i think they should just make a super talent system
#protection
lusty grotto
like... im thinking a few single player games have
and just keep expanding it
i think they dont cause they think it might be confusing for newcomers, but they should just give out free points to catch up
and just continue with that system for future expansions
wew i saved the photoshop file for my pfp ;D
mighty valley
games need novelty in updates, but if they only add and never take away, the game becomes wildly overloaded
if you solve that in a way that's not """borrowed power"""
you're a genius, go collect your key to the city
chilly brook
games need novelty in updates, but if they only add and never take away, the gam...
I 100% disagree
FFXIV and PoE are two games that fly in the face of that
lusty grotto
PoE is a good example
chilly brook
Same with ESO
lusty grotto
i think the idea is that they consolidate when it gets too bloated
but never completely remove
mighty valley
ffxiv has lived less than half wow's lifespan and has already had some class redesigns with pruning
also why does it make me do the shitty early dungeons with 3 buttons
cut that shit
lusty grotto
because they dont want you assblasting it for newbies
chilly brook
Redesigns don't disprove the point
lusty grotto
its not a big deal, you hit max level and you dont touch leveling roulette again unless you need to level another job
chilly brook
They haven't been taking away
mighty valley
i wish they would
chilly brook
In fact Yoshi P has talked about they want to do the opposite continue building without providing too much bloat
brave jetty
Forget XIV
mighty valley
it already has the bloat of forcing you to do 200+ hours of story unless you want to pay extra
brave jetty
Lost Ark is where it's at
chilly brook
I mean the story isn't bloat...
mighty valley
there is sooooooo much bloat in the story
brave jetty
Having played it, Lost Ark is the real deal
chilly brook
It's legit one of the only stories that has actually made me cry
And I'm not even done with it
mighty valley
yeah it gets good, eventually, after the wild slog of ARR and the awful pre-heavensward stuff
lusty grotto
right but the story is a one time thing
chilly brook
It's not wow
mighty valley
i keep wanting to recommend it to friends because I loved shadowbringers, but it's like telling a friend to stick with a show because it gets good in season 5
chilly brook
Approaching it like wow is a recipe for just not liking it tbh
Hard disagree
I enjoyed ARR
mellow bridge
idk ARR was barely enjoyable to me
chilly brook
Including post content between ARR and Heavensward
mellow bridge
then I got into the post ARR/pre heavensward stuff
and just couldnt take it anymore
chilly brook
Heavensward turned it up to 11
mighty valley
there is SO much "warp here. read one line. warp here and walk a while. read two lines. warp back to the first place."
lusty grotto
well im hoping they rework a bit of it
it shouldn't take that long to enjoy a game tbh
mellow bridge
there is SO much "warp here. read one line. warp here and walk a while. read two...
that's exactly what turned me off
I was warping around more than actually playing the game
chilly brook
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
mighty valley
you're just stuck at lvl 50 doing nothing but reading for so long
and i get it, at the time it was pad content while they worked on the next expansion
but new players still have to do it now
i don't have to do like, cataclysm patch 3 story content
lusty grotto
theyre not wrong though griff
and i feel like they do know the story gets a shitton better halfway heavensward
chilly brook
i don't have to do like, cataclysm patch 3 story content
In fairness cataclysm could legitimately have not happened and you wouldn't know it if you just started in WoW
lusty grotto
but that amount of story still exists, and they have removed a portion of it
chilly brook
Because nothing before BFA actually is relevant to current WoW
lusty grotto
im confident they will shorten it up a bit, didnt they say they would rework cape easywind
chilly brook
Like 5 years later we still have a sword in a planet and it hasn't even been explored
mighty valley
exactly, it's smart to build your story so that you're not completely lost if you start later in an MMO
mighty valley
i mean, they've already announced plans to condense it, so i guess square disagrees with you?
lusty grotto
also keep in mind, that ive heard rumors that after endwalker they will completely revamp the new player experience, probably summarizing the whole deal
mighty valley
i don't love all of wow's story choices, i'm just baffled by people who say "i hate that i had to stop and watch a cutscene all the time in shadowlands leveling. ffxiv will solve my problems"
chilly brook
Condensing it is fine but theres a difference between saying it should just be irrelevant and new players should just be brought into an xpac and have everything before it not matter
Are there probably better ways to handle ARR sure
Is it severely problematic? Imho no
mighty valley
there's a middle ground, right? it's just not an uncommon opinion that ffxiv story is a real slog that eventually, EVENTUALLY pays off
it genuinely helps to have a friend who knows when you can skip without missing anything important
chilly brook
The payoff is lessened if the journey is compromised though
brave jetty
I don't doubt at all that XIV is a good game, but I never got past my issues with gameplay feel. That's everything to me in an MMO. Or ARPG for that matter.
lusty grotto
hmm
thats another thing... ARR feels slow combatwise, and they should make OGCDs available earlier
mighty valley
I don't doubt at all that XIV is a good game, but I never got past my issues wit...
yeah i also prefer wow's gameplay feel. ffxiv's tanks just feel like dps sequences that are complex and slow. gunbreaker's the most fun of them though
chilly brook
It's similar to something like PUBG, part of what made the game addicting was the fact that there were portions of quiet almost "boring" gameplay because it makes when you get into a fight that much the tense and the payoff/risk greater
Theres obviously a middle ground, though because you don't want to make your game just not fun to play either
brave jetty
WoW is still the most tight and fluid MMO gameplay for me. I'll abide a lot of bullshit if it plays right. I'll overlook a lot of good shit if it doesn't.
chilly brook
But I don't think everything should just be all gas no brakes
Because the gas portion just loses the specialness
lusty grotto
yeah i dont think they will go that way griff
they def want some degree of build up
and i do agree that wow has great fluidity
but fuck that game
chilly brook
Ironically I'm going to just say I agree with the bald man on his assessment of ARR
ionic fern
Thanks - what is my assessment of ARR?
