want to try and push some keys today I dunno
bright flax
the valor weapon will go up to 246 right? its not the same damage as a 252 one, but weapons you can use any while trinkets have those special unique effects that make them valuable
plush tendon
yea, but its a raid trinket
so he has a chance every week to get one
granted, same rule applies to weapon
gilded oar
I think i might take tbe weapon
bright flax
that is true, I'd wait for the raid
plush tendon
so its a tough decision
gilded oar
But I will def wait till after killing nine this week
bright flax
ask ppl to switch lootspecs there if they can as well, and hope for the best
gilded oar
It's troll because I've got the trinket twice from raid but I gave to the tanks and they switched classes lol so I think they need again
bright flax
wild hemlock
252 haste vers wep ๐
plush tendon
It's troll because I've got the trinket twice from raid but I gave to the tanks ...
WOW ok. big mistake my dude
Cant trust dem rerollers with loot
trust=broken
bright flax
I still haven't even seen the entrance to taz
do those quests in oribos. I did it once in the hard mode and thats it
modern brook
do those quests in oribos. I did it once in the hard mode and thats it
Lmao doing quests
gilded oar
Rofl. It was for good reason. Roster problems so we needed dk/dh
plush tendon
.... I did the same
Went from Prot War to my Blood DK....
for the good of the raid
APPARENTLY having 5 warriors in a Mythic raid was a BAD thing
gilded oar
Rofl
hearty barn
Hey mates, the Unbreakable Will target all raid or only the groupe ?
plush tendon
Group/Party
gilded oar
We tried like 5 pulls on soulrender with no dk and that was not happening
hearty barn
ok only my group in raid so ?
bright flax
APPARENTLY having 5 warriors in a Mythic raid was a BAD thing
1 too much for meatgang party
plush tendon
1 too much for meatgang party
Still dont have a enhancement shaman for them... they are getting restless
so much hate mail in my inbox when I log in like 'wheres my windfury August'
bright flax
rofl
gilded oar
Sounds like me... we only have 2 arms warriors but we complain nonstop about the lack of we. How else can we parse
plush tendon
The funny thing is... like half the raid has a shaman alt
they just dont want to play it in raid
bright flax
my guild on the other hand had no warrior in CN so I did the oposite to augusto
plush tendon
but are sure as hell fine trolling keys with them
plush tendon
my guild on the other hand had no warrior in CN so I did the oposite to augusto
we used to have a policy of passive aggressiveness towards melee and making them reroll range. We were so close in CN to having only like 2 melee in raid.
which led us to having 5 boomies
bright flax
and now we have 3 warriors, which is why I want to gear my paladin so I can hear the silence from the arcane mages when I finally get above them in the dps meter
plush tendon
I like to troll on my Paladin, but im sometimes tempted to go Venthyr on him, equip his 252 IQD, and show those DPS how its done
balmy coral
233 helm with domination socket or 252 helm without? I can get the blood bonus with my wrists, chest and gloves,. It missing out on 1.32% damage.
strong forum
dom
balmy coral
I'm surprised 19 ilevels is worth the 0.44x3 shard. For M+ I presume the 252 helm is better?
strong forum
dom
after kyr, dyz is literally the best shard in the game
easily worth more than 19 ilvl
balmy coral
Oh, so I should run 3 blood+Kyr vs dyz?
strong forum
for m+ you should run kyr>dyz>cor>bek>zed/jas
for raid you run 3 set blood + dyz + zed/kyr
balmy coral
But kyr doesn't add damage!
strong forum
hence the "/"
balmy coral
I mean for M+
balmy coral
I need more damagez
strong forum
i listed all gems that do dmg + kyr for m+
Kyr is the strongest gem in m+ borderline OP
balmy coral
But it doesn't do damage! /s
So what you're saying is, my vault choices sucked since they didn't offer domination shards upgrades and m+ were all dom slots?
strong forum
bright flax
that's 9.1 vaults for you
balmy coral
How much healing does Kyr rly do? Mine is only rank 2
sweet summit
my rank 3 is ~250 hps iirc
balmy coral
quick napkin math says 825/5=165HPS
sweet summit
rank 5 with 23.68 vers is ~330 hps
vers is strange with kyr
it increases absorb per tick
but not max absorb
from what ive seen
pale gust
my main focus is m+, don't care much about raiding minmax. In terms of m+ survavility, should i pick that heroic chest or should i continue using an old m+ 252 chest?
