What talents are you using?
Are you sure you're running out of SB charges and not running out of rage to cast SB?
Are you sure you're not wasting SB charges - e.g using SB at the end of a pack?
#protection
ionic fern
fiery bane
What talents are you using?
Are you sure you're running out of SB charges and no...
i was useing wrong talents, changed that
fiery bane
What talents are you using?
Are you sure you're running out of SB charges and no...
Im sure of that, its imposible to have 100% uptime on SB, what should i use on higher keys when SB is on CD? it should happen alot, SB duration its like half of his CD
ionic fern
It does not actually happen a lot. 🙂
You should be getting ~80%+ effective SB up-time.
fiery bane
with the wall lego?
ionic fern
Slightly lower with The Wall - you will be using BOlster then to compensate not running Reprisal.
strong forum
I hit up to 77% with the wall
So it's close to possible defo
And without bolster I got up to 68%
And without reprisal
fiery bane
Slightly lower with The Wall - you will be using BOlster then to compensate not ...
yea but LS has 2min cd with Bloster, there still gaps, its safe to use SW without SB?
strong forum
Absolutely
fiery bane
so i should be focusing on useing the big cd (LS and SW) when my SB are on cd
this spec is way more cd dependant than my prot pally...
strong forum
Well...
That's kinda how our spec is built
We have CDs to use them
Not sit on them forever not using it
That's bad Design
Same as pally actually
They're built around using CDs
If you don't use CDs you're playing prot pally wrong
fiery bane
yea but pally mitigation can have 100% uptime
strong forum
It's just pwar is entirely proactive without safety nets
fiery bane
and its build in on the rotation
strong forum
yea but pally mitigation can have 100% uptime
Yes but their active mitigation is weaker than prot armor BASELINE
strong forum
A pally with sotr up, has less armor than prot warrior baseline, or atleast very close to each other
fiery bane
i should not die that much on a +2
fiery bane
i know that, just dont know what it is that im doing worng :S
chilly brook
Am I taking damage that I cant block?
novel lotus
🤔
strong forum
^
chilly brook
Or IP if you're taking a lot of damage
chilly brook
It's that straight forward
Press your offensive buttons on CD
Shield slam on CD
Avatar on CD
strong forum
TC on CD
Ravager on CD
SW relatively often, as you need it
LS relatively often as you need it
DS on CD
chilly brook
I'm probably coming off as obtuse but it's actually that simple
strong forum
Once you got the groove of it, it works
Just practice your rotation a bit more, and craft reprisal
That shit is goat
plush tendon
You mean, reprisal is a great band aid
craggy pilot
is it possible to do cross realm Mythic yet?
lofty widget
still only like 20/100 ally guilds with CE, it will be a while
craggy pilot
lol
lofty widget
oh no, actually 47
craggy pilot
what bosses should you lust in Mist?
rancid ember
On Fort 1st, 2nd, and you should have it back up for a double pull after 3rd boss is usually what I do
22 Mists my high this week
strong forum
On mists 26 the bdk and his group stealth potted to the first lieutenant and lusted him + the double caster pack next to him
Then prolly lusted somewhere in the maze with a double pull
mellow bridge
1st lust depends a lot on your group comp and dmg which kinda sucks when pugging
if lusting allows you to skip a phase on 1st boss then that's the biggest gain you can get probably
if it doesnt (like it doesnt for qiao's group), then it's just a waste
serene birch
There is an addon for Hunter that automatically targets Tanks with Misdirection. Does something similar exist for Intervene and Healers?
I specifically do not want to manually set a focus target
cinder nova
🤔 ...imagine your healer saying paper tank while doing 6K HPS and you're doing 5.5K HPS.
Hmmm.
I don't understand healers that just don't ever push their cooldowns except when panicking.
Or pug paladins that hand of sac at sub 30% HP instead of just using it on the open of big pulls.
lunar jackal
pressing externals after the damage has already happened and no deadly mechanics are coming is Pugging 101
Paladin's dying cause "i had nothing" while bubble is sitting there half dungeon
cinder nova
Equally as fun: shouting at hunters to tranq weapons in SOA
"It's not an enrage???"
People not reading tooltips tilts me hard
Another fun one...
"Taunt"
CD
"Leap then taunt?"
??? what
serene birch
I just mouseover
ALso don't want to use mouseover 😉
mossy peak
stackable stag update: the mobs in korthia that carry you, carry the stag instead
hollow sun
"Taunt"
> CD
"Leap then taunt?"
> ??? what
heroic leap resets the cd of taunt
novel lotus
lol
hollow sun
ALso don't want to use mouseover 😉
Make a target=gnegne macro and replace it in every run. Not every healer stands in melee all the time. If you tie yourself to intervening only the healer you might get in trouble or have bad positioning
blazing condor
Ngl it took me longer than it should to realize Heroic leap reset taunt
I feel like it wasnt on the tooltip until recent
hollow sun
i actually realized it completely random, when i was moving my keybinds a few months ago. I was pretty 
for not noticing it earlier
tender phoenix
is AM the best lvl 50 talent untill like about +20s ish then HR for M+ that is with Reprisal Leggo
blazing condor
is AM the best lvl 50 talent untill like about +20s ish then HR for M+ that is w...