lusty grotto
wheres your cat mwahi
ionic fern
At work. ๐ฆ
chilly brook
And I can sit here and say that yes there were some really boring parts of ARR but the fact remains that it had more than enough good parts in the story to take up a good 100+ hours that all i could think about was getting home and playing
mighty valley
HW great, ShB really great, SB... some parts good
wooden radish
<@!222898004598849536> oh hi
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mighty valley
I guess it would be easier to take if you weren't capped in character growth during some of the worst parts of the story
wooden radish
@ionic fern is ignore pain a dps increase for prot like it is for arms
mellow bridge
I sure enjoyed my forced dungeons as a dragoon where my group pulled 15 mobs at a time and I had not a single aoe skill for half the time
mighty valley
srsly
the first few dungeons are worse than anything in wow, and they take your buttons away
some fights they just... legit forgot to give dps things to do
mellow bridge
idk
lusty grotto
i do agree with all of this
lusty grotto
however
lusty grotto
leveling is for leveling, you do it while you get to 80 and never touch it again
until you wanna level another job
mellow bridge
sure but when leveling takes that long ๐คทโโ๏ธ
lusty grotto
uhh
mellow bridge
it's not like WoW leveling is much better
not saying that
but I dont have to do it anymore ๐
lusty grotto
mighty valley
leveling alts in wow is definitely better than leveling other jobs, you can just choose not to do the stuff you don't like
lusty grotto
mighty valley
well, at least up until having to do the maw scenario again
glad they're finally killing that
chilly brook
the first few dungeons are worse than anything in wow, and they take your button...
Dont really agree with that
lusty grotto
i wouldn't say leveling alt jobs is slow....
chilly brook
Took some irl friend through a few leveling dungeons in WoW
They didnt have anything great to say either
mellow bridge
personally i was talking about leveing your fist character nimchip
not alts
I have no idea about alts
mighty valley
go do copperbell mines again, it's barely like playing the game
chilly brook
It's just kinda disingenuous to knock one for having slow dungeons at the start while it's the same in the other and when one fully admits that they know it's slow and its intentionally that way for new comers
lusty grotto
i level other jobs so i do leveling roulettes
i understand where youre coming from
and i agree
chilly brook
go do copperbell mines again, it's barely like playing the game
So is doing AD at level 15
lusty grotto
but it applies to everyone
lusty grotto
the one thing that SE has to do is make sure ogcds and a bit of aoe is given out earlier
chilly brook
Or even worse do it in RFC
mighty valley
ok - if you pop deadmines at lvl 45, do you go back to flash heal and smite?
chilly brook
lusty grotto
but they definately should NOT give you all abilities
mighty valley
why not just let you keep your abilities but scale dmg so you don't destroy everything?
mellow bridge
but for dragoon i literally just had to press 1 2 3 1 2 3
and once in a while use that crit buff thing
lusty grotto
it is like that for most classes
chilly brook
ok - if you pop deadmines at lvl 45, do you go back to flash heal and smite?
No but you don't continue to do copperbell either
mellow bridge
that's just too basic especially with the long gcd
mighty valley
you do! it pops up in lvling roulette!
lusty grotto
why not just let you keep your abilities but scale dmg so you don't destroy ever...
because some dungeons arent designed with all abilities in mind
chilly brook
Sure if you do it
mellow bridge
gimme 1-2 off gcds and it probably already feels a lot better
lusty grotto
yeah i agree muyuu
chilly brook
I'm with muyuu on that
I think the biggest criticism while leveling is they could 100% give you abilities a little faster
mighty valley
there might be a handful of utilities they have to lock for some dungeons, but in most cases, i really think it would be fine if you could just keep more of your damage buttons
lusty grotto
sorry i dont agree
mighty valley
what would it break?
lusty grotto
you wanna see how a dungeon breaks? play a blu
sync'ed aurum vale with 4 blus takes 4 mins
literally, people use them to farm mog events
keep in mind i said sync'ed
mighty valley
blue mage is a novelty class they don't care to balance lol
i just think it's annoying to be like "ok, last dungeon was lvl 50, this one is lvl 40. let me remember which button I can't press"
and wow handles scaling fine
so it's a strength to me
mighty valley
sure you do, all dungeons in the leveling experience work from 12-50
lusty grotto
its not an active type of content
you dont go as 50 into lvl 12 dungeons, cmon
heres the deal
you do if you're leveling, but max level people have absolutely no incentive to do them
thats not the case in xiv
chilly brook
I mean the reality is I tried SAM
As soon as I hit 50
And I was lost af
There is some value to how they do it
The execution could be better though
lusty grotto
there's a shit ton of improvements they could make
for sure
but having all abilities is not something i agree with
that being said SE could care less of what i think and they could do it lmao
mighty valley
yeah i should absolutely stop talking about it, I just think losing abilities sometimes feels bad, and wish they could work on a way so you don't have to do it
we can not agree
lusty grotto
of course
final mist
Thereโs an option to lock the leveling roulette to like 8 levels within whatever youโre playing
So toggle that if you donโt like playing Russian roulette with your abilities
modern brook
and wow handles scaling fine
Hahaha
lusty grotto
sal what
mighty valley
oh sick - is that new or did my ff friends fail me
lusty grotto
jfc
mighty valley
time to become bullyfango
lusty grotto
lmaoooo
true
alright alright im updating my pfp
also rip stewart
hmm its too small
@modern brook sir we have to talk about your pfp
this is no bueno
strong forum
Peko
final mist
kon peko kon peko kon peko
lusty grotto
๐ฌ
amber herald
how many of you are catgirls or bunny girls?
strong forum
Bunnygirl
shut summit
roegadyn 4ever
final mist
god why'd you have to remind me
chilly brook
So toggle that if you donโt like playing Russian roulette with your abilities
Good to know
chilly brook
how many of you are catgirls or bunny girls?
