because people cant play this class
#protection
modern brook
it was like that in 8.0
all the way till middle of season 2
and people really were like "thank god ip got buffed"
bright flax
Unviable for m+ some say
inland raft
Obviously they just dont press ip enough, wheres that video guide feom a while back
That claims we nust press ip
patent osprey
have you guys run into people complaining about threat? m+? raid tanking? overall damage? etc.
jagged pier
That claims we nust press ip
that was a long time ago
bright flax
Only praise, wow such damage
inland raft
Nah but i do get a lot of comments about they surprised about how it went with a prot
strong forum
have you guys run into people complaining about threat? m+? raid tanking? overal...
other tank discords legit dont know that pwar can do dmg, thats my experience from being in fel hammer
haughty sleet
Pugs are typically surprised with my Prot damage
jagged pier
other tank discords legit dont know that pwar can do dmg, thats my experience fr...
this
patent osprey
Sorry im asking because in the titanforge podcast tonight were gonna talk about what the community thinks about prot war
trim bay
what is considered good damage at the memoment?
jagged pier
skyhold weekly Nome?
strong forum
what is considered good damage at the memoment?
6k+
patent osprey
and I don't think i pug enough
jagged pier
Sorry im asking because in the titanforge podcast tonight were gonna talk about ...
same they always did we suck
at least what i got told today trying to pug
strong forum
i dont pug ever, i only know what i know from here
wild hemlock
have you guys run into people complaining about threat? m+? raid tanking? overal...
inital threat before i even get the mobs grouped for AA. bonehead dps
modern brook
your not a druid
honestly this has been warriors problem since shadow lands
"not a dh"
"not a druid"
in 8.0 "not a dk
haughty sleet
Havoc
strong forum
patent osprey
Was there any major misconceptions early BFA?
modern brook
LMaO
strong forum
absolutely
jagged pier
yes
strong forum
worse than 9.0
jagged pier
apprently we were aweful
modern brook
IGNORE PAIN
strong forum
"literally an unplayable tank"
jagged pier
^^
strong forum
8.0 was 10x harsher than 9.0
modern brook
very often i was 1st or 2nd in dps
strong forum
in terms of community perception
bright flax
"literally an unplayable tank"
This, until 8.1 then community perception happened
mighty valley
i do see "no utility" a lot still
mighty valley
i guess death grip, BoP etc are sexier than a raid-saving cooldown
strong forum
8.1 took a few months until people noticed that pwar dmg was dummy thicc
modern brook
its time to clap
haughty sleet
To be fair grip/gorefiends is huge this tier
bright flax
As huge as last tier imo
modern brook
"war isnt good because it lacks utility like grip"
bright flax
Has some uses, you can also live without it
modern brook
as if our raw numbers werent absolutely horrendously over tuned
and all you had to do was press shield block
bright flax
Ah other misconceptipn i get a lot: you should just play necro
modern brook
lmao whos saying that
bright flax
For a 4k world rank guild ye ofc
modern brook
just sounds like greed not a misconception lol
patent osprey
I mean BFA prot war damage came from Bastion of Might x3 + OLD AM + Bolster
jagged pier
yer that was 8.1
strong forum
and old UF
modern brook
I mean BFA prot war damage came from Bastion of Might x3 + OLD AM + Bolster
Prot warrior fucked way before that
UF was nerfed by the time BOM came out
strong forum
lemme pull up the archives
jagged pier
we still couldnt die before that though
trim bay
freehold?
modern brook
hang on I'll see if i can find my B VALUE
patent osprey
how do u guys find SS from bfa....
trim bay
as long as it wasnt kr lol
strong forum
jagged pier
i still have my ghunn kill
strong forum
all i have to do is check the months
jagged pier
with IP on the GCD 
modern brook
this is me surviving 3x bestial smashes on grong with ~40-60% ;eft
strong forum
thing is
if people had known about pwar more
and figured out the reflect stuff in s1
jagged pier
i used to take take far less damage and not die as much as my dk cotank in uldir
strong forum
BDK wouldnt have been
lowkey, BDK wasnt that dominant in BFA s1
it was moreso bandwagoning
patent osprey
mmm
strong forum
the only thing
strong forum
ye but BDK still did fuckall dmg
bright flax
But majority of player base still has the thought that tank dmg doesnt matter. People were happier last tier with me taking purgatory instead of RT
bright flax
Youre a tank, you need vers, you need defense. Look at that awesome armor trinket
strong forum
But majority of player base still has the thought that tank dmg doesnt matter. P...
purg is a dead pick since BFA tho
jagged pier
Youre a tank, you need vers, you need defense. Look at that awesome armor trinke...
I WILL FIND U 
bright flax
Tank communities are a niche to some of their best players, but most people has no idea tanks discuss damage
modern brook
but 90% of the time they're hot trash
strong forum
modern brook
UF was nerfed by the time BOM came out
@patent osprey this was a lie :^( I was thinking it was nerfed to 50% then to 30% but they SAID they were going to 50 THEN did 30 right away
modern brook
mine too
simple mural
Warcraft logs toying with my heart.
raw gyro
Any difference between kyrian and nf for pugging?
bright flax
Any difference between kyrian and nf for pugging?
