Gottem
#protection
sweet summit
strong forum
Boosted monkeys exist everywhere, especially dps players
mental scarab
Yea 10% is more then 0%🐷
jagged pier
I met a 1900 healer who called me boosted this week, the tldr was he wasnt ready to heal a DoS 18
strong forum
2.5k score is only 21s
mental scarab
Only 🥲
strong forum
I mean, if you're geared and play the game I feel like you should be able to do 20/21s with relative comfort
mental scarab
More then 99% of the player base can handel
jagged pier
I mean, if you're geared and play the game I feel like you should be able to do ...
I wish, but pugs tell me otherwise
Literally seen dps with more gwar than me do less dps while im.inturpting and doing explosives
mental scarab
Feels bad doing exp when we dont get VR from then
maiden ravine
KSM is easy this season. It's much easier that 9.0 so you'll see more people above 2k rating
mental scarab
Best thing ever
maiden ravine
But that's cause Blizzard tuned for even casuals eventually getting 20s
strong forum
Literally seen dps with more gwar than me do less dps while im.inturpting and do...
Now watch my havoc
Gna be good memes
jagged pier
maiden ravine
I had a key this week where I as a hunter had more kicks than two shaman
sweet summit
When u bringing havoc to skyhold demon key
sweet summit
👀
maiden ravine
I actually did a key on my warrior and didn't hate it. I still play terribly using condemn haha
But it was only a 5 at 206.
I know it's the wrong way to tank but meh.
strong forum
Condemn does indeed make you suck huge peen as pwar in m+
maiden ravine
Nah, if I were to swap covenants it'd be to necro
sweet summit
@strong forum i wanna swap covenant soon what do i go for :^)
strong forum
The blue your heart believes in
sweet summit
My heart is red
maiden ravine
I'm usually too impatient to dps but I should just be a fury main if I stay Venthyr
sweet summit
Correct
maiden ravine
I was a bit crazy this week. Did at least one key on all 6 tanks. 3 of them were 10+
primal cape
got dk and druid, dk is just a fat slow boy and druid a thrash spammer with no brain, like all bears i guess 
maiden ravine
My dk is fae partly for the soulshape
primal cape
id like the superstrain lego but drop is from stone boys on castle
i guess im not going for it
maiden ravine
Lfr is a thing
Laughed when dps queue popped before tank
Join queue while you go do torghast.
You'll be first in line after
primal cape
ill try
primal cape
i used ashes from others accounts to make lego ngl
strong forum
you telling me i have to do both lfr and torghast
I got over my demons and did layer 9 on my dh twice, sent over 3k Ash from my war and did lfr slg on dh
Now I just need renown and conduits and I can play m-
oblique garnet
Should grind renown from comp stomp while it still is
blazing condor
honestly torghast really isnt that bad
but i dont have enough time to play right now so my prio for torghast is bottom tier
jagged pier
Yer but comp stomp is reknown every like 3 mins untill like 30ish
tardy sequoia
Guys how many purging protocol would you advise to let the boss cast before moving into an energy core on heroic?
tardy lily
2
tardy sequoia
Obv talking about guardian of the first ones
tardy lily
that's what we do at least
tardy sequoia
Ok thanks
tardy lily
depends alittle on how many ppl your raid has and how much raidcds
we're like 18 with 4 heals
tardy sequoia
Unfortunately our guild is a little behind so I’m pugging the boss right now
gaunt dawn
2
forest fern
As long as your dps is kickin it you only need to do 1 if you want to play it safe. Then at the end of the fight with cool downs anymore then 3 and you will know if the dps isn’t enough earlier
forest fern
I mean smaller raid sizes will feel each hit harder from what I’ve seen, the fight does scale easier as your raid gets bigger
blazing condor
is it always the same amount of people that get bombs on them
or is it scaled with size as well?
sweet summit
i cant remember seeing more of less than 3 bombs
blazing condor
yeah same
always been 3 for me
so that might explain it
since if youre fewer then less people can soak
little marsh
is pulsating stoneheart useful?
gaunt dawn
❌
flint needle
Odd question but DH tank is kyrian too right ?
blazing condor
📉
lucid cape
Hey guys quick question, Last boss Necrotic Wake - Do we need to maintain shield block on a boss that seems to only cast on us?
jagged pier
The cast is phyical and can be blocked
strong forum
Odd question but DH tank is kyrian too right ?
Yes
lucid cape
pog ty
jagged pier
Odd question but DH tank is kyrian too right ?
Yes, but there a dh discord for questions like this
north copper
in M+ should i be taking double time or storm bolt w/ reprisal legendary?
as well, into the fray vs ravager?
lucid cape
double time all the way
chrome falcon
Is this stupid Soulrender trinket any good for damage
I got it at 252
It seems teeeeeerrible if you're not going for a bunch of crit
empty spindle
Hey guys
cyan onyx
Hi
empty spindle
Is it more worth running a 226 shoulders over 239
226 shoulders have dom but for m+
cyan onyx
I asked a similar question and the dom socket is apparently worth it
Just use the DPS gems in M+
obtuse monolith
You can sim it.
There’s 3 DPS shards so it could be 3 slots worth dropping iLvl to use. And for prot maybe even utility ones
bright flax
The gems, specially when upgraded, are worth more than the item you socket them on
In the odd case you are debating over using lfr or nm gear for gems in m+ just sim it
inland raft
Soulrender trinket is really good for arms in m+
blazing condor
Garrosh honestly big chad he didnt even break or anything
Bamf stayed a true g until the end 🙏
jagged pier
He is big chad
Would have liked to see more of him, and not him just dusting himself
blazing condor
turns up after many years of abscense
hasnt evolved at all and kills a boss for you
leaves forever without elaborating further
Chad
dusky canopy
Plot twist, garrosh is still warchief and we're just in a bad N'zoth dream
jagged pier
🙏
blazing condor
we wake up and it was all just a bad dream. We're in ice crown just about to climb the citadel
you dont get invited because of your gear score
life is different
cyan onyx
Low key hoping the jailer succeeds and wipes history and we get a new IP out of it
Lol
blazing condor
thanos moment
dusky canopy
Delete classic and revert retail to the old talent tree, and gearing systems ez fix..