More like +25
But yes
You always have reprisal tho
lofty widget
HR is the turtle build, shouldnt be needed outside the highest keys
blazing condor
People play HR because they wanna be able to focus less on their rotation so they can shotcall and more focused
And also because the extra %s in block uptime is needed for their survival
It is not needed in lower keys
If it would be its because youre playing sub-par
wide pilot
Or they feeling lazy 🤣
serene birch
Na, also not the solution I am looking for. Thank you either way, but I am literally only interested in automatic Healer select+intervene, without manual interfering needed
near pewter
Does anyone know where i can get a route for PF that skips the first part of trash?
lofty widget
Try /cast [@party1] Intervene and replace the 1 with whatever position the healer has in your party frames
hollow sun
ahhhhh, mb then. Gotta go to sleep soon 
novel lotus
Anyone else struggle with halls or am I just a dumpster fire
My biggest issue I think is making efficient use of the allotted time 
wide pilot
It’s tight fort week
novel lotus
Hit the last boss on a +18 with 60 seconds to go lol
sick sentinel
i wonder if i should go about reviving this dude come whenever patch notes/9.1.5 comes
mighty valley
Halls is definitely tight although they buffed the timer a little
It's mostly about routing, you can efficiently grab all the trash you need before 1st boss then stealth straight to 2nd boss
woven carbon
Reprisal is still bis for all content right? Or is anythinf changing in 9.1.5 that you guys know of? I want to raid and do 15s so I can have the mount
sturdy sable
Reprisal will be your go to for pretty much all content
obtuse monolith
There’s merit to having any rank of The Wall for Eye & Sylvanas, or some kind of DPS lego for low keys, but Reprisal does well at nearly all PVE content. Clear SOD H without ever taking it off and same with keys.
split eagle
Is there any drawbacks from pulling in agonizers when overlord is about 40%?
For soulrender mythic
rough stone
hello does anyone know can you spell reflect obliterate on guardian?
brave jetty
how have y'all been handling the non-elite slimes during the first mini in PF?
sturdy sable
hello does anyone know can you spell reflect obliterate on guardian?
You can def cast it for the 20% mitigation but thats it
Have a immune stand in with you and you can soak it with wall
The whole combo
Well your part of it
cinder nova
The 3rd M+ slot on vault
It's the top 10 keys right?
Now that I have it I can just farm scrub keys for phial ye?
sturdy sable
Ye
cinder nova
Cool.
inb4 I farm all night for it, get it, then upgrade it
Then get a 252
Smart move I guess would be to hold
sturdy sable
Farm it out and wait till tmw to upgrade
lime urchin
Reprisal is just most fun to play!
chilly brook
Even on eye and sylvanas
mythic sylvanas btw
most people are also running HR
which means that survival is in question as AM is by far a better damage choice
jagged pier
No hr and am are the same on ST
cinder nova
Doesn't HR pull ahead a bit more than AM in pure ST fights?
lavish oracle
less than 1%, not even worth noting, really
cinder nova
Bet you if I handed you a ring that did less than 1% more DPS you'd still put it on
cinder nova
Imagine not stacking haste/crit like a pumper
📉
Currently wearing 246 Quel'thalas and Arachnid Cipher Ring
Only 25.6% crit atm
sudden dragon
Hello everybody. I am new to this server. I use to play blood DK, but i allways felt a little squishy, so I switched to protection Warrior. I use to have problems staying alive. Now I feel even squishier and have problems building threat on larger pulls.
I use the charge legendary. So i allways try to charge in. Then I use shield slam followed by revenge then thunder clap and shout. I refresh shield block and ignore pain as much as possible. I just can not stay alive on 10+ m+ keys. Do I miss anything essential?
Item lvl is close to 230
lavish oracle
Threat usually shouldn't be an issue, you want to try and open all pulls with ravager from range before you charge, then charge and revenge
lavish oracle
honestly, I spam revenge a lot in keys, the biggest thing in keys this xpac is pressing revenge more than it might feel like you should
we don't
some armor types do
lavish oracle
oh wait, did they add them for plate?
crimson furnace
got a mini heart-attack
lavish oracle
or are they going to add them?
I don't want another dom slot piece
Oh wait, no armor types currently have legs
fuck, are they adding legs?
crimson furnace
.....
lavish oracle
well
I'm ignoring it
it'll go away
6th dom socket's not gonna be a big increase
crimson furnace
u can have 2 sets
2ith 6 socketed
3 blood + 3 frost
or unholy
....
aaaaaaaaaaaah
head hurts...
lavish oracle
can you?
crimson furnace
yhea
lavish oracle
Please note, there is no benefit from having the activation spell twice.
crimson furnace
ahh
obtuse monolith
There aren’t six sockets and there aren’t double set bonuses
People are making this out to be way more complicated than it is
obtuse monolith
And only frost bonus for plate so eww
crimson furnace
From these notes, legs will continue to NOT have a Domination socket. However, it will be able to activate a set bonus, in addition to the two other off pieces. This change is targeted at players who are having trouble activating their set, such as not being forced to have a Chest to have a Blood set.
This change will likely not affect players who already have their set as pants will likely continue to not have a Domination socket.
