I just did a 18 NW I just wana be Plka jr like the idol
#protection
worthy karma
jagged pier
if u want to be plka jr u have to do higher keys than that 18s are low
blazing condor
Ya’ll are just mere Pichus
ionic fern
Best advice for anyone looking to push keys.
Get a dedicated group you can run from week to week and be vocal about calling interrupts.
blazing condor
Take time to sit together and discuss as well
Routes and strats etc
Everyone should be on the same page on what yall wanna do
worthy karma
Yeahhh lol idk first time doing weaksauce pushing lol I'm fired up
lime urchin
Best advice for anyone looking to push keys.
Get a dedicated group you can run f...
Aye. I started doing this at the end of 8.3 and finally have a group of 5-8 people dat have my (average) skill level and like to push once or twice a week. Have been building that up adding nice pug people to the bnet friendlist but sweet baby Jesus it took a while.
hollow sun
I think it will.be possible to do the 20s archievement even the next patch
If there is going to be a next patch 
obsidian girder
Hey, is there any amount of haste that gets dumb for prot ?
pliant dust
with 212 ilvl warrior, how big keys would you consider doing?
obsidian girder
Hey, is there any amount of haste that gets dumb for prot ?
Sitting on flat 22% without in to the fray and got an anima emitter.
timber jasper
nvm, just saw the sheet is german 😄
hollow sun
You can go higher than that l. I think someone said that 41% is kinda the limit
jagged pier
with 212 ilvl warrior, how big keys would you consider doing?
any u feel comfortable doing
jagged pier
Sitting on flat 22% without in to the fray and got an anima emitter.
u want to get to close to 40% as possible without droping ilvl on armour piece because past 40% every 10 haste u gain is actually 8, but this only effects gear, things like ITF and emitter etc still give the full amount of haste past 40%
dusky mica
block uptime doesn't go up a huge amount with fat haste, you still have to rely on reprisal
jagged pier
no because u need 166% to get 100% uptime, but more haste isnt just more block time its more rage its more procs its being able to use more spells ingeneral
i reckong with 40% haste, emitter, OWS, and ITF u can get very very high haste
dusky mica
good for dps, yeah
if there was a tank simbot I think it would probably suggest full potato stats (vers/mastery) over haste
jagged pier
no it would show haste first
dusky mica
you reckon?
jagged pier
as its our best defensive stat yes
blazing condor
Im gonna try running full haste build for fun
obsidian girder
u want to get to close to 40% as possible without droping ilvl on armour piece b...
Means 40% without emitter procc and without intf is the target
jagged pier
yes without buffs only from armour
obsidian girder
Would you go 226 gauntlets over 236? If 226 would be your forth Dom socket
obsidian girder
Just asking in terms of Dom socket
obsidian girder
Ok
jagged pier
even in m+
welcome to shit system 100
blizzard has added in
and a system they added after saying they wouldnt add new systems
timber jasper
I run 226 shoulders over 252 in raid progress because of the socket :/
obsidian girder
@jagged pier and socket haste no matter what or is it advicesable to get versa for prog ?
jagged pier
u dont need vers
obsidian girder
Can you explain that for me
obsidian girder
Ok
somber compass
if haste is so important why do some of the top 10 Prot tanks go with like 10 % haste and rocking around with like 25%+ versa
i mean i also stack haste , im just curious
jagged pier
because at 25s its a different game
somber compass
yea ok
jagged pier
dont forget though 25% vers is only 12% damage reduction its really not that much
but it might save them from that 1 missed kicked or somthing
thats why they are high vers
jagged pier
but in general for like 99.9% of ppl vers means very little
somber compass
ty for the explanation
strong forum
Because I've successfully converted plka
👍
But as jakey said, stats don't determine your success in m+. Having a big dick group and playing around your strengths and weaknesses is key
zenith vigil
sure, sure
jagged pier
he said after prog its likely he will switch
jagged pier
thats what i was looking for
jagged pier
not when your behind on reknown
strong forum
NF is better on the last 2
jagged pier
and it looks like NF is better on slyv and thats all that really counts
somber compass
- the mobility from NF
autumn pendant
But as jakey said, stats don't determine your success in m+. Having a big dick g...
True meta is 4 warriors and reflecting all casts
jagged pier
u meme the skyhold weekly is basically that
autumn pendant
quartz bluff
Is there any optimal use for blood scale trinket or just use it on cd?
elfin nova
Why not 5
autumn pendant
Two leggos
jagged pier
this
smoky wave
Bring back 5sec SR duration
I just miss gag order.
jagged pier
there may have been to start with
strong forum
What if Blizzard is trying to make time walking the true endgame
So you use hoa + legion leggos + SL leggos +previous leggos
- azerite
zenith vigil
and each leggo has a domination socket
jagged pier
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grave grove
$pb 234926532856905728
true pawnBOT
Done.
cyan onyx
So do I get more survivability out of my 226 dom chest or a 239 ilvl piece? These sockets have me so confused lol
jagged pier
yes
cyan onyx
Easy enough. Thanks!
inland raft
Well survival wise the accretion and probably the health and increased healing one beats ilvl, tou ccan prob take ilvl over the damage ones in keys if you only care about survival but the damage is more worth since kill things faster they cant hurt you so id still take the sockets personally
Dead mobs is best mitigation
cyan onyx
Also a good point
tropic gorge
Ugh last night was super bad for pug m+.
