#protection
chilly brook
modern brook
Smh
crystal iris
im sure you guys run big keys but i find when im running with uncoordinated guildies, if i start kiting shit hits the fan quick
and i mean like, no slows or stuns or ints haha
chilly brook
Not playing reprisal is going to make that worse
crystal iris
oddly enough i enjoy it in raid
chilly brook
Like less shield block=more opportunities to where you might need to kite
crystal iris
yeah shouldnt being the key word haha
strong forum
Then you're not charging enough
modern brook
Shouldn't need to kite in 15s
You need your dps to be playing for this to be relevant advice
strong forum
Or making other mistakes
modern brook
He's very nice said his team sucks like 4 times :(
crystal iris
not my team
maiden ravine
Let go the shackles of meta and find something you find fun! Especially if you're doing up to 15s. That said, Reprisal is awesome cause it's basically 3 legendaries in one and that's stupid
crystal iris
love my team but im not tank for them
crystal iris
no I do like reprisal haha i just wanted to see how far ahead it was
strong forum
very
modern brook
I mean you can love people and they can parse Grey
crystal iris
im fine keeping it if it really is the best option defensively
chilly brook
It is
strong forum
It's the best defensive option by literally expansions
crystal iris
no my team that I DPS for is plenty good enough for me
strong forum
Like, fucking 17 patches ahead of every other legendary for us
modern brook
And it's only like 300 behind pure dps options
crystal iris
hahaha kk
modern brook
Prolly an underestimate but points there
crystal iris
lsat talent row, how bad are HR and bolster compared to AM
if you take DPS out of the equation
strong forum
Bolster you forget about with reprisal
That's just a bad option
HR is for maximum block uptime
And maximum "I don't kite and wanna be a bit more lazy"
crystal iris
3 more rage haha wtf is that
strong forum
AM is more dmg and more frequent access to SW which is obv better vs mechanics
crystal iris
i just hate having a 4min CD on shield wall haha
strong forum
Yup
There's no reason to play HR on low keys besides lazy
And maybe if you want a bandaid fix for not managing your blocks properly, but if you don't do that, you also lose value from HR
modern brook
Am is also just a feels good talent
The rage feedback loop is the best part of the class
strong forum
Because you need frequent charge and SB usage so you get the most value out of HR
modern brook
Am doubles down on it
maiden ravine
I hate that Venthyr have the best looking transmog, 😄
strong forum
Same
crystal iris
I thin im pretty ok with block uptime, I dont use when mob isnt actively hitting me and i dont overcap
crystal iris
The rage feedback loop is the best part of the class
Agreed, I love indomitable
maiden ravine
I am literally staying Venthyr on my warrior cause I'm stubborn and prefer the transmog.
I mean what other covenant lets you tank with a spiky red sword.
modern brook
U can just change the rgb on your monitor
Bam red speae
Red nf lines or whatever nf like about their shit
maiden ravine
https://www.wowhead.com/item=182435/crimsonbarbed-sinbreaker I need to actually spend the anima on this this week
crystal iris
GL hitting that
well yeah i mean youd have to charge and hit both charges of it plus like an intervene haha
strong forum
And even then its not enough
You can't realistically overcap on SB without using HR
maiden ravine
reprisal goes on legs right?
strong forum
Si
maiden ravine
Maybe 9.2 will give us double legendaries and open up some combos
maiden ravine
even if reprisal and seismic comes the m+ go to
modern brook
P sure 2nd legendary would just be reverb
strong forum
Fun isn't allowed until the last patch of an expac
2nd leggo would indeed be seismic
maiden ravine
Will and Wall could be fun cheese in raids
modern brook
9.3 will have findom sockets that just double the cost for a subscription for the duration of the patch
strong forum
9.3
crystal iris
lol
strong forum
Will and Wall could be fun cheese in raids
Well it's only partywide
maiden ravine
oh nevermind
crystal iris
well thanks for the chat guys, i might try HR next week if i need more uptime, maybe ill try wall + HR. still get reduced shield wall and some extra SB uptime
well see if i miss the rage
strong forum
So it would only be very niche on bosses where 1 group would have to do some soak mechanics
Otherwise it's just a worse AMZ
However reprisal + will could see play in m+
maiden ravine
well we're sorta worse DKs in general right now not having grip or slappy hands. 😄
strong forum
Getting a short CD 25% DR groupwide + reprisal would be quite nutty for high keys
Where dps start dying
crystal iris
haha i could see some uses of Will carrying some guildies
strong forum
However you can't deny the obscene dmg reprisal + seismic would be
But there's also gonna be bear
With their 2 thrash leggos
strong forum
And infinite dmg
maiden ravine
Inject it into my veins
crystal iris
reprisal + seismic on fort, reprisal + natures fury on tyr wouls be insane
strong forum
Infinite absorb
maiden ravine
I'd rather have double legendaries than double covenant abilities
maiden ravine
I just don't see how they let us swap without reworking soulbinds entirely
modern brook
Imagine
They give us 2 cov abilities
But u only get the extra fleshcraft/owl boy
Pogpogpogpog
strong forum
Then I'd unironically use Necro ye
modern brook
Honestly arms with venthy+ necrolord sounds dope
modern brook
Smh nom has black glasses cause he's blind to the possibilities
Numbers are Flux
Bannerdem is objectively cooo
strong forum
Maybe in pvp
ocean yoke
the real play is leaper as the second leggo
maiden ravine
