which i probably will
#protection
blazing condor
strong forum
ya same
blazing condor
yep exactly
sweet summit
WEAKLINGS
blazing condor
yes son im fucking gaming
man if wow is still around when im old enough to have kids
i wont let them touch that shit
rather when my kids are old enough to play
blazing condor
so does invis on belt share cd with pot now?
craggy pilot
anyone know if 2 inspiring are next to each other, are they both immune, or not?
fathom turtle
hey prot guys. im new to kyrean. do you have to use mika for m+? since its also the soulbind to go for m+ arms i hoped i can do for example pelagos?^^
fathom turtle
oh nice
obtuse monolith
All Mika all the time 
lusty marsh
why do they seem to be favoring prot for mists?
not that I'm complaining, it's just weird to just use it for that dungeon.
strong forum
we're really strong in mists, but idk honestly
sweet summit
@strong forum come tank hc
strong forum
have ID
sweet summit
what
jagged pier
hes saved
sweet summit
@jagged pier come
jagged pier
im saved
strong forum
i did 10/10 on wednesday 
lusty marsh
same
jagged pier
LUL
sweet summit
🏃
lusty marsh
I'm a traiterous dh this patch, think my war is 226
lusty marsh
I'm busy gearing a disc priest because my healers are all pretending they have lives
pastel sleet
Watching mdi run booming voice instead of BSC for more damage.
I thought bsc was got to for big dam? Can someone explain
strong forum
bsc is bigger ovall
BV is more boss dmg and burst dmg
and nobody is playing reprisla
lusty marsh
ancient aftershock leggo
strong forum
so far theyve been playing EM and NF
craggy pilot
for the dmg?
strong forum
21s
lusty marsh
21-23
jagged pier
21s
craggy pilot
ah well then i get why they dont do Reprisal 😄
pastel sleet
Would have thought seismic would have been the go to.
jagged pier
its not good for boss damage
lusty marsh
I can do 15s, I think they are a little above my skill level
think highest i've done is 17 so far
craggy pilot
now its just watching people doing 150k dps in a key level theyre out geared by a mile
jagged pier
thats what MDI has always been
craggy pilot
thought TGP was called MDI: TGP
strong forum
no
jagged pier
nope
craggy pilot
ah rip
strong forum
TGP was a 1 time thing
jagged pier
the great push is something new with expansion
jagged pier
no cause they do boring shit like that PF in season 1
craggy pilot
much more relatable to watch
yeye that PF shit got fixed tho
dung abuse needs to be in the rules tho
watching MDI and its literally just 20k dps on everyone wtf
why is this event a thing
so dumb to watch
mighty valley
you'd rather watch something that looks like your own keys?
lusty marsh
the only cool thing was the gorechomp boss snap in ToP
jagged pier
because doing a 28 is so relatable
mighty valley
i watch enough of my own keys
craggy pilot
nah not rly relatable, but the routes are more relatable
MDI is more like "pull entire dung, and AOE"
mighty valley
pull one pack and aoe is more fun to watch?
craggy pilot
at least where the mobs are equally dangerous to their gear
this is just like watching me as 240 ilvl run HC dungeon
mighty valley
it's a +22, what are you running rn?
jagged pier
☝️
craggy pilot
ofc they are good
but seems like its not putting their skill enough to the test
unlike TGP did
strong forum
?!
craggy pilot
was so much more entertaining
strong forum
TGP was better because it was a marathon
not a singular dungeon race
the dungeons themselves were much more boring
craggy pilot
dont they play a BO3 in MDI or?
strong forum
yes but its not a marathon
like its entirely different
TGP was 3x 5hrs time to push the highest keys you could, as fast as possible
when 4-8 teams at a time competed nonstop
it wasnt a dungeon to dungeon basis
this right now is who can do the dungeon the fastest, pull the most efficient and do the most damage
on 1 dungeon basis
craggy pilot
well TGP is also about pulling efficiently and doing a lot of dmg
strong forum
not on a 1 dungeon basis
craggy pilot
but even if you got more than one chance, you still have a time limit?
jagged pier
the amount of CC and inturpts u have to do on the bigs pulls is insane
craggy pilot
so if you mess up a run, it would be difficult to redo it
strong forum
you have the time limit of 15hrs total
jagged pier
u can do alot in 15 hours
strong forum
vs, if you fuck up once, you likely lost the match
jagged pier
☝️
strong forum
its an entirely different format
craggy pilot
how was the time limit 15hrs, was it all keys in same Affixes or?
strong forum
yes
craggy pilot
do they need to do all 8 on Tyran + Fort?
craggy pilot
ah ok
strong forum
and whichever team got the highest possible key done across all keys, won
every key started at 24
i think
craggy pilot
ah so they had to push them themself?
strong forum
yes
craggy pilot
so if they fuck up one, they have to push it up again
strong forum
no
they have to unlock it once
then they can spam try that key
keys didnt de-level
strong forum
but if you didnt time the key, you wasted a ton of time
because its a marathon
MDI is "practice this key on 1 specific level to perfection to speedrun it as fast as possible in the hopes your enemy team cant complete it faster"
its entirely different
mighty valley
what was prot warrior picked for? i wasn't watching earlier
strong forum
probably battleshout
blazing condor
TGP >>>>>>>> MDI
mdi is cool for like the first few dungeons
when you get to see all the whacky strats
but hten its just "lets see which teams can do the same strats faster"
marble jackal
hey best stats for reprisal for m+ only ?
thanks in advance
marble jackal
i thought you go crit versa in m+
marble jackal
so best stats are haste versa for m+
strong forum
defensively yes
marble jackal
but if you wanna go more offensive
strong forum
haste crit if you wanna pump
^
marble jackal
thank you very much
have a nice day
blazing condor
is it ever worth skipping ghosts in TOP? been doing it a lot but apparently people dont know how to avoid tornados
so it feels like its no value
sick sentinel
if you reach what is it, 36-38% haste, you can have infinity shield block?