frigid fox
@plush tendon the only way our ret was able to beat our arcane was on sylv when the ret just padded on adds and nuked half the raid. mage included
median tulip
The set bonus (Blood Link) is not active in M+
pale gust
The set bonus (Blood Link) is not active in M+
I know, however, some people say that 226 gear+dom shard is better than a 252 gear
dusky canopy
Dom piece with rank 5 gem is better value than 252 stats
ocean yoke
my biggest vault upgrade is a ring i already have but with leech, gotta love it
autumn lintel
Just got OWS from vault, unsure if I should swap out Sanguine Vintage or A'lar
autumn lintel
I mean listen, you want to give me a bloody scale I sure will lol
mellow bridge
How much healing does Kyr rly do? Mine is only rank 2
mine did 335hps in hoa 23
rank 5
dusky canopy
Rank 5 kyr isn't damage no, but you do 100% damage if you're not dead making it more valuable than a 252 piece
dusky canopy
Lmao
jagged pier
scale is okay nome
sweet summit
imagine having either 
plush tendon
jagged pier
i have both
strong forum
imagine being prot lootspec in DoS
sweet summit
gonna prot lootspec tomorrows vault
jagged pier
no matrix tho
strong forum
and not based arms
ima loot prot aswell
getting thate aegis + matrix from 1 vault
autumn lintel
I ain't got it lol.
strong forum
and die inside
autumn lintel
Legit though, should I just replace the lower ilevel then?
dusky canopy
I've been running ows/scale
sweet summit
gonna take matrix cos it does more damge than aegis ๐
strong forum
Legit though, should I just replace the lower ilevel then?
ya
autumn lintel
Not a prot question but does Whispering Shard of power suck or am I just bad with it?
dusky canopy
All about that damage
jagged pier
Not a prot question but does Whispering Shard of power suck or am I just bad wit...
shard of power is aweful for dps and us
autumn lintel
Thought so, lord I hated that thing
strong forum
dafuq is whispering shard of power
autumn lintel
Honestly I just want my Dreadfire Vessel back lol
@strong forum Don't ask, it will make you sad
craggy pilot
what are the affixes in US now?
mighty valley
necrotic/sanguine
jagged pier
ez affixes
craggy pilot
i can finally get some use of my Phial
chilly brook
It was fun while it lasted bois but its break time for me
brave jetty
239 -> 252 cape (with crappy secondaries, mastery/vers) or 246 -> 252 ring (from NW, so dungeon BiS)
leaning ring
strong forum
rip Griff
strong forum
239 -> 252 cape (with crappy secondaries, mastery/vers) or 246 -> 252 ring (from...
technically cape
cuz it has mainstat
median tulip
I would take that Ring. SMS is a great ring
strong forum
im assuming its already 246 NW ring
so its literally just the 6 ilvl
its literally just sub 10 haste/vers vs 13ilvl upgrade on cloak
brave jetty
Nah the 246 is the one from domina, crit haste
I mean I hear ya about cloak and main stat but any 252 cloak is going to be that same upgrade, whereas I'm set on rings if I took this
mighty valley
252 shield finally
It's the crit vers one but good enough, it's all dps vaults from here on out
brave jetty
Yeah I love the crit
I'm sick of mastery though
it's overtaking all my secondaries just from picks i've been kinda forced into for ilvl
ring actually sims as a dps loss lol
craggy pilot
how the fk, i feel i did everything right and still only 191 score :<
mighty valley
Get that empowered bonus up
brave jetty
And the bonus from two elites within 10s, I forget what it's called
Should have that one every run
Should usually be able to get a good empowered pull late floor 1, endboss of floor 2 so you'll have it for all of floor 3, and then whenever you want rest of the run
craggy pilot
ye thought i did that one, but turns out one of them was a Rare ๐คท
which ones are Elites anyway?
and i totally forgot to click Empower before boss
mighty valley
Literally everything you do while empowered gives you bonus score, including dumb stuff like breaking pots
mighty valley
So do a big pull, get them low, walk near some pots, hit empower and go to town
strong forum
how the fk, i feel i did everything right and still only 191 score :<
3 empower score
strong forum
When you pull big
mighty valley
Just plan to do a big pull every time the bar is full
near pewter
If you dont know when to click it, just click it on CD.... or when you pull big
Does anyone know if there are any warrior abilities that interact with Leech?
craggy pilot
277 ๐ฎ
strong forum
Does anyone know if there are any warrior abilities that interact with Leech?
no
nothing interacts with leech besides healing someone or dealing damage to someone
well, and vers
near pewter
well, and vers
So verse does increas the healing from Leech?
halcyon shard
Vers is the best
strong forum
So verse does increas the healing from Leech?
yes
modern brook
Does it double dip
strong forum
iirc yes
sick sentinel
De Other Side: Weekly route notes: Night Fae urns must be used with caution this week, as they can inadvertently cause Sanguine healing if youโre not careful!
come again?
modern brook
Good to know for my leech set
strong forum
which is why s4 in BFA was so nutty
modern brook
De Other Side: Weekly route notes: Night Fae urns must be used with caution this...
