unless you wanna grind dumb low keys
#protection
strong forum
jagged pier
its better to gind dumb keys with ppl on dumb alts
strong forum
Yes
proven hill
Hey guys just started playing Prot, is there a general rule on every trash pull? What should my first 3-4 GCDs be after charge?
cyan summit
strong forum
Hey guys just started playing Prot, is there a general rule on every trash pull?...
Should be smth like, ravager-charge+avatar-tc+sb-revenge/ss/spear
Throw a spear in there aswell
Basically get all your buttons on CDs besides big defensive CDs
proven hill
Yeah doing it like that, find myself needing to use sb earlier just of how hard i get hit, need to get it in my fingers i guess
strong forum
Well you get SB from reprisal
But you should be using it ASAP anyway
It's off GCD, so just practice
proven hill
Yeah, just gotta get used to keepin up ignore pain/sb, thanks for the advice
proven hill
Noted, will try to focus on mitigating more then with shockwave/intervene (which im not even used to yet) and demo shout obv
strong forum
Gotta be careful with shockwave as all the mobs will have their casts/attacks all lined up afterwards
So if you shockwave and then get meleed without SB up, youre very likely to get 1shot
proven hill
Yeah, that's big brain actually, especially the cast part, never thought about it like that
strong forum
Makes for some neat spell reflects tho
;)
Cuz you reflect everything that goes off at the same time
mighty valley
What changed this patch to make heavy repercussions the highest single target DPS
It was never in the conversation in 9.0
strong forum
its the highest ST by like 20dps
aka within the margin of error in a perfect scenario
simmed higher last patch aswell
strong forum
is that with WFT
mighty valley
No
might make a difference that condemn turns the extra rage into more damage than other covs
sweet summit
mighty valley
other covenants do stuff in ugly blue and green colors
mighty valley
i'm not changing away from fun vampire club, but st damage was the one thing we had last patch
why'd you take it from us, blizz
strong forum
uhm
we were second to last in ST dmg last patch too
or do you mean venthyr specifically
strong forum
i guess
modern brook
Condemn is for dweeb tbb
mighty valley
sounds like something a dweeb would say
strong forum
๐คทโโ๏ธ
not good enough for me to play a talent that gets worse as soon as theres any more than 1 target and movement
strong forum
add in occasional cleave and its a loss
mighty valley
sigh i guess i'll make some tomes
strong forum
i love when i start a sim
im position 50
2min later
still 50
cuz for whatever reason a billion premium members decided to start to sim
sweet summit
tryna fuck you over
strong forum
pretty sure HR gets devalued with proper charge/intervene weaving
mighty valley
def overkill on the sb front
strong forum
the thing about HR is
the main benefit is the higher uptime on SB for the extra SS dmg
with higher SB uptime from charge weaving, HR gets devalued as it doesnt provide a good increase in block uptime to outweigh AM
this sim only charges 11 times in 5 minutes
never intervenes
so the increased SB uptime through HR looks like a much bigger dmg gain than it actually is
mighty valley
yeah that all makes sense
mighty valley
but i do see a lot of people using it on the top parses
strong forum
yes
because they also only read the sim
they also prolly dont know that reprisal undersims
mighty valley
so in theory it should be easy for any one of them to switch to AM and get #1
strong forum
well duh
its a tiny fucking dps difference as it is
for example
r2 log on guardian mythic is playing AM
is only 300 dps behind because the r1 log had a 40sec longer fight and literally did twice the execute dmg
and pedicure (r2) didnt use revenge at all?
wait what
mighty valley
???
modern brook
tryna fuck ~~you over~~
๐
sweet summit
prisma bear
condemn maybe?
strong forum
anywho
mighty valley
31 IPs?
strong forum
no hes nightfae
goes to show
that you can get a top log without using revenge
lol
and without HR
mighty valley
weird world
strong forum
i guess it makes sense actually
cuz hes AM + Natures fury
so he has NO block uptime
mighty valley
ohhhh right
strong forum
so hes forced to pump into IP cuz he has no other choice
10k dtps
lol
lmao
he even solo tanked
thats some huge balls
solo tanked mythic guardian, without a defensive leggo or talent
mighty valley
raid bending over backward for the parse lol
prisma bear
helping the healers parse bam two birds one stone
strong forum
ya they 5 healed
perfect execution tho
anywho
HR isnt actually a big thing, especially if you play reprisal
mighty valley
yeah i was mostly curious since in my memory it wasn't remotely close in sims last patch, but i might be misremembering
anyway my life will not change
i might run it on days i'm feeling very lazy
in other unsurprising news, my 220 phial still simming way above any trinket i've received this patch
prisma bear
i dont think people choose hr for the damage
strong forum
raid is literally the situation where block uptime is the least relevant....
