And to go back to stat weights, they themselves serve no purpose anymore because they're generated based on your currently equipped gear through a sim, so you have to sim every single item again anyway cuz your stats are ever changing
#protection
strong forum
So youre best off ignoring stat weights, and always just sim top gear if at all simming as tank is rather pointless aswell since you can just follow the prio list I mentioned and you'll be perfectly okay as our dmg output very minorly fluctuates with secondary stats
And with that I go to 
Wall of text over
tribal pagoda
I agree, that there are no stat-caps or -weights anymore... but is there any amount of haste that can be considered "too much" in terms of survivability (not simable)? Like "If you get above 25% haste without Into the Fray / Foodbuff, then change enchants to vers" or whatever? 😄
dusky mica
vers from a defensive standpoint, and in terms of item points, is very expensive
80pts for 1% damage reduction
so a +16 gem/enchant is spit in a bucket territory
pastel trellis
I agree, that there are no stat-caps or -weights anymore... but is there any amo...
I think there is one. I „cap“ at20% haste (no fray but with food buff) and this is completely fine. I have 20% versa, over 30% mastery and just 15% crit. You‘ll still do dps in myth+ and raids, but you‘ll have a lot more survivability with more versa.
cinder nova
Didn't time it just because everything took forever to kill.
If the hunter I run with was there she'd be bursting like 50K
prisma bear
another bad thing about vers is that its diminished so hard on crit blocks or even just normal blocks
its already expensive stat-per-stat and then you get 40% and 80% diminish on those blocks
but of course outperforms everything else on magic and bleeds
cinder nova
Vers is pretty nice in HOA
And... well, that's about it from what I can tell.
GL kiting Fort Wicked Bolt
cinder nova
Wicked bolt is so toxic on fort weeks
mighty valley
Raging Fort was a hell of a week
There's just a lot of emphasis placed on not just kicks, but kicking the things that matter in SL overall
hazy grotto
I wish I tanked enough to know and pull off the cool spell reflect tricks
dusky mica
wait till you can do the cool 'walk out of mobs melee range' tricks, next level shit
cinder nova
wut
hazy grotto
holy shit, like, if they cant hit you cause you're too far away?
dusky mica
immune everything!
sweet summit
Love daddy biz
cinder nova
I'd really like it if they just told us what we can block/reflect instead of playing this stupid game with them.
I appreciate there's a novelty in discovery, but it's pretty obnoxious that we're the only tanks that have to be hyper aware of it, plus our class' iconic utility is similarly left up to us
shut summit
agreed
mighty valley
Where would you put it? Little icon on the cast bar or something?
brave jetty
Wicked Bolts kicked my ass yesterday. What was more annoying was seeing two melee with interrupts up the entire time during the worst pull for those in the entire dungeon.
gaunt dawn
Dw brewmaster has to figure out what CASTS they can dodge
elder coral
How do I get a better healing parse in raid on prot war?
cinder nova
Where would you put it? Little icon on the cast bar or something?
In the dungeon journal for boss mechs
Either an icon or a line that states it's blockable/reflectable
Man. I am tired of not timing keys because DPS just kill shit slow
This is like the third key it's happened.
Got an overall of ~7.1K from the DPS
Oh, wait - the ACTUAL highest overall was 6.6K
followed by another 6.6K and a 6K in dead last
inner trail
Did you try only inviting people with good parses
bright flax
Is there a spreadsheet on wft for classes/specs you know about?
rocky kraken
is halls the only dung you take the broken mirror power?
obtuse monolith
Is there a spreadsheet on wft for classes/specs you know about?
There was one circulating at start of patch. Dunno if current. Prot war high due to devastator scaling
cinder nova
I just got told that kicking is a DPS loss
and that's why the shaman didn't shear the goliath
I'm uh
Gonna just..
Log off before I have a stroke
flat coral
Technically true. The goliath does less DPS. 😛
chrome falcon
Hey, so
The tooltip for Kevin's Oozeling says it lasts 40 seconds
But I'm... definitely getting an 80 second duration buff when I pop it
And I'm almost certain it wasn't that way last time I checked it, so I'm really not sure what's going on, but this is our secret
No-one tell blizz
patent osprey
is halls the only dung you take the broken mirror power?
u only take it in tyran else u skip soggo
but broken mirror is good in Plaguefall too
chrome falcon
pretty nice in DoS too
patent osprey
I also take it in dos recently
chrome falcon
lets you cover if your group fucks up on ardenweald boss
and you can't reflect every debuff on muehzala
patent osprey
it's good on all bosses
chrome falcon
yep
trim bay
Hey guys, with executioner Varruth sometimes the Sever debuff isnt applied when he casts it. is that due to it being parried?
fervent summit
patent osprey
Hey guys, with executioner Varruth sometimes the Sever debuff isnt applied when ...
yes parried
vapid berry
anyone still running splintered heart? xd
trim bay
yes parried
thanks
dense gate
anyone still running splintered heart? xd
I was for fort raging week, got a lot of use out of it lol
obtuse prism
I have a stupid question - but nevertheless - can necrolord be chosen as a defensive option too? It has quite a few shields and the str buffs improve our armor through vanguard … or is this a completely pointless way of thinking?
vapid berry
you can play any covenant you want as prot tbh they all have defensive bonuses to prot but nothing is make or break
obtuse prism
There is one thing stuck in my head - that you see in guides - that the banner from necro is really a buff to your dps players not you
warped moth
necro banner also doesnt scale at all. It's flat mastery across all ilvls, unlike the other cov abilities that will scale with your pri stat
lofty widget
one thing to keep in mind with banner is that it's very hard to reliably buff the targets you want
obtuse prism
But combine the banner with the conduit that buffs primary stat by 10% and then you suddenly have a lot1 of str? Or is it not enough to compare to nf/ky
warped moth
it's a whole package u need to consider, in the end choose what you feel most comfortable with imo. I prefer Kyr cos of big aoe burst + bleed removal/dispel with phial
obtuse prism
I did ky in s1, and coming back i want to explore - just dont want to shoot myself in the foot
But i might just try necro, see how it plays
Ty fellas :)
worthy karma
I'm a num nutz pushing 18-19s right now. I stay AM until I do 20s right? or maybe on tyran weeks because of the st dmg?
warped moth
around that level yeah staying AM should be fine. Even when you reach 20+ it feels like a per dungeon basis imo. Some will have more Phy dmg that more block feels better, others feel like having more consistent Walls is better
nocturne sage
What % blocked are yall aiming for in raid? I know mine is low for sure
placid wren
Just a quick yes/no question, does Spell Reflect reduce the group soak dmg from Guardian's Obliterate?
[say the magic dmg hit is 100k and i soak it with 4 other people (20k each), if i SR does it get reduced before the split? 80k/5=16k each or do i take 16k and everyone else 20k?(ASSUMING 0 VERSA/AVOIDANCE)]
cinder nova
I mean
Pretty sure it's only you.
Not the entire strike.
