#protection
mellow bridge
always have SB up and rotate your defensives for it
it hurts a shitton on high keys
dusky canopy
Yeah dont worry about the tank buster it only hits you
frail oar
is there a setting that could make the line not appear ? 🤔
mellow bridge
good guga
dusky canopy
Just dodge bird bolts and don't run through line
modern brook
is there a setting that could make the line not appear ? 🤔
if you blink for a ~3 minutes
you wont see the line
frail oar
i have really never seen it ^^"
median tulip
🤣
cyan onyx
is there a setting that could make the line not appear ? 🤔
Setting particle density to adaptive or W.e. it is could make it dissappear. I usually have a lower FR in that dungeon so it might be a factor.
strong forum
Maybe low graphic settings
cyan onyx
Yee
mellow bridge
do you play on like reaaaally low settings traham
jagged pier
projected textures i would guess
jagged pier
u should always have that on
strong forum
Na soa is notorious for hiding mechanics if your particle density is too low
I checked
mellow bridge
that might be it then i guess
mellow bridge
that's so bad lmfao
modern brook
hoenstly
cyan onyx
If you can't see it it's still relatively easy to avoid, its legit a straight beam between boss man and bird boy
median tulip
It's Bastion; it hides everything if the INFERNAL PERMANENT ENVIRONMENTAL BLOOM is there
frail oar
Like the pools
that explains a lot
frail oar
If you can't see it it's still relatively easy to avoid, its legit a straight be...
now that i know about it, yes
modern brook
I like how i can change my settings to turn off mechanics
cyan onyx
Haha fair
modern brook
but i cant change my settings to turn off stupid flying bird people that get in the way of my fucking camera
cyan onyx
Ngl my camera is usually blocked by trees on that fight so "Jesus take the keys" mode engages
median tulip
The most difficult thing about that boss is if you're a melee heavy party the Charged Spear can fuck your melee's positioning up and cut your DPS substantially. But that's mostly just Bliz's bad anti-melee dungeon design.
median tulip
Ngl my camera is usually blocked by trees on that fight so "Jesus take the keys"...
Oh yeah the trees are horrendous there too
strong forum
you guys see the new venth lego for us
Wdym new
cyan onyx
you guys see the new venth lego for us
Yee, I might go back ngl. Seems pretty lit
median tulip
Welcome to high keys. You can no longer afford any mistakes at all.
wild hemlock
didnt they change it so that condemn extends avatar?
cyan onyx
Perma avatar
wild hemlock
yeah it was in last nights notes
mellow bridge
it's in the 9.1.5 patch notes
strong forum
ic
wild hemlock
condemn extends avatar
cyan onyx
Well, not really but Sinful extends avatar lol
strong forum
Might almost be good
cyan onyx
I'm exaggerating for effect
strong forum
Almost
median tulip
They've changed the Venthyr leggo so condemn extends Avatar instead of Last Stand
strong forum
It's only for prot
jagged pier
it was a change for prot only
cyan onyx
Reprisal will still be better
median tulip
Yeah it does something different for Fury anyway
wild hemlock
i cant wait for them to rip the reprisal bandaid off
sweet summit
hopefully it makes venthyr the best ST damage covenant 🙏
median tulip
But, with fast cov switching coming in 9.1.5 anyway, it's not going to matter because who will tank as V?
strong forum
If only we had bom eh?
sweet summit
strong forum
But without that, avatar isnt that omega
cyan onyx
Honestly, Venthyr isn't horrible in raid. The added execute damage is nice in some fights, but yeah
strong forum
Well condemn hits weaker than execute
So it's only the 100-80 bonus
But from 20-0 normal execute is better
Just switch cov mid pull
Ez
cyan onyx
Thats what I mean, just the extra overall damage plus a small defensive. Everything else is just way better lol
Naw you got this homie. Can't know until you know dude
Learning is important
odd nimbus
dude it comes with time mate,you got this just practice more and stop the overthinking shit
median tulip
Everyone is still learning. I constantly find out new things about dungeons and bosses
modern brook
100-80 taunt swap hearth resummon
modern brook
Learning is important
THis is a really underated sentence tbh
Especially for prot warrior
So much of tanking, and specifically this spec, is doing homework
sick sentinel
Hello guys, i read many things about protect warrior. Could you help me ? In general My dps is 4.3 / 4,7 in MM 18/19 and i would like up.
I have 23% haste, 27 mastery and 21 vers.
My friends told me , 239 with domination socket is better than 252 without
My ilvl is 244.
Https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/conseil-des-ombres/Deathwongg
Could you check and say if you see something wrong ?
Thhhxxxxxxxxx
median tulip
People - by which I mean PUG DPS players, mostly - also underestimate just how important correct use of the DPS class abilities is in reducing the damage the tank takes. The defining quality of a good DPS player isn't the damage they deal; it's how well they use their Stun/Kick/CC/Purge/Cleanse abilities.
median tulip
Hello guys, i read many things about protect warrior. Could you help me ? In gen...
Looking at your Raider.io page your gear looks fine. 21% Vers is a lot.
modern brook
Hello guys, i read many things about protect warrior. Could you help me ? In gen...
so 90% of the time damage issues comes from either not casting enough spells, or not revenging enough in eneral
your stat spread will make little difference
and while yes Dom sockets are important, especially the first 4,
their overall impact compared to just you know, hitting buttons, is also fairly low
I would suggest logging a dungeon
or recording one
and posting it here we can give better advice
cause gearing really wont make up th ~2k you're misisng
sick sentinel
Ok so i think i can't do more, i play with a space mouse and i bind all my curve. I click like a hell's little enrage rabit
median tulip
Personally I would use Ravager and Anger Management rather than ITF and HR
sick sentinel
I would suggest logging a dungeon
Ok
modern brook
Personally I would use Ravager and Anger Management rather than ITF and HR
also true
median tulip
Also if you can afford it and have decent boots available, recraft your Reprisal legendary on legs for a slightly higher stat budget
bright flax
I dont even do 19s thats high so youre optimizations might be on little details
median tulip
@sick sentinel If I were changing anything else on your gear, I'd probably be looking to swap out the Ritual Bone Band for a better ring with Haste on it.
safe thistle
well 20ish haste is low
median tulip
Oh and get a better trinket than the Splintered Heart of Al'ar
sick sentinel
<@456226577798135808> If I were changing anything else on your gear, I'd probabl...