i played all of 9.0 with wall+AM
because tankswaps and externals is how you deal with your low mitigation uptime
prisma bear
ah true i glossed over you talking about raid right before in my key brain
strong forum
in raid you go big dick damage
warm condor
is 239 aegis better than 236 scale
strong forum
Next tier
Because it scales insanely stupid with ilvl
Like actually dumb how much this trinket gets better with ilvl
A 252 is literally twice as strong as a 226 scale
So dumb
mystic warren
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=141959/power-word-arrrr#comments seeing this pop up among the active buffs in the chinese logs for the highest keys
kinda big for min maxing I suppose
sweet summit
lavish oracle
Scale still performs better than aegis for me in general in 17-18 keys
Higher damage done comparable healing and I'm still using a 220 scale
I've only done like 4 keys with aegis so far, so maybe it's just low sample size
prisma bear
if you want to see some shit pull yuge in ardenweald with aegis
although ill say it again for peeps who might not know, aegis works on the buzzsaw on millie manastorm and things like that
my impression of the item was auto attacks that are in front of you but it seems to include damn near anything
meager locust
Plus big chonk shield
ancient reef
anyone got a mouse over intervene macro
buoyant frost
I got u
hollow sun
/cast [@mouseover, noharm, nodead] intervene should work
buoyant frost
#showtooltip Intervene
/cast [@mouseover,exists,nodead][exists,nodead] Intervene
mine will cast on your target if you dont have a mouse over
but prio's mouseover
limpid pawn
chrome falcon
Scale is literally getting to the point where the size of the shield doesn't even matter because it just times out before it breaks
(depending on the content)
But Aegis is also crazy ridiculous insane
dusky mica
for 8s
high folio
there something that procd my spell reflect in phase two sylvanas on heroic
and idk what it is
any of yall got an idea?
modern brook
for 8s
I have no clue what the question is
But if it's for an 8
I can confidently answer it doesn't matter, just address whatever issue you're having in gameplay, we cna help identify if you have a log
modern brook
any of yall got an idea?
Isn't their adds with random casts?
Again, a log will literally tell you
There's also a reflect guide with a list of things that are reflectance on the fight thay will likely answer your question check the p8n
high folio
yeah im digging through the log from that pull and i cant find it
@modern brook
i dont believe any adds were up that the time either
okay it looks like it was the triple shot from sylvanas i think
cant tell if its a tick of the dot or the actual cast of rangers heartseeker itself
dusky mica
I have no clue what the question is
it was in reply to Aegis being OP. It is OP. For 8 seconds.
modern brook
it was in reply to Aegis being OP. It is OP. For 8 seconds.
8seconds not 8 plural my b
modern brook
cant tell if its a tick of the dot or the actual cast of rangers heartseeker its...
If you link the log I can take a look
Likely the dot tick if p2 though
high folio
i think it is a dot tick
every heartseeker is proccing a deflect so im just using on every one of them
may as well
ancient reef
Just dinged 60 today what's best way to farm reknown
mystic ember
Torghast spam to 40 something, then do callings and campaign.
lavish oracle
you shoulda played last expansion
that was basically what the meters looked like in every pug key ๐
rotund parcel
if we get to do legion timewalking m+ with our artifacts your gunna see some cooked shit again. ararats bloodmirror + reflective plating tyrannical medivh getting you down? death by his own missiles in 30 seconds. tyrannical ymirion deep dicking your tank? just send that shit straight back and top damage as a bonus :D
those are two of the more memorable ones, but many many many fun things.
i miss warbringer :(
ancient reef
if i ding 60 today do i get to skip those torghast opening quest and go right to korthia
mighty valley
yep
coarse meadow
hey gusy which one of the 3 blood shards should i upgrade first?
ancient reef
did blizz not test this
like i go to korthia, pointless as you got none of your covenant done
empty spindle
Iโm going up against the eye and the nine mythic tonight - Iโm MT and raid leader any suggestions tips ?
mossy peak
alright, ive discussed my secret apm strats before, but it has led to some secret tech
it turns out that the stackable stag
will soak the lasers on milhouse
and will also eat the hook on the 3rd boss in nw
more research to be announced as available
lavish oracle
alright, ive discussed my secret apm strats before, but it has led to some secre...
if it can soak a beam on the last boss of HoA I'm gonna have to go grab it
mossy peak
i was thinking about that, so far i've only noticed these accidentally, but I would think that would have happened by now
it's possible i just dropped them wrong incidentally though so it is worth exploring
lavish oracle
other players generally are probably gonna ignore it and stand so that they can soak the beam regardless of the stag also, I'd assume
orchid frigate
ok hit tier 6 now ๐
whats the best strategy when it comes to spending cataloged research, get conduit upgrades first or sockets?
tame jasper
sockets are stronger afaik
mossy peak
an individual socket is definitely better than what you'd get out of better conduits
but i would ask if you have an item that's worth socketing
wouldn't recommend blowing 5000 codex bucks to punch a hole in a 226 ring
tame jasper
yeah and conduits are quite expensive too. If I want to upgrade my prot-warr conduits to 252 i would need 23 (21 if I reduce by heroic KT and silvie which are in range for me) upgrades, cause all of those non-spec-conduits. which means that are 63k/69k relicts
orchid frigate
Settled with socketing bis items at 252 for now then ๐
tame jasper
same here, except the nine ring at 239 as I cant raid mythic (fucking hof)
warped moth
yeah u cant skip if Soggo is in that room
median tulip
yeah and conduits are quite expensive too. If I want to upgrade my prot-warr con...
Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they fix that so conduit upgrades respected your loot spec?
blazing condor
yeah u cant skip if Soggo is in that room
learned that the hard way 
mossy peak
Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they fix that so conduit upgrad...
it respects your current spec, not loot spec, but that still includes all the neutral conduits - most endurance and finesse ones, and then the general purpose/covenant potency ones
so ~20 to max out if you're all 226+ is pretty believable
median tulip
Oh, fair enough
I was just overjoyed when the first one I used upgraded the Spear conduit TBH
warped moth
I was just overjoyed when the first one I used upgraded the Spear conduit TBH
same that waas my first roll on 252 conduit, felt amazing
mossy peak
did it as arms earlier and mortal combo and ctr were literally the last two, as expected
but hey if i want to drag myself across that sandpaper again it'll go a lot faster for prot
median tulip
At least once conduits are done they're done. Sockets there's always the "will I be replacing this" factor
warped moth
until you reach 9.1.5 when we can freely swap covs and have to refarm for each of the other cov's one conduit
karmic plinth
it turns out that the stackable stag
stackable stag is which toy?
deft hazel
Is intervene hard to use, can you accidentally kill yourself intervening and turning your back against trash mobs?
wide pilot
so ~20 to max out if you're all 226+ is pretty believable
20 to max out if everything is 239 40 if everything is 226
wide pilot
Is intervene hard to use, can you accidentally kill yourself intervening and tur...
