please, look at her
#protection
pale gust
jagged pier
but shes better
blazing condor
jagged pier
ew
mellow patio
male panda with fish is ideal
we have a winner
female character model kinda cringe
woven bear
Is there a weak aura that warns me before pulling aggro from the active tank?
strong forum
the nameplate tells you
"high threat"
and it changes colour when youre about to take aggro
woven bear
Yeah it says high threat all the fight
cinder nova
Your co-tank is probably either super undergeared or grossly underachieving.
strong forum
then youre constantly in danger of pulling aggro
woven bear
yeah my co tank rerolled and is 10ilvl below me
cinder nova
Nah, that's not what'll do it.
I've had people at 220 which is over 20 ilvls away hold aggro fine.
They probably just do absolutely no damage and focus all their energy on survival, which is a bit wasteful, but w/e. If they're not willing to change and your raid doesn't care, yeah - just pull on the reigns.
But that's kinda dookie tbh
woven bear
i'm sure he manages to fix this soon with gear and practice, but it doesn't help right now
dusty stump
Are the pools on the P3 of H Syl always cleaned up by the tank with wailing arrow? I'm specifically speaking about the pools on the next platform the grp is moving too after razes the current platform.
cinder nova
I legit had to dog my VDH cotank into being a pumper, and he's actually really happy I pushed him, but he struggled with aggro several fights .
cinder nova
Are the pools on the P3 of H Syl always cleaned up by the tank with wailing arro...
No, they don't have to be, but it's a good strat to get ahead of mechanics.
It does require coordination from your healers and tanks during Raze so one of them stays back to dispel right as he lands
That way they can both fuck off before the cast closes and wipes them.
Otherwise you can do the normal routine of gathering up all the existing bane pools and just cluttering them in the corner.
elfin nova
there's absolutely no reason not to
if you're progging it and need to play last platform you really need to clear it
cinder nova
I mean, you don't need to no, but it makes it significantly easier.
Mostly because it minimizes DPS being dumb and walking into shit.
My first kill was a PUG and we didn't even bother, but having done it again doing so, it makes it more manageable.
brave jetty
I had a similar issue with my cotank - he was like 10-15 ilvl lower AND underachieving in dmg (single digit parses consistently)
cinder nova
Yeah that's unacceptable to me.
brave jetty
It took about a two month passive aggressive campaign to change it
cinder nova
Tanks that aren't even making an effort to DPS - and I don't mean sweaty 99th percentile parses - are frustrating to tank with.
Especially when they say "STOP TAUNTING"
I'm not, you just suck, dude.
brave jetty
Tbh I stopped playing around it and just made it known in comms every time something fucked up because of it
blazing condor
if i got a 252 1h and loot a higher 2h than what i got can i trade it or nah
brave jetty
Bosses would regularly be taunt immune because he had to randomly taunt to hold
To his credit something finally clicked in the past couple of weeks and now he's like 40% parsing and there are no more aggro issues
Still garbo but no longer an active problem
cinder nova
Bet you he just ranked up his blood set
100% that's where my money is at
Check his early parses and then his recent parses
brave jetty
It also helps that you have to be sure you're always first up on boss so that you don't have to worry about holding back on pull
cinder nova
See where his blood link damage is at
My VDH cotank does less than me consistently, but he's only like ~500 DPS behind on most fights so it's easy for him to just take aggro so I can go absolutely nuts and forget about the first tank mechanic most of the time (assuming it requires me to leave boss)
crystal hill
how is it that a VDH doesn't do damage
isn't smacking the boss a good portion of your staying alive
sick sentinel
anyone here knows if guardian druid can tank obliterate in guardian mythic without bops or is it a must our tank having issues
cinder nova
Both oblits?
cinder nova
You have to have 4 people in it on Mythic
sick sentinel
yeah 4 people 3 immune + 1 tank
not sure how guardian works against high physical + magic damage intake he wants the bop always having issues with it
cinder nova
Oh, dunno - I don't think he should be getting flattened, but... ?
sick sentinel
well he did thats what i also think
he should be able to tank it without issues at least one stack but
cinder nova
idk warrior can live it with just LS, Wall, and SR
sick sentinel
i have no idea so wanted an opinion
cinder nova
Not sure how a bear is getting dunked
cinder nova
Did you ask what CDs he's using?
sick sentinel
he just claimed he needed bops i have no idea
cinder nova
Ask him.
blazing condor
@jagged pier
https://gyazo.com/a76ba3102577df3cd0db9634e4e1f536
i did some things
sick sentinel
checking logs in a break now checked like 5 random ones no bops on guardian
cinder nova
<@!179993058186625025>
https://gyazo.com/a76ba3102577df3cd0db9634e4e1f536
i did...
M SOD?
cinder nova
Gotta pump up your Tarra parse homie
cinder nova
What was your DPS on Guardian? 🤔
blazing condor
5,9k
cinder nova
NF or Kyrian
blazing condor
kyrian 🙂
cinder nova
Hmmm..
tardy sequoia
guys can bronn Aggro mobs accidentally?
cinder nova
He can social stuff yes
jagged pier
u can just right click him off
tardy sequoia
wow i learned a new thing this evening
bright flax
sweet summit
NICE 
bright flax
So today i learned you can have dinner between the run, time barely matters
dry flicker
what floor did you go afk on?
sweet summit
jagged pier
yer if u stay at the start the timer dont start
bright flax
I had given up on flawless, stayed for the cinders, got a conduit upgrade
strong forum
unluck
bright flax
It is a bit sour. Get item, save for end of patch
strong forum
tmog > conduits
bright flax
Tonight gonna run the wall in raid
Taking AM, wondering if Im missing something by not using HR there
modern brook
Reprisal
strong forum
You'd always play AM anyway
Lol
Why on earth would you play HR
Or wall, for that matter
bright flax
well its not unviable so why not try it eventually?
strong forum
The only boss I could understand HR would be Guardian, but you want AM for the tank combo too so eh
strong forum
well its not unviable so why not try it eventually?
I guess
bright flax
ye same thought, AM seems better in too many scenarios that the minimum dps I could get from HR seems not worth it
tribal adder
hey guys, I'm an arms warrior helping my guild by tanking some m+15s, only really have dps trinkets though.. OPC/OWS/Howl/IQD/Phial. Does it matter which I do for survivability?