Abilities and shade of blue
chilly brook
No
No matter how much I try to get away from this class
It always pulls me back in
modern brook
👀
chilly brook
Median performance is a meme
modern brook
weird we dont have death grip
modern brook
3/10?
chilly brook
Yeah
modern brook
absolute cheater tbh
chilly brook
Fax
chilly brook
I honestly only care about FFXIV and raiding in wow
modern brook
but my guilds dead and finding a new one is impossible
simple mural
I'm only still hosting my raids because people keep showing up.
chilly brook
Honestly I'm enjoying 9.1
But I just can't be bothered to engage in the game too much outside of raid
Too many systems that work against me
So I'm a raid logger and maybe sometimes a key boi if people want to do 18s-20s
But if none of that is going on I'm becoming a weeb and watching an hour and a half of story cutscenes in FF
modern brook
im in the same boat mostly
but i dont have a guild
SO i raid log for nothing
:^(
tried to pug 😬
modern brook
keep lookin then 😎
modern brook
the guild ive been progging with has a wft group and its fuckin heavenly
bright flax
I've heard about some sad meatgangs
chilly brook
I'm jealous
I want WFT
One of our healers brings his bootleg shaman to heroic sometimes and I get WFT and it's so good
modern brook
Wind fury totem
orchid sleet
Hey guys kinda new to tanking curious as to why people take ravangerand some take into the fray do people take fray when they dont make a certain haste point or whats the reasoning behind it
chilly brook
Hey guys kinda new to tanking curious as to why people take ravangerand some tak...
Ravager for keys/multitarget
modern brook
ITF is more damage in st
orchid sleet
ohhhh okok
modern brook
Ravager is more in aoe
orchid sleet
thanks guys
modern brook
That's about it
chilly brook
ITF for raid/single target
chilly brook
Although some people might just sim higher with ravager, there was a small spat in CN where I did
orchid sleet
okok
modern brook
Our potency are kinda shitty
strong forum
the only potency you care about is your covenant one
modern brook
If you're kyr or nf take those are bis
strong forum
unless youre venthyr
modern brook
For ven you take sof because poor condem
modern brook
Lmao yeah sure go for it
chilly brook
My BDK cotank hated me on denathrius when I went Venthyr and was hitting back to back crits with ashen
Although now theres literally no reason to play Venthyr
modern brook
Laughs in necrolord
chilly brook
Laughs in necrolord
bright flax
if I realize my guild has no shot at CE and I get done with M+, I'm totally going venthyr. idgaf
jagged pier
You take Ashen
i keep forgetting to switch to middle mik this week in keys
so i keep taking ashen
bright flax
its a game, gotta have fun
jagged pier
^^
blazing condor
honestly i had one good key as Arms and now i have no mood to do m+ as prot
modern brook
I made that choice In early 9.0
Last time I tanked was like 8 dungeon nerfs ago
I keep saying today's the day I come out of retiremenr
Pug a single key
And watch every fucking idiot fail to do basic tasks
Retire him for another week t.t
bright flax
I just enjoy tanking 🤷♂️
jagged pier
i do as well
but not when pugging
and the key falls apart
and the tank gets blamed everytime
shell fox
pug high keys then
bright flax
lol, bad route, shit tank, /leave
chilly brook
I just find continually getting nerfed or not being allowed to be powerful and overtuned dungeons and boring as hell mechanics in raid just not fun anymore
So now am dps boi
Unless I absolutely need to tank
young oasis
Salvaged Fusion Amplifier good for DPS? I see its 1st on bloodmallet
jagged pier
its alright
chilly brook
Salvaged Fusion Amplifier good for DPS? I see its 1st on bloodmallet
Sim yourself
jagged pier
but i would trust bloodmallet all the time
a lot of top prots arent using it
and using sack and phial instead
its great if u are in the windfury group though
young oasis
Ok, tyvm
modern brook
Biggest issue with sfa is its on use
bright flax
sack and phial, if only it dropped
modern brook
And most ppl are running aegis or scale already
jagged pier
not in raid
shell fox
i keep thinking Griff is asmongold
bright flax
I got my 252 phial
the fact that mouse over on the message makes asmongold dance was the last nail in this coffin
jagged pier
yer asmons gunna spend time in here 🤔
bright flax
I'm out to raid. lets see if I can remember to not SB on eye
chilly brook
Kekw
shell fox
chilly brook
I feel like I take less damage as fury than I do as arms
But I have a better defensive in keys as arms
modern brook
That was made in legion
When enrage made you take extra damage
Tom of soakgares and cof
oblique garnet
I feel like I take less damage as fury than I do as arms
Not relatable, did one key with korayn had to use personal every pull
Atleast with arms i have parry
chilly brook
Not relatable, did one key with korayn had to use personal every pull
Oh it's definitely the opposite in keys
In keys if you snag aggro as arms you just pop DbtS and laugh
But ripping aggro aside fury feels more sturdy, although I'm probably just shitty when it comes to using defensive stance
oblique garnet
In raids warrior has so many abilities to use before being forced to go dstance
Big defensive from shout
SR
IP
oblique garnet
Well as fury you have 10% passive dr
fluid wraith
anyone know if you can leap over chains on painsmith?
shut summit
you can
fluid wraith
what about balls? i know you can do spikes
shut summit
you can i just found it not super reliable
fluid wraith
interesting, thanks!
median tulip
In keys if you snag aggro as arms you just pop DbtS and laugh
DBTS also works on Spiteful Shades
modern brook
DBTS also works on Spiteful Shades
Which is bullshit cause evasion doesn't
modern brook
Cries in never restealth
blazing condor
Dps checks out
blazing condor
Lol
Boomies are spergs
Some real good
Some reaaaal bad
Thinking they real good
modern brook
I mean that's not fair to boomkins
Fotm rerollers are shit no matter what the fotm class is
You just tax them for playing meta specs when you look at their io
Like a 2500 fire mage in season1 is really an 1800 fire mage
blazing condor
Big true
strong forum
double imortal trinket in dos aint that bad
for an 18 thats some awful dps
from the dps
rogue is aight, could be better tho
maybe i shouldve joined afterall 
jagged pier
for an 18 thats some awful dps
Im aware still timed it tho
But that being said no md, couldnt go massive pulls
Just mad i got fucking fate twisted in weekly quest
strong forum
Why did you go prot
jagged pier
I forgot to change
strong forum
You already have weppy, shield, Trinket,
jagged pier
The only thing i need is a helm
jagged pier
Ye
raw void
get aotc and quit, got it
strong forum
This
jagged pier
This
shell fox
This
cerulean wyvern
what about balls? i know you can do spikes
you can do balls reliably if you jump first before you leap. just give yourself a few blocks of distance between you and the balls before you jump
fluid wraith
you can do balls reliably if you jump first before you leap. just give yourself...
ty
cinder nova
...hmmm
Bloodmallet is saying Mik is parsing higher ST with Rep than Niya 🤔
How bullshit is Bloodmallet?
sturdy trench
its not
mikanikos is broken
niya is not
the capstone soulbind for mik alone is something like 5% on ST
thats more than burrs already
cinder nova
How come before it was simming below Niya?
