You know you can just charge before a taunt swap/during literally any movement during a fight
#protection
sturdy sable
And intervene on any melee
And youd gain more value then the wall most of the time
pastel sleet
Just ran a handful of keys with bolster, booming voice,&EM
Felt like big dam. Block uptime much much lower than repercussions reprisal… but not bad.
loud apex
when should i use anger management vs heavy repercussions?
trim bay
i have lego pants. is it worth re crafting boots and using the haste vers legs from m+?
jagged pier
nope
jagged pier
when should i use anger management vs heavy repercussions?
when u need the extra blocked hits, so in like 24s and above
cinder nova
You can also HR so you aren't going full-meme and clowning your healer if you do lower keys with SR
But you really don't need to if the packs die fast
blazing condor
i played a lot of ITF/HR last season to try it out
and it feels exactly the same for me defensive wise as playing Rav/AM
pushing the same(and higher) keys
so why not take extra dps
orchid frigate
hmmf tried to speed run thorgast and just ran to end of floor bosses and killed them. still only 2 star. thought that time under par gave you loads of points?
or do i just have to go even faster? 😄
or maybe no point in trying to speed run 🤔
blazing condor
Im no torg expert but as far as i'm aware the timer doesn't actually matter like at all
you can do the whole floor in an hour and still get 5 stars as long as you complete everything and dont die etc
blazing condor
But im just shooting from the hips rn i havent done torg in a while
so might be wrong
orchid frigate
i was hoping to get it over with fast (and still get 5-star) 🙂
blazing condor
we all hope for that 🙂
bright flax
time doesn't count for much, I screenshotted a 1hr run some weeks ago when I learned that myself
orchid frigate
ah ok. was considering running a layer 8 really quick in order to get into adament but i guess ill scrap that idea then
mighty valley
getting 100% and doing as much as possible while empowered are the main things
plus remembering all the random ass bonuses you can get
bright flax
there's a few strategies, what I do and reccomend is:
- try to clear everything
- dont take epic powers
- try to stack a 5x obleron for 1 stat (its a bonus)
- kill the vendor
- have 500 anima at the end
- use the empower bonus to double on 2 elites under 10secs and possibly end boss under 40s
orchid frigate
thats about my usual strategy
but would like to minimize time in torghast 🙂
btw the drop rate of the conduit upgrade thing - is it a one week thing only? have never gotten from both adamant vaults
gaunt dawn
you can only get 1 per week
orchid frigate
ah good to know
then i could do one "speed run" and one where i slog through 100%
strong forum
The maximum amount of points you can get for speed is 50, you're much much much better off just playing completionist and perfectly to get flawless
My impatient self had to learn the hard way
Playing slow and steady is not my thing 
orchid frigate
ah
strong forum
Think in my 11min run I only got 38 points for speed, shit is wild
Nvm i got 50
I got only 38 empower bonus, that was it
lime urchin
there's a few strategies, what I do and reccomend is:
- try to clear everything...
Y no epic powers?
strong forum
My guess would be extra points?
ionic plank
epic powers are -points
lime urchin
I see
ionic plank
I mean, same but if people are struggling they should try to avoid epic powers
empty spindle
What chest enchant have you guys been running
bright flax
Y no epic powers?
Ye for the easy bonus points
You can also go for never repeating anima powers but I find that harder to aim compared to no epics and 5x obleron stack
blazing condor
What chest enchant have you guys been running
eternal stats
orchid frigate
shield slam is OP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf5ripSoy04
sick sentinel
ironically, the warrior charge is supposed to be the thing that does the stun
fringe marten
It did?
I can't tell if these guys are HARD selling it; WWE style...or if my mans just went WAY off script~
viscid prairie
hello, new warrior here. is there any situation where i will be using whirlwind? based on what im reading, its not really a viable rage dump at any time
plush tendon
You take WW, you put it in a box, and you send it back to the arms and fury warriors
we have no use for such silliness here
plush tendon
we have REVENGE
sick sentinel
gettin there i suppose
fringe marten
Speaking of Torghast stuff..
We were doing our runs last night; I went up to a new floor..saw the loot goblin and insta jumped his ass like normal. Then the nice lady-healer in discord told me I was dumb.. and I got to find out about the secret loot goblin floor? WTF I had no idea..now I'm sad I killed him like usual.
bright flax
Youre so dumb mate, unbeliavable. What loot goblin floor? 
Never heard of such thing
Teach me
fringe marten
The loot dredger? The neutral little loot goblin guy you rarely see in torghast?
bright flax
Yep, kill on sight obviously
fringe marten
So; you get to floor 3 (first floor you can buy stuff) and you ALWAYS buy the 250 anima..orange orb thing; that you 'toss' at enemies to kill them.
Then hold it; EXPLICITLY for him.
When you see him; you start hitting him slowly..he will drop his anima cells like normal..then go to 'escape' and create his portal.
As he's casting the portal to escape; you toss the anima cell thingie at him to poof him.
strong forum
Interesting
fringe marten
Then you can use his portal to access a secret room with a bunch of vases that you break and they all have lots of anima cells/powers in them.
Yeah the guild healer/rogue were like "DUDE STOP KILLING THE GOBfffuuck"
bright flax
Wooow
fringe marten
Then standard warrior response "...wut?"
fringe marten
Yeah like..I had no idea; I'm not trying to learn Torghast Tech~ I barely give a crap about routes in M+ as is.
bright flax
I would always kill the lil bastard and get annoyed for him running
fringe marten
Yeah well that's the thing; as solo prot..unless you got decent powers you had to hard burn him or he'd escape.
Took getting my 3 set from the raid to be able to kill the..? dudes in korthia that try and run/teleport away...the relic gorgers or whatever?
But yeah I was like "that's not a thing...that's like cow level shit in diablo; you trollin'" "no..it's real"
bright flax
1st week on layer 12 was... fun I guess. The anima blob stealing me all the time
fringe marten
Not that torg is a challenge even to 5star but the whole point is to go in and smashfiesta the place so it's fun.
So..secret gobbie room is fun..I want it now.
Also; why doesn't details show Dynarats damage?
(If you get the crate at the start of torg with the potions in it; one of them is "Dynarats" they do INSANE damage to bosses/final boss)
Just hold all your dynarats for him..everyone tosses them; and you instantly get the sub 20 second kill bonus every time.
But details doesn't show the damage in any way; so it's very odd.
bright flax
Couple that with the empowered bonus and its easy 40pts then. Also had no idea, might never seen it xD
fringe marten
the potions are actually really good, the speed one/etc are all good. But the Dynarats are the gem; you just hold them for the final boss and everyone uses them on engage. they do % of HP damage; and it's a LOT of % like 20% per Dynarat bomb or more.