If u stun things in puddles
strong forum
60% vers + 20-40% leech
modern brook
They get heales
sick sentinel
how do i avoid this, or use it to my advantage, should i get in dos key
modern brook
how do i avoid this, or use it to my advantage, should i get in dos key
Don't urn things in puddles
If you urn things not in puddles and are then in puddles after the urn
That ain't you
sick sentinel
i'm supposed to start a 9 PF anyway
strong forum
in dos you use Urn on pull anyway
stuff shouldnt die before Urn runs out
unless you have mad pumpers
sick sentinel
low keys i guess?
strong forum
in low keys people dont do damage
modern brook
^
strong forum
they live an average amount of time
craggy pilot
do we go Kleia for Sanguine or stay Mika?
modern brook
Neceotic* and I'd stay mik
I've been wrong on this in the past and I'm sure nom or erga can fix me on this
craggy pilot
oh ye i mean necro ofc ๐
strong forum
ya
only crit value, not crit %
however Kleia grants the 8sec immunity to bleeds and such
modern brook
So ud really only be using it for the i.munjty
strong forum
thats a powerful typo
sweet summit
u ok bull?
modern brook
Yeah I got mad cause u beat mE too it again and gave up
modern brook
strong forum
PC posting OP
modern brook
I'm actually alternating
strong forum
same
modern brook
every other post is from a different device
strong forum
i often catch myself where i sit on PC
and then pull up phone to check on discord channels
real normal
modern brook
its the gamer equivlent of closing facebook and then opening facebook on your phone
plush tendon
The real play is to type something on your computer, drive to your friends house, then log him out of his discord, log in and then type there
modern brook
actually lol'd
plush tendon
strong forum
sounds like a good waste of 2hrs assuming you have a car, by train a little over 4 hrs, with bike too long to count
modern brook
nom outting himself as having his closest friend be a 2 hr drive :^(
craggy pilot
your friends live 2hrs awayt?
craggy pilot
loool
strong forum
the other one 10min but we rarely interact, like once a year
cyan onyx
My closest friend is either 5 feet away or 14 hours by car
strong forum
i killed all my IRLs after i finished school
sick sentinel
should i do kleia conduits this week
jagged pier
nah
prisma obsidian
anyone try full crit frost shard set yet?
strong forum
i dont even have 3 dom socket pieces
prisma obsidian
๐ฆ
craggy pilot
full crit+kleia+frost ๐
strong forum
id love to try cuz i have like 33% crit
obtuse monolith
Kleiaโs there for arms if she sims higher. I canโt see switching off Mika while prot
prisma obsidian
i am close i think, just need to upgrade some more crit items w/valor
strong forum
however
frost set is pretty shit for us as you need alot of hits that crit
like not just %
craggy pilot
crit+haste
strong forum
actual number of hits needs to be alot, like Havoc DH
Eyebeam is 100% crit, so thats like 15 crits already
prisma obsidian
using the guardian trinket to help with the small hits
i just wanna see cause im looking to do the same with fury
lavish oracle
Just get your healer to go kleia
old flame
a little advice? I already have the cloak, currently running 233 ows and either 226 nw hook trink or 239 aegis as trinkets. I have a 246 sinsmasher as a wep. Raidbots says def matrix sims higher than the wep upgrade.
lavish oracle
I would go with the weapon if you're killing heroic guardian every week
Without doing mythic, you don't have another source for a 252 weapon
strong forum
Matrix is one of the best trinkets in the game
However a 252 weapon is also pretty much a staple
Depends what you want, I personally would take the trinket cuz I'm okay with running 246 weppy and shield, even if it's suboptimal, but I hate having bad trinkets
obtuse monolith
Raidbots is simming damage only and matrix does sim well for that vs 239 Aegis. But realistically getting the 252 weapon you wonโt be replacing makes a whole lot of sense. You also have a shot at 239 matrix each week from a kill but nobody drops 252 wep until Mythic Eye
lavish oracle
How close is ally hall of fame anyhow?
old flame
it's a haste verse axe too..
strong forum
How close is ally hall of fame anyhow?
A few days ago it was 40/100
So, still quite far
lofty widget
68/100 atm
plush tendon
probably wont be filled till 9.1.5
old flame
or we get that weird china boostin
lavish oracle
Ah well, eye and tarragrue seem puggable enough when it opens
lofty widget
eye might be tough
lavish oracle
Hoping the nine is puggable, I want that sweet sweet 252 aegis
old flame
I think the 252 is the better bet since matrix is off a boss we kill. would it make sense to wait till the end of the week?
modern brook
honestly
If you're in the 68/100 that got it on ally
you should just guild hop to finish it up
they;re the actual worst
they being ppl that play ally
lavish oracle
They should just make cross faction a thing
modern brook
No
lofty widget
yes
lavish oracle
So I can play dwarf
lavish oracle
If it weren't for the fact that everyone plays horde, I'd play ally
short kiln
I pulled the heroic matrix this week during raid, but I've already got 233 OWS, 233 Scale and Heroic Aegis.First world problems for sure, but I can't help but think Matrix is 4th on that list?
lavish oracle
I think matrix is better than OWS in keys but I'm not sure, don't have either
strong forum
then I'd hae to play with someone who thinks its ok to play alliance
You're in luck that you don't play with me then eh?
strong forum
I pulled the heroic matrix this week during raid, but I've already got 233 OWS, ...