OWS seems like the only one that grants continual benefit through haste
ocean yoke
Youll be fine with whichever trinkets you go, OWS/phial is a great combo though since it will do a lot of damage
sturdy sable
OWs and phial are bis
bright flax
phial ows sounds good to delete mobs faster
tribal adder
ok, I'd been using howl alongside OWS since it gives that mircoheal but just feels meh
tardy sequoia
so what to do when healer says "mana"?
should I stop whatever the f i'm doing and watch as the mythic timer goes by?
ocean yoke
its give em 10 seconds or so to drink or waste 1 or 2 minutes wiping when they go oom
if you dont time its not cause they need 10 seconds to drink
dry flicker
healers cant drink until spitefuls are killed or disappear. they are used to drinking right after mobs die so they seem slow this week.
tardy sequoia
Yeah it's def slower
nova surge
Is the ravager thr best talent gor m+ as tank?
jagged pier
yes
cinder nova
How come every hunter I do SOA with I have to tell them to dispel weapons? 🤔
Are they all just mentally stunted and can't read?
Do they not care?
modern brook
Are they all just mentally stunted and can't read?
They play hunter
modern brook
Are you talking about the weapons thag get thrown on the ground?
cinder nova
Yes.
They actually hit tanks hard and can cleave on high keys.
I've watched an Hpal get bodied by one in a 21.
modern brook
Do hunters have a purge for it?
cinder nova
And now you'll hate 90% of the hunters you meet
modern brook
What do you mean now lmao
cinder nova
ffs blizz gimmie back shield slam purge
kek
Good ol' days when Shield Slam used to dispel a magic effect.
pale gust
hey guys, I'm an arms warrior helping my guild by tanking some m+15s, only reall...
I would take ows and iqd big time. iqd saves keys, try to farm scale though.. scale does both (dmg and surv)
jagged pier
Please do not use iqd it is bad
blazing condor
Just tried my first key with aegis
obviously feels fine
tryna compare it to that of a scale
did a NW so definitely felt good on the bigger pulls
brave jetty
Is Scale dmg anything to write home about? I always thought it was totally negligible
jagged pier
U dont need ither in NW tho
blazing condor
Nah but i just wanted to test it out 
jagged pier
U dont run ither scale or aegis for damage
blazing condor
aegis + ows felt good
young harbor
what sort of overall dps should we be shooting for in 20+ keys (i understand it will vary between dungeons, just looking for a baseline)
strong forum
Is Scale dmg anything to write home about? I always thought it was totally negl...
It's like 200 dps if you use it on CD, so it actually does good dmg now..
strong forum
what sort of overall dps should we be shooting for in 20+ keys (i understand it ...
6-7k
young harbor
ty
strong forum
Can obv do more on some keys
young harbor
yeah, i had a feeling it was based partially on dungeon and group comp to some degree. im sitting 5.7-6.5 was just curious how shitty that was
mighty valley
definitely affected by group, better dps players raises everyone
young harbor
yeah, can do larger pulls etc etc
ocean yoke
it really does vary big based on m+ week and dungeon, youre probably doing fine at those numbers most of the time
dim token
Anyone know what’s the most accurate source of anima guys placement
MDT always seem to be wrong for me
patent osprey
Enjoy
Spell reflect + intervene first boss of NW makes your teammates immune to the spit. You can do every one
hollow sun
is this a recent discovery?
mellow bridge
huh
ive def intervened before for the safeguard damagereduction but they still took damage
so it only works in combination with SR
that feels like a bug
sweet summit
feel like its one of the tornado frontal from ToS type of thing
where u can only reflect it if youre not targeted?
but its also interveneable?
thats my theory 
one of u test that ty 
patent osprey
yeah u can only reflect
if its not on u
with intervene
why, i dunno
but it is
fringe marten
I mean: it's the same reason you will take the overpower? stack or whatever on terragrue if you intervene cotank at the wrong time. (But they get the stack too I think..it's wonk) But as long as you stay in 10y YOU TAKE that hit, whatever that hit entails..if it has a stacking effect, a dot..whatever..you take that. And since you have SR up..you dink the spell damage.
fringe marten
So I don't think it's a 'bug' it's working mechanically how the abilities work.
sweet summit
link log @patent osprey 👀
modern brook
So I don't think it's a 'bug' it's working mechanically how the abilities work.
If ur targeted byspit, sR doesn't work
This only works specifically with intervene reflect
fringe marten
I know; because the ability has already BEEN cast on you.
So you would have had to pre reflect it.
But you intervene; so NOW you're the new target..so the finishing 'piece' of the cast..the actual damage portion; then tries to apply to the target..you've intervened.
It's like spell reflecting a channel AFTER it channels..it doesn't work.
worthy karma
Is there any tips for increasing my damage in keys? for 18s I am averaging 5.4k give or take I'm running scale at 220 and 239 defense matrix? at 241 ilvl
fringe marten
I'm not saying it's intuitive; but ? It works like the mechanics of those abilities should 'make' it work..but let's be honest Intervene already has some wonky side effects (like both tanks getting a stack of a mechanic, instead of the intervenER) and spell reflect is not a super intuitive ability either...so it's not a shocker that it's taken this long for it to be really be discovered.
The shitty thing is; if it's a full reflect for damage..I bet they patch it. If it just deflects it they might not.
LOL at the start of the clip Plka talking about the Varruth bleed..I'm guessing this week on high keys that dude is a monster. Grievous/half healing/bleed on tank/bleed on charge target? Yikes.
mellow bridge
That's not really accurate tho
Because even if the bosses casted it on you
It should still deal the damage to the targets next to you
Because it's an aoe cast
But you just reflect the entire thing which shouldn't really work
fringe marten
It's not an aoe cast.
mellow bridge
If it was just reflectable then a dps warrior could do the same when they're targeted by it
But they can't
It only works in combination with intervene which makes it bug out somehow
patent osprey
I only bring you guys the information. its up to the theory crafters to figure it out 🙂
fringe marten
well? it can't be I don't think..maybe it is...but I would THINK the spell is probably coded like this: "begin ability: instant apply 'spawn grubs on X player" Start uninterruptable channel Y ability..locked to player position..finish Y channel..cast ability @ PLAYER (hence why intervene /reflect works)
weary hollow
hey can someone help me what legendary should i make for raid as prot?
mellow bridge
Unless I'm being dumb and dps warriors can just reflect it when targeted
But afaik they can't
mellow bridge
Yeah
fringe marten
Plka first off; thanks for sharing..obviously most of us didn't know about it. Secondly..were you in prot..with crash ramps socketed up top?
mellow bridge
So intervene makes it behave in a way in which it shouldn't
fringe marten
Plka I think because the ability has already been applied to you
that's the only way it makes mechanical sense
mellow bridge
hey can someone help me what legendary should i make for raid as prot?