🙂
lavish oracle
can't wait til domination sockets cease to exist
tame jasper
Shitty dom sockets
lavish oracle
honestly, would enjoy this patch twice as much if they just didn't exist
eh, well
like 50% more
obtuse monolith
I guess it depends on what you like playing. Doing a lot more raid this patch and a lot less M+ and I like it
median tulip
I don't like the fact that Domination sockets have basically removed 90%+ of the variety in item choice.
tawdry dirge
how shitty is that trinket compared to my other 2?
on bloodmalletsims i did see it in middle of the pack
but scale is nice to have an kinda oshit button
lime urchin
The other two are very nice and the viscera okayish
The emitter is a bit sketchy in m+ due to many movement I suppose
tawdry dirge
yeah but my other options arent that great i mean i could upgrade the viscera to 246
for m+ maybe
blazing condor
Nah AFE > Viscers id say
Haste is both damage and defense
Ive played a lot with afe and it procs relatively often and the area to stand in is big enough that it isnt a problem in m+
lime urchin
Exactly
tawdry dirge
thanks thought
mossy peak
in m+ you are just kinda always gonna roll with scale until you get aegis right
lime urchin
Just get a phial if you want a pumpin trinket
mossy peak
so i would definitely pick the anime emitter with it
tawdry dirge
agies that much btter then scale?
mossy peak
its pretty ludicrously busted
sweet summit
Busted
errant oriole
hey guys if i were to use the wall leggo is bolster still the go to or heavy repercussions?
sweet summit
Bolster or AM
errant oriole
I know reprisal is the hot pick but i feel more comfy with the wall atm : /
sweet summit
Youd run Bolster in m+ and AM in raid then
Altho i do recommend getting used to and comfortable with reprisal
errant oriole
well with reprisal you just have to keep innercept on cd? or is there a video or something explaining it? lol
i feel dumb sorry
median tulip
You charge weave
tawdry dirge
not only intervane also charge
sweet summit
You just charge often and intervene on cd/when you need SB
tawdry dirge
its pretty cool actualy
sick sentinel
Tbh, I like reprisal + AM in M+, feels so bad when I use avatar and I don't have AM as talent 😅 AM keeps lining Avatar with ravager and spear.
sweet summit
Very simple, but might take a while getting used to
blazing condor
No SB charged and no SB up? ChArge
tawdry dirge
raids feel more fun and so does m+
median tulip
I like to bounce between caster mobs. Gives a few seconds of reduced incoming damage while the melee ones reposition.
sweet summit
Makes sense now
blazing condor
sweet summit
It is worse in m+
median tulip
Tbh, I like reprisal + AM in M+, feels so bad when I use avatar and I don't have...
I use AM in all content
jagged pier
well would running the wall make me bad in mythic?
On 8/10 bosses yes
sweet summit
The wall is better for the eye and sylvanas in raid
sick sentinel
well would running the wall make me bad in mythic?
if you are not feeling comfortable with reprisal, use wall for now. Tbh it was nice to have shield wall for every pack thanks to the wall and AM as talent 😄 But the moment you start playing reprisal, you will see how fun it is moving around with charge and intervene while having shield block all the time 😄
median tulip
The eye is easy; you can tank that with Seismic
jagged pier
But why would you
mossy peak
the wall boosts your defenses against infrequent large sources of damage, reprisal increases your defenses against constant smaller damage
sweet summit
mossy peak
shield wall vs shield block
when you are actively tanking things, whether it be the boss or adds
you really want max block uptime
which is why it's so great in keys, where you are the only tank, or on most fights in this raid where you either hold a boss for a while or are tanking different bosses or adds simultaneously with the other tank
errant oriole
so for reprisal heavy rep?
tawdry dirge
slyv p1 too
sweet summit
The Eye doesnt have blockable damage
tawdry dirge
ahhhh
median tulip
The Eye is mostly not Shield Blockable
sweet summit
Ya its for tankbuster and soaking on sylv
median tulip
(The adds are IIRC)
sick sentinel
well would running the wall make me bad in mythic?
For Raids, I def prefer using the wall every single time. You get your shield wall down to 1 min cd which is insane. For M+, reprisal is the go to but it all depends on your preference 🙂
sweet summit
The abductors do blockable shit, but thats it (on the eye)
errant oriole
thanks @sick sentinel
mossy peak
if you take the wall on most fights in raid like that, you are basically setting yourself up to need the wall
thats a self filling loop
by not mitigating the constant incoming damage from the boss
median tulip
To be honest, with Tank Swapping mechanics as they are the block uptime argument isn't terribly compelling
mossy peak
yes but how many of the fights in raid are you purely tanking one boss only and swapping that boss
vs swapping to tank something else
whether that be a different boss, adds etc
and on a boss like nerzhul you are naturally going to be charging and intervening and leaping a lot anyway
median tulip
Yeah, Remnant of Nerzhul is great for Reprisal
wanton panther
Guys that means we have to craft Reprisal on Boots now ?
sweet summit
Nothing changes
mossy peak
there is not an extra dom socket
wanton panther
there is not an extra dom socket
ah so cap still at 5 right ?
sweet summit
Yes
wanton panther
Thank god.
mossy peak
they have only added new ways to trigger the set bonuses
sweet summit
Even if it was 6 gems, you still cant have 2 sets active at once 👀
wanton panther
ahh thanks guys I shit myself in the though of crafting 262 legendary for the 3rd time :/
sweet summit
No
median tulip
They added a 6th gem slot
Apparently not
median tulip
I guess I can now choose between sacrificing my iLvl 252 gloves or my iLvl 252 Chest to get the blood set bonus
I hate this system
halcyon shard
Activate this dick with yo legs
halcyon shard
Im already here
sick sentinel
made for ppl like me that cannot get the chest to activate blood bonus set for 2 months ! I got it this raid tho but still it was fucking annoying
halcyon shard
its over Erga, I have the high ground
sweet summit
median tulip
They should have made the set bonus something you could apply to any existing item, like how we could apply corruptions.
sweet summit
I guess I can now choose between sacrificing my iLvl 252 gloves or my iLvl 252 C...
why would you sacrifice one of those?
strong forum
its over Erga, I have the high ground
Or one could say, the high thighs
sweet summit
dont make me get my maid outfit
strong forum
:pog:
median tulip
why would you sacrifice one of those?