I'm a hyur
modern brook
Bunny tako =uwu=
chilly brook
I was playing a female rogaedyn or w/e for a while but swapped with the free fantasia
amber herald
I made a lalafell at first but didn't realise it was a female so I swapped to hyur
chilly brook
Kekw
lusty grotto
i was og an elf too
chilly brook
Playing lala 
lusty grotto
but i changed to human with that first fantasia when heavensward came out
i just couldnt stand the super long necks
final mist
I was elezen from 1.0 to SB, swapped to highlander then, swapped to viera for first part of ShB, and I'm an elf again
amber herald
I intended to play the free trial for a day or two while waiting for 9.1 
chilly brook
Heavensward and everything leading up to it in Coerthas made me actually want to be an elf
amber herald
It's been three months
lusty grotto
that being said i cant fucking stand the running animation on my human char
chilly brook
It's been three months
Kek
lusty grotto
i need to go highlander
chilly brook
I've been playing for like 3 weeks
amber herald
I hate the standing animation for hyur's I think it looks really limp and lame
lusty grotto
you can change it with /cpose
final mist
you can make it cycle too
lusty grotto
err the idle animation
amber herald
yeah I have done, but I still have to see it when I login
lusty grotto
ah
amber herald
I'm a warrior so I stand there with my axe out 10/10 times anyway
lusty grotto
i really wish warriors had other ogcds at endgame
but honestly its my fave tank for sure
im interested in gunbreaker but i havent used it too much
amber herald
I am and always will be zugzug brain so I'm happy whatever
gunbreakers fun I'm playing that on and off with my warrior
amber herald
superbolide is dumb
yeah I levelled a paladin to 60 and then realised I didn't like it
and I'm not an edgy boy so
chilly brook
im interested in gunbreaker but i havent used it too much
Been loving the hell out of GnB
chilly brook
DRK?
lusty grotto
yea
chilly brook
I liked it
But GnB was always the end game
I think the problem with paladin for me is that its missing like half its offensive toolkit until like 70
amber herald
think I'm a highlander too, can't remember (just made sure I was the tallest possible)
lusty grotto
mines a cutie
modern brook
Class sucks
lusty grotto
lmaooo bull
amber herald
giving the healer a heart attack > all
yes I use superbolide on pull why do you ask?
chilly brook
lusty grotto
lmao i remember leveling my whm and a gnb used it and it gave me a mini heart attack
chilly brook
I tried using it last night on a tank buster, it was the wrong move
mighty valley
on pull isn't quite optimal. wait til you see benediction cast on you, then immediately hit superbolide
lusty grotto
i wanna level my drg just cause the class quest was so good with manstinien
chilly brook
Like level 32
chilly brook
i wanna level my drg just cause the class quest was so good with manstinien
Estinien
amber herald
palace of the dead is good for levelling btw, don't grind it but it lets you use your higher level abilities really quick
so less 1,2,3 spam
chilly brook
PotD is actually pretty cool tbh
lusty grotto
yeah thats an alternative for harrow too
my go to is i do leveling with friends, then spam potd if sub 61, hoh if sub 71 and then zadnor/bozja
im working on my RDM
cause i wanna cheese bozja duels
even though i technically can with my main (BLM)
ayo btw
mighty valley
yeah the first few potd on a new job are fun, speed-learning the rotation
lusty grotto
wait till you guys unlock bozja, youll see a rendition of mage tower with duels
its the closest thing to it that ive found
amber herald
bova?
amber herald
bova deez nuts ๐
amber herald
I'm 12
next plaza
If I have a 246 phial and a 246 scale is it worth dropping the phial for a 233 OWS?
For M+ pushing
blazing condor
Ows is more defensives
But id imagine phial would be more dmg
Not sure tho sim for damage
next plaza
I lose 143 dps on a patchwerk sim. I was wondering if the defensive value made it worth
craggy pilot
what tank classes are higher than Prot Warr in terms of dmg? ๐ค
craggy pilot
currently doing 18s on warr
like is DH still the #1 dps?
and then Pala #2?
warr #3?
just trying out DK tanking, and it feels kinda sad doing so low dps
blazing condor
Idrk tbh i dont care that much about other specs
As long as i parse highly in my spec im satisfied with the dps of my class
novel lotus
Trying to decide between upgrading my keystone domination shards, or my blood set...raid is currently on heroic sylvanas, and the majority will likely quit after they get curve.
craggy pilot
upgrading blood shard set will only mean upgrading 1 extra shard
as the 2 blood shards are already being used in M+
so i just went with upgrading Kyr + 3 blood equally
craggy pilot
As long as i parse highly in my spec im satisfied with the dps of my class <:yep...
yea same, but playing DK tank just made me feel maybe Warr is in a RLY good DPS spot
novel lotus
Hm ๐ค Yeah Kyr is the one I have been eyeing, appreciate the input!
blazing condor
Maybe brewmaster do more dam
craggy pilot
yea never really see brews tho
blazing condor
More like whomaster
craggy pilot
and dont know if Palas do a lot of dmg in Keys
looks like they do about same as Warr
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Fc9Qw3TdBbyNzZqk#fight=6&type=damage-done
ok looks like brew pumping lol
7.7k in a +26 oof
amber herald
brew's damage scales with the key levels
in the 18s I did on my brew my dmg was lower than my warriors by 200-400
sweet ivy
Is worth to replace a weapon versa haste for the kelthuzad weapon?
mellow bridge
If the Kt weapon is higher ilvl, yes definitely
Ilvl > stats on anything that isn't jewelry or trinkets
Especially for weapons and shields
Ilvl is MASSIVE on those pieces
mellow bridge
You're talking about the 1 hand right? ๐ค
No reason to swap if its same ilvl in that case
If you're talking about jahys, you're in the wrong channel
mellow bridge
The on use effect of the Kt weapon is just a style thing if that's confusing you
sweet ivy
Really?
sour hill
Any advice on vault upgrade between this or
This?
