it's techincally Ilya Murometz
#protection
old flame
modern brook
what did i say?
blazing condor
i donated $5000 to amouranth and she said my name on stream she's practically my gf now 
modern brook
i legit have a piggy bank
and i put all my change in it every day
when Ninomae retires
I'm superchatting her the whole piggy bank
blazing condor
bold bolt
koryan better for raiding? nvm got it 😄
maiden ravine
Spiteful/Grievous is probably the best fort week we've gotten so far
rancid ember
Technically week 1 is, but it was rolled over from season 1 so we got jipped. Week 1 was Bursting/Storming
rancid ember
Play tank instead 😄
modern brook
maybe i will
prisma bear
grievous so fucking bad for warrior 😦
rancid ember
Wait do you main Rogue @modern brook ?
mellow bridge
we mitigate so much that we dont really drop super low to procc it
mellow bridge
on the other hand, a tank like DH/DK perma proccs it since theyre spikey and it dosent count into their selfhealing
it's completely fine for us
rancid ember
lol 😄 I just realized you sent me a rogue profile haha
VDH is OP for Grievous
Every time I cast soul cleave I take a stack off myself
GG
(we literally spam that ability)
prisma bear
yeah no amount of copium will change warrior is below average for grievous
rancid ember
I'm curious how Grievous will play /w Executioner though. Is Grievious Phys dmg??
mellow bridge
True, I forgot about that stack removing mechanic
modern brook
yah its a bleed
prisma bear
although it was much more exaggerated with prideful i might be going too hard
mellow bridge
I'm curious how Grievous will play /w Executioner though. Is Grievious Phys dmg...
dmg type isnt really relevant for executioner?
rancid ember
Damn.. Skipping Soggo could be painful but Fort so maybe not
It was two separate questions really.
rancid ember
Executioner Painful /w Grievous, but Grievous Phys = Soggo Skips more dmg on final boss
rancid ember
Yeah I think so too.
prisma bear
i would be worried about skipping it with heavy partywide stuff
like plaguefall
and sd last boss has a physical bleed on the party too
rancid ember
Yeah SD I don't skip Soggo. DOS Either usually.
NW I started killing Soggo after 22 last week. Barely got him on a 22 and he was hurting badbad
prisma bear
oh god dos could be so free skipping sogg but if everyone isnt topped before the totems you are toast
rancid ember
Yeah that and he was just in Ardeanweald last 2 weeks. He was a nice cooldown refresh kill in between 2 super big pulls
prisma bear
hoa last boss maybe that channel putting everyone into grievous might be too much as well without sogg
rancid ember
Should be fine this week.
prisma bear
i have no idea tbh ill have to test
rancid ember
TOP could be bad, but just lust at 50% and burn her ass down
I think he's also in a bad spot in TOP Now that cant be skipped this week
rancid ember
He's moved this week
prisma bear
oo where to
rancid ember
LT's rotate positions every 2 weeks. AABBAABBAA
If I remember right he's in Gladiator's room
prisma bear
o.o how come you cant skip?
rancid ember
Boss throws you down during the encounter right next to him
rancid ember
mellow bridge
the mobs are usually pacified when you get thrown down
but it sometimes bugs out kekw
plush plaza
Hey! Ive got two shields to choose from in my Vault and im not sure what matters most when it comes to tanking. 252 shield 1905 block, crit/vers or 239 shield 1757 block, haste/mastery
chilly brook
Always ilvl
strong forum
the only stat you care about on your shield is block value, which you only get from ilvl
chilly brook
You never sacrifice ilvl unless it's a dom socket
sick sentinel
is Anima field emmiter at 252 pretty decent for us?
jagged pier
yup
wooden radish
@ionic fern 
waxen cradle
246
wooden radish
and do you have dom socket shoulder
waxen cradle
no I dont
modern brook
shield every day of the week 4 times on sunday
thats a 9/9 heroic clear
gunna get 2 shots at dom sohulders and 0 at a 252 shield
wooden radish
6 item levels on shield vs. no dom socket shoulder
modern brook
dommy mommys dont give block
blazing condor
If you can clear HC comfortably do that first then pick shield if you get the shoulder imo
waxen cradle
@blazing condor yeah we will clear H easily, we just killed Sylvannas this week but she is easy now, we killed her almost before final platform
wooden radish
dommy mommys dont give block
6 item levels of block is worth 1% damage reduction realistically
blazing condor
took a while to get HC sylv down
but next week one shot
Is there a daily cap on Satchels from LFG?
the ones you get from role-filling?
feels like you can only do one a day
lofty widget
no cap to my knowledge, ive gotten multiples in a row
robust geyser
Quick question, 246 weapon and shield. Vault giving 252 of shield and weapon. Clearing 2/10m every week. What would you choose.
jagged pier
shield
robust geyser
Isn’t terrague shield better stats? Current one and vault one are critical/versatility
modern brook
bird in the hand
you can also do what goodstuffe has recommended multiple times today
and clear mtarra before choosing
modern brook
6 item levels of block is worth 1% damage reduction realistically
i was going to defend it with a 9/9 clear wont replace a 252 shield, but the dom shoulders are also from last 2 so also wouldnt replace them. I still say shield value is worth it over the dom peice, esp if you already have set bonus but
timber abyss
How are ye all playing Theatre of Pain atm? Managed to get the rest done on 20 this push week but struggling to get this one on time, best to pull everything to boss? (Dessia is insane on Tyra so a bit scared to do so)
craggy pilot
omfg 2 NW 18 in a row depleted cus of dumb shit
first one healer loses internet for like 5 minutes...