I haven't decided if my necro plate char is gonna be a DK or a warrior. Banner feels thematic warrior to me
modern brook
They did their best to make banner feel terrible to press
strong forum
They tried so hard with making banner not be bad
But they failed not once
But twice
maiden ravine
Could be worse, could be totally useless like Fae Mistweaver
"Let's make a fast resetting ability cost a ton of mana"
modern brook
I mean ultimately banner is an answer to a prayer no warrior was making
strong forum
I just love that they reworked it twice
modern brook
They reworked it twice and it's somehow still worse than venthyr euphoria
ocean yoke
they had to be afraid of making it too good like the one in mop
modern brook
Mastery has to be the single most boring stat
At least verse has Dr associated with it
maiden ravine
I wish they had just made each spec one ability that was shadowlands in general and made covenants cosmetic for an ability or two
A Venthyr red thunderclap for example
strong forum
Yes
modern brook
Idk we'd be bitching about how much of a missed opportunity it would be thrn
maiden ravine
Legion worked cause each spec had an ability tailored specifically to it's spec
modern brook
In reality the only problem with covs is that the decision is purely numeric
maiden ravine
hell, an ENTIRE TREE
modern brook
And there's a giant campaign ducktaped to it
If you need to change the numbers for any reason
strong forum
And the fact that they're stupidly hard to balance
maiden ravine
Blizzard has never realized that no matter how many choices they give us, the numbers will always make one the "choice"
They didn't need this many legendaries, this many covenant abilities, this many conduits
strong forum
Like
modern brook
And the fact that they're stupidly hard to balance
I mean that's not new to covs
strong forum
They had to come up with 48 legendaries
modern brook
Remember legion twin moons boomkin
Where your single target rotation was press moonfire?
maiden ravine
BfA had too many azerite powers.
strong forum
They have to balance all abilities around 2-4 specs
ocean yoke
its like it somehow didnt click that just because not all the playerbase doesnt do mythic or whatever doesnt mean everyone isnt going to min max what they have
strong forum
(which they just don't do)
They have to balance 12 soulbinds
(which they don't rly do)
maiden ravine
And then the systems guys get pissed when we call the systems trash
strong forum
They have to balance 4billion conduits
(which they don't do)
They have to balance 17 billion legendaries
(which they don't do)
See where I'm going?
ocean yoke
hell if only it stopped there
modern brook
20 years
The game hasn't been balanced like ever
Now there's more things that aren't balanced sure
maiden ravine
I don't need a barebones back to basic experience, but don't give us false choices for the sake of making it look like you did something
One of my favorite balance things is Fae DK. Soulbind traits scale off CD but all 3 specs have a different CD on Death and Decary
maiden ravine
What did they do? they chose the shortest CD
strong forum
0.3 tuning has been done
maiden ravine
So Niya and Dreamweavers bonuses are actually half as good for Frost DK as it is for Blood
Cause for some reason they couldn't make soulbinds spec specific, nooo, they had to be class
strong forum
It just works
maiden ravine
Would I have been entirely happy with soulbinds being the big power choice? Probably would have felt just as bad
mighty valley
i know people that love banner
they just get happiness out of buffing people who like mastery
it's fine if it's not the best
in fact it would kind of suck if it was the best since that kind of buffing play isn't for everyone
maiden ravine
warrior shouts/banners are bit of an iconic class fantasy
mighty valley
i do think they should do some more work for some of the sadder covenant choices but "balance" is often a pipe dream
every single game community thinks their game's developers are terrible at balance
maiden ravine
To be fair, a lot of people would consider something trash for being 1% behind something else
maiden ravine
Which is why I think they shouldn't be concerned about giving us power choices
Not everyone like me is a scrub who'll do stuff suboptimal just for prettier pixles or what I find fun
mighty valley
i think you'll find a surprising portion of players do whatever thing looks cool or sounds fun lol
and having choices is good for them
it's also good for power gamers who like to feel smart by making the right choice from a bunch of worse ones
modern brook
The % of players that make decisions based on numerical value is very low
The % of players that make decisions based on what a youtube video says is based on mmerical value is very high.
mighty valley
yup, that's most of us tbh, trusting that someone else did the math
maiden ravine
the stats show that maybe 5-10% of players don't follow the guide
modern brook
I think there are very few instances of macro decisions being actual decisions in wow, modern or otherwise
In most cases there is a correct choice and you're either making it or not
But like
What's the difference between best single target cov and best aoe cov versus best st talent and best aoe talent
2 weeks and a campaign
sweet ivy
Hey guys, should i get a 252 versa-crit ring or a 246 wrists w domination socket?
sick sentinel
Is it matrix or aegis that's top
mighty valley
Hey guys, should i get a 252 versa-crit ring or a 246 wrists w domination socket...
i'd take the wrists, probably be a longer time before you replace them and you'll see a dozen other 252 rings in vault
but then i've been starving on two dom sockets for the longest time
modern brook
Hey guys, should i get a 252 versa-crit ring or a 246 wrists w domination socket...