Aegis + matrix is literal dream combo
modern brook
๐
ancient cosmos
looking forward to aeigs+matrix before 10.0
strong forum
Ye ows is better for arms than for prot
short kiln
Thanks Nom!
trim bay
Hey guys. How much ilvl is ok to drop for a Dom socket. I have maxI ilvl wrists from weekly chest and got a heroic piece with dom socket.
Is dropping 10-20 ilvl ok for the socket?
strong forum
Absolutely
lavish oracle
They're worth like 50 ilvl last I saw, haha
trim bay
Ok sweet. I thought so just wanted to make sure
lavish oracle
I should clarify
trim bay
50? Damn. That's alot
lavish oracle
The first 4 slots are
strong forum
5
sick sentinel
wrong chat apologies
strong forum
Still, it's 5
mighty valley
I mean, it depends a lot on the level of your shards + whether it's your 1st dom socket or your 5th, but generally they are v strong
sick sentinel
ty
lavish oracle
Does rank 5 jaithys still overwrite its own debuff?
old flame
I think i'm gonna grab the wep and hope for a trink drop
lavish oracle
Iirc, most mdi setups were 4 sockets and dropping the 5th for ilvl
On a chest piece
obtuse monolith
Bek Cor Dyz Kyr right? No Jas?
modern brook
inst Jas the speed one?
obtuse monolith
+healing received iirc
My Brasil knowledge consists of knowing Bolsonaro is a PoS. Thatโs about it
โPiece of ๐ฉโ
stray hemlock
for m+ you should run kyr>dyz>cor>bek>zed/jas
Should pin this imo. Unless I'm blind and its already mentioned.
strong forum
It is pinned ;)
stray hemlock
๐คญ๐
digital arch
i need more haste 
plush tendon
You mean Aceleracao
digital arch
yes
modern brook
Forca always gets me
brave jetty
Is Matrix better than Phial for keys? Is it close?
sullen valve
Daily reminder that @ionic fern is one of the best people I have met <3
modern brook
Yeah he really is
strong forum
Is Matrix better than Phial for keys? Is it close?
Matrix is better than phial for keys
It has basically the same offensive capabilities, but also the exact same numbers as a defensive ontop
A free 7k shield+dmg proc on a 30sec CD if you drop low is fucking massive
- it's natural 7k shield + reflect from proc rate
trim bay
how come shard of rev isnt on the list for m plus. is it that trash compared to the other ones? more for raid?
trim bay
here i was thinking it was good rip
rancid ember
garbeege
trim bay
do you use it in raid for the blood bonus
strong forum
Yes
rancid ember
& torgy
strong forum
For the set bonus only
trim bay
ok cool. also im running decanter of endless with scale as ive had no luck getting a new phial or aegis/matrix. is that stupid?
i have the cheat death one but
prefer not being dead
brave jetty
Depends on what your other options are
strong forum
Sounds like meh options, but better than nothing
brave jetty
Decanter isn't bad, it's just there are better
I'd def use decanter over cheat death tho
trim bay
i have weave, soul cage fragment, stone heart, scale and decanter
so its the best i got i assumed lol
yea thats what i also thought.
modern brook
French p sure
strong forum
Not french
modern brook
Not french
I wouldn't know
brave jetty
Ofc, forca
digital arch
its portuguese
tame jasper
does anyone has nice kleia-necrotic-build?
strong forum
does anyone has nice kleia-necrotic-build?
Yea its called Mikanikos
But generally just take top right one, and then go down the priority list for us
And take the middle path
And then left path again
feral drift
Hey folks. I got a 239 Shard of Annhylde's Aegis todayand I was wondering if anyone has some good tips on how to use it effectively. I get the basics on what it does but any favorite case uses in raid? in mythic+?
gloomy cradle
pull big, be invincible for 8 seconds
it basically reduces the amount of damage you take from incoming attacks, meaning that the more attacks you take during its window the more value you get out of it
which is why its referred to as uncapped
feral drift
so its not 5000 damage as pool of damage, its 5000 per hit or ability basically
gloomy cradle
yep
feral drift
nice
gloomy cradle
meaning that most attacks will do 0
feral drift
does it have an particularly good use with affixes in keys?
strong forum
It works against necrotic
feral drift
like will it stop the ticking of dots?