sick sentinel
i thought the way it worked was its a 12s uptime maybe? and if you get to 38% its like a 14s cd
err
strong forum
you only get 1 charge per CD rotation
not 2
so you need to reduce the CD to 6seconds, to have perma uptime of raw SB
if you have 30% haste, SBs CD is 12 seconds
pastel sleet
Heavy repercussions + reprisal allows for massive SB uptime without massive haste. Or at least thats been my experience
pastel sleet
Its nutty
sick sentinel
whats m0 dropping these days
sick sentinel
213 i could 100% use, thats what most of my gear was upgraded to with valor
cuz, i didn't get all the 15s
mighty valley
210
sick sentinel
yeah, i got a 220 pwar and a 190 mage, i could for sure use gear upgrade on mage
valid plover
Hi guys! Best covenant for prot warriors? 🙂
craggy pilot
236 (potential 246) Death Gods Signet vs 230 craftable haste/vers with haste socket?
strong forum
236 (potential 246) Death Gods Signet vs 230 craftable haste/vers with haste soc...
craftable
strong forum
Hi guys! Best covenant for prot warriors? 🙂
kyrian or nightfae, both are equally as good
craggy pilot
even if its 246 Death Gods?
strong forum
the fact that you can have big haste + crit/vers + socket makes it better
if deathgod didnt have mastery, it would be better
strong forum
id say socket
craggy pilot
damn Scale + Aegis felt like overkill for DOS 18
feels bad running 2 tank trinkets, and not rly having to press them all dung :<
craggy pilot
i did it on DOS Fort
strong forum
like straight up too much
sick sentinel
this is what i got going on atm haven't played in a while
everythings scuffed still bars not set up
this is gear + stats i got
frosty holly
sick sentinel
yeah, going to try to go as few addons as i can this time around not all of them but a few sure
novel lotus
Something similar to facecheck/porofessor but for m+
indigo knot
How can I control the platform that muezala teleports the group to after totem phase? IE to do the first skipped pack with the haste buff stacked on boss
lime urchin
it finally happened.
strong forum
How can I control the platform that muezala teleports the group to after totem p...
the boss will always land on the platform where you enter the dungeon if you kill all the totems
you can only force to land somewhere else if you dont 1phase him
indigo knot
That is conflicting info from another answer i got:
it picks one of the platforms that's between more players
Also ive tested that, it doesnt send you back to 1st platform in a 1 phase
I thought it did, but it didnt for our grp which is why im trying to find the correct way to do it
gloomy cradle
Why would you want to? Unless you’re missing count or you’re killing a leftover pack there’s no benefit to one over the other
indigo knot
skip first pack with slow fall then pull it into boss with haste buff
common mdi strat
time saver
brazen python
hi guys, can someone confirm that fatescribe enrage is just a huge load of melee damage or is it a raid explosion?
lofty widget
yes its just more melee damage, the raid explosion is just from ppl not doing the looms fast enough
brazen python
ok ty.
there are apparently ppl out there that cleared him on mythic and think the raid explosion is a 10min enrage in LFR
brazen python
so does that mean that even 3Heads can clear mythic bosses now? xD
strong forum
always could
lol
Mythic raiding isnt hard
50-80% of raiders are boosted monkeys
sweet summit
True
elfin nova
you're gonna die to failing rings way before you don't have damage to kill the boss on mythic fatescribe
craggy pilot
anyone know the WA that shows stuff like Ocular Gland on Player frames?
distant crystal
I don't think it's a weakaura
craggy pilot
is it just elvui?
distant crystal
just debuff tracking, if you're referring to the negative buff
it shows in my elvui profile but i think I'm using an old copy of JB's profile
idk if it's there in the default
strong forum
i removed all white/blacklists from elvui
craggy pilot
just saw it when Naowh was healing
craggy pilot
i dont have elvui tho 😦
strong forum
then you should see it
strong forum
ya
craggy pilot
ah maybe because i have "Display only dispellable debuffs"
strong forum
ya
sick sentinel
what counts as "loss of control" against me
or what doesn't that i might think does
hollow sun
???
sick sentinel
hollow sun
feel old yet?
hollow sun
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=351147/path-of-the-devoted
stun, disorient, etc
snares shouldn't count
cursive tree
im having a huge dilemna and im hoping for some help from you god warriors
... my main was a prot warrior since vanilla until about legion where i started to play around with druid/warlock
i got back into him in shadowlands and race changed him to HMT..
My guild doesnt really need a tank so arms/fury for bs would be better however i really feel confined in prot. Would it be better to just reroll a new troll/orc warrior for dps and keep my main prot as he always has? or am i insane
raven sluice
u r insane
cursive tree
fair
cursive tree
i feel stuck in soulbind/covenant/lego
sturdy sable
Go kyrian or nf
cursive tree
ya i am
cursive tree
best fury lego is sinful
sturdy sable
So we are all cucked in that regard
cursive tree
ya it just feels bad... lol
sturdy sable
Yep
9.1.5 will help some
But untill then enjoy your mobile esk energy tied to player power in your premium monthly subscription game
cursive tree
hey i love paying to beta test a game for 15 years
raven sluice
go Nfae, play arms in raids, fury in m+. Stay spiked cow race thingy. Job done
vapid berry
im having a huge dilemna and im hoping for some help from you god warriors
... m...
yeah race dont matter im vulpera arms in raid. Only reason for that is the nose for trouble racial in m+ where I tank most the time does insane amount of over all healing and helps make starting pulls smoother
fading dirge
Finally got Aegis, am I right in feeling like Defense Matrix is better for single target fights? (I know people said Aegis is awesome in mythic+ and I can see that)
torpid junco
I’m doing 20’s easily and am pretty geared. What’s the best way for me to optimize to help carry friends through 15’s? I’m assuming changing things to do more dam?
empty spindle
I see they’re running prot warriors in the MDI
modern brook
Yup
vapid berry
I’m doing 20’s easily and am pretty geared. What’s the best way for me to optimi...
whar ur wearing is probs fine otherwise try to get more haste and crit for more dam
stray hemlock
Which team has the prot war at mdi?
hearty terrace
Hey dose NF OR Kryaon do more DPS in keys
torpid junco
Kyrian
gloomy cradle
I’m doing 20’s easily and am pretty geared. What’s the best way for me to optimi...