Imagine being able to build a talent tree,
Obtain tier sets,
Reforge your stats,
Gem & enchant most slots
Multi spec without "friction"
blazing condor
i will always advocate for item reforging
even though it dont really have a big impact
i just dont see why not
dusky canopy
No piece would feel like a complete waste if we could reforge the secondary stats... I enjoyed that system alot personally
blazing condor
i 100% get why they removed it
because it was a shit system with expertise/hit in the game
but now thats not a thing anymore sooo
dusky canopy
Use the current secondary with reforging
cyan onyx
Yup. The issue was the base design not the system. If they did reintroduce it now there would probably be a secondary currency cost though tied to a seasonal system and it wouldn't be great.
dusky canopy
The whole friction mindset they have is ridiculous imo let us min max to our hearts content
rugged mural
I’ve noticed that I can heroic leap while falling but not while getting knocked back. Is this a player issue or intended behaviour?
rugged mural
Nerzhul comes to mind.
blazing condor
i personally just charge for those
onto the orb or boss
havent tested leap on there
but for other knockbacks it has worked for me
like if you get hit by tornadoes by the lich dudes in ToP
rugged mural
You can leap back on in ToP?
sweet summit
not once youre off the platform
sweet summit
but it works as a displacement ability
rugged mural
I’ll have to into normal ToP and play with it. Thanks guys.
strong forum
Would have liked to see more of him, and not him just dusting himself
Fuck garrosh
Where my boy varian?
rugged mural
Yeah, clearly something went way wrong if I need to. But things do go wrong. Had an attempt on Nerzhul where I was lining up Suffering and dispel went off early or guy died. Failed to jump back on.
strong forum
Varian prolly in the next raid, same as Arthas
blazing condor
And mal ganis
Honestly if done correctly it would be badass to see another denathrius fight
jagged pier
Where my boy varian?
Cant get the sword tmog 
orchid frigate
strong forum
Lol
bright flax
/w keymaster
blazing condor
whats the WA for classes in key?
orchid frigate
zenith vigil
i ackshually only ever play with full meta classes for my +5's
if its not ww/balance/ele/rogue/dh get OUT
prisma bear
so i can see if were going to have more than 0 soothes for this enraging dos
strong forum
🤷♂️
amber herald
meta this week is two boomkins and a hunter to carry me through raging
strong forum
For me? Its 4 warriors
jagged pier
☝️
prisma bear
umm sweetie? why not 5
bright flax
Enhanc shammy as 5th?
strong forum
Big brain play
bright flax
Does wft have a cd? I know nothing about that class
bright flax
Then its the chad play
Until you get to stradama or smt thats heavy on magic aoe
Wish i had friends to try dumb stuff like that
craggy pilot
wtf, why is it impossible to get into DOS as Warr tank 😦
blazing condor
People are bear stans rn
craggy pilot
fucking FOTM bullshit
blazing condor
Also dos isnt exactly great for us except ardenweald
covert sentinel
just tried mists +16 with a 226tank. the dude was nonstop dead...is that normal? was that keylvl too high for his gear? he was at appr 70% SB uptime through the dungeon...dont know if that was a great problem?
chilly brook
Why would you care which classes are in the key?
So you can know if its even worth doing, aka doing HoA with no decurse is inting
sweet summit
ilvl was fine
no its not normal to be nonstop dead
details shield block uptime doesnt tell me anything
hard to tell what went wrong without a log
timid carbon
Fort raging is always a tough one for meh tanks
covert sentinel
that guy is new in our group...can i log for him? or...how can you log m+? can someone guide me to the right guide or something pls
timid carbon
a lil undergeared for a 16 unless he's an excellent player
chilly brook
If you log it logs the whole group
covert sentinel
dont even know how to log raid tbh 😓
sweet summit
How do i log ?
So, if you have been here for a while, you may have noticed that whenever somebody ask for advice we ask them for a log, and if you’re new you might have no idea what that means or how to get one so :
🔸 First, download Loggerhead (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/loggerhead) or ERT (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/exorsus-raid-tools)
Once you have one of these any time you enter a zone where you might want a log (ie dungeon/raid/torghast) these addons will automatically start logging (in the case of ERT you have to activate automated logging in the options).
Alternatively if you don’t want to install an addon for it, whenever you are going to do an activity you want to log type /combatlog in chat to start logging said activity.
Remember to activate advanced logging in the options (System -> Network -> Advanced Combat Logging)
All these options will store your logs in your wow file inside the retail folder and the log file.
🔸 Second, go here (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/client/download) download the client. Select the live section of the client, select the upload a log button and select the fight you’re interested in putting up as a log and boom you’re done.
🔸 Third, once you’ve done all this, your log is uploaded you can put it up here and we can look at it together to see if you’re doing something wrong.
If you wish look at your own log Jakey made a nice little video explaining what we look at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1tRp8lULT8
chilly brook
Warcraftlogs has a nice guide
sweet summit
sick copypasta
blazing condor
why Ardenweald?
Because its like only physical damage and thats our thang
covert sentinel
nice thx
chilly brook
Or that
blazing condor
You can do big pulls very comfortably
zenith vigil
just tried mists +16 with a 226tank. the dude was nonstop dead...is that normal?...