Blood Link is a fucktonne of healing, even with only 239 chest
strong forum
Well bloodlink scales with gem level
sweet summit
oh wait
strong forum
R5 is like 800 dps/hps
sweet summit
252 non dom glove and chest??
median tulip
Yeah
median tulip
My first 3 weeks the vault offered me BiS items... For all the domination socket slots
jagged pier
U can have just not picked them, C:
median tulip
Pass the fucking Salt
median tulip
U can have just not picked them, C:
You don't understand. 3 choices. All 3 Dom socket slots. 3 weeks running.
wide pilot
Did they add a socket to plate legs?
jagged pier
Token
median tulip
4th week it relented and gave me a 252 Haste Shield tho
sweet summit
Pog
blazing condor
Weekly vault images inc 
blazing condor
Do i pick the 15ilvl upgrade or the one that gives me 2% vers
jagged pier
vocal geode
definitely a scam
craggy pilot
Do i pick this 252 shield or this 213 raid piece with Dom socket images inc 😅
zenith vigil
i mean if it completes your blood set...
blazing condor
craggy pilot
But what if you already have lvl 5 unholy set and only lvl 1 blood set 🤔 
😅
craggy pilot
Farming embers is so boring
I just went and upgraded blood set, and use it for DPS 😅
strong forum
Picking a 213 lfr Dom piece is not a pick over a 252 shield even if you complete your setbonus
Cuz you can just do lfr again, and normal and heroic
craggy pilot
I can't wait to get 6 different belts in my vault <3
jagged pier
Shield 100%
craggy pilot
🙃 people not getting the joke 😅
strong forum
Yes but blue made it into a serious thing
strong forum
I can't wait to get 6 different belts in my vault <3
Watch me get ows, matrix and aegis from vault
😓
strong forum
No
craggy pilot
Guildie of mine saying he got the Sylv ring before he killed her 🤔🤔🙃🙃
mossy peak
did he ask her politely for it
i believe it is possible to have gotten it without killing her if you happened to get it from the heroic timewalking box
or i guess the normal one
strong forum
Guildie of mine saying he got the Sylv ring before he killed her 🤔🤔🙃🙃
Weekly chest
From the dungeon event
strong forum
Yes
craggy pilot
Jeez
strong forum
You can get any raid loot from the dungeon event reward
But you can't get vault loot from a boss you haven't ever killed
blazing condor
I grinded half of CN to get a splinter (cus i wanted one , fight me). Finally got it like 4 months in. Same week i got it again in the weekly quest. Did sun king on mythic. Got the splinter. Then got the splinter again in the vault
When it rains it pours
craggy pilot
Lol that's vault for you 🥲
wide pilot
Watch me get ows, matrix and aegis from vault
The question is what would you take lol
strong forum
Aegis
I have decent enough dps trinkets, so I don't need ows
Matrix is sexy aswell, but aegis is a one and done kinda deal for me
blazing condor
Aegis + matrix kinda nutty in m+
strong forum
Ye thats the dream combo
lucid steppe
Any Tipps for mythic sylvie progress? Running aegis+sun king cheat, Mikanikos with left middle left. Not sure if it’s better to go for another endurance and go right middle left? When do u guys taunt swap in p1? After 2nd heartseeker or 6 stacks on her? The debuff/dot on tank ticks fucking hard. Survivability seems not that easy at the progress start when heals needs to heal failing dps and stuff
strong forum
Go triple left
grizzled current
has someone a proper route for nw+21? I'm still not sure where to use all the weapons effectivly.
strong forum
Or rather, go top right, then double left
So you avoid auto phial
But get triple endurance and double potency
The haste buff might be good for p1 and P2, but p3 is the real wall and the haste buff is useless there
grizzled current
u think auto phial is that bad? It allows for double pot!?
strong forum
You can't double pot
grizzled current
it will activate even when on cd no?
strong forum
It puts the phial on CD
median tulip
Auto Phial is for when I play Arms
grizzled current
y but u can phial and then still let it trigger.
strong forum
Pretty sure that not how it works
grizzled current
100% mate.
strong forum
Still dog, what if it procs first
grizzled current
ur fucked
strong forum
Then you can't use it when you want to
grizzled current
I run it in alot of m+, but for example not in dungeons or with affixes I need it for cleanse basicly.
I mean the strong part is not the heal its still that it frees u from lot of dots.
strong forum
I run the tree that's pinned
Cuz I multispec
Auotphial is good 9/10 times yes
But on progress I wouldn't run it as a tank
lucid steppe
Ok. And play kyrian and str Bonus on heal when going left instead middle?
grizzled current
There are weeks in m+ it totaly sucks, and maybe some bossfights in raid also, but its generaly way better than it sounds.
strong forum
Potency you use AAP and PV on sylv
Idk about specific shit for tank swaps
Just play Wall + AM on sylv
That's what I know 
lime urchin
Im running ows aegis rn
Double on use?! Don’t that feel clunky?
craggy pilot
@strong forum for the pinned tree if multispeccing for raid, would you just exchange the Execute conduit with Mortal Combo?🤔
craggy pilot
Ye ok, i ran Kleia as well
strong forum
This tree is mainly m+ oriented
craggy pilot
Mika sims higher for me tho
strong forum
If you were to run mika in raid you'd want AAP MC and CTR I think
craggy pilot
Not sure if i fucked Up something 😅
strong forum
Idk kleia Sims more, maybe cuz I don't have any shards?