Kk i try
sick sentinel
sounds like hes not pressing his buttons to me
I think, but i'm sure i have a good curve , i record a dungeon this week
safe thistle
trinket wise for m+ with aegis you would use OWS or reactive ?
jagged pier
I think, but i'm sure i have a good curve , i record a dungeon this week
good curve?
safe thistle
so ows is higher ilvl i guess ill go with that
bright flax
If you can keep ows buff its great
safe thistle
ya i mostly do i chain pull
bright flax
Otherwise, matrix is consistent on what it does
safe thistle
thnx to previous discution about mika i didnt realized i used SoF i replaced it with fragment
median tulip
Those trinkets apparently don't exist for my raid group
safe thistle
ya well we never saw a jaithys either
bright flax
I annoy everyone in raid for trinkets, all the time
safe thistle
leather got it easy way more class and it make it more easy to get drop
bright flax
Both aegis and matrix were traded by dps and healer
median tulip
I annoy everyone in raid for trinkets, all the time
I annoy everyone by asking them to loot spec tank on The Nine
sick sentinel
good curve?
I mean, the good order of my competences when i figth
jagged pier
i mean thats yet to be seen
median tulip
Post logs pls
jagged pier
the amount of ppl that come in here going i play correctly
i spend 1 seconds looking at logs
sick sentinel
Yeah your rigth
median tulip
If you feel your DPS is under-performing (and if you are getting 4.4k you're dropping something, somewhere) then we need logs to figure out what
I mean, I am not the best Prot Warrior in the world by a long stretch, but I can put out 5.5 to 6k
safe thistle
yesterday i was tired and forgot to pull the priest in Hakkar wing off the devoted..... whelp...... it happen 😛
sick sentinel
Post logs pls
Srry guys, shame on me, but what do you mean by post log ?
median tulip
Combat logs
mellow bridge
does anyone here remember if the NW orb silences through inspiring?
safe thistle
pretty sure it doesnt
craggy pilot
is there another way to count % blocked hits than with logging?
a WA maybe?
or a separate addon? 🤔
dusky canopy
I average 5.5-6k overalls too
jagged pier
nope only logs
jagged pier
I average 5.5-6k overalls too
should be higher
craggy pilot
couldnt you potentially make a WA that looks in log and counts + when you block, and - when you dont block? 🤔
cyan onyx
Oh God, I'm at like 40% most raid fights wtf I suck lol
dusky canopy
I know I could be spamming revenge more but I feel like IP really helps me survive in certain scenarios
craggy pilot
IP doesnt rly help you survive much tbh
cyan onyx
like really bad
Well, now that i know there is a problem I can fix it so
dusky canopy
Tbh It even feels like I'm pressing revenge more than I should
craggy pilot
just use it as a overflow rage fix
safe thistle
i dont think i even use IP in m+ unless ill overcap
craggy pilot
i dont think i even use IP in m+ unless ill overcap
jagged pier
i mean u could jsut watch my how to read logs video then u will know properly if u suck
🙂
craggy pilot
what addon do i need to do /log?
jagged pier
How do i log ?
So, if you have been here for a while, you may have noticed that whenever somebody ask for advice we ask them for a log, and if you’re new you might have no idea what that means or how to get one so :
🔸 First, download Loggerhead (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/loggerhead) or ERT (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/exorsus-raid-tools)
Once you have one of these any time you enter a zone where you might want a log (ie dungeon/raid/torghast) these addons will automatically start logging (in the case of ERT you have to activate automated logging in the options).
Alternatively if you don’t want to install an addon for it, whenever you are going to do an activity you want to log type /combatlog in chat to start logging said activity.
Remember to activate advanced logging in the options (System -> Network -> Advanced Combat Logging)
All these options will store your logs in your wow file inside the retail folder and the log file.
🔸 Second, go here (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/client/download) download the client. Select the live section of the client, select the upload a log button and select the fight you’re interested in putting up as a log and boom you’re done.
🔸 Third, once you’ve done all this, your log is uploaded you can put it up here and we can look at it together to see if you’re doing something wrong.
If you wish look at your own log Jakey made a nice little video explaining what we look at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1tRp8lULT8
safe thistle
nice explanation right there
jagged pier
best copy pasta put together by MR @sweet summit
safe thistle
i think its pinned ?
craggy pilot
so i need to make an account on warcraftlogs right?
jagged pier
nope
jagged pier
so i need to make an account on warcraftlogs right?
yus
sick sentinel
I create my account just a few minuted, you know i hope you fibd something wrong. It explain why my dps is so looow
median tulip
I know I could be spamming revenge more but I feel like IP really helps me survi...
IP use really depends on circumstances. There's no point rage dumping into it mindlessly. Making a good weakaura to track it for you is highly recomended
dusky canopy
Man I'm usually close to the 300 casts of revenge I must just be smooth brain not hitting all the mobs
dusky canopy
IP use really depends on circumstances. There's no point rage dumping into it mi...
I use the luxthos sweet witch tracks ip I usually only throw it up when I'm against heavy caster packs
safe thistle
welkl if IP wouldnt fade after 12 seconds it would be good...
cyan onyx
Like it just stacked until the damage was done?
safe thistle
yah anyway it doesnt soak all dmg like a shield
cyan onyx
No, but doesn't it half damage?
median tulip
I create my account just a few minuted, you know i hope you fibd something wrong...