If he wasn't kiting during enrage he's bad
Otherwise fine
Maybe healing issues
sweet summit
not true
covert sentinel
didnt even live till 30% on most packs^^
sweet summit
you dont need to kite during raging windows
covert sentinel
more like charge thunderclap dead...at least it looked like that from my perspective
zenith vigil
you dont *need* to kite during raging windows
Well, if you're undergeared its slightly more urgent
hollow sun
when the whole pack enrages i usually die if i don't kite 
jagged pier
sick copypasta
Best copy pasta
cyan onyx
Damn, was he running reprisal? Lol
jagged pier
a lil undergeared for a 16 unless he's an excellent player
No 226 is fine was doing them week 1 at that ilvl
cyan onyx
Only pack I get squished by in any dungeon is the caster pack in DoS when I don't have SR up
jagged pier
just tried mists +16 with a 226tank. the dude was nonstop dead...is that normal?...
Uptime is bad metric, if hes dying in mists he isnt playing coreectly the place is like 99% blockable damage
blazing condor
ows > afe right
prisma bear
@sweet summit thanks for that pasta i have been putting off setting up logs for way too long that did it though cheers
jagged pier
ows > afe right
Both
blazing condor
🤔
sweet summit
i think id take ows if they are same ilvl
blazing condor
got 252 afe
246 ows
havent really tried it out enough
ows that is
but i assume that in m+ it should be easy to have 20 stacks
sweet summit
20 stacks 
blazing condor
would it not? 🥶
blazing condor
ah yes of course
sweet summit
they fall off after 15 seconds out of combat
sweet summit
so obviously in some dungeons it falls off often enough so that you wont really benefit enough from it
like DoS for example
strong forum
Idk 1 stack of OWS already beats afe...
sweet summit
not sure how good it is in ToP either, nor spires
strong forum
Ows is 100% uptime in combat, right
blazing condor
yea
strong forum
And 1 stack is already 150+ haste?
sweet summit
1 stack is 43 haste
blazing condor
43 haste
sweet summit
at 246
strong forum
sweet summit
that'd be nut
inland raft
Most dungeons can keep it up most of the time
blazing condor
at least ows is superior in raids
inland raft
Afe also procs off anything ive had it proc on charge therefore beinf useless since its a mile away
So glad i have ows now
strong forum
Ows owns
inland raft
While prot can stand still more then a lot of tanks i always found afe somehow managed to find times i needed to reposition to proc
craggy pilot
Because its like only physical damage and thats our thang
ah ok thx bro 🙂
finally 236 Phial 💪
what should i upgrade with valor?
236 Phial
236 Haste Vers ring
236 crit mastery neck with socket
or wait for belt from DOS? 🤔
cyan onyx
I think its always trinket weapon shield in that order but you could sim it?
amber herald
shield weapon/trinket
blazing condor
did a normal the nine for trinket
it drops for one of the tanks
he has it already
but doesnt wanna give
timid carbon
No 226 is fine was doing them week 1 at that ilvl
'excellent player'
bright flax
but doesnt wanna give
Probably giving to a guildie in run?
A guildie got sad with me that I put a cloak for roll last nm pug run
blazing condor
either way sad
jagged pier
'excellent player'
I am far from excellent
strong forum
226 is defo enough to do 16/17s with relative ease tbh
Keys are alot easier this season
But a tank being floorpov 24/7 in mists requires a special skill
Like, the only way I can see that happening is facetanking raging and having shit dps
jagged pier
He mustnt have been playing correctly tbh
strong forum
Has to
unkempt fox
do we know what the affixes are this week?
strong forum
Supposedly bursting volc
craggy pilot
jesus christ the first pull of DOS on Raging
cyan onyx
The first pull isn't even that bad tbh. Tons of kiting but it isn't horrible
chilly brook
like DoS for example
SoA makes me cry
distant crystal
the second pull where you get punished for using too many defensives on first pull tho
inland raft
Second pull is more rough enraged shadowcore not being kicked and spell reflect down is a deaths sentence pugs are not the way to play last week unless just doing chill keys
distant crystal
plus all the ape dps blew their damage on first pack
so you gotta tank second pack for 2 mins straight
chilly brook
the second pull where you get punished for using too many defensives on first pu...
Truuuuueeee
I've just resorted to not being in melee on first pull if I need something
chilly brook
so you gotta tank second pack for 2 mins straight
Just be a woyer
Have a 45 second rotation on CDs
ionic nimbus
US already up?
sweet summit
i dont see any vault screenshots so i doubt it
distant crystal
We can't even see the list of offline realms yet
definitely gonna be at least 10min
jagged pier
i dont see any vault screenshots so i doubt it
☝️
ionic nimbus
i dont see any vault screenshots so i doubt it
true 😄
jagged pier
Like is anyone still playing enough for screenshots
sick sentinel
they just extended maintenance another 2 hours
ionic nimbus
Tyrannical, Bursting, Volcanic, Tormented.
would be so fkn insane pushweek ....
prisma bear
typical 5 hour maintenance on a non patch day
does eu have to deal with this shit? i dont actually know
blazing condor
yeah we patch on the mornings
which is p nice
so you can wake up to the smell of fresh disappointment
primal cape
beautiful back and trinket you know what it is
prisma bear
i mean do you have to routinely deal with maintenances extended 2,3,4x or do they solve whatever problems through us first then you dont have to
primal cape
never had problems on eu
prisma bear
sigh you guys are so lucky
hollow sun
gloomy cradle
primal cape
can only push +20ish with this rude training week
hollow sun
isn't that boon of the archon? 😂
chilly brook
reroll trinkets <:yep:703420923625078804>
All of those trinkets hurt me
They hurt my soul
cyan onyx
I have scale and decanter of Anima charged winds. Wouldn't want it any other way
chilly brook
Drop decanter
Add phial
Drop scale
Add OWS or Aegis depending on what you need
sick sentinel
your saying scale isnt bis?