Chest would have been easy choice before dom socket change
now have 3p blood from gloves
brave jetty
Waited all day for a terrible vault this week =/
I can go from 246->252 in my belt except I swap from Haste/Vers to Vers/Mast
or upgrade secondaries on my hc dom chest
brave jetty
On the chest - yes
real thunder
For M+ specifically, would you stack more verse or haste?
cinder nova
You get STR/Armor/Stam (nobody cares about stam really, but its nice I guess)
Crit.
Vers DRs with block and in most dungeons getting slapped in the face is usually where you're gonna take the most damage, especially on triple or quad pulls.
brave jetty
Yeah I just hate mastery, it's overtaking my shit in recent weeks
cinder nova
Crit provides parry, which can remove entire hits.
Vers > Crit only on like one or two dungeons at certain keys and certain bosses/weeks.
Usually things that deal magical damage or DOTs/bleeds
Plus on the REAL big nukes (Fort week Shadowcore or Fort/Enrage Wicked bolts) even 30% Vers isn't going to save you.
You're still gonna die.
So it's more about your play and CD usage
Plus crit is the ๐ stat for damij
brave jetty
the belt upgrade sims as a DPS loss for me lol
mellow bridge
Any advice on vault upgrade between this or
Id go chest
Even if you don't need it for the set, a dom socket is still huge and has no alternative
- ilvl upgrade on chest
OWS is replaceable by a lot of other stuff depending on the content
sour hill
OWS is replaceable by a lot of other stuff depending on the content
huh, lookin at OWS again... does it drop all stacks anytime you leave combat?
mighty valley
There's a pretty decent grace period
So long as you're already en route to your next pack you should be able to pull in time from what I've heard
lofty widget
i belive its 15 or 20 seconds
mighty valley
to be fair... that isn't the ideal dom chest either...
how many sockets do you already have?
sour hill
3 bracers, helm, gloves
mighty valley
hmm, the non-blood dps shards are pretttttttttty good
sour hill
yeah, leaning towards chest, will probably see what drops in raid friday before Prog Sunday
On a similar topic.... do we re-craft Reprisal to feet for legs dom sockets?
can you equip 6?
craggy harness
It doesnโt give a socket, just gives bonus
craggy harness
Itโs to increase the chance for people to have at least a 3x bonus with the shards they have
Itโs confusing, but probably their easiest fix without increasing drop rates or adding some kind of vendor
sour hill
yeah
mighty valley
yeah it's a weird band-aid for sure, they just had to up the count to 6 to give each set bonus 2
don't think it even matters, haven't seen a plate spec caring about frost set bonus
craggy harness
Two set bonuses at once was definitely not in the cards
empty spindle
Is it me or are guilds progressing mythic so much quicker then CN
mighty valley
yeah it's easier
they probably wish they'd launched with the set bonus numbers they tried to nerf to
but couldn't nerf post-launch
digital arch
haste >>>> all
naive panther
Wait you don't need chest for blood set? Or helm for unholy etc?
limber siren
Do guys know where i can get some routes attempting to tank
median tulip
So, apparently there's going to be some changes to Talents in 9.1.5 - does anyone know any more about which Talents?
lime urchin
Do guys know where i can get some routes attempting to tank
Raider.io > the weekly route and adjust to your preferences
obtuse monolith
max upgrade
233 I think with max Archivist research rank. 200 207 213 220 226 233 = 6 ranks
fringe marten
only took like 4x longer than other guilds but..painsmith down. Now I get to get hammered by guardian tomorrow.
? SoD leggings are now the equivalent of "any gem" right?
obtuse monolith
No.
fringe marten
for the sake of making a 3 set bonus 'work' in SoD/maw/korth?
is that not the way it works now?
or are the plate leggings ONLY a third 'frost' gem?
obtuse monolith
Legs can activate winds of winter. You still need three frost shards in other slots. Only frost
fringe marten
sooo...worthless? LOL..wtf
obtuse monolith
Basically. The bracers gloves change is helpful for some though. The leg change equals it out but itโs pretty useless. If you have 3 other slots (which you need for set) but not shoulders, then by default youโd have access to either blood or UH
novel lotus
Pelagos or Mikanikos for raid? ๐ค Kyrian convert here
undone verge
if I time a 20 do I keep the teleport for the entire expac or just this season
warped moth
Pelagos or Mikanikos for raid? ๐ค Kyrian convert here
both viable imo. Mikanikos is more fire and forget (and nice CDR + the trait that gives u absorbs), Pelagos needs u to face your doubt thingy which can be annoying but i guess extra mastery is nice
warped moth
if I time a 20 do I keep the teleport for the entire expac or just this season
forever on that character
proper pecan
the revenge one?
I like it, just yesterday l got 8k overall in +20 ToP
cinder nova
if I time a 20 do I keep the teleport for the entire expac or just this season
Should've timed them on a post-season between 9.0 and 9.1 - they rolled over and I've had my teleports since then.
ezclap
chilly brook
It's a comfy week
unreal sequoia
Do we have a haste cap?
jagged pier
40% unbuffed
jade tartan
is the KT weapon anygood on prot, and if so are you feeding it?
frail oar
Hey guys, what would be better, a 249 hakkar scale or a 226 annhylde aegis ?
blazing condor
Scale would be better for damage
for survivability it's more feely what you prefer imo
i personally play my aegis over my scale - but the aegis has better ilvl
frail oar
it's my first time getting the aegis so i don't know how it plays (i have a scale, but still a 203 from 9.0)
thanks for the infos ๐
jade tartan
is the kt weapon good? and will it be feeded or not`?
unkempt fox
@frail oar str diff is not minor going from 226 to 249 consider that aswell
strong forum
is the kt weapon good? and will it be feeded or not`?
