protection

[strong forum]

no

[iron forum]

what i do here is just pull the middle pack after getting the last shard, then cc the two obliterators and pull the 4 groundskeepers + 2 darkblades onto boss using LoS at this point. then once the melee adds are dead, pull the obliterators in. In general i highly recommend pulling trash in with halkias, and the advantage of doing it this way is you get a nice easy 5 pack between the last shard and halkias to recharge cooldowns and doing 2 obliterators + 4 grounskeepers is much much less hectic than pulling the middle pack in with him which is what youll also see people do. the disadvantage is that if you want to grab that stoneborn on the hill, it can be difficult doing it this way

the most difficult part of the pull you linked would just be gathering it up and controlling it

anytime youre mixing casters + archer mobs + melee mobs into a pull you need a good way to group them up

[plush tendon]

you know whats really fun? Do the middle pack with the boss!

[iron forum]

thats what i did most of last season and its usually fine, but it is a pretty hectic pull and ive found doing it this way to be just as efficient and easier to pull off

but plenty of people still pull middle pack in and i don tthink theres anything wrong with it

[plush tendon]

but I do agree; hard to group up packs with too many casters unless you have a DK

[fringe marten]

What addon are people using to display group members or M+ applicants covenants without using a UI overhaul (like elvui)??

[hollow sun]

i just ask in party

[strong forum]

https://discord.gg/acherus

gotta wait for a bit and or get a role

[sweet summit]

yes

[strong forum]

93k members doesnt seem dead to me

but there is likely less traffic because its not a great patch for dks

besides maybe BDK

[patent osprey]

bdk rank 1

WF 27 NW

[strong forum]

huge

[patent osprey]

but bad patch for them :(

also used in many WF raiding

what else does that class want

[strong forum]

compared to CN

its not a great patch for all dks

actually same popularity among dks

interesting

21k

[jagged pier]

this is my life now apprently

[mellow bridge]

idk why prot warrior has such a bad rep

[fringe marten]

I've been surfing for decanter of anima winds from SD..just did 16 SD with almost 15 mins left, almost 3 chested it. I was 7k overall until final boss, and final boss dropped me to 6.8...was clappin' that joint.

[mellow bridge]

i can barely get into 21s and basically never into 22s with almost 2.5k score now

it's just retarded

[fringe marten]

Muyuu you tanking or dps'ing as warrior?

[mellow bridge]

tanking

only key im missing on 21 is SD

so I need 22s for score

but I basically never get invited so my only option is to play my own key pretty much

[fringe marten]

I don't think prot warrior has a bad rep any more, most people realize prot is fine..what it really is, is people have discovered bears are legit cruise control~

[mellow bridge]

on that note, depleted my first 23 key by 2 mins because we wiped on helion + fire guy double pull

because we missed the kick on fire guy

that felt really sad

[fringe marten]

I often see "21/20/22 key...bear tank only"

[mellow bridge]

well that's what I mean

I mean in the end it doesnt matter if people think bear is too good or prot is bad

same result lul

[fringe marten]

on fort weeks that pull is mad spicy~ but yeah I find it amazing how even very good players can tunnel and just miss key stuff (that's why everyone isn't a top 10 raider)

Right..it's that "X option is more desirable..and you are not X"

[mellow bridge]

I can def understand it for some keys

bear in halls is just a different beast compared to any other tank

but in a lot of keys it just kinda doesnt matter...

and I honestly think warrior is better than bear in ToP at least

[fringe marten]

No..you worded that wrong.. "halls is a dumb dungeon now because of stupid buff to 1 mob ability for NO REASON..because blizzard expects every group to have MLG interrupts~"

[mellow bridge]

at least they nerfed it a bit again lol

idk if youve seen bear pulls in halls tho

first pull is like 25% trash count

[fringe marten]

"incarn...Kill all the casters"

[mellow bridge]

but yeah blizz buffing wicked bolts in 9.1 was one of the biggest "???" I've ever had

[fringe marten]

I honestly didn't understand it..tanks were not TOO badly imbalanced but there were some issues

then they tweak some leggos and minor abilty tweaks..and then go "hmm..I think these casters in halls need to be one punch man.."

[mellow bridge]

I actually think tank balance is really good rn

except for incarn/thrash leggo

[fringe marten]

and that's after a nerf to the animated weapon

I haven't seen anything about it but that animated weapon HAS to have been nerfed...it's nothing like it used to be

[mellow bridge]

in SD?

[fringe marten]

yes

[mellow bridge]

well you can stun/fear/etc that

and they wont recast it for ~30s

it's not too bad

[fringe marten]

Right..but when they got the cast off, no matter the key affixes/etc it was nasty, if you reflected 1 and not the other..etc

but now even if I miss a reflect on a 17? tyran last week...was nothing

er..17 fort~

[mellow bridge]

ohh i misread what you meant

i thought you said it has to be nerfed lmao

no idea about that actually, havent tanked them in a while luckily

[shell hill]

are you guys running ravager or fray for tyr?

[iron forum]

my favorite is playing with dps who are used to playing with a bear tank, i ask them to stop animate weapon and theyre just like "what"?

i dps'd for a prot pally in S1 so i know the pain on both sides of letting an animate weapon go off

[shell hill]

also i feel like first boss in TOP is annihilating me, how do you guys manage that one

[iron forum]

what are you pulling onto the boss?

are you jut doing bloodhorn or all 4 mobs

or just the boss

[shell hill]

just the boss, kinda still new to prot

[lofty widget]

make sure you have block up for slam and mortal strike and make sure searing death is interrupted

[burnt pawn]

do i run hammer of genesis for prot in progress raid or what is the rule there?

[strong forum]

i mean think about it

[burnt pawn]

higly boss dependant ig

[strong forum]

a few% haste for a few seconds when you first damage an enemy

not rly good in raid is it

[burnt pawn]

i could see it being not shit for soul if u wanna pad

rn i dont use that tho just looking at logs and saw ppl running it

[strong forum]

the potency conduit would have more value

[burnt pawn]

rin this is what i do but i will swap stalwart

[strong forum]

get rid of that brutal vitality

[burnt pawn]

yh will swap it with stalwart

[strong forum]

and put stalwart guardian there instead

[burnt pawn]

do i use brutal for keys or do i run a different endurance

[strong forum]

condensed anima sphere

[burnt pawn]

oh okay

[strong forum]

i just use the tree thats pinned

cuz i multispec arms and prot

[burnt pawn]

ahh yea i only play prot really

[strong forum]

yeah thats way better

[burnt pawn]

this would bev fine for both keys and raid right and then i swap ashen to show of force for pushing keys etc

[strong forum]

i wouldnt swap out of ashen

for sof

[jagged pier]

u should swap AJ and AAF around

[sweet kayak]

Someone linked yesterday a funny picture of the Primus can you please send it to me 😋

[burnt pawn]

so use AAF for dungeons over ashen then?

