get a room already
#protection
plush tendon
blazing condor
thrall is green jesus
he said fuck war im saving this world
also i mean why not go for jaina while you're at it
blazing condor
a zugger's gotta zug
plush tendon
Wow was better when Garrosh was the Warchief
plush tendon
edit actually, the WoW story was better
with Garrosh
Im actually enjoying most of SL tbh
but so are my homies so it works out ๐
brittle owl
it was better before they pulled the ol "i'm my own grandad"
strong forum
its a dom socket chest so thats nice, but man haste vers cloak, haste vers belt
but low ilvl
tame jasper
i took haste/vers cloak today (hoped for heroic silive shoulders ๐ฆ )
tame jasper
only hat 239 crit/haste ^^
strong forum
and 242 haste vers belt
tame jasper
*had
tame jasper
Why 252 Gloves and not the korthia ones? 239 haste/versa with dom-socket
strong forum
he thinks i do korthia
halcyon shard
@strong forum is big slack
cyan onyx
No, but good stats and a dom socket vs just high ilvl I think is the argument
239 dom vs 252 m+
tame jasper
๐
tame jasper
sockel,conduits xD
tame jasper
speaking of sockets, i wanted to upgrade a gem
tame jasper
okay next try: achievements ๐
rancid ember
You'll get Exalted Death's Advanced just by doing the weekly Jailer / assaults. You can buy Sockets that way /w soul cinders
rancid ember
1K Cinders per I think
rancid ember
I mean if you making other Leggos sure ๐ I have my 2 and not much else to make. I don't PVP
strong forum
i just yesteday crafted my 2nd legendary now im broke again
and ill craft a 3rd legendary in like a month
theres nothing more i hate than daily quests
never done em
never will
rancid ember
Do you do assaults/weekly stuff or not rly?
tame jasper
I have enough cinder to craft a 3rd one now, but I don't know which. I don't play arms/fury in M+ so theres not really a need for it
strong forum
not worth my time to log on every day for 30min-1hr just to do dumb shit in korthia or maw, i maybe do smth on the weekend if i feel bored
but other than that, i will not do chores
not big enough of a gain to validate the time spent
my conduits are 226-239, good enough to pump
sockets are w/e this patch cuz you can only get like 3 or 4
and i dont need dom socket ultra min max pepega spasm for heroic raid or for fucking around in keys
modern brook
but are you really progging if your Cor isnt absorbing 35 more damage?
bright flax
Hey you dont talk about my Cor like that 
This patch nobody even cries out for weekly keys
All about the doms
naive panther
The upper end of that grind is huge cost for very little gain.
bright flax
Im switching my weekend ventures from m+ to just raiding. At least feels less bad with alts
naive panther
I only recently started doing a little bit more raiding and the crap I got is negligible.
I got 252 shield my first or second mythic kill though
bright flax
It sucks either way, m+ drops are capped even to upgrade. But the worst is vault day having to abandon an undroppable m+ item for a lower ilvl dom item
modern brook
Im switching my weekend ventures from m+ to just raiding. At least feels less ba...
i keep trying to pug on my off time like i used to in BFA
and holy shit idk what shadow lands did to people
but its just a zoo
fringe marten
Bullfango I've been saying that since shadowlands started; I feel..I think anyway; it's the healers. Healers in BFA were just another dps that had to sometimes heal some boss mechanics on players..prot warriors were pretty ridiculous. Since shadowlands started I've noticed now that healers have to HEAL a lot.. I very quickly noticed a LOT of them are really bad at healing keys.
..and I'm like 500 research from tier 6..omg gonna' be done with korthia soon. thank you lord.
rancid ember
Damn.. I've done a fair amount of Korthia ish but just got T4 lollll
iron skiff
Bullfango I've been saying that since shadowlands started; I feel..I think anywa...