Nothing hard about hitting a button every 30 sec
deft hazel
Well my problem is whether I intervene a dps in a bad spot , if my back will end up toward trash (m+) and die to hits. If it was forgiving, I guess itโs something I should test, canโt really test it but wanted to know before I consider playing a warrior, not enjoying brm, vdh or guardian as tanks atm.
Just wanted some insight on how it works on trash pulls in m+ and if anyone countered issues of that sort. Lol
amber herald
I quite often intervene into the pack because the melee dps will be behind it and I've not had any troubles so long as you whip your camera back around so you're facing the mobs
wide pilot
U generally donโt even move if you intervene a melee dps sometime you might move inches
amber herald
reprisals really degenerate I'd recommend playing with friendly nameplates on
nothing quite like intervening a frontal into your dps lmao
deft hazel
Oop
wide pilot
You just have to click the party frame
amber herald
I click the party frame but you need to know where people are
wide pilot
I donโt use em and have never had a problem keeping track of where my team is but then again I donโt intervene at all when a frontal is being cast
lilac bloom
4
i'm having so much problem tanking 14 DOS
first group and 2nd group always giving me problems
especialy grevious and fortified
any tips on those 2 group adds
i'm 241 but i'm still getting hit hard
tame jasper
you need teamwork. pop one CD and maybe aegis (if you have) on first pack and shieldwall on 2nd pack
if you have BL, use it on one pack
and on 2nd pack all party members have to kick
and kite, kite kite
not fun to tank those 2 packs tbh
empty spindle
We got the nine and the eye down ๐
Killed the eye on pull 3
And the nine on pull 10
verbal rapids
What the best rings to snag?
lilac bloom
i feel like i'm not good at doing mythic keys
obtuse monolith
We got the nine and the eye down ๐
Congrats!
Love my guild but 1 day a week so our prog is still at H Fatescribe. Hope we get AOTC done and can at least try some M soon
empty spindle
I reckon giving mythic tarragrue a look is a good idea
Take your best 20 and hit it
plush tendon
Mythic Tara is free with a bit of coordination
so is The Nine if you can get through The Eye
my guild killed The Nine in 3 pulls (0 prep, we just did it XD)
sick sentinel
is viscera of coalesced hatred a decent trinket?
mellow bridge
tarragrue is indeed free af
just make sure your raid understands that a couple of defensive powers make the fight a lot easier for a first kill
and not just pure dps
especially the one that lets you drop debuff stacks
plush tendon
yea, cant stress that enough
DPS literally means 0 on that fight, and for a first kill, just make it clean
ancient reef
does the leggo the wall grant my party the effect, read that on wowhead seems wrong
lofty widget
you can go into twisting corridors on layer +3 and keep resetting until you get upper reaches
can farm reprisal that way
sweet summit
boi
lucid pasture
this hunter guy was a monke and didnt go survival spec so i got the mailemental trinket
i just tried it on dummy
did 13% damage
how good is it actually in raid?
sweet summit
this thing?
lucid pasture
yes
lucid pasture
sweet summit
so ive never tried it
lofty widget
it's pretty decent for fury, so i would assume the same applies to prot
lofty widget
but 
lucid pasture
literally stayed directly in melee
lofty widget
well we're in melee range?
strong forum
can you log it
lucid pasture
how do i log a dummy
strong forum
turn combat logging on
lucid pasture
i had
strong forum
then just upload the log
strong forum
yeah dummy logs are a little funky
lucid pasture
can i turnip log
lucid pasture
@strong forum i heard tanking dummy could work
strong forum
regular dummy works aswell
strong forum
apparently its TC proccing it
lucid pasture
wutface
merry ocean
There it is.
sweet summit
mellow bridge
pog
hasty cedar
hey guys, for raid damage what leggo is better the kyrian one or the nf one, or its even in damage ?
strong forum
NF leggo is more dmg
Kyrian one isnt any more dmg than reprisal
NF leggo is like 200+ dps
jagged pier
nature fury is huge pump
jagged pier
in a raid
not gunna happen
unless it me
i spent whole of CN pulling bosses out of wild spirits
hasty cedar
nice, thinking in craft one to get more dps
strong forum
yeah playing NF leggo is a massive survivability loss
gigantic surv loss, cuz youll wanna play AM with it aswell
hasty cedar
if your gunna do that u need to know how to play defensively correctly first
sure, i will try to improve this
not sure if i will make it, but ill try
seeing top raid logs most of it is with kyrian and nf leggo
jagged pier
LETS GOOOOOOO
sweet summit
semorcleavage
modern brook
One of my guildmates has gotten away with semenhunter for 3 years on her dh
I think the e's have umlauts?