[woven bear]

Is it worth it upgrading the scale after ilvl 236 for raiding? Not sure if it's woth 400 valor each

[burnt pawn]

and never use SOF

[jagged pier]

its not a funny picture its the old guy from jak and dxter

[jagged pier]

in m+ yes

[burnt pawn]

okay

[jagged pier]

u only use ashen in raid

and in raid u go left tree

in dungeons u go mid

[burnt pawn]

yea sick then i never have to use energy even

[jagged pier]

and the tree isnt bad for arms m+ ither its not the best be if u main prot and do arms for fun like me

it works fine

[burnt pawn]

yea i dont really ever play anything other than prot anymore never was much of an arms enjoyer

[iron forum]

most important, yell at your dps to interrupt searing death or set a focus kick macro to do it yourself, it does a ton of dmg and diverts your healers attention from you. also make sure you pop a defensive for mortal strike, either demo shout, shield wall or a trink. And save your defensives during lust, you shouldnt need them until its over. Make sure you have 100% SB uptime which you can get by just charging one of the caster bosses whenver they blink away

[shell hill]

That helps a lot, thx. I just did a 13 and it was much better. Few more questions, is it bad to overlap demo and block? And I can’t figure out when it’s worth to spend rage on ignore pain. I use it like when I charge/intervene because I already have block up from that. And would you use ravager on only fort weeks?

I’m kyrian so I already have spear but with fray I just find myself casting too many non proc revenges because I have nothing else up and then I’m screwed when I need block/IP

[primal cape]

i use ravager to start a pack and get some agro

im not using so much IP, if i got too much rage i just spam revenge. I use IP just to ignore some big damages (like all DOS packs inside), dont forget to use stun/fear on cd to get some extra seconds

whats your biggest problem atm ? Damages or cds rotation ?

[plush tendon]

Sounds like rage management issues. Just cause you have rage, doenst mean you have to spend it unless you are capping

[crystal hill]

is there a guide to like general tank mechanics? stuff like moving archer mobs by staying close to them or like how bosses will.move away from you if you get inside their hitbox

i don't have any specific questions and I've learned some things from friends who tank but I'm a brand new tanker DPS brain boy and I'm sure there's stuff i don't know

[blazing condor]

i know NW is a meme but 9k overall as prot made me happy

with only 1 orb

[mighty valley]

I dunno how someone would write a guide like that, it would just be bullet points forever... you'll pick things up as you go if you just ask somewhere like here whenever you struggle with something

[crystal hill]

hey bullet points forever sounds pretty good

[mighty valley]

maybe you can be the legend - every time you learn something new on your tank journey, add it to the guide

[strong forum]

my biggest tip is

when you run past mobs, always look behind you

to check on your group if they ninja smth

happens so often

that people dont know aggro ranges

[jagged pier]

ppl dont know how to hold when your doing a big pull

[woeful trellis]

233ilvl 91stamina 142haste+16haste + 84versa or 252ilvl 115stamina 64 ahste and 194 mastery?

[strong forum]

ilvl

or is it a socketed ring/neck

[woeful trellis]

its socket 233

[strong forum]

looks like a socketed neck

id say the 252 is still better because it has, even if a low amount, haste

but thats a real tough choice because of the socket

theyre about equal id say

[woeful trellis]

yeah thats what i thought.. 😄

[iron forum]

you should always have block up as long as youre taking melee hits since youre playing reprisal so thats not really overlapping cooldowns. You can let it drop while a boss is casting (like third boss in SD their big aoe) but other than that, if you cant put shield block up you need to be kiting or youre going to die. And determine if youre spending rage on ignore pain or revenge just based off your damage intake, if youre being pressured to survive dump into ignore pain, if you feel safe and damage instake isnt high then dump into revenge. always play ravager

[obtuse monolith]

We can socket any neck now though w rep and cinders, right? I mean I’d probably save that for a haste Vers neck assuming there is one, but if you do get a BiS 246 or 252 w no socket it can be added

[strong forum]

there isnt a good haste vers neck

[jagged pier]

think im doing korthia

KEKW

[crystal nexus]

if i look at some logs in warcraftlogs then versa has lost a lot of value anyway

[jagged pier]

it never lost value it never had any

[inland raft]

People just were trying to gear like it was bfa with infinite% vers

[jagged pier]

if anything it actually has more value now as it increase blood link damage

[blazing condor]

just got a phial drop finally

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

i assume phial + ows will be pretty good

don't have sack

but i got like a billion dps trinkets to sim with rn

[strong forum]

i wanna get codex

see how it does

(but you need to do high keys for codex to look good)

so that might be an issue

[patent osprey]

but it has Stam on it

T_T

Stam so bad

[blazing condor]

Plka what's your take on Aegis vs Scale? just curious since you do the higher content

[patent osprey]

I don't have aegis yet BUT from what I can tell watching others use it, it's very good in big pull dungeons - SD HOA DOS NW. But doesn't do much damage at all.
Scale does damage and gives a strong shield up to 5 targets. so dungeons like Mists, TOP, PF, Spires

[jagged pier]

run both and make all dungeons boring

u literally cant die

[blazing condor]

[strong forum]

defensively you only need to get hit 10-12 times during the 8sec window of mythic aegis to outweigh a 5 target 252 scale

[blazing condor]

Thanks! : )

[patent osprey]

I only care about the damage.In most cases the shields are both good enough defensively already

[strong forum]

well then scale wins 1000%

shit actually does around 200 dps in keys at 252....

if you use it on CD

very annoyed at that

[jagged pier]

i dunno depending on dungeon with both im gooing from like 6k-7.3k

[strong forum]

but yeah this is what aegis does, for 8sec youre just immune to damage

[blazing condor]

Do sims take into account ilvl upgrades as well?

aka if i sim a 239 item i can upgrade or whatever

my guess is no

[jagged pier]

u can make it but not by default

[blazing condor]

aight i'll look for it

[jagged pier]

ima just say DoS is stupid ez with both trinkets

[blazing condor]

not that good with simmin tbh

[mighty valley]

yeah just add an item that's the one you have but at max ilvl

[iron forum]

aegis is low key the strongest trink of the xpac so far for m+

in halls its like 10% of my healing

i think it was actually more like 15% in my last run

[jagged pier]

the healign it shows

is already after the reduced damage

[woven bear]

Is there a weak aura or something that helps me with aggro or so? I sometimes just overaggro my tank partner and get the boss again

Can plater show this or so?