It checks target count, distributes damage, and then DR begins to affect what's affecting you only.
crystal hill
i tanked a 15 mists for some pals on my 202 pwar and the only thing i hard died on was the first pull
gamin
ive learned that double pulling that (at least with no gear) is scary because even just the villager pack is scary
inland raft
Ya thats lust and cds pull on fort
Can just skip it
Its easy with rogue, tight but doable with pots
limpid kite
i tanked a 15 mists for some pals on my 202 pwar and the only thing i hard died ...
At the first pack wait the caster's cast to go off then press spell reflect, if u charged to the caster it will reflect the 2 melee mob debuff
crystal hill
o that sounds lit ty i'll try to remember for next time
fringe marten
LOL was hours ago but yeah...you can parry varruth's bleed dot on the tank..and it's feels beasty when you do. It's why I really like crit in M+
If you're pushing bleeding edge keys you just 'have' to have a chunk of versa..but it's due to spells/dots/boss BS. Parry is stronk in keys.
Bees..I'd rather reflect the melee ability (sever soul? or something like that) it's basically an instant cast and it's the thing that chunks you in that pack..not the kickable spells.
crystal hill
oh that's what i thought zold meant
fringe marten
So I charge in, like 1 or so sec into pull I hit SR and you'll get at least 1 of the sever souls if not both sync'd
after collecting the jumpy Aholes~
Lemme look it up quick..
crystal hill
spreadsheet says soul split is reflectable yea
fringe marten
Yeah Soul Split
So the casters Harvest essence is what the critical kick is; Spirit bolt is nasty but you can stun/etc intim shout them/etc Harvest is what you gotta' kick, and Soul Split is what you WANT to reflect.
and their 'hand of thros' is why they become angry when they get low in HP.
But I think split soul is full reflectable so you'll do damage with it as well; but it's what makes those couple pulls with those mobs nasty. The reason the 'first' pull is bad is the combination of those on you; and the shadowclaws leaping all over wrecking other people, so the healer gets stressed.
But there's no cast bar for Split Soul so you just engage them, wait like literally 1 or 2 seconds..then hit SR, then just hit SR on CD basically to catch a cast of it.
'is anyone still using splintered heart' lol... EVERYONE who pushes nasty keys does.
rocky kraken
u only take it in tyran else u skip soggo
thank you
median tulip
But I think split soul is full reflectable so you'll do damage with it as well; ...
If you Charge > Shockwave > Spell Reflect then you should line up their Split Souls to multi-reflect
fringe marten
true, but I like to hold shockwave for a couple seconds later on those packs to stop more casts.
wooden sparrow
Does Codex of the First Technique reduce damage taken by 10% while it is active or only deal damage with the reflect?
wooden sparrow
Thank you
fringe marten
You take X damage from Y source; magic, DoT, melee..whatever during it's duration, and 10% of it is reflected to caster and 'reduced' to you.
It's why in raids, where the numbers on mechanics are 'big' and mob hits are 'big' and on you constantly (a boss DoT mechanic/etc) it can be quite good. and in M+ it has to be up at the right time during a pull and you have to EAT the damage instead of interrupt/kite..to see it's value. in keys you're generally trying to shut that damage OFF, with kicks and interrupts...hence not so good in keys.
When I didn't have better trinkets I was using it during early heroic progress, and it was a good damage source..now that I'm just taking less damage, we're phasing bosses faster etc..it does less. And I have things like ticking sack/phial/etc. But for a 'stamina' trinket it is pretty solid..I think you'd see it talked about a LOT more if it had mainstat.
wooden sparrow
Ah okay. I'm running Aegis from The Nine and was using codex. Don't really have great option. Mostly other on uses, have a 233 old warrior's soul maybe I will use instead of codex
fringe marten
the better 'damage' combo of the 2..is codex/OWS the better 'defense' is aegis/codex.
wooden sparrow
I really like Aegis in big pulls
fringe marten
Well in keys sure, for running keys I'd do aegis/ows. I just picked up mythic aegis this week, and have heroic ows..I'm using that combo in keys atm.
wooden sparrow
Oh yeah sorry I didn't specify in keys. I will try out ows with aegis
fringe marten
Ok first of all... Stop cooking so much Wagyu on your channel and share with the rest of us. I get that dry ageing is cool...but ...just relax with that man.
Second of all...WTF are you talking about?
crystal hill
also momentum prot warrior is v fun
fringe marten
..? huh?
crystal hill
reprisal
fringe marten
OH lol
crystal hill
it's kind of like the momentum dh of tanking
i haven't tanked before this char, havoc is my main :P
fringe marten
I wouldn't know; I'd never play a fairy who tanks...I mean ...edgy 'elf'
I play a SERIOUS manly Vulperra~
crystal hill
momentum havoc gets a damage buff from pressing its dash
and resources from backflipping
fringe marten
Warriors get resources from being HIT, and having SWAGGED OUT FACIAL HAIR..
like MAD mustache gains..
The more manly you are, the more damages you block with your beard.
What's sad is that for painsmith I'm running the triple leap legendary..just to make things easier... and if I use it just randomly questing/outside whatever it is THE most fun leggo and just the best QOL one we have.. yet it does nothing offensively or defensively.. 😦 Even if we could equip like..4 legendaries..NONE Of them would be Leaper 😦
crystal hill
yes... moustaches...
fringe marten
It's a bit freeform...but.. even C'thulu mustache is ok.
You dig the pvp legion relic appearance? I Never quite liked it.
crystal hill
its got pinky purple bits so it sort of matches the rest
i dont have a ton of plate appearances/shields atm
fringe marten
As far as cool appearances Mists of Pandaria raids and pvp gear has like half of the best XMOG in the game. You aren't actually even a warrior until you get the mythic Blackrock foundry set. ..and then both castle nathria and sanctum have some legit lookin' stuff. Good shields are spread fairly thin throughout the game and Beefymans 1handies are also kinda' sparse.
I prefer maces/hammers..but of course xmog is personal taste.
OH and mythic uhh..? Tomb of Sargeras set is purty legit~ except the belt is eh? and you prob have to swap that out...it's ok but eh.
crystal hill
there's like a door shield from bfa that i kinda want
fringe marten
From Ulduar? or? whatever it was called
I wanted the ..? LFR or normal? Version to match up with my mythic nathria set..the yellow tint matched the gold trim perfectly.
crystal hill
motherlode shield
fringe marten
Don't listen to this mans...modern M+ shields look like STANK dookie.
blazing condor
Thats the one i was talkin bout
crystal hill
oh it's also motherlode
fringe marten
If you like that color palette and 'size' check out uhh? Ogre Dinner Plate
crystal hill
ah i don't like shields that are held like parallel to the ground like that
fringe marten
UMM then there's a new shield you'd like..it's a vertical? Iron spikey maiden looking shield.
fringe marten
The shield from challenge modes that matched the WoD Mythic Blackrock Foundry set..was vertical; which made me hate it. If it was horizontal that full set (with the mythic soldiers sabre) would be uncontested GOAT warrior mog. (still kinda' is)
vertical shields huh..ugh..but let's take a look.
crystal hill
lol
doesn't have to be oblong vertical i don't mind like bucklers or less long horizontal ones
fringe marten
Yeah; ULdir (BFA raid) from final boss.. Vertical tower shield..looks decent. Horde PVP /battleground? shield 'Honorable Combatant's Shield"
crystal hill
oh that uldir one is lit
fringe marten
yeah..if you like vertical shields it's solid.
crystal hill
lol
fringe marten
the yellow one matched my mythic nathria suit perfect..and oddly so did the ? ..? normal? or whatever...Dragonsoul helmet.