Not just healers but dps too. I've had absurdly high numbers of dps just wander into stuff I was actively avoiding. Worst was the dh who ran around the pillar at the end of NW as I pulled the necromancer pack who then blamed me
novel lotus
Do we p much just default The Wall in SoD or is there a reason to go Reprisal
strong forum
8/10 bosses you go reprisal
Lol
Wall is only a maybe on eye, and a yes on sylv
Other than that you play reprisal
jagged pier
i dont use the wall on the eye anymore
im planning only using the wall on slyv mythic tbh
strong forum
On HC you can always go fullsend dps
blazing condor
thats what i do
strong forum
And on most mythic bosses
blazing condor
only fun part about raiding is parsing
strong forum
This guy gets it
strong forum
Eh, I'd like to not care about bosses that involve serious padding
Or that are off allstars
blazing condor
yeah i dont really count tara
strong forum
Atleast on mythic
On HC I'd go for padding aswell
But I cba wiping to a farm mythic boss cuz of padding
mellow bridge
does anyone know what the Chinese numbers mean in details and co
blazing condor
yeah thats kinda yikes
strong forum
Yes
That's 16k
You can see the symbol change
From the pally to the dh
Indication a new increment of 10
mellow bridge
idk their route in their 26
is legit nothing special
I do that exact same route but I time a 22 with 1 min left
and they time a 26 with 1 min left
KEKW
strong forum
Talking the dh group
mellow bridge
then they have +4 more dps than you
they do
strong forum
Not the dk
mellow bridge
all dps are ~2-3k higher than mine
and I play with a rdruid who does like 2.5k dps overall in a halls
- the BDK is just 4 times as tanky as I am LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDECP-UvwgM you can watch it if yo uwant goodstuffe
literally nothing special in their route, most western groups I see pull bigger but are still slower or the same at best
blazing condor
yeah i didnt expect not pulling shard first
i miss playing with my monk premade now that monks are absolutely pumping
blazing condor
something something SEF
modern brook
TBH if blizzard had any semblence of consistency on what they ban for
blazing condor
literally remove SEF
modern brook
no windwalker would still be allowed to play the game
blazing condor
they hotfix that ability 20 times a year
monks dont wanna have to play it
its busted
plush tendon
I wouldnt try compare yourself to mister Qiao
plush tendon
or even anyone in the West
mellow bridge
I mean I kinda gotta when I want to improve and do big boy keys at some point
but I cant get past 23s right now 
especially when I feel like I'm permadying in some of those keys, especially DoS/Halls
sturdy sable
balmy coral
Who is using the Kleia soulbind?
strong forum
arms in raid
balmy coral
I mean for prot
strong forum
you dont
mellow bridge
Mikanikos does more dam
wild hemlock
chilly brook
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDECP-UvwgM you can watch it if yo uwant goodstu...
First two pulls remind me of Legion
blazing condor
how come KT dont award all-star points?
sweet summit
because you are afk for 70% of the fight
shut summit
such a bad fight
modern brook
i like it cause when ur progging and he starts begging to not be killed at like 3% and your team wipes anyways
cyan onyx
I just connected the dots that Plka is the Plka that made the guide that got me into warrior tanking lol. That's dope. Love the content
rancid ember
plush tendon
modern brook
my head canon is Picka
blazing condor
pika cus of pikerchu
modern brook
Pie-ka
strong forum
plankton
modern brook
PlkaPIkaPlkaPIka
primal cape
guys can i buy several 230s stuff and equip them or only one is possible ?
chilly brook
guys can i buy several 230s stuff and equip them or only one is possible ?
Only one
strong forum
need that natures fury
jagged pier
need that natures fury
tbf tho im claiming rank2 rank1 is nature fury and 2 PIs basically scams
lofty widget
fuck all to take
ring or helmet seems aight
stray hemlock
Sucks to have such good gear that a good vault isn't@ivory elbow
languid juniper
Fuck KT but rank 1 baby 
sweet summit
languid juniper
Alliance gang 
languid juniper
is that a dragons roar gamer at rank 4
gotta praise him because he is the only one who cleared mythic kt with it
languid juniper
HR is small pp energy
blazing condor
yes
mellow bridge
huh why do people play HR for kt
strong forum
people play HR cuz it sims higher
strong forum
i wouldnt play HR
its a bit bait when playing with reprisal
cuz SB uptime with reprisal + HR is only 58%
and the sim doesnt properly sim charge weaving let alone intervene, atleast from what ive seen
languid juniper
specially on KT where there is so much charging potential
strong forum
so i think it overvalues HR when running reprisal leading to bait sims
it is a decent talent for dmg because of the increase uptime of the 30% SS dmg
but not with reprisal imo
tranquil leaf
ive got 1231 haste (37%) is that too much? have i hit a break point?
cyan onyx
Naw, but you should probably sim other pieces and see if they'll be an upgrade or not.
strong forum
40% is where you want to actively avoid haste
Like full on stop
In your case I'd socket and enchant smth else already
tranquil leaf
i was thinking crit enchants and crit gems instead of my current haste ones
strong forum
Ya sounds good
strong forum
Crit is one of if not the best offensive stat for us
Especially ST
In aoe haste becomes a little better
But raw offensively crit has always been the best ST stat
tranquil leaf
this is what im sitting at
tranquil leaf
pretty much all my gear is haste/verse
with a lil sptinkle of mastery and a pinch of crit
strong forum
Looks like it's all just big haste low everything else
It do be like that
Nothing wrong with it
austere marsh
when 9.1.5 hits im going prot necro warrior for m+ with 2 dks, banner sounds op
strong forum
It's rly not op in the slightest
austere marsh
:(
blazing condor
plush tendon
Im hoping with 9.1.5 they become much more aggressive in tuning of Cov abilities
since we can freely swap
mellow bridge
Cant wait to be able to play NF for HoA (maybe DoS too) without fucking my group by not having a kyrian for nw/soa Pog
strong forum
Ya that's gonna be neat
inland timber
!
ivory elbow
wait can u stack dom gem or no
mighty valley
?
you mean set bonuses? no, you can only have one
there's still a max of 5 sockets
ivory elbow
no i mean just stack one gem like kyr
sweet summit
no
and if you somehow have 2 of the same gem then youre hacking and im reporting you
mellow bridge
imagine several kyr shards
mighty valley
yeah you only get one drop of each shard ever
modern brook
and if you somehow have 2 of the same gem then youre hacking and im reporting yo...