Dom
Unless you have a higher dom
Dom
sweet ivy
ty ❤️
mighty valley
keep asking the game to dom me, it won't
oblique garnet
i think you'll find a surprising portion of players do whatever thing looks cool...
Im belf because of this
maiden ravine
I mean my warrior is female gnome, so he's not that crazy
brave jetty
Helm has leech and is an upgrade from 239. Wrists a downgrade, weave is meh. The 252 dungeon pieces would both pretty much be BiS in those slots. Thoughts?
Leaning helm but goin from Crit Haste to Mastery Crit feels a little bad.
Though part of me thinks it's a little more future-proof to take one of the dungeon options?
mighty valley
What would belt be replacing? Also how soon would mythic helm be on the table
brave jetty
Mythic helm prob not on the table
Belt is replacing a 246 identical belt
I just simmed it, the results are fucking buggy. It has the name wrong next to each icon. Going by name it says Neck>Belt>Helm, going by icon it shows Helm>Neck>Belt
mighty valley
I forget, isn’t that neck giga mastery?
brave jetty
that particular neck is Crit Vers
mighty valley
Ok think that’s out, I’d wait for a haste neck— think I’d be leaning belt to just be done with that slot and you’re more likely to see helm again, but sounds like a coin flip
brave jetty
I like Crit and it's currently my highest simming secondary
rerunning sim to see if i can square away the visual bug
Same bug. Ugh. Annoying.
fading escarp
Trying to choose between helm and bracers
currently dont have bracer dom socket, but have a 242 pair with a gem socket
helm i have currently is only 236 ilvl
so either big ilvl increase from helm, or a ilvl decrease and gain a dom socket from bracers
bracer would also allow me to equip my 3rd blood shard for set bonus in raid
brave jetty
100% bracer
gives you set bonus, gives you a shard where you don't already have one
ilvl decrease is immaterial at that point
empty spindle
Is the aegis good in raid too ?
fluid wraith
as zandalari is paku my best bet for the mix of dps/survivability?
brave jetty
yeah
nocturne sage
how detrimental is it to try and get fury gear from vault/weekly since i only tank for raid?
fading dirge
Need some opinions cause not sure how well its doing. 226 Reactive Defense Matrix or 233 Spare Meat hook? My other is a 252 power crystal so I would like to lose the double on use but the ilvl drop
zenith vigil
rdm
obtuse monolith
Matrix > Meat hook any day imo. What’s that iLvl Meat Hook, 12k damage on 90s cd?
brave jetty
ehh, 220 shield
until you get a 252 shield i probably wouldn't swap specs for the purposes of vault
clear sapphire
got the r1 parse for boss dmg on M eye 😛 the phial is nice lol
fading dirge
thanks for the trinket input
timber junco
If I only do M+ and don't raid, how big of a disadvantage am I compared to if I would have shards and Dom sockets. I know the set bonus is disabled but what about just the shards? I only do keys 17-19 level
Returning from last season
plush tendon
i have created the ideal raid group
junior locust
Hey all, I am just rolling to Prot from fury for my guild and was wondering what the best Legendary is for raiding as Prot? sorry if this is answered elsewhere
I have read wow head but doesnt seem to be updated from last tier, unless it hasnt changed and the wall is still the best?
junior locust
Thank you sir, ill focus on Reprisal first then!
sick sentinel
so i've got 30% haste without into the fray active, i thought i heard 20% was the sweet spot so im thinking of swapping my gems and enchants to versatility, is this the move or nah
midnight burrow
gross vault.... 252 trailspinner pendant or 252 slimy consumptive organ....?
ocean yoke
if you have a organ never go it
nocturne sage
until you get a 252 shield i probably wouldn't swap specs for the purposes of va...
True, I'm just trying to justify it since I only raid tank and we're only in normal raid. Everything else I'm in fury
ocean yoke
@sick sentinel nah no point really, haste before pre 39% itf is not enough
wide pilot
Are you guys wearing 239 dom pieces in m+ if you have a 252 for the same slot
modern brook
so i've got 30% haste without into the fray active, i thought i heard 20% was th...
Ilvl>haste>all in all scenarios. You can optimize stat spread on gems enchants and jewelry if you really want to
My general rule of thumb is if you're asking how much verse you need the answer is 0
obtuse monolith
i have created the ideal raid group
Need some name changes. Missing Benny, Agnetha, and Anni-Frid.
modern brook
It doesn't really make a difference until you're doing very high end keys
At which point you don't need someone else to tell you verse makes you not get one shot by unavoidable damage
modern brook
Are you guys wearing 239 dom pieces in m+ if you have a 252 for the same slot
Yes
Maybe not on the 5th? Idk how good they are past thay
But all 3 dps gems and frosts shield one are dope af
Worth like 50 or something iirc
Assuming you're talking about outside of raid
Because u said m+ I can't read lmao
wide pilot
Ugh was hoping the answer would be no but guess I’ll give it a shot
Thought the ilvl > than all would trump the dom but I’m glad I asked lol
nocturne sage
Dumb question, but what's the extra use do for The Devouring Cold?
obtuse monolith
Dumb question, but what's the extra use do for The Devouring Cold?