modern brook
what does that word mean
I think it's French I don't know
cinder pasture
It's the 2 dots over a letter
cinder pasture
Ye
modern brook
Yesh
modern brook
I don't type French so iunno how to do that
sweet summit
neither do i ๐
sweet summit
strong forum
Umlaut is german
jagged pier
33 overall on soulrender 3rd on boss damage ๐ค
sweet summit
F
chilly brook
Nope
jagged pier
On adds
I was trying but i wasnt using EM or natures and we ignored our last set so couldnt pad on them 
jagged pier
guild just died
F
strong forum
after prog night with mail trink
Don't rly need logs, if you tell me average dps of it I know enough
jagged pier
lucid pasture
about 300 dps
strong forum
Sack does like 360 dps but mastery
So that trinket is just a worse Sack
Or rather equal
I'm just kinda disappointed cuz I thought sack did aoe dmg, but it's just a dmg proc
jagged pier
sweet summit
strong forum
My question is tho, do you minmax the application on aoe or not
sweet summit
no
jagged pier
No
strong forum
Cuz it only applies to your main target
So you do more dps if you switch target after getting 1 stack on target a
Then apply stack to target b
Then apply stack to target c
So you get 3 procs dealing dmg instead of 1 proc popping
Ykno
lucid pasture
i literally didnt try anything else
strong forum
Since a 2 stack proc does the same dmg that a stack proc does that runs out
strong forum
So why the fuck would you stack 3 stacks on the same target
lucid pasture
im only a mail man
strong forum
When those 3 stacks could do literally 3x dmg if you spread it
Talking about sack here BTW
Not phial
strong forum
@jagged pier @sweet summit tboughts
I did like a small dummy test for like 2min i think spreading it is better no?
Since its borderline impossible to get 3 stacks on the same target anyway before the proc runs out
Never managed more than 2
strong forum
Could literally double sacks damage like that I think, cuz popping it with a 3stack does the same dmg as a 1 stack just running out
jagged pier
<@179993058186625025> <@165864577760755712> tboughts
U can min max it for sure, and do lots of damage but im lazy but would be good to do if pumping numbers
brazen sierra
My casual guild has just gotten up to Heroic Sylvanas P3, is the taunt swap just taunt when you get 3 stacks of Banshees bane? Do you need to taunt swap for the wailing arrow?
lofty widget
banshees bane are the pools on the ground that you run over to soak, then run to the corner with to get dispelled. there's not an actual tank swap in the last phase besides running out of defensives etc.
blazing condor
My casual guild has just gotten up to Heroic Sylvanas P3, is the taunt swap just...
We found it to be way more messy to swap every 3 stacks because you just spread out the stacks so more people need to be dispelled. Rn how we do it we just swap on arrow and if you dont got boss you clean platforms of pools. Works fine for us that way
brazen sierra
thanks, that helps.
turbid yacht
I'm looking to start tanking (low keys for now) and I'm trying to decide between Prot Pally or Warrior. Both of them are at similar ilvl so gear isn't an issue. Just wondering if anyone has any advice. I'm not opposed to either.
mossy peak
For low keys it's really gonna come down to your preference, when you go higher the biggest differences are that pally has better dps and has to kite like mad, warrior can sit and take hits better but doesn't have the emergency buttons that pally has
Tanking in general is ultimately really preferential though
Outside of literally razor edge top content everything works
pale gust
I'm looking to start tanking (low keys for now) and I'm trying to decide between...
Both are really good and fun to play, i mained a prot pally during season 9.0 and i loved it, avenger shield is so satisfying. However, prot warrior feels a lot different, it was kind of harder for me to get into, but once you learn it you'll find it better than prot pally, and of course it becomes a reliable option for high keys
prisma bear
@turbid yacht highly recommend prot pally for keys i main prot warrior but it can be frustrating depending on monkeys to kick far stuff or just in general and you can handle it pretty well on paladin alone
you can cleanse disease and poison yourself which is extremely frustrating for a warrior also sometimes
turbid yacht
Thanks for the info guys
wide pilot
on hoa is wicked bolt the priority or is it the curse?
hybrid forge
Looking to offspec prot when our tank is away, I have a blood splattered scale, 252 OPC, 252 Gland, 246 OWS and 246 Phial. Which of these trinkets would be best to use in raid scenario?
sick sentinel
i don't play in 9.1 but i played in 9.0 a bit and i know that scale is a reccomended due to aoe damage and giga bubble
mossy peak
aegis kind of supplanted scale
but until you get one it's still great, but either way is m+
not raid so much
for raid probably ows and phial
of those options
sick sentinel
i prefered organ a bit because of short cooldown on demand healing, even though it takes a long time to generate enough charges
hybrid forge
Why phial out of curiosity?
mossy peak
damage
hybrid forge
Oh okay
sick sentinel
does good damage, it's your offensive option
mossy peak
basically you cant over-survive anything
if you are meeting the survival check and not unduly taxing healers
then you should ideally focus your efforts into dps instead
that is the added value you can bring
hybrid forge
Makes sense, cheers for that
I donโt have a legendary yet but I do have the kyrian legendary. Would that be decent enough until I can get the legendary?
mossy peak
kyrian legendary is pure dps, and it is good at that
sick sentinel
if you aren't doing good dps, you should be doing mechanics, doing interupts and boss positioning to save pugs asses
mossy peak
i would highly advise reprisal asap even at 190 level though
sick sentinel
is the other thing you can do to save keys as tank
hybrid forge
Itโs mythic raid prog
Yeah okay
And just spam intervene on charge weave?