2nd one people cant do hooks on 3rd boss wtf
how can you have an 18 key and not do hooks...
modern brook
did yall kill first add before hook 2?
craggy pilot
no
modern brook
lmao team sucks
modern brook
it breaks the timings
modern brook
1st hook gets him down 2nd hook stops fixate before he goes, 1st hook 2nd add grabs as he jumps back
if you kill before 2nd hook 2nd add spawns sooner and you have to wait for the hook when he jumps back
modern brook
yes we agree
But im bringing it up because people (ie: your dps) dont realize how important add management is on that fight as you climb key levels on tyr
and if 2 adds are out you need to get really creative to keep them far apart enough that they 1st hook wont hit the 2nd hook so you can still hook the boss down
craggy pilot
fucking just want this NW 18
as i know tyrannical NW is gonna be hard as fk from now on
modern brook
imo if ur pugging it just dump weapons into stitchflesh
craggy pilot
literally DH used spear on one of the packs right before Stitchflesh
because he wasnt able to use the Orb he also had
craggy pilot
no clue bro
vale tulip
is there somewhere that says how much ilvl a dom socket is worth? not your main set of course but the other two
strong forum
This is moreso to help people build arms + prot in the same soulbind
Because its been asked alot
vale tulip
oh i had been playing pelagos lol
strong forum
With renown 57 mikanikos is the go-to
vale tulip
thanks!
cinder nova
I feel like I'm suffering from FOMO if I don't go Kyrian
fast oracle
I'm in the same place. Currently NF, thinking seriously about switching to Kyrian.
lament scroll
By the time you grind your renown up the Flavor of the month will probably change back rofl. Unless you are pushing really high content probably doesn't matter if you are NF or Kyrian
fast oracle
I destroyed some +9s last well, so super high content 😜
ocean yoke
im tempted to swap NF but yelling about bron every time he comes in from the top rope is too fun
tired ice
im tempted to swap NF but yelling about bron every time he comes in from the top...
And his name is BRON CENAAAAA
cinder nova
Unrelated, but Cena is a baby dick cuck 100%
cinder pasture
Bron will always spawn just as a pack or the boss dies
cinder nova
Does it matter when? I thought Bron did literally less than 1% DPS
brave jetty
And his name is ***BRON CENAAAAA***
💯
cinder nova
Or does he supply a stat proc or something
brave jetty
Bron usually does like 1-2% lol
lofty widget
bron is not the reason we pick mika, he's just a nice addition
cinder nova
That's what I figured.
lofty widget
hes pretty useless
tired ice
Bron will always spawn just as a pack or the boss dies
Did a ToP today and he spawned the exact second that assassin of the first boss spawns, turns out displacement gets rid of her
That was a bro moment
brave jetty
Bron is basically a Shadowcore Oil's worth of dmg with extra steps
ocean yoke
but also the yelling about him
cinder nova
I did a 16 TOP two weeks ago and I'm still tilted that I got EVERY assassin cast and the ONE I get on me not a single person lifts a finger
Literally just getting clobbered on a Tyr weeks with this bitch stunning me
I was mad pissed
cinder pasture
Did a ToP today and he spawned the exact second that assassin of the first boss ...
Wanna trade brons then? Mine sucks 😂
cinder nova
Is there a value to shadowcore oil? I always used stones 🤔
cinder pasture
I’m greedy as hell, so I’m using the stones cause they’re cheaper
cinder nova
Does stone not beat it? 🤔
tired ice
And then there was me running a dungeon with another Mikanikos enjoyer when Sanguine was up
Puddles lie around, I pull the mobs out, BOTH BRONS spawn in the perfect angle to kick the entire pack back into the puddle
It was both beautiful and rage inducing
cinder nova
I feel like every Sanguine week mobs that can't be CC'd or kicked start up long casts as shit dies under them while I'm trying to kite
I wanna eat my eyelids out of frustration
brave jetty
I'm not actually sure lol, I think oils are better but I haven't found it worth the time to sim. Guess I always assumed, don't remember if I read it somewhere.
tired ice
And don't forget archer mobs
I hate those pests
They were fine in Legion and BFA when there was maybe 3 or 4 of them across all dungeons and the spots they were in accounted for their presence, like in Halls of Valor
brave jetty
I mean there are only about as many in these dungeons too
tired ice
But now they're just all over the place and they usually jump around like goddamn Grasshoppers
cinder nova
Looks like shadowcore oil is higher by like
15 dps
Oh wait
Nevermind, I have to fix the sim
robust geyser
any advice. Thinking between defence matrix vs weapon.
tired ice
I'd say weapon, as there's a higher chance for another matrix than there is for a 252 weapon, but you can also wait for the next Guardian kill before picking anything
dense gate
I had the same choice last week, did hc guardian to see if id get the matrix (didnt) then picked matrix
robust geyser
fair
2nd week in arow i got weapon
i doubt my luck will last another week though
mellow bridge
Do you have a 252 weapon
If not, pick the weapon
You don't have to think about that one
Unless you're going to kill a boss this week that drops one, then you might consider waiting
cinder nova
Yo when the fuck am I gonna get a neck that sims higher than perfectly forged credentials
Feels ass wearing this stupid thing
worthy karma
The KT neck at 246 sims higher then the credentials
tired ice
Yes, with more haste than crit
worthy karma
Yeah that’s what replace mine
nocturne sage
Anyone have any tips on how to best use reprisal in raid? I know I'm doing it wrong for sure
lilac bloom
i noticed that everytime on p3 for heroic sylvanus.. when i get wailing arrow it has to be dispelled before jumping to the next platform?
ocean yoke
@nocturne sage intervening melee or the other tank just after you taunt and walking out to charge right as youre taunting is about it
mellow bridge
Additionally bosses often have casts during which you can just walk away from them and charge in again
Like guardian when he does his big laser
nocturne sage
<@!410657988550852609> intervening melee or the other tank just after you taunt ...