With kleia I have like 40-42% crit
Actually no, 39
craggy pilot
I feel like I'm too high crit ATM, for some reason my haste vers ring sims higher than my haste mastery ring 😅 just because more haste
craggy pilot
Trying out DK tank on the side, and apparently a big deal is knowing what effects can be immuned with AMS, is it usually the same spells as can be Reflected by warr? Wondering if i can just enable the Spell reflect WA
strong forum
You can AMS more stuff than you can reflect
:)
Biggest thing is you can immune hoa last boss' tank dot with ams
Cuz lmao fuck consistency
craggy pilot
Yeah but ams longer CD 😅
But if that's the biggest thing then i guess I can just use the reflect wa
wanton panther
u think auto phial is that bad? It allows for double pot!?
I use Mekanikos too, its super good, I have 1 less keybind since phial is automatic but it can be bad for some mechanics that you need to remove bleed effects. It haven't been an issue for me yet in SoD and keys.
craggy pilot
Main thing was they were telling me off for not knowing you can AMS the small guys on first pull of Mist 😅
I guess you can reflect that as well right?
strong forum
Well you can reflect the soul split
The small guys don't do anything to you
They just leap out to dps and inflict a bleed
craggy pilot
Ye that's the dot from the small guys right?
strong forum
No
Soulsplit is the big magic hit that makes you take extra dmg, from the 2 berserker guys
craggy pilot
But apparently you can soothe something on that pack, had no idea about that either 🤷
craggy pilot
Ah dispell not soothe ok
strong forum
So they don't apply their debuff in death
When the smallies die without being dispelled/purged
They apply a debuff that fucks
So you just purge their buffs with a belf /shaman/priest
And you can proceed as usual
That's like mists 101
craggy pilot
Guess I need to add that to my GRP build note
grizzled current
@wanton panther tbh it makes no sense to not bind it just cause u have autopot, cause as I said it means u can double pot.
blazing condor
Double on use?! Don’t that feel clunky?
Ows is passive! 🙂
subtle fossil
Someone knows if it is poss to use 2 dom set boni with a cloth, leather or mail piece?
tidal reef
I'll be a back up tank for one mythic raid, I have R3 blood set and R5 unholy, which would you run?
sweet summit
good question
id sim it tbh
languid juniper
sim, but gameplay is key. the unholy set works well for me (rip nerzhul and guardian chest)
would have had a sick parse on KT if we didnt wipe 3rd phase
sweet summit
languid juniper
KT is the only boss i can freely put this much exec
sweet summit
KT cringe boss hate it
languid juniper
who likes to hear "stop dps wait for the healing and dps 3minutes cds"
i'd rather do SLG prog all over again
jagged pier
Id rather they design bosses where u dont need to stop dps
Like we started painsmith last night fuck just getting through intermission 1 and the fight is si shit already
Get to 73% stop for like 30 seconds
😴
pure turtle
is it more important to get a high ilvl shield or weapon?
sweet summit
Weapon for offense
Shield for defense
sweet summit
Get to 73% stop for like 30 seconds
At least you can comfortably do painsmith without stopping dps
pure turtle
so shield then for mythic as long as threat isn't an issue
potentially might be tanking later today and i opnly have enought valor for 1 or the other
sweet summit
Ye that works
elfin nova
KT sucks but there is no way in hell I'd do slg again over it
languid juniper
Like we started painsmith last night fuck just getting through intermission 1 an...
worst thing for me on painsmith is the "jump away, wait for spikes while slowly going to boss"
jagged pier
At least you can comfortably do painsmith without stopping dps
True c:
jagged pier
worst thing for me on painsmith is the "jump away, wait for spikes while slowly ...
If your the second tank, u dont need to go that far
But i havent hit phase 2 or 3
So i dunno yet
But if it stays the way it is ill be avle to save leap for going back to boss
languid juniper
If your the second tank, u dont need to go that far
i had to use leap to go to the corner because our tigers lust was for my co-tank
jagged pier
F
But from what ive seen in phase 1 at least uts only the first tank that really has to go far
The second theres no chains out and everyone can be stacked so i barely have to go anywhere
Killed the boomy a few times becUse venthyr brain hes like stood on the other side of the room
languid juniper
venthyr boomies just healing when their cds are not up
languid juniper
and on KT they are complaining because they can't move in the phylactery
lime urchin
Ows is passive! 🙂
SORRY! I read that as Overwhelming Power Crystal for some weird reason!
ancient monolith
I know plate doesn't have leg gear with domination socket but I'm kinda confused on this. Does any leg gear from raid satisfy this condition?
warm condor
I know plate doesn't have leg gear with domination socket but I'm kinda confused...
yes any of them will
jolly granite
Legs open up every set boni
craggy pilot
Wait does this mean we can now wear 6 Dom sockets?
Or can you only wear pants/shoulders?
jagged pier
No
jolly granite
Now legs don’t have a socket
strong forum
What does it mean then?
If you have any leg piece from raid, you can get the frost set bonus through it
As long as you socket 3 frost gems on the other slots
craggy pilot
Oh so it gives frost set, but has no socket? 🤔
jolly granite
Says frost on my machine
Mine too- your right
strong forum
Oh so it gives frost set, but has no socket? 🤔
Yes
craggy pilot
Haha that's dumb tho 😅
strong forum
It's so people get equal chances of getting a set bonus
ancient monolith
so with legs equipped, you could get frost bonus with 2 pieces of gear with frost shards socketed?
as long as one of them is shoulders right?
craggy pilot
No you still need 3
austere cloud
My interpretation is you need Shoulder or legs with 3 frost shard socketed.