The prot weapon is just a normal weapon
You can't feed it
jade tartan
oh
strong forum
The on use effect is just a cosmetic
But the mythic version is bis for us because of ilvl
jade tartan
i c
craggy pilot
cant figure if i should open in Prot or Arms ๐ค
sweet summit
juicy ring ๐คค
blazing condor
๐คค
median tulip
Ho hum, guess that's a weapon then
sweet summit
cant figure if i should open in Prot or Arms ๐ค
do you need
a) one hander
b) shield
c) aegis
if you answered no to these questions, open as arms
thats a sick weapon LETSGOOOOOOOOO
sweet summit
whats your "main spec"
craggy pilot
both ๐
sweet summit
sweet summit
median tulip
I now have 252 Sophisticated Bonecracker + 252 Acidslough Bulwark
median tulip
teach me the way of the vault
Do 10 15s (or above) and hop you get lucky
sweet summit
i did that and got 2 shoulders and one chest...
median tulip
I've had shit weeks as well. But I was so happy when it gave me a shield in week 4
sweet summit
graceful cobalt
what i should take? i think wrist
craggy pilot
i guess literally everything is garbage so i have to pick Anima Field?
sweet summit
the ring is pretty good for fury (wink wink)
mighty egret
sweet summit
but anime is very solid, id take that or the reseach lol
craggy pilot
but anime is very solid, id take that or the reseach lol
what about 252 Signet of False Accuser? ๐คฃ
sweet summit
what i should take? i think wrist
idk what the first raid option is, but wrists are good too
craggy pilot
idk what the first raid option is, but wrists are good too
looks like 1h
graceful cobalt
first is a 233 weapon there i have 252
craggy pilot
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/8825259490385...
ohh that was for me
strong forum
High roll vault
craggy pilot
dont play fury tho
sweet summit
ah yeah, take wrists if you need them, or cloak if it is upgrade/has better stats
median tulip
I'm Kyrian, so my DPS Offspec is Arms
graceful cobalt
back i have a 242 haste/Versa wrist 242 haste/versa
sweet summit
do your 242 wrists have a domination socket (i dont know the ilvls and shit sorry)
median tulip
what i should take? i think wrist
Is that Cloak the Blighted Margrave's Cloak? Haste/Vers? Because if so it's a really nice Cloak IMO
graceful cobalt
no they from M+ no socked
drifting oasis
searchin in this channel there seems to be no reference to Pulsating Stoneheart, is it just so bad no one had bothered asking about it? got a 252 in the vault and wondering about it, I guess the slow just makes it worse than useless?
strong forum
It's dogshit
sweet summit
you could wait until you clear heroic to see if you get wrists from that, or just take the wrists if the cloak is bad (i have no idea what cloak that is)
craggy pilot
is signet of false accuser any worth on Prot Warr? ๐ค
sweet summit
its not terrible, pretty good, but not the best either
median tulip
Unfortunately it's mostly Mastery
sweet summit
big mastery many crit block 
craggy pilot
mastery is crit block? ๐ค
sweet summit
mastery increases the chance of crit blocks
and also gives bonus attack power
(it also increases regular block chance but that's irrelevant since shield block exists the way it does)
craggy pilot
so is mastery more deeps than haste/vers?
jagged pier
craggy pilot
alrdy logged off and went to work ๐ข
strong forum
Mastery is good dps if you can get it for free
Otherwise vers/crit are better dps sources
craggy pilot
feelycraft it ๐
i feel it would do more deeps ๐
empty spindle
I donโt have a 252 ring but got one in vault crit haste with leech and dom socket - should I use it over my heroic nine ring ? Even though itโs got less haste (the 252 ring)
strong forum
Yes
It has a socket, prolly not a Dom socket tho, and good stats so it's infinetely better than the heroic ring
craggy pilot
dom socket on ring ๐ฎ
jagged pier
It will be prismic
orchid frigate
sweet summit
aegis and matrix
blazing condor
aegis + matrix is nutty
sweet summit
halcyon shard
@sweet summit SHIT
sweet summit
@halcyon shard DOG
stray hemlock
Should I go full chad and go crit haste on reprisal legs??
sweet summit
Sure ๐
strong forum
That's what I did
stray hemlock
Vers just seems like it doesn't do enough for the ham 15 keys and heroic raid. Dont need the negligible safety for magic damage
strong forum
Exactly
lucid pasture
bois
for soulrender
you bring an ele shaman for good aoe damage also right?
like it has good burst cleave so thats what it should capitalize on right?
strong forum
Weirdly specific question
lucid pasture
Weirdly specific question
answer pl0x so i can either go flame or praise someone ๐
im kidding i would never flame
strong forum
It's not just a do or don't answer
lucid pasture
ofc ofc but i was just wondering
since my ele shams dmg is low both on boss and on adds
sweet summit
Id rather have a pumper monk for adds
strong forum
He has short CD on stormkeeper if he wants to pad
lucid pasture
Id rather have a pumper monk for adds
we do
lucid pasture
but the pump isnt high enough ig
sweet summit
Are you wiping to adds?
lucid pasture
no not exactly
more like wiping to not getting the chains cause we arent blasting the adds
and sometimes the adds directly aswell
i was just wondering since im looking through logs and comparing and stuff
sweet summit
I assume you have dk(s) for grips
sweet summit
Shaman isnt bad, but the adds need to be stacked and almost stationary
And it also depends on how fast you kill big guy, the faster the better
lucid pasture
ye we tend to try and focus him big so we can kill fast
and then at like 40% maybe we try to group all the adds
unique shale
go sfa big dps
is it better than phial really ?
median tulip
The AFE is great. I basically never unequip mine.
lucid pasture
unique shale
The AFE is great. I basically never unequip mine.
even for aoe ?
blazing condor
i mean haste is haste
the area is big and procs relatively often
but there are better trinkets
ive played a bit with AFE and its np
median tulip
I'm a big big fan of it
unique shale
i use those two and i am at 31% haste don't know if i really need that extra haste
median tulip
and yeah, regardless of AoE. More Rage.
median tulip
i use those two and i am at 31% haste don't know if i really need that extra has...