Gotcha, I've been trying to leap out and charge back in without moving the boss too much but I've been messing that up
fringe marten
Fatboi I can often use it on my cotank without issue; in some but not all fights...if not cotank..just rando melee dps or even ranged who's close
and yeah, on mobs cast etc...you can strafe out enough to get a charge back in to burn charges
nocturne sage
I think its just my targeting that's really bad, like I end up intervening someone too far and have to charge back in to taunt boss
fringe marten
Yeah I don't use a mouseover intervene/charge for raids..I use that in M+
I use a control modifier for raid intervenes.
ocean yoke
i have a melee guy ive chosen for all those
nocturne sage
I wish my guild had enough people for that, we can't even fill a 2-2-6 lol
ocean yoke
oof thats rough
alliance? or just small guild/realm?
also just got a mythic shard during reclear
nocturne sage
not alli, just small guild on kj
ocean yoke
just curious cause im alliance so we have the recruiting woes sometimes
nocturne sage
Ah, yeah, we're mostly horrible at recruiting haha
We have yet to get a guild raid challenge completed
ocean yoke
that stinks its a brutal cycle when you get stuck there
mine almost broke up during nathria cause of it
empty spindle
I’m still hungry guys
nocturne sage
yeah, we're mostly refugees from a toxic guild so still gun shy
fringe marten
mward we were too; going horde revitalized our roster. The downside is..you get strong players who are hungry for progression; if you don't progress as fast as they 'want' they just bounce
It was our experience that alliance players tended to be older/more relaxed..but had an average worse throughput per class than horde does. Could just be anecdotal but fealt that way..
and horde kids are...horde kids.. =\
ocean yoke
thats definitely kinda the experience weve had, but we go for the older environment over hardcore zug zug prushing so it hasnt been an issue
we ended up merging with one of those mega large guilds and it kinda saved us
fringe marten
yup..honestly I could care less about cutting edge, or pushing io or whatever..if progress bursn me out I don't wanna play any more
fading dirge
Anyone know any reason why my taunt would not be working on mythic Ner'Zhul? It happens a lot where 1 or 2 taunts arent pulling off my co-tank at all
its almost as if my taunt misses if that makes sense?
timber cloud
anyone know if aegis trinket works on dot damage? eg sylvanas
oblique garnet
Anyone know any reason why my taunt would not be working on mythic Ner'Zhul? It ...
If you taunt too often boss goes immune
tame jasper
anyone know if aegis trinket works on dot damage? eg sylvanas
It does
cold flame
what stats should i craft seismic reverb with if i'm just looking to do dps in weekly 15s
as prot*
merry ocean
I would craft it with haste crit
tired cove
What do you guys think of aegis on prot war ?
mighty valley
the trinket? aenhyld's aegis or whatever? extremely good for m+
tired cove
yeah
tired cove
You think it's worth using a 200 ilvl scale with old warrior soul, since i main dps as a war
mighty valley
I'd just use your dps trinkets for now
potent garnet
This was a farm 7 Mist... were all 222-224. Are pugs like this normal for tanks?
mighty valley
Pugs are pugs, they vary a lot
You'd hope everyone would do more dmg than the tank but sometimes you get weaker players
worthy karma
Would you wait for Avatar and spear to line up? for ex. would you hold spear or avatar for 30sec for them to line up?
unique shale
Would you wait for Avatar and spear to line up? for ex. would you hold spear or ...
depends if you are on a big pack just use it otherwise hold on to it
is if still worth farming one handed wepaon and scale in vault cause i wanna open it for arm
jagged pier
Would you wait for Avatar and spear to line up? for ex. would you hold spear or ...
No
But if u run AM they line up
strong forum
Maybe 5sec, but not 30 lol
The CD of spear is 40sec
Waiting for another 30 is a massive waste
And as jakey said, with AM Avatar and spear line up for every use
jagged pier
Well just about depending on mobs brings them alot closer at least
unique shale
is if still worth farming one handed wepaon and scale in vault cause i wanna ope...
@strong forum
unique shale
yup
jagged pier
Well 1h drops from eye
And 246 scale will do the same job as 252 tbh
So it up to u
unique shale
oh ok
graceful cobalt
ok thx
woven bear
what a crappy vault again. I already have 252 boots and a 246 shield and 252 mainhand..
bold bolt
🤔 guess i take the wrist? only domination item* i need for me set
sweet summit
yah take wrist if that's the case
bold bolt
got it ty
strong forum
what a crappy vault again. I already have 252 boots and a 246 shield and 252 mai...
Pick sylv shield for tmog 
sweet summit
blazing condor
first boring vault 
got a 246 dom socket i can upgrade from a 239 one but im gonna pick 252 boots
jagged pier
Meanwhile i got to exchange my 210 scale with 252.
@ionic fern tanking skyhold weeklies now?
sweet summit
actually just built dipp idk
strong forum
merry ocean
Is decanter of Anima charged winds any good? 😄
sweet summit
Does good damage but kinda requires you to position properly to hit with the frontal
vocal geode
it does around 200-250k @ 236 ilvl in 15-18 keys for me
fringe marten
So did INT classes not get Adaptive Armor fragment conduit with 9.1?
fringe marten
Right but..? Why are no logs showing like..warlocks using it on single target fights? when they have no better option for some of their slots?