You wouldn't think it would, but somehow the yellow tint/dark colors on that helmet matched the nathria suit.
'Colossal Dragonplate Helm" + mythic nathria suit + ? normal mode? Uldir ghunn shield.
I went to solo that uldir raid; was an insane slog and on some bosses impossible.
I still need to do mythic Battle for Dazar'alor for the triceratops shoulders. (seperate shoulder mog allstar on that one)
If you like bucklers; Aegis of Salvation kyrian 'xmog' dropped from the 'elites' you can spawn from one of the added places you can research. (same duo that drops the mount)
Blackrock Bullwark ..OG shield mog still ok.
Arrowbreaker Greatshield ? I think WoD dungeons??? It's like a edgier version of that jailcell door shield.
crystal hill
oh yea the arrowbreaker one is nice
fringe marten
stop it..we all have that one S
and yeah I use it because I haven't gotten that yellow Ghunn shield yet.
cinder nova
Doesn't make it not the best shield.
fringe marten
btw S. did you get your parse on Remnant being first tank/bomb boy?
crystal hill
what shield is that, the best one?
cinder nova
Legion Tower shield.
fringe marten
It's from the legion mage tower; you can't get it any more.
I like it; but the color scheme doesn't 'match' a lot of suits.
Also who uses the LIMP DICK flail along with it? breh ...seperate mog that.
cinder nova
Imagine not using the best weapon along with the best shield.
fringe marten
...not even close..that flail looks and animates awful.
Blackhorns Mighty Bulwark if you like buckler'ish shields with a vertical slant? not bad.
crystal hill
man im sad about not being able to get mage tower appearances
fringe marten
Akmin-Kurai, Dominion's Shield has always been an excellent shield albeit slightly small'ish but I have it in some of my sets.
crystal hill
id play bear just to be swole bear
fringe marten
Bees; that's why he uses it.. edge lordy FOMO crap.
I was early in the curve for warriors in the world to get it; I remember sense got it first and I got it a week or 2 later..but I did not like how it looked on dwarf so I insta mogged over it.
The better looking 'set' was the first hidden mace/shield combo the shield is fiery, and huge...2 important warrior traits.
Akmin-Kurai is still one of the best looking shields honestly...I wish it was bigger.
proper pecan
Imagine not using the best weapon along with the best shield.
Amen
fringe marten
Also check out Wisdom's Hold, and Northern Barrier...if you like buckler'ish shields.
Salvaged Mekacycle Shielding (animated/steampunk/vertical/clockwork style)
WTF DUDE...jaina's saber from normal mode Battle for Dazar'alor would also match my suit ..
The normal mode uldir sword/shield combo is still flawless match though..I gotta' do it..
Gonna' see if I can get anyone to join a normal mode Uldir run right now~ LOL
cinder nova
Bees; that's why he uses it.. edge lordy FOMO crap.
I mean, sorta, but also because I'm proud of it and I like how it looks. It's cool as shit, plus almost nothing pairs well with male worgen.
And it actually fits like a shoe-in with my current mog.
cinder nova
I feel like if you play a small race mog is irrelevant after a point.
fringe marten
As Vulperra you cannot wear a helm..ever EVER. You LITERALLY look like a bobble head.
fringe marten
Yeah but on fire dwarf, my actual face was cool...and their shoulder and belt scaling is above 0 so they look STOUT
dude...NO SHOT
NO SHOT
cinder nova
Helms on male worgen look like a bad cosplay
fringe marten
If I put on a SoD helmet..I look like an ACTUAL bobble head
That's not an exaggeration.
cinder nova
I mean, so do gnomes, though. I feel like that's part of their aesthetic.
fringe marten
I've always been a warrior..since vanilla. I've been a tauren, then gnome..then dwarf, then dark iron dwarf, then we went horde, I was tauren again for 3 days (lockout on faction/race change) did vulperra questline..went vulperra and have been sad since.
Gnome was ACTUALLY better than vulperra because you at least had some SHOE game.
They took away my my shoe game, shoulder game, Helm / mask game... Xmog is dead?!
Dwarf shoe game is F tier, you have to use small form boots or you look like you're in clown-rain slickers.
Anyway..starting normal Uldir raid let's see how this goes.
oh man 2 people joined! lol..normal uldir here we go
worthy karma
Lol use the new raids feet they cover the Vulpera toes pretty nicely
limpid kite
As Vulperra you cannot wear a helm..ever EVER. You LITERALLY look like a bobble...
U can wear hats that dont cover your face
Example the gloria
blazing condor
Do cleave-abilities like revenj or tc proc phial on all targets?
blazing condor
Yes dj
:)*
But eventually i would spread phial on all targets? As in i dont need to focus-change
fringe marten
'on your current target' you'd have to tab around
but then you wouldn't stack it
And yes I know there's a few crowns and such vulperra can use; I use the eyeglasses.
oblique garnet
Better idea. Play an Orc .
wrong female belf
crystal hill
hey im playing that!
strong forum
'on your current target' you'd have to tab around
Na you don't have to tab around
It automatically applies to whatever you're hitting
strong forum
But eventually i would spread phial on all targets? As in i dont need to focus-c...
Yes
Just play like normal, you can test on the aoe dummies in your sanctum if you wanna check up on that
You'll just stack away at whatever you're hitting, doesn't matter what you're targeting
ionic fern
wrong female belf
I'll meet you half way: Female Orc
brittle owl
that's a really bad way of spelling male tauren
oblique garnet
I'll meet you half way: Female Orc
thats like somehow even worse
strong forum
Fem Orc > male orc
But then you have a whole lot of other races that are better than orc to begin with
sweet summit
Fem orc owns
dry spear
male BE. we all know
i would play tauren if i would maintank. just because to have a better visual on me :D
jagged pier
BE is based tauren is based play a good race with door animations like panda or vulpera
Or female orc
jagged pier
Thats also why u dont play taruen male cant do through doors
Ill allow female tauren though i actually dont mind them
strong forum
ionic fern
BE is based tauren is based play a good race with door animations like panda or ...
Why are you so weird.
"Panda or Vulpera".
😦
jagged pier
They have good animations
fringe marten
Uh also...best horde tank~
jagged pier
No cares about racials
brittle owl
fucking furry
ionic fern
Just play Goblin/Gnome so you don't see the animations.
brittle owl
burn
jagged pier
Well i dont
ionic fern
HPS is for healers, go home.
jagged pier
Just play Goblin/Gnome so you don't see the animations.
Ew
fringe marten
Oh no? how about having the ability to teleport to korthia (or whatever outside spot you make your camp) how about having is it 4? or 8? more bag slots in your primary backpack..