blazing condor
aegis > scale in m+
chilly brook
Aegis better in m+
Scale better in raid if you even need a defensive trinket
Which is a big if
latent pier
would aegis even have helped on a week like last's during enrage?
gloomy cradle
bursting can be dispell right ?
yep
prisma bear
@latent pier yes tanked 8 or so enraged deer in ardenweald dos 20 with it up easily last night
latent pier
spicy.
prisma bear
6 deer and 3ish of the little spriggans i guess it was
primal cape
if i dont kill the nine but others raid bosses, do i have a chance to drop aegis or no ?
rancid ember
Wowhead already showing week 8 but I don't see it announced yet
brave jetty
if i dont kill the nine but others raid bosses, do i have a chance to drop aegis...
don't think so
wide pilot
Aegis better in m+
does this stand true is your aegis is 239 and scale is 252?
gloomy cradle
if i dont kill the nine but others raid bosses, do i have a chance to drop aegis...
if you've killed the 9 before you're still eligible for loot iirc
wide pilot
last tier the only loot locked behind bosses for vaults were the last 2 bosses
chilly brook
does this stand true is your aegis is 239 and scale is 252?
An lfr aegis is better than a 252 scale if you take 20 hits during aegis
wide pilot
so would you take aegis in vault over anything if u alrdy have a 252 weapon/shield
obsidian girder
Hey, caught my self yesterday on bloodlust pull -offtanking - spamming only slam and revenge like a idiot cause I got so much rage. Should I claperoni there too - or is it fine to skip clap? (HC dormazain)
chilly brook
I'd take armor upgrades over trinkets
wide pilot
sounds good thx
sweet summit
Hey, caught my self yesterday on bloodlust pull -offtanking - spamming only slam...
Its fine to skip clap if you just want to do as much damage as possible, it doesnt do a whole lot of damage and only generates 5 rage
obsidian girder
Okay. Even with show force I guess
sweet summit
Very little × a small bit = not a lot
lime urchin
People have slam on their bars? 😮
bright flax
I do feel overloaded with rage on raid pulls, is that to be expected or should I just get better at dumping into SB and IP at start?
I actually switched to BSC on sylvannas since the revenge damage is rather useful for p2 and I'm just a monkey on p3
sweet summit
Shield slam yes
Revenge replaces slam as prot so thats not possible
Ya you generate a lot of threat on pull with cooldowns, especially if youre running unnerving and popping last stand too
sweet summit
Ya ^
Using shield block isnt a terrible idea either, for the added SS damage
But mostly revenge casts
bright flax
not the case (using LS on pull) , I think most of the time I try to make this my opener
avatar > charge > DS > SB/IP > Revenge > Spear
but by the point I get to use DS I'm already close to overloading and with spear I just face roll 😦
craggy pilot
every time i do DOS
we get 10 deaths first 2 packs
10 deaths Ardenweald
and then 0 deaths rest...
wtf am i doing wrong?
lime urchin
That’s a very open ended question
craggy pilot
like people are saying the first 2 pulls are not dangerous
yet i keep getting 1shot after using all my kite
using Leap + Soulshape
to kite
rugged mural
They’re wrong.
amber herald
not the case (using LS on pull) , I think most of the time I try to make this my...
use last stand after the opener if you're capping
craggy pilot
and people also said Ardenweald is best zone for Prot Warr? 🤔
yet thats literally the only place i struggle
rugged mural
First two pulls are scary - especially when pugs don’t have kick on their bars.
craggy pilot
getting 1 shot left and right by insane high melee
speaks for itself 😄
Scribe and Shadowcore on first 2 packs holy shit
amber herald
I'm shocked by a mage 2nd on the list
craggy pilot
wanna see the dps meter tho?
bright flax
use last stand after the opener if you're capping
I'm not even using LS on pull, although I like the idea if I was a chad venthyr prot. guess i just need to press my buttons better, sb and ip that is
craggy pilot
even more hilarious 😄
sick sentinel
not really shocked, hunters and rets are both generally bad
sick sentinel
thats some ooga booga shit there
jagged pier
🤔
craggy pilot
thats some ooga booga shit there
🤣
the 2nd pack has literally 4 mobs to keep CCd
is that even possible? or should i be able to survive at least a few Scribe?
oh wait im wrong, thats not 2nd pack
mellow bridge
ardenweald do be easy for prot warr tho 🤔
craggy pilot
thats the one in front of Ardenweald
mellow bridge
first 2 pulls are very hard however
and yes a few scribes will eventually go through if youre kicking shadowcores
craggy pilot
ardenweald do be easy for prot warr tho 🤔
i keep getting slaughtered in there 🤔
maybe im pulling too big
mellow bridge
unless you got beam and good aoe cc
idk i guess youre getting destroyed by enraged birds
craggy pilot
ye i was thinking midway like "holy shit DOS would be so easy with beam" 😄
mellow bridge
I dont know anything else that can even threaten you in there
craggy pilot
ye
mellow bridge
except matriarch but I hope you skip that lol
craggy pilot
the spot behind the dragon
so little space to kite 😦
oh i should skip matriarch? 😄
mellow bridge
well you cant expect to facetank an entire pull that's raging
if it's a few individual mobs that usually works
craggy pilot
nah
mellow bridge
and yes, matriarch is absolutely terrible
craggy pilot
but people always dps uneven
mellow bridge
you NEVER pull her
mellow bridge
She gives terrible count for the amount of hp and damage she has
if youre dying in that pull, I can almost guarantee it's the matriarch destroying you
craggy pilot
ah ok, so nothing special, just massive hp?