Maybe that's why it doesn't show in details? Maybe it just 'reduces' his current HP by 20% of is maximum, instead of applying a 'damage' effect? I have no idea..I just know you delete final boss with them if you get it.
bright flax
no idea, but im totally going for a torghast run rn. Gotta do them weeklies and might see that loot dredger. Also going as arms so I expect negative score at the end
so that's what you mean by potions crate 
fringe marten
yeah
you click it, you get 3 potions, like 3 charges of each
One of them is "Dynarats"
bright flax
fringe marten
YE! They have a cooldown, but if you're in a group..everyone tosses them..the boss dies in like 10 sec.
bright flax
from tooltip alone I'd say it doesn't show on details because its not "your" damage
fringe marten
Yeah but? I could be wrong but I thought I looked at "damage taken" for boss; and nothing showed..as in I couldn't 'find' the damage but I know it was there because his HP was getting chunked massively by it. Maybe I'm wrong and was looking in the wrong tab? Just use 'em at the end of your run and see if I was just looking at the wrong thing.
stray hemlock
Is the potions crate always there or is that a tower knowledge perk??
fringe marten
Don't forget to use the other potions too, they're good...the speed one is ok, but then the haste one? is strong.
jagged pier
its nither its the other thing
fringe marten
It's a tower knowledge thing I think? It's a 'chance' to be there..
jagged pier
no its one of the random buffs
fringe marten
OH it's a blessing
jagged pier
thats the one
stray hemlock
Oh cool
fringe marten
OK..ok.. since it was so random I just thought "oh must be one of the random tower knowledge things"
bright flax
ye blessing
fringe marten
I never read the blessings or curses.
stray hemlock
Is it on every floor or just once at lvl 1?
fringe marten
You get it one time.
at the start.
But as I said: the Dynarats are mad strong against final boss; or due to the 10sec CD if you're blasting some bosses fast enough maybe you could use 1 earlier? I dunno..I save 'em for final boss.
But there's a haste potion, and runspeed + other perks? They're very powerful potions.
I think the haste one lasts like a minute or two?
Finally hit rank 6 on the stupid archivists... only 4 'fury' conduits left to take from 239 to 252 to be 100%'d on conduits.
stray hemlock
Sockets are the main benefit
bright flax
@fringe marten i used it on 1st boss floor. tbf the details tab for enemy dmg taken are showing like you said, 0 mention of the dynarats pot
stray hemlock
Wish there was an easier way to grind the rep then nonstop korthia. For a casual the rep grinds take so long
fringe marten
Did it pop a huge chunk of his HP off?
bright flax
the thing I wonder is, is it really doing damage to the boss? when I killed it he did a massive explosion
fringe marten
There's a little delay
you chuck the rat, then like 3 sec later it pops
I think you have to kill 'the rat' on him? I dunno..it gets passively cleved down
strong forum
Wish there was an easier way to grind the rep then nonstop korthia. For a casual...
Even if you're not a casual it takes too long
Over 2 months for this shit is just stupid
jagged pier
yes
bright flax
I think you have to kill 'the rat' on him? I dunno..it gets passively cleved dow...
tried it again with 2 mobs, pretty sure it just makes the mob explode when you kill it but they don't really take damage for having the rat debuff
jagged pier
no
fringe marten
I think if it the debuff comes off it does huge damage? I dunno how it works I just know that every time we used dynarats on final boss he got utterly wrecked.
plush tendon
fringe marten
But anyway; Yeah the covenants honestly are ...? pretty balanced stunningly..but I do think kyrian just overall synergizes so well with prot warrior.
bright flax
from wowhead, im done with this torgast talk, we talk shield slams and shades of blue in here
still pretty cool effect to use, happy I learned something
fringe marten
But it's based on the mobs Max hp? OHhhh I see what happened...it went to the 'add' (it's when boss has a buddy) and we tossed rats and nuked it..so boss gets murdered by it.
So it's basically putting pre-corpse explosion on whatever you toss it at.
sick sentinel
sick sentinel
really need a way to get a proper replacement for this
what is that addon?
this is my haste rn
jagged pier
i got the cap of haste
no u didnt haste cap is 166%
or the actual amount u should aim for 40%
bright flax
Ur just on the edge of dimishing returns but not capped
jagged pier
still got 8% to go
sick sentinel
inspired is just kill whatever glows eh?
jagged pier
pretty much
sick sentinel
going for top 5, see from there i guess,
i'm 220 ilvl, dunno what ilvl is good or bad now
spiral void
plush tendon
and press spell reflect for Sycthe on last boss for stonks
warm condor
so in regards to the spell reflect spreadseet
blockable spells refer to shield block, right?
plush tendon
no
you can block spells and deflect or reflect them with spell reflect
SB is for melees
jagged pier
blockable spells refer to shield block, right?
yes
livid venture
blockable spells refer to shield block, right?
yes
plush tendon
oh, now I understand
elfin nova
(They're not spells)
plush tendon
: ^)
warm condor
(abilities?)
woven bear
How can I found out if the target was taunt immun when looking at the logs?
I'm blind apparently
elfin nova
I guess the distinction doesn't really matter for warrior, it's either blockable or not. Paladin might care for holy shield though(?)
sweet kayak
😩
craggy pilot
Lol sinful surge gonna extend avatar 😅👀👀
woven bear
Is the diminishing return window for taunt 20 or 15 seconds?
sweet summit
20
jagged pier
Lol sinful surge gonna extend avatar 😅👀👀
its still meh
sweet summit
pretty sure
craggy pilot
Ye i thought so, just weird change to make 😅
jagged pier
well it extends a dps cd for the other specs
craggy pilot
Make it extend shield wall 😅
woven bear
@sweet summit okay, I found a reddit post with 20 and the icy veins tank guide says 15.
I'm just wondering because we had taunt immunity problems on mythic ner'zhul
jagged pier
nah hes just weird some times
craggy pilot
Wtf does diminishing returns mean on taunt? 👀 Never been anything i wondered about
jagged pier
becomes immune
craggy pilot
So if you taunt, no one can taunt back?
jagged pier
i shouldnt happen
i get in a pugs where the co tank press taunt on cd for some reason
woven bear
A potentially important mechanic with taunting that not many people know about is the fact that there are diminishing returns on the duration of taunts. If an enemy is taunted enough within a certain timeframe, they become immune to taunts.
There is a 20-second reset window on the diminishing returns on taunting. That is, if 20 seconds go by without a taunt being cast on a particular enemy, the diminishing returns resets.
For each taunt after the first, the duration of the taunt is two-thirds of the previous duration. The enemy is immune to a sixth taunt.
The first taunt lasts 3 seconds, the second 2 seconds, the third 1.4 seconds, the fourth 0.9 seconds, and the fifth 0.6 seconds.