I had a group with a fury warrior and a dk (I don't remember what the ranged was) in nw13, who didn't target any bombs. So I did them, ezpz right. Until the war and dk started bitching about having to move around because I kept moving shit lol
The group unfortunately failed when the healer (key owner) bailed. So Mr fury war messages me telling me I suck. My route was trash. And I quote "instantly fucking perished" every pull lol
My only issue with the static was, how can a route suck in a straight line dungeon. Sadly he blocked me before I could remind him it's bomb week
dusky canopy
Nw route actually can very alot depending on how you run it, I like to leave first boss room with 26%ish witch leaves % for the necro pack by the 3rd kyrian buff goliath.. then you use orb buff for a big pull up there, usually the skeleton pack with the fear pather and the two pack by the spear up there
inland raft
Its a rough week in general, i do a lot of my guilds weekly keys and failed a few 15s between orbs going off or just no soothe or help with kiting/kicking enraged casters, normally have no issues with taking guildies to 18-20s for reference
Watching healer go 100-0 taking a 47k bolt to the face on a 15 cuz missed kick is rough theres a reason this combo was removed before
Best you can do is just play your best and try to tell people to focus on low health mobs especially if dont have a soothe
dusky canopy
Idk why but I haven't really been feeling the need to kite much this week in the 15s/16s I've been farming?
inland raft
If stuff dies quickly it isnt an issue
dusky canopy
I can see why raging hurts in 20s sure but it definitely does not hurt in 15s in my experience
Biggest issue pugging this week is the explosives imo, If you get a group where no one wants to do them it shows LOL..
Heroic throw spam I guess
inland raft
Get the plugin for details
Reports how many times people targeted and how many killed
So you can shame your group
tropic gorge
With big dps and on point soothes, kiting can be totally forgotten
Every pug I get that I do not have to kite enrages, I get 2 where I'm spending as much time running as tanking lol
I'm also not super high ilvl. And while I can block /trinket absorb a good bit of dmg, well yeah. 228 ilvl only can be so strong
dusky canopy
I've been using enemy damage taken to see orb damage so I can kinda see who's doing them and who isnt
inland raft
Soothe is the big one especially like the big boys in dos, normally low keys i dont bother kiting them when they do their normal enrage cuz whatever this week been globaled through wall and block on a 16
inland raft
Its a plugin for details
dusky canopy
I'm also not super high ilvl. And while I can block /trinket absorb a good bit o...
Really abuse the power of shield block when you get the hang of that you'll feel like a God in keys against physical damage. also never turn your back to mobs kite by strafing or just simply back pedal.. you get crit hard from the back
tropic gorge
I do!
I'm pretty good at rolling it, and combining it with the tank trinket from "the nine"
inland raft
9 trinket is really cheat mode
tropic gorge
I have just enough haste where I can do 3 blocks in a row, and a second or so gap between the 4th
inland raft
Even a lfr one beats any other trinket for defensive value
dusky canopy
Reprisal?
tropic gorge
I love that trinket so much
inland raft
And ya reprisal should get tou close to if not to 100% effective uptime
tropic gorge
I'm using "the wall" atm
dusky canopy
Just got my 226 aegis last night debating if I run that with my 246 scale... or keep using scale and old warrior soul
inland raft
Use aegis
tropic gorge
I need to get around to crafting another cloak for reprisal
inland raft
Its fucking broken af in keys
dusky canopy
I need to get around to crafting another cloak for reprisal
Reprisal is a game changer
inland raft
No damage cap
dusky canopy
Charge in get shield block
Intervene Healer get shield block
Use shield block charges
Walk out of pack charge
Rinse repeat
tropic gorge
I do like being able to shield wall almost every pull tho
Anger management plus the wall can get sw cd under 1m
inland raft
I was at 6k hp in guild group last night in first pull dos and realized healer had not actually swapped to heal and so had no heal, popped it and lived no issue through raging
modern brook
I've been using enemy damage taken to see orb damage so I can kinda see who's do...
Unless details officially addresses the issue of overkill this is no longer a helpful metric for identifying explosives done
inland raft
Theres plugin that addresses it
dusky canopy
I like to time my walls for heavy magic damage packs otherwise theirs really no reason to waste it unless you'll miss an entire cooldown of it witch of course is a waste
inland raft
Shows both intent to kill (via targetting or mouseover ability usage) and total killed
dusky canopy
Unless details officially addresses the issue of overkill this is no longer a he...
Thanks for pointing that out I'll have to look for the plugin
inland raft
So they cant even try the excuse of was trying to kill but someone else got it first
You can clearly see who was even trying
inland raft
Its heals job
dusky canopy
5head
inland raft
But group should help
tropic gorge
Good for guild or friend runs. Maybe good to help pugs thst want to improve. However I feel a lot of players won't even care
dusky canopy
An explosive going off is all 5 members fault period
jagged pier
Unless details officially addresses the issue of overkill this is no longer a he...
if your the only one on the meter its useful
tropic gorge
Hey I'll pop bombs all day. Just don't qq when you're chasing mobs around :)
dusky canopy
@jagged pier @modern brook exactly
inland raft
Some classes better or worse then others at it, like arms warrior is gonna basically not touch orbs but a shaman should have high count
modern brook
"Checking explosives is pointless it's just to feel better about a lost key"
But I'm fucking dying and don't want to get into it
inland raft
It procs the damage gem for new enemy hit
Once dps hear that youll see them try more
inland raft
Idk im not nf anymore and cant remember if it did from last explosive week
inland raft
It actually makes me sad when i play arms cuz opportunity cost for arms is far too high to really do explosives effectively
modern brook
Can fury ww them if it's targeted?