strong forum
It doesn't count as a Dom Socket
craggy pilot
So you need the legs, and 3 other items
strong forum
It only activates the frost bonus if you have 3 socketed
But don't have the shoulders
It's literally so you have another chance of activating the set bonus
And since you only have 5 Dom sockets, they had to come up with a new piece to activate the bonus
So you have 2 ways to activate it for every set
craggy pilot
Still for other sets you can be good with 3 items from raid, with frost u need 4 if you get legs 🤷
Just make it have a socket as well, but make Dom sockets unique equip (5) or some shit
strong forum
Better this way, than not have a 2nd chance at all
(not like anybody gives a fuck about frost anyway outside a select few)
Notice how it's always the worst set bonus for the associated armor type
Blood for mail and cloth, they only want unholy iirc
Frost for plate and leather, cuz it's the weakest since you have tanks that want blood and dps that want unholy
ancient monolith
ok I think I just understood
dusky canopy
Bummer I quickly glanced at it and thought I'd be able to run kyr with my set bonus and both of the other damage shards
tawdry dirge
would u upgrade the boots to 246 and use em instead or run with the mastery ones and save the VP?
currently on 28% haste btw unbuffed
jagged pier
But your boots are 249
So they are better
Ilvl beats all if its got strength on it
obtuse monolith
Strength, armor, Stam. I’d take 249 there over 246 too
gloomy cradle
if you're already at 28% haste the difference will be very marginal anyway
tawdry dirge
fair i just thought of the haste
tawdry dirge
hahah yeah warrior tank aint think right just get smashed in face 😄
obtuse monolith
Concy protocol
lime urchin
Amen
pale gust
chest enchant, eternal stats or eternal skirmish?
blazing condor
I take stats personally
strong forum
Stats generally
fathom spindle
Are the defensives dom sockets worth using in M+?
Obviously they’re not gonna make or break a run, but do they amount to anything remotely useful?
strong forum
Kyr is the best shard by far for m+
The other ones are irrelevant
The prio on shards is pinned
fathom spindle
Thanks mate!
craggy pilot
Kyr is literally like 10% of our healing overall isnt it? 🤔
sweet summit
my rank 3 is 10%
craggy harness
obtuse monolith
I guess I should be swapping Rev for Kyr on M+. I’ve been lazy up until now
plush tendon
Kyr is just a very consistent good source of healing throughput; everyone and their dog should use it and upgrade it once they have spare embers
modern brook
if i use kyr theres no room for oth tho
sweet summit
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blazing dune
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Done.
sweet summit
thank u vel
blazing dune
thank u erga
sweet summit
neon vigil
guys for tomorrow legs have new domination socket for prot not change legendary?
neon vigil
tomorrow have a socket
mighty valley
no, reread the announcement
neon vigil
neon vigil
thx
mighty valley
do any plate specs care about frost set?
sweet summit
no
neon vigil
but for plus u have a extra gem active
sweet summit
no, you will still only have a maximum of five (5) gems
(unless you use mail/leather/cloth items)
which is not worth, might i add
mellow bridge
Can anyone tell me the lieutenant rotation for DoS this week
still spiteful griveous i mean
havent been there in like 2 weeks so i completely forgot it 🤔
sweet summit
fire guy outside hakkar
chain man in mechagon
frost lad outside ardenweald
scary bloke in ardenweald
short apex
rancid ember
Wow I was just about to boot laptop to check vaults but I guess not 😄
mellow bridge
thanks erga
strong forum
prediction is inspiring/quaking for affixes
mighty valley
easy tyrannical weeks continue
patent osprey
a source told me.... its Spiteful + Necrotic
but i doubt u get back to back spiteful...
strong forum
didnt we already have 2 necrotic weeks?
patent osprey
does ur dad work at blizzard and made that rule?!
but yeah, i dont think so either
but this guy was really confident
gloomy cradle
i heard on dannywars stream that it was quaking + inspired
mighty valley
I hope not, already tired of saying "watch ghosts" every few seconds
chilly brook
I really need to push over 2300
strong forum
does ur dad work at blizzard and made that rule?!
not a rule, just how the math turns out
ionic nimbus
i would buy spitefull necro xD
jagged pier
I really need to push over 2300
It doesnt help i am and still cant get invited
gloomy cradle
^^^
jagged pier
But i always know i have skyhold weekly
wild hemlock
It doesnt help i am and still cant get invited <:sadge:820202363359854633>
time to roll a bear
gloomy cradle
dont even need to roll bear
wild hemlock
i would never either
ionic fern
But i always know i have skyhold weekly
We're always here for you.
wild hemlock
pug meta baby wont take anything else
gloomy cradle
just need to have everyone install an elvui plugin that makes your name show up in orange
jagged pier
We're always here for you.
wild hemlock
first time all patch ive gotten 10 15s done. lets get that 252 shield baby
chilly brook
It doesnt help i am and still cant get invited <:sadge:820202363359854633>
It doesn't help that the tanks that do get invited are bears who have no idea what they're doing
shut summit
chilly brook
Did an 18 ToP yesterday and the dude made so many weird decisions
Also let me get one shot by the chomp by pulling gorechop and running away from the mob
jagged pier
It doesn't help that the tanks that do get invited are bears who have no idea wh...
True
rancid ember
I still get in keys as VDH, but I get denied sometimes for the Bear players. I have 24 Spires timed and couldn't get into a 23 Spires yesterday XD feelsbadman.
ionic nimbus
thats warrior discord, there is only one opinion about bears!
wide pilot
has there been much theory crafting on what our bis double leggo would be if it dropped say today
chilly brook
thats warrior discord, there is only one opinion about bears!