#copypastefromreddit
sick sentinel
is it the same way for stuns
woven bear
the suffering timings on mythic ner'zhul are quite close, if you add a extra taunt it can be a problem
sick sentinel
or what are numbers on stuns
woven bear
Guess different numbers for stuns
sick sentinel
i'd want a DR weak aura for parry, stun, personally
really handy to know if shit is going to take my full stun or not
i'm fairly postiive if you parry too much, the same happens, and you can no longer parry
lofty widget
stuns are halved, then quartered, then 1/8 of the full duration for every consecutive stun
bright flax
i get in a pugs where the co tank press taunt on cd for some reason
Pugged Sod guardian on pally, bubbled out of my combo, classic paladin style 
Strangely enough also had to do it on kt, glass cannon undergeared char, just breaks
lavish oracle
Honestly, if they wanna tank the boss the whole time while I press revenge, I'm good with that
digital arch
i got penality lol
gleaming rock
I am at a debate with myself. I want to start gearing another alt. I plan on mainly tanking and playing Fury in M+ with the occasional heroic raid as fury (Dont want to mythic raid on two toons since I main a feral in mythic raid) Which covenant should I go with if thats what I am wanting to do?
gleaming rock
Oh I wont be worried about gear. Here the last two weeks I gotten 3 toons from fresh 60s to ilvl 335ish within a couple days. Just want to know which covenant you all think I should go with
sick sentinel
now that i have the first empowered conduit, it should probably be peircing verdict correct (covenant one)
tired ice
I am at a debate with myself. I want to start gearing another alt. I plan on mai...
Kyrian or Night Fae, both give AoE damage and Rage
digital arch
but i miss the potion from kyrian
gleaming rock
Yeah my buddy told me he doesnt like kyrian much for raid but the AoE from spear is strong AF
digital arch
yeah and is better for u run at the dg
when u need go out the pull its just use the spear
tired ice
The Kyrian legendary Elysian Might is also very strong for Fury
sick sentinel
kyrian spear is stupidly overpowered for certain dungeon mechanics
leaping mobs come to mind
bright flax
leaping mobs come to mind
but doesn't AA also do the same? they keep falling during 10secs no?
digital arch
but doesn't AA also do the same? they keep falling during 10secs no?
yes and no, somemobs dont stay in the midle of skill
with kyrian its 100%
plush tendon
Both NF and Kyrian are good; AA provides knockdown affect for 12 seconds (very strong) whereas Spear gives tether (makes it easier to charge in and out and has niche uses) The big draw to Kyrian is Spear+Owl
digital arch
and kyrian u can use for pull
bright flax
tanking wise, kyrian and nf is the same. its just pot vs soulshape, blue vs blue, 1 min cd vs (wtv time it is) AA
digital arch
somemobs
sick sentinel
heavy elites, giants, can't get pulled in
bright flax
plka used to advocate that for world 1st keys Kyrian would be better for a single use in SD
plush tendon
Phial for bleeds
sick sentinel
if there was no faction imbalance i'd be dwarf again
gleaming rock
So for tanking as fae or kyrian will I use the same leggo?
plush tendon
Reprisal in nearly all situations
tired ice
Night Fae gives you the NF legendary as a dps option for Prot
gleaming rock
Awesome, Thanks.
obsidian girder
Heya. Maintank got ill and need to tank this evening. Arms main - so I only upgraded unholy shards to 4. Worth it to keep it or should I play Rank 1 blood/frost set? (HC progress, First pull fatescribe tonight)
bright flax
just keep it, you can do the encounters without any shards so just take what you're already strong with
obsidian girder
Okay thanks
Mikanikos with 3 potency is the way to go I think
Elysian might an idea over the wall?
tired ice
EM is not really worth it on Prot, take Wall or Reprisal
obsidian girder
Okay
bright flax
Elysian might an idea over the wall?
this can be a dividing topic here.
If you just have those 2, wall is the only one that give you defensive value and the recomended choice there. reprisal would be better
If you will not die at all and will not struggle your healers you can use EM to lineup Spear on boss adds for some burst, but if you're soaking them then the niche value of EM is gone there
obsidian girder
Soaking an option on HC?
And yeah I like wall more in raid. It's a matter of preference
bright flax
you can soak in hc ye, tis a bit of damage but with some dmg reduction cds the raid can survive. its more useful if you're like having a tank add right as the boss goes to sleep on the middle of the room
fringe marten
I made a 235 EM boot, tried it in both normal and heroic clears, and it wasn't a noticable gain in dps over reprisal or the wall. So ..meh?
craggy pilot
@jagged pier is the new sinful surge also bad in ST? 🤔
jagged pier
yep
fringe marten
Is that the venthyr thing?
craggy pilot
Seems the wall is 3% DPS, while signet is like 4% and NF is 8-9% 🤔
fringe marten
cleared King's Bounty 2..time to get Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous..
craggy pilot
Is that the venthyr thing?
Yep, it's gonna extend avatar now
fringe marten
OH yeah I remember seeing that in the patch notes thinking "I wonder if that will be good enough to make venthyr a thing for prot.." So I guess that's a no?
craggy pilot
Probably no, because the only place it would make sense is on ST, and seems even signet is better DPS on ST with NF leggo being way more dps on ST
jagged pier
NF leggo is fucking stupid damage
fringe marten
They'd have to tune some stuff to be ..pretty beasty to make swapping off of Mikanikos as an 'all around' excellent option.
jagged pier
im sure at some point @ionic fern will figure out the sinful change in terms of numbers
craggy pilot
im sure at some point <@!238357283996696576> will figure out the sinful change i...
👀
fringe marten
Yeah I saw the sims on it, the night fae specialty legendary was a sizable increase in damage over any other...but still not enough to make me want to change over. As someone who likes to do keys, but has to be a raid tank ...mikanikos/kyrian is just really good.
Painsmith almost..ALMOST made me change to fae. But we got through him with 2 paladins and a potion of unhindering passing.
? If you're goblin, or a DH or ..whatever..and you can jump out 'over' the lava as the tank hammer hits you on painsmith..then glide/gobby jump back to the platform..what happens??
lavish oracle
It'll be interesting see the RWF dynamic once you can just swap covenants for every fight
Assuming they're not somehow a pain in the ass to swap
bright flax
I made a 235 EM boot, tried it in both normal and heroic clears, and it wasn't a...