One thing I've noticed from going over a log of yours I found is that you are using Brutal Vitality and Fueled By Violence. Personally I would swap those out for two of Unnerving Focus, Stalwart Guardian or Condensed Anima Sphere
safe thistle
for me IP isnt rage cost efficient something gotta change about the soaking or the cost
i prefer to keep shield block and revenge with that rage
dusky canopy
I wonder how rough it would be if I just remove it from my bar for a +18 and just see if my Healer can keep me alive during heavy magic damage lol
And only rage dump revenge
strong forum
That's dumb
safe thistle
i would like for it to not be a rage dumbster though and more of a thinking choice
strong forum
Like real dumb
You'll lose dps when you stop casting IP in m+
Idk like, I like being efficient and foregoing all IP usage feels weird
cyan onyx
i would like for it to not be a rage dumbster though and more of a thinking choi...
Like it does what SB does but specifically for magic damage only or...
strong forum
I don't need to think about my rage usage so I just go as I go
dusky canopy
I mean sure it's dumb I agree but I would imagine more revenge casts would mean more damage
strong forum
It's not that simple
safe thistle
it doesnt feel like a defensive since its not that strong though it does make a difference on caster but yeah...
sick sentinel
One thing I've noticed from going over a log of yours I found is that you are us...
Ok now i'M ready but i search how il could sent my log ( my account is ok )
median tulip
On Boss (& Miniboss) fights, I use IP to ride through damage spikes/tank chunkers/etc. On trash I use it to smooth the dungeon progress and let my healer DPS/keep his mana up
strong forum
For example, I use more IP than jakey does, but we both do the same dmg
On all of his logs his IP is barely seen on the hps, when my IP is directly competing with indom in the top healing done
Yet we both do the same dmg
Not throwing shade, but it's not as 1 sided as lol just use more revenge
dusky canopy
Yeah my ip is always competing with indom as well
sick sentinel
strong forum
When you use more revenges, you spend more globals on revenge and less globals on generating rage
Ykno
safe thistle
ya that too
dusky canopy
Thats what I was saying above I feel like I cast it to much
strong forum
With using IP you generate more rage as you can spend more time using SS and TC
dusky canopy
Ip I mean
strong forum
Instead of dumping more with revenge
safe thistle
does it mean you have more shield slam ?
dusky canopy
So like 350 casts of revenge is bad
median tulip
I just looked at my most recent Details:
strong forum
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/8656490
You're not using your CDs enough
In a 5min fight, you used only 4 avatars
You are using TC and SS a fair share
strong forum
I just looked at my most recent Details:
That's like a 30sec fight
So not really an accurate representation
safe thistle
put overall 😛
jagged pier
ew retrofitting
dusky canopy
In order for me its usually
Indom > ip > bloodlink>accretion> scale > nose for trouble
Well not bloodlink if it's m+
strong forum
Okay so @sick sentinel
You're not playing the best talent setup, HR is okayish but in raid you should be using booming voice
You're not casting execute ever which is a huge dps loss
Your casts of Shield Slam could be a little higher
You're never intervening so you're not making good use of your legendary at all
You're not charging enough either
amber herald
any legion trinkets to go for next patch?
safe thistle
they gonna be 226
amber herald
pretty sure I read they're equivalent ilvl
ancient monolith
maximum they can be is 246
amber herald
fine for trinkets
safe thistle
ahh i mixed timewwalking
strong forum
You are NOT USING YOUR LEGENDARY AT ALL
Geez
40 rage is only 2 charges
In a 5:30min fight
You might aswell not have a legendary equipped
Your casts on your nine log are alright, could be a little higher
sick sentinel
Hum, could you see my last Mm ?spire ?in 18 ?
jagged pier
he has a SD log
sick sentinel
Okay so <@456226577798135808>
You're not playing the best talent setup, HR is ok...
Ok Nome, sorry for that but could you see my last mm ?
Understood for raid
strong forum
Yeah your shield slam uses are low in that SD
It should be close to 12cpm, its only 8.9 or smth
So you're lacking rage gain there
TC is alright could be a tiny bit better
You have only 71% blocked hits which is quite low for using reprisal
You used even HR
So it's abysmal blocked its even
With HR + reprisal your blocked hits should be north of 90%
So you're using a maximum block uptime setup, but you have less blocked hits than me or jakey who can get to to 85% without using HR
I got up to 77% with using the wall, so that needs SEVERE improvement from your part considering you're playing a talent + legendary setup that can reach 100% block uptime
You're also wasting a ton of rage, make sure to press IP a little more to prevent overcapping
You only generated 17k rage in a 39min dungeon
It could be more than 21k rage
So yeah, press more buttons, and charge weave/intervene alot more
You're not playing around your legendary alot
sick sentinel
Thx a lot, i try this and i update my log
strong forum
You need to use execute a fuck load more
You used it only 18 times
In a 39min dungeon
I use it 18 times on a single boss in m+
Defo lost alot of dmg output there
Don't underestimate the powerbutton that is execute
You're literally missing out on like 400 dps because you don't use execute
craggy pilot
why do the arrows spawn in clumps in Mythic Sylv? is that a movement thing or just a Mythic mechanic?
strong forum
Mythic mechanic
cyan onyx
How do you figure out percentage of blocked hits? Are you just looking at blocked vs. Unblocked or is there just a stat somewhere
craggy pilot
i think theres a place in Warcraftlogs.com to check it
safe thistle
need to check your melee hit received
cyan onyx
Ah, im on mobile so no go for now. Thanks!