Just swap around trinkets
lavish oracle
@stray hemlock I don't know if any of them ran warrior in time trials but I saw Dorki and crew practicing ToP with prot warrior
Incarnation, I should say
obtuse prism
I think i saw sheesh and teamname run prot in top today - wow youtube has vods up
hearty terrace
@torpid junco how much dps ?
obtuse monolith
Finally got Aegis, am I right in feeling like Defense Matrix is better for singl...
Matrix will pump more damage single target (w good reduction too) but Aegis has use cases even in single target. It eats up small rapid hits like Heartseeker on Sylvanas, Deathlink hit and dot, or combo on Guardian
wide pilot
for ppl with aegis. Do you notice a big dif with than before you had it in m+? Havnt been lucky enough to get my hands on one yet
sturdy sable
Shoulda executed harder
sacred timber
sturdy sable
I stand by my earlier statement
novel lotus
Boss dying is active mitigation 🙂
sturdy sable
That hunter is something else tho
sacred timber
cause the rogue was averaging 4.5k dps and didnt interrupt all the way up to gorechop
....as rogue
you know....
sturdy sable
Well
sacred timber
the class with like 14 different interrupts
sacred timber
I just want a damn key group again
sturdy sable
I feel you on that
sacred timber
I literally failed a +19 MoTS today
our group was boomy, resto druid, blood, arms, marks
because our boomie died during lust phase on first boss
and no one rez'd him for 3:30....
so it took us 6 fucking minutes to kill ingra
sturdy sable
Is he venthyr
sturdy sable
Lol
sacred timber
he wouldnt have died if he was nf
sturdy sable
Nope
sacred timber
to busy jerking off his venthyr wee wee to actually dodge the neon blue circles i guess
but like.... we had engie rest druid
and a dk
so what is that... 4 brezs?
and no one rezd him for 3 minutes
not to mention wheelchair tank cant move boss
wide pilot
Imagine playing a rogue without playing a rogue
median tulip
The number of players who don't play their class beyond the DPS abilities is staggering
weary sentinel
The number of players who don't play their class beyond the DPS abilities is sta...
1000000000%
I beat basically everyone but prot pallies in interrupts in every key. (Although I had two different prot pallies the other do do like 7 interrupts total, whole run, was pretty amazed)
median tulip
How much Haste do we want to as Prot?
As much as you can get, but don't sacrifice Primary Stat to get it. It's ok to downgrade rings and necklace to get Haste
hearty terrace
Hey guys new ish to prot wanna ask about coverdents why would you pick Kryain over NF what is better for what an so on
wild ermine
As much as you can get, but don't sacrifice Primary Stat to get it. It's ok to d...
Even past 40%?
median tulip
Even past 40%?
If you're pushing 40% then IDK, maybe some other stats would help you more
weary sentinel
wtf is your vers if 40% haste
hearty terrace
I'd rather vers cap then hast that high
weary sentinel
Do healers hate you in 20+
wild ermine
Idk
median tulip
Hey guys new ish to prot wanna ask about coverdents why would you pick Kryain ov...
Kyrian has two big advantages; an additional personal cooldown heal (that also clears a variety of negative status effects), and a big trucking damage spear that also tethers for kiting purposes
wild ermine
I havne't done a 20+
hearty terrace
@median tulip but I thought NF HAS THAT big dps plus an kick talking only keys here
wild ermine
So no idea but my main concern was if I upgraded this ring
weary sentinel
Good ring, but may want to add vers in other places
median tulip
Versa isn't that important for keys
Stitchflesh's Misplaced Signet is an excellent tanking ring though
hearty terrace
Why do you say it's not? Lol an base Dr on everything coming in is amazing ko matter what tank you are
median tulip
Remember that Versa only has half the listed value for defensive purposes
Also Crit and Mastery also have defensive components
hearty terrace
Yes but it also gives more flat dam then both mastery and crit
I'd go vers hast over hast vers
lavish oracle
for ppl with aegis. Do you notice a big dif with than before you had it in m+? H...
it's not as big as people make it seem, it can be really noticeable in some dungeons but usually it's right around the same strength as scale
sacred timber
lol I joined a group called "+16 for completion" with a 2100 healer trying to help his 224 friend get gear and we timed the key with like 7 min left XD. The 224 Frost DK did more dmg than the fucking 239 rogue in my last key lol
median tulip
That healer should be doing more damage though
median tulip
Lol ok
median tulip
Why Signet over Seismic?
median tulip
Fair
craggy pilot
Signet yet only 5.7k DPS? 🤔
vapid berry
it's not as big as people make it seem, it can be really noticeable in some dung...
the big difference between aegis and scale is that aegis is shorter cd AND it will always last for the full 8 seconds. Scale is 2 minute cd and can lose its shield before in the first few seconds @wide pilot
craggy pilot
anyone know how this works?
vapid berry
yeah it ticks up to 3 stacks for 15 seconds before doing it again
jagged pier
its a perma 3% damage increase basically
ember lodge
what do you guys think about pelagos instead of miki for raid ST fights
jagged pier
its worse
ember lodge
given that the spear cd is not shortened considerably
jagged pier
so dont use him
ember lodge
and the 350 mastery seems to be decent with the additional block rate / dam
vapid berry
ye ok, just saw some people using the shield one
shield one felt neat to me for a bit but I like the extra endurance socket for the heal on damage taken thing
jagged pier
and a lot of raid fights are multi target
jagged pier
yer some of them dont
craggy pilot
he going 2 potency as well 🤔
vapid berry
that guys like troll tbh
jagged pier
hes got organ equiped
vapid berry
or hes not really sure what to do
jagged pier
i wont bother looking at him tbh
craggy pilot
he did recent 19 spires with Organ+Aegis tho
craggy pilot
no Unnerving Focus, no Stalwart Guardian 
auto phial for 2 Potency
and i guess Empowered Piercing Verdict with Mika for the extra deeps
jagged pier
its like extra 20 dps
craggy pilot
how do i get my Piercing Verdict above 200 ilvl btw? Without doing the Stygia upgrade shit
jagged pier
adamant vaults
craggy pilot
its like extra 20 dps
jagged pier
korthia rep
craggy pilot
thats torghast?