strong forum
Other than that, just use it to take 0 dmg
Yes it works against all dots, obviously
feral drift
lol thanks
Im just a bad theorycrafter
and sometimes things arent what they seem to be for me
i have no good examples though hahaha
mighty valley
we're all just suspicious after years of things not being as good as they sound
strong forum
Blizz used to tell you what trinkets and procs do
And now you have stuff like the legendary bow from Sylvanas or the IQD
Not telling you ANYTHING
gloomy cradle
???
strong forum
???
trim bay
im lost
tame jasper
good luck in vault
strong forum
That's why she stopped talking to me after I got it on dh last week...
modern brook
just use it again
feral drift
at least the IQD has a chance to console you when youre down
strong forum
at least the IQD has a chance to console you when youre down
Or give courage to someone else
strong forum
Grats, but look at the joke that your m+ loot is, all Dom socket slots 
empty spindle
So essentially
feral drift
Id love a piece of Saurfang soon...
empty spindle
Unless I get a 252 scale m+ is for off spec
snow salmon
are the stats worth the dom socket loss?
empty spindle
Thatโs literally the only thing
empty spindle
Iโd take out it m+
snow salmon
awesome thanks
proper pecan
@rotund thicket Thanks for the ball jumping tips, just killed Raznal w\o paladin
https://youtu.be/KcRvDL2g0v8?t=337
modern brook
@strong forum do you know how to do the double red buff on 2nd boss PF?
sweet summit
they dont stack?
modern brook
The red pool and the necro buff?
sweet summit
oh ok
modern brook
I just dont know how the logistics of the route would look
I'm thinking you're supposed to skip the boss room get 2nd dps anima, clear 3rd island and pull the first two islands together with boss
focusing red and purple then boss
but i can see Clearing the off corner island, skipping to 2nd dps anime, and clearing the last 2 packs together and pull boss as he comes in
really i just dont know how i should care aobut the purple slime
the 2nd method would let you kill the slimes before boss gets pulled
which seems good
but i imagine things wont be dying unless you commit some kind of damage into them before boss which seems bad
strong forum
2nd boss is OMEGA easy
To get double
You just run through middle, do the lieutenant + the 2 pack infront of stairs
Then once you have killed that, you kill the pack with the red slime on whichever platform you wanna start boss at
And youre set
Getting double red on first boss is harder
modern brook
didnt evne know u could get double red on first boss
strong forum
Ya
Means you need to move the red blob alot
From all the way from next room
There's 1 pack that has red blob
modern brook
yeah thats a bit of a hike
strong forum
You clear there, then kill everything but that blob, move that blob all the way from there to first boss
modern brook
Is it worth it try try for 3rd/4th?
strong forum
No
modern brook
i imagine 4th is a bit too much of a hassle
strong forum
4th kinda works
3rd doesn't have blobs
On 4th people usually just take it insta, not worth to double puddle
modern brook
yeah i was wondering if we're omega kiting something for 3rd
strong forum
Na, there's only 3 red blobs afaik
And the puddle fucking hurts to stand in
So it's counter productive for 4th boss anyway
modern brook
thanks for the knoweldge nom :^)
craggy pilot
fucking what, i did 18++ last week in Sanguine and it felt easy as fk
now i cant even get past 2nd boss on 20, 19 or 18...
seems impossible to keep up SB in that fight
no clue when to run out and charge
but then again, it might be issue of DPS not killing add fast enough ... ๐ค
modern brook
Now you're thinking like a tank
mellow bridge
that fight is a lot about not wasting SB charges too
e.g. not wasting SB when he is casting castigate on someone
distant crystal
you pull left pack right away, preferably with the last 2 borers
mellow bridge
he's not hitting you in that timeframe anyway
distant crystal
then you go pull tormentor and backtrack to the pack w/ ooze
mellow bridge
and you can save a charge of SB before he spawns the add if necessary too - there is basically 0 dmg going on in that timeframe so the healer can just heal you
distant crystal
kill it and bring boss in whenever it's nearby/handy
mellow bridge
and then you have SB + defensives for during the add so the healer only has to heal your group
distant crystal
and everybody stands in the blood and blasts boss
mellow bridge
yea that's a good chance for it usually
craggy pilot
but feels like i was being hit hard even when the add was not up
mellow bridge
eh maybe?
but as there's nothing else going on, it's easy to heal damage
a lot better than being hit hard while an add is up and the healer has to keep up the group
ionic fern
Daily reminder that <@!238357283996696576> is one of the best people I have met ...
No you.
sullen valve
False
modern brook
Does anyone remember how they changed the plague boreres in PF?
I know its not lol meme anymore but idr what they actually did
sullen valve
iirc the mini boss only shits out like 4 pairs total now
modern brook
oh is that it?