Were early sims just completely undercutting it numerically or?
Like - this is before we even had the final row
fluid wraith
double imortal trinket in dos aint that bad
mine was only a 15 but felt good to go full monkey
cinder nova
This
Help me UNDERSTAAAAND
Fuck it i'mma sim it
See how it compares to Nature's Fury
I'm sus af
fringe marten
WOOO...when you use that death bound shard item to upgrade a conduit towards 252 and you get...reduce shockwave cd by 9 sec... =\
fluid wraith
WOOO...when you use that death bound shard item to upgrade a conduit towards 252...
oof
idk if this is common knowledge or not but you can use an invis pot and still interact with the engineering button in dos mechagon
i knew class specific stealths worked but never had any confirmation for invis pot
old flame
Trying to map out the taunt sequence for HC Gaurdian is it Sunder (T1)---OblitX2 t2 sunder?
or does t1 take an oblit after the sunder and then the taunt swap happens
tired ice
Obliterate gives you a debuff that increases obliterate damage by "you don't survive the next one" %
I think it was 1000% or something crazy
T1 takes Sunder, T2 taunts after the first obliterate cast has started
Then T1 takes the obliterate, boss switches target
old flame
so sunder-->oblit for t1 then Oblit-->sunder for t2
tired ice
Exactly
old flame
and oblit is one of those target locked when cast starts abilities so t2 can taunt as soon as oblit 1 starts
correct?
tired ice
Yes
old flame
awesome
tired ice
You should do that as he casts second obliterate immediatly after finishing the first one, there's practically no time inbetween
tired ice
You should be able to, but he does hit like a truck
old flame
so back to t1 after?
tired ice
Me and my Guardian cotank swap inbetween to make the most of small defensives, we just call a taunt when one feels like he's gonna take too much damage
Also, we have fixed positions for the obliterates so he always takes the first one to make the whole mechanic more consistent for the raid
old flame
right, and half and half on the splits generally yes?
tired ice
What splits?
old flame
the raid for oblit absorbs
old flame
turtle?
tired ice
Turns out, Turtle gives immunity to obliterate
NOT sunder though, our hunters found out the hard way
old flame
so one each?
tired ice
...and then they randomly die, noone soaks, Al'ar pops on both tanks and you get asked by your RL, and I quote, "Why are our tanks still alive?"
old flame
nice
tired ice
Also a tip for Guardian: As soon as the tank sequence is over, he doesn't do anything special, so be proactive with moving him to the edge of the next circle, that gives the raid a lot more time to position correctly for the pillar phase
near pewter
What trinkets would you recommend for Heroic Sylvanas? Scale and reactive? Scale and Shard?
fluid wraith
anybody got a good simple potion weakura? (just tracks cd, shows when its vailable, shows duration)
tired ice
What trinkets would you recommend for Heroic Sylvanas? Scale and reactive? Scale...
Shard is amazing on Sylvanas, her Heartseeker is actually 6 hits (3 shots which are made of a phys and a magic portion) and it reduces the DoT on top
near pewter
Shard is amazing on Sylvanas, her Heartseeker is actually 6 hits (3 shots which ...
So scale and shard then probably?
tired ice
If you don't mind two active trinkets, sure
near pewter
Correct me if im wrong, but i would just be using them on heartseekers?
And Anger managment would be better than heavy reprecussions do to not much physical dmg?
ocean yoke
ive been rocking shard and reactive defense matrix on sylv
fluid wraith
i played HR on heroic sylv
probably couldve gotten by without it but not having to worry about sb uptime is nice
especially when you need to run out for arrows
brave jetty
Do the slimes before boss 1 in PF prompt bursting? They do, right?
I forget this literally every time bursting comes around.
sweet summit
they do
cinder nova
They do pretty much every mechanic.
next pebble
Hello
I've started a challenged Mythic 20+
so.. What is Prot war appropriate Haste rate?
Please understand that my English is not good because I'm Korean.. 🙂
next pebble
Doesn't priority stats exist?
cinder nova
You asked about what appropriate haste rating was for a +20, that's a lot different than a stat priority.
We have a stat priority, yes, but we don't have any stat that requires you to be at a certain percentage in order to be functional.
From the #268491842637660160
**Q: **How much of <insert stat here> do I need? How do my stats look?
A: You do not need a certain amount of any particular stat, nor do you need or want a certain distribution of stats. You simply want the most amount of total stats possible. That means going for item level.
In terms of stat priority, it looks like this...
General Use
- Item level;
- Haste;
- Versatility;
- Mastery;
- Critical Strike.
Mythic+
- Item level;
- Haste;
- Versatility >= Critical Strike;
- Mastery.
ocean yoke
when someone doesnt have 934 haste
next pebble
Thx!