jagged pier
yes
craggy pilot
rip me 😦
jagged pier
u can go kill sire
craggy pilot
i only do M+ and Sanctum raid
jagged pier
craggy pilot
oh he drops it 213 kekw
jagged pier
so u kill him on mythic
craggy pilot
what about Condensed Anima Sphere?
jagged pier
same as before
craggy pilot
doesnt drop anywhere?
craggy pilot
damn Stalwart Guardian only drops in Tazavesh
have everything 226 except Stalwart Guardian, Indelible Victory, Condensed Anima Sphere and Piercing Verdict :<
vapid berry
doing korthia youll get enough conduit upgrade items and have all 226 real fast just gotta kill rares and get all your treasures
light quartz
Is it true that you can only get 1 conduit upgrade from korthia per day?
wide pilot
For the 226 yea
vapid berry
For the 226? You can get multiple drops a day its just rng
light quartz
Yeah for the 226.
craggy pilot
what do you Lust in spires?
i tried lusting boss 1-2-3, but it never comes back up for 3rd boss
blazing condor
On fort you lust first triple pull (or boss), 2nd boss and last mob before last boss
You can also lust first triple pull, and then make a double pull on the right side platform after 1st boss and lust again
On tyrannical you lust 1st, 2nd and last boss
opaque phoenix
do any horde racials yield any benefits that would justify swapping from nightborne (I chose it for tits and looks) ?
blazing condor
Based
Its generally not worth to switch races cus race-differences are literally so small it doesnt matter
With that said, vulpera’s Nose For Trouble is bis for us with a lot of healing
So its basically: What you enjoy most to look at > vulpera > rest
vapid berry
Vulpera gang
hearty terrace
All about the dwarf gang
cedar spear
Vulpera is only the best for m+ though
blazing condor
It literally doesnt matter
But theres probably some chart on bloodmallet or something showing you what race is bis
urban portal
Not to mention sims don't do defensives
strong forum
like if you choose your race for raiding because of survivability
youre playing the game wrong
urban portal
Ye
strong forum
race is literally the least relevant factor
urban portal
^
strong forum
literally the last thing to look at
blazing condor
No no Nom ive learned the hard way that dps is not good for tanks!!!
We must be full defensives
Only mit
urban portal
To be fair
tranquil sphinx
I can't decide whether I want to be a NF or Kyrian warrior. It's only going to be used in +17-20s M+
urban portal
Sometimes being able to free up 1 gcd from a healer creates more damage overall
Obv that's really hard to quantify
tranquil sphinx
Yeah, I was just wondering if people had any insight between how good the defensive value between kyrian vs NF is
blazing condor
Theyre very equal especially in those key-levels
Its a matter of what you prefer
AA is great in m+
I personally play kyrian
median tulip
Yeah, I was just wondering if people had any insight between how good the defens...
They are really equal, except on Necrotic weeks when Kyrian is clearly massively superior.
Having a button that is marked "this affix can fuck right off" is wonderful
craggy pilot
anyone know of a way to have WA in different positions for different chars?
bright flax
anyone know of a way to have WA in different positions for different chars?
Clone them and enable and disable for the chars you want is a way
warm condor
anyone know of a way to have WA in different positions for different chars?
you can also make conditions that are based on triggers for specific classes. and when that condition is met it moves to a diff place. but i reckon just duplicating and loading them 1 per class is the easiest way of doing so
eager phoenix
Upgrade Reprisal legs to 262 or recraft them on another slot?
median tulip
Legs have the highest stat budget of the two available slots
So unless you for some reason have really bad boots legs is the play
blazing condor
Upgrade Reprisal legs to 262 or recraft them on another slot?
Legs is go to. You get 259 boots from sylvanas so its worth
thorn ether
Are you certain of that? I am decently confident although not 100% that it happened while on the center. It was like 20 seconds into the boss fight.
I will try get the log
Yeap i found it , https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JB4afGKc7Vv8QHxM#fight=2&view=replay Here is the log it happened on 00.36 and i was near the middle. I was the first one to get stunned.
blazing condor
Happens to me in top a lot too no matter where i stand
But i rule it to pugs not knowing how the boss works
Also its only a problem for us when people dont cc her
Aka
Every fucking time
thorn ether
Yeah but it's also frustrating, it's the reason they removed from DOS the big dog to be able to stun tanks. You can't have those rng types of stuns on tanks in m+. On a higher tyrannical ToP 2-3 seconds stun will mean 100% death.
blazing condor
Yeah its dumb
atomic matrix
Hey all, thinking about starting to play again, and I want to start fresh, how are prot warriors doing atm? And is the learning curve okay ish?
sweet summit
<@&257983573498265600>
sweet summit
Hey all, thinking about starting to play again, and I want to start fresh, how a...
prot is doing well, not the best like we were at some points in BFA. but definitely solid enough for all content and very high m+ keys
learning curve isnt too bad, as long as you have a decent grasp of how tanking works
there is a lot of information in this discord and in the icy-veins/wowhead guides
waxen frigate
prot is doing well, not the best like we were at some points in BFA. but definit...
I'm looking into prot for primarily M+ (will probably try to raid heroic for dom sockets). Why is it being used in MDI so much out of curiosity?
sweet summit
check them out and feel free to ask questions here
i have not kept up with the MDI much recently, but as far as i'm aware they play it in ToP and Mists?
waxen frigate
I haven't played 9.1 since week 1 so this sudden rise in Prot Warrior stonks is weird to me
waxen frigate
i have not kept up with the MDI much recently, but as far as i'm aware they play...