And*
mossy peak
yep
keep em on cd except when you need them for movement obviously
the buff stacks
you can also choose the wall instead for less frequent larger damage sources but as far as im aware reprisal is pretty much the go to for this entire raid, i haven't had to off tank more than a fight or two so far this round so i can't say from personal experience
any time you are tanking the boss or adds you pretty much want reprisal for max block uptime
sick sentinel
i want to see them add in a ff14 like UI customization built into the base game, and a blizzard dps/details meter, is my main wishes for 9.1.5
so i don't have to do 40 addons
mossy peak
i dont think blizz would ever do a dps meter
as much as they bake in things like item level and now io
that is just an insane spider web of problems to introduce
hybrid forge
So whilst Iโm tanking Iโm intervening the second tank?
sick sentinel
i just don't want to have to deal with managing 40 addons and praying that all my shit works and nobody lags out
mossy peak
you can do that, but do keep in mind that fucks up some things like deathlink on eye and the debuffs on the nine
you will double them up
and both get the mechanic
sick sentinel
would relieve alot of stress if the other 4 members didn't have to do tons of addons too and didn't lag out because of it
mossy peak
i have a mouseover intervene
so i can just whack a melee without fishing for a target
mossy peak
pretty much, within reason
hybrid forge
Provided I get the value out of standing in it
sick sentinel
that and, ice boss with ice aura and frost beetle who leaves ice colored circles that debuff you....
hybrid forge
And spell reflect on CD unless thereโs a specific mechanic I can reflect?
sick sentinel
makes it pretty hard to see whats going on some times
hybrid forge
Yeah okay, makes sense
mossy peak
thats usually something that comes at set intervals
sick sentinel
i remember it in TBC when the warrior would take next melee, so if he was arms would get trucked by boss 20k or whatever
yup, thats my wish list for 9.1.5/ 9.2 /9.3 / ???? future: make the game multicore so it doesn't lag out as easily, class viability changes across board sweeping changes, bug fixes, built in addon options.
wide pilot
Hey looking at my logs for an hoa run. Under damage taken I see the spell wicked bolt and it shows the casts and hits. Itโs showing 44 casts and 39 hits does that mean only 5 were interrupted? Am I reading this right?
simple mural
Getting there~
fierce skiff
So i have heard about this intervene for boss 2 in spires... how would someone with the reaction time of a snail like me be able to do this? is there a macro or wa for dealing with that boss specfically?
modern brook
Target of target works well there
cedar spear
Does it though? Afaik the boss doesn't actually change its target. The way I understood it is that you just always intervene a ranged dps shortly before the cast and then hope that you guessed correctly (so only garanteed with only one ranged dps in the group)
wide pilot
Whatโs this intervene trick?
ionic fern
Whatโs this intervene trick?
Intervene Dark Stride - the charge the boss does on a random ranged/healer i guess?
mental scarab
shut summit
yea you can intervene the bleed
ionic fern
He liiiives.
jagged pier
sense alive?!?!?!?!?
oblique garnet
@shut summit when will wow be good again 
ionic fern
Once they reach "MoP Classic!"
jagged pier
โ๏ธ
oblique garnet
Once they reach "MoP Classic!"
You say that but classic is version is still boring because all the content is played out regardless and it gets stale really fast
If you look purely from class desing pov sure mop was good raid were good but there was big content draughts aswell
And if you were to do the raids now they wouldnt prove to be difficult
strong forum
Timewalking m+ but all the time
And it's ilvl will be competitive
Timewalking raiding with competetive gear without restrictions
Go full on ffxiv
sweet summit
oblique garnet
Idk that wouldnt necessarily be enough even when wow has superior combat engine to FF just because timewalking is still timewalking and you dont have the same class as you did back then
You say you will like legion timewalking m+ but then you realise that class design is ass rn and you start to hate it
strong forum
I already know that it won't be nearly as fun
ionic fern
Timewalking..but you also timewalk your class design back.
Imagine being able to pick any design of the class and just play with it on current content.
A whole new level of "What fits this fight style best".
blazing condor
Chromie hit a fella up thx
brittle owl
well
brittle owl
Imagine being able to pick any design of the class and just play with it on curr...
classic
orchid frigate
if i havent done a key in a while on a char, isn't it better to run one at a level you think fits (and get a new one at that level) than ask the m+ vendor for a key and getting a +2 key?
brittle owl
but with xfer
strong forum
classic
As late said, everything about the content is known and get stale incredibly fast
So you need the classic era thingy that's coming
Old xpacs remastered is what's needed to prevent from happening what's exactly happening
brittle owl
staleness is debatable tbh
blazing condor
just pull a OSRS and return to the old systems and style of the game - but continue it on from there
brittle owl
rn people got sour taste in their mouth mostly
blazing condor
so it doesnt get stale
brazen yarrow
why is venthyr bad?
wide pilot
In hoa should I be removing 1 stack of the bleed ASAP or is it fine to stay in there u til I get 2 or 3
wide pilot
How do you stay alive with 6 on you lol
jagged pier
i just press buttons
wide pilot
Iโll have to try that
How are you starting your hoa run Haley? With a triple or a quad or what
silk edge
Pull the pat and go do the left shard with bl and all cdโs
Can cc the pat to lighten up the pull but in hoa you need to pull big
jagged pier
u have like 30% crit
strong forum
Never had to run out to reset bleeds, only run away from big gorgon
Yes I do :^)
30% natural parrychance is goat
blazing condor
there really aint that many kicks
first pull you got 3 kicks total
where 2 are more important (obliterators)
every shard has those 3 kicks
besides those pulls its like 1 / 2 kicks max a pull
which really isnt that bad
wide pilot
What is the priority kick the bolt or curse? Since the bolt does so my dmg to me Iโd think that would be priority especially since the curse can be dispelled
blazing condor
for us staying alive its defo bolt
ionic fern
which really isnt that bad
Meanwhile everyone kicks the same target at the same time.
blazing condor
๐คทโโ๏ธ
wide pilot
You think they will add more time to halls?