sweet summit
no
modern brook
Rip fury sucks lmao
inland raft
Just target them during ww though for auto attack
dusky canopy
Arms really only can slam them witch is alot of damage lost
dusky canopy
And If you have to waste rage to slam them its really a lost
inland raft
Some classes better then others for sure
Best ability arms has is hamstring actually
Cheaper then slam, but ya its punishing for arms to do orbs more then most
Healer should be able to get majority though
brisk sparrow
am I missing something or how does it work? tried to tank plaguefall 15 yesterday and while trying to pull the wretched plagueborers into another group, they hit mit for 3x20k with wretched phlegm, another time it worked out without any issues
is there something that triggers them to do so? is there something I could do besides just shield walling in advance?
brisk sparrow
okay thank you, will try to adapt to do that
strong forum
They always cast that phlegm shortly before they blow up
coarse meadow
intervene can block attacks made to my ally? or i just get the full damage he would get by autos
strong forum
Anything that could be considered a physical attack
Emphasis on physical
But yes, you can block the intervene attacks
coarse meadow
oh nice, like the adds that fix on someone, i could just intervene them and they keep killing the adds while my reprisal do his work and put my shield block up
strong forum
Yes
blazing condor
Phlegm a bitch
brisk sparrow
I have seen a few higher keys just now and they don't attempt the pull I did... they play the borers one by one... I guess at 15 that is not needed but safer if going with a pug^^
strong forum
Nobody is playing around the borers alot
jagged pier
no point anymore
strong forum
You have 4-6 strong borers
Depending on how you pull
Only the ones spawning from the miniboss do actual dmg
And they only spawn in limited amounts now
brisk sparrow
the pack I am talking about it the one after the first boss, they just destroyed me^^
strong forum
Those borers do nothing but the phlegm
strong forum
🤷♂️
brisk sparrow
so sr stun and def cds if they aren't dying fast enough should be the play I guess
as jakey advised me to 🙂
strong forum
They only cast phlegm once iirc
And it's 2 borers in that pack
The 3rd borer is from the patrol you pulled
Or smth like that
brisk sparrow
okay I see...so I am fine with just the two of them if I survive the first burst with sr
thanks for all the insight again 🙂 I am trying to get a little better and those really caught me off guard^^
strong forum
For me it's usually the slow that fucks me over from phlegm
Never noticed that cast doing dmg
Corroded claws does much more dmg
But you can reflect that aswell
brisk sparrow
well the slow caught me aswell a few times...but 3x20k seemed crazy to me^^
strong forum
They were prolly enraged
brisk sparrow
was right when I pulled them into the pack, so they shouldn't have been
I am still sitting at 65k hp so that also might be a little issue
strong forum
That is fairly low for today's standards ye
brisk sparrow
still no problem when playing optimally...which I am not though 😄
blazing condor
It feels weird to me that people still clear every pack after 1st in plaguefall up to second it just feels like itd be slow
But obviously it aint cus top runs dont skip any
Ive personally not skipped to 1st and then just gone around everything
blazing condor
The mushrooms are fine
patent osprey
mushrooms are bait 😉
blazing condor
I pull right side mushrooms then take the first pack after 1st with cannister
Then roc + pack on left
Then just go around everything and do tentacles n shit with borers
Just way comfier route but i dont push
So im sure its worse than skipping
But 🤷♂️
primal cape
are pal and monk better than us dpsing ?
strong forum
Are you asking if ret paladin and ww monks are better dps, or are you asking if prot paladin and brewmaster do more dps?
strong forum
Prot pal and brm deal more damage than us yes
WW is also better than arms/fury in m+, but not in raid
Ret pal no clue, I think they're worse than arms in both
jagged pier
my co tank has switched to dk for soulrender and it has no gear
i literally over aggro all the time
short kiln
YUP
jagged pier
doesnt help i got max blood set yesterday
distant crystal
doesn't matter, had deathgrips
distant crystal
We got our bear on his alt DK and a rogue on his alt DK tanking for that fight
our brew went WW
strong forum
Cringe
jagged pier
cringe having alts honestly
strong forum
Very cringe
distant crystal
filthy casuals
distant crystal
our lone DK dps quit
primal cape
Are you asking if ret paladin and ww monks are better dps, or are you asking if ...
prot and bw doing more damages ?
distant crystal
but...we bullied the bear to cov-swap his alt to necrolord so two bdks is kinda overkill now
plush tendon
Necro Blood is pog
strong forum
prot and bw doing more damages ?
yes
in raid they do alot more dmg
in m+ prot pal does around the same dmg we do, brew in m+ does apparently ~1k dps more than us
dusky canopy
I'm averaging 5.5-6k overall in 15s/16s depending on dungeon and weather or not we utilize covenant buffs.. I know it could be better but feels solid to me
plush tendon
I'm averaging 5.5-6k overall in 15s/16s depending on dungeon and weather or not ...
looks at my DK struggling to hit 5k....