Cosmetic. Changes where it sheathes
timber junco
Can have it sheathe on your waist or your back
nocturne sage
Ah, got it, thanks!
robust geyser
Noob question, but does shield ilevel matter. I know it’s extra armour. But does the block value matter.
frosty orbit
would the weapon upgrade be worth it or should I consider taking the pants even though its in my current reprisal slot
mighty valley
don't understand... what's your current weapon
plush tendon
Noob question, but does shield ilevel matter. I know it’s extra armour. But does...
Yes; increased block value factors into SS damage and also increases the amount of damage blocked; it’s the most important single item in your load out
robust geyser
Yes; increased block value factors into SS damage and also increases the amount ...
Thanks!
prisma bear
fyi if noone else expected it the annhyldes aegis blocks the buzzsaw dmg on the manastorms fight i seemed to take no dmg from even the dot on 21 tyrannical
sweet summit
Yes; increased block value factors into SS damage and also increases the amount ...
Thats some boomer shit
Shield slam scales off AP👀
But yes, block value indicates damage reduction from blocked attacks
primal rose
I've been noticing lately that charging a mob that you're moving towards sometimes has you pass through him slightly, which has the unfortunate side effect of getting hit in the back, bypassing shield block. Does anyone have any advice on minimizing this? It looks like I just end up in the back sometimes, which felt really bad on fortified/raging.
vapid mica
dont charge
strong forum
You charged a moving mob
Ofc it's gonna Land behind him
You charge the position the mob was once you pressed the button
Not where the mob is moving towards
blazing condor
I hate the new severing slice its so jank
You dodge it and it either goes on ur dps or it re casts as soon as youre back to the mob
blazing condor
Kinda like how tenderize work in NW but it wont recast if you just wait
strong forum
It's just like SoA first boss
Except that one is unlimited range
And won't stop casting
blazing condor
That one also trucks sometimes
strong forum
Opc!
primal cape
is Cristal good to play dps ? 
primal cape
big
strong forum
It's aight for us, but for arms it's legit the best trinket in the game
jagged pier
Helmets not bad till u get a dom socket piece with a fully upgraded gem in
strong forum
That also, ye
tardy sequoia
Morning, what’s the highest ilvl (and the bonus it provides) for the stalwart guardian conduit?
jagged pier
🤷♂️
Conduits gets empowered by renown
So its gunna be something dumb
But u want to empower PV first if u can
tardy sequoia
Ah I thought it gets empowered by dropping it from specific location or bosses
jagged pier
No it does
Adamant vaults
And its random
In your spec
Or u can buy with research at tier 6
But renown also empowers the conduit in each row starting with week
It will only be a s few seconds here and there anyway
Probably
tardy sequoia
For example now I have it at ilvl 213 and it reduces SW cooldown by 30 sec, I don’t know if it can be upgraded further providing even more seconds reduction
jagged pier
It can go to 252
tardy sequoia
But renown also empowers the conduit in each row starting with week
Oh so it isn’t really worth anything
jagged pier
Well i dunno i think i still have 226 verison which is like 32 seconds
tardy sequoia
It will only be a s few seconds here and there anyway
I meant to reply to this one lmao
jagged pier
So 252 maybe like close to 40 secs i presume 1 sec a upgrade
blazing condor
Idk if i should open my vault as dps or tank. I got shield/1h but id reallt want an aegis
tardy sequoia
Well 40 secs is goooood
blazing condor
But a 252 two hnder would be somethin
blazing condor
Big for arms
tardy sequoia
But a 252 two hnder would be somethin
You mean Zweihänder brüder
blazing condor
Ja öf cörse
tardy sequoia
🇩🇪
strong forum
cant even use this neck for prot cuz ill lose almost 6% haste
fuck that
im already down to 21% haste
brisk sparrow
so I have a 249 scale vs a 246 haste vers weapon in my vault - with a 236 weapon equipped and abysmal trinkets....I take the scale without a doubt, right?
jagged pier
Wep
strong forum
technically youd go for the weapon
unless you can upgrade your current one to 246 in the near future
brisk sparrow
well I am pushing rating quite a bit so i could upgrade a bit atleast...^^
strong forum
1h is very cheap to upgrade
blazing condor
Poggus
elfin nova
-1500 ez
strong forum
my arms weapon makes me sad
strong forum
240 equipped with a 226 weapon...
bold bolt
help 😦
elfin nova
Do you have 252 shield
elfin nova
Take shield
blazing condor
i dont got a dom shoulder and ring is pretty big
at the same time i got a 236 wep
for my off spec
do i just send it and take wep
elfin nova
You definitely take shoulders if you raid as prot
blazing condor
yeah i know its just boring
just saw it was 246 too so i guess thats literally bis
til i get mythic raiding
blazing condor
nah ofc
just a bit burnt on prot rn but its obviously the right choice
sad
alternatively i just re clear and see if i get it
sick bramble
is into the fray better than ravager i see many top warriors going into the fray for m+
sick bramble
hr?