mellow bridge
especially because you cant CC her so she wrecks you when raging
craggy pilot
ye that, and also the Urn pull
like how am i supposed to be casting 8 second urn open shit
without dying?
craggy pilot
but the cast is longer than Shockwave 🤔
mellow bridge
best would be to let someone else open it if possible
craggy pilot
ye ok, guess its bad for tank to be NF then 😄
mellow bridge
well yes, but you want to reduce it at least for a bit
rugged mural
Somewhat related. Is there a good resource to find what Tormenters will be standing where in each dungeon each week? MDT and Keystone.guru don’t seem to keep up to date.
calm obsidian
yeah tbh i would almost skip the urn in arden if you're the only open and just kite
mellow bridge
Somewhat related. Is there a good resource to find what Tormenters will be stand...
there are only 2 rotations
best to just learn em
craggy pilot
got phial + ocular gland
rugged mural
You can call me dumb, but I can’t remember what I ate for breakfast, let alone how many weeks we’ve been on ‘B’ for 8 different dungeons.
mellow bridge
It's the same for each dungeon
calm obsidian
i think mdt is updated for a few weeks back now so you can look
mellow bridge
As in all dungeons are either on pattern A or B
I don't know of any resource that shows it
calm obsidian
mdt was showing the correct placements last week. and i belive it had them for the week before as well.
mellow bridge
Well MDT has the first pattern
So that will be correct half the time :p
Unless it has been updated to have the second one as well?
calm obsidian
yeah idk i know them at this point, but i thought it was updated. Maybe not tho
can't check rn TT
mellow bridge
Well for top there are 2 possibilities
Either tank guy or bleed guy when you go down
Other one in xav wing
And then ice or fire in gorexhop and the other one in ghost wing
So in the worst case you make two routes
And then decide which one you take once you get down
rugged mural
Do all dungeons do a swap of Sog/Varuth and Frost/Flame? If so, that’ll be easier to remember.
mellow bridge
Pretty sure yeah
calm obsidian
sog and frost are swapped in mists
rugged mural
Oh ok. That simplifies it a lot.
rugged mural
Darn (not sure what the language rules are here)
mellow bridge
But in each dungeon the minibosses can only be in two positions
Try to remember those for the few dungeons where it matters
inland raft
Darn (not sure what the language rules are here)
We an evangelical christian discord, that word is too strong
prisma bear
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night pebble
When aegis is active, the damage being absorbed, does that still go through when i have shield block/ignore pain up? to activate the damage thing
rancid ember
I'm confused by this question. You're asking if the Mitigation from SB is factored in prior to absorb or?
mellow bridge
When aegis is active, the damage being absorbed, does that still go through when...
can you clarify what you mean
tender phoenix
is it worth stacking haste to about 921 for the 12sec SB?
mellow bridge
what he said
tender phoenix
so not worth at all and im being dumb?
broken stratus
For M+, would piercing verdict conduit have higher damage or show of force?
cyan onyx
When aegis is active, the damage being absorbed, does that still go through when...
Are you asking if you should be using your active mitigation when this trinket procs?
night pebble
Sorry, tabbed
night pebble
Are you asking if you should be using your active mitigation when this trinket p...
yes
zenith vigil
so not worth at all and im being dumb?
Yes.
plush tendon
WHERE THE HELL DID THIS GO??
night pebble
basically that
mellow bridge
so not worth at all and im being dumb?
kinda
you dont need any specific amount of haste
amber herald
think he's asking will the trinket absorb the dmg to do the dmg effect
mellow bridge
there are no real breakpoints
having a 12s recharge on SB compared to a 12.1s doesnt matter
night pebble
like if I have shield block, 20k ignore pain up, pop the trinket, will it still absorb even tho im not "taking" damage
mellow bridge
you just go for ilvl > haste on almost any piece of gear
the trinket will still work in that case, yes
tender phoenix
ok will do
amber herald
the dmg needed for the trinket to do the dmg isn't very high
so I wouldn't think about it really
cyan onyx
Yee
night pebble
Okay, thank you
It was a dumb question but idfk, blizz works in weird ways sometimes just had to make sure lmao
short kiln
THAT'S a nice one-time
wide axle
Damn
short kiln
grats!
zenith vigil
I wonder if it's better than 213 aegis
considering i do mostly big-pull m+ when i do it
short kiln
the 1m30s cd on Aegis is big game
cyan onyx
So like, what are the trinkets I should be going for? I was under the impression scale was the best trinket and now I'm not so sure, is there a short list of the top 4 or what combinations are best?
modern brook
so not worth at all and im being dumb?
more haste is good by virtue of it being more stats. What you want to avoid doing is dropping ilvl to hit arbitrary #s of stats because it hits some break point
ocean yoke
got a 252 shield 
short kiln
Aegis, Scale, Old Warriors Soul and I guess... Phial?
modern brook
I'm lmaoing at 921 being an estimate, for the record
short kiln
the stat economy on OWS is insane rate
cyan onyx
Aegis, Scale, Old Warriors Soul and I guess... Phial?