I thought they changed like the target count or something in the explosions
strong forum
only the ones from the miniboss do dmg now
and they spawn in limited amounts
thats how they fixed it
strong forum
nop
modern brook
can kill some tentacles real fast i guess
strong forum
if youre really fast you can pull the miniboss down and kill like 1 of the packs on 2nd boss with it
or pull it into the lieutenant before the miniboss gauntlet
but yeah thats about it
modern brook
i mean honestly a healthy change
but ZZZ either way
do those canisters still explode on mobs?
distant crystal
you can do 2nd miniboss + tendy + 2 borers
then tendy + 2 borers
then the dungeon miniboss guy with 2 borers
then the left pack w/ 2
if you haul ass
strong forum
do those canisters still explode on mobs?
They do, but they do minimal dmg
They don't scale with key level or w/e it was
distant crystal
yeah cannisters are weaksauce
and all the other borers in the dungeon don't pop anymore
modern brook
so is it just not worth doing anything on booms anymore?
modern brook
makes sense
plush tendon
https://www.wowhead.com/news/conduit-energy-now-refilling-10-energy-per-day-full-conduit-energy-every-day-324076 What conduit energy
ivory elbow
@plush tendon when you change conduits it costs energy thingy
plush tendon
well now i got mad energy points
mellow bridge
you can still pull some stuff into the borers
like the tormentor guy and e.g. the slimeclaws + fatty that are standing on the side
still good free count
just not as degenerate as it was before
woeful trellis
They Should just add conduits on spec i hate itโฆeverytime change when i switch speccs, just tanked a +20 hoa with Arms conduits ๐
sweet summit
true true
safe thistle
its a temp fix until 9.1.5 where it wont cost any conduit power anymore
sick sentinel
what ilvl reccomend for +9 pugs
score rather too i gues
earlier group i tried to form was suggesting "at least 220" for a healer
craggy pilot
im 220 healer doing 15s
just go from this chart
go for maybe "end of dungeon" ilvl minus 10 or so
urban portal
what ilvl reccomend for +9 pugs
are you hosting?
if you are just applying then just apply
twilit bramble
For M+ in mind, should I take a 252 ritual bone band (currently have a 246 socketed one), or take a 239 reactive defense matrix (current trinkets are 233 OWS/239 shard)
craggy pilot
is the 246 also a ritual bone band? then 246 is better
i would probably take the Matrix
socket is = 10+ ilvl or so in rings
maybe even 16
twilit bramble
yeh the 246 is a bone band
solemn ferry
Hey, quick one. I remember a spreadsheet bashing around somewhere showing the gain from necrolord's banner to different classes and specs
Any of you guys knows if it still exists ?
stark sage
its in the pins here, but idk how accurate it is
solemn ferry
oh great, thanks!
craggy pilot
yeh the 246 is a bone band
then keep the socket ring, and take the matrix
if those are the 2 only options
and what trinket is your 239 shard? ๐ค
oh u mean Aegis
tbh then i have no clue haha ๐
not sure 239 Matrix is better than Aegis
coarse furnace
Hey guys how do u deal with the 3th boss in spires(soak) is there any trick?
brave jetty
Group stacks everything typically behind the boss
Then shift boss to the side like 20 yards, do the same
brave jetty
Do you mean for us personally soaking the orbs?
coarse furnace
Kills me with my 230 warri in a 15
brave jetty
Ideally get someone with a proper immunity to take half or more
Otherwise cooldowns. Aegis is really good to mitigate it.
coarse furnace
Hmm y don't got it yet
obtuse monolith
239 matrix is really good for raid. Like 7% of DPS good, and thatโs good HPS too. Aegis is a raid trinket thatโs best in M+ (or a few on-use cases like Deathlink, combo, heartseeker)
safe thistle
ya aegis is amazing for the eye it work on the dot/magic dmg when it start getting high
primal cape
pastel sleet
Looks like a rough week for tanks..
tribal yacht
any opinions on the ideal trinket setup for M+
Old warrior soul + Scale?
for tank, sorry not dps
modern brook
if you scroll up to like
3pm or so
It was metnioned
but im pretty sure its Aegis + Matrix
with PHial as a close 3rd
mossy peak
aegis is by far your #1, and if you don't have it, you replace it with scale until you do
lunar jackal
does anyone know if u can trade shield if u have a 252 WEP but not a 252 shield?
mossy peak
shield isn't a weapon, it's its own thing
lunar jackal
damn it
mossy peak
it may be that shield and offhand work with each other, that much i'm not certain
lunar jackal
yeah thats why im asking
mossy peak
no i specifically mean an offhand
not a weapon
shield is not weapon period
offhand like what casters get
lunar jackal
yeah i understand what u meant
empty spindle
Kleia the way to go this week
?