It helped me a lot!
cinder nova
How the fuck do I sim EM and Mik if I don't have it? 🤔
obtuse monolith
ive been rocking shard and reactive defense matrix on sylv
Since we’re on the topic: 239 Shard (Aegis), 233 OWS, 226 Matrix. Since you can only run two, which on which raid boss? OWS and Matrix other than Sylv?
obtuse monolith
226 fusion amp. Haven’t really m+ much this season
And rack fragment and whispering shard (which I might just vendor. Hate it)
Anima field emitter w speed but it’s 210 from a +2
ocean yoke
ive been running matrix on everything tbh, m+, raid all bosses
i would say ows and matrix for everything but sylv maybe since shard is really nice there
obtuse monolith
Thanks that’s what I was leaning. Matrix damage (& reduction) really adds up over a fight
Pally got the 239 on our guardian kill so I’m next in line for upgrade too
maiden ravine
rip, go from 2 chesting a key to deplete because a high mage focused on his rotation too much to do mechanics
"Sorry, I'm smoking weed"
Clearly bought the 15 wake he did
cinder nova
@steady karma Is there a cheatsheet somewhere for SimC where I can write in binds and a specific legendary so I can sim combinations that are limited somewhat by raidbots?
cinder nova
mikanikos is broken
Figured out how to sim EM + Mik and NF + Niya
These are the results.
That's generic 5m ST patchwerk
Testing Helter Skelter.
cinder nova
Just get better rng 4hed
fluid wraith
has anybody had issues with getting one shot by the tank debuff on m painsmith?
sometimes it does like 20k dmg sometimes it insta kill me
maiden ravine
Grr, others are getting hymnals today but not warriors
fluid wraith
if anyone is curious i figured it out
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/painsmith-raznal-double-casting-instrument-of-pain/297586/7
so if you run with a blood dk make sure they dont use rune of spellwarden on painsmith
rare prism
Coming back to prot after.. several.. expansions (WLK was my last tanking expansion), None of the guides mention dodge, should I assume that there is simply no way of getting it anymore?
sturdy sable
Not unless your an agi tank or some niche ass trinket gives it
rare prism
I figured the agi tanks would probably have an equivalent of riposte
But dang, no more dodge, that's gonna make it hard, if not impossible to mit cap isn't it?
sturdy sable
Yea we don't have a mit cap anymore
More is better/all you can get
No defense rating either
rare prism
Ah well, versatility it is then i guess XD
sturdy sable
Naw dawg
If you scroll up some someone linked the stat prio/ reasoning
No amount of vers is going to save your life
cosmic pasture
you guys reckon 252 power crystal vs 226 fusion amp for dungeons
tender imp
fluid wraith
we running Niya right?
usually yeah, korayn is good on some bosses and keys if u wanna do more dmg
fringe marten
YO..
Whoever..is the person, or person/s who makes and updates weak auras is a GOTDAMNT GENIUS
Crafting the leaper legendary for painsmith; and was hoping I could make a WA based on weather or not a specific item was equipped and they have a specific item ID thing for the lego's...FKN.. coding GENEUZES
(I'm doing it in the hopes it's enough to get me through with 1 or 2 bops, and NOT have to swap to night fae)
tawdry dirge
we want spear conduit in the empowerred one righht?
strong forum
Yes
tawdry dirge
merci 🙂
fringe marten
..then you gotta' run auto phial mangggg... 😐 but yeah empowered condi's are stronk
tawdry dirge
yeah i thought the auto phial is bad but u kinda get used to it
strong forum
9/10 you don't use phial anyway
fringe marten
hmmmmm.... I know it's not the chan for it but maybe someone knows before I just science it? If you set up a WA trigger with <= # charges, then add the text to return charge #, will that just dynamically show charge count/cooldown?
fringe marten
There's a seperate charge counter %charges or something? in the text format options
I'm just gonna' try it out...otherwise I'll do what I always did, make 3 different wa's stacked up.
strong forum
What do you even want to make a WA for
Would make it easier than just obscure description like charge or %charge
fringe marten
Leaper leggo, to replace my heroic leap WA (I don't use wa suites or custom ui's, I have a large WA suite I've built up over time that I use I've made all myself)
strong forum
Just make a generic heroic leap WA and on display just add 1. Text for stacks
Done
fringe marten
That's what I..bro..you killin' me~
strong forum
What else should there be?
fringe marten
LOL I'd never done a charge based one; my shield block WA uses some heavily edited/stacked icons and such for each one, then active block tracker...Didn't add charge tracker because I didn't realize how to do it. So when I went looking for "I wonder if there's a way to display charges.." I noticed in the text formatting options that it was already premade...then I fealt stupid.
strong forum
:^)
blazing condor
Tmw gang
fringe marten
what's up stuffe?
brave jetty
does ashen only display during the 1st couple of seconds still?
fringe marten
(got it all set up now, for using leaper leggo, and then anything not that..got a timer and charge counter)
brave jetty
I feel like I never fucking see it
jagged pier
u can see it for the whole duration the animation is just turned down
fringe marten
It's bright/noticable? when they first dump it..maybe that's just because it's splashing red all over..but then it either fades a bit..or ? maybe your eyes just adjust to it.
brave jetty
I think my colorblindness just fucks me on it
fringe marten
Ok I guess it does just diminish the alpha on it?
brave jetty
anytime it's on green ground I never fucking see it
jagged pier
u should be able to see the streaks on the the ground
brave jetty
all my animations are fully up
fringe marten
Batshark, the worst part is..it's not actually as big as the graphic displays.. That's why there's a weak aura some people use to tell you if you're in ashen hollow or not.
brave jetty
i deliberately look for it and it's super faint, i only ever seen to catch it when the pally has a macro announcing it or something
fringe marten
But yeah, when they dump it initially it's pretty obvious but then I think the alpha on it auto reduces to blend in a bit with ground...it's a good thought but? Since every paladin in the world now LIVES for that ability if you don't put it where they want the mob/or you pull it out of ashen..they lose their mind.