jagged pier
Talent in the row heavy 'long word'
blazing condor
reapercushion 
sick bramble
is it cuz its harder to play or is it like some high key tech?
strong forum
It's high key tech, and much easier to play
sick bramble
what happens if i do it on low keys
blazing condor
you blow up
strong forum
You'll do less damage
sick bramble
by low i mean 15-17 level
strong forum
Overkill on surv for those keys
jagged pier
Its pointless in thoughs lvls u dont need the block
strong forum
You can play it, there's just no real point to it
woven bear
worst vault in the history of wow
woven bear
I can't take shoulders or wrists because of the sockets and I got the boots already
jagged pier
Take dom.socket shoulders
elfin nova
Slyv shoulders good
jagged pier
Or token and make gold
strong forum
Those dom shoulders are good, unless you already have 252
elfin nova
I'll have the shoulders if you don't want them
strong forum
Ya same
jagged pier
I suck at arms thats literally how
sweet summit
Stop being honest!!! Give better excuses !!!
limber temple
Well fuck yes.
craggy pilot
Jakey saying scale bad? 😮
jagged pier
Aegis is better and i also didnt use scale in S1 much ither
craggy pilot
239 aegis better than 252 scale? 🤔
jagged pier
Far better
craggy pilot
Sick 😅
But still both are on use absorbs, would much rather have a equip that just tickles off absorb auto 🤔 but maybe that's just me with my poor CD rotation 😅
OWS + Phial fx
craggy pilot
Ah i meant mostly related to the on use part 😅
jagged pier
I have blood set
strong forum
excuses
jagged pier
Ah i meant mostly related to the on use part 😅
The on use of aegis is not an absorb
limber temple
Aegis is better and i also didnt use scale in S1 much ither
Aegis would need to drop for me to think that 😄
jagged pier
Flat uncapped damage reduction is > that a fixed absorb
aegis is uneffected by necrotoc u can literally go to 70 stacks pop it and take no damage
Scale u dont even get the shield
warped moth
scale + aegis double on-use is actually... kinda fun
craggy pilot
Lol 😅
jagged pier
scale + aegis double on-use is actually... kinda fun
No
jagged pier
I run sack and phial atm
craggy pilot
Sack? The one from tazavesh?
craggy pilot
Ah, might try to get that one from taza hard mode if someone wants to join me from guild 😅
Does it do nice DMG? Or just free reduction?
ionic plank
shard of annhylde vs blood spattered scale?
craggy pilot
@jagged pier tell him
ionic plank
:monkaw:
ionic plank
I'm a fury player, switched to prot spec in dos to see if I could get a scale for my friend
and this was my vault
jagged pier
Yet i run 2 dps trinkets in raid because defensive trinkets are un needed in raid
ionic plank
forgot to switch back...
jagged pier
🤷
ionic plank
yeah even tanking hc clear with a 220 shield i didnt feel the need for tank trinkets
jagged pier
Id take ageis or wep
craggy pilot
@jagged pier what do u run in raid then?
ionic plank
but m+ is likely the only place i'd tank
jagged pier
<@179993058186625025> what do u run in raid then?
Phial and sack
jagged pier
but m+ is likely the only place i'd tank
Still aegis or wep
jagged pier
That is in m+ as well
craggy pilot
Ah ok
craggy pilot
Aegis phial?
jagged pier
Yes
craggy pilot
Or aegis sack? 😅
jagged pier
It doesnt make much difference but phial gives strength
craggy pilot
I went DOS as 3 people in loot spec tank, to get scale, and my healer Pala gets the fucking belt WITH SOCKET but he can't trade, and needs it himself 🙃
craggy pilot
It doesnt make much difference but phial gives strength
Ah ye makes sense
Is it bigger than the off stats from an ocular gland?
jagged pier
Gland is shit for tanks
strong forum
Gland is kinda weird
But a good stat stick if you have nothing better
But raw dmg procs like phial are usually more dmg than stat for tanks
craggy pilot
Ye ok 👍 also saw some people use the "empower attacks" one from raid
But probably mostly for ST
What about something like Sack+defense matrix?
Double equip reduction
jagged pier
Wtf is gives mastery
strong forum
strong forum
jagged pier
craggy pilot
Isn't salvaged fusion amp the best for ST DPS?
strong forum
I think so
empty spindle
aegis is titanguard on steroids
I don’t remember titan guard
strong forum
For fast attacking classes*
blazing condor
bruh
ionic plank
craggy pilot
How many good trinkets drop from Tazavesh? Sack and Codex or?