Some thoughts or is it still better to just spec into mik
brave jetty
Mik does the trick
modern brook
the way i see it if ur speccing into kleia you either dont need to ask becauuse u have specific pulls in mind where the immunity is necessary or you dont need it at all cause things should die before necrotic is a problem
may as well stick with mik damage
cyan onyx
Well, then you have specific pulls in mind :P
steel mist
guys regarding about the training tank dummy, how many stacks did you reached until you guys popped
distant crystal
just made our two warr dps /roll for a heroic OWS
and the first one came out with a 1/100
brave jetty
getting declined for keys i've timed because I'm not a DH
the MDI effect already lol
brave jetty
i mean i usually don't have an issue but lol
obtuse monolith
Roll in a pug for something off of Remnant. Wasnโt helm, neck maybe?
Anyway 4 people all roll under 30. Just as we comment about the low rolls someone comes out w a 99 ๐ฏ
lunar jackal
@brave jetty oof I don't have an issue with people who want "meta" I do have an issue when people ask for a meta class and have absolutely no idea why they want it. I've literally been declined off ToP with Hunter/Monk/Rogue comp
limpid zinc
dh is not even meta anymore ๐
brave jetty
Is getting reamed by casts while you're kiting for Sang/Necro just going to happen all week?
ocean yoke
but bro youtubers told me warriors suck
ocean yoke
hell yeah brother get it
lavish oracle
I have literally not run into a single person who still thinks warrior is bad
but maybe I'm just not looking hard enough
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
jagged pier
Old warrior soul + Scale?
Aegis and matrix or aegis and OWS
brave jetty
Yeah i can't do keys this week, this is fucking miserable
Sang, mobs are about to die
our NF Arms warrior fucking ancient aftershocks lol
brave jetty
He was most of the time
But I was just floored by that
It's pretty unfun though, having shockwave be fully DR'd by the time I want to use it for resets is lame af
urban portal
It's already so short it can't dr
brave jetty
We had a shaman that was stun totem'ing sometimes
But I was consistently getting no effect shockwaves on 1st cast
strong forum
Your pullsize was prolly above 5 and you just didn't hit what you wanted to hit
brave jetty
It was on pulls of all sizes
violet violet
Shockwave can absolutely dr
brave jetty
Not on the first one lol
violet violet
Ancient aftershock will not dr
Heโs talking about shockwave. Not AA
Shockwave is just a stun that gets drโed by any other stuns. If youโve ever run with a dh, youโll notice that they dr the shit out of stuns
AA is a knockdown, while shockwave is a stun
brave jetty
Does not subject to DR on AA mean they don't contribute to stun DR?
It says knockdown but the effect itself is a stun
lofty widget
AA will not affect the duration of any other stun
brave jetty
Apply Aura: Stun
Value: 5
Mechanic: Stunned
Radius: 12 yards
PVP Multiplier: 1
violet violet
The effect of AA does not dr anything
brave jetty
Makes sense
violet violet
That wasnโt even what he was saying anyway. He was saying his shockwave was useless because of stun drโs
The complaint about the arms warrior using AA was a different complaint
Shockwave can be drโed completely by other stuns very easily, which does limit our ability to kite a lot
urban portal
I interpreted that his shockwave was getting Dred because of AA
violet violet
So you can AA freely at any time and it wonโt affect any other cc. The complaint was that the dps was casting AA as mobs were dying, so they got locked in sanguine puddles
Yeah I totally understand the misinterpretation haha
split eagle
Is there a link to this?
jagged pier
Depends how much u trust ppl to move on last boss
Can be pretty bad
As u need to run out of the ice pool u drop
sweet summit
Should be fine
Only phys damage is his auto attacks
sweet summit
Chainman
brave jetty
soggodon
violet violet
is it safe to skip soggy on NW?
Nonono
Lich bossโ ice shard deals physical damage
brave jetty
I know
violet violet
Okay haha
brave jetty
Every boss deals physical damage
violet violet
Ofc
Okay he just said that only his auto attacks are physical
If you can survive 50% heavier ice shards then yeah go for it. I donโt think it affects anyone else but the tank
I think everything else from the lich is magic damage
silent mason
Is Bladedancers Armor Kit as bad as people say? Got a 252 in my vault and it's tempting over my 'best' pick.
silent mason
pmsl amazing, neck it is.
plush tendon
Is Bladedancers Armor Kit as bad as people say? Got a 252 in my vault and it's t...
Noโฆ itโs worse then what people say
silent mason
ty gang
strong forum
It's basically "nothing - the trinket"
hearty terrace
Itโs so bad oh N trinket no tank even wants it in there bags
blazing condor
do i still take stacks of necrotic with aegis up or nah?
ionic fern
Yes.
blazing condor
hearty terrace
Use your pot if your Kryain
halcyon shard
I should pick vers from vault yes? @strong forum
woven bear
best vault lolz is the ring even an upgrade?
median tulip
best vault lolz is the ring even an upgrade?