Would I use aegis with scale or....
modern brook
AEgis in m+ scale in raid; PHial for damj
short kiln
I've used Aegis and Scale together, but my scale is only 213. I dropped scale once I got OWS
^
strong forum
The more the better @tender phoenix
zenith vigil
@strong forum 252 scale or 213 aegis
strong forum
Depends
strong forum
Very much depends on the dungeon and the pulls you do
modern brook
aegis fucks but tbh i would just throw on 39 ilvls of str and not care :/
zenith vigil
Ya my pulls aren't that huge
strong forum
You'd need to get hit... Around 17 times with aegis to be better mitigation, but yeah the ilvl will prolly be better
short kiln
it's more like, the high volume packs you run aegis, the smaller volume bigger hits you use scale
strong forum
17 times in 8 seconds is not alot
Given the average swing timer for mobs is 1.6 seconds
modern brook
Yah theres definitely usecases for it tbh
esp in like
dos
or something where you have multiple large pulls
short kiln
I felt the difference between aegis and scale during ardenweld pull for sure
modern brook
lmao "keys"
strong forum
But you'd have to make 6+ mob pulls every 1.5min for 213 aegis to beat 252 scale
modern brook
speaking of keys what are affixes this week?
unkempt fox
Aegis, Scale, Old Warriors Soul and I guess... Phial?
What about reactive defense matrix?
strong forum
So I think scale is just better outside of ultra pull count keys
short kiln
volcanic bursting
modern brook
does matrix own? i thought it was stam?
strong forum
Matrix is mainstat + dmg and mitigation proc
strong forum
Codex?
strong forum
From tazerfashion
plush tendon
Codex pretty pog for BDK
strong forum
Couldn't think of a pun name for tazavesh, and I just watched guardians of the galaxy 2 with tazerface dude
modern brook
yeah
strong forum
Apparently Codex will be huge once its out in m+ but to me the trinket doesn't sound all that good
Supposedly has 50% uptime on its 10% DR but idk
modern brook
was gunna say it depends heavily on the uptime
5% flat DR is worth armor loss probably
esp at higher gear levels
plush tendon
This was shared in the BDK disc
modern brook
lmao that an entire dungeon :^)
plush tendon
yep: DoS
modern brook
poor dk bro
plush tendon
and I looked at Elni 24 Mist log
was his top damage in there
obviously, cant compare Prot War and BDK damage outright, but in those situations it was doing a lot of damage
strong forum
Weird
According to wowhead tooltip the proc rate is abysmal
From the last time I checked it
plush tendon
If someone has it, can they try it this week and give us some data on it 😄
plush tendon
probably helps that Blood gets hit hard
strong forum
However it's 10%
Yeah
You need to get fucking smacked for it to deal dmg
50k hit
To get the max value out of it
sweet summit
proc rate is pretty good
plush tendon
at least deal full damage
plush tendon
but lets say you are in Ardenweald with all those birdies gnawing at you
strong forum
I guess frequency of getting hit also works
modern brook
apparently theres a bug that makes it pull any target for as long as the proc is active just by lcicking on it
strong forum
But for bdk it's infinitely more value than for us
modern brook
which gives us a gimmick for Mists to pull through the fog
plush tendon
fo sure
strong forum
Yeah it can pull w/e
plush tendon
probably even bonkers for brew
strong forum
Ye
Basically it's better for everyone but bear and us
Cuz bear just absorbs everything (idk if that would count)
plush tendon
I think we have to look at damage per hit taken after mitigation
strong forum
Probably
plush tendon
so tanks that take lots of upfront damage will get more value
plush tendon
Well, ill be running Taz on my DK to get it
and then when 9.2 comes out, if it does, then guess we'll be farming Taz part 2
modern brook
iunno
theres very little reason to expect it to get a scaling ilvl at its current efficacy
plush tendon
for sure; it also gives stam and not prim stat
so even a low I level one is big value
modern brook
i mean more that its likely they'll do a tuning patch on taz trinkets and unique items before they're brought into end game mythic gear levels
plush tendon
Well it could be fire mage treatment like when the mechagone bracers came out
but we shall see; Im just curious to see how it fairs on a Prot War
modern brook
yah the future holds many doors
plush tendon
yah the future holds many doors
and for some reason, it likes to keep shutting those doors in my face
dusky canopy
Considering we don't really face tank alot of damage because we're blocking it instead it probably won't be that great for us right? Unless the damage is counted regardless of it removing health or being blocked
strong forum
Yeah it's prolly the worst for us
In terms of dealing dmg
Mitigation wise it'll still be valuable for high keys
odd tree
not sure why i went to arms for this one. OWS for m+, how fast does the buff fade out of combat?
strong forum
15sec
odd tree
damn
strong forum
After 15seconds you lose the buff
odd tree
very nice
brave jetty
What is the prevailing strat for H Sylv with respect to platforms and stacks? Was in a group last night that had the other tank make a complete circuit with a healer during 1st arrow. That normal?
rotund thicket
does the bron hotfix change anything for us?
jagged pier
no
blazing condor
I cant understand how blizz lets Storm Earth and Fire exist in the game still
Considering that it has to be hotfixed every week
shell fox
got ksm with my prot today
strong forum
huge
shell fox
im done with m+ now
strong forum
as are most
blazing condor
i have lost p much all interest in pushing m+
I got 8 portals and then now i just do weeklies with friends and guild
shell fox
covenants and grinds?
blazing condor
Big true
I got my portals during the limbo week between s1-s2
So i havent even pushed at all
shell fox
i just want next expansion
jagged pier
should have done that
shell fox
or wotlk classic
blazing condor
shell fox
blazing condor
be nice
blazing condor
I like when those kind of pics just turn into good memes
Like people printing out a pic of their phone-picture
empty spindle
I got the heroic aegis out of vault
Is it broken ? In m+ ? Is it better than scale ?
blazing condor
Yes yes and yes in m+
kindred grove
What Anima Powers should I choose?
blazing condor
I usually go Barbs, Interrupt power, Vers+damage reduc and shield
kindred grove
Is there like a magic dmg reduce?
cyan onyx
Can anyone give a shirt rundown on shield block usage? Should we be overlapping applications? When do we use IP? lol
blazing condor
Yeah you have a magic reduc from sogodon
kindred grove
but I enjoyed Warr in Bfa
blazing condor
Can anyone give a shirt rundown on shield block usage? Should we be overlapping ...