[jagged pier]

i mean should plater have changing HP bars

the base base game also shows hgih threat etc

[strong forum]

yes

its wildly broken

in a good way

[blazing condor]

people who are more knowledgable about dps should i just stick to what my sims tell me or are there cases where the sims aren't accurate/traps etc

maybe not right place to ask but

[strong forum]

depends on what you want out of the sim

if its just pure ST, then its going to be correct

[blazing condor]

yeah im thinking pure st

[mighty valley]

it just assumes no movement, forced downtime etc

[blazing condor]

nah i get it

then it seems right

i have a billion different trinket combinations to sim and shit

so just tryna see

but this is for Arms not prot

[strong forum]

phial + something that gives you crit

GG

[blazing condor]

since i got my phial i wanted to see what simmed best

but my OWS and Gland simmed highest

[strong forum]

well yeah

OWS is the best arms trinket in the game

[blazing condor]

[strong forum]

for raid

[blazing condor]

i mostly play m+

as arms

but simming m+ is kinda whack no

[strong forum]

yeah, but OWS should still be very good

[blazing condor]

and gland is just gg?

[strong forum]

its just that haste is a less desirable stat for m+

[blazing condor]

gland proccs crit

[strong forum]

because most of your dmg is spear + warbreaker + bladestorm

[blazing condor]

yea

[strong forum]

so haste doesnt increase that, haste is good for ST

but yeah gland is alright OPC is better

because it lines up with every avatar

[blazing condor]

yeah i only got a 210 opc

so gland sims higher because of that

but i take it phial won't really be that good for m+ arms then

[strong forum]

well its still good damage

250-300dps

OWS+gland is a good combo

but aim to get an OPC

[blazing condor]

yep i'd do that

just tryna work with what i have

not a seasoned arms player and got showered in trinkets

so got like a million to look at

but thanks nom

[keen epoch]

what is better for prot? fae or kyr?

uhm in overall utility for keys

[dark lark]

Fae has higher damage and more mobility

Kyr has uncapped aoe (sq rt scaling) and phial is nice, esp in plaguefall if you don't have a disease cleanse or necrotic weeks

I'm personally kyrian because my group doesn't have a kyrian

But I'd rather be Nf

[inland raft]

Every time i spec prot i miss nf

But then i swap arms and

[dark lark]

NF is ahead of my kyrian arms setup by .6%

Sadwolverine.jpg

[blazing condor]

kyrian arms is incredibly

elysian might

[woven bear]

Is Kleia or Pelagos better for raiding than Mika if I feel I die too often as tank?

[tired ice]

Soulbinds aren't that meaningful that they will consistently save you from dying, that problem must lie somewhere else

[blazing condor]

Yeah soulbind isnt gonna be the difference between life or death there are probably other things you should work on instead

Post a log or something

[patent osprey]

Soulbinds matter! :( I too want help not dying :( help :(

[rotund thicket]

Play necro, so you can die twice 🙂

[sinful stone]

is the nine trinket 7k dmg total absorb

or per hit for 8sec

[novel lotus]

per hit @sinful stone

[sinful stone]

that seems op

it's basically 8sec immunity

[lofty widget]

it is very good

[novel lotus]

8 seconds of God-mode, hell yeah brother

Do you kyrian boys run mikanikos now that he's big pumps

[lofty widget]

yessir

[novel lotus]

I've been playing with the idea of going back to kyrian after spending the last few weeks as nightfae, spear is sounding mighty good now that I'm playing with groups that utilize their cc/interrupts

[dark lark]

But damageeee

[barren socket]

we really cant block anything on the eye?

the phys dot from the add hurts so much

[bright flax]

You can block his speae dmg

And melees, from valkyr add only

You shouldnt get huge dot stacks, can use phial if kyrian to remove

[dark lark]

Also swap boss and add on every deathlink, that'll help

If you have add during the mini eyes, then cycle through defensives/externals

I usually just have my co tank take the angel during p2 because our arms warriors are on that side

[woven bear]

Should I aim for more than 12% versa on mythic if I feel I need more defense?

[mellow bridge]

Your stats don't rly matter much

Just follow the general guideline and look at your play to see why you're feeling that way

[woven bear]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1LnMaj7vdRkxT4Gy https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YdkH8htGVFwg2Mv1 those are the last two of my raids. There are some mechanical fails in them I admit but in general I don't feel very tanky there or I die too much

@mellow bridge

[cinder nova]

77% blocked hits does that to you bud

How are you not basically at 100% uptime on block using Rep and HR

You gotta actually use the legendary, my dude

[woven bear]

77% overall or what?

How did you get this number? 8 have 92% in the last logs nerzul wipes

@cinder nova it's also higher in other trys, isn't it?

[safe thistle]

you got hit for 35k unblocked before you died

[cinder nova]

Yeah, you should have 99.9% basically, keeping uptime on block with HR - Rep is almost autopilot

And the VAST majority of your damage intake is gonna be from melee.

[mighty valley]

when people put themselves out there and ask for help, can we try and be a little less condescending

[gloomy cradle]

Biggest things are prioritize shield slam when running HR, and always keep a charge of charge on cd, use intervene mostly on cd unless it’s needed for something specific

That and taunt swaps should give you basically 100% blocked hits

[rancid ember]

Boys i'm crushing this week. Been having alot of luck with pugs lately.

[stray hemlock]

Wowza

[tame jasper]

Wow 😮 So you got all the good pugs and leftcthe bad for me

[hardy siren]

just switched to Mika - does Forgelite FIlter put Phial on cooldown, or nah?

[worthy karma]

hey guys I'm looking for tips on mist this week. On the first boss on my 18 and my 17 the dps are falling over during the spread thing the tree does. We are catching a majority of the casts. Is there anything I can do to help us kill it.. (pugging) lol

[tame jasper]

Yes

[hardy siren]

unfortunate =/

well everyones playing him now, so I will switch and see how annoying it is I guess =p thanks

[ionic fern]

Use the other route - the knockback one. You only really-really want only 1 potency anyways.

[ionic fern]

Sorry,are you talking about the blue zones it spawns? You should avoid those not catch them? 👀

[brave jetty]

if your DPS is iffy you can start to run out of space on tyrannical on that boss

[cinder nova]

I think he means the casts by Ingra Maloch

[brave jetty]

but yeah, not much to play around it other than pump and kick the boss at the right times to get him moved out of it

[cinder nova]

He spams a bolt

[worthy karma]

Yeah its the pools that swpans our dps were eating them I guess and falling over. The bolts were not a problem lol

[quaint sorrel]

do yall have a typicial priority list for mythic+ ... for AOE max dps and single target

rotation that is sorry

[brave jetty]

AoE = use your CDs on CD, revenge your balls off, maximize reprisal

[ionic fern]

Have you tried telling them to dodge? 👀
Jokes aside - iirc with each cast there will be more and more of those things to dodge so if you drag it out too long it's bound to get messy.