Vulperra racials dominate son~
fringe marten
OH..so you've never zoned into korthia..got it.
ionic fern
Okay, great - so we agree that Vulpera/Panda are lame and we should all play Orc/BE/Tauren.
fringe marten
Or have a bag full of Shards/Trinkets/legendaries.
jagged pier
ionic fern
😂
ionic fern
jagged pier
fringe marten
and to jakeys point; yeah vulperra animate very nicely..basically you're playing Ratchet from Ratchet and Clank.
Floppy ears and flippy jumps included..
the sad thing is how bad the vulpera 'active use' racial is..back of tricks? holy cow it's trash.
subtle tulip
Have you guys heard about our life and savior iron dorfs?
fringe marten
DARK iron dwarves..
and yes; I used to be one. 😦
But Unfortunately it's a MULTIplayer game..
There aren't multiple players on alliance side 😦
sweet summit
Abandon factions in 9.2 
tribal pagoda
Thats come heavy
ionic fern
I mean..they might as well at this point..the faction balance is so skewed and there's pretty much no way of fixing it.
They are just sticking to the Warcraft story of "Horde vs Alliance" when the reality is that it has been more like "Horde&Alliance vs w/e big threat there is".
subtle tulip
Just join a Alliance server?
fringe marten
HAH HAH..lol
Like a few days/week ago as a joke I asked "what happened to Pilav" he's playing FF14 lol.
empty spindle
The identity of world of Warcraft is embedded in the fact that it’s alliance vs horde
You lose the core root of what makes the game unique
ionic fern
The identity of world of Warcraft is embedded in the fact that it’s alliance vs ...
Yes, but there is no "Alliance vs Horde" anymore.
empty spindle
For now
ionic fern
The horrible story writing/repeating is a whole other topic.
empty spindle
Agreed
ionic fern
I get that the basis of WoW is Horde vs Alliance..but they are not doing anything with it.
empty spindle
The game loses what authenticity it has left if you rip down the faction barrier.
ionic fern
It's now just a big Avengers movie where un-likely of companions get together to defeat a big bad.
ionic fern
Jeah.
fringe marten
Dude after we all 'grouped up' to take on the LITERAL biggest badguy we've known of? We then went "oh don't forget we hate each other..'cause your leaders are meanies!" So we had a battle..for azeroth.. and during battle for azeroth we GROUPED UP to fight an old god..again.. but yet we just can't ? ACTUALLY group up?
empty spindle
As much as we would love to see thrall and friends all team up
empty spindle
@sweet summit NO
fringe marten
The 'identity' of horde vs alliance is so SO long forgotten and useless even in the lore. It's not even 'the horde' it's like JUST sylvanas, or JUST garrosh but everyone else is cool~ trying to keep up the barrier for lore/story reasons is SO pointless.
sweet summit
Oh
empty spindle
GO PLAY GOBLIN
ionic fern
Watch them make a story line of:
Thrall fell in love with a female Dwarf and now because Thrall is the OG you can be a Horde Dwarf.
empty spindle
Honestly if they are to have the factions one - it would be such a kick in the balls the moment Alliance get better facials….
Racials**
fringe marten
Not even trying to hate on WoW; but it's just a fact it's losing a TON of it's more casual (and largest) player base to people jumping on the hype train that is FF14. If ever there's a time to just let the players ALL play together; it's now.
sweet summit
Cross realm mythic would come a lot faster too without current factions
Like just top 200 guilds
Or something
Instead of waiting for a faction with 70 guilds to get 100
empty spindle
Zzzzz
fringe marten
That was another decision by Ian he stated something along the lines of mythic raiding is the last bastion of server identity/pride so..he doesn't want to allow cross realm mythic until the HoF is filled. ...why? LOL no one cares about the 'server' they only care about the top couple guilds racing for first mythic clear.
ionic fern
People are min-maxing the hell out of this huh.
I never swap anything around.
👀
What do you have available tho?
empty spindle
I have
Pretty much everything that we basically use as meta
Besides defence matrix
ionic fern
Aight.
Phial + Aegis yw.
ionic fern
1)Aegis > Scale in most situations.
2)Double On-use is horrible to play.
3)You don't really need 2 absorb(defensive) trinkets in most situations
ionic fern
Minimum Viable Product? Rude.
devout pewter
what are some good trinkets for Warrior protection for plus?
ionic fern
what are some good trinkets for Warrior protection for plus?
Aegis
Scale
Old Warriors Soul
Phial
Anima emitter
devout pewter
Ty
empty spindle
I meant most Vicious potato but okay
ionic fern
Ah, okay - that's fine then.
ionic fern
You said you don't have matrix. 👀
Also - Phial does a considerable amount of damage.
If i went more of a turtle setup i would probably use Aegis + Matrix.
Phial is generally the more offensive option and if you want a solid middle ground as your second trinket - Old Warriors Soul is up there as well.
So, all in all:
Aegis + Matrix if you want more of a "defensive" setup - tho Matrix also provides DPS.
Aegis + Old Warrior as an alternative to the above setup.
Aegis + Phial for a more offensive setup.
dry spear
i run titanic and decanter for my trinket because luck :(
empty spindle
@ionic fern thank you sir
ionic fern
i run titanic and decanter for my trinket because luck :(
I got a 252 Scale and a 203 Anima Field Emitter so it's fine. 😂
upper nest
Do we run Pelagos or Mikanikos for high keys?
craggy pilot
Mikanikos
upper nest
What about AM vs Heavy Repercussions?
craggy pilot
its a choice, but 90% of the time its AM
upper nest
Thank you 😄
craggy pilot
and when you say high keys, what do you mean anyway? 😄
jagged pier
+5
strong forum
Atleast 7 man come on
craggy pilot
8 very high
never heard anyone using Pelagos in Keys, so it must be some MONKAS high keys
strong forum
The gap between mikan and pelagos is too big now
modern brook
Friendship with pelagos is over
ionic fern
Run w/e - we all know that if you're going to deplete a key it's because some DPS'er forgot what Interrupt is, not because of your soulbind.
upper nest
and when you say high keys, what do you mean anyway? 😄
23s ish
If that's high enough 😄
ionic fern
If that's high enough 😄
Sorry, we only advise people who do 24s. 😦
upper nest
ionic fern
Jokes aside - the advise given still stands.
Mika into AM/HR depending on your comfort/needs.
upper nest
AM is more towards magic damage focused dungeons?
ionic fern
I think it's easier to treat it like this:
AM=more offensive option
HR=the more "turtle" setup - also gains value when running with things like Elemental Shaman due to EQ.
upper nest
Fair enough, thanks for the tip 😛
craggy pilot
i just say what Mwahi told 100s of times 😄
crystal hill
is the HR synergy with ele just because you can keep the mobs in one place for longer?
sweet summit
Yes
ionic fern
I just do the 2 renown per week from Korthia Jailer quest and the "Collect 1k Anima".
😂
craggy pilot
Korthia Jailer Quest is boring as hell
craggy pilot
ye ill just spam some Torghast 😄
what lvls give Renown? all of them?
or is some lvl better than others?
tired ice
I love how collecting "treasures" aka mushrooms somehow stops the jailer
shakes fist "Curse you, Maw Walker! That mushroom was integral to my grand plan!"
empty spindle
What enchant do you guys run on your weapons ???
ionic fern
What enchant do you guys run on your weapons ???