You want as much SB uptime as possible. With reprisal legendary you can do at least 80% effective uptime.
Shield block can interlap stacks, i recommend getting a WA that shows the buff. You can get a max of like 16s at once so dont use a charge if youre already high up. IP is used as a defensive rage dump and should only be used over shield block in fights with little to no physical damage
jagged pier
DONT NOT OVER LAP STACKS
if u overlap and then a boss goes into a cast
u just lost a lot of effective uptime
blazing condor
Yeah that
Maybe wasnt clear
You can overlap
But just make sure you have the block up
cyan onyx
So it should be used before taking hits, and I should try to keep a charge available for any abilities that might be coming up? I know this is probably super basic to most people but I want to make sure I'm not fuckong it up. The guides online don't exactly give much info lol
blazing condor
You want to keep as high of a shield block uptime as possible
In any fight that isnt pure magic damage
Any fight you can block attacks
stark sage
high 'effective' uptime, like Jakey said if you have it up for 3s during a cast its not real uptime
idk if this is standard practice, but i try to run out and charge right before a swap to get reprisal up, then use my block charges and intervene etc whenever the boss isnt casting
jagged pier
that is what your supposed to do
brave jetty
I've seen the table of dmg from our shard set bonuses, do we know what the diff of the shards themselves is?
I'm curious if Unholy actually overtakes blood because that's where most of the strongest DPS shards are
Though I guess you could drop Kyr and run 2 unholy on top of 3 blood
jagged pier
brave jetty
Hey just seeing if there was existing info, seems like a question where there could have been
strong forum
blood is our best shard for dps by quite a significant margin
given that it was already better before the buff
unless youre talking about just running individual shards and not set bonuses
brave jetty
Shard + set
cyan onyx
Thank you guys btw, I think I get it now and I was using it wrong.
blazing condor
i wish every fellow warrior a very pleasant vault
short kiln
got a raid shield yo, so it was like Xmas in August.
wide pilot
not sure what to pick alrdy have a 252 shield but its crit/vers so it would be a side grade. would it be worth to replace a 233 haste/mastery ring with either of these 252 rings?
this is my current ring
wide pilot
yea
strong forum
then pick the ring
wide pilot
now since neither of them have haste just pick the one that sims better dps?
or the one with more vers
wide pilot
neither do
strong forum
its still worth the ilvl upgrade tho
wide pilot
commander is crit/vers and ritual is vers/mastery
wide pilot
so for rings when neither have haste and ur take the ilvl upgrade do you just go for what sims better dps? or do you go for what gives more vers
subtle tulip
Yo what loot specialization you guys go? I got 252 shield + 246 blood splattered trink. For vault I mean.
wide pilot
@strong forum would you still take the ritual bone band over the ritual commander's ring since neither have haste?
wide pilot
is that for dps purposes?
wide pilot
does crit affect healing received by healers or only our self healing
rancid ember
Where my leech kings
wide pilot
tool tip just reads increases the effectiveness of attacks and heals
wide pilot
ah ok
wide pilot
imagine having updated tooltips lol
strong forum
i mean technically its not wrong
river escarp
This might sound like a no brainer, but 252 Weap haste/verse or 246 Dom Shoulders with haste vers? I already have the set bonus, but I feel like I might never see these shoulders again and I can get a weap off M Eye
crystal mauve
I have 28% haste and 19% Vers, I feel like I need more Vers - I don't know what to pick ? Please help!
wide pilot
i took the ring but it really hurts to see that haste drop from 29% to 23%
ionic fern
I have 28% haste and 19% Vers, I feel like I need more Vers - I don't know what ...
You NEED 0 vers.
crystal mauve
You NEED 0 vers.
Fine, I WANT more vers 🙂
mighty valley
I have 28% haste and 19% Vers, I feel like I need more Vers - I don't know what ...
what's the stat spread on these and what are they replacing?
strong forum
just pic whatever has haste
crystal mauve
Sabatons 42crit/78 vers - Stompers 45crit/76haste, I curently have 236 Sabatons
crystal mauve
Is haste that much better than vers? I know you have more mele/rage/CD reduction but flat vers seems good too, isn't it?
oblique garnet
@jagged pier slowly but surely getting betteer ! 
wide pilot
that pump
crystal mauve
@oblique garnet wth is that? haha nice job man!
wide pilot
that with reprisal or seismic
wide pilot
nice highest ive gotten was 7.1k but not sure it counts since it was only in a 10 lol
mighty valley
Is haste that much better than vers? I know you have more mele/rage/CD reduction...
it's pretty small differences either way, vers is fine, haste just fuels everything we do
you can feel haste in a way you can't feel vers, haha
strong forum
Is haste that much better than vers? I know you have more mele/rage/CD reduction...
keep in mind the defensive gain is very little from vers unless you stack a fuckload of it
radiant anvil
Ok Fam i got a choice this week out of my vault lol
i either upgrade my trinket from 239 or take that 246 ring
radiant anvil
i use the 233 version because idk dps
radiant anvil
i feel like 902 haste is just to much haste
strong forum
basically 39% haste before ITF is where you wanna think about stopping to get haste
radiant anvil
yeah i sit at 40% with itf
strong forum
yup
oblique garnet
basically 39% haste before ITF is where you wanna think about stopping to get ha...
playing itf
strong forum
in raid you do.