[empty spindle]

Are armour potions worth it ?

[ionic fern]

No.

[worthy karma]

Lol thank you 😂 I’ll tell them pump and pray they got the dps to translation before they run out of stamina to dodge

[candid niche]

If you want armour from a pot just drink str pots instead. Just out of my own nosey sense of curiosity what was it that made you wonder about armour pots in the first place ?

[empty spindle]

Curious

They exist

[candid niche]

Fair enough that’s as good a reason as any

Yeah they seem a bit bait too me don’t think there’s much that’s tuned around needing them especially if you’re playing prot warrior

Dealing with physical dmg is kinda our thing

[primal cape]

love to get kick from group coz im not NF

[woven bear]

Can I get 100% blocked Hits when running AM instead of HR or do people just use shield wall more often then? I see that a lot of people do it in raids?

[jagged pier]

ppl are HR in raids because its 'sims' like 10 dps more which is in the margin of error

there is zero need to be HR in raid

on any fight

[dry spear]

i needed to quick skill for tank. i took those conduits. is this fine?

[ionic fern]

Won't make a significant difference either way - it's fine.

[strong forum]

Looks good ye

[tulip pond]

BUT MEMES @jagged pier

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eD7vuE3xwotGhdM3bBNKgb

[sweet summit]

+45 dps 👀

[tulip pond]

🥵

meme responsibly

[jagged pier]

i dunno how but u sim like 600 dps more than me

so i presume u should be beating me on all fights

[merry ocean]

I tried HR yesterday in raid and it just feelt so good 😀

[strong forum]

The power of wft

But also >elysian might

[jagged pier]

oh i completely missed he was running EM

KEK

i just saw legs and presumed rep

[strong forum]

That's some simpadding right there

[ionic fern]

[strong forum]

Simming more than fullbis gear

[tulip pond]

Rep is on that sim too, I never said it wasn't a simbait sim though

[strong forum]

Rep undersims

Because charge weaving isn't fully enabled

[tulip pond]

Yup

[strong forum]

Just like it isn't enabled on arms sim

[blazing condor]

arms reprisal when?

[jagged pier]

mwahi did fury repisal 2 weeks ago

[merry ocean]

I'm not kidding shield slam generated like 23 rage with the wall lego. Tho I use the wall only on Guardian of the first ones. On other bosses like blocked hits were like 90%+

[jagged pier]

why would u run the wall on guardian its like all melee damage

and u can get 90% without HR

with just rep and AM alone

[strong forum]

I saw 2 tanks in LFR that ran wall + unstoppable force yesterday

That was...

They didn't get the memo that bfa is over

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/dry-heave-throw-up-vomit-gross-ew-gif-4726988

[merry ocean]

I want to have shield wall on every obliterate sunder

[strong forum]

That's why you run AM

[jagged pier]

ive been seeing alot of ppl runnin gUF recently

[jagged pier]

u get that with AM

[merry ocean]

I guess

[strong forum]

AM is literally the same CDR as the wall

For shieldwall

[merry ocean]

Oh nice

[jagged pier]

imagine even having the wall nowadays

[strong forum]

Haven't seen that legendary for half a year

[jagged pier]

i used it on the eye for i think our first kill

that was it

[steel mist]

the moment you are doing the same damage overall than an afffliction warlock on a +13 mists

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

Well that's an affliction warlock on a +13

They can't do good damage on those levels

Literally can't

[ionic fern]

They can..it just means the rest of the DPS'ers need to do like..1k

[strong forum]

[ionic fern]

Which..lets be honest..isn't unreasonable in a +13 pug.

[jagged pier]

[jagged pier]

i havent done a key less than a 15 this season so i wouldnt know but i believe thats true

[ionic fern]

The +2 was horrible already.

10-18 is the range of "I'M THE BEST AND I ONLY TAKE META CLASSES AND EXPECT EVERYONE TO DO GIGAPULLS/DPS"

[jagged pier]

and u can get into keys as prot form 15-19 fine

the moment u sign up for 20

not guardian

go away

[ionic fern]

Yes, but it's literally impossible for you to do keys above 19 as Prot.
There's like a physical wall.

[jagged pier]

🤔

true i guess

[ionic fern]

All the R.io warrs you see doing higher than 20..just a scheme by Blizzard to say "Tank balance is fine".

[jagged pier]

mwahi

the

[bright flax]

Late to the talk, but then ppl wonder why id rather take a healer with 2.4k S1 rating with 300 s2 to a weekly key over someone with 1.8k s2 only rating
More likely the first one has seen some shit and can handle it even if he gets feared everytime varruth casts

The pug world is fun as long as you accept it can become a shit show and just go with it

[merry ocean]

Bois can you heroic leap the slash on first boss in SoA?

[ionic fern]

No.

[merry ocean]

Oh unlucky, ty for the info

[strong forum]

You can leap but it will do nothing

[jagged pier]

leap cringe

[craggy pilot]

It will look flashy

[elfin nova]

Your corpse flying through the air to a safe distance

[wild hemlock]

ugh tanking this week was amazing

i will miss you easy tyran week

[tawdry dirge]

when is it recomanded to switch from AM to HP on keys`?

like what key lvl?

[jagged pier]

never

its literally choice

at any lvl

[tawdry dirge]

some key pushers i did see running it

[strong forum]

It's your own choice to run HR or AM

Both work, AM is generally recommended in keys below 2Xs

And even on high keys it's not make or break to run 1 or the other

[tawdry dirge]

opkay many thanks

[strong forum]

HR is great on tyra bosses because alot of them don't allow you to charge weave, so that's a huge +

But on lower keys it's not at all relevant

[tawdry dirge]

yeah only was asking cause doing my first 19

[strong forum]

Should be aight

[lime urchin]

Just try it!

Like I did, and still leap out and charge in for revenge

😦

[sick sentinel]

theres so many inconsistencies with reflect man

i just did 21 TOP on mordretha

I reflected the whole scythe by taunting just before it

but the bites in the mists in MoTS i still reflect

but they chunk me to 50 %

[modern brook]

i hate when bite reflect only works on scythes, tbh

[lime urchin]

wait what

reflecting bites in mists?!

tell me moar!