Meh indeed. Its only decent dmg for like 40s or so, after that you're already losing to reprisal. Also requires a substantial amount of crit
I used it to help guild on like p2 sylvannas, it was up every platform and we were having issues with dps overall, but looking back I wouldnt do it again
atomic schooner
hey misters and sisters
frost set for prot warrior is a pure shit?
or its just a little worse?
dps wise
mighty valley
You can sim DPS
atomic schooner
true
ty
this is just my alt for heroic/m+
and i want that juicy absorb shard and frost dps shard aswell
so its just easier to me upgrade last shard to get a set instead of upgrading 3 new
mighty valley
With like no crit the frost set isn't gonna be great I imagine
strong forum
ya with 6% crit its gonna perform very badly
obtuse monolith
Blood set is only way to go for prot. Especially since the buff not even UH comes close damage wise
proper pecan
Anyone knows how to check who triggered trap on Raznal?
balmy coral
203 hymal vs 233 warrior soul
blazing condor
ows
mystic warren
is there any known way to stop blood link from going on other targets when you press thunderclap or revenge?
noticed my blood link damage going down a lot on soulrender and remnant because as soon as there is a 2nd target it just keeps swapping back and forth before even being able to get a tick of damage off
pastel sleet
a number of my conduits are still really low even after 30+ days played this patch. including a 213 piercing verdict. what is best way for me to get my conduits upgraded. it obviously isnt doing mythic plus
lofty widget
you can get conduit upgrades up to ilvl 226 from killing rares in korthia/the maw, from 226 to 252 you need 5 star torghast runs to get adamant vaults or rank 6 with archivist codex
mellow bridge
The raid drops a few as well
pastel sleet
do the adamanent vaults scale conduit upgrade chance with layer level?
i.e. does a 5star 12 give higher chance than 5star 9
vapid berry
ye
pastel sleet
noted
thank you
so run around korthia til all of them are 226 then farm 5star layer 12s
mellow bridge
You can farm korthia for higher upgrades too
Doing both at the same time is the fastest way
vapid berry
you can farm it till one drops it will only drop one per week for you
mellow bridge
Keep in mind the torghast shard is a once per week drop
pastel sleet
^^ this is important information thank you
mellow bridge
But a layer 12 run pretty much guaranteed drops one
pastel sleet
i would have absolutely farmed for days for a second drop
mellow bridge
Run one proper layer 12 run including adamant vault per week for upgrade there
The second wing you can just rush/do scuffed since you don't need to get a 5 star there
Unless you care about the transmog or w/e
And then if you got time leftover you can do the korthia stuff
pastel sleet
are the korthia 226 upgrades also timegated or just freefarm
mellow bridge
Uhh
I guess they're indirectly gated
Since they only drop from stuff like rares, nests etc
So there's a maximum amount of drop chances you have each day
If you wanna start doing korthia stuff, it'd be best to look up a guide for it tbh
pastel sleet
welll... that went well
it worked! thanks guys. that was definitely the problem. the last couple months ive just been speed running the layer 12s for the cinders. didnt realize it was the easiest way to get conduit upgrades
quartz dome
cyan onyx
226 shard or 246 scale
lofty widget
m+ or raid
cyan onyx
M+
ocean yoke
I will say it depends on dungeon and pull size. If you're doing smaller pulls you can get more value out of scale than shard
dry flicker
would dos be a shard dungeon?
short kiln
depends how hard you pull in ardenweld
cause you can get insane mileage out of shard if you pull like MDI
I personally use shard there
but ymmv
it's also helpful on the wheel
since there are some big pulls there too
lofty widget
shard is generally better on 2-3 mobs at equal ilvl, 20 ilvl diff might bump that up a bit but should still be ahead of scale
short kiln
TBH, I think the only dungeons I use Scale on are ToP and SOA
and Mists probably
PF is a bit of a toss up, but HOA, NW, SD and DOS I use Shard 100% of the time
I like shard on PF generally cause it can absorb the dots and is up a bit more frequently
modern brook
pugs have wild ideas bout what goes on in this game dude
mossy peak
is that ego or is that rp
they are probably all furries after all
ah yes, like max baer the famous boxer
it's probably best you never enter the demon hunter discord at all
median tulip
DH discord is nearly as big a trash fire as the Hunter Discord
urban portal
DH discord is nearly as big a trash fire as the Hunter Discord
is it a player skill thing you think
median tulip
I think it's a player population issue
Both DH and Hunter are commonly recommended for newer players, and as a result their player population is on average less experienced than the general wow player population; this means that the signal to noise ratio on those class discords is bad (& gets worse as the experienced voices log off from participating because it's bad)
urban portal
yeah thats what i mean
its probably the classes attract the most casual players
fury is KINDA like that but not as much
brittle owl
it's not a player issue
it's a moderator thing
felhammer and hunter disc have very relaxed mods
so there's alot of autism to go around
skyhold is also, contrary to popular belief, very relaxed
shoulda seen this place in bfa 
blazing condor
brittle owl
there was autism to go around on a daily basis
blazing condor
If pwarrs become meta again itll become loaded again
brittle owl
load dis diq
urban portal
was prot warrior actually popular?
urban portal
i always think of prot warrior kind of as something good tanks play when its good
kind of like arms and fury
brittle owl
that's
brittle owl
horribly inaccurate
prot isn't some god tier gamer spec
if anything, it's one of the more straightforward tanks to get into
urban portal
ye im saying that there are less people who enjoy the gameplay of prot than say vdh
halcyon shard
incarn go brrrrrr
brittle owl
ye im saying that there are less people who enjoy the gameplay of prot than say ...
also incorrect
majority of people are copy cats
and follow the meta
thinking that the gameplay of wow is somehow similar to other online games where meta is slightly more relevant
people, as a majority, enjoy playing "what's good"
so there'll always be overrepresentation of what's "meta"
urban portal
To an extent, 9.0 havoc was horrible and ww monk was better in every single content
Yet havoc was just as popular if not more so
brittle owl
s1 lfg page says otherwise
urban portal
there are specs where even if its horrible it'll still be played
brittle owl
it depends where you're looking
i.e. type of content
outsode of raiding, m+ and high end pvp, class representation is generally homogenous
once you get into endgame content, the meta starts being a factor
atomic schooner
Warrior is the least apm tank that's why I dont enjoy it tbh
ionic fern
👀
That's new.