Yeah, I believe so. Definitely mists.
sweet summit
those dungeons are great for warrior, block up and take no damage
also warrior damage output is good with kyrian (mikanikos) and reprisal (or seismic. not sure what they play), low cooldown "burst" damage which is great for MDI style pulls
waxen frigate
Ok. Would you say Reprisal would be a good first leggo for M+?
sweet summit
oh it's the best legendary for all content
waxen frigate
👍
sweet summit
you can play seismic reverberations for low keys/keys where you just want to do damage
or the wall on some mythic fights (like eye of the jailer and sylvanas) since the scary parts of those fights are not blockable
atomic matrix
prot is doing well, not the best like we were at some points in BFA. but definit...
Guess all I got left is picking a server then! Thank you a lot!
sweet summit
waxen frigate
Guess all I got left is picking a server then! Thank you a lot!
proudmooooore
atomic matrix
proudmooooore
Is that Eu? 😛
sweet summit
looking at wowrealmpopulation.com i found this
for horde Kazzak/Twisting Nether/Tarren Mill/Draenor
for alliance: Silvermoon/Ravencrest(?)/Sylvanas
but realm/server isnt too important nowadays, unless you plan to raid mythic
(i know most top ravencrest guilds went horde so im not sure how the realm is doing now)
craggy pilot
when should i lust in Sanguine? 🤔
halcyon shard
ravencrest is still ally dominated @sweet summit
argent dawn is also a viable option if you wanna do questionable things
waxen frigate
Is that Eu? 😛
nah, NA lol
sweet summit
NA 👉 🚪 
craggy pilot
2nd boss Sanguine, does he enrage or something while add is up?
like is this normal, through SB?
in a 20
jagged pier
looks like u died to the stuff on the floor
craggy pilot
wdym?
Growing Pride is the AOE of the add?
cant rly avoid that
just a bit confused why the 1st Melee from boss is 4k, 2nd one 21k
craggy pilot
ye, had Affliction warlock who wasnt attacking add
but i guess because his dmg is ramp 🤷
no clue rly
mellow bridge
if youre playing AM, consider trying to save a charge of sb or intervene for when the adds are up
as that's the most scary moment of the fight
craggy pilot
ye ok looks like in my combat log its not blocked
mellow bridge
since the healer has to pump the group
craggy pilot
blocked melee is blocking 14k dmg lol
mellow bridge
taking one or two unblocked hits when no add is up is w/e, the healer can just heal that
but during the add it's spicy
def cds are best used during that time too
lime urchin
Crit block right
lime urchin
Oh
craggy pilot
lime urchin
Sexy
craggy pilot
no clue how crit block looks like in combat log
i have 28% crit block
and i also learned that Sanguine benefits from a Soothe 😄
@jagged pier how would you lust in Sanguine?
blazing condor
im not jakey but on tyrannical just lust 1st boss, 2nd boss and last boss
on fort you can do more spicy lusts where you lust first pull and you pull triple or more
arctic bridge
can someone aid me, I'm not sure which of this is better for m+ and i know its not as simple as doing a dps sim.
the domo sockets aren't optimised for m+ at the moment
empty spindle
Did first prog on mythic soulrender
Anybody got any tips on how to kill the boss easier ? 😛
lime urchin
Make sure the boss it’s health reaches zero before yours does!
plush tendon
Anybody got any tips on how to kill the boss easier ? 😛
Brands on adds super important and dont get hit by
Otherwise its just a reps boss; DPS have to get used to breaking chains when healer CDs are down and the faster you deal with adds, and faster you can relax
patent osprey
Yeap i found it , https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JB4afGKc7Vv8QHxM#fight=2&...
it can def happen even if ur in the cetner if it spawns from the side your most on. Theres noone behind u on that log, so it probably spawned from the north
sweet kayak
Anything good will happen for us regarding removing AOE cap?🤣
sweet summit
Not for now
jagged pier
<@!179993058186625025> how would you lust in Sanguine?
1st 2nd last
blazing condor
sweet summit
Slight nerf is all we got atm
craggy pilot
1st 2nd last
uh nice, didnt know 1st 2nd is possible
loud apex
do we aim to have high as possible ignore pain uptime?
or do we sometimes prio to use revenge over ignore pain
distant crystal
IP uptime isn't a thing to think about
plush tendon
Ignore Pain only when you need it or when you are capping rage
A lot of the times, SB is enough, in which case you want to pump as much rage into revenge
loud apex
thx for answers
blazing condor
SB is our primary focus and our main mitigation
loud apex
yeah i know that
blazing condor
IP is only used if you need more defense and need to dump rage
or if youre in a pure magic fight
90% of the times dumping into revenge will be the right decision
MW healers kinda busted
someone fucked up the first pack skip in TOP
but we managed to live the entire first boss fight and kill the pack
loud apex
how high key
plush tendon
MW throughput is pretty nutty
plush tendon
Then what good is a adjective if its subjective?
blazing condor
20 is good
plush tendon
I mean, a 18 is 3 levels above max rewards
blazing condor
yes
idk i have a bit of a skewed vision
but
its very easy to do base 20s
if you know the dungeons
plush tendon
I mean I agree, a 18 is like a chill run
blazing condor
the """"skill"""" required is quite low
you can basically just hold W and get base 20s if you got good players
plush tendon
I dont know, I dont think thats fair
blazing condor
probably not entirely lol
idk i can only really see it from my lens and from what i feel people should know doing those levels
but since i keep getting disappointed in how shit players are
plush tendon
yea, thats part of the issue
blazing condor
maybe thats bad
and i acknowledge this
thats why i said it was just in my opinion
if you ask the average wow player they will probably say that 17+ is a high key
plush tendon
I mean, we see the horror stories of those weekly 15 keys
or god forbid, the people stuck in the sub 10s
loud apex
the people whos stuck on sub 10s they just dont care at all, i mean with just a bit of focus u can do +10
imo
plush tendon
Dont care or dont know?
loud apex
^
blazing condor
but yeah
i have no real grasp of where the avearge wow player is
in terms of progression
the average wow player definitely hasnt killed sylv
does the average wow player even raid
plush tendon
Yea, I have no idea either
blazing condor
?
blazing condor
been thinkin about that
if you dont do m+
raid
or pvp
what do you do
in shadowlands
loud apex
mounts
plush tendon
RP?
blazing condor
obviously you can do mounts and old content n shit
reputation
but no system in SL istelf
loud apex
but i mean wow community roasts bad players out of the game
with the hate and toxic against bad players
warm condor
ik someone thats fits the description
they do twisting corridors almost daily
lmaooooo
plush tendon
pastel sleet
World content/covenant sanctum/ leveling is were most of /playtime is spent for the avg player. I know many of them.