Bear itself is a great tank
The problem is anything that's FOTM brings dummy rerollers who never focus on their play and only focus on the idea that they need to be the best class and things just fall into their lap
And you get a lot of dumb people with inflated IOs because they get invited fairly mindlessly because meta class
Especially with current system since untimed keys are actually worth a lot still
strong forum
or you have a top rio pusher
that never uses CDs
and gets carried through 25s
a certain bear fotm roller
cyan onyx
How is that even possible 😦
patent osprey
dont make fun of me @strong forum
chilly brook
How is that even possible 😦
Because realistically tanks don't have control of their survival
strong forum
How is that even possible 😦
as long as you play the dungeon well, you can achieve anything
evidently
or how do you explain only using Frenzied Regen 7 times in an entire key
or 6 convokes
in 30minutes
🙂
on a 25
wide pilot
now i want to know who this tank is 😛
patent osprey
some keys I use SW once or twice
wide pilot
gotchya lol
chilly brook
The real craziness is that blood DK is still up there
strong forum
yeah he actually has to play his spec well
chilly brook
Dudes not #1 anymore but still #2
strong forum
score isnt updated yet
chilly brook
Nuckin futs
wide pilot
the thing that blows my mind with bear is the invulnerability button.....DK had it in bfa and got nerfed into oblivion for it too that xpac
strong forum
theyre not on rio yet
strong forum
the thing that blows my mind with bear is the invulnerability button.....DK had ...
or the fact that they get a free full heal every 2min
from a conduit
or the fact that if they switch into bear form they get 20% extra armor and 20% extra HP for 15seconds
for free
chilly brook
In fairness bonestorm and berserk/incarn are inherently different
errant thorn
he knows the fight right
strong forum
wrong channel or
chilly brook
Oooh GnB
strong forum
haha
chilly brook
Kekw
I'll talk FF with you
Like incarn is notably less available than bonestorm is
And it's really the lego not the ability that's the problem
wide pilot
knowing bliz they will just nerf incarn lol
novel lotus
Press thrash ➡️ 3kio
slate snow
@errant thorn
strong forum
what matters is having good group coordination and a good team
and playing the dungeons well
plush tendon
Gotta play the dungeon well and gotta play to the strengths of your comp
strong forum
nerf is literally the evidence needed for it, and the other tanks rn show you that class choice doesnt matter
FOR EVERY ROLE
btw
plka plays without a mage or hpal
equinox plays with a disc priest
wide pilot
it really does prove how important coms are though....think the favorite thing i hear plka say all the time is it doesnt matter what the other groups are doing we dont have their comp
rugged mural
Viscera of Coalesced Hatred pretty decent for M+?
strong forum
theres a bdk and a vdh fucking up there
strong forum
Viscera of Coalesced Hatred pretty decent for M+?
not great not terrible
its a usable trinket
nothing to write home about
wide pilot
servers up btw
plush tendon
servers up btw
plush tendon
3pm thank you very much
strong forum
i mean yeah, im never home before 6pm either
errant thorn
<@171806456947933184> <:dandy:809705852658253844>
dude I am trolling people so hard with cover
i am gonna get banned if i continue this
plush tendon
I got to make sure I get out of the house for at least 4 hours everyday (even days off)
plush tendon
Or else ill sit in front of the computer from literally sunrise to sunset
strong forum
my ailment is
i can literally lay in bed for 48hrs
and not feel the need to get up
strong forum
idk, no reason to get up
have discord on phone and can watch shit on tablet
why would i need to go to the PC
plush tendon
cyan onyx
Yeah
strong forum
mellow bridge
so close to being a decent gamer
strong forum
im proud of being indecent
chilly brook
just be EU and have your servers always be up
Then I'd have to be a Euro boi
And listen to hard bass
rancid ember
246 -> 252 Stitch Flesh. I'll take it 😄
strong forum
jagged pier
Then I'd have to be a Euro boi
I dont listen to hard bass, but you could join skyhold weekly then
chilly brook
I dont listen to hard bass, but you could join skyhold weekly then <:peepoHappy:...
That's because you drink tea and eat jaffa cakes
We used to have the NA skyhold weekly, RIP @mellow patio @modern brook @lusty grotto
mellow patio
NA skyhold weekly was much more sophisticated than the scuffed EU group fight me
vale tulip
what are our best 2 trinkets for raid
jagged pier
Blow up every pack with spears 😂
strong forum
That was also 👌
vale tulip
old warriors soul or shard of annhylde for raid trinket
modern brook
what are our best 2 trinkets for raid
NA weekly and EU weekly (scale and Phial)
OWS is fine too
i believe theres a list on Wowhead/icy veins thats basially accurate
vale tulip
i dont have a phial yet
modern brook
thats ok, I wont tell anyone if you dont 😉
vale tulip
that list puts phial at an a+ and shard at S
strong forum
Defensively aegis hard owns in m+ and on sylvanas
Offensively phial, Sack of terror, defense matrix and salvaged fusion thingy from guardian also hard own
Ows is bis for arms and really good in m+
So it's up to you, if you want the best defensive trinket (aegis) or the best all rounder (ows)
sweet summit
wall hacking in mists
tranquil leaf
what i got today
strong forum
Decently nice
tranquil leaf
what i got last week. the next few weeks im trying for a 252 phial. i've got a phial that just needs to be upgraded tho
strong forum
Gaming
cyan onyx
Can I get phial in prot spec or do I need to be arms/fury
mighty valley
Second vault whiff in a row... please give me a shield so I can switch to phial hunt
you need to be DPS
strong forum
Vers doesn't matter
So?