strong forum
ya BDK is the black sheep of m+ dmg when it comes to tanks
rancid ember
DK Only way I can hit 5K+ Is early Stygian King Barbs power
strong forum
everyone else is on average does 6-6.5k
plush tendon
Though, the fun part of BDK is HPS anyways XD
strong forum
VDH Brew and Guardian get boosted from weapons actually
plush tendon
20k on some packs this week 😄
strong forum
so they will prolly end up doing more than prot once theyre max geared
cuz Veinripper OP
dusky canopy
I saw deswinds 7k overall as protwar he posted the other day thats nuts
dusky canopy
Must be triple packing every pull lmao
strong forum
not rly no
plush tendon
naw, just dont press IP as much, good rage management and busting down packs
dusky canopy
I feel like I revenge constantly the only thing I can think of is I'm ranging a few mobs in a pack maybe or I'm positioned so the cone is just barley missing some
I guess that's just a me prob
strong forum
revenges hit is actually massive
very long for its small animation
and basically 180°
plush tendon
Nom also running with how much crit now?
dusky canopy
So my crit is probably a huge factor imo because my casts per minute is decent
9% crit here.. rip
35%haste though and 11% vers
ionic fern
Or...your DPS'ers are horrible.
plush tendon
I mean, 6k is solid
route matters, speed at which things are dying matters, and how much you kite matters
plush tendon
but skipping a intermission on mists 2nd boss is stonks
pale gust
stats dont matter
But still, you got to cap at least a minimum amount of vers, right?
strong forum
?
ionic fern
There's no such thing as a "minimum amount of vers".
strong forum
do you see any vers in my screenshot?
plush tendon
minimum amount of vers is 0%
strong forum
i dont
inland raft
Vers is a trap
plush tendon
Vers is a trap
well... its not that bad
inland raft
Idk i heard 6.87 was ideal
strong forum
no 6.12%
dusky canopy
Why is 9% optimal is that what you have?
rancid ember
Are your Pwars doing ok tanking Fort + Raging in the 20+~ range? (Specifically Melee dmg)
I'm still gearing mine up atm. I've been playing VDH doing ok but definitely kiting alot this week.
strong forum
na you cant tank raging mobs on 20++
pale gust
Is there any optimal use for blood scale trinket or just use it on cd?
At pull, it gives aggro and shield
inland raft
As long as soothes go out and you dont try yo face tank a pack of all raging mobs your finebut no you arent standing there face tanking
inland raft
Even low keys face tanking is bad idea if stuff isnt dying fast
jagged pier
But still, you got to cap at least a minimum amount of vers, right?
what?
sturdy sable
Oh are we having our weekly vers conversation again? Lol
plush tendon
well, its no longer daily so thats a plus 😄
we've replaced the daily vers talk with which shade of blue is better
pale gust
what?
Well i could be dead wrong, but i wouldnt look down on a decent amount of versatility
pale gust
There's no such thing as a "minimum amount of vers".
Why not man?
sturdy sable
No amount of vers is going to make you a better tank
At least no amount we can attain atm
strong forum
counter question
what do you think would be a sufficient amount of vers to be considered a minimal requirement
cuz id be really curious to hear your reasoning
brisk sparrow
how about 200% vers, ever thought of that?
maybe that would make you the perfect tank
😛
strong forum
@pale gust
jagged pier
Well i could be dead wrong, but i wouldnt look down on a decent amount of versat...
there is no amount of vers u need for any content, if u think u need x amount you are wrong in your thinking, dont get us wrong vers is a great 3rd stat but u dont drop ilvl or haste for it ever, as after haste and ilvl stats really really dont matter as 99% of your suvivability comes from play like .1% of whats left is stats
plush tendon
Part of the reasoning why vers isnt necessary is that in the vast majority of cases the extra damage reduction given by vers, which is also equal to half of the amount you have, is not going to save you from misplay. We already mitigate phyiscal damage like a boss and no amount of vers is gonna save you from too many miss kicks or interrupts
Haste is the only stat we actively look for cause more haste equates to more SB charges, more GCDs, more rage, more damage etc.
jagged pier
honestly the TLDR is if you think vers is going to make things better
its not
youll get more out of analyzing your play and finding out where things are going wrong
strong forum
i was just thinking about gearing my havoc DH
then i saw this
and im like
YEAP
NOT GONNA HAPPEN
jagged pier
yer not happening
plush tendon
make a shaman Nom
plush tendon
does CBA mean something different, cause all I can think of is Collective Bargaining Agreement or Christian Boys Academy
strong forum
Cant be asked/assed/arsed
plush tendon
must be a European thing
strong forum
its literally one of the most common acronyms in wow
sturdy sable
I though lol was
plush tendon
<- lives under rock
sturdy sable
Or kek
jagged pier
how boomer are u?
sweet summit
cba
jagged pier
cinder nova
cba is definitely not a euro thing kek
tame jasper
NOT GONNA HAPPEN
Bye those memory of forgotten fate book (or whats its called) ^^
cinder nova
dudes at my boxing gym say it all the time
cinder nova
and I'm in the US West
strong forum
Bye those memory of forgotten fate book (or whats its called) ^^
yeah because i totally have 4 permanent active anima streams and 35++ offerings
on a fresh 60
plush tendon
how boomer are u?
well I just turned 25... so I'm pretty much a old man at this point huh
strong forum
same
sweet summit
plush tendon
Ill go back to my corner and play bridge with my senior citizens club
blazing condor
had a meetup with my guildies this weekend i was the youngest there
boomer game
plush tendon
Last time my guild had a meet up I made our raid leader drink too much and throw up on a wall
sweet summit
strong forum
i had a friend that exclusively played from an internet cafe
that was a wild fucking concept to me
but was fun times every now and again when they had all nighters while i visited
plush tendon
its not common in US, but most of us had to fly to Texas for meet up
but ya know, still gotta raid
strong forum
pretty sure its not common in any developed country
but that could also just be my imagination
and me being an antisocial fuck
plush tendon
I thought they were common in like South Korea
strong forum
i guess yeah
different cultures
hugely popular in asia i think
to me its bewildering playing anywhere but at a friends place or at home
plush tendon
Was still fun; I also sat next to a kid while there, and I swear I saw the face and mannerisms of a Iron League player
strong forum
one of my best buddies was and iron league player
back then it didnt exist, but still
he isnt good at anything that involves any kind of reaction timing, but still had fun
zenith vigil
NOT GONNA HAPPEN
LFR is mad quick tho?