Celestial.
ionic fern
I love how collecting "treasures" aka mushrooms somehow stops the jailer
The man's gotta eat.
tired ice
what lvls give Renown? all of them?
Layer 9 seems to be generally agreed upon to be the best
But I can't tell you why
wide pilot
what you guys think about the 239 haste/mastery ring replacing a 252 haste/vers or 252 vers/crit ring......the 239 has 212 haste on it. which is 47 more haste than the haste/vers ring. it would give me just over 4% haste if i replaced it with the ver/crit ring
wide pilot
anything is viable when doing below 10 lol
fringe marten
If you're tanking; I do up to like 17'ish (depends on affixes/etc) with Seismic reverb boots...if you're an actual DPS apparently kyrian/arms in keys is giga burst with Elysian might.
ionic fern
I mean..you can pretty safely do a lot higher keys with it.
I don't go higher than +5 with Seismic cause i suck at Prot.
fringe marten
...he lyin'..
jagged pier
I havent seen mwahi play prot this patch
ionic fern
^
crystal hill
mwahi i tanked a completion 15 with my friends earlier if i can do it you can too!!!
jagged pier
...he lyin'..
Look our theory crafter doesnt need to be able to play the class just know the theory and thats FACTS
fringe marten
The idea that something like Reprisal gives you this 'huge' survivability boost..it doesn't..it helps noticably yes, adding a few seconds more of shield block to fill what might be gaps, or make your 'engaging' shield block last longer by adding 3 seconds. But it's not like you can't block with seismic/elysian might. You just don't have those gap fillers/less rage.
My statement was to say that I'm sure mwahi could do much more than a 5 with seismic boots on..even if he isn't playing prot much.
as in 'he's lying that he can't go higher than a 5' he could..he just probably isn't bothering to do it. Even if he sucks at prot 🙂
Though I do find myself when running seismic..intervening to someone and then thinking "ohhh..yeah that's not giving me anything.." LOL
ionic fern
Ah man, i just noticed..this isn't the FFXIV Warrior Discord..damn.
fringe marten
LOL have you jumped on the FF train too? It's honestly a very good game, I played a bard up to current cap as their latest expac was launching; I wanted to be a support'y class since my coworker played a tank. Then WHEN the new (current) expac came out..they removed the tank external bard had, and some of it's other utility..and it became a streamlined DPS class with like..mana regen buff. ?!?! LEL
ionic fern
I've been thinking about it for a while and i played some ages ago on the "trial" account but i have not had the time to go full in on it yet.
fringe marten
All the things you hear are true; really cool story (some expacs better than others, the vanilla game is boring) really epic fights..like..REALLY EPIC dungeon bosses/raid (trial) bosses etc... visually leaps ahead of WoW. The combat feels clunky/slow until you hit the current cap and get off GCD combo finishers/abilities..the movement isn't as crisp as WoW...it feels floatier~
ionic fern
I stopped caring about any games stories like 5 years ago.
I'm all about the Skip Scene button.
fringe marten
I am too..until some of the stuff started getting interesting and I stopped skipping; and discovered the current expac (shadowbringers) has the best villain of any game I've probably ever played.
ionic fern
strong forum
I'm all about the *Skip Scene* button.
Same
I'm only interested in gameplay these days
fringe marten
If it's any indication all the WoW streamers who jumped onto FF14 say the same thing..they got to the end of stormblood (previous expac) and got into shadowbringers and instantly fell in love with it's villain.
fringe marten
And if it's gameplay you want..you can watch Limit Max and his guild getting their asses handed to them by the middling difficulty content of the game... movement/personal responsibility wise the high end 'raids' (trials..savage/ultimate) of FF14 absolutely trumps WoW.
You don't have to take my word for it; any of the world first raiders who've done ultimate trials in FF14 have all agreed on that conclusion; they thought FF14 was an easier 'weeby' game and discovered it was more challenging than anything WoW had.
craggy pilot
if just FF14 had some normal graphics, and less anime overload
fringe marten
The thing that pulled me away was simply that..I just had my 1 coworker who played FF14 and I had my guild who I'd known for over 5 years in WoW so I decided I'd come back to wow to play shadow lands.
strong forum
I'm not big on raiding so i don't care too much
ionic fern
I'll just continue my Dishonored and Metro adventures.
strong forum
For me? Its
fringe marten
I aggressively dislike anime..I don't like it's fanbase.... I STILL found a lot of really impressive looking cool stuff in FF14.
strong forum
Weebs are hot
fringe marten
Metro is gorgeous..for a long time metro held the 'best looking pc game' trophy for me.
craggy pilot
like wtf is this shit 😄
fringe marten
Yeah but there's giant dragons and mechs you can ride too. FF14 has more wildly varied mounts than WoW.
strong forum
Correction, he has bunny ears by nature
fringe marten
..you're gonna' see a lot of that.. There's a WHOLE lotta' cat girl love, bunny ears... dude on my bard I ended up using a chicken suit..because ? It was funny.
strong forum
like wtf is this shit 😄
It's funny, that's why
craggy pilot
Correction, he has bunny ears by nature
thats even worse 🤮
fringe marten
But the trials in stormblood were just legit THE MOST badass mmo fights/bosses you'll ever find.
craggy pilot
But the girls tho
fringe marten
yeah the 'weeby' stuff...it's filled to the gills with it; you just trudge through it.
craggy pilot
kekw
fringe marten
^^ I played a lalafel bard..one of those little guys.
strong forum
We have gnomes and other shit
fringe marten
One of those little guys..in a chicken suit..with a HUGE bow.
strong forum
Literally the same thing
fringe marten
Was badass!
craggy pilot
tru, but they dont look like little babies like this 🤣
strong forum
Says you
crystal hill
And if it's gameplay you want..you can watch Limit Max and his guild getting the...
i mean... they're blind progressing the content at week 1 Ilvl having never played ff before a couple weeks ago with several fairly casual players in their group
this is not how most ff players experience the content
and they're clearing quite quickly considering that
fringe marten
The appearance doesn't even do it justice as to WHY they're so childish.. their walking/running animations make them absolutely seem childish (the lalafel)
strong forum
🤷♂️
It's an extremely fantasy fantasy game
That's kinda the point to have weird shit ykno
fringe marten
Bees oh I know man; even other FF14 players say they're learning/getting good really fast.. My point is that a lot of WoW players think they're playing the more hardcore/tougher game.. when in fact FF14 actually has much tougher content if you want to do it.
strong forum
It doesn't follow an arbitrary "have to be mature and ban everything sexy" ruleset
Where jokes are still allowed
fringe marten
The lallafel do this little waddle where they waggle their arms out to their sides and have this kinda' stiff legged clomping when they walk...it's legit like a toddler walking around.
obtuse prism
dadugan, I'd disagree - the rate at which those guys are progressing and learning in ffxiv would imply that either the skill cap or learning curve are lesser than wow. counterexample - i havent seen players that started playing a few months ago do mythic content.
but which is harder is irrelevant honestly - we play what we like
strong forum
The main difference is, ffxiv handleds difficulty differently
fringe marten
I will say though; FF14 doesn't have anything like M+. There's no real 'challenging' single group content. The dungeons are all easy and meant to be 'randomed' with roullettes every day for current tier rewards.
strong forum
Or rather, handles fuck ups differently
The entire idea that if you fuck up you get a dmg penalty is what makes it so interesting
And the fact that healers are hugely overpowered in their throughput
So you have to optimise differently
And not just play the full damage mitigation route that wow does
obtuse prism
the thing i didnt like playing ffxiv for over 2yrs is that I never made friends in that game, while in wow I met friends in the first 4months
fringe marten
Yeah it slopes it up kinda' gradually.. when you get to the 'actual' tough content, it's tough because it's constantly demanding and for long periods of time. the "ultimate' raids are multiboss gauntlets where you have to do nonstop mythic raid mechanics and kill back to back nonstop bosses.