(our raid leader is a HPal..imagine how many times a night I hear "ashen..just double ashen this (other paladin) it'll carry the phase..ashen here..bring the mob into the ashen.." literally 50x a raid night.
hah ! man I forgot how awesome triple leap was.. It's just a legit FUN leggo to use. Hopefully it'll help alleviate some of the stress on painsmith now.
jagged pier
theres stress on painsmith?
fringe marten
shut up fairyboy
jagged pier
eh?
brave jetty
yeah leaper is fun
i always look forward to legacy content since it's part of my speed set lol
fringe marten
Jakey I thought you were fae?
fringe marten
oh..well some of the spots where you're VERY tight between spikeball walls, and outward growing spikes..or in p3 when the overlap where the spikewall hits and you need a bop to get through to dump the weapon off..
our chained players sometimes cross the spike floor and hover in that area..so I'm literally locked in and need a bop from one of our pallies to get through.
so instead of trying to call bops on the fly or worry about it; we'll try leaper leggo..and then I'll go fae if I have to.
brave jetty
I haven't done mythic PS - does the bad ball spawn overlap from p1 happen in p3 on mythic or something?
jagged pier
havent done it ither but i thought u just get bopped at that point so i didnt think it was a big deal
maybe it is
fringe marten
the timing of the fight basically works out so that in phase 2..and then 3 the ballwall spawns closer to when you have to drop off weapon..and then in p3 at one point..a couple seconds before; IE forcing you to go 'through' it
Jakey because it's a 50/50 if the wall spawns near you, it can create a situation where you're working in a TINY space as the spikes grow outward..the issue occurs if your DPS with chains, hover IN there.
instead of staying OUTSIDE and crossing in later.
you literally get blocked..so you get bopped, or die (and I've tried both cheat death trinks and often the overkill damage is too high, so that's just a waste unfortunately)
(the OK damage is so high due to blackened armor being on you, otherwise it'd be easy to cheat)
fringe marten
So..solutions are: go night fae, or be able to leap in AND then insta leap out once you pop your hammer wave.
I do too, but the dps pally is dead often..and the other is the raid lead/HPal who's out of range and would have to move etc.
It's just SO SO much easier if it's a mechanic you can simply manage on your own, and get pre bopped for like ONE event later in the fight.
There's a reason sense changed to nightfae explicitly for that fight; he has 1 pally so he got his 1 bop at the point where you basically have to have it, or blink across at the last second.
So I'm trying to avoid that.
Don't want to leave superior Blueman Group peoples~ They have my Owl Bae~
So we're just getting 2 renown a week until....next tier?
mighty valley
Same as last patch
fringe marten
yup.
so looked at the end of the renown tree; we only get up to the 6th row of conduit enhancements per soulbind. What I'm wondering though is..that conduits we can PLACE in, since these first ones don't enhance the 'starter' abilities of any tree.
So is it 6 of the swappaple rows down?
mighty valley
It’s just all of the conduits, not the fixed traits
fringe marten
Right; would make sense since 6 would be 'all' the swappable slots.
mighty valley
There aren’t scaling item levels on the traits
maiden ravine
we have 18 renown, or only 9 weeks to go.
blazing condor
Crazy what dom sockets do
Just looking at my parses yesterday compared to last week when i didnt have set
I also have 2 extra shards outside the sets
fringe marten
All things considered jakey; if you don't have Leaper boots made; I'd have 'em in your pocket for painsmith prog if you are intent on staying kyrian.
yeah any fights with adds you get the boost for 20 sec; even remnant etc.
One of the dps in my guild didn't realize that and wasn't running it along side the perma 1.5%~ one.
Kyle do you think we'll get ALL the rest before next patch? (I guess right? they don't add the new stuff until the UI elements update so you can see it)
fringe marten
What fights does the cor shard just not help? Terragrue..MOST of the 9, hmm? half'ish? of the eye?
jagged pier
the nine u get it as pull and when boss comes down
so during lust ither way
tarragrue nah
fringe marten
Right, so..'most' of the fight though.
fringe marten
Yeah guardian too.
But then..remnant bombs, the eye adds (any of hte adds), adds on Soulrender...and those are frequent.
spike balls on painsmith
fringe marten
yeah fatescribe, KT ice pillars..even if you don't touch the other adds..plus the 'real' adds.
fringe marten
yeah; which is why I always run it..the only fight I use Kyr shard (absorb shield) so far, is mythic eye...those lil eyes are angry.
fringe marten
our healers too seperated/etc or weak? dunno which..
so I still play defensively for eye
fringe marten
But you definitely don't have to play defensively on painsmith..'tanking' the boss himself is a joke; that entire fight is mechanics management.
blazing condor
Thanks jakey
fringe marten
I made EM boots for like normal raid parsing fun..and it just ended up being underwhelming..even paired with an overwhelming power crystal.
jagged pier
atm the sims are a bit borked
u only charge on HC cd
not on charge cd
like it used to
so it shows rep as less daamage
lavish oracle
The default profile has like 0 crit
jagged pier
yes
but read what i said
in sims
u charge
less than u actually do
in practice
so repisal sims less
than its actually does
lavish oracle
K, so sims don't work for either of them, just try them out
maiden ravine
Pleasantly surprised that necrolord isn't super far behind
jagged pier
as we keep saying anything is viable
maiden ravine
That said 6% difference between fae and necrolord, I'm gonna assume with good positioning that could be made up by buffing a mastery dps
blazing condor
Nec- 🤢 necr- 🤮
maiden ravine
If I can play Venthyr warrior, Necro druid, and fae dk, I'm sure I'd enjoy necro warrior too
But that would mean playing two warriors and that purely be for transmog and lulz
brittle owl
Theoretically necro is the most raid dps yes
too bad there are no raid dps parses
suck it necro warr
lime urchin
I wish I could play optimal enough to make covenant differences matter 😦
brittle owl
but if you play optimally enough, then covenant choice wouldn't actually matter anymore
🤔
strong forum
^
fringe marten
6% huh? That's kinda' wild...any competitive raid dps will swap covenants for a 1 or 2% difference.. Prot war "more raid dps? meh I don't like it.."