plush tendon
he isnt good at anything that involves any kind of reaction timing, but still ha...
naw, this guy was just mad all the time yelling at his friends in disc
strong forum
LFR is mad quick tho?
yeah right, as if people do LFR CN
blazing condor
also had a lot of internet caféers
plush tendon
playing a custom game for 2 hours 3v4
blazing condor
but was in a greek guild
rather common there
well english guild with a lot of greek players*
strong forum
playing a custom game for 2 hours 3v4
plush tendon
do we consider Greece part of the developed world?
strong forum
no clue
mental scarab
Nein
plush tendon
The Germans must know
zenith vigil
yeah right, as if people do LFR CN
they do, i got my shit in 20min
strong forum
i refrain from answering
zenith vigil
including queue time
strong forum
strong forum
no, i just dont wanna pump 40k gold in a character that will unlikely see the dawn of day
or however much the 200ilvl gear costs
and id also have to make a new uI 
i only setup veng but not havoc WA
plush tendon
This is why you raid, and during break turn on the gambling 😛
strong forum
yeah thats how i lost 350k
plush tendon
made some solid bets this tier; paid for my rank 6 legos
strong forum
we sometimes gambled during prog pulls
plush tendon
I like to thank my Co-tank for his generous donation in the form of my rank 6 neck
strong forum
cuz gambling is much more fun than raiding
modern brook
yeah thats how i lost 350k
Statistically you're due for some huge gains
sweet summit
modern brook
I think I'm just going to make <Momoland> and throw all my characters into it like I should a million years ago
rancid ember
My guilds off tank just said he is unsubbing after we got Aotc last night. You in US Bull? 😄
rancid ember
Wuhhhh? why not. Fun to atleast get AoTC Imo.
modern brook
Just been playing rogue/arms lately
It's not every patch arms is playable you know
And most guilds don't need tnaks
rancid ember
We lack Melee for our Enh shaman too 😉 hahaha
modern brook
So I've been focusing on my dps
rancid ember
Our Melee Enh group last night for Slyv was Prot Pally, VDH, Enh Shaman, Ret Pally & Frost DK 🤮
modern brook
Lmao
sweet summit
sad meat gang
modern brook
Let me give you wft value
pale gust
there is no amount of vers u need for any content, if u think u need x amount yo...
Thanks for the explanation, i was not trying to convince you (or others) otherwise, it's just a popular opinion among the ppl i play with
zenith vigil
those people are pretending it's still 8.3 xd
jagged pier
even then it was a meme
lavish oracle
It did feel nice in 8.3
Just like 30% extra DR for a class that was already invincible, haha
distant crystal
didn't feel as nice as a fat Twilight Dev deleting the pack!
lavish oracle
But the really swingy nature of it was annoying to me
distant crystal
and full crit/haste gearing
lavish oracle
And just like having it randomly go off and pull a pack through a wall, etc
distant crystal
I wasn't pushing nosebleed keys on that toon tho
but boy did I blast in the weekly 15s
plush tendon
TD kept trolling me, so I just went for IF and stat amps
rancid ember
TD Nightmares in Tol Dagor
You be having a smooth run.. Then all of a sudden 15 mobs come charging your group from behind
rancid ember
Don't think I ever had any issues there 🤔
dusky canopy
NOT GONNA HAPPEN
Bruh just do stone legion lfr...
lavish oracle
Sometimes it'd pull stuff through the ceiling there when you're in the basement there, yeah
dusky canopy
I truly miss TD it wasn't balanced at all sure, but man.. it was fun!
30tank heroic full clears with td3+
Those where the days boys
cold zealot
just seismic things^^ my first try at it
blazing condor
finite vine
does strength give any defensive value?
prisma bear
yes it becomes armor
distant crystal
armor and block i think right?
prisma bear
and attack power for IP
distant crystal
or is that old memes
jagged pier
it does not give block
prisma bear
i dont think block anymore but maybe
finite vine
does this mean that unholy is better for defence than blood?
prisma bear
no way
finite vine
unholy is completely worse than blood for prot?
jagged pier
yes
finite vine
okay, then I just craft blood
the difference for dps is very small if I am dps
but for tanking its huge
that 1.5% increase as arms not worth it if I am making my tanking way worse
shell fox
just seismic things^^ my first try at it
trying to
but i need at least 30% haste so i can change talents
strong forum
strong forum
Why
shell fox
23% haste only
strong forum
So?
strong forum
Like, you don't play ITF because of "lack of haste"
You play it in raid cuz it's more dps
And you play ravager in m+ cuz it's more rage and more dps
That's it
You don't aim for X% of X stat
shell fox
lol
strong forum
If anybody tells you, you need 30% haste without ITF before you can play X then he's just wrong
strong forum
Yes you can use ravager with any amount of haste
BTW you should also play Best served cold instead of Booming voice for m+
When playing reprisal
And you should switch your conduit from brutal vitality to unnerving focus
shell fox
my game is in portuguese
strong forum
Booming voice + itf is generally only played in raid because its just more damage on Single target
Well bruh I can't figure out what shits called for you, last stand conduit with the rage gen increase instead of the ignore pain with leech conduit
shell fox
ill check it out
modern brook
My pictures are also in portugese 
strong forum
You can obv interchange the charge talent with the stun, and the thunderclap range talent with the leap talent
shell fox
i mean for me
strong forum
I guess
shell fox
no more aggro problems
strong forum
Aggro problems should never exist yes
shell fox
you checked me on rio?