Reprisal
weary hollow
on feet?
mellow bridge
Legs
ocean yoke
@weary hollow youll generally want reprisal for every fight but eye and sylv, on those wall go a bit better
patent osprey
Plka first off; thanks for sharing..obviously most of us didn't know about it. ...
errr i shouldnt of been unles I forgot
fringe marten
When you intervene you become a 'new' target for the finishing 'cast' of the ability...and hence reflect it. I can't htink of any other way it works.
weary hollow
tnx alot guys<3
fringe marten
In that clip you had crash ramps in your empowered mikanikos socket: btw..welcome back to MASTER BLUEMAN GROUP RACE.
Did you leave just for dps progression?
patent osprey
In that clip you had crash ramps in your empowered mikanikos socket: btw..welco...
Whelp yup then I had wrong conduits. No flame me ty 😄
ocean yoke
omg noob
fringe marten
Not flaming..I was like "OH is he arms ri..no..those are prot talents..WHAT IS GOING ON?"
patent osprey
uh im just trying kyrian for the next 3 weeks. Then ill decide where my heart goes.
mellow bridge
But yeah def thanks for sharing
patent osprey
I need to try kyrian so I can make a guide vid 🙂
mellow bridge
That's huge especially on tyra where it can just oneshot without a defensive
fringe marten
I'll tell you this; these are the worst weeks to be kyrian...if you run the empowered socket with the 'auto phial' you basically will never have that phial when you need it in keys.
fringe marten
You'll prob have to run the defense side and lose the 6% damage on spear.
Yeah but you had the auto phial side selected..with crash ramps in it..
fringe marten
and yes..I HATE auto phial..but I don't do scary enough keys for me to REALLy worry about losing phial.
yup; you get spear in the bottom/center of the tree. kinda' booty~
But owlmans still bae~ but yeah auto phial is awful..but I run it for the spear damage.
Were you fae before?
patent osprey
yea
dense gate
I knew you could intervene 1st boss nw and the debuff would go on yourself but had no idea the debuff was reflectable
Does it do damage to the boss?
fringe marten
I was considering going fae for mythic painsmith but; we have 2 or 3 pallys depending on the night.
lethal arrow
What's your cotank @fringe marten
fringe marten
we've gone through 2 =\ was another prot war, now a bear.
only guild in the world that had gone 5/10 with 2 prot wars LOL
patent osprey
fringe marten
Because MANLINESS that's why? (it's what we had..we went horde and my old cotank of years decided he wanted to quit this tier and go play FF. we lost the OTHER prot warrior because his girlfriend wanted to go play FF as well(
It's not bad; you have the same benefits of a warrior..2 rally cries/reflect etc but also the same weaknesses.
lavish oracle
fringe marten
I haven't had it happen yet..or confirmed it; so he can/does?
empty spindle
I got a weak aura that tells me to dismiss bron if his up when coming up to a skip
cunning viper
is Aegis trinket good?
ocean yoke
Guessing you mean the trinket from the nine, definitely yes
cunning viper
what would be a nice trinket setup for pushing m+, aegis+bloodscale or sticking with bloodscale+cheat death, i feel that kaelthas trinket is not that worth anymore
ocean yoke
Double on use won't be needed really, it kinda depends on dungeon too. Would recommend pairing scale or aegis depending on pull size with something like reactive defense matrix or just a different dps trinket
Cheat death would definitely not be worth it
dusky mica
if you M+ every day you'd never really want to play a cheat death trinket, but if you play with your friends once a week, not depleting a key is usually still worth
distant crystal
i wonder if you could just macro dismiss bron into invis pot
dusky mica
don't see why not
mighty cairn
does the shard of aegis work on dot effects like painsmith weapon, or is it literally just from melees in front you?
dusky mica
/cancelaura "Bron's Call to Action"
do spell id's work in macros?
333961 is the id
all damage
you'd assume not given the wording and the graphic though, yeah
mellow bridge
It's works on dots but you have to face him
dusky mica
I wrote a Bron addon which is why I know the id off the top of my head
it warns you at 70 stacks and optionally warns you at 75 too (which is pointless imo but some friends wanted to replicate the Bron Cena addon so I added it in)
heroic leap and non damaging tclaps give you stacks
so you have to take care if you're trying to game bron's entrance a bit while moving from pack to pack in m+
obtuse monolith
WWYD question. Got a iLvl upgrade! But it’s a 239 Mastery Haste neck from Tarra. Competing against 226 Crit Vers from Remnant or just do a 230 BoE w socket. Feels bad to use 230 but am I right in thinking the Stam from the 239 is not worth it?
No armor on neck obviously
dusky mica
that neck is ok tbh
most people follow this whole haste/vers thing but having very low mastery leads to block feeling a bit shitty sometimes, so having a boatload of mastery on that one item is fine
lofty widget
it's usually ok to sac some ilvl for "better" stats on jewelry, i'd probably go with the 230 one
dusky mica
we'll see you back here next week when you ask about the Kelthuzad neck instead
obtuse monolith
Exact numbers look like 98 Stam 178M 58H. A 230 is 88 Stam 158/63/socket. So 230 actually gets 1 more point of secondary thanks to free socket
Hope I get KT or Sylv to drop anything. At least I have OWS
dusky mica
I wore the tarr neck and restructured some other bits around it, because you'll end up with the mythic tarra neck anyway
unless you dont do mythic at all of course
lofty widget
preferably you open a sin stained in your vault
dusky mica
the vault of broken dreams, aye
obtuse monolith
Makes sense. Mastery just feels like our worst stat. Especially w blood link not scaling w it
dusky mica
mastery gets nuts if you have a lot of it
since you aim for 100% block uptime as it is with reprisal
it's not a bad stat but the rng nature of it feels bad
obtuse monolith
I’m fully ‘more stats = better stats’ jewelry’s just that one wonky exception
dusky mica
there's nothing stopping you switching stuff around per fight though
if the crafted neck is vers, use it for magic heavy fights, otherwise use the 239
mellow bridge
Keep in mind the crafted 230 has a socket for free
Which firmly puts it ahead of a hc tarragrue neck that doesn't have one
tame sleet
blood spattered scale better than aegis or old soul?
lofty widget
aegis+ows for m+
tame sleet
raids?
wide pilot
Where would I even start looking when looking at my logs to improve
ocean yoke
depends, trying to improve damage done or taken?
wide pilot
Damage take. Here is a log I feel I did pretty solid in only timed I died was on manastorms. Not sure how to tell what I did well or find out where I need to improve though
It’s the failed 19 DoS
fathom timber
Is there a healer that synergises better with prot warrior for pug reasons
celest glade
is the prot cheatsheet still somewhere? setting up a prot soulbind and don't know which conduits are best for key dam/surv
wide pilot
For what cov
hasty onyx
Well, I tried, and with all the input and effort, I parsed 20 percent lower. Time to give up the dream, me thinks.
elfin pebble
Has blizzard stated anything on why you can upgrade gear on alts after your main gets KSM anymore?
oblique garnet
Has blizzard stated anything on why you can upgrade gear on alts after your main...