Liskawc..that's why I came back to wow. Other than andrew who I knew; I never made any connection with anyone in the game like I did with my WoW guild.
strong forum
Hard to say what is harder and it honestly doesn't matter, you can't compare 8man raids vs 20man raids and expect the same amount of complexity
That's not how this works
Coordinating 8 people is billion times easier than 20
So the mechanics and demands have to be higher
In order to not be too easy
obtuse prism
Dadugan - i'm at the point where wow is almost like a social network lol
with added dungeon runs :)
strong forum
For me it's the other way around with wow
It's forced interaction
When I don't want to, but I can't do anything in the game unless I know people
strong forum
I couldn't give less of a fuck about social aspects of a game
fringe marten
Well the simple fact is..on any fight where you're progressing and it's difficult you probably can't lose anyone in WoW right? or not until the end if at all...same in FF14. So the personal responsibility to play RIGHT and not fail is honestly just as high...it's that the mechanical demands in FF14 basically never stop..and they barely do in WoW either.
strong forum
I don't want to make friends
But im forced to
But that's moreso a me issue
Rather than the games
fringe marten
I'm not trying to advirtise that we should all quit wow and go play FF14..really just that I had a lot of the same preconcieved notions other people did; It seems too weeby, too childish, too easy, too cartoony..etc etc.. and then found out it was just fun and really cool and it had a story arc and characters I grew to kinda' like and be curious as to 'what happened' to them in the story as it progressed.
fringe marten
But because I didn't have a guild I fealt like I was really a part of...I wasn't motivated to stay and keep doing 'end game' stuff 'cause I didn't feel a desire for gear and personal empowerment.
obtuse prism
oh Dadu dont get me wrong please - I agree with you - ffxiv can offer as much challenge as you wish, similar to wow - and at least in my eye they are alternatives to each other
fringe marten
But all the 'grindy' crap of WoW goes away..you don't feel like you gotta' log in to do these korthia dailies to grind up the rep to unlock..the ability to 'lottery' upgrade your conduits..etc. Or get shanked on 'loot luck' in SoD and not get your dom socket bonus because you can't get lucky with gear~ You can get geared in FF super easy, and do easy versions of endgame stuff very easily..that game IS more about the cosmetics and enjoying story, and playing alternate 'jobs' (classes)
zealous spade
What are your experiences as prot warrior in 20+ keys, PuG teams? Are you guys getting invited? I'm sitting on 2476 IO, but I hardly get any invites, everyone wants guardians
jagged pier
I was sitting at less and got all 20s done last week
And still an sitting at less
But thats what community perception does, u need a druid to tank a plus 15 nowadays
blazing condor
should be no problem with that rio
zealous spade
Into 20 or 21 I'd say its easier to get in, but 22 or above is a nightmare
jagged pier
Just dont pug, get a group
tame jasper
I got invited last week but we didnt managed to finish them in time 😦
tame jasper
If you are serious about pushing keys you cant pug
Glad im only pugging 98% 😒😭
modern brook
I don't want to make friends
strong forum
🔫
distant crystal
is that a threat
distant crystal
modern brook
sweet summit
.gov 
craggy pilot
aw man i alrdy miss Soulshap 😦
modern brook
🇺🇸 🦅 🇺🇸
strong forum
🇮🇴 👨🦲 🇮🇴
modern brook
I thought you were french
strong forum
Wdym, I posted the American national animal and their flag
pale gust
Is ows a valuable trink for prot? And anyone know how much haste does it stacks?
sweet summit
ows is very good
lfr is 37x5 haste
normal is 40x5 haste
heroic is 43x5 haste
mythic is 45x5 haste
primal cape
are you skipping frost on nw?
strong forum
For high keys yea
primal cape
did by mistake on a reroll and it felt great
modern brook
Yeah :(
blazing condor
in a coordinated group you can probably skip ice for every dg
idk which one is a necessity to have the movement speed
modern brook
There's a couple where having the slow will be pissy but not fight breaking
Plaguefall hoa and mists come to mind
Slaps, statues and mindlink respectively
All are solved with good use of movement cooldowns and prepositioning
distant crystal
we skip sogg and frostboi in spires
but you better gtfo those charges or yer dead
distant crystal
also they're auras around the boss
so while the boss is out of range (like spires) you don't have the effect
idk range, probably like 60yd?
blazing condor
Yeah makes sense
modern brook
Oh that I didn't know
blazing condor
i did that with a pug once but we still wiped because they couldnt dodge the spears
modern brook
Lmao
modern brook
Blink doesn't do damage why would it be on their bars?
distant crystal
i don't even shift as moonkin
blazing condor
but my bad for expecting the bare minimum of pugs
distant crystal
unless i was slacking then i'll disengage out
ocean yoke
remember if something does damage to you then its a healer mechanic since they heal damage
distant crystal
if i'm feeling kind to the healers i'll do mechanics too
blazing condor
i just hold shield block
ruby matrix
hey guys, does a thing like raidbots but for tanks exist?
light relic
Love daddy biz
oh shit dont watch that, got copyright claim on it and the audio is rip
F
chilly brook
hey guys, does a thing like raidbots but for tanks exist?
Raidbots works for tanks just for dps
If you're asking about if theres something that sims survival no
You dont need anything like that anyways
Press your buttons and you live assuming the healer is doing their job
ruby matrix
alright thanks
sweet lantern
Hi team! I'm having issues tanking Guardian - taking huge damage spikes. Is there any good tanking guide per boss? Trying to figure out what I can do better.
chilly brook
But you shouldn't be taking huge spikes on guardian
It's all blockable except for the magic hit that you soak with the group
sweet lantern
That's what has me confused. We exchange the sunders/obliterates and I take him after, and he starts hitting for 40K damage even with shield block up
sweet lantern
Any feedback would be highly appreciated
Our MT had to stop raiding and I stepped in so I'm a bit new at this
modern brook
I'm on mobile so i can't dig too deep
chilly brook
Did I mention mobile WCL is horrible?
modern brook
There are multiple instances of you just eating 40k unblocked melees
sweet lantern
Hahaha true
modern brook
Which is what I'm assuming ur referring to
chilly brook
modern brook
When you say you're getting trucked by 40k hits
chilly brook
Definitely feel like this could be higher
sweet lantern
Oh so shield block may have fallen off
modern brook
Yeah it looks like there's a gap
Again on mobile so can't give more then that
But I can say that the spikes are a lapse in block
modern brook
Ur using the wall
jagged pier
why are u running the wall on a block fight?