blazing condor
you kinda gotta pull like this with the shit timer in the dg
they just gave the dg more time
they extended it by 1 min like a week ago or something
wide pilot
Feels like it needs at least another min to make the pulls not so big
Donโt get me wrong I like big pulls like in ardenweld. But when there are casters I. There that chunk you not so much lol
blazing condor
the hoa pulls just dont feel good at all
casters eating you up, dogs eating you up, thrusts in your face, rapid fires
wide pilot
As much as I use to hate hoa tyran. Iโm starting to like it more than Itโs fort week lol the extra min def feels better on tyran
blazing condor
hoa tyrann is only really annoying cus of the 2nd boss
and bad overlaps on the last
wide pilot
Does the cd reset of the portals we get from timing a 20 key if you complete the dungeon? Heard someone say it did but havnt been able to find much about them other tha. How to get them lol
blazing condor
Does each dungeon have its own effect for the portal?
no ๐ฆ
ionic fern
Lets be honest..it's a pretty lackluster thing to get for completing stuff on a +20. ๐
If they told me "You can get DOM gear/gems from a +20" i'd be all over it. ๐ฆ
brittle owl
it's a pretty shrewd way of making the launch seem better though
wide pilot
Imagine getting shards tailored to m+ from a 20
ionic fern
Kinda dumb and a missed opportunity. ๐คท
Just make a raid set drop from raids and a m+ set drop from m+. ๐คท
But instead you have to raid or be without it cause you know..blizz.
dry spear
can i leap over the spiks on painsmith at any time?
tame jasper
But instead you have to raid or be without it cause you know..blizz.
Yes. Hate this ๐คฎ
strong forum
can i leap over the spiks on painsmith at any time?
The spikes are omega easy to leap over yes
dry spear
ok so i have to window where they "hit" me? like when i leap over them when they spawn or something. the blue ground effect
blazing condor
the blue just kinda shows where they're hitting
its like half a second before they hit you
prisma bear
can you leap over the balls?
blazing condor
pray to balls ๐
urban portal
Im too scared to try
thats what heroic reclear is for
placid oar
Kinda dumb and a missed opportunity. ๐คท
Just make a raid set drop from raids and...
Would be so good if blizz actually take this direction.
sweet summit
thats what heroic reclear is for
Playing rogue in those
urban portal
honestly it would make sense if m+ dropped dom sockets that cant activate set bonus
ionic fern
Yes it would..hence why they won't do it.
ionic fern
Only if that tmog set provides me dom sockets.
brittle owl
it would make sense to add a cool tomog set for 20s in time
or a cool tmog set droppong from raid. and both would give you these bonuses tailored to fix or improve your spec in that content!
oh wait
strong forum
Blasphemy
jagged pier
yer that doesnt sound like something fun as it blokes of 4 pieces of armour that you have to get
ionic fern
Just give me a item that allows me to socket what ever gear piece i have with a dom socket.
Smh.
ionic fern
True.
wild hemlock
just pull a OSRS and return to the old systems and style of the game - but conti...
or just have the devs actually listen like jagex does
empty spindle
I wish we could put prismatic sockets on dom gear
wild hemlock
i wish we could use other legos than reprisal ๐ฆ
strong forum
You can but you'll be at a disadvantage
Just like bears could run smth else but UFR, but they're gonna be slightly different in performance
glad needle
I find myself holding onto shield wall constantly even with the wall. I'm sure it's because of the low level content I'm doing since my war is fairly new and only tanked normal pugs, but I feel like I'm building a bad habit. Any tips to get out of it?
jagged pier
nothing more than press it really
strong forum
Whenever you know you won't need it in the next 1.5 minutes for mechanic X, just use it when anything is happening tbh
Or since you're running the wall, to fill SB gaps
Or also use it in execute when you don't want to spend the rage on SB ;)
glad needle
I've been doing that last bit with last stand lol
obtuse prism
dorki was streaming with the dps leggo on saturday - did mostly fine with that in big pulls 21
he was playing last talent on right tho - the long sb
strong forum
Yeah whenever you don't play reprisal, you play Bolster in keys
To make up for the lack of SB uptime
You can play AM for max pump + seismic, but that takes a bit more kiting
strong forum
Also isn't dorki doing mdi currently?
strong forum
Ic
Pwar in top makes sense, very good dungeon for us
Mists is also huge for us, but idk if seismic pwar is more dmg than spb dh
I guess on 7 or less targets pwar does more
craggy pilot
aw i love +18s
lament scroll
aw i love +18s
that shit boomkin dps though.
craggy pilot
boomkins are hit or miss this season it seems
everyone playing them cus they were OP S1
and now they dont know how to DPS
cyan onyx
Good player, Bad class > bad player, good class
craggy pilot
you love to see it ๐
sweet kayak
๐คฃ
jagged pier
does OWS still break invis?
primal cape
you love to see it ๐
๐ก
old flame
does OWS still break invis?
I haven't had mine break it recently
strong forum
aw i love +18s
Bro I do more on my 200ilvl havoc dh than that ele sham...
craggy pilot
come int my keys then @strong forum
strong forum
I die when I get looked at from 1 mechanic
Idk how to survive as dps if I don't have spell reflect and a 1.5min CD parry
lime urchin
Those sweet +15โs in the groupfinder
jagged pier
ew im in ITF and BV in a dungeon
cyan onyx
Wait what do you run instead of booming voice?
strong forum
ew im in ITF and BV in a dungeon
Cringe
strong forum
Wait what do you run instead of booming voice?
Well what does reprisal proc grant you
Which buff besides shieldblock
strong forum
;)
languid vigil
Which is more damage in M+, NF or Kyrian?
strong forum
Depends which route you take
strong forum
Which is more damage in M+, NF or Kyrian?