craggy pilot
paladin in our Guardian kill 😄
safe thistle
he can solo tank though a pattern
craggy pilot
yea tru
lol just checked Twist Fate dmg taken on Fate
i took 0 dmg as arms because i reflected all 😄
cyan onyx
Figured it out ☺
I blocked 51% of the hits on my logged tarragrue kill. Is bad, but on the brightside I have something to work on
sweet summit
best copy pasta put together by MR <@!165864577760755712>
Hey dont credit me, i stole that off catha
craggy pilot
uh i had 85% blocked when i tanked tarra
sick sentinel
You used it only 18 times
i chang my bond for execute, you're rigth
craggy pilot
89% on the nine
guess im not dog shit prot tank ❤️
is it possible to see spell reflected stuff in a log?
sweet summit
Ya
But its janky if you wanna see reflected damage
You go enemies->damage taken->by ability x
craggy pilot
i just wanna see how many times i actually reflected something
sweet summit
Or you can go yourself->damage taken->events->click spell reflect icon
craggy pilot
ah well Twist Fate is not Reflectable, it just removes the dot from you
sick sentinel
i update my profil if someone would like lose five minute, tell me if it's better. I execute more i think
craggy pilot
well Twist Fate is not even on the list for me 😄
i took 0 dmg
but cant see how many times it was cast on me 🤔
sweet summit
Twist fate?
craggy pilot
ye from Fatescribe
sweet summit
Its cast on everyone at the same time
So you can go enemies->fatescribe->casts
Or an ally->damage taken and see casts there i believe
craggy pilot
oh ye reflected i mean
sweet summit
Unless you were dead for one/some of them you reflected all, yeah
median tulip
This means Skittish and Teeming are coming back, doesn't it?
sweet summit
What lol
dusky canopy
So in execute range we stop pressing revenge unless it's a free proc and rage dump execute instead?
craggy pilot
lol just read Skittish hahahaha wtf is that garbage
craggy pilot
So in execute range we stop pressing revenge unless it's a free proc and rage du...
yes on 1 or 2 targets
dusky canopy
I hope not skittish or teeming horrible affixes lol
amber herald
and correct me here but you don't need to wait for 40 rage
just spam it because it all works out
dusky canopy
I'm guilty of not pressing execute enough in M+ I know that much
Probably could gain alot of overall there
lavish oracle
Eh, skittish was fine
chilly brook
Skittish was a meme
chilly brook
I hope not skittish or teeming horrible affixes lol
Literally all you had to do for skittish was press your buttons
dusky canopy
Totally right but I was not a good player at all at the time lmao
Still bad honestly
Oh did I miss any conversation about legion trinkets that we may want?
If my memory is correct really nothing will compare to ows/aegis/scale
cyan onyx
I believe the consensus was "meh" on legion trinkets from the M+
chilly brook
Should be all and should be able to do it all the time
Big facts actually, taking all the previous m+ dungeons and making them available and relevant would be huge
cyan onyx
The auto attack damage ring?
chilly brook
Ye
safe thistle
sigh priest say i should focus on versa over haste for survability i told him haste give me more block and rage for defensive so its for both but its like talking to a wall. what else could i tell him so he shut up ?
safe thistle
you know theres always that guy that know how all class work
and think he know it all better than you
hollow sun
its like tanks that say that stamina thinkets are better 🤡
lime urchin
Why would you even continue that talk
safe thistle
if i had a very solid argument to shut him up i would like that
lime urchin
its like tanks that say that stamina thinkets are better 🤡
I think this was / is somewhat the case for prot paladings? Not sure tho
languid juniper
tell him to run vers because its straight up dmg
safe thistle
i socket crit too omg bad meeeeee
hollow sun
i honesly don't know anything about prot paladins, i had a girl in my guild saying that slime consumptive organ was the best tank thinket for warr
brave jetty
Would the auto attack +10% ring from Legion buff Devastator?
brave jetty
But Devastator replaces your melee auto
shut summit
no it doesnt
brave jetty
Oh why did I think it did lol
modern brook
i honesly don't know anything about prot paladins, i had a girl in my guild sayi...
sounds like she really wanted to play dk with a shield
drifting heath
anyone have a spell reflect overview for SoD?
modern brook
Pins
mellow bridge
does anyone know if aegis works to reduce SoA third boss dot damage
I feel like it somehow doesnt really do that much 🤔
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BktAKR4yMmTxwrqQ/#fight=last&type=damage-taken&source=8&ability=331997&target=47 I'm too dumb to read this LOL
100k absorbed if I read that right, is that from aegis? Idk if you can check the source
modern brook
Private log
jagged pier
does anyone know if aegis works to reduce SoA third boss dot damage
Yes
Im pretty sure it does all dots
But that is feely crafty
My old hardrive cant cope with logging anymore
strong forum
think its public now
your aegis did 432k over the run
and 82k on 3rd boss
and aegis works on all dots you dont even have to face the target with it
*from what ive heard
urban portal
jagged pier
There is a reason why we say its busted
mellow bridge
that boss still wrecks me
didnt have SW for one soak just now on 24
and I just died
strong forum
thats where you bully your dps into immuning it
mellow bridge
1:37 deplete peeposad
strong forum
ive always bullied my dps into immuning it
lavish oracle
Pretty sure it's only as long as the dot is sourced from an enemy and not the environment
Like grievous
strong forum
im not a DH you go deal with it
mellow bridge
idk
strong forum
Pretty sure it's only as long as the dot is sourced from an enemy and not the en...
aegis works vs bursting
mellow bridge
feel like dps kinda need their def cds for the hit they get
that shit hurts
initial hit did over their half hp
proven hill
Is x3 potency overkill? Checking top X warriors on rio everyone has a different path setup for Mikanikos
mellow bridge
timer was really good until 2nd boss and then it just plummeted lol
lavish oracle
Is x3 potency overkill? Checking top X warriors on rio everyone has a different ...