(I'm talking with a warlock in guild in disc..and he's never gotten it, and no one uses it..so?)
strong forum
Maybe only classes that have tank specs can loot it
Cuz it requires you to be healed to get a proc
fringe marten
I'm not doubting him, nor you...I just have no idea what INT classes get LOL.
fringe marten
But yeah, if zero logs for painsmith don't show a single warlock using it...then ? I'm guessing it doesn't exist.
blazing condor
tired ice
Just checked on a warlock, it's literally not in the loot table
bright flax
had 252 venom-choker on vault, could replace 246 neck
then I see OWS @246, the fomo was too much and just insta picked, not sure how to feel right now
bright flax
Ows seems awesome, will try pairing with gland or afe
Tonight I bury the arcane mages
strong forum
Keep in mind, those haste procs will likely get taxed hard because they're raw stats
So overstacking on haste stat isn't gonna give you as much haste as initially thought
Afe+ows will give you like 20% alone, so if you have 30% already it'll eat up like 90 or so haste from those procs
rigid edge
Should I take a Shard of Aegis 239 over a Overwhelming Power 252? my current ones are 246 and 252 but nothing especial...
vocal geode
aegis is great, but if you dps spec as well then I'd go for 252 opc and try get aegis from clearing hc instead
since opc is amazing for dps
blazing condor
Id personally take OPC
rigid edge
I only play Prot really 😄
blazing condor
aegis is way easier to re-obtain
but if you only play prot
aegis is probably better
if you're gonna clear any day soon you can always do that
see if you get lucky
then pick vault
rigid edge
Yeah I might save the vault until the weekend when we raid, and see what gives
Thanks guys!
blazing condor
Good luck! 🙂
daring light
i know its hard getting stat weights for prot but does anyone have a imput i could copy
im not sure how much i like nox
nova surge
Guys i need your help.
As a protection warrior i choose to go with Kyrian. This week for Mythic+ we have Grevious as 3rd affl. The Kyrian healing potion count to remove one stack of the debuff , but if anyone is going protection, Mikanikos is the best soulbound and the best conduit tree is the one that uses your healing potion when you fall below 35%. Is there any better conduit build to have the healing potions on use?
ionic fern
Just go right instead of left? 👀
The bottom choice is up to you, use w/e.
cyan onyx
Wait is Mikanikos the best? I thought we used pelagos
mellow bridge
i know its hard getting stat weights for prot but does anyone have a imput i cou...
No
you dont use that shit
unless you want pure damage
if you want pure damage, you sim your character
wide pilot
okay so i was a big idiot and accidentally destroyed a r3 shard....obviously i have refarm the shard but my question would be do i have to upgrade it from r1 to r2 to r3 again or can i upgrade it straight to r4... may seem like an odd question but i only ask because when i look on the upgrade merchant it shows the upgrade for 30 resources
mellow bridge
Wait is Mikanikos the best? I thought we used pelagos
Always use mikanikos as soon as you can use the very last trait
lofty widget
okay so i was a big idiot and accidentally destroyed a r3 shard....obviously i h...
well you need a r3 shard to upgrade to r4 and i dont think it will drop as a r3, so you will probably have to upgrade all ranks again
cyan onyx
Always use mikanikos as soon as you can use the very last trait
Oh okay thanks, the guide on wow head is out of date I guess
wide pilot
ugh ok was afraid of that tired of these stupid systems they put in this game...cant replace this shard unless you buy this item once you buy this item you have to click 10 things to replace the shard....just let me replace the fucking shard
mellow bridge
just get the addon domination socket helper
pine storm
You don't even need that, they foxed it like 2 weeks ago didn't they? You can't replace a shard without taking it out first
Fixed*
mellow bridge
idk
but the addon just makes it easier to do
only one click to remove them, you can put the shards in without having to drag them, can save sets
wide pilot
wish i knew about that b4 losing it lol
mellow bridge
Not gonna lie, not sure how you manage to destroy a shard 🤷♂️
pine storm
How/when did you even loose it?
wide pilot
i lost it because the game is stupid and makes you remove a shard to upgrade it
because they cant create a system that recognizes you have the shard equipped
pine storm
And then you did what? Manualy destroy it? O.o
wide pilot
nope i imagine i put a shard over it by mistake but if u cant do that i dont know where it went
blazing condor
Should be able to make a ticket for it no?
wide pilot
doubt it i had a friend who lost all his shards on a character transfer
pine storm
Yeh, googled it and it was in a hotfix on the 3rd of august
wide pilot
he said they had a psa saying they will not replace shards
okay crisis adverted....stupid me somehow managed to put it in my dps dom gloves and im wearing my tank dom gloves.......fuck me as you were everyone!
now what was that addon called?
blazing condor
Phew
split anchor
booming voice for ST or dragon roar
mellow bridge
bv
split anchor
ty man
ionic fern
Wait is Mikanikos the best? I thought we used pelagos
Once you get all the traits Mika is really good offensively. Nothing wrong with running Pelagos tho
modern brook
@ionic fern who cares about pelly, can i run kleia?
jagged pier
If your arent running mik your inting
sterile rapids
<@!238357283996696576> who cares about pelly, can i run kleia?