[lofty widget]

you deflect the mistveil bite from the stalkers

you can also deflect 1 tick of the spear frontal, althogh thats not as useful

[strong forum]

The bite has to target you though, so often gonna happen to the tank

If ever

[sweet summit]

and im pretty sure you just deflect the dot

which is why it chunks you even if you "reflect it"

[lofty widget]

ive gotten it a few times on me and never noticed my hp dip

might just have mitigated it tho

[sand pebble]

unholy or blood bonus for tanking normal raid? Im 240 ilvl and tank our normal clear on the weekends and just got the unholy bonus this week

[jagged pier]

blood is better

[sand pebble]

cheers

[jagged pier]

KEKW

[modern brook]

Every flip I just hear the demon hunter "errraahhhhh" from the leap

[icy sable]

I've just been getting into warrior after maining Brewmaster since 9.0. Feels like (outside of CDs, at least) Prot has far less influence over their damage intake. Ignore Pain, for example, feels absolutely anemic. I was hoping this was a gear thing, but I'm over ilvl 200 now.
It makes sense that Warrior would be the tankiest class at a baseline, before active mitigation comes in, but I remember Prot AM feeling more substantial in past expacs.
Any thoughts?

[strong forum]

Ignore pain is not your mitigation

Shield block is

[rancid ember]

Fucking lies. Maybe if my Kyrian potion is down tho 😄

[lime urchin]

Ignore Pain? You mean Revenge!

[strong forum]

Prot is the tankiest spec with their AM up

Outside of dh with meta and bear with incarn in huge pulls

Hence why reprisal is by far our best legendary, it offers access to huge amounts of SB uptime and rage generation

[icy sable]

I dunno man, isn't Shield Block just a ~25% increase in physical mitigation? I feel pretty damn immortal with my Celestial Brew absorbs doubling my HP bar

[strong forum]

No

[jagged pier]

no

its like 40% without armour

[strong forum]

Shieldblock with a mythic ilvl shield is like jakey says, close to 40%

All comes down to your shield ilvl :)

Block got a rework from legion to bfa

[icy sable]

Does the % of damage negated by blocking increase with shield ilvl?

[strong forum]

Yes

"block value" is the important stat

[sweet summit]

it increases with block value, which only a shield gives currently

[strong forum]

And you can only get block value from your shield, so getting a high ilvl shield is the biggest priority

[icy sable]

Okay, but even so Shield Block just increases the passive block chance to 100% right?

[strong forum]

Chance

Yes

Value, no

Chance just means if you block or not

Block value determines how much said block reduces the dmg

If you only have a 190 ilvl shield

A block will only reduce dmg intake by like 15%

A 252 shield will do close to 40%

[icy sable]

Yeah, so it's not like Shield Block is a 40% DR button. You get ~1/3rd of that passively, yeah?

[strong forum]

??

[sweet summit]

what

[strong forum]

Shield block guarantees that you block every attack that is blockable

100% block chance

Then you have another stat

That determines how much dmg you block

Which is completely seperate from block chance

[inland silo]

shield block up = near immortal god
shield block down = one shot by nearest rat

[icy sable]

I'm saying that if your block reduces damage by 40%, pressing SB does not increase your mitigation by 40%. It just bumps it up to that from like 15% from your passive block chance

[cinder pasture]

And then there's crit blocks 👀

[strong forum]

You don't count on rng blocks

That's not how tanking works

If you don't have SB up, youre much more likely to die

That's why you aim to have high block uptime

[inland silo]

play it more and you'll feel the difference in damage intake when SB drops

[strong forum]

There is no "passive dmg reduction" just because SB is down

You either block, or you don't

Shield block makes sure that you block

Baseline block chance is 12% + mastery

[stark sage]

so i should stack 100% mastery 😏

[strong forum]

If you don't block, you get 0 mitigation from block

So yes, SB is very much 40% dmg reduction

[icy sable]

This conversation would go much faster if you assumed that I can read

[strong forum]

:)

As long as you get there

And nobody gets toxic

Is all ok

[cinder pasture]

Eh we're warriors, we assume no one here can read. We're not know for our intelligence

[icy sable]

If I'm tanking 7 mobs, my block chance without SB is very much "passive dmg reduction". If you just want to ignore baseline mitigation from things like armor, block, parry, etc, then I don't think we can understand each other @strong forum

[strong forum]

Well, it's rng

And you don't want to rely on rng

Cuz 80% of the time you'll get hit by the blunt force of the hit

Assuming you have your 20% block chance

[icy sable]

It's not about reliance. Many of those dozens of attacks will be blocked

[stark sage]

especially when the failure state of RNG is death

[strong forum]

About 20% yes

[rotund thicket]

why are so many prot warriors take hammer of genesis for dps logs in ST fights? isnt it bad for fights like terragrue?

[strong forum]

Too lazy to swap

[strong forum]

Yeah but as keladan said, if you don't block most of them, you're very likely going to die

[stark sage]

problem is with how tank damage is designed, tanks are paper without tanking tools, and if warrior has a 20% chance to be paper, eventually you'll just die

80% passive mitigation would be very good, and block would feel pretty bland if tank damage wasnt so lethal

you'd just heal up through those 20% hits

[strong forum]

That's like being a monk, and letting shuffle drop

[stark sage]

ye

[strong forum]

Not a good thing to do

[craggy pilot]

when you outdmg priest on NW 17, and get to the last boss with 8minutes left, but still KO the key smh...

[icy sable]

That's the thing though: I don't feel like paper on my warrior. If I don't do anything, my healer can probably still get by.
If I don't do anything on my monk, I'll get buried and the healer won't have a chance.

[stark sage]

then you aren't doing challenging enough content

[strong forum]

^

[stark sage]

if i fuck up my blocks, my cotank has to take the boss from me
or the m+ pack will melt me

[strong forum]

If you do high enough keys, you will notice that not having block up, is going to result into your death really quickly

Not in +15s

[craggy pilot]

thats when you Wall or Aegis 😄

[strong forum]

There you can get by, but it's already noticable

[craggy pilot]

even 17s felt kinda ez

gotta go higher

[strong forum]

Ye

That's the thing with %mitigation like warrior

[icy sable]

There's no such thing as letting Shuffle drop, lol

[strong forum]

You really feel the weight of it the higher you go

[stark sage]

yeah the places where block isnt necessary to survive will feel like a total joke, you literally are a god when those 20% windows aren't dangerous

[craggy pilot]

0 death NW, and then druid dies once on last boss and we fuck the key completely

boss had 10k hp left

[strong forum]

Man... The dps requirement are dropping for keys wtf

2 dps doing subpar dmg lol

[craggy pilot]

that was after we wiped on last boss 2 times tho

Fury was 12k dps before last boss

[strong forum]

That would do it

[craggy pilot]

but ye i guess priest was just there for soothe and MD 😄

should i upgrade my 229 Fused Bone Greatbelt (vers/mast) with valor, or wait until i get haste belt? 🤔

[icy sable]

Anyway I guess what I'm hearing is Shield Block is very significant, especially as ilvl goes up. But Ignore Pain is as it feels to me: much less relevant

[strong forum]

Yes

[craggy pilot]

IP is just a rage dump tbh

[strong forum]

Ignore pain is a defensive rage dump

Not a huge deal

[stark sage]

tbh I only IP to prevent capping, or when taking non blockable damage
otherwise all my rage goes to revenge

[strong forum]

It's mainly used pre-emptively for mostly magic dmg or unblockable dmg, aswell as to avoid overcapping rage

[cyan onyx]

Does Kyrian affect my choice of Ravager Vs. ITF or is that more of a M+ vs Raid situation?