Seems like it doesn't matter then, listen to your heart
mellow bridge
Is x3 potency overkill? Checking top X warriors on rio everyone has a different ...
i play 1 potency only for m+ lol
with mikanikos
lavish oracle
Same
lavish oracle
Hate auto phial
jagged pier
auto phial is fine
ionic fern
Is x3 potency overkill? Checking top X warriors on rio everyone has a different ...
We only have 1 solid Potency - Piercing Verdict for Kyrian.
mellow bridge
yea i honestly dont mind auto phial
ionic fern
auto phial is fine
I hate it.
lavish oracle
auto phial is fine
Still hate it
median tulip
auto phial is fine
I hate it on Tank. I use that Path as Arms.
lavish oracle
Yeah, I have my depths of insanity on that path
mellow bridge
auto phial has def saved me quite a bit
jagged pier
i dunno i think its fine
jagged pier
lavish oracle
I tried it for a few weeks and it was always on CD when I actually needed it
Irritating as hell
proven hill
Could just try doing 1 potency then and run old warrior soul instead of guardian trinket thanks to the extra endu node
mellow bridge
i did just run ows for that key
but that's because I dont have guardian on hc/myth
it just doesnt want to drop for me on hc lol
only got it on nhc
OWS feels decent for tyrannical weeks
proven hill
Yh i got guardian hc/ows hc/252 blood-spattered
mellow bridge
but I think for fortified matrix is better idk
proven hill
Think i can just skip on guardian and run ows for extra dam
mellow bridge
matrix does a lot of dam
proven hill
Yh actually did around 300k in a 18 spire i just did
brave jetty
When do y'all think skipping tormented minis starts to be worth it? Is it pretty much only ever Oros that gets skipped?
brave jetty
Is the calculus pretty much "will the slow fuck us over big-time on final boss?"
strong forum
yes
mellow bridge
and the better the group, the more you start skipping it even on shitty bosses
top groups are skipping him in e.g. mists and dos too
soggodon is skipped very often too unless you need the defensive power or the physical damage increase just kills your group/tank
e.g. SD last boss just fucks you if you skip him, ToP endboss fucks the tank etc
brave jetty
Skipping Soggy is very appealing on quaking week lol
mellow bridge
you just have to know when to pull him
e.g. if you pull him right after a quaking, it's 100% safe
mystic warren
rank 3 on first soulrender kill
I swear I went for full boss damage
mellow bridge
sus name 👀
sweet summit
🗞️
mystic warren
rank 12 on boss damage I'm not kidding 😦
mellow bridge
guess youre just a gamer then
mystic warren
just trying to get enough clout so I can diminish raz's name in front of erga
dusky canopy
Is logging a network related thing or more hardware?
Like you probably want a fast hard drive for logging right? What instances would prevent being able to log?
sweet summit
Like you probably want a fast hard drive for logging right? What instances would...
no idea but you dont notice it being on
a long as u have advanced combatlogging enabled, typed/had an addon to type /combatlog and warcraft logs uploader
dusky canopy
Does loggerhead enable it in m+ as well? I've always manually typed it and manually uploaded whenever I log so I'm just curious about any qol stuff for logging
autumn pendant
just trying to get enough clout so I can diminish raz's name in front of erga
He cant
He just pads
I am prophet
I cant be put down
mystic warren
tell that to first boss mists
autumn pendant
Tell that to dying in spires
safe thistle
rotection
Sinful Surge (Venthyr Runecarving Power) now extends the duration of Avatar (Talent) by 2.5 seconds when Condemn (Venthyr Ability) is cast (was Last Stand duration extended by 3 seconds).
whats your though about this
cyan onyx
"Better than nothing"
jagged pier
almost makes it good
safe thistle
but with the fact we will most likely be able to equip 2 legendary is it more attractive ?
safe thistle
ok but for raid you would run what reprisal/the wall ?
i wondered if you could be into perma avatar at execute phase
ancient reef
when is 9.1.5 and are they gonna end current m+ season with it
halcyon shard
when the stars align we will know
ancient reef
anyone got a sextant
safe thistle
season doesnt end with .5 put at 9.2
strong forum
yeah next season isnt until the next raid opens
sweet summit
I am prophet
true
sweet summit
@halcyon shard show afro
halcyon shard
modern brook
no ones talking about this but this is huge
finally non grandma nightborne options
maybe the race will be worth playing finally
autumn pendant
still wont play nightborne
sweet summit
no one plays nightborne lol
mighty valley
i can't argue with math
final gust
condemn's gonna extend avatar instead of last stand with sinful surge
sick sentinel
whats the best prot legy for m+/mythic/hc raiding
mighty valley
reprisal/reprisal/reprisal
sweet summit
true true
strong forum
its not even a joke tho
sick sentinel
Ok thx
modern brook
nightborne venthyr protection warrior, despised by all
are you excited to not be ugly anymore?
mighty valley
i'm already beautiful
mossy peak
was already soft capped
tanks arent generally hard capped because they need to maintain aggro on everything
ivory elbow
I mean thunderclap is caped
mossy peak
soft capped
literally the same thing theyre doing to everything else, we already have it
mossy peak
because it's not changed
that's how it is on live
i think some things were hard capped at launch and it was changed in literally a week 1 patch, week 1 of the expansion that is
tanks are soft capped on basically everything relevant and have been all through shadowlands
strong forum
no
mossy peak
ravager change is relevant
strong forum
bear is still 90% uncapped
vdh got nerfed through spb changes
but bear is still mostly uncapped
idk how monk is
mossy peak
uncapped is still in the uncapped/soft cap direction, my point is that they aren't hard capped
strong forum
<.<
mossy peak
they took off most/all the hard caps on aoe abilities for tanks super early
cuz that was
hilariously bad design
lol
strong forum
yeah thrash being entirely uncapped until 20 targets is totally fine compared to other tanks only dealing reduced dmg to them
quick coyote
Question still getting used to prot whats the best trinkets for dmg/suvivability. i know Old warriors soul but whats best with it?