Prepping for necrotic soon?
modern brook
smh
strong forum
Bull is just into feet
fading dirge
If you taunt too often boss goes immune
I guess I can check logs to see if that is the case. But it happened last night on the first taunt swap of suffering cast. I had to taunt three times to get it off my co-tank. And it wasnt like I taunted and he took it back. The boss never even targeted me.
inland raft
Is tour cotank taunting repeatedly while he tanking for some odd reason?
fading dirge
thats what Im checking logs for right now. I would post a clip, but Im an idiot and forgot to take the BRB screen down on my stream so I cant review any visuals LOL
strong forum
If yes, does your cotank do triple digit dps?
inland raft
You mean im supposed to do damage and not just rely on taunt?
jagged pier
inland raft
Only 28 baseline
Game keeps giving me ilvl upgrades with no haste
Was up to 36 at one point
But my crit stonks 
jagged pier
35%
tame jasper
belt?
tame jasper
oh armgards
strong forum
26 baseline rn
But im mostly focused in crit cuz I care more about arms gear rn
If I got my haste ring back I'd be at around 30% haste
craggy pilot
there are no armguards, but ye the belt seems to be the only option 🤦
simple socket
The reason I'm asking is because when going ITF + using a OWS in raids, wont there be too much haste?🤔
strong forum
Itf doesn't count towards the stat tax
And no, there is never enough haste
Anything below 166% haste is perfectly fine
strong forum
Id say the spec plays the most comfortable around 80% haste
Tbh
Even with 150% it was literally perfectly comfortable to play in bfa
simple socket
Thank you for your replies guys💕
modern brook
Anything below 166% haste is perfectly fine
I can't believe we need 166% haste to be a playable spec v.v
inland raft
Only have 165.9 literally unplayable
gleaming blaze
Pulsating Stoneheart any good?
jagged pier
Nope
gaunt dawn
Nope
fading dirge
Is tour cotank taunting repeatedly while he tanking for some odd reason?
So I guess thats the issue. When my co-tank is taunting, on some pulls he taunts for the swap and then taunts again while he has the boss. Would be because he using the monk speed boost on taunt to move the boss to position for orbs?
inland raft
Who knows his reasoning but tell him to cut it out
fading dirge
You know where orbs spawn about 10s before they're up
what am I miss then? looking at my stream and I dont see an precursor to the orb spawning?
gaunt dawn
I'm glad hall of fame is so even and fair
inland raft
I mean it is fair, alliance hust doesnt have many high end players
gaunt dawn
🤔
inland raft
Most alliance are busy making gold in goldshire
strong forum
Can you call an 80vs20 pool fair
gaunt dawn
90v10
strong forum
Just because you yourself can choose which of the sides you're on
Doesn't mean it's fair
rigid edge
80v20 is pretty generous
inland raft
A lot of players are alliance at heart
gaunt dawn
I'd love to go back alliance
inland raft
Its straight up better for most content, but playerbase is on horde
gaunt dawn
But if I did I wouldnt be able to clear the raid
I'd rather play the game than play the game I want
strong forum
distant crystal
sad troll noises
gaunt dawn
Most of the people in my guild are the same but we ain't moving
Its like
4 grand
To move back
Xd
distant crystal
we just moved horde this tier
inland raft
Also i like my vulpera
gaunt dawn
All the chars the gbanks
distant crystal
i miss shadowmeld 😦
inland raft
In gonna assume only a matter if time before factions are more or less removed, they are experimenting internally with cross faction pve ques already, the question is if game lasts long enough to get there
strong forum
And then thanos snapped half of the factions leaders into dust, and we have to Band together
inland raft
Didnt early alpha builds of shadowlands show leaked image of faction selection on character select?
inland raft
Ofc theres always hope that meme post from frw days back feom “blizzardleaks” is real 
Ff14 inspired wow2 kek
inland raft
True
strong forum
Cuz it's so bad
strong forum
Facts
tame jasper
In gonna assume only a matter if time before factions are more or less removed, ...
Was also thinking about that as in the story the factions get closer together every step
inland raft
I mean theres no way blizzard doesnt want to
strong forum
They do that every expansion.
inland raft
The issue is theres a very large casual base that would flip a lid
inland raft
And blizzard has to account for that
strong forum
End of mop, Band together
End of wod, Band together
Fucking 2nd patch of bfa, Band together
inland raft
Its needless balancing and extra work for them
strong forum
Fucking starting patch of SL Band together
jagged pier
Wow reborn lets go
inland raft
Wow 2: a wow reborn
strong forum
Thanos
inland raft
My favorite is how game literally references thrall jaina bolvar as frienda, jaina and thrall have the whole sexual tension thing going on, and yet we supposed to hate each other as factions
Leadership all chummy but better hate each other
sweet summit
strong forum
Jaina is hung up on arthas.
distant crystal
Thrall is just hung
strong forum
Watch some epic shit happen with Arthas and Anduin in 9.2 tho
There's bound to be SOMETHING
inland raft
Arthas appears as a throwaway first boss
“Subverting expectations”
But ya def some sort of anduin/arthas story
tired ice
“Subverting expectations”
as in, "You'll never believe how low we're going"
inland raft
Arthas is dealt with off screen as part of campaign
sweet summit
Thrall is just hung
Why
It would cost you nothing to not say anything
But you did
And now i am scarred
distant crystal
he got those catcher's mitt hands
tired ice
Those totem tossers
sweet summit
inland raft
Erga headed to a therapist after this
plush tendon
Thrall is a coward
distant crystal
We try not to sexualize Erga
craggy pilot
i just love how Fortified makes the first 2 pulls of DOS impossible for me
when my 
runs out, i insta die to spells every single time
inland raft
Need to have cds there and dont tank the melees too much as they also magic damage
craggy pilot
ye the Bonestrike thing?
died on each pull
then the mage whose key it was left 😄
he was doing less dps than me 🤷
strong forum
Yeah bonestrike a lovely ability
inland raft
Basically make sure shadowcore is always kicked or spell reflect with other kicks where possible and take as few bonestrikes as possible and use cds
mellow bridge
well your healer kinda has to heal you on those pulls 🤔
inland raft
First pull tou should have lust
Which should carry it
Second one i usually use my defensives
mellow bridge
4.2s before your death you had 42% hp only
and didnt get a single heal in that entire time
that's just shit
inland raft
But ya healer gotta do work
mellow bridge
second death is your fault tho
you stood in the big circle
3 ticks of that for 24k each
inland raft
Ya the circle from warlords is a no go and dont face tank them while enraged at least at higher keys
Lower keys can take them to the face generally but as you go higher they start to really hurt
trim bay
They can be soothed as well.
ivory elbow
hands has leech
but dont have hands with domination socket
the trinket is pog rest is shit
ivory elbow
boots i got legendary there
pastel trellis
Scale 100%
sweet summit
not a bad call
bright flax
Keep in mind, those haste procs will likely get taxed hard because they're raw s...