[strong forum]

M+ vs raid

[stark sage]

IP amounts to what like ~20% ehp?, where block is way more

[ionic fern]

That's the play in like 95% of scenarios.

[strong forum]

13% last time I maffed

[icy sable]

@stark sage Well, that policy sounds like it'll certainly help my threat, especially since my weapon is still crap

[strong forum]

Whereas SB is permanent 35-40%

For its whole duration

[craggy pilot]

EHP? 🤔

[strong forum]

Effective health pool

"how much actual dmg you need to take to die"

[craggy pilot]

so is that IP amount / maxhp?

[strong forum]

Just because you have 70k hp doesn't mean you can only take 70k dmg, mitigations come into play

[craggy pilot]

ah ok like that

[strong forum]

Like armor, vers, block, shields like IP

Passive healing

[icy sable]

I bet warriors are loving their Blood set bonus

[strong forum]

Specifically passive healing because if you go into active stuff, it gets way too complicated

I guess IP counts into active

[craggy pilot]

why? it doesnt work other than in raid kekw

[cyan onyx]

Torghast: "Am I a joke to you?"

[strong forum]

Yeah, and in raid its good, but nothing game breaking, dmg intake is low enough

[icy sable]

To Torghast: "Yes"

[craggy pilot]

yes, people actually still do that shit?

[icy sable]

Well Blood is a decent bit of single target damage and self healing, neither of which Prot has a lot of

[cyan onyx]

Wait ya'll don't like to grind the same thing over and over for no rewards

[craggy pilot]

im enjoying my superior Reprisal boots

[rotund thicket]

i did mists 19 and our heal was like perma dead i feel like i spammed too much IP even without a heal:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NCvY73gn2FKf6XVk#fight=1&type=summary&phase=2
any thoughts?

[strong forum]

The healing is w/e mostly

We only care about the dmg

It's a nice to have, but not necessary

[icy sable]

Yeah, I wish there was more tank damage in raids. Most of the real threats are from very predictable bursts, and some bosses are no threat at all.

[strong forum]

That log is kinda bugged for me

I can't properly check your dmg intake

And your rage gained tab is also fucked up

[sweet summit]

its just zoomed onto mistcaller

[lofty widget]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NCvY73gn2FKf6XVk#fight=1&type=summary&source=1 heres a better one

[rotund thicket]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NCvY73gn2FKf6XVk

[strong forum]

Idk seems fine to me

[rotund thicket]

yep since i only care about mistcaller fight

[strong forum]

I don't see any issue, you have 77% blocked hits, which isn't amazing, but not super bad either

Your cpm is fine, could be better

Rage gen same thing, fine but could be better

Same with spear and ravager usage

[sweet summit]

was your shaman afk on that boss?

[rotund thicket]

he was dead like 2-3 times

[strong forum]

Well then there's your issue

[rotund thicket]

i rezzed him midfight

[strong forum]

If your healer is bad

Then you will feel squishy

🤷‍♂️

Nothing much you can do

[sweet summit]

yep

[strong forum]

Your play seems fine

So it must be others that fucked up

[rotund thicket]

kk, ty

[wild hemlock]

wow the mage and rogue got carried haha

did you guys time that!?

[rotund thicket]

yep we timed that

[strong forum]

Man m+ has gotten easy

[jagged pier]

yes

[wild hemlock]

i was on vacation for push week :(((

[strong forum]

I don't play outside of 1 weekly memes

So I wouldn't know

[jagged pier]

every week is push week tho

[strong forum]

Yeah pmuch every week is push week now

[wild hemlock]

this was easiest week weve had in like 5 though

[jagged pier]

🤷

[strong forum]

Well

You're not max geared yet are you

So why care

Lol

[wild hemlock]

trying to get some sneaky teleporters

[strong forum]

Well affixes ain't gonna stop you from doing 20s

[jagged pier]

but then your on summon duty

all the time

[wild hemlock]

meh

[strong forum]

All you need for 20s is people doing more than 8k dps apparently

Lol

[wild hemlock]

i dont do high keys on my warrior but i got a few of the 20s done on ele

spire, SD and somethin else

tanking higher than 17s scares me hahaha

[craggy pilot]

should i spend valor on 229 Vers/Mastery belt? or wait for haste/vers from DOS?

[wild hemlock]

but im only 235 ilvl or something

[primal cape]

hope next week is not a hard week like raging/orbs because you know, being a dps and interrupt/soothe/kill orbs is very hard

[craggy pilot]

im 238 and just did a +17 felt ez as fk lol

[primal cape]

all at the same time

[jagged pier]

i did 17s at 226 week 1

235 is more than enough for 20s

[wild hemlock]

scary for dps main brain

[primal cape]

no inspiring please

dps brain cant focus

[wild hemlock]

i love inspiring as ele. just hex that bad boy

[craggy pilot]

plz just give us sanguine again

[strong forum]

I'd only use valour on rings, neck, trinket weapon and shield

And on 236s exclusively

[craggy pilot]

ye ok

[primal cape]

storms

[strong forum]

Too scarce of a currency to use it willy nilly

[wild hemlock]

i pretty much just tank 15s for friends and my warrior and im sooooo excited to get a juiced power crystal

[craggy pilot]

yea feel like i fucked up using it on a 226 ring or so

[wild hemlock]

on my**

[craggy pilot]

i got every single trinket from DOS

but no fucking belt

[wild hemlock]

i have iqd on my tank lmao

and thats it

[craggy pilot]

dont even use Scale, but i got it 🤷

[jagged pier]

who cares that much about loot?

[wild hemlock]

gimme a power crystal jakey

[craggy pilot]

pretty much every wow player 😄

[jagged pier]

i dont think so

[primal cape]

do you mean this beauty in my last chest @wild hemlock

[strong forum]

I only play for loot

[wild hemlock]

stop it

[strong forum]

Hot

[wild hemlock]

noooooooooooooo hahahaha

do those drop out of vault in tank spec?