strong forum
Question still getting used to prot whats the best trinkets for dmg/suvivability...
matrix + aegis
is the nonplus ultra trinket combination, the magnum opus
for max ST damage phial + SFA is bis
mossy peak
aegis is absurd
for several seconds it's like playing a tank in... any other previous expansion
and then you're brought back to the shadowlands again
dark lark
for max ST damage phial + SFA is bis
What's SFA again?
strong forum
ya same
cuz matrix is great in m+ and really good in raid too
SFA is only good on ST
mellow bridge
Guardian just refuses to drop it for me
Killed him on hc every week since release to no avail
sweet summit
mellow bridge
Like it hasn't even dropped a single time for my cotank either lmao
strong forum
next week for sure!
just keep on subbing and playing the game!
next week for sure!
fringe marten
Killed guardian norm/heroic since day 1 of raid, killed him in mythic last night... never EVER dropped a matrix for our RAID once; except when I got a new bear cotank for ONE NIGHT and on our 'alt raid' heroic clear it dropped for him. ..what is this game man? Loot is insanely screwed.
I wouldn't even care that much of matrix wasn't actually a substantial 'character' upgrade so to speak.
Woo..nice changes blizz..just hit rank 6 with korthia, bought 50k worth of death bound shards and in 3 shards it two of them pushed piercing verdict up to 252 before upgrading anything below it? dude..what?
mossy peak
do you already have all your prot ones at 239, it is spec locked now
fringe marten
Yeah, it upgraded all the ones I wanted it to and I still had 3 left..every prot usable one hit 252 including piercing verdict/etc all the neutral ones. How was that NOT in the game to begin with? same with changing covenants freely/conduit energy not existing etc..
5 shards left for 'fury' and I will be completely done with all 252 conduits..fkn NICE
I whined about that for a while but I got the mythic one last week..because our dps monk went brew spec just to trade it off.
The 'tradeoff' is that every week I've been helping him 'try' and get a ticking sack of terror from tazavesh.
sick sentinel
does anybody here ever try to play with not so much addons and how do you manage if so
i quit at some point, thought about coming back, but don't want to if i need more than just DBM/details
mighty valley
i don't use a lot
i don't have any total hotbar replacement for example
i have boss mods, details, weakauras that i occasionally throw a new thing on
and then some random tools like MDT, a gathering thing, etc
but you can just start playing with the bare minimum and add things as you go
blazing condor
I dont use loads
I have my own elvui
Dbm and details
And a wa profile for prot warr
Thats about it
And an interrupt tracker for m+
Then i just use my eyes to see what happens in the game
tacit vapor
i wish that the condemn legendary would extend the last stand conduit and talent too
and not just the base spell
empty spindle
Are there any good trinkets or gear drops from the legion time walking that’s useful for us ?
river escarp
for M tarragrue, is there a bug where if you taunt too early, both tanks get the armor debuff?
empty spindle
for M tarragrue, is there a bug where if you taunt too early, both tanks get the...
Never had that issue before
river escarp
I have the cotank weakaura and I always tank right after seeing the armor debuff on the cotank, but sometimes, it shows both tanks getting it. I'll show a clip
sturdy sable
Are you intervening him?
river escarp
hmm that could be it. I am intervening for sb.
sturdy sable
Yeah to youll also get the debuff if you do when he gets hit by overpower
sick sentinel
so, also, if i have say 400 mb of addons running is that pulling from vram, ram or something else
if i have addon leaks that are causing me to use all my vram, that's an issue don't want to be bothered with as well
mighty valley
typically intervene cotank when you're tanking, any melee when you're not. unless you're trying to give someone specific the conduit DR
river escarp
Yeah good idea
lofty widget
whats exactly does "reduced dmg beyond 5 targets" mean? is it a linear dropoff?
mighty valley
Complicated square root mathematics... I think this spreadsheet from the fury channel is relevant
mighty valley
But nothing's changing for prot anyway
sweet summit
ravager is
mighty valley
oh missed that
lofty widget
thx alot for this
safe anvil
Saw that a lot of high M+ Prot Warriors play with Heavy Repercussions instead of Anger Management. Is that a Tyrannical or High key thing or is HR the way to go now?
mossy peak
it's not great outside the niche of ultra high keys
you basically always want to be using AM
but if you are there and you are getting your ass slapped sideways, then you'd look at it/the wall
lofty widget
it's the turtle build for when you need close to 100 % block uptime or are too lazy play with reprisal proberly
safe anvil
ok thx guys
steel mist
is there a trinket that more op than bloodscale in the legion m+
i remember that was for arcway
the purple absorb trinket
pastel sleet
im using mikanikos on arms. so im using pelagos on prot. is there a trick to maximising newfound resolve? i have trouble knowing when to do the thingy
sacred timber
obtuse monolith
im using mikanikos on arms. so im using pelagos on prot. is there a trick to max...