Busy day at work, thanks for reminder on caps
Atm 5stacks ows + gland + itf puts me up at 46%
With ofe it pushes to 52%
Ows buff alone with my gear puts me at 29% and unbuffed I have 23. Guess ill just play ows and try out decanter dungeon trinket or matrix with it
inland raft
Aegis is better in most cases is reason its not instant pick but ya scale is good but dom socket is also good
median tulip
There's bound to be SOMETHING
I'm expecting 9.2 Raid to be "Return to Icecrown"
strong forum
It gets better the more targets there are
But it's just 60 dps on average
Nothing revelating
ivory elbow
got 3 dom socket i have kyr, zed , rev, tel , jas and bek
strong forum
Kyr bek and X are defo your best bets
strong forum
Kyr is the strongest shard for us in m+
X being whatever else sounds good
Since you don't have cor or dyz, idk
plush tendon
Cult of Kyr; may not give damage but big healing 😄
distant crystal
pog
sweet summit
hot
elfin nova
don't tell the arms channel
I'm still using slyv normal shoulders but i will take an OWS FOR SURE
bright flax
George and Lucy spent so much time designing this covenant bonuses that no one uses. Meanwhile look at this shard system, what a success
tired ice
bUt ShArDs ArE tIeR sEtS
bright flax
Patchnotes from a future universe:
Implemented class set bonus
3 set bonus: increases something related to cov signature (same for all specs and classes)
5 set bonus: increases something related to class covenant ability
people keep complaining but we gave them class tier sets
sweet summit
pls no
tired ice
I wouldn't even mind that, that could be actually interesting
tired ice
Better than "Main stat buff and single digit%increase" at least
bright flax
I would prefer something that either enables a different subpar aspect of the spec to shine, or changes rotation through procs
But at least warrior related, idk any of the past set bonus to have an opinion
chilly brook
No shield slam CD during avatar
Since we no longer have recklessness
Bring back Antorus
chilly brook
tired ice
"You can reactivate Spear of Bastion while the area lasts, dealing X damage to tethered targets and pulling them to you"
"Your Shield Slam, Bloodthirst and Overpower(maybe MS?) extend the duration of your Ancient Aftershock by 2 seconds, up to X 10 seconds"
"Taking damage and spending rage increases the effects of your next condemn by X%, up to X%"
"Glory grants you X% of your damage dealt as absorb, when it ends, inflict the value of the absorb split between nearby enemies"
I'm not saying they're perfect or remotely balanced ideas, but definitely more interesting than "Hit enemy. DoT. HoT."
obtuse prism
6piece bonus: thunderclap no longer has a cooldown
rugged mural
Anyone know the location of Varuth and Flame guy in ToP this week?
modern brook
same as last week but swapped
rugged mural
I wish I knew what they were last week, but can't remember from the one ToP I did
modern brook
sweet summit
chilly brook
erga doesnt know the power
What do you expect from a zoomer
modern brook
they dont know we didnt need it
chilly brook
craggy pilot
is OPC good for prot?
ancient monolith
if you want to be super offensive and do damage then yeah
chilly brook
if you want to be super offensive and do damage then yeah
Why wouldn't you want to do that tho
modern brook
but ther are much worse trinkets you could be using
ancient monolith
Why wouldn't you want to do that tho
good point 
craggy pilot
i have Phial Aegis
and we doing normal Tarra skip to KT and sylv
just wanna do mad deeps in Normal before HC 😄
modern brook
theres a pin about the cheat death trinket the rings true for basically every defensive trinket
If you dont need it
its not very good
chilly brook
Basically
modern brook
in otherwords, yeah go fuckin wild w/ phial ocp
just dont die like a dweeb
I cant really speak to aegis effective ness in raid, let alone those 3 fights
but on a normal re clear im pretty sure u can go in with no trinkets and be fine still
chilly brook
I cant really speak to aegis effective ness in raid, let alone those 3 fights
Aegis is meh in raid
Really only good if several things are hitting you
modern brook
i figure
ITs pretty clear that the vlaue is the uncapped mitigation in large pulls
but i dont hav eone so i cant speak to it :^)
mighty valley
what does ocp stand for again
obtuse prism
is there a website or a forum post or discord entry where each covenant's soulbinb "buffs" are discussed in the context of usefulness, compared to each other, and tested against which is better for incoming dmg / outcoming dmg?
tired ice
what does ocp stand for again
OPC = Overwhelming Power Crystal, the crit on-use from DoS
mighty valley
oh right
yeah i currently use it for farm stuff
although i just got a meathook, so will have to sim them against each other
craggy pilot
is Aegis even very good in raid?
mighty valley
no
jagged pier
good for any boss with dots
dark lark
its huge on sylvanas
Because of the Banshee Heartseekers or the puddle soaks?
strong forum
both
shut summit
yea its huge for p3
dark lark
Cool. I've been using Scale up till now but it gets eaten fast when I'm cleaning up the next platforms ahead of time
rancid ember
Nome that's from a Sylv kill?
You got any logs on a decent key /w that? Halls maybe?