atomic schooner
On the same level with beats
Bears*
Okay I'm wrong
But it feels slow compared to brm/pala/dh
strong forum
Compared to dh
What
And aswell compared to pally
What have you been smoking
Pwar is literally one of the highest apm specs in the game
crimson furnace
well, I am guessing he has 10% haste and the class feels slow AF
otherwise, no f-ing way :))
blazing condor
Low haste pwarr feels ass lol
atomic schooner
31% haste
and i dont spam revenge
if you spam IP you dont have that much rage to use something every gcd
or i am doing something wrong
mossy peak
well dont spam IP
blazing condor
Yes
mossy peak
IP kind of blows
blazing condor
You dont spam IP
jagged pier
Warrior is the least apm tank that's why I dont enjoy it tbh
Eh? You should be like 69-74 CPM in combat
No tank is close to that
jagged pier
Lol thats wrong
atomic schooner
no thats not
mossy peak
that sim is probably pure dps
jagged pier
We see tones of prots that have less than 40
atomic schooner
You dont spam IP
you only can have 70 if you spam revenge
but in high m+ it feels like i need to spam ip
jagged pier
I cant help if ppl play the class wrong and u see it that way but prot is very high CPM
When played properly
mossy peak
when you say high m+
trim trench
Hey guys, I'd have a HC painsmith related question, dunno if this is a good place to ask
brave jetty
playing reprisal properly adds a fair amount of apm because you're gaining a lot of resources out of it + the skills you use to enable that
but yeah everything about this screams not playing the class properly
jagged pier
Exactly my point when played correctly its really fast to play
mossy peak
you're also casting a lot of off-gcd and i'm not sure what the sim off-gcd would actually be doing, since i assume that's the dps sim
lime urchin
forgive me for asking, but what does CPM mean
jagged pier
Just a lot of ppl dont
mossy peak
casts per minute
lime urchin
ah I see
halcyon shard
Excuse me, I played Prot in at least one +2 key and it was so dead in cpm
always capping rage
lime urchin
^^
jagged pier
halcyon shard
: )
atomic schooner
when you say high m+
mossy peak
IP is really shitty to spam regardless, which is why you probably feel like you have to spam it
because it aint doing shit
ionic fern
you only can have 70 if you spam revenge
but in high m+ it feels like i need to ...
IP is off gcd ..it should provide you even more APM.
One thing is "I feel like it plays slow" another things is actually playing slow.
jagged pier
I would like to see logs, cause u probs are playing quite right tbh
mossy peak
kill mobs faster = take less damage from 'em
ionic fern
Prot Warrior is one of the faster tanks when it comes to APM when played correctly.
jagged pier
☝️
atomic schooner
22s are high nowadays?
and i bet you dont do 25s or even 22s when you say that
jagged pier
I dont i dont like mythic plus
But i did 20s weeks ago to get portals then stop
But 20s and low
atomic schooner
it feels like a 24 is the max key for pugging
i cant do higher 🙂
mossy peak
at a certain point you cant face tank anymore, it's better especially if you're still using reprisal at that level, to just weave in and out and do damage as you can, and avoid taking damage rather than trying to mitigate it
because as mentioned
IP does fuck all
lime urchin
if you pug keys like that, how do you handle important interrupts?
jagged pier
Ppl at thos lvls are good enough
mossy peak
there are WAs, there are some established trends, and sometimes they just get in disc
lime urchin
no but I mean, do you assign stuff to people before you start or something?
atomic schooner
or you talk beforehand that you're first rogue 2nd etc
lime urchin
I am starting to sniff on my first +20s tonight!
atomic schooner
dunno ill try to press less IPs but i dont know if i have to 🙂
mossy peak
he's spamming it he says, which lines up since it probably vanishes super fast at his level
it's less about casting less IPs and more about casting more revenges
is the angle i would take
atomic schooner
Why would you press less IP's?
peps just talked that i need to spam more revenges above to like the spec 😄
mossy peak
he has low cpm because hes spamming IPs and missing revenges
jagged pier
I mean no cpm should high regardless
As u should have a lot of rage gen
Revenge or ip is just a way to spend it
If u use ip mpre u can use ss and tc more because u dont need to hold then to not overcap
ionic fern
Swapping IP casts for Revenge shouldn't change much in regards to CPM.
It's either:
1)You are not pressing Rage generators enough
2)You are overcapping Rage
Or...you have un-realistic expectations when it comes to "fast CPM".
jagged pier
☝️
mossy peak
1 could definitely be it
jagged pier
Which is why i asked for logs
atomic schooner
revenge is twice cheaper than IP
ionic fern
Do you have any logs?
jagged pier
That doesnt matter
ionic fern
It would solve this topic in a heartbeat.
atomic schooner
nah i dont its just an alt for m+
but i'll come back tonight with the logs
ionic fern
Seeing as you're doing 20+ keys i doubt you are playing the class wrong so maybe it's just you are "feeling" like it's slow?
There are rarely any times in keys when i don't have anything to press.
blazing condor
you only can have 70 if you spam revenge
but in high m+ it feels like i need to ...
Different strokes for different people ig. I push keys and dont feel obliged to use ip much at all. I try and keep it up if needed but usually sb just tanks most for me. Rest just goes into revenge
ionic fern
You only overcap like mad when you have your CD's up.
Otherwise it shouldn't be a issue.
mossy peak
that was just a reference to "not much at all"
ionic fern
Ah.
mossy peak
theres a healthy middle ground to IP use
it aint something that is worth spamming, but you don't want to neglect it either
you just kinda wedge it in here and there tbh
atomic schooner
i might take the whole class wrong
i always have a higher HPS than a healer on my monk
im just trying to play the same on a warrior (and its never even close)
mossy peak
oh our hps blows m8
we are mitigation tanks
so it's not gonna show up the same as it does for others
this aint keys, it's raid, but just as an example
hearty terrace
Whats that for??
mossy peak
75th percentile, healing
hearty terrace
Got ya
mossy peak
gets more skewed the further up you go
blazing condor
Reminds me of this pwarr is raid with in EP who would only try and parse for top healing logs
strong forum
I've reached up to 75cpm as pwar
mossy peak
there have been times in the past where we had decent hps
strong forum
Without log padding
mossy peak
now's just not one of 'em
strong forum
If you're looking at hps from a pwar and using that as a metric and literally pump most of your rage into IP, youre 100% playing pwar wrong
No wonder you think the class plays slow
If you literally empty your rage bar at any given moment
Prolly play HR + ITF aswell
blazing condor
If you play brutal vitality you can just keep perma ip in big packs
If you got aoe
trim trench
didn't mean to be rude but I couldn't find a clear answer by searching into chat - my raid has had our warrior tank pasted, on hc painsmith, by overlapping hammer and spiked balls
it's the same situation as p3 mythic?
jagged pier
The balls are random spawn
trim trench
is it possible we have to bop instantly a tank in this situation? I have a video
jagged pier
He shouldnt go all the way
And he can just leap the spikes to get back
Shouldnt need to go over the balls in hc
trim trench
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1140938819 at 2 hours 0 minutes 45 seconds
jagged pier
He can also charge at the right time
trim trench
yup
mossy peak
you can go 1 tile in
jagged pier
Yer he just walked into the spikes
jagged pier
U have time to number one stand there and wait for the spikes
But he also doesnt need to go all the way
And he and ither charge and leap to get back
trim trench
I assume the timing is kinda on the stricter side?