You cant, its so you would play more content on your alt aswell 🙂
obtuse monolith
Well, I tried, and with all the input and effort, I parsed 20 percent lower. Tim...
20% lower on what (content), with what (gear/talents/soulbinds) vs what (gear/talents/soulbinds)? 🤔
wide pilot
In DoS when fighting the 2nd pack with the speaker in it is there a reason the smaller mobs keep casting while standing in my AA? Aren’t they suppose to be interrupted by it?
scarlet basalt
How do I check for damage blocked on Warcraft Logs?
craggy pilot
how does a Fort pull compare to a Tyrannical pull?
like is a 15 Fort the same as an 18 Tyrannical? 🤔
cedar spear
How do I check for damage blocked on Warcraft Logs?
Go to dmg taken, set it to melee and then hover your mouse over it. It'll give you a breakdown of % unblocked/blocked
jagged pier
damage taken -> melee bar -> hover over the hits column
cedar spear
If you want the value of how much damg you didn't take due to mitigation I don't know
jagged pier
u get that by hovering over the main par
cedar spear
Okay
craggy pilot
https://www.wowhead.com/mythic-damage-calc/de-other-side/15/10
holy shit just checked this, a 15 Fort spell does more dmg than a 18-19 Tyrannical 🤣
craggy pilot
thats crazy lol
guess it makes sense why i was able to do easy 17-18 last week, and this week i can barely get out of the first pull in a 16 DOS
i thought people kept saying Fort is easier than Tyrannical, but i feel the complete opposite 🤔
jagged pier
it is easier
it just harder on tanks
dps and healers dont need to care about mechanics in fort week
craggy pilot
ah the boss mechanics you mean?
jagged pier
pretty much
craggy pilot
but then they have to care about interrupts, or the tank gets one shot 😄
which doesnt rly happen on pugs
but ye Tyrannical is not very forgiving if you wipe on a 4min boss 😄
but packs feel soooooo easy
i just want a weekly affix that does like:
Mobs and bosses gain 0% dmg and health, but the keystone timer is reduced by 30%
or something like that 😄
obtuse monolith
i just want a weekly affix that does like:
Mobs and bosses gain 0% dmg and healt...
That’d be awesome!
‘Ok, get ready, I’m pulling the whole room to the boss.”
craggy pilot
yea exactly 😄 would be fun as fk
obtuse monolith
I mean I suppose it’s just a +2
craggy pilot
or maybe a hybrid affix, doing like
Bosses and mobs gain 15% dmg and health
oblique garnet
You can definitely pull mobs to bosses this week on 15s
fringe marten
Nielsen...we used to have M+ weeks like that..in Legion. /rememberTheOldTimes ..
(Nothing that reduced key timer and added no modifiers, but tyran/fort were not permanent affixes, so there were some weeks with like.. Volcanic/sanguine..and that was it)
I think it was still a 3 affix thing? But I can't remember the ultimate week..but I remember the 'sad wolverine' meme picture with that weeks affixes.
jagged pier
no
fringe marten
Was like Volcanic/sanguine/explosive? I think? basically a nothing week
blazing condor
fringe marten
Right; but I just remember there was one week..and we only got it a couple times; and no one realized how crazy easy of a push week it was until we NEVER got it again.
jagged pier
probably overflowing sanguine or somthing
fringe marten
But also..raider.io didn't really exist then? So No one cared.
OH! Overflowing..that was it
LOL the absolute non affix
jagged pier
healer affix
it sucked for everything but restro druid really
like my h pala was doing 2mil crits
fringe marten
Yeah except everyone..EVERYONE had a resto druid healer.
jagged pier
so we got 2 mil absorb sheild
fringe marten
resto druid was so stupidly common in legion because bears were so OP.
But yeah..ANY week with tyran/fort was dogshit. Didn't even matter what the other 2 affixes were because those 2 sucked so hard... little did we know what the future would be like 😦
And the pure demon week was like..? Fort/Teeming/Bolstering? that was a thing.
fringe marten
As NASTY as M+ is now compared to what it used to be... they realized they couldn't have that combo again.
Oh I remember..because I remember trying to do a spicy Halls of Valor on Fort/Teem/bolstering. That dragon pull that was like the second pack? HOLEE SHEET.
strong forum
Fort and tyr were level 10 affixes I remember that
With bfa they made them level 2 affixes
fringe marten
yup, but they weren't 'perma' as in..rotating each week.
strong forum
Yea
fringe marten
No they were not.
strong forum
Were they
jagged pier
yer they were
fringe marten
Has my memory just eroded that hard? I thought for sure there were weeks with 3 affixes; and one was NOT fort/tyran ?
fringe marten
I went looking it up too to confirm..and then it said "level 10 fort/tyran would be on each key"
jagged pier
every key over a 10
yes and it alternated per week like now
just in BFA
they added the rotation to all levels
always been on a higher than a 10
since the start
fringe marten
I had it just 'locked' into memory that the perma rotating tyran/fort was added in BFA..and it was only ocassionally in Legion.
jagged pier
i dunno what to say it was always there in legion
just at a higher key lvl
and theres wasnt actually much point in pushing in legion
so not many ppl saw it
🤷
fringe marten
I guess that musta' been what it was...we didn't really 'care' about M+ so we just ran it for the angerboda trinkets and stuff like that.
jagged pier
i did it for fun it was fun in thoughs days
but dungeons were better imo as they werent really designed with m+ in mind
fringe marten
Wow, ok I was wrong..got no problem admitting that..but MAN my memory was just totally skewed on that. I guess we just didn't push that hard..I know we did 10's and higher but I think the addition of fort/tyran made people kinda' not want to, so we didn't do it much.
jagged pier
10 was a jump at the start of legion tbh
fringe marten
For sure; a 10 HoV with 'bad' affixes was seriously brutal.
I know we did some tyran HoV's and other dungeons..but HoV stood out because of the? first boss? on tyrannical that guy was a bastard.
had the dodgable bleed..the lightning dragons etc.
jagged pier
boss gauntlet at the end
fringe marten
The dungeon itself was cool though..but the 'worst' boss wasn't even odin or whatever. It was the..? pair of valkyr ? I think it was.
the wolf was the 'easiest'
Did gear increment from the difficulty of the dungeon? We never saw much reason to bother with M+ other than hunting for alt gear or specific trinkets.
jagged pier
i think there was a cap at 15
i actually cant remeber tbh
i just know i ran a lot of upper kara for DHs
fringe marten
What was in the karazhan split dungeon people wanted..?
fringe marten
OH..ok.