It won't drop for me 😦
strong forum
You got any logs on a decent key /w that? Halls maybe?
Just check the leaderboards
Check some top logs of highest keys done
rancid ember
True, I'll do that.
Can't believe it did that much on Sylv. Can only imagine the #'s in M+ wow
turbid cipher
Hey peeps, need some opinions. Prot Warrior (currently at 17% haste), got a 226 ring with 164 haste/51 mastery, 37 avoidance. Just got a 239 drop with 136crit/96Vers). Is it still worth equiping even thought it drops my haste to 12%
turbid cipher
Yeah, it felt like to much of a sacrifice to loose haste and the Avoidance
have had terrible luck overall with haste drops
turbid cipher
I would think so, or haste/vers
graceful cobalt
wich is better cor or Dyz socked
modern brook
depends on target count, add cadence, and fight length
graceful cobalt
Raid
graceful cobalt
can we sim prot?
modern brook
for damage only
graceful cobalt
or shuld i do Bek?
modern brook
your first 3 sockets in raid should be whatever set you can activate
if you can do any of them they should be blood
graceful cobalt
and is it worth to downgrade 242 hands Haste/versa to 239 hands with socked ver/mastery
modern brook
short answer is yes
graceful cobalt
ok first i have Kyr for Absorb
graceful cobalt
ok thx
modern brook
if you only have 4 sockets, blood + dyz is likely better, like nom said its kinda good.
but again, sims should be relatively accurate between dyz and cor
graceful cobalt
i only have 2 actually
modern brook
bek dyz probably
graceful cobalt
ok thx
modern brook
i would just sim for damage tbh
the defensive ones are cute but frankly you dont need them
fathom turtle
guys what happens at kt weapon on use?
sweet summit
it changes sheathe position from waist to back and vice versa
fathom turtle
ah ok 🙂
modern brook
does it only work on that mog
or can i use that to finally get a cool swordon my back
ancient monolith
Spiteblade from Karazhan is also a nice sword to have on your back too 🙂
lilac jungle
The mog position does change if you put it in the sheath promotion you want before applying the mog
Promotion = position*
sweet summit
thats kinda cool
bright flax
Sorry to bring weird questions
Does the bloodlust haste also skip haste dr like itf?
strong forum
all % haste gains do
if the buff says %, its a multiplier
if the buff is a haste value, like 250, it counts towards the stat tax as the stat tax only counts values
not actual %
strong forum
same goes for vers, mastery and crit
it counts the stat values
especially in mastery's case the value is the important part
as every specs mastery% means something different
so buffs like Kleia's 6% crit and other crit sources she offers, also dont count towards the stat tax
dense arrow
What's the difference in damage for prot warrior between seismic reverberation and elysian might?
strong forum
seismic does alot
elysian might doesnt
seismic does like 12-13% more dmg than elysian might on 5 targets
hasty onyx
RA guy here again. Guildies are advising me to roll with the wall over reprisal. For a heroic level raider, are they pretty similar? I mean, tons of chad level maxing here, so I just wanted to make sure I asked from within my element.
strong forum
Reprisal is better on basically every fight but Sylvanus ( defensively )
hasty onyx
Also: I did find that i intervene the tank between swaps, and that is a bad idea from what I have been told. I did a search, and cannot find out why.
modern brook
and ( offensively )
strong forum
offensively Reprisal is 100% the winner on every boss unless you are Nightfae
if youre Nightfae Natures Fury is the max dmg legendary
strong forum
^
modern brook
you intervene your cotank if he needs an external and no one has one
otherwise intervene melee
^
strong forum
if you intervene your cotank, you take the dmg instead of him, nullifying the point of a tankswap
so you just intervene somoene else for reprisal benefits
bright flax
It has 2 effects tho no? Do both transit?
hasty onyx
Ok perfect. That make perfect sense. Thanks for all the answers! When I was told not to intervene prior, the reasons I was given was something about it screwing up aggro. But Damage spread makes more sense. Thanks again. You guys are best.
strong forum
intervene doesnt do anything with aggro lol
the only reason could be that your cotank does triple digit dps and youre outdmging him by alot
hasty onyx
🤡 yeah, I fell for the bad adv though. haha
bright flax
Who gets the debuff? from jakeys quote yday to me I think you can intervene tank after he taunts assuming you wont take dmg that kills you because of it
strong forum
🤡 yeah, I fell for the bad adv though. haha
but smart enough to get a 2nd opinion
so youre already better than 80% of all pwars out there
hasty onyx
ha thanks!
blazing condor
got a death god signet with socket
strong forum
huge
blazing condor
question is if i socket crit or not
already at 31% haste with ows but maybe worth to just haste-socket anyway
strong forum
yeah id socket haste
because OWS is like 8%
meaning without OWS youre at like 23%
which i personally think is too low
blazing condor
think i'll do that since i dabble in arms
strong forum
yah
strong forum
i socketed back to haste now since i have like 32% crit without any buffs
but went down to like 13% haste in arms
strong forum
strong forum
ya
blazing condor
21% haste and 27% crit with new ring
but i'll socket crit
and it should be gucci
do we have any way to sim m+ reliably?
id assume there's too many variables
strong forum
we dont
cinder nova
I mean, dungeon slice.
strong forum
no
dungeon slice needs a seperate APL
which isnt maintained by any spec other than rogues
cinder nova
How come it's an option for everyone on raidbots?
strong forum
because every option is always given?
just because the option exists, doesnt mean its maintained
cinder nova
Seems misleading to flag it as an option if you're simming any class but rogue.
strong forum
i mean
pwar didnt have sims for all of legion
i think you could sim it
but it would just spew out random shit
just like every sim but patchwerk does
because thats the only one thats maintained properly by like 99% of all simwriters
cinder nova
Wait, so simming stuff like helter-skelter, cleave, etc. is a waste of time for us?