strong forum
Ya
shell fox
can i see yours?
shell fox
np you seem have the knowledge
strong forum
That's why my name is yellow :^)
modern brook
strong forum
Can look me up anywhere my Name is my Discord name
inland raft
Actually plying wow instead of just discussing it on discord 
shell fox
strong forum
I did 26s in bfa! || post-s4 || does that count?
inland raft
Im a +15 andy now as well and often sont even do that
Havnt pushed since my friends quit
strong forum
Pushing is too tryhard for me, get frustrated too easily
shell fox
i did some 22 back in 8.3
zenith vigil
damn yeah
strong forum
Weekly 15-18s are chill
zenith vigil
nomeratur has special knowledge
shell fox
but as fury and alliance
inland raft
Tup
strong forum
Can just fuck around
zenith vigil
that is definitely not on icy veins and wowhead
zenith vigil
inland raft
Not happening if you timing push keys
And wr all know shaming guildies in weekly keys is more fun
strong forum
This
inland raft
Cuz none of us actually play anymore
shell fox
i cant on mk
shell fox
phone PIC INCOMING
shell fox
inland raft
Or snipping tool
strong forum
shell fox
but ure not using last standing conduit
strong forum
Bruh
patent osprey
stop teaching people to go auto phial
jagged pier
its fine tbh
strong forum
Auto phial is literally fine in 99%of situations
jagged pier
inland raft
I go rifht side only cuz i also arms and ctr is there
jagged pier
Help me get a weekly on my 195 havoc
i have to do a HoA 16 for a friend tomorrow so im gunna dip on the dh key
shell fox
alright my last question now
shell fox
@patent osprey this
shell fox
or this?
strong forum
2nd one if you don't want auotphial
inland raft
Nom wont lead you astray
strong forum
First one if you want double potency
And if you're prot only, if you play arms on the side then you'd need to switch it up a bit
But you can absolutely play arms and prot on mikan without needing to switch conduits
inland raft
Ya if i was at my pc id show my picture where only thinng i do between arms and prot is swap top from right to left
If doing a high key as arms id change my potency to ashen but i dont usually do high keys anymore
And its set up for arms raid m+ and prot all at once
jagged pier
mines for prot dungeon and raid and arms dungeon
modern brook
2nd one if you don't want auotphial
He* Asked plka nom 😏
shell fox
both!
strong forum
jagged pier
patent osprey
Auto Phial is a bait and defeats the purpose of having phial ^.^ makes it so u basically are just health potting for you 😛 You can play it if you want and its fine, but its definitely defeating half the purpose of being kyrian 🙂
blazing condor
based
strong forum
Yeah but 9/10 times you don't use phial anyway
blazing condor
this is a strict no-auto phial household
strong forum
And in dungeons where you do want phial for specific dungeons, you just don't run autophial
strong forum
Well we gave you the prot options
strong forum
This is if you wanna multispec as arms and prot in m+
jagged pier
patent osprey
id swap condensed anima sphere with fuel by violence in your tree @strong forum CAS is better than fueled even for DPS
strong forum
Yes those 2 are interchangeable
I don't know how strong cas is for arms
In aoe I figured deep wounds would be better but idk
shell fox
im afraid to lose thunderclap conduit
short kiln
if I wanted to run that in raid as arms, I could just swap PV for MC and be GTG right?
shell fox
im proud to be prot warrior
shell fox
team #prot
strong forum
But you'd want mc aap and ctr as arms in raid iirc
Ah nvm you only get 2
So MC + whatever Sims highest for you on kleia
Basically this, with AAP being interchangable with AJ or CTR, whatever Sims better
short kiln
it's generally CTR I think
inland raft
Always sim self but pretty sure ctr always wins its a pretty substantial throughput gain, but i dont run kleia in raid aince mika sims higher for me and is more consistent
sick sentinel
Do we execute as prot warriors and also do we ever use ww
strong forum
Always sim self but pretty sure ctr always wins its a pretty substantial through...
How does mikan sim higher for you, what
How is on average 6-7%more crit less dmg than 4sec off of spear and weak ass bron proc
inland raft
High base crit
strong forum
Yeah so do I, but there must a wrong calc there, no way is triple potency + bron better than kleia and her immense amount of crit
inland raft
Its starting to ge fairly common for people
strong forum
I think bron oversims, lowkey
inland raft
Idk injust follow the god of sims and i know critcake, danwar etc all preach him as well
strong forum
Dan uses kleia in raid on pure ST fights, fairly certain on that
How much dps does bron do on your sim
inland raft
His last stream he said he wanted to give ger another try but thought mika was better still
Ill have to check tonight when at pc again but i know it accurately calls bron shit
strong forum
I'm not turning on my PC just to check this, but I refuse to believe that bron Sims correctly for us, last time I simmed on renown 43 game even said that mikan simmed was more dmg than kleia without the 3rd potency or the cornerstone
Proccing bron and bron doing accurate dmg are 2 different things
The proc itself I don't doubt is correct amounts, but brons scaling is a massive mess
inland raft
I know even on really easy static fights like nine or tarragrue my uptime on valiant is lower then sims too
inland raft
Bron cena is a bro
jagged pier
bron is life
strong forum
I love bron, his scaling is just bullshit
Doing 300 dps for monks
But only 60-80 for warri
@blizz pls fix bron thx
Kinda unfair ykno
Just slightly
modern brook
Monks more like punks
lime urchin
what are yall thoughts on this, m+ environments that is (screenshot from wowhead, m+ tab)
strong forum
Outdated
lime urchin
okido
primal cape
why are you not playing with mikanikos haste buff ?