[craggy pilot]

+98 force kekw

the force is strong in this one

[wild hemlock]

ugh i wish we all played SWTOR lmaooo

[strong forum]

Opc does, yes

[wild hemlock]

TY

[strong forum]

Wait no

IQD does

But opc is dps only I think

[wild hemlock]

i really gotta go fury for that shit

[primal cape]

just play phial and crystal, who cares about def trinkets

[jagged pier]

arms is a smaller loot pool

[wild hemlock]

i want OPC not def trinket haha

[craggy pilot]

crystal as Prot? kekw

[strong forum]

I mean

[wild hemlock]

the opener pumpinnnn

[strong forum]

It's alright

[craggy pilot]

better go Phial + Sack

[wild hemlock]

is the haste proc from spire still pretty damn good?

[lime urchin]

I looted OPC with prot spec this week

[primal cape]

i was using it before dropping phial

[strong forum]

One of the better ones still yes

[wild hemlock]

i havent gotten phial yet

[primal cape]

the proc is around 25%

if it procs while opening with mikanikos buff

mostly BL each time

[wild hemlock]

i was thinking crystal with AA opener

crits just blowing the screen up lmao

[primal cape]

crystal + korayn lets go

[wild hemlock]

yessss hahaha

[primal cape]

weakest % proc with trinket from spires was 20, better 27

[wild hemlock]

i wish reprisal was damn baseline so we could use other freaking legos in m+ lmao

[cinder nova]

Pretty sure OPC outperforms Phial in M+ simming, especially on Tyr weeks

[wild hemlock]

it would be so fun to have a couple different builds that didnt feel gimped lol

[primal cape]

seismic

[wild hemlock]

even the cov legos are cool/fun

[cinder nova]

Nature's Fury slaps

Does feel extra bad when it bugs or you have to move

[wild hemlock]

maybe in 10.0 they hit us with the reprisal fix lmao

[cinder nova]

If they make Rep base they wont be giving it to us at this level of power

[wild hemlock]

i meant fix the class other ways

so we can remove the bandaid from reprisal

[primal cape]

i feel the mikanikos nerf soon

[wild hemlock]

its not even a bandaid its a straight up heavy bandage lmao

[cinder nova]

True. Just the changes to Rep completely upended how we play

[wild hemlock]

they had to do something. we were a wee bit clunky before it. but to be stuck to 1 lego. barf

[primal cape]

btw theres another tank to nerf 1st 👀

[wild hemlock]

RAWR

[primal cape]

please dont say it

[wild hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-bear-hello-bear-waving-bear-funny-animals-gif-11914445

[primal cape]

+21 GUARDIAN ONLY

+22 BEAR

[jagged pier]

u can blame the great push for that

[primal cape]

im starting 20ish and really start to get decline, was not hapenning before

[jagged pier]

happens

[cinder nova]

Bear is laughably unkillable

Like, it's not even funny

[primal cape]

i tried bear, shame on me

[cinder nova]

Impossible to kill, huge self-healing, huge cleave DPS

[primal cape]

3 tank buttons, 3 tank dps

tried dk too, a bit slow but fun hps

[cinder nova]

BDK is definitely ♿

Kind of a shame, it definitely requires a noodle to play well

[primal cape]

It's fun because i drop this on dk

so i can wait lil percents and in case i have a cr 😅

[glacial ivy]

whats best last talent for M+ i should go?

anger or heavy repri

reper*

[primal cape]

anger

im playing like this atm

someone tried into the fray ?

[craggy pilot]

ravager goes BRRR

[ionic fern]

Yes.
Snap threat goes to hell. Stick with Ravager.

[primal cape]

Im using it to open and it feels great

[craggy pilot]

Avatar -> Ravager -> Charge

is usually my open

[tired cove]

https://gyazo.com/5be63cdf8a95efc8fddc072284526b31

Just spam revenge

[primal cape]

Im using Avatar after charging on pack, why do you use before ? could be a stupid question

Am i seeing a ? Shame...

[craggy pilot]

im just used to using Avatar before anything else because of Arms 😄

want my full Ravager buffed of Avatar

[wild hemlock]

rav does more damage with avatar

[primal cape]

did you play kyrian before to compare overall dps ?

[wild hemlock]

and you lose like .5 seconds of avatar

if that

charge right after ravage

[primal cape]

ill try

[tired cove]

Nope always been NF prob will never go kyiran either AA is just way to good of a utility

[craggy pilot]

i heard NF and Kyr is about same dmg

[tired cove]

3 free interrupts and doesn't put anything on DR

[craggy pilot]

3 free AOE interrupts, ftfy

but spear is strong when bolster, raging, etc

[primal cape]

dont convert me, im a loyal kyrian sir since beginning, and @jagged pier is watching

[craggy pilot]

dont pick based on DPS tho

pick if you want root or silence

vortex or beam basically 😄

we borrowing utility from boomies

[primal cape]

is it perma 3 interrupts with a little cd or just when casting it ?

[craggy pilot]

its actually 4 interrupts then 🤔

[tired cove]

Also no DR

[primal cape]

do you use signature ability ?

[craggy pilot]

soulshape?

[primal cape]

yes

[craggy pilot]

its literally the beeeest

fucking insane ability

Kyr Phial good for Necrotic tho

[wild hemlock]

imo fleshcraft is the best

but fuck necro

[primal cape]

i guess necro could be very nice with a fix team

[craggy pilot]

i kinda wanna make a grp with like Prot Warr, Arms Warr, Enha Sham

and then whatever random shit 😄

[primal cape]

theres monk and arcanes everywhere, pick one 😅

[craggy pilot]

just had Fury Kyrian warr doing 12k dps because of Enha

just think of the DPS a Kyr Arms would do then 😄

[primal cape]

nice

banner has a 2 min cd, when my spear is 40 sec

[craggy pilot]

rip

but you dont have

[primal cape]

the fight against mikanikos haste

idk who win on pure dps

[craggy pilot]

i heard something like NF AA is capped at 5 and Spear is softcapped

but you need to hit like 17 targets for Spear to do same DMG as AA

but Spear has half the CD

[primal cape]

some tests need to be done 🤔

[strong forum]

both are equal dps

literally

kyrian might do a bit more, but not relevant amounts

[craggy pilot]

[strong forum]

theres reason behind why we say kyrian=NF

[craggy pilot]

if only we could be Venthyr for Tyrannical

or maybe thats stupid 😄

[strong forum]

venthyr is a dps loss on ST

[craggy pilot]

oh shit rly?

damn thats horrible

[strong forum]

execute hits harder

[craggy pilot]

looool

[strong forum]

ever since 9.1, execute hits harder

[craggy pilot]

i heard something like they buffed Execute, and forgot to buff Condemn 🤔

hahahahaha

didnt think it was true

[strong forum]

its factual

[craggy pilot]

fucking million dollar company 🤦

but happy it is that way, Venthyr Arms was ridiculously annoying to play

[strong forum]

they didnt really forget about buffing condemn

they just outright didnt

[craggy pilot]

ah ok

still weird

[jagged pier]

multi dollar company

[craggy pilot]

multi dollar 😄 so more than 1 😉

[safe thistle]

yah its not because of AA or Spear but more about the soulbind of NF that are good for m+

[lime urchin]

If only running around with a banner wouldn’t be so awful to do, Necrolords is by far the awesomest covenant. Stupid blue people and scary night flies.