ITF is also specifically mentioned because people then bring the argument that they are over 39 with itf
because they dont know that ITF doesnt count towards stat tax
patent osprey
radiant anvil
ive only got 3 more items i can get with more haste
which could bring me to around 1100
radiant anvil
pictures or it didnt happen
😄
Im joking this is my first patch im maining prot warrior
i was a dps until i saw pika
mellow bridge
youre probably missing haste heavy rings/necks then
and/or some of your haste pieces are low haste high w/e is on it
radiant anvil
you are not wrong about the neck
zenith vigil
The only thing that matters is your play
stats, covenants, gear
just tears in the rain
crystal iris
So guys, lets say im lazy and getting tired of charge weaving all over the place for reprisal, whats the next best thing? The wall for M+?
im not planning on tanking anything over a 17 anytime soon
I read the pins but im not looking for max performance in +20, just something easy to use that doesnt make me have to jump around all the time
maiden ravine
I like the stomp legendary with demo shout increasing damage you do
crystal iris
thats not bad i guess you get really good uptime on demo shout
maiden ravine
It was one of the m+ legendaries before they made reprisal good
crystal iris
instead of having to work around a slightly longer CD Shield wall with The wall you just pop demo shout on CD to fill in gaps
interesrting
crystal iris
more looking to survive, last week i found 16s quite difficult
so keep my overall damage taken under 4k
modern brook
Your overall damage taken has a lot less to do with your leggo than I think you think it foes
crystal iris
i dont have a crazy pushing team, when the best of my guild run keys im dps and we have a better tank, so when i tank its usually for other guildies who arent as coordinated / good at kicks
modern brook
In order of usefulness reprisal wall reverb em glory thunder
Just grab one
You're fine
You're inting for not playing reprisal
crystal iris
Ive been trying to improve but find it diffuclt to kite
modern brook
But you're fine
elfin nova
crystal iris
You're inting for not playing reprisal
inting?
crystal iris
taking more dmg than needed
modern brook
Intentionally making a bad choice
crystal iris
no ive been playing reprisal for ever now but idk its getting stale having to weave in and out so much
Im a bit of a new tank and its a lot
chilly brook
so keep my overall damage taken under 4k
Damage taken doesnt necessarily matter
The better metric is does your healer struggle or do you overtax your healer
strong forum
Overall dmg taken is not a good metric lol
chilly brook
Which trust me your healer will let you know
crystal iris
on fury I can focus on the dungeon and mechanics but tanking between watching HP, SB, IP and keeping them grouped I dont always want to think about weaving in charges, i dont mind the intervenes
strong forum
You don't have to charge alot in m+ to keep block uptime
modern brook
Healerz are a bad metric tbh
strong forum
crystal iris
Yeah i always ask at the end of the dungeon, they usually say i was fine but I know the pulls i go down are my fault
chilly brook
I dont really focus on much as prot except for the dungeon
It's just a matter of getting comfortable and having the information where you need it
crystal iris
its literally chaos for me haha
strong forum
It's just practice and comfort you're lacking with prot
modern brook
I don't ask the it guy for a form check
Ain't gunba ask my dweeb of a healer if I'm tanking ok
I am
strong forum
For me playing reprisal and prot is literally a no brainer
modern brook
He's healing poorly >::(
strong forum
Takes 0 effort
brave jetty
I find it a lot easier to incorporate charges on higher keys. Intervenes are free either way. But higher keys have more kiting moments so boom, free charges.
strong forum
But if you absolutely don't wanna play reprisal, defensively wall is the next best thing
chilly brook
Healerz are a bad metric tbh
Not really, if it's a pug healer I'd agree but if it's someone you know is a good healer and you run with a lot asking/paying attention to how easy or hard you make their life is about as good as it gets
strong forum
Offensively the only leggo that is better then reprisal is seismic reverb
crystal iris
good to know, anything under 12 or 10 fort i usually pull out natures fury or reverb
strong forum
*and nature's fury
maiden ravine
I kinda hate that they didn't keep thunderlord stompers closer to relevant when they buffed everything else
crystal iris
yeah watch ill try the wall and realize shit i have no rage
strong forum
good to know, anything under 12 or 10 fort i usually pull out natures fury or re...
Keys under 15 exist?
crystal iris
it is nice to charge in, sb is up and ive got free revenge
maiden ravine
I quit my warrior in 9.0 so I'm missing it, but I want to play her more
strong forum
And you got more rage from that charge
You get fucking 85 effective rage per charge
That is NUTTY
crystal iris
Keys under 15 exist?
Its more of a social guild. Shadowlands is my first expansion and were only 3 or 4 to have KSM so far. I got mine last week. worked pretty hard for it
maiden ravine
I'm guessing with Reprisal you go BSC?
strong forum
Yes
crystal iris
weve got maybe 2 healers, 1 MT and 2 off tanks and 4 dps that can run anything over 14 in my guild, but i love them
strong forum
Its more of a social guild. Shadowlands is my first expansion and were only 3 or...
Then keep at it, for a new person prot war can be alot to manage with reprisal
!
crystal iris
thats what im finding
think bolster / HR would make it any easier? I know its the lazy mans build
strong forum
HR + reprisal is the lazy man build yes
Bolster you only play with wall
Or if you're baller, you play AM even without reprisal
maiden ravine
bolster is cool cause I love having a big 2 min CD
crystal iris
AM + wall you get shield wall every pack i guess?
strong forum
Pmuch, but you'll miss some block uptime
That being said I did upload a key with elysian might and AM
Trying to pad some dmg
Still had 68% blocked hits so not too terrible
But pretty much as expected, elysian might isn't more damage than reprisal
crystal iris
i might try bolster on weeks where i can chain pull
becuase otherwise i dont find myself using it that much because I dont usually run out of SB that badly
strong forum
Keep in mind 3 SBs arent usually enough to kill a pack
chilly brook
I mean honestly theres no reason to not play reprisal
crystal iris
more like just making conversation at this point
chilly brook
Neither did I, then i adapted