That's a fair question. I'm sitting dead on 20% Haste before the AFE proc, which I feel is a good level to be at
strong forum
even for aoe ?
Haste translates better into aoe dps than St dps
So afe is good especially in aoe, but with your trinkets I wouldn't bother
Sfa is our best trinket in ST offensively BTW
You looked at the Arms bloodmallet trinket breakdown, not prot
blazing condor
how come many people opt to play sack over it ?
strong forum
Cuz they prolly don't have sfa
unique shale
i just wanna pick something that benfit prot and arm
strong forum
Sfa is also great for arms
unique shale
just doing sim for arm let's see
unique shale
taz boost with randoms be like
aright old warrior and phial are sim better than other trinket
i think i ganna go afe
strong forum
Wtf
median tulip
I do Taz for fun. It's kinda restful after doing 18s all day
strong forum
You don't even need to do a deathless run for the mount, and everybody gets it
Like...
Just do it?
unique shale
you only get one shot for it since they want unsave people unless they cannot find tank or healer for hours
i tried to pug taz and they kill bosses they want and leave group
median tulip
This sounds like some kind of PUG problem I'm too static to understand
strong forum
i tried to pug taz and they kill bosses they want and leave group
Yeah cuz everything else is worthless
I specifically wrote in my LFG, 4dps 1tank 2 bosses only
Done.
Works every time
median tulip
I'm looking forward to when the M+ version of it becomes available, NGL
unique shale
i already don't like traz m+
unique shale
so many unbalance things
strong forum
-80% health
unique shale
mail boss is still bug
median tulip
Oh I'm absolutely sure it'll be rebalanced
unique shale
Oh I'm absolutely sure it'll be rebalanced
strong forum
They will balance m+
They've done it for mechagon perfectly
They've actually learned from cathedral
unique shale
How is mail boss bugged?
you cannot pick up bombs and sometimes bombs drop on your hand
median tulip
But balance bugs are to be expected. I'm willing to bet that when this Legion M+ Timewalking comes out, there will be some horrendous scaling issues for the first week
strong forum
Mail boss always Dies in 50sec have never done mechanics on him so idk
unique shale
what is point of ptr then kekw
unique shale
Mail boss always Dies in 50sec have never done mechanics on him so idk
that's why because we asked everybody to go dps
nuke it down
easy
median tulip
PTR is for smartarses who want to write supercilious guide posts for wowhead and IV
๐
strong forum
PTR is bad for wow
Change my mind
It literally removes all the exploration
All the unknown stuff
You instantly know everything you have to do in new patch before it's even out
unique shale
you have to be super bored to do that tbh
strong forum
Unless you legit avoid wow related information, there's no way to naturally experience wow
median tulip
This is why I avoid reading guides for the first week or two
unique shale
wait are you guys reading guides ?
median tulip
Lots of people - probably over half the player base - do not obsessively read guides and watch streamers
median tulip
Mind you, ISTR there were some stats said that half the player base never even sets foot in a Mythic 0 dungeon
unique shale
damm AFE is 0.5 dps gain for port in dungs sim
unique shale
then which sim should i use ?
unique shale
patchwerk ?
strong forum
To get an idea of aoe performance
Ye ofc patchwerk
You never sim anything else but patchwerk
unique shale
yes sir
wide pilot
What exactly is attracting the higher io warriors to niya over korane
unique shale
You *can* sim 5 targets 1min
now its 0.7k dps gain xd
ruby oar
233 warrior's soul or 226 matrix for M+?
jagged pier
Both
ruby oar
242 scale is 2nd
jagged pier
I would still run both tbh
strong forum
What exactly is attracting the higher io warriors to niya over korane
Logging out in raid soulbinds
Or the increased HP from Grove invigoration, but most likely just logging out in raid soulbind
deft hazel
Would anyone suggest playing the thunderlord legendary to start off or go straight to repraisal? I like the idea of thunderlord but looks like its missing something to bring it on par to others
silk edge
I would personnaly go straight for the optimal play and get use to what youโll be playing down the road anyway
craggy pilot
Thunderlord is very meh, as demo shout is not a very impactful ability
silk edge
Well with booming voice it is
craggy pilot
Tru, but then i still believe bsc + reprisal does more dmg
Just go reprisal, much more fun legendary than thunderlord
prisma bear
its like momentum you should just start practising it will be well rewarded
deft hazel
Okay thankyou ^^
wanton comet
Opinions on Avoidance vs +6 ilvl ?
strong forum
Opinions on Avoidance vs +6 ilvl ?
Ilvl
Tertiary stats are not of consideration when comparing items
The only one that you care about is socket
median tulip
Thunderlord is very meh, as demo shout is not a very impactful ability
Thunderlord is underwhelming because Thunderclap got hammered by the nerf bat at the end of BfA and now hits like a soggy noodle. Hopefully the 9.1.5 talent rework will improve Crackling Thunder and/or Booming Voice to make it viable, but until such time as that happens, play Reprisal
lucid pasture
i hope they make it so talenting into crackling thunder will give it some kind of extra thingy other than range and small slow
acoustic root
The only one that you care about is socket
I know you answered that a bazzillion times, but i cant remember right now, a socket is worth how much of ilevel again?
strong forum
Depends on the slot
3ilvl on big stat pieces, 7 ilvl on small stat pieces
And like 13ilvl on rings and neck
obtuse monolith
So in the above, same ring, 6ilvl is 10 stats. Socket is 16.
median tulip
i hope they make it so talenting into crackling thunder will give it some kind o...