Is the Soleah a good stat budget trinket? 🤔
blazing condor
Sack is very nice dps
sweet summit
Soleah is a decent filler trinket
bright flax
My vault is filled with potential sidegrades
sweet summit
bright flax
Just sadness
jagged pier
bright flax
Have to sim it, likely to drop mastery neck for crit neck for a wooping 3 or 4 haste increase
lucid pasture
bright flax
Id say for raid full offense as much as you can. Ows phial sack all great choices
craggy pilot
@jagged pier using postmaster ballsack kekw
craggy pilot
Ye I guess I need to do taza hard mode as well 🙃
limpid kite
The nf potency is worth using for m+? It's desync avatar, but more cc. I cant decide
craggy pilot
Better than endurance?
jagged pier
Yes
craggy pilot
🤔
jagged pier
All cov conduits are our best expect for venthyr
craggy pilot
Ah ok
jagged pier
Venthyrs is dogshit
craggy pilot
For the dps or for the cool down?
craggy pilot
Ye makes sense
ivory elbow
hard to choose weekly chest anyone wanna give a hand with it xd
craggy pilot
Does kyrian spear with mekanikos do more dos than NF AA?
craggy pilot
hard to choose weekly chest anyone wanna give a hand with it xd
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sweet summit
If its gonna make me cry dont show 
craggy pilot
😅
craggy pilot
Lol 2 ilvl addons 
ivory elbow
kekw
craggy pilot
How many Dom sockets do you have?
craggy pilot
Ye i would sim rings/shoulder, and maybe the wep
ivory elbow
weapn i have is haste versa
craggy pilot
Worm smasher is more haste than axe if i remember
ivory elbow
20 haste difference
ivory elbow
no pepehands
cinder nova
52 haste at 252
steel mist
hello guys, i feel like im rage starved when im raiding, there was times that i wanted IP and SB but i had enough rage for that
jagged pier
U must be playing wrong
steel mist
is there anything to counter that without sacrificing my dps
primal cape
i feel doing more damages with cristal 252 than phial 239, placebo ?
jagged pier
Doubt
jagged pier
Well if your running them over scale yesu will be doing more damage
I dont think crystal will do more for u than phial
jagged pier
Yer your casts are super low
steel mist
so what does that entail to, im not familiar with prot warrior tanking since its my first time
is there anything i can avoid that
sweet summit
the set bonus only works in the maw (torghast, korthia, sanctum of domination)
the gems work everywhere
jagged pier
so what does that entail to, im not familiar with prot warrior tanking since its...
Press your buttons more, your SS casts should at around 15 casts per minute yours is 10 same with TC its low by like 3-4 casts per minute, so your loosing out a tone of rage your shield block managment is also terrible by the looks of the remenant kill
steel mist
Oh i think i knew why im losing rage
so based on the guides im casting frantically revenge
and thats the rage dumper which i think it axes my casts for the other spells
craggy pilot
You wanna do both tho
You shouldn't stop using Revenge
But just Shield Slam prio over revenge, unless you have tons of rage and are not currently tanking the boss
cinder nova
I mean, you still want to be using SS in that case over Rev
Just use IP to dump rage if you're about to cap.
That doesn't change.
steel mist
am i making the same mistake aswell
ionic fern
You're welcome.
craggy pilot
Just use IP to dump rage if you're about to cap.
No point in doing IP if you just got tank swapped 🤔
craggy pilot
Lose dps by using Revenge? 😮
cinder nova
Over SS yes.
craggy pilot
Fueling rage into AM is better than wasting a SS or TC cool down?
cinder nova
Depending on what is happening proc-wise, sorta.
craggy pilot
Wait that makes no sense what i said lol
ionic fern
am i making the same mistake aswell
Shield Slam casts are low.
Thunder Clap casts are low.
Ignore Pain casts are high.
Avatar Casts are kinda iffy.
craggy pilot
Like, why would you ever hit Rev if you have SS up
If at 90 rage, and your IP is alrdy full?
craggy pilot
Ah ok 🤔
ionic fern
It's just one of those "good to know" type of things.
Only reason you would Revenge instead of SS is on AoE.
craggy pilot
Do i wanna spread out avatar AA ravager to not get too much rage coming in at the same time? Or stack them for deeps
cinder nova
Is this for M+?
craggy pilot
Only reason you would Revenge instead of SS is on AoE.
Ah ye ok, so in m+ 😉
cinder nova
Because you're never using Ravager in Raids
steel mist
Shield Slam casts are low.
Thunder Clap casts are low.
Ignore Pain casts are hig...
good to know that, ill do it at the raid tongiht and see how it goes
unkempt fox
guys if you could use 2 shards of dom in M+ which ones would u use
mellow bridge
depends where im going/what im trying to get
sweet summit
^
craggy pilot
guys if you could use 2 shards of dom in M+ which ones would u use
Kyr and whatever dps shard you have highest
Probably the one giving dps for 20 sec when you fight a new enemy
craggy pilot
What loot spec do yall use
Depends on boss
cinder nova
tbh I'd probably just go double DPS shards
Kyr isn't going to be the difference between living or dying on a mechanic this week
Use dyz nuts and cor
sweet summit
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
mellow bridge
feels good
safe thistle
Fixed an issue where some abilities were not correctly adding stacks of Bron’s Call to Action.
do you think we will get stack faster
jagged pier
so what does that entail to, im not familiar with prot warrior tanking since its...