Someone here had 2 somehow but they're unique equip
sweet summit
yap
mighty valley
still hacking, erga report
sweet summit
reporting
modern brook
:(
proper pecan
Does anyone have a video of leaping over Raznals ball, when you are close to them?
pastel sleet
ilvl on rings or should i go for specific stats?
sweet summit
if its not like a 30 ilvl upgrade id go for whatever has more haste
pastel sleet
i have 2x 246 rings that are crit/mastery. and a bunch of 236 rings with all kinds of stats. and also potentially 230 crafted stat rings off AH
sweet summit
id use 236 with good stats over 246 with bad ones
especially if 236 ones are upgradable and/or has socket
modern brook
Don't buy a 16 ilvl downgrade lmao
If any of the 236 are haste heavy use those
Else the 246 are fine
Just focus dungeons that drop good rings for you
rotund thicket
Does anyone have a video of leaping over Raznals ball, when you are close to the...
works the same
oblique garnet
proper pecan
Nah, spikes is easy to jump over, I'va managed to jump over balls 2 times today when pally was dead on 3rd phase
Tried to repeat it after raid and failed miserably
rotund thicket
you have to stay 2 squares away from the ball and jump 2 squares behind them
the same works for spikes
works every time even on the sideway balls on mythic
proper pecan
you have to stay 2 squares away from the ball and jump 2 squares behind them
I'll try it, thanks!
rotund thicket
I'll try it, thanks!
some ppl say leaping midjump felt smoother
modern brook
Try jumping before the leap
Every time leap ????s come up it's ppl not jumping
Worked for arms/prot mage tower in legion
proper pecan
@rotund thicket Works like a charm, thanks!
shut summit
yea its same idea as the clip, definitely personally prefer to not rely on it though
rancid ember
mad man
mighty valley
can't wait to try this out, fuck it up, then type "lag" in chat
rancid ember
Reminds me of 1st week on Wrath of the jailer. Every attempt 2 different DPS died trying to blink through the beam ๐
proper pecan
I do bieleive it is
modern brook
The answer is always jump first
novel lotus
What in the wild world of sports
thorn ether
Is the 45 lvl row prefference or it's based on your haste?
chrome falcon
obtuse monolith
Hey what do you guys do when you leap to a corner and then the balls spawn on that side. Am I supposed to know where theyโre going to pop?
Havenโt tanked it in a week or so but last time I had to either take a ball to the face or drop the weapon not at the corner
amber herald
you have time to run to the corner and time to leap out before the balls spawn
so run there and leap back is what I mean, it's how I solved that problem
mellow bridge
I simply stopped one row before the corner instead of walking into the corner
Gives me enough time to walk out even when the balls spawn there
At least on hc, need to finally kill soul render this week to find out if that works in myth ๐คทโโ๏ธ
obtuse monolith
Good ideas, ty.
Would help me with the other problem I had where I leaped to corner and turned camera but not body. Then walked off edge ๐ฌ
mellow bridge
mighty valley
The axe & the balls seem to desync enough past the first that it's not an issue later in the fight... and being one away from the edge is fine before phase 2
cinder dirge
Is the 45 lvl row prefference or it's based on your haste?
from my perspective it depends if you are kyrian (kyrian spear and ravager have same CD) or not
it's literally useless to take ravager when you're kyrian
mellow bridge
Huh?
median tulip
It definitely isn't useless to take Ravager as Kyrian; that is in fact my default set up. I like having an additional Rage Generation tool. Others may prefer the Haste.
mellow bridge
So uh
Legion Mythic+ dungeons accessed in this way have their own set of affixes, reward loot of the same item level as Shadowlands Mythic+ dungeons, and count toward weekly Great Vault reward options.
Items acquired from Legion Mythic+ dungeons can be upgraded with Valor points, but will not appear in the Great Vault.
What are we farming boys?
Is there any busted trinket?
Timewalking Dungeons: Black Rook Hold, Eye of Azshara, Darkheart Thicket, Vault of the Wardens, Neltharionโs Lair, and Court of Stars
Are the available dungeons
proven hill
Which trinket would you perma run between 239 Reactive Defensive, 252 Blood-Spattered and 246 Old Warrior's soul?
obtuse prism
If i recall there was a silence on magic damage trinket in brh, that might be handy in hoa but nothing else comes to mind as much better than we have now โฆ but then again im a noob and someone else likey knows better
barren socket
lunar jackal
what about the neltharion's lair one? 1 min cd? (didnt play legion so don't know if that would be like a nzoth trinket)
lunar jackal
is ilvl on ring worth drop for better itemization? (6ilvls)
lunar jackal
cause the legion dungeons have haste vers both ring and neck
Gotta spend it on something ๐
cinder nova
Wonder how the Sinful Surge change will impact ST DPS
lavish oracle
@shell fox they are adding timewalking legion M+
Current ilvl, valor upgradable
Yes
Not in the weekly chest
Just valor upgradable
Very worth it for trinkets and jewelry by and large
Just during timewalking
Same
lunar jackal
and it will be upgradeable to 246 so that's why I was asking
lavish oracle
It's at the top of wowhead atm
Me?