Both are pretty much the same now
craggy pilot
i go orbs first route
KulTharok, then Gorechop, then PvP, then up
we lusted boss 1-2-4 there
not sure if you can do it better somehow
obtuse prism
Also isn't dorki doing mdi currently?
he is, but every evening they do some troll content :D
ancient monolith
we lusted boss 1-2-4 there
I prefer to BL a big pack before 4th boss or to BL last boss
craggy pilot
? we alrdy lusted 4th boss?
chilly brook
I prefer to BL a big pack before 4th boss or to BL last boss
What big pack?
:Detective:
Its ToP
craggy pilot
ye not rly sure what hes saying ๐
ancient monolith
What big pack?
pull one those big guys with the 5 pack in corridor
chilly brook
pull one those big guys with the 5 pack in corridor
But...you dont need lust for that....
It dies so fast
Like seriously its ToP
strong forum
on a fort week, lusting that fuckoff pull infront of gorechop is not a terrible idea
chilly brook
Gorechop trash is meme
chilly brook
If you're gonna lust trash I'd rather double pull the first 2 mini bosses in that wing together tbh
And lust that
chilly brook
Depends on the mini bosses for the week
chilly brook
I c
ancient monolith
on higher keys thats suicide
Could be possible if only 1 mini boss is pulled with the said pack right?
strong forum
also suicide
chilly brook
Because arbalists
strong forum
that commander pack + the ranged bois fucks your dps up
cuz they attack your dps players
not you
untold plank
hello have dk discord?
strong forum
chilly brook
I was gonna hit him with the lmgtfy
@ancient monolith tldr ToP doesnt play well with big pulls because there are none and making big pulls is usually a bad idea outside of a few choice things that die easily
mellow bridge
double miniboss is playable depending on fort/tyra and which ones you get
as long as you dont get the two that both do the aoe shout, it's really fine on tyrannical
I've done it in 23s without any issue
chilly brook
Hence my statement on it depends which you get
mellow bridge
the first one that pummels you literally does nothing as a prot and is just one circle to dodge for your group
chilly brook
^
mellow bridge
havent tried it on fort on a high key to be fair tho
chilly brook
I can't imagine it's too much different if its fort especially with lust and if you have CDs for it defensively assuming those two
Since ideally the group shouldn't be taking too much damage, but I'd wager you wouldn't want to try it in a 23 fort
mellow bridge
i could imagine pummel guy + colossus smash one being a bit nasty for the tank on a fortified
but on tyra it was ez
as long as it's not double shout, it should be doable
ancient monolith
<@305833188130029568> tldr ToP doesnt play well with big pulls because there are...
yeah that makes sense
balmy coral
Man, my main is a prot warrior and I am a Huge pumper but damn Everytime I heal a prot warrior they are awful. When I see a warrior wearing the wall I roll my eyes. Even in SOD, reprisal offers infinitely more mitigation too
balmy coral
I never have issues healing them they just don't pump. I did 6.7K DPS in a Mists earlier this week
urban portal
i remember i was terrorizing healers left and right in 9.0
i was struggling with 15s at 224
as prot
my vdh was not bad at 220
balmy coral
The only thing that sucks is consistent magic damage where I have to spam IP. Unless my group interupts.
balmy coral
9.0.5 was a HUGE improvement for us.
ionic nimbus
sure, but beginning of SL was not bad for an addon start ... just thinking back to BfA release ...
urban portal
shield block whats that
ionic nimbus
^^
vapid berry
havent tried it on fort on a high key to be fair tho
yeah ur dead on a high key to that no question and then your group insta leaves after seeing that happen haha
chilly brook
Man, my main is a prot warrior and I am a Huge pumper but damn Everytime I heal ...
Not on the Eye or Sylvanas
timber abyss
Random question, is their any soft cap for Haste for Shield Block uptime? Just playing around with a few ring combos, wondering if there's a point I just want more raw Vers / Crit than Haste / Vers
chilly brook
No
timber abyss
Nice nice, the haste shall continue to stack
balmy coral
Not on the Eye or Sylvanas
Going to have to disagree, with intervening and I can fit in about 10 charges a run really outweighs the CD reduction and rage generation of the wall.
With Syl I probably charge 2 dozen times.
chilly brook
Hitting 40% haste unbuffed you might want to consider running some other stats but theres no real cap @timber abyss
balmy coral
Then again my Syl parse is 99% lol
chilly brook
Going to have to disagree, with intervening and I can fit in about 10 charges a ...
Nothing outweighs 1 minute Shield Wall on bosses you cant mitigate
:Detective:
sweet summit
timber abyss
Hitting 40% haste unbuffed you might want to consider running some other stats b...
Ah ye I'm thankfully a bit away from that, I'm sitting at 26-32% haste and 17-23% Vers depending on items equipped so I'll go for as much haste as poss for now haha, thanks again!
balmy coral
It was 10th for my ilevel in the world at one point.
sweet summit
hc sylv reprisal is fine
but i dont think id live at all without the wall on mythic
chilly brook
Cool
sweet summit
she hurt
balmy coral
Yea, surviving isn't difficult anymore, it's about damage.
chilly brook
Have you actually done mythic sylvanas? Lol
strong forum
On HC and most mythic bosses survival is never difficult
strong forum
Idk from what I'm hearing eye is a pushover
sweet summit
eye is ye
strong forum
It's fucking 2nd boss how hard can it be
sweet summit
doesnt really matter
strong forum
Exactly
chilly brook
It's not super hard I'm saying it actually hurts
balmy coral
Oh I can't do mythic raiding until it's available for pugging.
chilly brook
Granted I didnt have the strongest healing core
balmy coral
I only do AOTC pugging.