anyway, thanks for the help, I've got to remind this guy to keep at least one charge to rush back
mossy peak
i've only tanked painsmith one night, i'm the guild's 3rd tank, but i don't remember ever having this issue, i always had a moment to react
jagged pier
The balls spawn random on any side just dont be on the very edge
And u can walk back in time
mossy peak
yea
jagged pier
Your really over complicating the mechanic
trim trench
I see ok ok
thanks for your time, it's just that something like this created the impression that we will have to randomly accept wipes
mossy peak
technically you could even drop it like 4 feet away from the raid
the reason you go far out at all is for mine timings
and so folks have a heads up on the spikes
this isn't me saying do that btw lol
just that theres no strict rule that pushes you that far out
trim trench
we tried simplifying the instructions for that tank since he's a returning player
also, the distance -> raid damage thing.
but we didn't want to correct course along the way too much
well thanks
will pass info along
jagged pier
Just make sures hes 1 tile in
U can make it where he stood but the timing is just to close
1 tile in its ez
mossy peak
yep
trim trench
yeah he could've been 1 tile diagonally towards the center
and the ball wouldn't have spawned on his head
aight thanks for your time gentlemen!
pastel sleet
Any use case for shattering throw in a dungeon?
blazing condor
yes
mossy peak
see a bubble, pop a bubble
blazing condor
^ basically
Hakkar: You can skip his phase entirely if you time it right because the shield itself "loads up"
NW: The Cleaver dudes who do the shield as well as last boss' shield
SOA: Goliaths doing recharge
think those are the more common ones
pastel sleet
I remember in season 1. As arms, shattering throw did less than ms or execute even against a shield. Ill add it to one of my action bars. Thanks
blazing condor
the only one you can really insta-break is the blood barrier for Hakkar
if timed correctly
the rest just deal big damage
its p nice to have on last boss NW tho
pastel sleet
Cool ty
craggy pilot
Probably most beneficial is Hakkar
It's so satisfying to pull off
Just start casting when his blood thing has 1.5s cast remaining
pastel sleet
Sitting here in bed thinking about how to make room for shattering throw… 28 key binds for prot warrior. Its insane
craggy pilot
🤔
pastel sleet
Crazy
craggy pilot
Never counted my keybindings 😅
blazing condor
i got a good system for it though so it doesnt really affect me
pastel sleet
Yeah im not even running stormbolt
craggy pilot
I have like 34 without mount keybindings
pastel sleet
14 on my mouse. 11 around my wasd. 3 on my left thumb. 1 is even opie for more stuff, like mount/consumes…
craggy pilot
14 on mouse kekw
pastel sleet
Are all specs like this?
pastel sleet
Scroll wheel bind big nice
craggy pilot
Autowalk i have F1
craggy pilot
Lul
blazing condor
i walk with my mouse tho so
craggy pilot
I just use mouse for movement
blazing condor
chad
craggy pilot
I could tell you my bindings, but I'm leftie so not sure it would help 😅
blazing condor
i just have 123qweasdzxc and then shift + alt on those
hearty terrace
When do you play AM over HR
jagged pier
When u dont need the extra blocked hits
Which is any content that isnt a 24 or higher key
hearty terrace
Ah sweet! AM it is
jagged pier
Am isnt just for more dps
blazing condor
more SW
jagged pier
More sw
More rage
Well maybe not anymore actually
But its more fun
And less brain dead
median tulip
I love my AM. It's great for having Avatar on every pull, gives me great threat front-loading.
bright flax
I'm proud of myself and ashamed of myself at the same time rn
on one hand I had a decent (I think) uptime on SB
on the other hand I mitigated less than 50% of dmg
I might be sitting too much on SW and SR baah
ye from wowanalyzer I'm definitely sitting on SR, could have used it for pool soaking in p3
jagged pier
Wowanalyzer isnt supported anymore as far i can remeber its not a good source
bright flax
the checklist I take with a huge grain of salt, but the suggestions are good enough to take a quick look no?
ionic fern
the checklist I take with a huge grain of salt, but the suggestions are good eno...
It doesn't take a lot of things like Legendaries etc into consideration.
bright flax
things like this for guardian that is ST
median tulip
So do Shield Slam, Ravager and Spear of Bastion, all of which have a higher priority
ionic fern
is abelito slacking
He isn't dealing with WoWAnalyzer anymore .
bright flax
So do Shield Slam, Ravager and Spear of Bastion, all of which have a higher prio...
but it makes sense, I often spam revenge instead of using TC, bad habit I got into
jagged pier
So do Shield Slam, Ravager and Spear of Bastion, all of which have a higher prio...
On ST u dont have rav
And spear is a 55 sec cd
So theres a lot time where u dont use it
blazing condor
you can also TC even if there's nothing to hit inbetween phases or w/e
if you need rage
elfin nova
on the other hand I mitigated less than 50% of dmg
Most of the damage you take on sylvanas is the p3 magic dot so i wouldn't stress the mitigated % much (or at all)
craggy pilot
You should check % hits blocked instead
elfin nova
Also those melees you are looking at are from intermission adds. You should be looking to block 100% of the physical hits from heartseeker
craggy pilot
If it's sylv fight you can also SR one of the heartseekers
You still get the debuff but no dmg
bright flax
work meeting atm, I will post the log so you can help me with major stuff a bit later, thanks
polar panther
i tried tanking for the first time in a while, man that leggy is busted
polar panther
hr?
craggy pilot
Were you solo tanking?
99% uptime on shield Block should not be necessary in raid 🤔
Or is this m+?
If m+ then you shouldn't go HR 😅
ionic fern
HR is not a BAD choice. It does what it's supposed to do, and does it well.
craggy pilot
But AM does very similar, but higher deeps
HR is for lazy unfun playstyle, AM is for Chad prot player 😅
Or HR for chonkers high keys
bright flax
so this would be a log where I thought I did pretty good but surely there's flaws (like stupid low effective SB) but I was actually focusing
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/F2NAJ4WwkfrRGD73#fight=29&type=damage-taken&source=13
cyan onyx
Thats whats mine look like tbh. I've had one fight where I blocked more than like 51% hits :/
warm condor
i get like 86% uptime on sb with hr and 67% with am-- both with reprisal and i have no idea how people get 80% uptime with am
bright flax
unlike this, from yesterday where I was more casually playing and its way easier to see where my bad habits are
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3QjK1zGkmcnWbhag/#fight=3&type=damage-taken&source=13
warm condor
i get like 86% uptime on sb with hr and 67% with am-- both with reprisal and i h...
in m+
bright flax
I do think I'm failing hard with mitigation tho
strong forum
i get like 86% uptime on sb with hr and 67% with am-- both with reprisal and i h...
Not uptime, blocked hits
Biiiig difference
warm condor
MAD
craggy pilot
so this would be a log where I thought I did pretty good but surely there's flaw...