Not that much higher, creeping up on 2200
Like a smattering of 15s-19s
I haven't been playing that much so they're all over the place
Yeah, I've just been doing 4 weekly keys and dipping most weeks this patch, lot of people I played with dipping this patch
Kinda killed my motivation
brave jetty
cinder nova
They're literally pulling the ripcord for everything the players want to try and stymie the exodus.
But a lot of these changes are also changes we asked for at beta and in the first couple weeks, but were roundly ignored.
lunar jackal
9.1.5 aka everything u told us in alpha was right but it took us like 4 patches to realise we were wrong
cinder nova
Plus they still defended their shitty design choices in their announcement.
It's so shallow.
sweet ivy
But a lot of these changes are also changes we asked for at beta and in the firs...
i was thinking about that, after all the legal problems they finally finished develop the expansion
its like 9 months late, but is better than nothing
lament zealot
Are there any items in timewalking for legion that Prot should watch out for?
some pretty insane trinkets
median tulip
If i recall there was a silence on magic damage trinket in brh, that might be ha...
Ember of Nullification
maiden ravine
The AA ring is gonna be popular
median tulip
The AA ring is gonna be popular
Which Ring?
lunar jackal
AA > autoattack not ancient aftershock
median tulip
The full list of Trinkets from the 6 Legion TWM+ Dungeons is: Ember of Nullification (BRH), Spiked Counterweight (BRH), Giant Ornamental Pearl (EoA), Parjesh's Medallion (EoA), Nightmare Egg Shell (DHT), Writing Heart of Darkness (DHT), Faulty Countermeasure (VotW), Orb of Torment (VotW), Mark of Dargrul (NL), Shard of Rokmora (NL) Talisman of the Cragshaper (NL) and Windscar Whetstone (CoS)
full list available to us, that is
Obviously the big question will be how their scaling works
Also: Will the Legion TWM+ Dungeons drop appropriately up-levelled Artefact Relics, and if so will it be possible to upgrade Legion Artefact Weapons into a competitive ilvl? (I strongly suspect the answer to this will be No)
stoic igloo
Plus they still defended their shitty design choices in their announcement.
and if they didnt include this we could complain that they don't communicate why they did things
it's a win win for us doomers
chilly brook
median tulip
Not enough to make me want to Tank as Venthyr, especially with free cov swapping in effect
mighty valley
I was gonna craft it for offspec anyway, Iโll try it out
odd crown
keep hearing Codex of the first tech from TZ is busted for tanking but i dont see any of the top ppl using it. just no one running TZ or am i being trolled?
wide pilot
If I plan on pushing m+ as high as I can with only herooc dom pieces is it gonna be worth using more than 4 dom pieces for m+ over 252 gear. Or should I even stop at 3
I have 4 pieces all 239 with the shards at r5
tame jasper
@wide pilot thinking about thst quite odten too. Atm i only have four slots available (2 even 226) and wearing the 3 dps gems and of course the absorb one
lavish oracle
interested to see how the EoA Pearl stacks up against scale
wide pilot
<@219581383956234240> thinking about thst quite odten too. Atm i only have four ...
Have you noticed a big dif in your damage with those shards? I know I donโt FEEL a dif with the absorb shard of kyr even though Iโm sure itโs absorbing a crap ton over the dungeon
But as far as damage goes it sort of seems the same
unkempt fox
Can you feel 3-5-8%? Some people can some can't
wide pilot
Maybe if I was a dps spec I could but Iโm usually only pulling 6-7k depending on the dungeon
Maybe I shouldnโt be looking at overall and just comparing the dmg on each individual pack? Idk
tame jasper
Absorb are around 500-600k per m+ if I remember correctly (no access to logs from mobile atm)
wide pilot
Thatโs for r5 right?