[inland raft]

Blue and vulpera and proud

[distant crystal]

kyrian can fly in their sanctum

case closed

[safe thistle]

👍

[merry ocean]

Lol how easy is Kelthuzad HC. We killed him on first try. 😄

[strong forum]

i mean its heroic yeah

[merry ocean]

Thats peak for me 😄 Last season I killed only 5 mythic

[strong forum]

this is one of the easiest raids in recent years

[rancid ember]

KT Heroic was hard until the Mana Nerf.

You use to have to do deal with 4-5 sets of Icicles, now it's only 3 which is a joke

[merry ocean]

oh

[jagged pier]

if u have shard sets

and stuff

easy

very easy

[merry ocean]

Some are blessed with shard set, Blizzard blessed me with 2 shards of Cor where I can only use one. The movement speed shard, leech shard and some other shity shards, still dont have dyz and Kyr 😄

[jagged pier]

sounds like u have blood set which is bis tho

[merry ocean]

rly?

pretty good

Last raid I got chest

[near pewter]

Thoughts on Shard+Reactive vs Shard+Scale for M+? Im running shard+reactive right now, but just got a scale.

[strong forum]

aegis is better than scale defensively

aegis + scale is absolute overkill for m+

[near pewter]

That's what i was thinking

[ionic fern]

Just Run Shard + Reactive Matrix...double on-use is horrible to play as it is + not even needed.
IDeally you would use Shard + an offensive trinket.

[strong forum]

^

aegis + matrix is dream combo

[near pewter]

Reactive does ~5% of my overall

so its pretty "offensive"

[strong forum]

yes

it does both simultaneously

370dps 370hps in some cases

[ionic fern]

Phial + Sack please. 😦

[jagged pier]

i run that

[strong forum]

i think matrix is better than phial

lowkey

or atleast better than sack

[near pewter]

Matrix "reflected" almost 500k in my last HoA run

519k actually

[woven bear]

Isn't Nerzul a block fight and good for reprisal? The warris on my server play it with the wall and AM on mythic.

[jagged pier]

yes

[strong forum]

alot of warriors play only the wall in raid cuz theyre worse informed

[jagged pier]

everything but mythic slyv is rep

even then it looks like u can use what u want as theres a prot using nature fury on her

[woven bear]

@jagged pier even the eye?

[strong forum]

ignore the last 3

[jagged pier]

i use rep on the eye

[strong forum]

eye is an easy enough fight where you can just go max damage

[woven bear]

Do you also go HR with reprisal or AM?

[strong forum]

AM

HR in raid is just... omega useless

[woven bear]

I like the extra block%

[strong forum]

you have tank swaps

and external CDs

whats the point of more than 80% block

[woven bear]

Can you link your character/logs please?

[strong forum]

i dont raid this tier

[woven bear]

@jagged pier u too maybe?

[jagged pier]

my logs wont help you, all the hc logs are me going for dps

[woven bear]

Ah okay.

[jagged pier]

so u go for defence

[strong forum]

well your mythic logs will suffice

:^)

[jagged pier]

i mean the first three i sttil play for dps now

[woven bear]

I'm just wondering what to do go for and want to compare etc

[jagged pier]

dont compare to me im shit

[strong forum]

<.<

[woven bear]

We progress nerzul right now

[strong forum]

yeah

only 99s

[woven bear]

🤣

[strong forum]

sooo shit

literal top 10 logs

"bro i suck bro"

have some confidence m8

[jagged pier]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/10542519

happy now Nome?

[strong forum]

yes

[jagged pier]

[mellow bridge]

ahhhhhhhhhh

depleted top 23 by 22s because our WW dies 7 times to avoidable aoe

I'm so incredibly salty

[jagged pier]

🤷

[strong forum]

"unavoidable"?

did he get fucked on the caster boss or what

[stone jewel]

running into a wild event on heroic sylv:

does anyone know what causes her to cast heartseeker, not lose her 3 stacks, and immediately heartseeker again?

[mellow bridge]

I said avoidable

as i ncircles on the ground

[strong forum]

oh

[halcyon shard]

Are you blind @strong forum

[mellow bridge]

that he didnt move out off

[strong forum]

yes

[halcyon shard]

are you like @normal zinc and need fucking lenses thick like a desk

[woven bear]

@jagged pier do you call for externals or so when you don't have block up or just shield wall?

[strong forum]

bro we're glasses buddies oaky

no bully

[halcyon shard]

I also have glasses, but garms has glasses

[woven bear]

You have like 82% blocked Hits on nerzul

[strong forum]

that is fact

[strong forum]

not every melee hit is lethal

so you its fine to get hit here and there without block up

[jagged pier]

^^

i could play better

as well

and probably get 90%

[oblique garnet]

[jagged pier]

like i can chargeweave far more

[oblique garnet]

is this the SF quality we have here 🤔

not picture perfect gameplay smh

[jagged pier]

I GOT TO PUMP

[halcyon shard]

yeah smh #protection SF, pick it up

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

yeah only 100 parsers allowed with 100% blocked hits without HR

[jagged pier]

next reset

[oblique garnet]

isnt hr better for damage anyways on ST?

[strong forum]

minimal

[halcyon shard]

Nom hates HR

[oblique garnet]

should be better on NF

[strong forum]

its not that i hate HR, im starting to warm up about the idea of having 12sec of SB at all times

but

eh

my AM

having 3.5min CD on SW is very cringe

[jagged pier]

its within the margin of error on sims

and u loose SW CDR

like its fine

[halcyon shard]

do y'all really sim prot

[oblique garnet]

no

[jagged pier]

apprently

[strong forum]

not rly

[jagged pier]

ppl do

[strong forum]

i havent seriously simmed prot since BoD

[halcyon shard]

Do they sit around being like, "Yo my shield slam does 6k dps while yours do 5.9k dps, rekt" like #arms does?

[strong forum]

na

we get "do need 35% vers for my +10 key?"

[halcyon shard]

lmao

[strong forum]

"i feel squishy, prolly because i have low vers"

stuff like that

[jagged pier]

☝️

[oblique garnet]

no but like youd go dreamweaver on nf with hr adn then you would have avatar for every AA that paired with idk like opc and then youd go full defensive conduits without the covenant conduit