jagged pier
i was in raid
unique shale
yo does slys hit hard in general or its a skill issue
Those bleed and magic dots raping my ass off
ocean yoke
she slap
shell fox
BSC is better in m+
whats bsc
livid totem
Just making sure : do you even use Whirlwind as a prot war ? Or even Revenge outside procs ? I feel like I don't have enough spells to hit mobs with.
lofty widget
revenge is our offensive rage dump, you dont ever use WW
shell fox
Just making sure : do you even use Whirlwind as a prot war ? Or even Revenge out...
whirl is a waste of rage
livid totem
Thought so, but then, what you do when you have really excess rage ? dump into ignore pain ?
shell fox
more revenge
if ur rage on top for too long and u have everything on use
revenge revenge
blazing condor
Rage dumps into revenge most of the times
If you need the extra mitigation you put it into IP
shell fox
^
median tulip
What I will usually do is use Ignore Pain once, and thereafter use Revenge if my Rage is over 60.
livid totem
So, Basically, we use mostly 3 spells that are Shield Slam, Revenge, and Thunder clap ? (And execute after)
median tulip
There's not a lot of point continually pumping Ignore Pain if you still have it up
median tulip
So, Basically, we use mostly 3 spells that are Shield Slam, Revenge, and Thunder...
and Shield Block, ofc
median tulip
You don't really need to think about abilities in terms of "most used", but in terms of what they are for. Broadly, our abilities fall into 3 categories; Rage Builders, Defensives, and Rage Dumps. You only need to go for the 3rd category if you are in danger of capping on Rage.
livid totem
I'm curently only 190 ilvl with prot war, just wanted to know if there was anything I could dump rage on instead of IP everytime
Like... The mobs aren't hitting me hard enough that I don't know what to do and spamming revenge feel numb
median tulip
I'm curently only 190 ilvl with prot war, just wanted to know if there was anyth...
Get a Weakaura to track your IP duration and remaining soak. Then you'll know if you need to use IP, or if you can Revenge
livid totem
I'm already using aWA
median tulip
What Covenant are you?
livid totem
Necrolord
median tulip
IDK how the Necrolord cov ability works, so I can't give any advice about that
shell fox
necro wont give him any of this
livid totem
The worst ? :x
livid totem
Truth be told, I couldn't give a f*ck about convenant, because it's not that much gamebreaking, is it ?
zenith vigil
but you didn't even know what BSC was?
livid totem
exactly
median tulip
The worst ? :x
The general belief is that Kyrian and Night Fae are the preeminent Warrior tanking Covenants
median tulip
Truth be told, I couldn't give a f*ck about convenant, because it's not that muc...
It's not gamebreaking, but in my experience I rely heavily on the Spear of Bastion for snap aggro and initial Rage generation, and one of my friends who is Night Fae says similar things about AA
mighty valley
i'm venthyr, it's definitely the worst, it's still fine
livid totem
I just chose necro, because I was too lazy to change with another char and see what it's up about, so I chose necro for this war since I read in Wowhead, that necro was "decent"
median tulip
Mostly the snap aggro is a thing because Thunderclap hits like a wet noodle in Shadowlands
livid totem
Didn't want to go venthyr because I think it sux balls for arms
shell fox
thats what the best prot warrior atm says about necrolord
zenith vigil
dunno who that guy is
shell fox
plka
zenith vigil
but best prot warr is plka
shell fox
lol
zenith vigil
what change is that referring to
median tulip
Anyway, I don't play Necro so I can't give you advice on how that works, was why I was asking in the first place
shell fox
but you didn't even know what BSC was?
my game is in portuguese, so i really dont know what bsc is.
livid totem
Just wanted to know if there was any use of WW or any other warrior spell
Because right now, I'm hitting thorsgats with only 3-4 spells at most
It seems dull
median tulip
Whirlwind only gets used if you have the appropriate Anima Powrs in Torghast
median tulip
And there's one makes it generate Rage
median tulip
and another that heals you for some of the damage done IIRC
livid totem
yeah
livid totem
how ?
I'm GCD capped
😄
I'm a 200 apm starcraft player mind you
300 in starcraft 1 if you want
median tulip
If you must, Execute
I've literally never played Starcraft, but I shall assume that's good
zenith vigil
average at best
livid totem
yeah avg maybe, but that's not spam
keep in mind 300 apm is 5 actions per second
in starcraft that's more than enough to play correctly ^^
Anyway point still stand, I can't push 300 apm against GCD :p
urban portal
livid totem
^^
latent pier
Yall know of a good weakaura to kinda announce to pugs SR is up and not to kick?