And if I were to check my logs where u def damage take. Would you check that to see how much Iโm absorbing from the shard in a dungeon?
celest glade
What's the damage reduction exactly after 5 targets for Revenge?
halcyon shard
3
celest glade
I don't understand lol
Says it deals reduced damage to targets after 5. What's the reduction exactly?
strong forum
Square root
wide pilot
You see it under โhealingโ
It come up as accretion ?
urban portal
Square root
Jokes on you
It's some complicated bullshit
@celest glade ccing you
lavish oracle
lmao, why, tho
viral arch
they argue not being shit, optimizing your play and optimizing your group's play before talking mastery, boyo
the first 3 somehow always get forgotten
orchid frigate
hmm what is this guardian leggo that makes you immune to necrotic i hear of?
elfin nova
Not something you can equip as prot warrior
The thrash absorb legendary you use for m+ (ursoc's fury remembered) is not reduced by necrotic
orchid frigate
ah ty
strong forum
That's been changed afaik
To square root
In late beta :^)
All of the "reduced dmg past X targets" is sqrt afaik even that spaghetti stuff that you can see on wowhead isnt up to date anymore
urban portal
trying to find information on wow
good luck
record keeping in this game is so shit
limber temple
I was looking at that. I can't work out if I like that or not. Given the 2 windows we get to use Condemn I am not sure it will be as useful as Reprisal but openers will be mega strong me thinks.
limber temple
I'd like Condemn to do something funky with IP tbh
ionic fern
It's still a better version of this Legendary than the previous one was.
median tulip
The fundamental problem with Condemn is the same as for Execute; it's a spender rather than a generator
Gief Fury Execute
I do think Condemn's damage suppression rider is an interesting mechanic, but attached to a single target ability it's not very useful. I would have liked to see the damage suppression effect added to Revenge
ionic fern
I do think Condemn's damage suppression rider is an interesting mechanic, but at...
The whole ability is ST themed so not really surprising about the DR.
median tulip
It unreasonably limits the actual utility of the ability though
I mean, you already only get to use it for 40% of the fight (less, in terms of actual time you spend fighting)
lone crow
Execute in prot should generate rage just like in fury
blazing condor
Infinite execute loop 
median tulip
The Fury version has a cooldown for that exact reason
blazing condor
id rather not have the cooldown
than having it generate rage
we generate enough rage during execute phase anyway that you can pretty much use it as much as you want
SS procs, spear, TC, LS with unnerving focus etc
empty spindle
Wtb defence matrix
sweet summit
200 gold
empty spindle
Fine
sweet summit
Expect it in my mailbox at the end of today 
jagged pier
can i get one too?
empty spindle
In game name?
sweet summit
Ergaw
empty spindle
What sever
sweet summit
Tarren Mill
sweet summit
jagged pier
mythic
strong forum
Wouldn't say so
sweet summit
If your other trinkets are dogshit maybe
empty spindle
Okay so
My push team and I are gonna do a 20 NW
Whatโs your reccomended weapon usage on which bosses
blazing condor
hammers are used for shields on last boss, spears are usually 2nd/3rd/4th or 1st/2nd/3rd
i like spearing 1st boss together with other mobs in the dg
empty spindle
And before you ask - venthyr boomkin frost mage resto Druid and DH is my comp
blazing condor
i dont orb anny bosses, MAAAYBE 2nd if needed
strong forum
on fort:
- lust first pull
- 2nd boss
- last boss
on tyra:
- lust 1st boss
- 2nd boss
- last boss - CAN do 3rd boss if you wanna commit. hes arguably harder than the last on tyra
- spear 1st 2nd 3rd boss
- goliath orb 1st boss & triple pull on 2nd boss platform on the right side
- orb narzudah/marauder double pull + something after 2nd boss
- hammers are for last boss
That's what I yoinked from a dude that does like 24s
Nothing ultra special
But I fucking HATE NW so this is beneficial
strong forum
Didn't work for my group
jagged pier
strong forum
You saw the halls
jagged pier
thats true
but i was pure inting myself
wrong soulbind
wrong talents
the lust on the first boss tho
that was yikes
i got a new route for low halls
just mega pull after mega pull
was really fun to tank
blazing condor
jagged pier
well u can pull like 2 dog packs at once with aegis because the bleed does nothing
when u use it
blazing condor
i usually pull the two pats + caster pack downstairs in halls its very comf
with aegis
and also you can dance around the top of the stairs making them kite left and right forever
trying to line to you
median tulip
- spear 1st 2nd 3rd boss
- goliath orb 1st boss & triple pull on 2nd boss platfo...
People actually do Nar'zudah? I skip that skit
jagged pier
empty spindle
Wait
empty spindle
You donโt get the retro fitting ???????
craggy pilot
People actually do Nar'zudah? I skip that skit
The dung became so much easier when i started skipping that guy
sweet summit
And ravager !!!!
median tulip
Ew, auto-phial
jagged pier
You donโt get the retro fitting ???????
whats retro fitting?
safe thistle
arms gonna be disgusting in dungeon too
craggy pilot
Is aoe cap removal good for us? Revenge gonna slap?
jagged pier
Ew, auto-phial
like 99% of the time its fine
empty spindle
The Right side ?
sweet summit
Nah
jagged pier
Is aoe cap removal good for us? Revenge gonna slap?
revenge isnt touched
safe thistle
revenge already uncap
craggy pilot
Ah ye ๐
jagged pier
The Right side ?
why would i go right side?