Entire community of heroic dungeon puggers.
plush tendon
..... my god
craggy pilot
oh how i love when i join a grp someone else built
hasty fjord
the people whos stuck on sub 10s they just dont care at all, i mean with just a ...
Unless we simply dont get "invited" cause there are higher rated tanks looking to poach small easy stuff...
blazing condor
saw someone only taking a bear for a top 18
like yeah
incarn has mad value in there for sure
primal cape
just rn
plush tendon
saw someone only taking a bear for a top 18
LOL! I guess you need the bear for ToP and not the Prot War.... even when the MDI teams are running Prot War in ToP cause they are broken in there
plush tendon
You should ask them what DPS they have and if they are running a meta healer
amber herald
blazing condor
🤢 ⬜
primal cape
these guys jealous of beautiful french gastronomy ignore them
sick sentinel
i got boosted up to lvl 51 at least RK since i turned on sub last night 55
trying to get caught up on quest
blazing condor
yo we should be able to play reprisal on eye now right?
sucks to lose a dom socket
strong forum
you could always play reprisal on the eye
jagged pier
☝️
strong forum
defensively yes
blazing condor
ive had rep before on both fights
strong forum
wall*
strong forum
only thing that can be blocked is the adds stuff
strong forum
id like to say p1
blazing condor
yeah then ikwym
strong forum
cuz p2 adds dont do anything
maiden ravine
That was cool
arctic bridge
In m+ keys, which is likely to be better for a prot warrior. 252 domo wrists vs 252 socketed wrists and 246 domo helm vs. 252 socketed helm. I have 239 in the other domo pieces
plush tendon
I feel like Domination sockets are worth more then normal sockets
sick sentinel
+20 dos coming up on mdi
arctic bridge
I feel like Domination sockets are worth more then normal sockets
Ok thanks. What 5 sockets would we want for m+?
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9K1OACNiXg if anyone wants to watch, it's on the launcher also
plush tendon
Ok thanks. What 5 sockets would we want for m+?
Check the Pins; they are listed there
Lots of good info in there 🙂
arctic bridge
Check the Pins; they are listed there
Thank you. They are right there! Should have checked first.
sick sentinel
being able to fly makes things so much easier
craggy pilot
what classes have Purge? Shaman and anything else?
like clear curse on enemy i mean
maiden ravine
purges are mages, hunters, shaman, dh, and priests
plush tendon
and Blood Elves 😄
craggy pilot
is there any dung it is beneficial to have? other than mist?
craggy pilot
which pack in TOP?
maiden ravine
any bone magus
maiden ravine
Spires is nice, big dps boost there picking up weapon
mellow bridge
PF all the slimes, ToP the magus, Mists the root/heal/shield if it goes through/Spires the weapon/DoS the haste buff from the big purple guy
craggy pilot
okok thx a lot
mellow bridge
there might be something that i'm forgetting
some of these are more important than others
like the slimes just drop a small aoe that you can walk out of when they die
pine lotus
I’m 229 ilevel with a 190 shield….please blizzard please
mellow bridge
ah obv Mists the small guys at the beginning too, forgot those in my list
something like purging the heal in mists if it goes through (especially likely on inspiring weeks) is incredibly important tho
Spires the weapon is a VERY good purge, it deals massive magic damage to the tank and gives a lot of damage to whoever picks it up (has to be someone that autoattacks tho)
topaz pecan
Should I go Kyrian for M+ and PvP until we get to use 2 Legendaries? Or just wing it as Necrolord Protection and Arms for now?
plush tendon
Should I go Kyrian for M+ and PvP until we get to use 2 Legendaries? Or just win...
You do you boo
I will say, Necro War is kind of 😦
vapid berry
im curious about why youd wait for double legendary to be nerolord
pine lotus
I doubt we will get 2 legendaries
topaz pecan
@vapid berry I'm going off an assumption that we might get to use 2 Legendaries in 9.2 in the future.
And I like the designs of Plate for Necrolords
plush tendon
You can play Necro Warrior with no issues. Kyrian War is generally considered better, but its matters more about personal play then cov choice
sick sentinel
more PWar on mdi while dh dies like paper LOOL
pwar doing +19 PF even. im interested
plush tendon
There are a number of dungeons where Prot War is looking pretty good
plush tendon
cuz of battleshout
this to
sick sentinel
i noted that yeah
plush tendon
ToP and Mists are both great Prot War dungeons
sick sentinel
are we doing "ping pong strategy" (intervene like crazy) as one of you put it in a july video i just watched this after noon
or bump on log and shield block (mythic keys)
this right here, what's happening on MDI for dh team, is why i play warrior and nothin else, little actual confidence in other tank specs, bear seems okay
plush tendon
will we see a influx of Prot Warriors after this weekend 😄
pastel sleet
Been running a 233 ows. Considering using a 246 opc to line up with avatar and spear. Thoughts?
plush tendon
what are these trinkets?
pastel sleet
Old warrior soul.