I mean I expect them to kick anyway half the time, but just to have it.
worn bear
isn't that just a macro thing?
median tulip
I mean you can just macro it, but making a weakaura that does a /say when you actually have the SR buff is trivial
twilit knoll
How much vers should I be looking to have to tank up to m+10-15
lilac bloom
how many stacks can i take on banshees bane i was the offtank had wailing arrows. I grabbed thr banes on the platform then use spell reflect and died
patent osprey
thats what the best prot warrior atm says about necrolord
oh man... now people see im lazy... thats an old command from when necro changed in 9.0.5 It still applies but, the wording isn't as accurate for the times
lilac bloom
im not sure how many stacks can i handle
mighty valley
How much vers should I be looking to have to tank up to m+10-15
any, we don’t really have stat breakpoints, just get the best ilvl you can generally
twilit knoll
any, we don’t really have stat breakpoints, just get the best ilvl you can gener...
Thanks, I mostly equiped ilvl and haste but vers is my lowest stat at 11% and someone told me it should be at least 20%
twilit knoll
I figured so but I just wanted to check what people that actually play the spec thought
mellow bridge
Call them a big ol' dumbo and to put some respect on our Lord and saviour ilvl > all
For what it's worth, I've been doing 21s with around 12% vers
And my vers isn't what's limiting me at all
My own skill is kek
twilit knoll
I just switched to prot from fury and have a lot of haste gear, was doing a m+10 and healer said I was taking to much dmg for him to keep me alive, told me 11% vers was too low lol
mighty valley
What’s your ilvl
mighty valley
Should be fine for a 10 unless you like, forgot to press shield block
or no one was kicking bad spells
or the healer is just not good
twilit knoll
Well I think I was the only one interrupting shit as well
twilit knoll
DoS
mighty valley
Lmao yeah
twilit knoll
Ah well guess that's how pug groups go sometimes
mellow bridge
Dos is all about kicks and you being proactive with your defensives
A lot of non kickable stuff in there that kicks in your teeth
Like bonestrikes from the soldiers
Or having a lot of stacks from the skeleton raptors and not having a dispel for it in the group
bright flax
The speaker cast that buffs others, in a week with raging must be fun if not kicked
mellow bridge
Need to press your buttons and mitigate that
And yeah then there's raging this week
Lovely raging shadowcore casts lmao
twilit knoll
I generally don't hold my defensive cd's unless I know I need one coming up
mighty valley
You really wanna get through the first pack without SW so you definitely have it for the deathspeaker pack
twilit knoll
Currently using the SW leggo, might craft reprisal next
mellow bridge
You def should for m+
twilit knoll
That much better eh?
ocean yoke
there is a god and his name is reprisal
twilit knoll
Do you have to use intervene to make it effective?
twilit knoll
I find intervene tricky sometimes depending on the melee positioning
lilac bloom
thx at least 10 stacks is the max so i should use shield block everytime i step on those bane
i didnt know that i just ran into them and had spell reflect up but thats the the wailing arrows when they hit me
so i should use shield block to soak the bane?
sacred timber
Me: Guys we need to fucking interrupt
Them: we are interrupting
The stats:
Also, when you almost do as much dmg as the dps....
zenith vigil
I find intervene tricky sometimes depending on the melee positioning
? you can interrupt melee at like any range
sick sentinel
Me: Guys we need to fucking interrupt
Them: we are interrupting
The stats:
They wouldn't understand if they've never played tank
Literally saving your tank from taking unnecessary dmg
sacred timber
1 interrupt
worst part is, my guildy is the one with the one interrupt and he is chewing me out for not knowing how to tank, when he has 7 keys timed on fucking havoc and they are +2s and all his io comes from failed 15s that I dragged his ass thru on fury.
mean while I timed my first +17 on day one of s2, and on top of that I was KSM day 10 of patch.
meanwhile he can't get anything higher that 1400, which... oh by the way did I mention that I am fucking 1500 on prot?
My alt spec is literally higher than his main spec....
brave jetty
on H Sylv, is Banshee's Fury always at the same time relative to wailing arrow?
latent pier
good luck on your vaults tomorrow, friends
is there even like, a big vault drop that prot really wants you can't get from raid, besides like a 252 phial?
maiden ravine
My favorite key this week was on my hunter. I had more interrupts than either shaman
dusky canopy
good luck on your vaults tomorrow, friends
Yes, you want a 252 shield if you don't have one shield is big stonks
maiden ravine
I need to make reprisal, still using stompers haha
maiden ravine
actually did a key, didn't feel that bad
livid dagger
Is fuel the violence bad for prot?
unique shale
anybody here can give me some tips on slys i got logs as well
zenith vigil
slys?
unique shale
*sylvanas
wide pilot
love when 2400io ppl think they can try and flame you for being bad when they dont interupt in DoS lol smh
unique shale
pugging is hell mate and this season is too easy to get rio
wide pilot
is this week just particularly hard for prot? seems like bears get to just stand still on raging mobs
zenith vigil
no, just learn2kite
wide pilot
seems like the is the catch all phrase but u cant kite shadow bolts
jagged pier
U can u just los or out range
maiden ravine
But warriors have more answers to spells than most
It's also raging week, good week to have friends who play druids, hunters and rogues
strong forum
Yea failed runs should not give score 🙄
Yeah so people are even more likely to leave keys!!
Great idea
strong forum
Depletes only give score if you barely miss the timer
mental scarab
Have ppl over 2200 that dont use cc or interupts 🤥
strong forum
As if they didn't do that before
There were 4k+ io people in bfa that won't cc or kick until told to
mental scarab
Well its more now
strong forum
Literally 0
sweet summit
E peen
jagged pier
Just means they are like 10% more likely not to be shit