There were a couple trinkets in there? OH and that ring..with the clicky damage effect.
yeah there were a couple cool items in there.
Yeah there was something from the ? second half of the dungeon..can't remember which it was..with the Eye boss on the spaceship.. Something from there people wanted a lot; was a trinket or something?
jagged pier
yer there were a few things but cant remeber anymore
fringe marten
Eye of command
That's what it was..our DH wanted it so bad
was a semi cool tank trinket in there but the best tank trinkets were from the raid/s in Legion.
OH! and Aran's Relaxing Ruby... trinket was so strong they nerfed it I think twice?
jagged pier
🤷
fringe marten
You don't remember the ruby? that much I do remember..all our casters wanted it bad. It was way OP for a little while until it got nerfed.
jagged pier
all the casters i know wanted arcanocrsystal tbh
fringe marten
yeah but aran's ruby was the other one.
for a little while anyway.
Wasn't arcanocrystal BiS for literally everyone?
jagged pier
not us
fringe marten
We were teh only class that was like "oh..that worldboss is up..? meh let's go kill it" everyone else ( meaning dps) wanted it hard.
I got one, and didn't use it.
fringe marten
I got it way late into legion though; was killing that guy just to see if I could get an arcano.
Someone in guild got one ? week 1 or 2..and it was forged up; it was absurd for the time he got it.
week 1/2 of that world boss being up..I don't remember what it was, just know it was a mob that made images of itself.
craggy pilot
am i missplaying if i feel i need to use Aegis+Scale to survive Fort week? 🤔
strong forum
Either you or someone else in your group
Cuz aegis+scale is quite a big overkill for us defensively
craggy pilot
Either you or someone else in your group
ah ye makes more sense, and i feel better by thinking im making up for lack of interrupts 😄
fucking DOS just feels impossible in Fort 😦
blazing condor
DOS is pretty ass for us but its mostly just the 1st and 2nd pack that is the worst
rest is pretty easy
like the platform packs can be kind of annoying to deal with
craggy pilot
yea exactly those pulls i worry about
and i have way less kiting and silence for them after abandoning NF 😄
blazing condor
do you pull the first pack and then go right towards hakkar and pull that pack 2nd?
jagged pier
no u dont do that
u do first
go toward hakkar get tormentor
then u go back left
and do arden
and do 2nd pack later
jagged pier
fire guys to the right this week
blazing condor
you can just lust everything there if you got players
jagged pier
u want that power
blazing condor
executioner in mechagon?
jagged pier
nah arden
craggy pilot
oh skipping 2nd pack is big brain
i usually just do 1st pack
and 2nd pack with lust
then fire guy
oblique garnet
You can do first pack with no bl and then bl 2nd pack since it carries it when nobody has cds
blazing condor
yeah ive always found it overkill to lust first pull
same with not going shard first pull in HOA
craggy pilot
yea unless DPS are monkas
blazing condor
you use all CDs + lust
craggy pilot
i tried this, and people had not enough dmg to pull it off
the Shard that is
im assuming it should die before Lust runs out?
oblique garnet
Ideally yes
blazing condor
🤷♂️ yea
craggy pilot
i love it when people have too little DPS to pull off a group kill, and then blame me for dying 😄
why i usually just take it chill and pull smaller
and if we dont time the key, it is DPS fault
jagged pier
tbh in dos i wouldnt say no to running scale and aegis
oblique garnet
Weak
blazing condor
probably the one dg you would do it
oblique garnet
Full dps 
jagged pier
i did yesterday in a 16, but we had nomes frined alt healer and his friend on a alt and mwahi dpsing so it was mega scuff key
craggy pilot
@oblique garnet doing Sac+Phial in DOS Fort 😄
craggy pilot
i did yesterday in a 16, but we had nomes frined alt healer and his friend on a ...
lul
blazing condor
i did yesterday in a 16, but we had nomes frined alt healer and his friend on a ...
oblique garnet
Ye i dont have tank trinkets i always play with ows+phial
craggy pilot
is OWS more deeps than Sac?
jagged pier
but ows is huge defesnse and dps
craggy pilot
🦉
blazing condor
dont think so in raid but idrk
oblique garnet
Idk its 259 and im not doing tazavesh
craggy pilot
i dont have OWS yet 😦
blazing condor
la di da he clears mythic
craggy pilot
only got HC Sylv to 60%
blazing condor
only 10% left
jagged pier
craggy pilot
HC Sylv so much harder with Kyr than NF 😄
jagged pier
no?
craggy pilot
soulshape was GOAT for picking up pools
blazing condor
🕵️
oblique garnet
i did yesterday in a 16, but we had nomes frined alt healer and his friend on a ...
Why do i never get asked for these demon keys?
blazing condor
jagged pier
Why do i never get asked for these demon keys? <:sadge:820202363359854633>
we put it in memehold most of the time but nome filled with his fiends yesterday
craggy pilot
do people ever do Keys with Enha in grp for that big deeps increase?
jagged pier
but im sure there will be more later this week Late
craggy pilot
memehold?
oblique garnet
Oh i was probably sleeping yesterday when you started it
jagged pier
like 8 ST i think
ionic fern
i did yesterday in a 16, but we had nomes frined alt healer and his friend on a ...
Woah, RUDE.
jagged pier
u have a 213 wep mwahi
oblique garnet
like 8 ST i think
Ye i was definitely sleeping
jagged pier
DoS hurts okay
craggy pilot
u have a 213 wep mwahi
ionic fern
I said RUDE..not ..un-true.
blazing condor
ionic fern
blazing condor
id treat u right m'lady
craggy pilot
oh i see Plka running Shard of Alar and Aegis for 26 😮
ionic fern
u do more damage than a lot of pugs ive found in 19s and 20s
That's the saddest statement i've seen in a while.
craggy pilot
u do more damage than a lot of pugs ive found in 19s and 20s
pugs ❤️
blazing condor
🐶
jagged pier
That's the saddest statement i've seen in a while.
venthyr druids my dude
craggy pilot
"uuuh i just uuh i just gotta ramp dude dw dude"
"i only do small deeps because you pull small" 
can someone carry me in CN Mythic for Heart of Alar 226? 😄
blazing condor
no 🙂
blazing condor
just reroll DH and get the fatescribe trinket
craggy pilot
ye ur right
blazing condor
craggy pilot
ill just go my Scale+Aegis combo
fk heart of alar
do Blood DKs run the cheat death talent in M+? 🤔
strong forum
"i only do small deeps because you pull small" <:copium:839076283467431956>
Massive
blazing condor
got super burnt on pushing m+ and now got some motivation to push again
never again
strong forum
I got burned pushing keys in bfa s1
Ever since then I refrained from tryhard pushing
craggy pilot
if i get portals, are they unlocked for all chars?
blazing condor
nop
jagged pier
nope
ionic fern
if i get portals, are they unlocked for all chars?