Overwhelming power crystal
craggy pilot
when lust in PF? 🤔
plush tendon
We usually lust first, second, and last boss
blazing condor
when lust in PF? 🤔
First, second last
maiden ravine
Unless killing it in 15 minutes haha
sick sentinel
this is BFA all over again
prot warrior literally dead in x.0, then, x.1.y comes out, protwarrior king
maiden ravine
To be fair, it's only because for some of these comps battle shout is more dps that what dh gives
strong forum
speedhack
sick sentinel
watching the DH wipe fest is kekw to me
craggy pilot
i love it when you get to last boss Plague and 2 people just insta die to tentacles
its not normal to get 2 Toxic Rain in P1 of that boss right?
then the DPS is just dog...
strong forum
no thats not normal
craggy pilot
was like, ok if we get 2 pr phase, im gonna run out of heal CDs real fast 😄
doing 18s feel easier than 15s just cus people know what they doing
prisma bear
the people in 22s definitely frequently dont know what they are doing
getting pushed off by the black ink and releasing so healer cant res then getting hit by it again and alt f4ing
tired cove
Whats the play for kyrian prot in m+ i just switched
lofty widget
pine lotus
Just how big is a shield upgrade for prot, I’m still running 190
At 229 ilvl
And I feel pretty squishy still so hoping it’s just Bc of the shield
strong forum
A 190 shield is equal to almost having no shield
You block only like 15-20% of dmg with it, with a 252 shield you block 40%
pine lotus
I’m a 2300 io bear main so I know routes, I’m keeping shield block up almost 100% with reprisal but man I feel squishy and I’m only doing 12/13s
That makes sense
maiden ravine
What's your ilvl
pine lotus
229
strong forum
You legit take double dmg because of your low shield
pine lotus
Bear is 246 so def having to adjust lol
maiden ravine
I have a 220 shield from Korthia that feels alright
tired cove
<:pins:353613639380369418>
nah blood
pine lotus
I have a 220 shield from Korthia that feels alright
Is that something you upgraded from the Armaments
maiden ravine
If a fresh char that isn't grinding dungeons, just check the attendant dailies each day to see if they give gear
Occasionally it's a weapon
lavish oracle
Anyone who thought warrior was bad in 9.0 did not play warrior for very long
blazing condor
Tru
lavish oracle
Are peeps playing warrior in the MDI?
Oh yeah, damn, lotta warrior
Dope
Really good mix of tanks actually
lavish oracle
Some monk in there too
strong forum
Only for memes
Andy played 1 monk key cuz it was a throwaway meme key
And the other monk key was also not very good iirc
lavish oracle
I think, they also play warrior for reflect in ToP
lavish oracle
I mean, it got played in RWF, couldn't have been that bad
Best option in keys? Probably not, but it was still a solid tank
And to be honest, most of the tanks felt bad in keys in 9.0, DH rose to the top specifically because it was good at running away outside its mitigation
lavish oracle
Yeah, that too
safe thistle
well they did buff all tank mitigation and reduced overall dmg of mobs in keys
a 15 in 9.0 would be like a 17-18 now easily
sick sentinel
okay, i'm caught up now
im at least lvl 60 reknown all chapters completed, will run some key/torghast
ivory elbow
strong forum
Yes you can have multiple
blazing condor
Besides last boss where does reflect have value in TOP
Or is it just that
Besides the obvious bolts and whatnot
brave jetty
I mean it's a pretty big deal on last boss
blazing condor
For sure
gloomy cradle
Any trash casters more or less, like soil frost of the big tornado boys
DR on soulstorm
The dr alone has a fair amount of value in there
trail brook
How much dmg do u guys do on m+?
pastel sleet
5-7k but im a normy
vapid berry
5-7k but im a normy
same im using heavy repercussions though over anger management. Still good damage from you btw
waxen frigate
I mean it's a pretty big deal on last boss
You can reflect scythe or whatever its called?
brave jetty
Yup
waxen frigate
😮
man i gotta gear up my prot warrior
barely ever touched it, been dabbling since i returned to the game and I really want to play it lol. Too bad I'll need to figure out how to get dom sockets with it
pastel sleet
Oh yeah im running heavy repercussions and itf. I like the smooth SB uptime. @vapid berry
loud shoal
anyone know if intervene doesn't take into account your vers, etc when taking the damage?
feral drift
Hey, random question. Sorta stuck in between a rock and a hard place with figuring out gear (currently proging heroic)
Q: Should I take the 252 chest and screw 3 piece or force the 226?
My overall ilvl is 234 in bags, am using Reprisal (Legs) for Raid but really wanting to switch The Wall (Back)
also, all the pieces for 3 piece are 226, with higher alternatives if I dont use it
bright flax
Keep the bonus, its passive hps and damage, the more you upgrade those blood shards the faster it will pass the 252 chest in value
For m+ i guess you could go for raw stats, a bit more ambiguous there but for raid
Dom gear > ilvl > stats
feral drift
For m+ i guess you could go for raw stats, a bit more ambiguous there but for ra...
Sweet, sounds like solid advice. Yea, without the set working outside of the Maw, makes sense to have two gear sets going.
bright flax
Remember that while the bonus doesnt work the gems do
feral drift
Right
bright flax
The absorb gem and the dam gems are still very valuable in m+ but since we're mostly talking dps there its probably better if you sim the options in doubt
feral drift
Im rather new to tanking so my bigger concern is just not getting flatlined (which doesnt happen really all that often). Its strange for me to think or care about my DPS as a tank but I know eventually I can (and will) be optimizing it
bright flax
It comes together
You need to generate rage to use it on SB, rage comes from SS and TC. Dump on revenge and IP
sick sentinel
Point enemies away from group, uses taunts, don't die, use cool downs liberally
feral drift
lol
bright flax
So the more rage you generate, the more damage youll get but also more IPs from having to dump it
feral drift
I got that jist down yogi 😛
sick sentinel
Oh you willl see one day, healer moves and gets clipped by tank cleave
Easier said than done
bright flax
And it happens more often than we would like 😆
sick sentinel
A billion ways to screw up as tank
sudden kindle
252 scale, 239 aegis, 246 old warriors soul, which two would you guys use in m+?
mellow bridge
Aegis OWS if those are your only trinkets
sick sentinel
I almost always like automatic trinkets over on use
sudden kindle
yea i just got aegis, so swap that in for scale i guess
sick sentinel
End of bfa I was running ones that gave haste or crit flat for -10-15s I'm sure there was non bubble ones use I liked to
feral drift
oh i got one.