More than just the damage boost from it; the resource gain from the 20 extra rage per charge is flexible as well, as both a damage bump or half an ignore pain or..whatever you need it for..maybe another shield block? I like reprisal..a lot, I like the idea behind it, I dislike that it adds more crap to my plate to fit in/worry about.. No matter how much folks want to downplay how 'easy' it is, there are plenty of times in keys and in raid where I really don't wanna be intervening anyone or even bothering to keep that in my brain..I just wanna stand n bang so I can have cruise control and worry only about upcoming mechanics/whatever.
But it also happens to go into a 'major' armor slot that doesn't have a dom socket so it also has the ADDED benefit of being a very efficient/desirable legendary slot at the moment. Can't wait until 9.2 when this shard system is made moot..because I love spinning my wheels for nothing.
strong forum
1 of the reasons why so many people are quitting the game
Treadmill after treadmill, systems to be abandoned 6months later
jagged pier
i loved when they said no new systems this expansion
fringe marten
Wait..wh..when did they say that?!
jagged pier
before the start of the expansion
fringe marten
..they must be trying to hide behind some DANK political double speak; or ..that word doesn't mean what they think it means?
jagged pier
but i think they realised their base systems didnt work
so expanding on them like they promised wouldnt have been good in their eyes i presume
but i dunno
thye could have fixed them
fixed torghast and made it fun
fixed class design
instead of shard
would have been great
fringe marten
What just murders me is this...conduit system? it's fine..don't limit swapping conduits to 'just' your covenant base, and DO NOT LIMIT IT with time gated energy regen.
jagged pier
but its 'meaningful choice'
which soulbind u use for what content
literally what they said
fringe marten
The shard system? Actually I like it..I think it's a cool flexible system for sorta being really min/maxy with what you wanna do with your character.. But just put an item on a vendor that punches the 'domination socket' into ANY armor of those slots..and sell the gems on a vendor...THEN make me raid to 'upgrade' them..fine.
But to have an RNG ALL personal loot system..even in mythic..with their 'ilevel locked trading' system while we're gearing up?!?! are you INSANE?
orchid frigate
it's bad when musclebrah seems to be one of the top viewed wow streamers
fringe marten
Literal random dom socket armor/shard luck very likely determined who won the 'world first' mythic raid race. I get it they don't care..but at least you can point to that and say "look..it does matter, a LOT to some people..random loot luck in a power creep system is bad"
dude..I used to watch musclebrah in early/mid bfa..I liked him.
strong forum
Muskelbrug
Tbf, all the streamers are playing mdi
And it's quite early in the day
strong forum
What does he even do
fringe marten
a DK who joined my guild who is also german said he used to run with him with some frequency..said he's pretty iron fisted about how the groups are run/etc but that doesn't surprise me if it's your JOB and 'esport' goal.
orchid frigate
viewerkeys i think
fringe marten
He was like..methods lead? M+ guy..for a bit
strong forum
Ever since he stopped pushing keys he's just a nobody
strong forum
And he stopped pushing because he (I think) made enemies with all the other pushers
glacial swift
Anyone having any experiences with NF-Dreamweaver in raid and m+ (around +17 lvl) ?
Have been playing Niya mainly but i see a lot of prot warrs use DW these days.
I wonder what people think of it.
fringe marten
That's the thing about someone like asmongold; weather or not you like him..he's got an entertaining persona/character he plays for his stream..regardless of what he's doing on it.
Well if what our DK told me, he's kind of a tough personality to get along with so that doesn't surprise me.
strong forum
Anyone having any experiences with NF-Dreamweaver in raid and m+ (around +17 lvl...
I heard that dreamweaver is kinda good now, but I know nothing about NF since I'm a kyrian 1 trick
fringe marten
Like..I don't wish him ill; I hope he finds big success with whatever he chases on his stream...but you can see the opposite with Plka; he's seeing growth and having more success not just because he plays prot warrior well but because he HIMSELF is just pleasant to watch.
strong forum
Plka streams at ungodly times
fringe marten
yeah he's a nightowl..that's why I actually watch him sometimes LOL.
strong forum
Literal demon schedule
fringe marten
But I think plka still trying to hang on to a day job? I dunno.
strong forum
Well yeah
fringe marten
But yeah; if he decides to make the leap and try and full time stream..he'd have to change stream times for sure; but honestly..the truth is I'd just change games at this point.
strong forum
He's a distributor iirc
fringe marten
Obviously we play wow and like it..for? Whatever unknown reason. But if I was trying to become a successful streamer WoW would not be my chosen springboard right now.
No matter what copium you try and smoke right now you simply can't argue that wow hasn't taken a pretty nasty PR hit, and is not the popular thing to 'watch' in streams, vods, youtube clips etc.
I'm also not going to pile on to it and demonize 'WoW' for having some fuckboy employees..and worse. Every company does, especially tech and media companies...these guys are just the recent scandal.
brittle owl
idk man, streaming is still novel enough that there is no cookie cutter formula yet
i don't think that streaming WoW is a dead end
fringe marten
Maelkenar you're definitely right, but there is one obvious trend..be ON the trend~
brittle owl
there is something to be said about riding whatever wave is pop
but there have been streamers who became popular simply through consistency
fringe marten
So a dead end? No it's not.. But you are absolutely swimming upstream.
brittle owl
🤷♂️
blizz games in general rn are good punching bags
you could make a case that theres easy cheap content to be made
fringe marten
So here's the thing right? Are you trying to catch the eyeballs/interest of the public as a streamer, then hold on to an audience because you're good at whatever you're doing or entertaining to watch? Or do you not care about profitability and JUST really love to PvP in wow or whatever?
The answer to that question, for yourself..is the answer for how to proceed. You jump on the 'popular' thing..you are SO much more likely to get noticed, and it's probably still a fun/good game. Weather it's FF14, or New world..or Diablo 2 beta or whatever.
It's just how peoples interests and search algorithms work. "this is the new popular stuff..would you like to view it too?"