Press your buttons more, your SS casts should at around 15 casts per minute yours is 10 same with TC its low by like 3-4 casts per minute, so your loosing out a tone of rage your shield block managment is also terrible by the looks of the remenant kill
strong forum
Because half the buttons vdh uses didn't count towards bron
safe thistle
damn
strong forum
2/3rd actually
safe thistle
so monk still get it faster
safe thistle
ohh
strong forum
:)
safe thistle
and i was all happy about maybe more bron 😛
cinder nova
Why does Bron spank for monk, but not Prot?
mellow bridge
cuz they have pet dmg modifiers
and I think even SP modifiers?
not sure
bron scales with all of those
safe thistle
he should just scale with main stats of summoner :/
ionic fern
Mostly SP modifiers jep.
safe thistle
oh well im an orc i get him 1% strongerish
blazing condor
Storm Earth and Fire and Bron
mellow bridge
Bron the fourth element
blazing condor
The avatar
vapid mica
AMA
vapid mica
im not a gamer unlike u my friend
jagged pier
Imagine caring about scale KEKW
blazing condor
scale stonks down horrendously after aegis stepped into the market
even tho i still play my 220 cus its better than what else i hve
jagged pier
Just run double dps like a man
stray hemlock
@jagged pier speaking the truth
woven carbon
hey people, should I prio getting blood link over ilvl?
median timber
what missives do we want
zenith vigil
sweet summit
haste vers
brisk sparrow
haste vers
brisk sparrow
is there like an estimate of how much dom sockets are worth in m+? and if the shield is just prio for insanely high content?
sweet summit
depends on slot/shard/ilvl difference
craggy pilot
Most of them are worth the ilvl drop even in m+
inland raft
3 damage and then the accretion one for sure, 5th i can see argument for ilvl over dom but i been taking the health one
cyan onyx
It's wild to me that a 226 piece is better because of a socket lol
sweet summit
"tier sets"
jagged pier
Well expect for it was 4 pieces u needed and they actually looked different per class and actually changed the way the class played
jagged pier
But in the same sense u would run lfr and normal to complete the set jf u had too
young oasis
OWS 233 or IQD 252?
sweet summit
ows
craggy pilot
I was so happy when I got iqd
Then i used it for like 1 day and hated it
3min CD jeez : 😢
tame jasper
Finally an aegis - 226 from vault. better than no 😄
blazing condor
does dom bonus work in torg?
sweet summit
yar
blazing condor
cyan onyx
Is a 233 OWS worth using over a 252 M+ trinket? Decanter for example, or Phial?
sick sentinel
That's a sim question
cyan onyx
Fair enough
sick sentinel
Defensively OWS is better but that's the best I can give ya
cyan onyx
It just on the surface seems a lot more complicated than just "this does more DPS", which is all a sim is good for. Is no biggie. I'll just use OWS if I get one
bright flax
quick question, how do you sim m+/aoe? you go for 3-5 targets on 40s, 1min and 2min? my vault choice is only an upgrade if I increase targets and reduce time
glacial flint
quick question, how do you sim m+/aoe? you go for 3-5 targets on 40s, 1min and 2...
most dps sims are 5 / 10 targets 40sec no BL ... dungeon slice and patchwork 5min BL
more u cant simm .. there is no that only 1 simm to choose from ^^
there is no realistik sim for all keys / key levels / pull sizes ..
glacial flint
?? just sim that what i told. that are the sims . that are used
bright flax
just wanted some guidance on the common way people do it here, targets and time samples
glacial flint
just wanted some guidance on the common way people do it here, targets and time ...
you wanted guidance and wrote " yes i know" ... just do it then.
bright flax
the yes I know was related to your "there is no realistik sim for all keys / key levels / pull sizes .." comment. sorry if I wasn't explicit there
brittle owl
simple rotation doesn't make dps upgrades obvious 🙃
bright flax
It was everything same ilvl
zenith vigil
psure raidbots will figure it out for you
bright flax
And thats why i wanted to know what target sizes and time samples people take
bright flax
1st time I saw someone advocating for dungeon slice tho, that made me skeptic im sorry. I dont mean to offend
brittle owl
replace x with varying number of mobs and average the gear results
dungeon slice is kinda eh afaik, for pwarr
modern brook
D slice works fine tbhb
Most apls just suck at handling multi target
How useful a sim it is is entirely dependent on how well supported it is by the tc community for that class/spec
calm obsidian
Most times i've used dungeon slice it's given me very similar results to other kinds of sims. I think it gets a bad rap tbh. As with all tools, it's how you use it and interperate it imo
blazing condor
Fuck sims - its all settled in a 15 MoTS
sweet summit
no
craggy pilot
Open vault in arms for potential 2h (off spec) or in prot for potential aegis? Alrdy got 246 1h+shield
sweet summit
246 is not 252 go prot 👀
craggy pilot
so if i got 252 shield should i pick it? 😮
i have 233 2h for Arms
Arms is offspec for M+ and main spec for raid for me
omfg 😦
i guess i take the Aegis...
or is Bloodoath Signet better than 246 Stitchflesh Misplaced Signet?
tame jasper
that's what I did today and my other choice were better
lofty widget
nah, that ring has no haste
lofty widget
oh true lol
craggy pilot
151 haste
lofty widget
still think stitchflesh is better overall
craggy pilot
and then the 230 craftable also better?
blazing condor
stitchflesh is better imo
even if its slightly less haste
nice with the haste/vers
blazing condor
its boring but honestly aegis is kinda busted
id probably take it just to have it
rugged mural
Do the little gravedigger dredger guys in HoA burst this week?
zenith vigil
Aegis is 100 💯% busted in m+
ionic nimbus
got my aegis in 239 today, ngl this trinket is so fkn awesome ...
blazing condor
Do the little gravedigger dredger guys in HoA burst this week?