Good Arms ring. Wouldn't use it for Protection over either of the ones you have equipped though
Those trinkets though... sucks for you.
woven bear
yeah the neck also sucks
soft loom
When is the best time to spell reflect on heroic sylvanas?
blazing condor
i SR on ranged heartseeker
woven bear
heartseekers i'd say
blazing condor
as well as when i need the magic DR when holding big stacks in p3
soft loom
Thanks
blazing condor
yeah the neck also sucks
good neck for Arms 
graceful cobalt
Slimy Consumptive Organ how good is that trinket?
blazing condor
ยจmeh
strong forum
Bad
tame jasper
Also got shit -_-
ionic plank
does shard trinket count as a shield? i.e. is it reduced by necrotic like scale is?
or is it another form of dr
strong forum
Aegis is not reduced by necrotic
As its is not a shield
But just a flat dmg reduction
strong forum
It let's you cosplay being a bear
jagged pier
Shield
Its actually sad u got have 2 piece higher than me and they both got an upgrade in the vault
Still rocking the 246 shield and 226 shoulders
bright flax
what would you do? Open as dps or prot
I've got 252 weap and shield, have hc aegis, matrix and ows at this point
Only 1 raid option is 252 (and only unlocked loot on 3/10 if that's how it works), rest is hc
Also only 1 dungeon option is 252 because I slacked hard
im like, ye a "better" aegis is an upgrade, but not a necessity, what do? pray for a 2h for those times I dps in dungeons?
ionic plank
probably open as arms yeah
but idk how valuable a 252 shard will be, if that's huge for you then you want to open as tank
best chance to get it in vault is now right? before you kill more mythic bosses (if you're 3/10m rn)
cloud hazel
Good morning. Necrolord Orc Protection Warrior here. I would like to have a macro with an ability + Blood Fury, but I'm not sure which ability. Avatar is not aligned, Necrolord Banner is perfect with 2 min cd but is it the correct choice?
bright flax
I mean, the difference from hc shard to mythic shard is not huge
jagged pier
Just get mythic shard ez
bright flax
6230 vs 7531 on the dmg reduction. the dmg output is slightly bigger
so open this shit as prot?
I'm gonna cry hard when I see the shield
jagged pier
Oh yer just another 1.3k off every attack against me for 8 secs
Not huge at all
But nah i would open as arms
bright flax
well its done, ring from the nine it is. will not complain
indigo narwhal
How is ows for prot in m+ if you can keep the buff?
sweet summit
Very good
Lasts for 15 sec out of combat
So not a big fan of it in ToP/Spires/DoS
sweet summit
Hey thats my guilds name
blazing condor
Ergaw
<just have all 20s done>
sweet summit
๐
jagged pier
I thought it was we go again
strong forum
<just>
jagged pier
@strong forum im sad we didnt do skyhold weekly
strong forum
I was in da tub
strong forum
Trust
oblique garnet
u can take ergas spot he always busy
Ye but you do the keys at weird times so can you blame him
jagged pier
Who the fucks busy on tuesday at 7pm ST
oblique garnet
Who the fucks busy on tuesday at 7pm ST
jagged pier
supple spruce
Upgrade 236 1h weapon to 246 or upgrade 236 phial to 246? I play arms and prot 50/50. Don't know how much difference the 1h weapon is
supple spruce
Using phial as prot for my 15-17 keys anyways, it's not like it's wasted for prot
strong forum
Weapon is a bigger upgrade
supple spruce
hm
cyan onyx
For prot yeah but he's 50/50 arms and the 1h does jack all for arms.
Why not both? :P
supple spruce
This damn valor cap
strong forum
I still have like 4k valour I could spend
Don't upgrade items you're not gonna use forever
Simple as
strong forum
Ye but you do the keys at weird times so can you blame him
Yeah, dumb people and their jobs
sweet summit
jagged pier
mellow bridge
meta whores
weird how that changed eh
wait whoops, that's only for 15s
15 and up
craggy pilot
Wait is prot warr still the most rare? ๐ฎ
I thought we would be more popular than Blood DK
mellow bridge
and tbh they're solid in m+ too
craggy pilot
In m+
mellow bridge
just get better dps/heal Kappa
mellow bridge
mhh
bright flax
Think most in raid are going necro so they suffer less in dungeons
mellow bridge
cant judge that myself
craggy pilot
But then again I'm pretty noob on DK
bright flax
Venthyr is insane sustain for bdk, but necro is insane 2 mins dmg
mellow bridge
the key gap between my warr and my dk is a bit too large for a proper comparison
bright flax
Insane is a bit hyperbolic, they still do less dmg compared to warr
craggy pilot
Yeah same here, but mainly cus of ilvl difference
strong forum
Yeah my bdk and my pwar is also not a fair comparison
Given that my bdk is stuck in 8.1
mellow bridge