You pick the 15% magic Dr and you coordinate CDs with your healer
rancid ember
^ This is strong
strong forum
A few% vers aren't gonna safe you from that dot
You'd need obscene amount of vers for it to make a noticable difference
But people don't think about that
rancid ember
I have 20% Verse + That in 23 Tyran HoA last week was fine /w Dot
strong forum
So you got 10% DR
jagged pier
Blow up every pack with spears 😂
rancid ember
Yeah I run 29% Haste 20% Vers atm
strong forum
There is no but
rancid ember
Not required by any means, just saying DoT was non-issue
15% MDR is more than enough for high tyran keys /w your own defensives
rancid ember
^ Verse seemed like a good option early in 9.0 cause Dungeon damage was overscaled on alot of silly things like tank busters on mobs for example
rancid ember
Even mob damage felt high
strong forum
And think that having 30%vers is gonna make a difference
rancid ember
Hence all the tank buffs since 9.0
strong forum
When in reality, 30% vers isnt gonna safe you from anything if you don't play perfectly
Plka has 13%vers and does 26s
There are vdhs with 15% vers doing 25s
The R1 bdk only has 21%vers and 26% haste
And he's a bdk
Vers is their best stat
Offensively and defensively
rancid ember
BDK Mastery > Vers atm is the consensus I thought
strong forum
Mastery doesn't do anything vs anything but physical
rancid ember
Mastery gives you big absorb shield that works for PHys & Magic dmg
With the massive healing from deathstrike Mastery feels good
rancid ember
Can't live to deathstrike is player issue, not Vers issue I'm sure you agree 😄
strong forum
And bdk is famous for getting 1shot
Ofc it's a player issue
But vers is actually a proper good stat for them, always has been
rancid ember
Yeah I been dropping it and moving it to Mastery + Haste lately on BDK but I don't play him that much. Can't seem to get Taza trink either
cyan onyx
strong forum
Yeah I been dropping it and moving it to Mastery + Haste lately on BDK but I don...
So yeah.
crystal hill
:D
strong forum
Very very jealous
strong forum
Mastery gives you big absorb shield that works for PHys & Magic dmg
Just to prove you wrong BTW
:)
That's why mastery isn't as nice to get
It does, as I said, nothing against magic
Still a good stat, but just like for pwar, the least desirable
ionic fern
But it *feels* good
Sal's still here.
final mist
rancid ember
Idk alot of high-end BDK talk over the last few days argueing Mastery >.
Mastery felt like it did magic too so my bad wrong on that =]
Mandl / Elnivera were talking about it alot 2~ days ago. I'll go back and search and share some info
strong forum
Maybe for overwhelming physical dmg they struggle against
In that regards yes
But it's the same convo
rancid ember
I think it was along the lines of point for point MAstery prevented more>
ionic fern
@viral arch 😦
strong forum
But I guess bdk only struggles vs trash
ionic fern
Help, BDK science.
rancid ember
Yeah BDK is joke on big bosses
strong forum
I feel like
rancid ember
Heal every tank buster mech
strong forum
Why not just say zul
Get more specific
That works
Every tank that isn't currently inside meta or inside incarn struggles vs caster heavy packs if they're not properly controlled
plush tendon
Stats on a BDK matter so little, even less then they do for other classes. Vers is considered best cause (1) it works against magic (2) gives BDKs more EHP (3) and we get a lot of value out of healing, damage, and damage reduction increases. However, if we are looking to mitigation of only melee then mastery is the best stat for that. But honestly, ILevel is king always
strong forum
Always has been
Always will be
🔫
Unless they rework literally how gearing works
Or tanking
plush tendon
eh, im fine with not having to worry too much about stat priority except when looking at pieces of equal i level
either all stats are equally good or worthless 🙂
strong forum
That's the funny part
Stats matter the least they ever have
And people worry about it more than ever, I feel like
It's so contradictory
plush tendon
Its top tier copium
lusty grotto
We used to have the NA skyhold weekly, RIP <@545333834514825227> <@2040814288692...
hi?
also ive been meaning to change my pfp
strong forum
Ultra HD 4k ravioli?
lusty grotto
mmmm yes yes something like that
strong forum
Ye
strong forum
Ngl, before I was SF I boosted the server to get red name so unknowing people would think my colour had more weight to it so people would know they could trust me a little more in what I say
lusty grotto
i jumped ship like 3 months before the streamers did
(also i had quit xiv at the end of heavensward)
lusty grotto
i bet
chilly brook
But the rate that guilds be dying is nuts
chilly brook
Mine stopped prog because a lot of people had stuff pop up and we couldn't recruit the positions we were trying to fill before they even had to leave
And apparently that seems to be a huge problem rn, since the people whose guilds stop playing are quitting too instead of trying to find another guild
lusty grotto
we need an old timey role
lusty grotto
plenty of good games coming up as well
shut summit
ya rough time to recruit
youd think itd be easy with the amount dying but def people just quittin lol
chilly brook
I mean you legit have 7/10 guilds swiping 1/10 priests up because priests are no where to be found
It's legit nuts
lusty grotto
ive been through it and i dont think i can compare to how it is now
and i mean in a position where im struggling to recruit
lusty grotto
im ngl i think i wont resub until they stop with the systems bullshit
chilly brook
Never gonna happen tbh
lusty grotto
yeah
chilly brook
They've made that clear with their recent 9.1.5 post
lusty grotto
what im hoping if that if they keep making systems, they continue to support them post expansions
and it doesnt just... you know become a play the patch thing
chilly brook
"We made you have to struggle through the systems for your own benefit in experiencing the story. We did it for you."
Is literally the essence of what they said as an excuse