Hah, imagine Blizzard being normal like that.
craggy pilot
ah lol whats the point then 😄
wide pilot
Does the cd on the portal reset if you finish the dungeon?
vocal geode
yes
craggy pilot
Wait there's a CD on the portal? 😮
vocal geode
8 hours
jagged pier
strong forum
My portal is the shadowlands wormhole
Just as good
And I'm 200% faster than any other Schmuck cuz nobody every moves their fat asses
strong forum
Engineering
It's OP af
It's basically a 15min hearthstone but you can choose which shadowlands zone you wanna go to
craggy pilot
i love gated stuff behind professions 😄
strong forum
It's worth it
strong forum
Engineering is the only profession that's ever gonna give you player power unless they change their shit
craggy pilot
feel weird switching now
strong forum
And it's also an AH in every new city
craggy pilot
didnt they also use to have Shield on belt?
craggy pilot
oh they still have it?
strong forum
I'd much rather take the 2min CD stealth without potion CD
sweet summit
Its does not share potion cd
strong forum
;)
sweet summit
Its still wank tho
craggy pilot
i literally cant make anything of use as BS unless i spend millions of gold leveling up legendaries 🤷
sweet summit
Engi alch gang
craggy pilot
ye i want that
i do that on every new toon
but cant give up my 10+ yrs of Recipes and shit from BS
i have basically every expansion i played in max rank of BS
blazing condor
man
a pug told me it was easier for me to dodge 2nd boss in SOA because "i placed the puddles"
???
so its not his fault he got hit 5 times
craggy pilot
You get all your recipes back I think
but do i get back my progression? 🤔
craggy pilot
so its not his fault he got hit 5 times
big brain lol
strong forum
Not entirely sure on that
But you don't happen to have the recipe to craft the polar plate shoulders
warm condor
is there a rule of thumb to when to take heavy rep over am? or into the fray over ravager?
jagged pier
HR sims 30 dps more damage
on ST
which is in the margin of error
the only advantage its gives is on block fights where u can be lazy and get 100% blocked hits without thinking
where u can get 90% with reprisal alone anyway
and if u take HR u loose CDR on SW and avatar
empty spindle
and ITF over rav in raid
Are you saying take ITF for raid or not ..
warm condor
hes saying take it for raid iiuc
jagged pier
ITF is for raid
warm condor
so are top logs just a bunch of lazy fuqs or?
this is what im referencing
so many people taking HR
jagged pier
right
your looking at mythic plus
still u shouldnt be running HR
u run HR for 2 reasons
that u are doing content where u need that extra 10% blocked hits
and most of them run it because they shot call
so they dont need to think as much
and can focus on interrupts and stuff if u dont do that u can still run AM easily at thoughs levels
craggy pilot
In m+
if im at 90 rage, and SS/TC rdy to cast, whats the play?
should i delay SS and spam Revenge, or cast an IP and then SS/TC, then Revenge when possible?
wide pilot
How big of a loss is it to take HR over AM if your just looking to be lazy for a run or 2
jagged pier
u loose damage
and u get a marginal more tanky
but u loose SW casts
and avatar casts
jagged pier
In m+
if im at 90 rage, and SS/TC rdy to cast, whats the play?
should i delay SS...
u cast IP
its off the gcd
craggy pilot
ye ok, also if on a target where i dont take dmg?
jagged pier
u still do it
craggy pilot
like the last boss of DOS mirror thing
wide pilot
Now ppl who run seismic reverb for their “carry keys” do they run bsc and am still or do they go with booming and bolster
jagged pier
if ima overcap i press and have a ss proc ima press ip its muscle memory at this point
but u can just cast it
craggy pilot
no one runs Seismic Reverb kekw, but ye run BSC always
craggy pilot
ye ok, thought Revenge was more dmg than SS
jagged pier
Now ppl who run seismic reverb for their “carry keys” do they run bsc and am sti...
if u are carrying a key u go full damage
craggy pilot
ye ST, but MT
mental scarab
@jagged pier how Big is the dps loss running HR instead of bolster?
jagged pier
HR is a dps increase and defensive increase over bolster
wide pilot
I did 7.2 overall in mist on a 13 carry with reprisal sort of wonder what it would have been with seismic
mental scarab
Oh
craggy pilot
uh Seismic can go on feet 😄
warm condor
wtf is bsc
craggy pilot
warm condor
oh the talent xd
wide pilot
When did ppl stop using seismic for low keys? Did I miss a stretch?
craggy pilot
people dont do low keys
jagged pier
no one does low keys?
craggy pilot
if youre doing low keys, you have low gear, and then you still run Reprisal
wide pilot
Tell that to the ppl who pay a shit ton of gold to have ppl run them through m0s lol
craggy pilot
the people who pay a shit ton of gold dont play Warr tank lol
but if you carrying people like that you might as well go Arms Venthyr and just spam condemn
strong forum
I did an m0 run for the weekly quest last week
strong forum
I played seismic in SD
Entire group was 200ilvl or less so I basically solod the key
bright flax
If you are doing low keys where your ilvl carries yourself you can even use vitality and be fine. It wont matter at that point
strong forum
Or well, m0
I did like 8.3k dps
Rest was 3k or less
In mists I only did like 7.5k in m0 cuz the group had actual gear
But to answer your question @wide pilot in low keys people still play seismic for big pad yes
warm condor
u mfs on dome shit or am i just bad
strong forum
And defo with BSC cuz 60% of your dmg is gonna be revenge
warm condor
i finish 15s with like 5.3k dps
strong forum
Don't have dps shards :(
warm condor
bsc over bm when you're going rav and am?
craggy pilot
BM is only for ST
strong forum
You don't play BV in keys
warm condor
bruh ive been running bsc, itf, and hr
strong forum
Why
warm condor
idfk at this point
warm condor
this is what i get for looking at people that do 24s and thinking thats the play
jagged pier
PLEASE DO NOT LOOK AT PPL DOING 24s-25s TO SEE WHAT U SHOULD
they are playing a completely different game
strong forum
Phial + aegis for a good time
Phial + sack for damgur
Aegis + matrix for a max comfy time
jagged pier
aegis + scale for falling asleep in keys
warm condor
lmfao
vocal geode
I am a casual tank and use ress trinket from fatescribe and phial because I don't have any other tank trinkets
jagged pier
then dont use fatescribe
use somthing else its better
u do not need tank trinkets to tank
vocal geode
when I think about it, it has only come in handy in torghast of all places
jagged pier
how are u dying in torghast?