I'm pretty sure they do
if youre thinking of the groundskeeper elites
in packs of 4
craggy pilot
239 crit mastery vs 226 vers haste dom socket glove? 🤔
cyan onyx
Both dom socket?
craggy pilot
yes
jagged pier
239
rugged mural
if youre thinking of the groundskeeper elites
Yeah, these pulls of the Groundskeepers
cyan onyx
Dom socket > ilvl > everything else
If same ilvl haste > other stuff from what I've seen here
blazing condor
Yeah iirc they do burst
cyan onyx
Naw I get it. This stuff gets weird sometimes
orchid frigate
I have stitchflesh (246) ring and sworn oath of the nine (239). trinkets are blood-spattered and weave of warped fates (226).
guess i go anima field emitter?
jagged pier
ring imo
mellow bridge
Do the little gravedigger dredger guys in HoA burst this week?
yes they do
mellow bridge
252 ring is really good
orchid frigate
alright, thanks!
craggy pilot
why not take the Anima Field?
craggy pilot
Weave of Warped Fates is kinda bad
jagged pier
becuase youll replace it with aegis or phial
blazing condor
weave is ass
jagged pier
or sack
blazing condor
you will never play weave
jagged pier
or OWS
jagged pier
its a very high haste ring
blazing condor
you have two ring slots
jagged pier
we dont have a bis
mellow bridge
because a 246 phial or w/e is def better than 252 afe
while the ring will be harder to replace
cyan onyx
Long story short afe will get replaced easily but the ring will not if ever
fallen rose
what is the best SoD set for prot frost,blood, uH?
jagged pier
shell fox
whats the min vers a prot tank can get?
ionic fern
0
jagged pier
0
craggy pilot
kekw 😄
shell fox
lol
ionic fern
Not a joke.
shell fox
i mean for high keys
craggy pilot
what is that for a question
jagged pier
still 0
chilly brook
i mean for high keys
What do you consider "high keys"
shell fox
21, 22
jagged pier
still 0
chilly brook
You need mechanics and kicks
shell fox
hes on another level
jagged pier
its still 0
chilly brook
we talking about us
Bruh if a 3% dr is saving you you're fucking up
ionic fern
So what do you want to know?
You don't NEED vers to survive at those levels.
strong forum
Finally I have concrete evidence that vers doesn't matter, and then it gets shot down with "yeah but he's good"
shell fox
alright, if not VERS, what then?
jagged pier
ilvl
shell fox
mastery? haste?
ionic fern
Ilvl->Haste>=Vers->Crit/mastery
chilly brook
alright, if not VERS, what then?
Fuck your stats
ionic fern
And most of all - play the class correctly.
chilly brook
Stats are literally not even worth worrying about
If you are, you're approaching this wrong
jagged pier
question is how much vers do i need for skyhold weekly key?
strong forum
10% per warrior in the group
chilly brook
All of it because last time I healed it was a nightmare, so you're on your own to stay alive
craggy pilot
how much vers do i need for tazavesh hardmode? 🤔
strong forum
Its a stacking debuff
chilly brook
chilly brook
Back in BFA I ran TD7 and blew up the pack before taking damage
shell fox
true
jagged pier
^^
craggy pilot
BFA sounds dumb as fk now that i hear about it hahahaha
shell fox
i had so much haste and vers and like ffs
strong forum
I say it over and over again, I played 1 key with full vers corruption and gear. It made me wanna quit the game
shell fox
boring
craggy pilot
lol @strong forum just watched a vid of you saying exactly that kekw
shell fox
wait, nomeratur has a youtube Channel?
strong forum
With very few vids of fucking around
craggy pilot
strong forum
And that one, ye
chilly brook
I wish they had never added vers corruption.....
shell fox
youre the one with black or grey shirt?
chilly brook
We still dealing with questions of people asking how much vers they need because of it
craggy pilot
youre the one with black or grey shirt?
wtf bro, just watch the video, their names is literally on it
shell fox
but theres TWO
mossy peak
Kyrian is great for all specs right now in all content
craggy pilot
they will introduce themselves
chilly brook
Sad thing is most of the people asking ran 80% vers in content that never even threatened them to begin with
jagged pier
hes the one that talks the most
craggy pilot
I'm the cool one
he didnt even watch 20 seconds, and asked who you are, before you even on the screen 🤣
jagged pier
plka and mwahi were quite
shell fox
damn hes the PUNK STYLE guy