empty spindle
Shield
jagged pier
the shield is worthless
sweet summit
The wait its worded makes it look loke a direct nerf to ravager unless you pull 13 or more mobs (or <=5) @craggy pilot
craggy pilot
Will aoe cap removal force us to do bigger more difficult pulls? ๐ค
jagged pier
as its not hitting every spell no
craggy pilot
Like currently you can pull 5 mobs at a time entire dung and time fine
strong forum
People actually do Nar'zudah? I skip that skit
Ye people kill him since s2
jagged pier
i pull more tahn 5
craggy pilot
Now people will want 20+ mobs at a time
median tulip
I use Right-Middle-Right with Mika, but that's partly because I hate conduit energy and Left-Left-Left has my Arms setup on it
safe thistle
the only place i would see a difference now on some class is in ardenweald side of DoS
strong forum
Now people will want 20+ mobs at a time
No
It doesn't affect pull size
Only dmg output
craggy pilot
Hm guess so
Just often get boomies crying to pull bigger cus they have their CDs
Fucking hate that shit
strong forum
Boomies don't benefit off of big pulls actually
craggy pilot
Just stfu and DPS ๐
median tulip
Ye people kill him since s2
He's not so bad on Tyra weeks, but on Fortified that pack is a total shitstorm
median tulip
True
empty spindle
My venthyr boomkin pulls just under 50k DPS on the triple pull in SD
strong forum
Yeah but boomkin does 30k St
jagged pier
that sounds low
craggy pilot
Interrupt orb deals with the kicks
Still usually he doesn't die before it runs out
strong forum
So most of his dmg is on a few targets
steel mist
guys if legion timewalking is going to come soon, what is the trinkets coming out of the dungeons that we need to look out for ?
strong forum
Still usually he doesn't die before it runs out
Yes but only him
empty spindle
Thatโs without lust too
safe thistle
narzudah is actually quite easy if you have a dispel.
strong forum
As that 1 mob
Rest of the pull will be dead by the time the orb runs out
So you have half of narzudah to deal with
empty spindle
I wanna see nomeraturs tree ๐
jagged pier
its in the pins
median tulip
Still usually he doesn't die before it runs out
To be fair, on Tyra weeks you can kill the other 3 before the orb runs out and once Nar'zudah is alone he's a lot less of a threat. But on Fort you're entirely right, it just takes to damn long and you'll inevitably run out of interrupts.
blazing condor
Let's see Paul Allen's soulbinds
safe thistle
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=335141/dark-shroud as long as you dispel this its fine on high key it destroy your ass
blazing condor
i feel like you can very comfortably skip narzudah for a long time
strong forum
You mostly did it in S1 because of overcounting for pride
blazing condor
the only thing you really skip by killing him is the necromancer before 2nd boss and also the guys before it
but you can utilize the goliath orbs better maybe
by taking them then insta skipping to 2nd
empty spindle
Oh
blazing condor
ive only done a 21 NW this season but we almost +2:d it and also skipped narzudah
empty spindle
I thought the armour fragment and condense sphere were trash ?
jagged pier
no?
blazing condor
they werent better than what we had before we got all these extra rows of conduits
but now that we got a big ass tree
they definitely fit in there
jagged pier
i mean AAF is beter than SoF
blazing condor
yeah but you didnt really run SOF either before
jagged pier
no its not
empty spindle
So whatโs everybodyโs haste at ?
jagged pier
34.9%
empty spindle
And verse ?
jagged pier
i dunno 8 or somthing
jagged pier
cause it doesnt matter
empty spindle
Iโm trying to stack more verse
empty spindle
halcyon shard
: )
empty spindle
median tulip
So whatโs everybodyโs haste at ?
Dead on 20% baseline (but I run with AFE)
halcyon shard
keep going
jagged pier
afro out here 
safe thistle
hmmm i though last mika row would be retrofitting
halcyon shard
please
empty spindle
Whatโs so bad about stacking more verse
blazing condor
its not a problem unless youre giving up haste to stack more vers
median tulip
It's not worth chasing Versa to the exclusion of all else
empty spindle
I mean Iโm
jagged pier
so u need 8% more haste
blazing condor
[Stormforged are typing]
jagged pier
before u start thinking of other stats
halcyon shard
lmao
empty spindle
So putting on lower ilvl rings with higher haste is the go ?
strong forum
I'm still using a 226 with a socket
halcyon shard
go get some gear nerd @strong forum
blazing condor
Vers is a trap-stat because your success in staying alive is like 0.1% affected by vers
median tulip
My (entirely feelycraft) opinion is that as long as you have 20% Haste pretty much any combination thereafter is fine
empty spindle
Iโve got a 154 crit haste ring with 103 haste and 44 leech
strong forum
I'm 246
empty spindle
With a socket
halcyon shard
243
strong forum
That ring owns
strong forum
Socket + leech + crit haste and max ilvl
empty spindle
But the nine has 180 haste
empty spindle
Sockets that valuable ?