Just change paths on Mika for prot too on the same tree. Especially for dungeons more spears >>> 3rd potency. And that’s before getting into the mini games with Pelagos
next trench
maiden ravine
Aegis transmog!
brave jetty
what are y'all's preferred kill order on 1st boss of ToP in high-ish keys? 18-20+?
tyrannical weeks*
maiden ravine
I think the lust bosses preferred are first, lich, and last but it depends on your own groups?
brave jetty
No, I mean on affront
maiden ravine
oh, the melee one is the only one that's a threat to tanks
tame jasper
Dessira, the MS guy in the middle
fathom turtle
hey guys, im collecting some prot gear and im just having 12% versa in it. all other 20%+. now im asking if i take dom socket bracers without versa or bracers without dom socket but 30 versa?
jagged pier
vers doesnt matter
gear goes
dom socket > ilvl > haste
the others u dont care about
you only drop ilvl for dom sockets
fathom turtle
ah ok i thought versa is highly important 😄 thx 🙂
jagged pier
its not
fathom turtle
but if i have chance to take an item with same ilvl with haste+versa instead of haste+crit/mastery, i will take the one with versa?
jagged pier
if its the same ilvl
jagged pier
its fine
jagged pier
fathom turtle
welcome me to kyrean guys 😄 how you would recommand to catch up renown? bgs? or 1-30 torghast and after campaign? any other?
jagged pier
I think they made KSM account wide again
they did not
lime urchin
vers doesnt matter
Maybe this should be pinned 🙂
maiden ravine
they did not
yeah, I got jebaited by the PTR haha
Sorry for getting your hopes up. 😦
jagged pier
maiden ravine
log into a character and get an achieve pop up, forgot the achieve is account wide even though you can't technically progress on multiple characters anymore
I actually kinda want a Nightborne warrior with the new shield models haha.
spiral geode
@fathom turtle do torghast layer9 until lvl 40. Then do campaign and callings. Do it solo.
hearty terrace
Hey guys levelling a warrior re-rolling for Keys Kryain Vs NF? Why is one better then the other ?
ionic fern
.
jagged pier
they are the same
ionic fern
^
Honestly between the two just pick the one that "speaks" to you the most.
They are both excellent options in keys.
hearty terrace
Sick
jagged pier
And soon it wont even matter
hearty terrace
Also why/wyen would you play Necro?
jagged pier
never
hearty terrace
Sick ty
ionic fern
Compared to Kyrian/NF 100%.
I'm still waiting for the "If no allies are nearby you get all the mastery" change for banner.
jagged pier
jagged pier
same
median tulip
Hey guys levelling a warrior re-rolling for Keys Kryain Vs NF? Why is one better...
They are basically the same level of power, except on Necrotic weeks when Kyrian is God tier
blazing condor
someone who plays Matrix in m+ how much heal/dmg does it do for you?
jagged pier
ive heard its 📈
strong forum
Does like 350dps+hps
strong forum
Yes
blazing condor
cool
tame jasper
someone who plays Matrix in m+ how much heal/dmg does it do for you?
~500-600k per M+
blazing condor
so the reflect count as a heal?
or something else
like it prevents the damage right
not just mimics it back
strong forum
Si
blazing condor
gracias
maiden ravine
Necrolord is probably better for tanking than condemn haha
I love my Venthyr transmog and so glad I get to use other abilities
Does wcl flag parses with necrolord warriors? They currently don't with Kyrian bears
maiden ravine
Oh, that's recent for druids then. The legendary wasn't called out like PI is
maiden ravine
I enjoy using condemn, just wish it was fury condemn
craggy pilot
Why would they with bears? Don't they just reduce DMG taken?
ionic fern
Just play w/e.
What makes you able to push m+:
1)You knowing and playing your class properly
2)Dungeon/pull knowledge
3)Your team also knowing the 2 points above
Covenant choice for Prot barely matters compared to the points above.
jagged pier
^^
naive pendant
does anyone know if shield wall and/or rallying cry reset when the m+ timer starts?
amber herald
we don't have any pop cds before the timer like other classes
except necrolord prot with rally/last stand for a big fleshcraft
jagged pier
no class has too
amber herald
no they do if you're pushing
jagged pier
no its used for an extra cd use as there cds last like 20 secs
so they get extra cd time
naive pendant
my guardian druid does ravenous frenzy/swipe for a big shield
ionic fern
I just pop everything to look cool.
naive pendant
that makes it worth to press 😄
maiden ravine
Why would they with bears? Don't they just reduce DMG taken?
Kyrian druid legendary gives bond and you a huge chunk of stats
For example, 8% haste for a fae bond that doubles every 45s when you empower the bond
It's actually absurd if you don't need another legendary. Bear and Resto are most able to use it
craggy pilot
Ohh legendary 😅
maiden ravine
Given tanks don't care about tankiness in the raid we look for biggest dps lol
I'm just glad bear has some really solid dps legendaries
ionic fern
Given tanks don't care about tankiness in the raid we look for biggest dps lol
In any raid.
jagged pier
blazing condor
guess its probably worth to dump valor on that ring
only if i can high-roll a 252 with socket from vault it'd be better
mellow bridge
maiden ravine
We'll all be doing court in a couple months hopefully
sweet summit
😎
jagged pier
blazing condor
i wonder when blizzard is gonna improve respawn-points in DGs
like Halls for example is just ridiculous
is it really that bad if you respawn on the previous boss you killed
only DOS is really affected by that
sweet summit
well they did (said they did at least ), but its still terrible
flint wraith
can you get the key you just ran in a m+?
sweet summit
no
blazing condor
nw into nw into nw into nw into nw into nw into nw into nw into nw into nw into
sweet summit
would be nice
blazing condor
it would
nw is like the only dg i actually enjoy
everything else is okay at best
sweet summit
love mists when its not tyrannical
blazing condor
yeah true
mists is 2nd
but it's kinda boring in how linear it is
not much timesave
but at least you can pull through walls n shit to speed it up
mellow bridge
tyrannical inspiring mists is yikes
jagged pier
its fine imo
mystic warren
It slows you down a lot if you get an unlucky maze with inspiring tender packs
sweet summit
ya
jagged pier
ya
sweet summit
long long time
mellow bridge
you can but without a few bloodelfs or a priest it can get messy
single target purging the heal is still a lot of extra health
mellow bridge
and ccing one mob costs a lot of time in the maze
inspiring isnt even bad at the end
just sucks in the maze
and not being able to stop those stompy circles is a big yikes for melees as well if youre not ccing
blazing condor
yeah its true
its p shitty
as a tank you just take those circles and get free charges
as a dps
youre fucked
wild hemlock
ok i know this is warrior discord but im debating picking up monk or dk for my other tank alt. anyone have any suggestions? main is ele shaman alt is prot warrior. dk looks really fun but really slow
mystic warren
you can purge through the inspiring right?