sweet lantern
I wasn't charging enough so I thought I could get more value of the wall but I probably should learn to charge more there
my melees complain if the boss moves...
xD
jagged pier
u can charge without making the boss move
jagged pier
why does everyone think the boss will move
sweet lantern
any tricks to do that?
jagged pier
charge before u taunt
sweet lantern
I usually intervene a ranged and charge back in
modern brook
I usually intervene a ranged and charge back in
Don't do that
modern brook
Ur wasting a revenge proc
jagged pier
he running wall griff
modern brook
I was gunna make gun of him for running wall and not using it
jagged pier
u can also charge back after a mechanic
modern brook
But 3 walla casts I a 4 minute fight is p expected
jagged pier
or run and charge back during a cast
chilly brook
Run out while your cotank is taking the mechanic and then charge
jagged pier
theres a literal tone of times u can just charge the boss and it wont move
chilly brook
Can do it twice actually for the block uptime and rage before you need to take him back
sweet lantern
Ok so:
- Switch to Reprisal
- Charge during casts / mechancis, intervene melees
Do I switch to Bolster too?
chilly brook
No
jagged pier
no
modern brook
Bolster isn't needed
sweet lantern
Ok
many thanks!
One last question - I've been trying to max out Haste but I think I've over done it. I'm on 42% haste, 35% mastery, 12% vers when raid buffed. I'm thinking it's worth it to drop haste and mastery for versatility right?
jagged pier
no
chrome falcon
nope
jagged pier
stats dont matter
chilly brook
One last question - I've been trying to max out Haste but I think I've over done...
Equip highest ilvl and press buttons
Stats are irrelevant
sweet lantern
Perfect, thanks guys!
sweet summit
a little bit of trolling
blazing condor
tfw we're too few to prog mythic rn cus people quit
but at least that lets me 99 parse hc
jagged pier
u havent done that already 
blazing condor
no 🙂
only fatescribe and eye but its the small victories
im not a cool SF like you guys so i cant play this class well enough
jagged pier
i havent got fatescribe ither but we soak the add
instead of spawn the smallies
never cheese
jagged pier
blazing condor
also 99 on The Nine
ocean yoke
blazing condor
we doing it boys
wide pilot
Equip highest ilvl and press buttons
prob shouldnt give that bad advice
wide pilot
but it is
chilly brook
Ok
wide pilot
when a 239 dom piece beats a 252 reg piece yes it is bad advice
wide pilot
but it does
chilly brook
Smh
wide pilot
so ilvl beats all besides half your gear
chilly brook
Not going to get into a semantics argument
wide pilot
semantics lol
crystal hill
semantics is when you disagree with me
wide pilot
telling someone ilvl beats all could make them not even try to get dom pieces...
why would i try for 239 dom pieces if i can get 252 loot from dungeon if ilvl beats all
chilly brook
This is literally the "never say never" or "dont make definitive statements" argument
Its pointless, you know what I meant and you're just choosing to argue for the sake of arguing
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
wide pilot
you know i would love to see a normal prot warrior push 20 keys with no vers like ppl here claim is fine. and sub 20% haste because hell im only going for ilvl
chilly brook
you know i would love to see a normal prot warrior push 20 keys with no vers lik...
Plka?
tulip arch
The suggestion for ilvl was specifically in response to someone asking about stats with no mention of domination gear and the overarching suggestion that ilvl beats all has been correct for prot warrior in recent memory
dry flicker
this is why i wish there were actual sims for tanks and healers. every dps class is told ilvl is always better but sims prove that to be a lie. i just assume it's a lie for tanks as well.
chilly brook
Hes not stacking vers my guy
cinder nova
you know i would love to see a normal prot warrior push 20 keys with no vers lik...
I have 4% vers and I do 20s
chilly brook
He is normal kekw
wide pilot
not these ppl that are the .00001% and are machines
cinder nova
You're literally just being obtuse.
chilly brook
You're literally just being obtuse.
Facts
wide pilot
besides he plays with a team
cinder nova
Playing with a team is .00001%? 🤔
cinder nova
You're grouping the statements and correlating them, yes.
wide pilot
grouping the statesments is not saying it
blazing condor
you know i would love to see a normal prot warrior push 20 keys with no vers lik...
i got base 20s in s1 with like 0 vers
through only pugging
wide pilot
saying plka is normal is obtuse
chilly brook
not these ppl that are the .00001% and are machines
I wasn't aware that suddenly the damage numbers suddenly changed for the .00001%
cinder nova
Can we ban this guy for being this stupid? Like I know we joke about being cavemen with ook ook wall paintings and not stacking INT, but damn.
dry flicker
plka has said he wishes he had more vers though
patent osprey
chilly brook
Especially not in 20s
cinder nova
Definitely not in 20s.
I was doing 23s last season with 7% vers
You absolutely do not need vers, I didn't even pay attention to it.
dry flicker
but it would have been a lot easier with 20% vers
you may not NEED it but it's still better
strong forum
patent osprey
cinder nova
It's mathematically not, actually. Vers loses value from block on anything but bleed and magic damage.
jagged pier
wide pilot
for some reason ppl think because someone can do it means its not wanted
chilly brook
You're legit the people who ran 80% vers in your weekly no leaver 15s
cinder nova
Crit has more defensive value for us in M+ because it doesn't get diminished by block
strong forum
Nobody said anything about not wanting
patent osprey
strong forum
All that's being said is that it's not needed
cinder nova
Only place I'd hard take a vers set is maybe PF, but definitely HOA on a Fort week.
And that's being generous.
strong forum
Ofc it fucking helps if you have perfect gear with great amounts of haste/vers
But hunting for high vers specifically and making sacrifices along the way is wrong
cinder nova
Vers as a stat in high keys is literally the last resort to overcoming absurd numbers after you've functionally perfected play.
strong forum
That's it
cinder nova
Using it for anything else in terms of pushing keys is literally kidding yourself.
chilly brook
But hunting for high vers specifically and making sacrifices along the way is wr...
Nah fam dont make that statement it's wrong because it's a definitive statement
wide pilot
whats the point in having 34% haste if my vers is 3% and i get 1 shot by a shadowcore lol
wide pilot
yup becuase i can kick every single core by myself
cinder nova
I can't believe we have to explain to you that you shouldn't be gearing around shitty play.
strong forum
You can't solo keys.
It's a team effort
If you try to solo keys you'll get hardstuck very early
cinder nova
This man is just looking for a reason to throw a fit, tbh. I'm gonna go brush my teeth and extricate myself. You deal with it, Nom.
dry flicker
need 80% vers to solo keys 😄
wide pilot
throw a fit?
cinder nova
You're being deliberately hyperbolic.
patent osprey
strong forum
If you get 1shot by a shadowcore, that means it was a raging mob and someone didn't do their job.