halcyon shard
yes
strong forum
Yes
jagged pier
only 10 ilvls
lime urchin
no crit because you wanna pump \o/
strong forum
If you had to equate it to ilvl, that 252 ring is like 264
blazing condor
๐ณ
safe thistle
bah socket you can just apply it ๐
blazing condor
let people play however they want gang
halcyon shard
illegal
jagged pier
the problem with verds is ppl read it and go oh i have 10% so i have 10% damage reduction
KEK
and they dont actually read it
median tulip
Nothing wrong with Mastery. Extra damage, increased physical defense via shield crit block % and increased magic/everything defense by increasing ignore pain
empty spindle
If itโs 10% verse itโs like 5% DR
blazing condor
in S1 i had like 25% haste and 20% vers and it literally feels the same as having 8% vers now
jagged pier
^^
empty spindle
halcyon shard
but ITS VERS
jagged pier
afro
empty spindle
I love this discord
halcyon shard
: )
jagged pier
take the damage increase and endurance conduit it will do mor
empty spindle
I JUST WANT DEFENCE MATRIX ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ
wide pilot
i did it boys i swapped to the dark side and moved away from the fae and joined kyrian
median tulip
The only thing to note with Versa is that it does have the most value for reducing magic damage taken, as Crit only has defensive value against physical melee, and mastery only gives you the Ignore Pain part of its defensive utility against magic
But frankly that so fucking niche that it's close to ignorable
blazing condor
a 10% DR to a wicked bolt is nice and all but it's still gonna truck my fucking ass out
median tulip
Yeah. The only place it might matter is Eye. But... That's not so difficult anyway
safe thistle
The Eye Mythic. pretty straight forward shield block up when you tank an add. Piercing Lens can be spell reflected. ignore pain is your friend managing cd well is important keep shield wall for when your group switch side.
safe thistle
you have good healer ๐
i tank with a blood DK and healer seems to think i wont need as much healer as him.....
healing*
jagged pier
u shouldnt
safe thistle
i tank the eye with reprisal too since my wall is still a shoulder
orchid frigate
ok guardian as alt wasnt very fun. dusted off my monk and had a lot more fun. is guardian maybe too good for having fun?
jagged pier
no its just boring
orchid frigate
hehe
strong forum
I like tank and spank
orchid frigate
go into the felhammer and say that in vengeance
on second thought they would probably also tank and spank
orchid frigate
wonder if blizzard will look into cross faction play and loot master next?
after that some gcd changes and what else?
tame jasper
Hope blizz will kick off shitty ideads like dom sockets and hall of fame mythic lock
jagged pier
hall of fame mythic is fine imo
just faction imbalance
get rid of faction and make HoF first 200 guilds
ez
orchid frigate
yeah dom sockets is so bad
jagged pier
dom sockets were an okay idea bad implementation
tame jasper
hall of fame mythic is fine imo
The hof to getting ranks is fine, the lockout of non-guilds/xrealm raid. A raid where not X players (dont know the exact) of one guild are in wont count as an guild acievement anyway - and even when only fof those in the guild. But they cant even get there due lockout. Make the title independet from the lockout. Let players play and do not force them in some weired pseudostructures
jagged pier
we've had this discussion before we arent going to agree
strong forum
dom sockets were an okay idea bad implementation
Just like all the systems so far
lucid pasture
on sims
does it use last stand as a dps cd?
cause of increased rage gen with conduit
modern brook
Don't stand in the line
Well no
You have had the problem before
You're just now doing content where it'll punish you for not playing
you're over thinking it
odd nimbus
dont get stacks from the line cause the overhead frontal thingy scales with that stack am i right?
jagged pier
dont stand in the line
modern brook
literally just dont stand in the line and dont stand in front of the bird
jagged pier
have block up for the slash
jagged pier
its not
u dont need to move the boss all the time
u can just use leap to stack them
thats what i do
so?
they can tank next time
thats what i say
they shut up after that
modern brook
I mean you should also be able to stack them without standing in the line
jagged pier
also that but im lazy
modern brook
our tank waits for the slash then moves him
jagged pier
not really
modern brook
hang on i got this
mellow bridge
getting one stack happens once in a while
press SR and move on
getting 3 stacks is just bad play
yes
jagged pier
thats bad play
jagged pier
theres literally nothing else to say on the matter
yes but as always u may have not been doing 19 tyrancial so can get away with 3 stacks
like for instance i was complaining about 1 stack hurting because i got chunked by it in a 20
modern brook
jagged pier
and a druid in my guild was like
modern brook
you may notice
jagged pier
NO IT DOESNT HURT
modern brook
not being in the line
strong forum
I've never had issues with that
Like, just don't move infront of the boss
Or just behind the bird
Strafe
modern brook
and like see it doesnt hurt
this si the most druid series of statements ive ever seen
jagged pier
like actual fucking mongo brain
strong forum
The dot fucks imo, but just don't get hit
jagged pier
i was like of course it doesnt hurt on a 15
and your also a druid and can deal with the damage much easier
strong forum
And don't stand infront of the bird either
Like, it's simple geometry
I usually leap
Makes it 50x easier
Just leap behind the bird
If the bird moves, move with the bird on the side
modern brook
and your also a druid and can deal with the damage much easier
maybe u should use ip more ๐
strong forum
If you charge, make sure to not be infront of the boss
And don't charge into the birds arrows
jagged pier
maybe u should use ip more ๐
as Nome knows i dont press it
strong forum
I'm pressing right now
dusky canopy
Wait a minute the line gives a stacking debuff that makes the tank buster hurt more?????