Imagine if they also let me taunt through inspiring 😔
mellow bridge
both fun but very different playstyles
wild hemlock
both fun but very different playstyles
ugh i just cant decide
wild hemlock
imagine having time to play an alt
shaman is pretty geared and gets his 4 keys and raid logs. prot warrior just does 4 or ten keys
mellow bridge
getting into the rhythm of purifies can be decently fun
wild hemlock
i dont do korthia or shit lmaoo
mellow bridge
but youre your healers bitch in basically any content
as a DK youre way slower and lower damage, but if youre not getting oneshot you can survive basically anything by yourself
as long as you play really well
blazing condor
ive been looking at the chinese m+ gang with the DK tank
wild hemlock
ugh. also want to wait til 9.1.5 for easy lvling but have vacation days with this weekend
blazing condor
those guys are mesmerizing
mellow bridge
when i started to play my dk alt this season again
i could tank 15s with 225 ilvl and not need a single heal for most of the keys
so that's pretty cool
but DK is way more unforgiving than Monk
dying to a mistake as Monk is actually really hard thanks to stagger
in most cases it's just a case of "lol heal me more"
as a DK you do a big mistake = you flop
primal cape
guys we are in dung and my friend playing priest disc has a purple area popping and i have no idea what it is ?
mellow bridge
wild hemlock
are dks like warriors and really only wear one lego unless raiding haha
i want just a little build diversity lmao
mellow bridge
DKs have a choice between 2 leggos for the most part
Monks realistically only wear one just like we do
wild hemlock
it would just be nice to change things up without losing the stonks of reprisal haha
blazing condor
yeah thats the problem
modern brook
Well the good news is none of our legendaries are interesting besides reprisal
So it's not like we have options to change it up with anyways
blazing condor
if we're EVER gonna get a new best legendary it'll either be through blizzard fixing our class and giving us what reprisal does but without the leggo OR make a legendary that does everything reprisal does AND more
which would be too OP to print
tired ice
guys we are in dung and my friend playing priest disc has a purple area popping ...
Maybe a trinket?
jagged pier
that should be standard for rep
tame jasper
that should be standard for rep
I know and I still struggle to achieve that %
blazing condor
personally my % goes up the higher the keys are
just because then i actually gotta commit to having high % uptime
in lower keys it dont matter cus im not gonna die anyway
coarse shoal
I was thinking about using thunder lord to maximize my demoralizing shout time, is it not viable?
cyan onyx
This really dumb but do you have a WA up for SB?
cyan onyx
I got one set up and my block % went up like 10-15% in a day
I know some people view WA as a crutch but like, if a tool is available....
strong forum
I know some people view WA as a crutch but like, if a tool is available....
Those people are called "idiots"
cyan onyx
In another community it's referred to as "Scrub Mentality". Use what you have available to succeed.
But yeah that SB WA did wonders.
tame jasper
any specific? i created one that shows me when its up and how long
strong forum
You can run a marathon without shoes, but it's a shittin of a lot easier if you have running shoes...
I use the one linked in #268491842637660160
tame jasper
yeah mine was like that
prisma bear
do you guys think the soft capped ravager hits past 8 targets will also generate rage like the first 8
that is some insane rage if so
strong forum
ravager always generates 60 rage per cast
doesnt change with target count
also, the wording could be interpreted like it would hit 5 and then reduced dmg done past 5
and not 8
prisma bear
boooooo
damn that placebo is wild it really feels like it gives way more rage in packs than single target
the "generates 10 rage each time it deals damage" is what tricked me
sweet summit
yeah tooltips are kinda uhhh shit
modern brook
Technically
It's generating 10 rage each time it deals damage
Cause it does the damage at the same time
🤷♂️
sick sentinel
Does anyone know the best way to deal with the boss Oryphrion in SoA on tyrannical. During Recharge Anima no matter what I do I fall over from taking orbs.
tame jasper
Does anyone know the best way to deal with the boss Oryphrion in SoA on tyrannic...
Last Stand, SR, ShieldWall, Aegis/scale - and well healer
mellow bridge
im tilting
sick sentinel
Last Stand, SR, ShieldWall, Aegis/scale - and well healer
Yep, even with the Broken Mirror 15% reduced magical damage from Tormented add is brutal on a 15. But yeah I think getting a scale would a good start.
mellow bridge
dont move away from the boss
stay in his back
keep on generating rage
spam IP
save CDs for high stacks, then use them at the end
sick sentinel
Ok that's a good idea,I was running after the balls
strong forum
you need to save SW for when you got the last orb
and the dot is just ticking
unless some other CD is gonna be used
the 10stack hurts like a motherfucker
sick sentinel
Thanks for the advice guys
craggy pilot
whats the idea of stacking the Silence pools on KTZ?
tame jasper
more space for raid
craggy pilot
clumps them up better
but dont they respawn where they died?
craggy pilot
ah so you wanna kill them before they move out of the CC pool?
strong forum
that doesnt matter
what matters is them being clumped up
at all times
then use your own CCs to knock them back in and burn them down
makes it infinetely easier
and the silence pools themselves do nothing so you can easily stack them up
blazing condor
too bad my guild is so shit at interrupting we actually need the silences on the mobs 🙂
blazing condor
man
craggy pilot
but they were like "no because we using them to silence"
blazing condor
we had a rough hc clear with dumb wipes all over so i ended up snapping and flaming everyone on disc
not nice!
but now the interrupts are actually decent
only cost me my reputation
small price to pay for salvation.png
blazing condor
i mean it's unacceptable
strong forum
is it?