Speaking of streamers..and warriors.. WTF happened to my boy Pilav?
brittle owl
hospitalized for severe hemmorrhoids
jagged pier
u think he gunna come to the prot channel 
strong forum
He's Serbian
fringe marten
big facts jakey
brittle owl
fringe marten
You need to go to fury channel
in FACT...
Ok I just did SO much detective work and investigation...I asked in the fury channel. I'm 100% sure we will get the real story of what's going on with his life very shortly...
Guess he tryna' run his own discord? ..bruh..
strong forum
I mean, every streamer does that
fringe marten
Yeah; trying to build a community..I get that.
strong forum
Or rather, content creator
fringe marten
I would imagine pilav discovered the ear licking ASMR meta on twitch a little while ago and probably jerked himself into a coma? ...a man of culture.
sweet summit
fringe marten
^ is that the "ah..actual factual" pepe face? yup~
strong forum
fringe marten
Speaking of pepe..how hype are you guys we finally got new pepe hat from covenants? I'm so glad I put so much time into shadowlands...
sweet summit
idk i dont really care xd
brittle owl
shut up weeb
sweet summit
ok sorry
fringe marten
I used to try and tell my cotank that..he also enjoyed anima and I am an old angry person who doesn't like other people enjoying things.
LOL I said anima~ I meant anime.
strong forum
blazing condor
lilac bloom
i dont understand ive tried the strat on p3 sylvanus as off tank i clear the banes on the other platform andd bring it back to the current.. get myself dispelled in the corner and the other main tank takes the banes and get it dispelled but later ppl were dying to either furry or someting end up killing the whole group.. and later rl tells me i should just clear the main platform and only clear the other whoever gets wailing arrow and only after get hit by wailing arrow that u would go collect the banes
why they never say something simple on youtube videos
blazing condor
you should have people who can soak the current platform as well if youre out soaking puddles
like rogues
not a necessity but its not solely the tank's job
not to mention you can do everything right and still wipe because people step on puddles before banshee's bane
lilac bloom
its heroic tanks are meant to clear the platform but people are dying during furry
jagged pier
the tanks just need to be dispells before the end of fury
lilac bloom
and i end up dying cos i stupid end up geting targated with heartseeker and i went to get bane and that 1 shot me
thats what i thought
and i have ppl dispelling me late
its like they want to dispel me only b4 furry
blazing condor
the "best" way to dispel for fury is to do it with ~1.5 seconds left
because the damage comes at the very end of banshee's fury
and during that time its impossible to pick up any puddles youve left behind
since that takes a second or two from dispell to being able to be picked up
lilac bloom
i sometimes have hard time of when they get dispelled cos i have to charge at the boss and if didnt get out in time i step on them again
any help with that i just want to get it right...and i notice on videos they say to try not to get it dispelled till veil and scream combo
all i know is not to have any debuff when furry is up i just want to play it safe
tired ice
The puddles have a grace period of one or two seconds, as Goodstuffe is saying, where noone can pick them up. That's why you should be in position to drop them as Sylv finishes her Fury cast. That way, noone can pick them up as the cast ends, not even if they land on top of someone. Puddles that are already lying around at that time can be picked up ofc.
If you have priests, Mass Dispel is worth their weight in gold. They can time it right before the cast ends, clearing the entire raids stacks in a way that noone can pick them up again
craggy pilot
Don't monks also have aoe dispell?
jagged pier
yus
sweet summit
mw has revival ye
tired ice
Yes, but on a 3m CD vs priests 45s
craggy pilot
Ah rip 😅
tired ice
Because it also heals a ton
craggy pilot
No way to gain extra charges or something?
lilac bloom
k tx for the tip
so with the wailing arrow i wait till boss hits me then i will go and grab all the banes or pickup up as suggested 4 to 6 stacks and bring it back to the current platform
blazing condor
would yall say that its more worth to have max rank shard on your set bonus compared to ranking up off-shards higher?
idk how much the set-bonus scales
right now i got 2 max rank bloods and one rank 4, then two rank 2 non-blood shards
craggy pilot
so with the wailing arrow i wait till boss hits me then i will go and grab all t...
I think you can pick up pools before the arrow hits you
tired ice
Blood bonus goes from 1450 -> 1620 p3, that's 170 p3 or 56 hps and dps increase
lilac bloom
I think you can pick up pools before the arrow hits you
does't hit u hard one after another if u pick 1 up continuosly i saw my hp drop so fast i end up dying b4 i come back to the current platform
craggy pilot
does't hit u hard one after another if u pick 1 up continuosly i saw my hp drop ...
Not so sure about that tbh, only tanked it on normal 😅 doesn't look like an issue when watching Sense nurfed Sylv HC kill
lilac bloom
Not so sure about that tbh, only tanked it on normal 😅 doesn't look like an iss...
very differnt in heroic. Normal you can get away with anything..but heroic is the one im having problems .. I get to p3 no problems but as soon as i tried ppl and me end up dying
its if i have no idea what i'm doing but i have jist of it.. like b4 i thought i dont neeed to taunt for heartseekers then late rwas told to do it.. I'm confused
craggy pilot
Go look Sense nurfed on youtube
He has vod of their first HC Sylv kill
https://youtu.be/3fhxsVng0VQ
@lilac bloom
If you die while picking up those orbs, it might be a healer problem 👀
lilac bloom
https://youtu.be/3fhxsVng0VQ
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yah i tried that then others end up dying
thats the strat i tried to do
but only tuant on wailing arrow
the rl want me to tuant at heartseeker
blazing condor
i tried doing heartseeker at first
but felt way more messy
i taunt arrow and it worked for us
obtuse monolith
Blood bonus goes from 1450 -> 1620 p3, that's 170 p3 or 56 hps and dps increase
Plus Crit and Vers. Could be an 80-90 DPS/HPS increase if you’re geared
lime urchin
Anything specific Yall use for quick n easy solo flawless runs?
inland raft
I just play arms
lime urchin
Traitor!