strong forum
Take it slow
vocal geode
one time I jumped into a pack at start and got 1 tapped
which shouldnt happen when you pop cds
strong forum
The one thing I learned with 9.1 torghast is, is that just speedrunning and masspulling layer 12 isn't gonna work until like floor 4
The speed component for points can be ignored
jagged pier
^^
vocal geode
yeah, I just take it slow
I only need 1 more flawless for mount now
since I was away for 2 weeks
blazing condor
i wish i could enjoy torghast enough to do flawless runs n shit
strong forum
Ngl
vocal geode
I enjoy it because of adamant vaults and its rewards
vocal geode
gives me pleasure in my pleasure center
strong forum
Same lors
jagged pier
it alright for twice a week
strong forum
If not for the potential tmog from flawless run, I wouldn't care
But... There's tmog to be had
Gimme rare tmog
vocal geode
tmog and mount from achievement
strong forum
Mount I don't care
But gimme rare tmog
I'm literally that gif when it comes to rare mog
strong forum
Yes
vocal geode
it's impossible to find a good t mog for tauren
them horns be in the way for everything
strong forum
And the fact that all your proportions are fucked
Tiny legs, huge feet, tiny chest, huge shoulders
Dumbfuck big head
All fit onto an oversized frame
blazing condor
tauren is messy
vocal geode
I just unmog everything
still havent found anything I like
so tattoos on dark fur looks better
fringe marten
?! Nomeratur what xmog from flawless run you talking about?
jagged pier
the ones that drop from bosses
which im still yet to loot one of
even though flawlessed all 12 since day one of being able too
fringe marten
hmm? I think I have most or all of them? or? none? Because I"m not sure what we mean.
jagged pier
black and red
fringe marten
Yeah I got the achievement the other day for doing all of them flawless, and a mount? I thought?
quick elk
Quick question I hope. When it comes to damage reduction calculation. Using physical damage as an example. Shield wall would mitigate 50% of the damage that gets past my armour and block right?
fringe marten
? ok maybe I haven't gotten any of the black/red?
when you say 'flawless' do you mean 5 star or like..no one dies?
tame jasper
i wish i could enjoy torghast enough to do flawless runs n shit
Flawless are essy, did 269 and252 points this week with my dh-mate.
jagged pier
adamant vault
because the tmog drops from the vault boss
not the end of layer boss
bright flax
when you say 'flawless' do you mean 5 star or like..no one dies?
5 star / 200 points at the end of floor 5
blazing condor
Flawless are essy, did 269 and252 points this week with my dh-mate.
Yeah for sure, i just want to spend as little time inside torghast as necessary
fringe marten
Dragon yes; Mitigation is Did you get hit? (in range/in zone/parry/dodge) If you got hit..how much armor you have, and DR talents? Now that you got hit..did you also have active mitigation up? (shield block) after you filtered all that..did you have an absorb shield up? apply damage to HP bar, or absorb shield~
oh yeah i've done flawless on all the wings and done vaults many times; but I don't think I've looted a black/red mog yet? it's all grey/silver/gold (and the 1k anima backpack mog items)
Only thing I'm not sure of is when things like shield wall/etc apply? is it after "hit connected; you did not parry/dodge' DR applies, now armor, now block, now absorb?
bright flax
I wouldnt overthink the defensives so much
Big damage is coming, need a cd then pop a cd
quick elk
Dragon yes; Mitigation is Did you get hit? (in range/in zone/parry/dodge) If y...
Cool thanks , that enough for me to to work out what might kill me if I don’t shield wall and stuff
fringe marten
Well you're gonna' use it when you 'need' it etc..but I would still like to know the exact order of operations.
Dragon the other important thing is to know weather or not the hit you took IS blockable.
When it comes to things other than 'white hits' shield block is not as intuitive as you'd think it is.
quick elk
With block if i just presume. I Won’t crit block then I should be able to know. The minimum. But this is all good to know. Thanks again all
fringe marten
hmm? For the pinned picture set up for 'arms and prot' isn't the best conduit, empowered or not for arms..Mortal Combo, not crash ramps?
dusky mica
How many black n red mog items in torghast?
Is it just the the 2 ring like back pieces?
fringe marten
WAIT WTF? Where are the "mantle of burnished/crimson blades" from?
Never seen them
Is that a venthyr only back item?
dusky mica
Sounds like it
blazing condor
yeah it is
fringe marten
CMON MANG..damn. The Torghast back pieces clip through vulperra ears, so they don't look good..those blades back pieces would be perfect.
fringe marten
Like..differing abilities are one thing; but xmog? why are you making xmog part of a 'faction' choice you are restricted to?
If you leave the covenant you can't use those mogs right? IE the necrolord shields/armor etc?
blazing condor
i assume covenant mogs dont transfer over accounts
fringe marten
I thought you had to be active IN the covenant to use them
blazing condor
probably
dusky mica
You do
fringe marten
The kyrian back items are SO LAME
They COULD have made cool wings, but instead "let's make floppy cardboard wings? ok!"
craggy pilot
anyone have some quick tips how to handle Pools better in P3 Sylv HC? 🤔
fringe marten
Nielsen If you aren't tanking her..you are cleaning the floor..always.
craggy pilot
yea
blazing condor
im no expert but ive personally had my tank hold her then clean the next platform when the arrows spawn
fringe marten
When you clean, you get to a corner...and YOU call the dispel
craggy pilot
and when going for Wailing, i should bring back pools
blazing condor
then swap on arrows
fringe marten
do NOT let healers willy nilly dispel
dusky mica
Any tank can clean boss does fuck all
fringe marten
second; taunt swap INSTA if you get the arrow ability..and instantly fly to other platform...pop shield wall/whatever...SCRUB the floor for the whole time you're there..let arrow hit you (others will be coming over right about then to drop arrow off too) then fly back..go to a corner CALL the dispel (you'll have like 8/9 stacks)
He has to...HAS to
that's 'tanking' sylvanas..it's not tanking sylvanas..it's cleaning the floor and managing pools for the group.
If they get dispelled rando...soaks go everywhere; rando people get them..you die to banshee wail. If you don't keep the 'launch pad' to the other platforms cleared..people get stacks..die..banshee wail explosions again~ If you don't PRE scrub the next the platform...people get stacks, die..banshee wail explosions happen~
Cleaning the floor is on the two of you.
craggy pilot
how many Banshee Fury do i get pr platform?
dusky mica
Protection Janitor
bright flax
The only real time you stop cleaning if if everything is clean, or you just arrived on platform 3 (fury cast comes right after she lands)
fringe marten
So you are scrubbing if you aren't tanking; YOU call the dispels, and only call the dispels in corners away from players. couple tips for prot specifically...CHARGE back to sylvanas the instant you get your dispel; and you can use spell reflect to mitigate some of the damage. Also don't forget you can dive INTO existing patches in the corner created by other tank..to just 're stack' in the same corner..then charge back out.