chilly brook
balmy coral
Which is impressive because it means my groups aren't stacked.
urban portal
my guild tank runs natures fury
strong forum
It's as impressive as you want to believe
urban portal
it was hard like 3 weeks ago lol
like everyone was dying to titanic death gaze
but ye we chilling now
sweet summit
what the fuck is titanic death gaze
urban portal
big raid wide during intermission
sweet summit
oh
urban portal
22k raid wide is quite a lot
sweet summit
strong forum
Just heal it up?
urban portal
healers r shit
strong forum
There's your issue
urban portal
well theres other rot happening durin that time
dps was not high either
so score/ire was kicking
5k a tick+22k raidwide
chilly brook
Like 22k raidwide
The problem is it happens with a bunch of other stuff
I died as arms from like 60% because of it
urban portal
^
just rally through it
the problem is that rally doesnt reach the other side
so you need 2 rallies
and then 2 darkness if you are into that
chilly brook
18 on one side and tank and healer on the other
Slam the fuck outta one eye, jump over at 5 stacks and slam the other one
They die at the same time
chilly brook
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Idk it's the weird strat we did
I woulda rather had the 50/50 so I can get max pad
urban portal
ill do whatever makes it faster
chilly brook
Idk which is faster
urban portal
arms 2 target cleave right
strong forum
Exactly
urban portal
i forgot
whats the punishment for pulling them together
outside of scorn/ire touch
sweet summit
ye u just die
chilly brook
Remember when bosses that had to be split used to not be one shot mechanics but rather really taxing enrages but allowed people who played well to get away with blasting them together for a little bit? I member
balmy coral
Anyone else always parse purple their first kill?
jagged pier
nope
sick sentinel
Heey I've done first 19 and first 19 with prot war.. Do you guys remember when I was a nooob. I am still but I am improving thanks to you guys
I used Nomeraturs WA and I timed most of my Keys with it so thanks to him
I'm thinking about an alt at this point since they're not much things to do
Prot war is my main since playing wow ( started in 9.0.5 )
strong forum
sick sentinel
What's Prot wars favourite alt?
sick sentinel
but only when Spirit bomb playstyle is meta
I've heard there's alot of kitting when you play DH and unlike war you can't just face tank everything z is that right?
strong forum
yeah thats why everybody screamed kite meta in 9.0
cuz yes shit hit hard, but VDH also naturally needs to kite 50% of the time
by design
sick sentinel
Then I'd struggle getting the hang of it
sick sentinel
I'm thinking of prot paladin but I also heard it doesn't have good mitigation
strong forum
i like SPB playstyle cuz its literally played like a dps
strong forum
I'm thinking of prot paladin but I also heard it doesn't have good mitigation
every tank has good to decent mitigation, just gotta play it right
sick sentinel
i like SPB playstyle cuz its literally played like a dps
Yeah specially when you can't do much damage with prot war ( which I think will change with double revenge leggo at the end of expansion )
strong forum
well
pwar does literally the same dmg as any other tank in m+
bdk does a little less
monk does a good bit more
sick sentinel
In highkeys it's true
strong forum
i mean in low keys we can also destroy meters with seismic
sick sentinel
my biggest damage was 60k Spell reflect in SoA's mobs
drifting oasis
does challenging shout taunt on raid bosses?
sick sentinel
i mean in low keys we can also destroy meters with seismic
I tried to boost 4 people, they were doing 2.5/3k DPS overall. I did 6k overall. But I struggled alot with healing because I couldn't have SB up all the time and it was FF week.
I also did more healing than my healer lol
sick sentinel
That's what I realized too ๐
sick sentinel
does challenging shout taunt on raid bosses?
Yes
I use challenging shout when my DPS spear in NW
And I have taunt on CD
drifting oasis
and on raid bosses like Tarragrue?
tribal pagoda
and on raid bosses like Tarragrue?
Works as well, fatfingered aoe taunt on soulrender Last night and it worked
lofty widget
challenging shout is just regular taunt on long cd
ancient monolith
What do you guys think about Sylvanas ring? Is it great since ilvl is pretty good?
lofty widget
wouldnt use it unless your rings are much lower ilvl, since it doesnt have haste
ancient monolith
given this scenario: you have Sylv ring and the other two rings from Mythic raid (the ones that have a ton of Haste), which ones would one use?
strong forum
Haste
lofty widget
ilvl isnt as important on jewelry since theres no mainstat on them
strong forum
I'd easily drop over 16ilvl to get a haste ring
Over a non haste ring
Hell im still using a 226 ring
With haste + socket
chilly brook
I personally wouldn't
Haven't dropped ilvl as a tank outside of sockets in a long time
Like legion actually
Regardless it clearly doesnt matter
strong forum
In my case I'd need a 246+ big haste ring before I drop my other haste + socket ring
I ain't gonna drop 180 haste
Fuck that
That's fucking 6%
fiery bane
hey all i need som,e prot warrior tips
im new to prot, and im haveing problems not getting one shot
unique shale
fiery bane
im a prot 210 ilvl and i cant survive even +2 keys, im useing the wall legendary and still i get one shoted
i run out of shild block charges alot
and dont know what to do :S
ionic fern
im a prot 210 ilvl and i cant survive even +2 keys, im useing the wall legendary...
Have you gone over any of the guides?
fiery bane
i just read the icy veins guide, but they mention how to to tank with the charge legendary not with the wall
and i think im doing things rly wrong if i die on a +2
fiery bane
im thinking on useing a CD on every recharge time of shild block but havent testet that yet
strong forum
With 210 you should be able to comfortably tank +10s