strong forum
always has been
cinder nova
Bummer.
strong forum
you only sim patchwerk 1-5 targets or however many you want
everything else is a waste of time
for every spec but specifically those that write custom APLs for it
rogue is just the one class where dungeon slice actually works
because people put time into making it work
cinder nova
For the new M+ io system - do you get extra io if you have both fort/tyr at the same difficulty or higher?
strong forum
yes
cinder nova
Okay, so a 20 and a 16 will be less (than two 19s
strong forum
no
strong forum
okay so
67% of your score is determined by your higher key
the other 33% come from the lower key
the difference between 1 key level is around 13 points assuming the same time (on the higher one)
cinder nova
So... wait - question
cinder nova
ngl this system sounds more complicated than last season - wasn't this supposed to make io ups more intuitive? 🤔
I understand it's also supposed to discourage sniping easy weeks
strong forum
its really simple.
do higher keys on all weeks = higher score
1 key level alone isnt gonna make you jump 80 score because that is not an accurate representation
cinder nova
What about a 16 to 19
strong forum
can look at this
the 20 to 21 is 8 score difference cuz both counterparts are 18s
but the 21 to 22 is 13 score differnece because the lower key is 18 vs 21
and here its just 1 score difference because he didnt push his fort key as much
quite simple if you ask me
dense gate
ngl this system sounds more complicated than last season - wasn't this supposed ...
It just feels worse because score is linear now
dense gate
The only time youll get like 80 score from a key is right at the start of a patch when your best is a +5 and you slam a high key
Dunno nom just feels bad that upgrading a 14 to a 15 is the same io increase as like a 21 to a 22 when the difficulty change is so much bigger
cinder nova
<:deswind:533073964096946176>
What dungeon did you just never do?
craggy pilot
is Fueled for Violence rly the best 4th Endurance Conduit? 🤔
rancid ember
It does Foden, but you're just used to the old IO system. People will adjust to the new number system with time
strong forum
What dungeon did you just never do?
HoA
did my first hoa yesterday
still dont have a fort Mists or a Fort Hoa done
sweet summit
what
blazing condor
i really dont know
languid juniper
dont intervene your co tank on rohkalo, this boss is big poo poo
sweet summit
ill take it as a compliment that youre thinking of me
blazing condor
for some reason i think that emote is called that
sweet summit
blazing condor
dense gate
It does Foden, but you're just used to the old IO system. People will adjust to ...
Im sure I will, still think its worse though
strong forum
is Fueled for Violence rly the best 4th Endurance Conduit? 🤔
yes, its tied with brutal vit
both do the same amount on average
unnerving >= stalwart > condensed anima sphere > brutal vit = fueled
inland raft
I like to pretend ip is good with it
strong forum
i got like 100hps out of fueled the key i ran it
obtuse monolith
Brutal vitality could be more “when you need it” healing as it’s when you’re pressing IP. But in group play FbV gives you steady trickle and your healer can do their job in the butt puckering moments
modern brook
for me it still feels nice, i just got 190 score yesterday from 1 key
I got ksm by doing a +2 SD
New system owns
modern brook
Yeah I was 199X with absolutely no SD done lmao
inland raft
That was me with halls had all my teleports besides halls with no halls done for season
obtuse monolith
its literally 6% leech on 30% uptime
I’m not sure I’d see 30% uptime. IP could be gone in a couple seconds even if I were pressing it that often. Or does the buff last if IP is no longer “active”?
brave jetty
New system is actually really good imo
I'm a lot more interested in pushing keys each week as I play whack a mole with my lowest runs in tyr/fort
Cashing in a lot of easy points this week after not pushing as much from last fort week when it was raging
blazing condor
i will say
strong forum
I’m not sure I’d see 30% uptime. IP could be gone in a couple seconds even if I ...
I have 30-40% uptime on my IP.
blazing condor
new system (and weekly rotations) makes running m+ every week more enjoyable
instead of waiting for the "Best weeks"
strong forum
Pretty much everybody I see has 30-40% uptime on IP
Except those that overuse it or its a specific fight where you'd need it
Just because you feel like, that it's gone in a second, doesn't mean that it isn't up for atleast 3 seconds
Ykno
It being up for 3seconds every 10 seconds sounds realistic to me ;)
strong forum
If you have less than that, you're probably overcapping rage, or under generating rage
Mein guy
In my dogshit hoa that I ran, I had 34% uptime on IP and would've done around 6.5-7k dps
If we hadn't wiped twice on bosses
But because we wiped twice on bosses, I dropped down to 6k dps
undone verge
what % verse should I have 239 ilevel?
strong forum
0
👏 vers 👏 does 👏 not 👏 matter 👏
Stop having these ideas that you should have X amount of X stat
It's irrelevant
inland raft
But nom i think my speed is too low
undone verge
I dont care what % exactly I just want to know if im low
brave jetty
In terms of stat weights, that is
inland raft
And looking fab
brave jetty
Stat weights are a thing, lol, the value of your secondaries can fluctuate
At least the simmed values
strong forum
They aren't a thing since legion
Cuz you sim every item anyway
So the weights themselves are irrelevant
Cuz you sim it anyway
You have your general prio list, and then you just sim anyway, it's that degenerate and simple these days
That's why addons like pawn serve no purpose
inland raft
Some people just stuck in ancient paths
brave jetty
I don't follow. Say you're at whatever distribution and your Sims are telling you crit is like 40% more value than mastery for you. You can choose, for example, a ring enchant between those two stats. You're aying it still makes no difference? I don't see how that's possible.