62% blocked here
Should be 90%
246 ilvl tho holy shit
Why are you doing heroic ? 😅
bright flax
because we keep lacking people to prog mythic
blazing condor
bright flax
and it was hard to convince them to let me take the paladin yday
raiding on niche hours kinda sucks
cyan onyx
So, how do you guys improve your blocked hit %? I'm trying to focus hard on SB uptime with boss, and I've gone from like 40% blocked hits to 55% or so but like, damn 80% + seems impossible haha
"Get gud" I guess
jagged pier
If hes about to use a mechanic dont use it
bright flax
So, how do you guys improve your blocked hit %? I'm trying to focus hard on SB u...
on my quest to improve that, I notice that a lot of times I use SB when not needed or dont have enough rage for a SB that comes off cd
those are the 2 main things I'm trying to improve other than pressing more TC instead of Revenge and better SR uses
craggy pilot
I don't even think about it too much and I'm 80%+
I just wait until i need to taunt, pop 2 Sb and intervene
blazing condor
yeah just weave charges when you dont got SB up
make sure you got rage for SB when you need it
craggy pilot
Then u good for a long time
cyan onyx
Ah. Okay, so im pushing the button too much basically
craggy pilot
But just 2 Sb -> intervene then Sb is ready again
jagged pier
Charge, block
craggy pilot
Ye leap+charge
jagged pier
Then i dont use second charge till the buff has almost gone
And if the boss is casting u wait
craggy pilot
I really like being the one starting, as you're really tanky in start because you charge + avatar
jagged pier
Sludge was so nice
But honestly its not that hard its literally comes down to using your eyes and looking at what the boss it doing
bright flax
I have a lot of bad habits, i see i can revenge i do it, i see i have sb i do it
Its passable for heroic or content I overgear but if it gets rough I can struggle
I also imagine the healers end up taking the bulk of my mistakes, less dps time for them, and it compounds into a bigger issue than it might seem
cyan onyx
Yeah I need to get out of the "if I can press a button I should" mentality from fury lol
polar panther
Were you solo tanking?
its was a 16 pf
craggy pilot
HR seems a bit overkill then
blazing condor
play whatever build you want
just make sure you understand why people play certain builds
what you gain from it / lose from it
polar panther
oh i understand it, but i am lazy on my offspecs and play whatever is easiest and doesnt require too much management
sick sentinel
i'll get to chose between a 239 reward from +9 sd or 233 i think from +2 nw
literally anything with a bigger ilvl than 213all i need
blazing condor
mellow bridge
you dont get to choose rewards from only those dungeons
lime urchin
If only it would work that way 😮
obtuse monolith
10 DoS runs a week 
cyan onyx
Just out of curiosity, how much DPS are ya'll pulling in an average key? I know it's not super important im just curious
ionic fern
Just out of curiosity, how much DPS are ya'll pulling in an average key? I know ...
Anything between 5k-7k depending on the dungeon/group key level.
obtuse monolith
If your 4th highest is a +2 I think that reward is only 226 btw so hopefully the first slot is better for you
jagged pier
5.8k-7.5k depending key
sick sentinel
literally anything but a ring is going to be instant giga upgrade fo rme
ionic fern
literally anything but a ring is going to be instant giga upgrade fo rme
You're gonna get a ring.
obtuse monolith
Bigger pulls (without dying) are going to give you more DPS. I’m 4-6k depending on group w mostly 239 gear.
Good healer = pull harder
sick sentinel
soft loom
What percentage should I be aiming for with Sb?
ionic fern
What percentage should I be aiming for with Sb?
No set percentage.
In m+ scenarios when playing with Reprisal + AM - 75%+
When playing with Reprisal+HR - 90%+
For your average key level atleast.
sick sentinel
i thought heavy reprecussion talent was a meme
ionic fern
Yesh, effective uptime.
ionic fern
i thought heavy reprecussion talent was a meme
It's not a meme. It's good at what it does.
Just that the majority of people shouldn't need it.
sick sentinel
typically the pick that row for m+ is AM/bolster right
ionic fern
Swap Bolster for either HR or AM and you're golden.
HR gains value with Reprisal due to..well more "default" SB up-time meaning more chances to extend the existing SB.
obtuse monolith
I basically never run bolster, but you are undergeared so I understand what you’re going for. Thing w reprisal giving so much block uptime is the block from bolster doesn’t help much
sick sentinel
i also just like defensive in general for any game
hard to do anything if you are dead
ionic fern
Play the class correctly and you'll have all the defensives you need.
sick sentinel
hit a button 15 seconds of bliss more hp, yup.... im about that
obtuse monolith
More damage reduction >> bigger hp pool tho. Mega-defensive imo would be Wall & AM for SW every ~90s rather than LS every 120.
But Reprisal is the way for keys, regardless
karmic plinth
with HR you'll get more effective damage reduction than you will from bolster
obtuse monolith
A Grim Codex in my vault again you mean?
modern brook
eu friends help how do i make this noise:
ÿ
plush tendon
My Tuesdays are great. 1) Drop the Puppy off at camp (now she wont annoy me when I get home cause she'll be tired) 2) Burrito Day! 3) Open my Vault when I get home! 4) Raid Reclear!
karmic plinth
eu friends help how do i make this noise:
ÿ
you can say it like uuuuuuuuu
but shorter
modern brook
is that u like but or u like cute
karmic plinth
cute
modern brook
so would uÿu be pronounced uuuuuuuuuuuuuu?
karmic plinth
what language are you seeing it in
obtuse monolith
yeah, i'm gunna be hard pressed to find a replacement for that any time soon
You don’t have a 230 BoE? Replace that neck once servers come back. Quick Oxxein Necklace or whatever it’s called
karmic plinth
with a lil glottal stop in it
strong forum
My Tuesdays are great. 1) Drop the Puppy off at camp (now she wont annoy me when...
My Tuesdays are also great 1) come home! 2) have to do none of that 3) go to bed
modern brook
with a lil glottal stop in it
good enough for me ❤️ tyty
plush tendon
But burrito day is great
strong forum
Ya but raid
sick sentinel
@obtuse monolithi was manily using it because it A it dropped for me, and B cuz its only m+/lfr haste/versa (any prio) i could get
if i can get acess to another one with haste, i'm gunna go for it this week, the one ur talking about is auction house?