239 Titanic (other is a 226 with avoidance) or two 226 trinkets 😛
mellow bridge
On use trinkets are very good if you use em well
bright flax
Try them out, i dont see a point in going scale + aegis. But both are awesome to pair with something else. Guess it just depends on how, when and where you will use them
mellow bridge
Just double on use is terrible to play tbh
sick sentinel
Like for example in bfa big red button was extremely good vs 1 target bosses cuz it could crit for over 100k at the end and that would turn into giga threat
mellow bridge
Can't really recognize the trinkets on my phone screen sorry
OWS is a very good trinket, I just dislike losing the stacks due to travel time in m+
Aegis is the best defensive trinket in the game rn
Assuming a sufficient amount of hits coming in
bright flax
oh i got one.
239 Titanic (other is a 226 with avoidance) or two 226 trinkets ...
Keep that faux cheat death in your bags
sick sentinel
That and I some how got heroic trinkets 1s a random circle around you does dmg and the 2 player link one from eternal palace
If you stayed within x yards you would bubble you and your healer for 300k
feral drift
Keep that faux cheat death in your bags
but is it worth my secondary stat being reduced by 124?
sick sentinel
That thing was stupidly handy tool
mellow bridge
but is it worth my secondary stat being reduced by 124?
Huh?
mighty valley
You should be above 50% the majority of the time
sick sentinel
I'd use that thing forever if there was an option to upgrade old gear
mellow bridge
They're saying to not use the cheat death trinket from fatescribe
Ahh he's wearing it
bright flax
I guess his question comes from keeping the ocular gland equipped
bright flax
But yes, ocular gland + garrosh trinket is your best combo from the picture
mellow bridge
It's horrible in m+ and niche at best in raids
feral drift
I was just following the tier list on wowhead
mellow bridge
I can't imagine it being highly rated on wowhead
mellow bridge
Anyways titanic is not a bad trinket
It you're spending a lot of time below the 50% threshold, you're doing something wrong
feral drift
Sounds good, I respect the advice
its not like it dumps unworthy on you for a set period of time. If I get a snap heal after a dunk, im back to better days
mellow bridge
Yeah exactly
feral drift
Cool
bright flax
Its barely noticeable
feral drift
Thanks lol sometimes I need to talk out the logic
sick sentinel
Ah don't always take things face value and get a 2nd or 3rd opinion I say
mellow bridge
Losing the stats for a few seconds is w/e compared to the gain you have most of the time
feral drift
our best pull on Heroic Soulrender I was only unworth 3.65% of the time
bright flax
I use ows and ocular gland on farm stuff, at that point going from 42 to 38 haste or smt is not noticeable for the 2 globals where i get healed up
feral drift
bright flax
The cheat death. If you use it yay (even tho this trinket is worse in effect than the Castle Nathria one). Otherwise its just a strength stick
feral drift
it was fun on some 10 keys today...
mellow bridge
The cheat death is alright in raid
bright flax
Its not useless, its great if you just want to learn a new fight on the first few pulls
mellow bridge
But honestly you shouldn't be dying in raid as a tank except for maybe sylv
feral drift
but 40k is a needle hard to thread too. If Im gonna die, its gonna be to something huge
bright flax
We should call the trinket a self CR instead of cheat death
mellow bridge
Ankh - the trinket
feral drift
no joke
mellow bridge
Okay?
feral drift
I got one of those nuke buttons with the glass case
kidding.
Appreciate the help tonight y'all
Cant wait to get the Wall.. just really dont wanna queue LFR for it lol
mighty valley
Nathria lfr has honestly been fine whenever i've done it
guaranteeing 50% of the tanks know what to do helps a lot
sick sentinel
I just try to save challenging for emergency like that or greater than 5 pulls
Incase not enough threat was made or I die as he was talking about
feral drift
<@107956619219841024> why do you want the wall
Just personal preference tbh. I dont like the style of Reprisal outside of Mythic+
The Wall just seems more solid during prog. Id rather maximize uptime of Shield Wall rather than jump away and charge or find someone to intervene. I dont play the game at an exceptionally high level anyhow.
Once I get rollin with gear and I dont need to work to be as durable, I can start dumping effort into my Elysian Might leggo
feral drift
Nathria lfr has honestly been fine whenever i've done it
my issue is just queue time
bright flax
If you are playing AM reprisal will still give you a lot of rage for SW cdr
Its arguably better defensively than the wall. The cost is that you really need to intervene and charge as much as possible
If you dont charge or intervene that much, or it feels clunky and you prefer to focus on rotation or whatever, i guess the wall is a solid pick just for that
feral drift
If you dont charge or intervene that much, or it feels clunky and you prefer to ...
precisely. Could I work on charging? sure one day, but i dont optimize it out of disinteresting in doing 20 things at once
I know thats a hot take xD
playing to my strengths though
bright flax
My examples are anecdotal, but personally I only like the wall coupled with HR for ST dmg but im still losing to reprisal there
Elysian Might, or EM is fun for low level mythic plus, also usable in arms, but its not that great for prot 
bright flax
Its a very small burst window, if your group has very short time kills in raids it will help you parse in some encounters I guess
You also need pretty high crit% to get the most out of it. It was fun with 30+ crit, not so much at 17
feral drift
Fair
lol maybe I just dont like my leggo options xD
leaping around for charge procs just getting super annoying on some fights
intervening my co-tank is helpful but, not exactly 100% uptime
bright flax
leaping around for charge procs just getting super annoying on some fights
But hey, by doing that you're probably performing better than the majority of our prot warrior fellas
bright flax
@feral drift looking at your log this is the main thing Id say you need to look at improving. Whatever legendary you want to use this is your core for survival
Make a game out of it if you have to, but aim to get those blocked hits as close to 100% as you can. Yes its almost impossible, there will be gaps in it, but you re rarely tanking a raid boss solo. Use SW for big hits/tank busters and you will be golden