inland raft
And look for the perma dbts power
lime urchin
Kick him!
modern brook
Doing torghast in prot spec solo sounds like the opposite of quick
jagged pier
its not
modern brook
I guess just reset the run every time you dont get the execute power 1st floor
jagged pier
ive solo flawless all 12 as prot
jagged pier
i havent ever done torghast as arms
modern brook
smh
jagged pier
but im one like 3-4 mins a floor
dpending on size
just seismic and mass pull
it can get a bit sketch if the magic damage is boosted up in some layers though
modern brook
I'll have to try it
I still dont have reprisal lmao
let alone seismic
literally cant afford it
modern brook
smh u think i can afford 235s ur nuts
jagged pier
^^
modern brook
I've been Bruning through layer 12s on arms at 218 no problem, albeit probably much slower
tired ice
I find prot to be the most chill run
It's up to the anima powers to decide if you're gonna do damage or not anyway
gloomy cradle
Just need to get the execute power
gloomy cradle
Yeah not surprised
strong forum
and on big pulls you have EM
lime urchin
Whats EM
hollow sun
just run thorgast in a 5 man group, the fastest way to do it
modern brook
5 man torg is cringe
gloomy cradle
Well you wanna do at least one flawless a week so you get the vaults
strong forum
im done with my 2 runs by the time i have a non retarded group
modern brook
U spend more time getting declined in lfg than running
inland silo
5 man torgh is significantly slower than solo
gloomy cradle
im done with my 2 runs by the time i have a non retarded group
This
modern brook
like you're either too low ilvl to get into groups to run higher layers; or it'd be faster to just solo it yourself
gloomy cradle
Speaking of flawless, is there any difference between unlocking Adam vaults in an 8 or a 12?
Or is it all the same loot at the end regardless
strong forum
higher drop chance at 12
gloomy cradle
Okk makes sense
bright flax
Since torgast has affixes getting a group from lfg is a huge toin coss and people just want you to pull little
Rather do it my way and if I fail I only have myself to blame
distant crystal
if you get a flawless in a lower layer
i wonder if the play is to just leave instance group
so you can save your roll on the conduit thingy for l12
strong forum
i specifically dont want that conduit thing
i want the cloaks
i have 2 conduit upgrades but 0 cloaks
modern brook
y r u doing non layer 12s?
blazing condor
Cus its my gametime and i get the choose the way i do my chores
modern brook
:(
blazing condor
Sorry i apologize
plush tendon
Its not a chore, if its ideal gameplay while at work
heady hearth
is devouring cold any good?
jagged pier
do u have a higher ilvl 1h?
ancient monolith
I think 1h hammer with haste and versa is better
can't remember where it drops
engorged something
jagged pier
ilvl is all that really matters on 1 h
ancient monolith
yes
jagged pier
if its higher its better
ancient monolith
but if we compare Engorged Worm Smasher and Devouring Cold (both same ilvl), then EWS > DC
because EWS has a ton of haste
jagged pier
like it really doesnt matter
ancient monolith
whereas DC does not have any
sweet summit
engorged worm smasher is the best weapon you can get if you cant kill mythic kt
an ye what nome said
ancient monolith
true since we can't get EWS at 259 ilvl
sweet summit
shell fox
i lost a 18 hoa for 3 minutes, my dps pals did 8k but 1 just 6.8
how plka tank so well?
ffs
strange lintel
yo so i run arms niya and fury koaryn. i figured i can use dreamweaver for tanking but honestly podtender kinda kills groups if i actually die. can i just click off the pod tender buff ?
elfin nova
Just play niya in raid and korayn in m+
Even with wrong/some compromise conduits it's fine
Also to answer the actual question i believe the pod cannot be cancelled early
elfin nova
Well then i have bad news for you about the shadowlands expansion
strange lintel
plush tendon
M+ fury and prot very similar anyways on Korayn
safe thistle
Wicked Bolt Inflicts 14 Shadow damage to an enemy.
Cast Time changed from 1.5 sec cast to 2 sec cast
didnt saw that one
flint tiger
I haven't looked at NF post 9.1, but remembered they had a soul bind trait that was like a crazy absorb. Did that end up getting nerfed? I assumed it did.
safe thistle
i think it got nerfed or capped
strong forum
nerfed
maiden ravine
Its still not bad for a trait, but attached to podtender is a no no for tanks
merry ocean
I have 2 Shards of Cor
merry ocean
nah
devout heron
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
i found out i was using wrong talent all along
i thought heavy repercussions talent extending shield wall's duration not shield block so i sued anger management
plush tendon
... in what circumstance were you using the wrong one
cause AM is usually the preferred choice
devout heron
isnt high uptime on shield block so cool tho?
ah okay there is some ppl using am too
amber herald
hr is pog
devout heron
around %70 of warriors used HR tho
i wanna try it so bad rn haha but leveling my alt
strong forum
are you doing 24s
devout heron
considering prot is just an offspec for me its an odd hype rn :P
devout heron
are you doing 24s
nah
amber herald
hr or am it's not like your inting play what you want
strong forum
its fine yes, but HR isnt absolutely needed or a huge revelation on low keys
amber herald
just know that reprisal should be enough SB and AM is gonna do more damage
prisma bear
if hr actually extended shield wall that would be pretty kool for huge pull purposes in keys
probably would have to be more than just 1s to be worth though
sacred timber
modern brook
Smh I didn't sign up for homework
obtuse monolith
just know that reprisal should be enough SB and AM is gonna do more damage
I thought that but my sims are saying HR is more damage. Patchwerk or dungeon slice. Does that make sense?
strong forum
HR Sims like 10dps more in 100% active uptime combat
Where there is no variation or movement
modern brook
And also at exactly 5 minutes
strong forum
Because of the increased shield slam damage SB gives
modern brook
Fight and downtime will matter a lot with am by virtue of it being cdr
strong forum
In multitarget AM easily wins