(yeah sorry not banshee wail..banshee fury)
bright flax
6 to 8 is very safe
Above that it depends on your gear, cds that you might have or trinkets to help
fringe marten
The only 'tight' timer happens often when you get arrow..jump across/scrub floor 100% (use wall/sr/last stand..whatever) fly back..and you probably need to get your dispel asap because Raze is happening (depending on which tank started)
craggy pilot
ye thats the 2nd set of arrows right?
fringe marten
usually I'm the main tank so I start tanking most bosses in each phase/etc so as the 'first' On-Tank I usually get arrow, jump across..full scrub floor, fly back..get dispel..and I had 9 stacks..if I had 10 or more it's because I dove into existing puddles for dispel.
bright flax
You can watch replay
As soon as bane is coming on p1 im already in the other side to clean
fringe marten
Heroic sylv is now so easy I may run my leaper legendary JUST to make pre scrubbing the platform faster/easier.
bright flax
I clean, wait for wail if needed, jump back and go drop
craggy pilot
looks like Banshees Fury x2
Arrow x1 (3x)
pr platform 🤔
fringe marten
Beacause you fly over..and you move kinda' slow..so scrubbing the platform takes a few seconds, so like..arrow will hit you and you'll still have to pick up like 1 or 2 more puddles.
bright flax
Taunt. Let the other tank dispell, take boss combo and dispell before fury ends
It just flows eventually
fringe marten
The only time sylvanas does anything meaningful (in norm/heroic) is if you don't swap insta on 3 stack, or you run away from her while being the 'on' tank. If you do that..she'll snipe you to death.
craggy pilot
oh wait, only the first platform has 2x Fury
fringe marten
Yeah if you're taunting on the 3 stack (1 application of her ranger arrow/whatever bullshit) it just..works out, and you never get too many stacks..etc.
But yeah..that's the shitty thing; you don't get to dps that boss...you're a janitor full time (while not actively tanking)
bright flax
The only changes to cleaning focus is when you arrive on p3 because of incoming fury. And p4 just hold stacks as much as possible so raid has space. Fury comed early there too
fringe marten
And warrior so gud for p2~
I beat the dh's to her interrupt almost 100% of the time.
bright flax
Yes, with reprisal youll also help the group on the p2 phase of fight
fringe marten
leap, + 70% movement...+2 charges + aoe taunt...we are very well suited for p2 on the chains/ledges.
bright flax
You can challenge shout a whole platform if your dpsers try to rip before you
fringe marten
^^
aoe taunt~
I'm the 'cooldown' for the first 'big' set of adds...that's my rally/aoe taunt..and then we just blast. and the Souljudge is the only mob that matters in any way there..and maybe the summoner
craggy pilot
Bounding Stride vs Crackling Thunder for M+ 🤔
fringe marten
What I LOVE is how on a platform that is 1 giant flat square.. (painsmith) Charge will have you zig zag through the chains players in the middle and all kinda' wonky shit. On a jaggedy ice bridge 1 player width wide or cobbled rocks in mid air..you can charge sylvanas and you'll path to her perfectly 100/100 times. WHAT?!
Nielsen I like both..every time I don't have one I miss it. Crackling makes pulling through/clapping threat and collecting a pull much easier. Bounding makes 'moving' through the dungeon MUCH nicer..like DoS etc. So it can be a per dungeon thing.
If I don't have bounding in DoS i'm sadge..or maybe HoA..but then in HoA is also where I ALSO want crackling.
oblique garnet
CT masterrace
blazing condor
CT is a nice slow if you need to kite a lot
but youre a pwarr
so you shouldnt reaally kite a lot
fringe marten
CT?
blazing condor
personally i prefer BS
fringe marten
OH crackling thunder?
blazing condor
yep
fringe marten
Yeah I like both like I said.. Plka runs crackling thunder in his keys but he's so concerned with doing damage/getting the pull together..and he has a fairly static team so slows/kiting is handled by other peoples slows (mostly).
When I don't have crackling is when often 1 mob will peel off the edge of a pack that I'm pulling 'through' to get something else.. and when I don't have bounding I just feel 'slow' and that leap is on a 3 hour cooldown.
It's wild how big of a difference 30 sec to 45 sec 'feels' (sure it's a 33% reduction..or a 50% increase in cooldown whichever way you wanna look at it)
But it feels worse than that.
strong forum
Same
I can't play without bounding
Makes me feel dead inside with the 45sec CD and without the speed increase
craggy pilot
hmm, is TOP a bad dmg dung?
blazing condor
not a lot of big packs
biggest pack you'll have is either the double pulls in gorechop wing
jagged pier
u can do higher in there tho
blazing condor
or the ghosts
craggy pilot
wait if i dont dps on ghosts, does that count as inactive time, decreasing my dps? 🤔
but man 16 TOP feels easy compared to DOS 16
blazing condor
top on fort isnt really that hard most of the time
the captain-pack in Xav wing can slap
and that wing is generally slow
but imo its a tougher tyrann dg
craggy pilot
is it possible to skip the Conquest orb guy in TOP?
blazing condor
the who
blazing condor
if you can skip soggodon? :0
craggy pilot
ye? why not?
blazing condor
just tryna understand what you meant
yeah you can skip him for sure
shouldnt be too taxing
but reaping scythe might truck a bit more even with SR
craggy pilot
just not sure if the guy pulls him
blazing condor
nah the tormentors dont really pull unless you pull them
blazing condor
Yeah but iirc the scythe is both physical and magic damage, like Hakkar. But maybe i'm wrong
blazing condor
but i dont remember if you deflect everything even if it's like that - or if you deflect only the magic
im washed up with my m+ knowledge
but yes its totally fine to skip
you can p much skip soggodon and ice guy on p much every dg
realistically
but not exactly worth
craggy pilot
fucking just realized the thing i upgraded to lvl 3 in my Kyr sanctum is the Command Table and not the Transport Network
blazing condor
craggy pilot
Sogodden is Stone Ward tho holy shit
thats rly fking good
ice guy is Pendend of Martyr, fucking shit power
blazing condor
the only powers that really matter are fire and executioner
cus that's where the big dam is
blazing condor
Yeah nothing id do with pugs
but with a roar it's fine
only really a problem with the grasp
craggy pilot
does Crumbling Bulwark give us more deeps than Champions Brand?
blazing condor
nah probably not
craggy pilot
5% vers vs 210 Mastery/Crit
just thinking since Mastery/Crit is not good for us, but Vers is usually higher
so 5% is big
craggy pilot
what should i spend valor on? 🤔 neck or ring?
jagged pier
save it