Oh my poor healers lmao
mellow bridge
I dont think it makes it hit harder
dusky canopy
I've always just played that when the bird moves I leap behind its stop point
Or charge it if leaps on cd
dusky canopy
Probably taking alot of dots I don't even notice
jagged pier
@modern brook on the eye, the nine, nerthul and soulrender last night i press IP a total of 51 times
dusky canopy
I guess in 18s/19s it's not painful enough yet to care
strong forum
Peko
strong forum
I guess in 18s/19s it's not painful enough yet to care
You'd notice if you had the dot on you
modern brook
<@!204081428869283843> on the eye, the nine, nerthul and soulrender last night i...
a true tank
dusky canopy
Then I guess I'm getting lucky plays I literally never new off this until right now ๐
modern brook
are you doing higher keys
dusky canopy
Yeah 18s timed 19 untimed so far
First boss always trucks now I know why
I'm charging through the beam lol
frail oar
Is the line invisible? I have never seen it and was wondering what I was taking damages from...
strong forum
It's not a frontal
modern brook
Is the line invisible? I have never seen it and was wondering what I was taking ...
no
the line is the big fucking line
median tulip
Well I just read back, and this is comedy gold
modern brook
between the boss and the bird
strong forum
Nothing on this boss can hit dps
Besides the bird
And the bird focuses in 1 direction
Not aiming at the tank
dusky canopy
Imo your dps should adapt to positioning just as much as you have to as tank
strong forum
Yes
modern brook
no arguments
dusky canopy
Move the boss how you see fit and let them whine about it who cares
median tulip
And the bird focuses in 1 direction
The Bird actually picks a non-tank, turns to face that direction, then fires its shite at that direction
strong forum
Exactly
strong forum
The boss doesn't put anything on you except his overhead slash
modern brook
then the boss isnt going to put the line on you
mellow bridge
Imo your dps should adapt to positioning just as much as you have to as tank
idk
that's just refusing to improve as a tank
cyan onyx
You're very obviously missing something here maybe record a run and watch it back to see what's hitting you
mellow bridge
not tanking them together is just trolling your group ๐คทโโ๏ธ
dusky canopy
I'm not saying they shouldn't be tanked together
strong forum
You obv stack them??!
cyan onyx
But you can stack and not get 1 shot
strong forum
How are you killing everyone
dusky canopy
He said they were complaining about him moving the bird and boss together
cyan onyx
Like, they're not mutually exclusive
modern brook
Lysis has the idea dude
mellow bridge
what how
strong forum
With what are you killing everyone
modern brook
Cause this isnt rocket science
just stack them
and dont walk through the line to do it
mellow bridge
there is no frontal
strong forum
There is no frontal
modern brook
^
jagged pier
so your all dying to the bird then?
median tulip
let them complain. what are they gonna do, wait 3 hours for a new tank? You're the tank, they are the DPS. You are not the one who has to give a fuck about this.
mellow bridge
it's not a frontal
strong forum
It's not a frontal
modern brook
the big guy does not do a frontal
sweet summit
the only frontal is the bird orbs
modern brook
it just looks likea frontal
strong forum
The dps also don't stack with you
sweet summit
it got changed from a frontal like week 2
dusky canopy
Like I said. That's a dps positioning problem. They need to adapt to where you have the two stacked on that fight
dusky canopy
Not the other way around
mellow bridge
It only does damage to the tank
jagged pier
IT
dusky canopy
And the tank buster doesn't cleave
strong forum
modern brook
lmao jakey
strong forum
So
modern brook
They can however get the dot from line
right but we covered that strat in detail
median tulip
They can however get the dot from line
That's a "them" problem
modern brook
just dont be in the line
dusky canopy
They need to adapt to the tank not the other way around
mellow bridge
that destroys you as a tank
strong forum
- Dps don't have to stack ontop of you
- It's not a frontal
- You stack the 2 mobs together so the dps can hit both
- The bird does a frontal aimed at a random party member and focuses in that direction
- The line puts a dot on you, but that can easily be avoided
median tulip
it's single target
cyan onyx
Wait did he just tell me to shut up wtf bro we fighting
mellow bridge
only hits YOU
the bird orbs hit everyone
and so does the line
avoiding those is individual responsibility
you can aim the overhead slash however you want
it does not matter
modern brook
can you still dodge the slash by moving out of it?
modern brook
nvm nom has omega brain future vision
strong forum
For over half a year you can't
modern brook
For over half a year you can't
I never tried :^)
mellow bridge
sometimes it does like 0 dmg