A long long time ago it used to reduce attack speed
lime urchin
The guild is letting me tonk the heroic raid tonight! Exciting! (I only play m+ but I need domination stuffs apparently!)
lucid pasture
A long long time ago it used to reduce attack speed
๐ฎ
ngl after seeing frost fury set i really want to try it, but sadly im godtank so they dont want to let me dps
but little do they know
i already am a dps
cyan onyx
Is Viscera just a bad trinket? I know the damage portion is pretty low but how does the healing portion perform? I have a 246 scale and 252 decanter of Anima charged winds so I doubt I'm replacing anything anytime soon
acoustic root
3ilvl on big stat pieces, 7 ilvl on small stat pieces
Thank you!!๐ค๐ป
tender phoenix
which one both are upgrades cus i have 239 in both slots
strong forum
If you have the Dom socket already, the weapon is
If you don't have a Dom socket, still weapon probably
tender phoenix
was thinking that just a bit unsure
strong forum
Heroic kt weppy is bis mog
I'm seriously considering picking it over aegis if the vault ultra blesses me
Just for the mog
It's such a good mog
plush tendon
dom sockets are temporary. TMOG is forever
strong forum
Exactly
dusky canopy
Looking for 2cents.. what is the proper way to handle sylvannas taunts? I've been taunting after co tank has heart seeker and gets a wailing arrow, but it seems other tanks don't do that for me.. am I suppose to plan on surviving two sets of heartseeker?
plush tendon
Tbh, I donโt think it really matters
Maybe thatโs because we run VDH and BDK, but like we just play hot potato
โYou want her? Naw you can have her?โ
dusky canopy
Last night in the heroic sylv pug I joined the co tank kept letting me take a second set of heartseeker stacks while I was out with arrow and I kept getting clapped
I was pointing that out but there wasn't any acknowledgement so I'm just wondering if I'm wrong
plush tendon
Nawโฆ if you got arrow on p3 other tank should taunt
dusky canopy
I watched plenty of tank povs and it looks like they always taunt after heartseeker in p1 and p3 and whoever gets the arrow does the arrow
plush tendon
I mean, that seems pretty logical
I think the egregious part is doing heartseeker plus wailing arrow (especially p3). Cause like, the important part of P3 is Banshee Bane managment
dusky canopy
Just read through tank notes, they say it is common for sylvannas to build 6 stacks and nuke witchever tank has threat so I just need to watch that closer and plan SW for it
bright flax
me and cotank have cotank wa setup to taunt every heartseeker and every arrow
on p3 we ignore the heartseeker a bit. all about puddle management so we taunt of eachother if on same platform for poodle drop quite often
dusky canopy
I've yet to make it past the first banshee wail in p3.. pug life lol
plush tendon
Heartseeker only becomes fun for a blood DK when you take one with 6 stacks already ๐
dusky canopy
Can we shield block the physical portion of sylvannas's attacks?
jagged pier
Yep
dusky canopy
Ok so atleast I'm doing that right
sick sentinel
does venthyr condemn ability good for protection warrior??
sweet summit
its the least good out of the four covenant abilities
jagged pier
Ita good during the 40% u can use on on ST or 2-3 targets
timber lagoon
It feels very bad in m+ in my experience
sick sentinel
so it is a waste of rage
timber lagoon
Feels pretty good to pump on bosses when you can use it, and it's not like you can't do content as venth prot
But if I was maining prot I'd have gone kyrian
sweet summit
its not wasted, its good damage
but thats all it does, and it doesnt add anything in aoe
its a strictly single target ability
sick sentinel
thanks for advice.. still be kyrian.. i need Aoe for not lose aggro
somethimes mobs run away
sweet summit
yeah kyrian owns
cyan onyx
I do miss condemn on raid nights ngl. The pump is pretty dope lol
Do about as much as kyrian though tbh
timber lagoon
9.1.5. then I can finally try other covs as prot
sick sentinel
yes we can try out and must admit that ventyr plate set is the best for me..
sweet summit
yes thank you very much it owns very hard
cyan onyx
I just want to be a banner boy if I'm being honest.
jagged pier
Ew
sweet summit
sometimes i feel like simping for the boys too ๐ฅบ
deft hazel
In m+ do i use shield block on cooldown or is there any reason to hold onto it?
sweet summit
as long as you are getting hit with blockable attacks its fine to mash on cooldown, but imo its a bad habit so try not to
sometimes when fighting bosses/single mobs that have casts/times they dont attack you, you kinda just waste shield block if you just mash it
jagged pier
Dont do this
Well your hand should be moving that fast with playing prot but not on 1 key
blazing condor
๐ณ
sweet summit
jagged pier
Yer we are onto painsmith now
jagged pier
Yer i love getting rank 33 and third on boss damage because i didnt cheese of adds
Great fun
blazing condor
frankly thats a skill issue
jagged pier
hybrid forge
any goood streamer/youtubers to watch? wanna watch people push some high keys
blazing condor
for prot warr you can watch Plka he streams a fair bit
sweet summit
Plka: https://www.twitch.tv/plkatv
Tattman: https://www.twitch.tv/tattman
Nomeratur: https://www.twitch.tv/nomeratur
Sense: https://www.twitch.tv/snse
hybrid forge
cheers legends
dry spear
jagged pier
i have smol model bad ui and no voice
jagged pier
Aabb
strong forum
I heard that Nomer guy is pretty fly too
sweet summit
ya he kinda owns sometimes
jagged pier
Nomer has best hair
blazing condor
yeah p much
ebon mango
hey guys, superquick question didnt see it in the pins
whats are 2 best secondary stats for prot?