That being said, in bfa the benchmark for "that's where you stack vers" is when you're being one-shot despite good play
However
The fact that we don't have corruptions anymore that allow obscene stacking of 1 stat, makes the entire "stack X stack into oblivion" nothing more than an exaggerated hope
Yes it's beneficial
But in a best case scenario it'll only come down to 15% total damage reduction
Which is less than 2 key levels of scaling
It helps, but it's not going to make or break your survival. In high keys survival is not the thing you're worried about the most anymore, it's your dps players surviving and meeting the dps checks to begin with
chilly brook
Nom stop destroying my feelycraft bro
wide pilot
ill admit i am a bit tilted but you can only get blamed so many times in a group to insta flopping when things like shadowcore are allowed to go off and then ppl in the gorup who obviously know nothing about the class go spam IP forehead.
strong forum
We've had this discussion a billion times over
Especially in bfa
Have a little trust
Being a tank, especially in pugs is rough, cuz only tanks know about being a tank
Or a damn fine dps/healer
Need that thick skin passive from bears irl
Just remember this
30% vers is gonna turn a 100k hit into a 85k hit, you're still dead
Or in a lower hit example, a 50k hit will still slap for 42.5k, you're dead after 2 casts either way
rancid ember
Lies I have 90K+ hp
chilly brook
Lies I have 90K+ hp
I mean still gotta deal with the "melees" from the bone soldiers when that hit is happening
sweet summit
id live that
rancid ember
EZ kite those melees /w slows in circles
chilly brook
And by melee I mean magic hit that they're fuckin swinging swords for
strong forum
Okay dude I outed myself of being undergeard I get it
rancid ember
22 DOS this week felt much better then 20 DOS on Fort Raging 😄
dry flicker
with all that said i would still pick the mythic tarragrue shield with haste vers over the mythic sylvanas shield with crit mastery
strong forum
strong forum
the 7ilvl difference is a defensive gain of over 1% from the block value alone
chilly brook
with all that said i would still pick the mythic tarragrue shield with haste ver...
You wouldn't
sweet summit
🧢
blazing condor
doesnt the sylv shield have extra ilvl
hollow sun
whats the point in having 34% haste if my vers is 3% and i get 1 shot by a shado...
whats the point of playing with other people if you only rely on yourself
blazing condor
or wha
jagged pier
🧢
strong forum
not 252
blazing condor
jagged pier
wrong
chilly brook
u get like 87 more block with sylv shield
Plus armor
strong forum
my game > your game
chilly brook
And strength
sweet summit
well, yeah
hollow sun
ill admit i am a bit tilted but you can only get blamed so many times in a group...
i was healing a 14 yesterday at 205 il on my alt. We got a Dh tank that never kitted, even when he was 10% hp. He died a few times and used meta once, left the dungeon and the mage said that i was bad cause i was not able to heal him. Like, things like this happens, just ignore it and do another key
strong forum
going from a 239 shield to a 246 shield is an 3% increase in block amount
thats quite alot if you ask me
there gonna be the same increase from 252 to 259 obv
pale gust
It's mathematically not, actually. Vers loses value from block on anything but b...
in that sense, is mastery more valuable than vers?
wide pilot
Like legit ilvl is king
only reason i said that was because im sure you see me around here often. (prob usually bitching about something) but i usualy take whats said here as the gospel...so i know for me personally when it was said constantly ilvl is king i took it for face value.....never have i seen anyone talk about dom gear in m+ in regards to it beating ilvl.
strong forum
gets usually told quite often
but yeah, youre usually better off running 3-4dom pieces over 252 gear
hollow sun
only reason i said that was because im sure you see me around here often. (prob ...
hmm not really, everyone here says that dom gear is better than item level
strong forum
in my case a jump from 226 gloves to 252 gloves was bigger than going from 239 chest to 239 dom chest
but generally dom pieces will outweigh their higher ilvl non dom counterpart
chilly brook
Dom sockets outside of raid are give or take 15 ilvl
modern brook
in that sense, is mastery more valuable than vers?
Mastery loses all value against non blockable damage. Idk which scales damage% better but its not a case of one being better than another
strong forum
all stats are good
yeah sylv shoulders are huge
only thing better than sylv shoulders are slyv shoulders
chilly brook
In raid the set bonus is huge so you just don't sacrifice a dom socket
wide pilot
if you only had 3 dom sockets for m+ would u run the 3 dps ones or 2 dps and the absorb
ionic fern
2 dps and the absorb.
pale gust
Mastery loses all value against non blockable damage. Idk which scales damage% b...
gotcha, so to simplify, correct me if i'm wrong:
-(m+): ilvl> haste > vers-crit-mast
-(raid): dom pieces > ilvl > haste > vers-crit-mast
chilly brook
dyz is mostly only good on bosses
ionic fern
-(m+): Dom Pieces (depending on the shard) > ilvl> haste >= vers > crit-mast
-(raid): dom pieces > ilvl > haste > vers-crit-mast
chilly brook
What damage legendary?
pale gust
not for guardian though
chilly brook
ionic fern
Help me get rid of my Mastery. 😦
chilly brook
Worse than reprisal
pale gust
What damage legendary?
em?
ionic fern
- Sim for damage
- Otherwise it's "ok" unless you're dropping insane amounts of ilvl.
ionic fern
I swear people are over complicating stats.
chilly brook
I do know the NF one is big dam
I know what it does
And its 25% crit damage not crit
Just idk how it stacks up numbers wise against reprisal
mighty valley
couldn't they have made the venthyr legendary pump for prot 😔
give us something, blizzard
pale gust
-(m+): Dom Pieces (depending on the shard) > ilvl> haste >= vers > crit-mast
-(r...
for m+ im using that 252 chest instead of a 226 blood set chest, sorry if this question repeats a lot, but just want to make sure that im minmaxing my character
chilly brook
In keys I'd say a 26 ilvl upgrade is worth over a shard
If you want a more concrete answer you can do a rudimentary sim and then test it
mighty valley
probably depends on what the rest of your dom socket situation is, probably worth wearing your only slot, but definitely take the ilvl upgrade over like, the 4th or 5th best shard
especially if the shard isn't leveled yet
brave jetty
Blood chest was eluding me all patch so I finally said fuck it and upped my unholy to 4 this week
Naturally this is the week I got a chest finally
I'm not super far behind on blood but still annoying
mighty valley
damn, I had a ring like that at 226 last patch
brave jetty
After like a month of drought the raid was finally good to me last night. Got an aegis that rolled speed, too. I knew it was nuts in M+ but didn't realize how nuts.
chilly brook
Granted I shed my shield this patch so it's not necessarily needed but I'd rather have it than unholy as dps rn with prog
mellow patio
Obligatory pop in to say ||vers is for nerds||
chilly brook
Obligatory pop in to say ||vers is for nerds||
The GOAT returns
mellow patio
The GOAT returns
👋
strong forum
looks more like a bear than a goat
mellow patio
Panda is bis
If you are a portek warrior and are not panda I am sad to inform you that you are suboptimal
Both irl and in game
blazing condor
^
mellow patio
Alliance lul can you imagine
warm condor
do you guys know of any gpod prot warriors that upload yt vids? i only know plka
want to see some higher keys done with prot to get a better feel for things
strong forum
sense uploads his mythic raid kills and m+ keys
warm condor
sense uploads his mythic raid kills and m+ keys
thank you!
warm condor
😦