lime urchin
why is there such a massive influx of people talking about HR? me no comprendre
correct me if I am wrong, but this wasnt a thing a couple of weeks ago
obtuse monolith
AH, 230. Haste one starts with “quick” in the name and you can find Vers for the secondary. 230 H/V w socket for more haste is better itemized than a 239 raid or m+ drop
karmic plinth
why is there such a massive influx of people talking about HR? me no comprendre
people copying what the top 1% do without knowing why
modern brook
correct me if I am wrong, but this wasnt a thing a couple of weeks ago
ppl arealways talking about random secret shit
Prot warrior is one of those unga bunga specs
where everyone thinks theres some uber secret to performing
and the reality is you just use the fucking shield
and none of your deicsions are impactful with respect to one another
sick sentinel
its "you need to stack more versatility" all over again from bfa and probably legion
but that still exists too in sl
strong forum
It's a discussion everytime in every discord
modern brook
Turns out people are cowards :^(
strong forum
Turns out people are pretty fucking stupid
People have yet to reach levels where surv is an issue
sick sentinel
hyper intelligent super lucky monkies
it's important to remember that before expecting more
strong forum
People are reaching levels where dps is a bigger issue than survivability
modern brook
Well i mean
strong forum
I was expecting for people to reach that level around 29s/30s more than 27s
modern brook
8s are surv issue when u dont block with the shield
sick sentinel
thing is, dps in a sense, is the ONLY thing that matters in a raid/key
sick sentinel
if you just delete things in 3 seconds trash, wtf, you don't even take any damage from anything, onlything that stops you from that point is how quickly you can get to next trash pull
modern brook
and there arent many specs where thats true
Like if you're global locked as a prot warrior
you're top 75% prot warriors by default
just because ur doing more
and not trying to big brain the encounter
like the number of people who complain about Threat issues has gone down
but when ti was big
openers were like
charge -> ip ->shout -> blame eye beam for dead dps
polar panther
is there a way to see the blocked % on details?
modern brook
is there a way to see the blocked % on details?
not in details
polar panther
or do i need to log for that?
modern brook
gotta log, yeah 😦
polar panther
damn
obtuse prism
waait, i thought are opener is charge -> tc -> shout?
sick sentinel
main things i wish was i could see specifically only when i blocked an attack, and if 100% block effect was/is up or not
i remembe nome said to use some addon and i tried it but i couldn't get it to do what i was trying for
modern brook
waait, i thought are opener is charge -> tc -> shout?
opener should be charge revenge -> cds; the one i listed was an example of a very bad opener I've seen often from people complaining about threat issues on the spec
plush tendon
I gotta ask; in raid when using BV and Reprisal, what is your generally opening sequence as Kyrian?
modern brook
charge -> ip ->shout -> blame eye beam for dead dps
i was going somewhere with this rant but idont remember so sorry 😦
plush tendon
I overcap on rage, and thats bad
modern brook
I overcap on rage, and thats bad
just ip again
plush tendon
D:
modern brook
you're running AM right?
plush tendon
boooo IP boooo
sick sentinel
i do avtar, charge, ravager, revenge > whatever
plush tendon
yes
modern brook
i do avtar, charge, ravager, revenge > whatever
yeah thats fine
plush tendon
I mean, opening aint bad in M+ cause no BV 40 rage
modern brook
your goal opening any generic pack is literally just use CDs w/o rage capping and get/keep SB up
obtuse prism
opener should be charge revenge -> cds; the one i listed was an example of a ver...
I mean I get threat issues too - when the arbitrary ranged spec decides to focus the straggling mob that is still coming iin the pull - but I'll try charce -> revenge -> cds
modern brook
that just sounds like an issue with grouping more so than with threat
obtuse prism
it is, im shit at grouping mobs well
modern brook
Its something prot warrior has historically struggled with; grouping for us requires a lot of LoS / support from your healer/dps to do as well as other (DK/DH) tanks in many cases - watching good prot wars like Sense / Plka / other people who stream or youtube and can use this time to plug themselves and seeing how they handle it helps with this a lot
obtuse monolith
This started as a raid pull / BV question right? I Hthrow charge revenge, then BV Ava Spear.
If the first revenge doesn’t get the BV/Ava benefit i don’t care that much because Spear and the first SS will.
I save Demo Shout on some bosses like Eye tho because if you do it on pull it won’t be back for Deathlink.
elfin nova
You should charge BV (80 rage) SB IP (10 rage) avatar (as the global is ending) spear
Then you realise shield slam does more damage on st than revenge and you just say fuck it and overcap rage
sick sentinel
how does getting socket gear for domination sockets work
elfin nova
Do raid bosses
strong forum
The full opener should be ravager > charge + avatar > TC > shout/spear/revenge
sick sentinel
oh, so only for raider
strong forum
For m+
elfin nova
The question was about raid
strong forum
For raid its hugely front loaded in terms of rage
elfin nova
But yeah also what was said about m+ was wrong, you definitely shouldn't ravager after avatar
strong forum
Raid is like, bag of tricks > taunt + charge+ shout(when close enough)+ avatar >SS/spear
Smth like that
Throw in an IP/SB there aswell to avoid rage capping
Since taunt, charge and avatar off global you gotta press alot of buttons
obtuse monolith
You should charge BV (80 rage) SB IP (10 rage) avatar (as the global is ending) ...
Charge BV and a full global before a threat ability? IMO gotta get some skin on boss in the first global
strong forum
Taunt should take care of that
strong forum
Keep in mind folks, taunt increases threat generated by 4 times
So you wanna taunt on pull on bosses to make sure you get actual threat in
While the dps are bursting their assed off
blazing condor
taunt > charge > demo > avatar > spear
bright flax
Keep in mind folks, taunt increases threat generated by 4 times
Cotank got annoyed he couldnt hold aggro from my undergeared vent pala. Started using taunt on cd until swap mechanics. Also shouting at me that I have to be taunting and cant overaggro him. Was a lovely interaction
sturdy sable
Shoulda poped wings
bright flax
I popped all the shit, too bad he has 252 pulsating heart but thinks ilvl is enough 🤷♂️
modern brook
lmao
modern brook
im lmaoing at ppl thinking the solution to not being able to hold off the other tank is having the other tank do less
sanguine can ligma tbh
fuck that affix
sweet summit
who is ligma
blazing condor
who is steve jobs
sweet summit
its the microsoft man
blazing condor
oh you mean Steve vista?
modern brook
Larry Vista here with a new windows operating system: Windows 11; we remembered how to count
blazing condor
after 10 comes 11 edition
plush tendon
I thought the next Windows was Windows XD
blazing condor
more like losedows!!!
sick sentinel
the plaguefall cape at 236 is what i got, so i have haste and versa again, other option was a 226 helm haste versa, vs a 220 haste matery one
sick sentinel
necrotic is so easy
just bring a frost mage and or paladin
have the paladin bop you on command and macro it away
frost mage to perma slow them so you run away
jagged pier
Just dont bring any of that and play correctly
We are the only tank that doesnt rely on being healed for mitigation
sweet summit
grave crane
We can’t block the necrotic correct? But can parry it?
sweet summit
you can parry auto attacks, which in turn does not apply necrotic
but necrotic does not care about block
grave crane
That’s what I meant
sweet summit
sweet summit
blazing condor
now everybody's key is ruined
blazing condor
hey guys how much crit do i need to tank 25s this week
plush tendon
At least 30%
blazing condor
ok ty