craggy pilot
indestructible > leech > haste > vers
/S
craggy pilot
why i added /s ๐
blazing condor
ok, ty.
our stats are close enough that ilvl > stats and more stats > "right stats" - but generally speaking its haste > vers > mastery>=crit
craggy pilot
is this worth to upgrade to 246?
blazing condor
if you have way too much valor than you know how to spend then maybe
idk if i would
craggy pilot
like im kinda kitted out, except for VERY specific pieces, so dont rly think i would get anything else thats worth spending valor on
if that makes sense
like it would have to be another 236 neck with socket...
just upgraded my HasteVers ring to 246
oop this is my Arms gear fk me
craggy pilot
im cheap
๐
only have 50k gold
cba paying 20ยฃ to get a 262 leggo
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fzH82RBjtUBnbYT9ryox28
like this is the list of valuable 246 dps increases for my arms set...
kinda small 0.1% increases in most, except for wep (which is like 3k valor, so fk that)
so seems like all i need is a new ring and neck ๐ค
craggy pilot
just had the feeling i cant rly get any upgrades from other than the +15 vault
and it just ensured that feeling ๐
craggy pilot
just love it when the only shit i get from vault is Anima Field ...
craggy pilot
rancid ember
Cuz I do 1 key a week
Do you even play WOW anymore?
jagged pier
He does
rancid ember
๐
sweet summit
๐
blazing condor
Hes higher ilvl than me and i do ive just had bad luck
craggy pilot
just feels shit being able to get loot from 2 bosses, and great vault...
while my guild cant even kill Sylv yet, so only 1 boss...
and pugging Sylv is the worst pugging experience ever, even curved people have no clue what theyre doing ๐คท
i dont get how we are 20 people of 240 ilvl and we cant beat Sylv... and only just killed KTZ this monday
jagged pier
Shield dom helm off pieces that have haste
Neck
Lots of things
Would like to open in in dps as well to get a better phial at some point
craggy pilot
how did gear work in the past when not having Great Vault?
was it token based for everything?
blazing condor
in BFA you had a weekly chest that would give you only one random item
blazing condor
other than that you kinda just had to raid to get tier sets
dungeon gear wasn't viable
cus you had no m+
craggy pilot
this is better, but still shitty, because they locked 5 slots to dom + 1 to legendary...
ah ye
blazing condor
in cata you farmed valor points through HC dungeons to buy gear on par with raid gear
but best gear was always raid
craggy pilot
but back in the day there were badge of something, to trade in for raid sets right?
blazing condor
yeah you got the tokens from the raid
then bought from a vendor
like you did with the CN weps/shields
craggy pilot
kinda feels like Raid is better than M+ now still, because you get way more chances of 252 in Mythic raid
blazing condor
i mean yeah mythic raid is and should imo be the best source of gear
but i also feel like it shouldnt be required to raid mythic to have the most viable builds for dungeons
craggy pilot
yea agree
like im just gonna stop once i have all HC dom pieces
never gonna get the Mythic ones
blazing condor
i got all hc pieces and a normal one
craggy pilot
my guild cant even do it because cross realm is still locked
blazing condor
sad
craggy pilot
but we never plan on doing Mythic anyway
rancid ember
1st 3 bosses are very puggable. Lots of guilds always trying to fill a few slots that are 3/10 or 4/10 weekly. Can sneak some 252 off those raids
craggy pilot
everyone left last season after HC Denathrius
craggy pilot
1st 3 bosses are very puggable. Lots of guilds always trying to fill a few slots...
still requires same server, never seen any of these signups happening
rancid ember
Ahh I'm on big server :/ Tich
craggy pilot
ye i would have to move to Kazzak or something
shut summit
Wish xrealm opened when your faction filled, not both
blazing condor
yeah i dont really see the reasoning
craggy pilot
alliance xrealm should just be open imediately
and then horde be locked until 100 maybe
shut summit
Lol
blazing condor
unless they're afraid it'll skew factions even more
since "horde xrealm will always open first"
shut summit
Poor alliance
blazing condor
"so i should play horde"
craggy pilot
if they want to give alliance a benefit, then they should just have xrealm instant
novel lotus
Just offer free faction xfers for a week and see who goes
craggy pilot
like this is dumb, my social guild almost done with HC, and Mythic is still not open ๐
shut summit
agreed
plush tendon
I mean, there is literally no reason why it should be server locked
Basic Economics; reduce barriers to entry, and you'll see a rise in commerce. In this case, remove the realm barrier and more players would be into mythic raiding
but also... screw the Alliance ๐
jagged pier
Factions are dumb
plush tendon
Factions were cool in 2004. In modern WoW it makes much less sense
but they were a defining feature when the game first came out
plush tendon
and it persists today since its always existed
jagged pier
So wear faction based classes
plush tendon
fucking war mode
Warmode is a travesty
blazing condor
"grr i hate you no wait we need to work together to save the planet"
blazing condor
"also now we're literally in the afterlife tryna survive but we will still kill eachother lol even if our leaders work together"
plush tendon
i mean, thats really not that uncommon tbh
bright flax
Always prefered pve realms but I've engaged in way less pvp since war mode
blazing condor
yeah but if we're supposed to be champions of our factions it'd seem logical we'd follow with what our leaders do
idk
its not like we're just brutes
we're like top dawgs
plush tendon
Its much harder to see the faction divide now since Thrall is a weenie
When it was Voljin and Varian, the peace between Horde and Alliance was a lot more.... unstable
but Thrall is a bitch
and a coward
bright flax
I don't mind the factions nor the idea of making one faction. I dread the name blizz would call it would make the userbase run away
plush tendon
but anytime we see Thrall and Jaina together its like