Sure, but having a rough sense of what's a fair and what's a regrettable outcome when you're new to it isn't an unreasonable thing
#protection
sour nova
modern brook
So blocking 3% more melee means jack shit
My point is just thay
You don't want to get bogged in the details here
cinder roost
@granite mortar I can give you my tip for the 3 orbs spawn if you need some (for you or co-tank depending on who's in charge of it)
modern brook
Like effective uptime is important yes
sour nova
Oh sure, and I'm not fretting. I just appreciate goals by the same token.
modern brook
Oh sure, and I'm not fretting. I just appreciate goals by the same token.
Yah ur goal should be completing content
Which generally means pushing as much damage as you can
Metrics for "correct tanking" are generally good for when you're struggling and confused why you can't live through shit
But yeah
To answer you directly
With reprisal low to mid 90s is expected
sour nova
You're seeming a touch condescending atm. I saw a quick line about block percentage and happened to have looked through my logs from tonight a bit ago and just wanted some outside info on it.
Thank you for answering the question as asked.
sour nova
Haha sure, fair enough and all good. I came from disc priest before this, so I'm used to soft metrics of that sort, everyone live, used mana well, etc. Just wasn't sure on that specific. And obviously it would vary a lot on fight, so compare, etc.
But apologies if I was a bit harsh in response; it's been a long week. You're quite right that it's always worth focusing on the important binary goal first lol
inland raft
Healing is easier to quantify then tanking, tanking is very much a largely feelscraft role
balmy coral
I have a 233 Old Warriors Soul, 233 Viscera of Coalesced Hatred, 239 anima field emitter, 230 alchemy trinket, 220 SLG Trinket, which 2 for M+ and which 2 for raids
fringe marten
The alchemy and SLG trinket are almost the same thing, the uptime of the str buff divided vs 100% uptime makes it basically the same as the SLG 220
You want OWS all the time (between the choices you have) and then probably field emitter in raids, and alchemy ? in M+ or raid.
Also; if anyone wants to give me a hand I'm trying to make a 'normal' SoD skip run to try and get someone to trade me shoulders, or loot them myself~
cinder nova
20 fort is ouchie
cinder nova
Pretty sure I reflected a +19 HOA raging Wicked Bolt for ~70K
The bolt buff feels so unnecessary
jagged pier
did 30% of a death speakers hp yesterday in one reflect
rough egret
dida Mists 16 yesterday, mobs kinda slaps when enraged, i guess I should kite more
mental scarab
Nha stun so you can dps🤥
rough egret
I was doing good in mater of dps i think 15-20k burst every pack
OWS with hammer of genesys felt great 😄
blazing condor
Genesus 😳
median tulip
That pair of boughbreakers just before the first boss is vicious on Fort. Everything else is relatively straightforward.
blazing condor
Dps dont seem to know they enrage on 30% so instead of making sure they get soothed asap they just let it cast 4 times
But this mostly applies to the masks in Dos
jagged pier
i had 3 groups disband to DoS masks because ppl didnt sooth fast enough
so ppl get one shot by rage
past nebula
Do you take ravager in keys now ir the thunderclap talent?
past nebula
Yeah sorry haven’t played prot really since s4 of bfa 😅
strong forum
Ravager is huge rage on a short CD and good aoe dps
With a massive 40 throw range to engage packs
jagged pier
Nome when skyhold weekly key?
past nebula
Cool will try it tonight, did get slapped in the 15 top i did because of raging
jagged pier
POG
near sundial
sorry if this is too off topic but has anyone got any clips from the new painsmith intermission (no full wall)
zenith vigil
I know this is crazy but the only difference is that there's a gap
Actually idk, good question heh
now I'm second guessing my reading of the patch notes
near sundial
oh i know there is but the combo goes Far left Far right full wall - just trying to plan movement stuff for myself and guild
not sure if they shifted the previous 2 about etc
woven carbon
hi kyrian bros, what soulbind are you using, pelagos of mikanikos?
bright flax
Pelagos capstone might be cool but turning around for it isnt
jagged pier
well the capstones get upgraded with reknown
so miks just gunna get more busted
and bron gets buffed
fringe marten
Last week on tyrannical, the 4 pull of mages in HoA before second shard of halkias was fully terrifying. I guess..just can't do that this week as prot war?
blazing condor
Not an issue with us specifically
You just need people that can interrupt and cc properly
Thats always gonna be the thing in hoa
fringe marten
It's the buff to that bolt...like..it was an 18? tyran HOA..that's not a super tough key, and those mobs were just lasering my kneecaps off~
blazing condor
But 4 pull mages seems a bit messy as well
Its nothing wrong per se
Just requires good coordination
fringe marten
Yeah; but ...just not doing that pull in a pug, straight up..just the 2 at top of stairs then pulling up the Lt.
fringe marten
Was looking at pins for what shards to use in M+..is shard of Jas (+1.X% healing recieved, plus tiny max HP) really better than shard of zed? (proc life drain aura around yourself..for small amount) since it would be both AoE damage, and small healing as well?
nova surge
Is there a macro to auto target afflix "Explosive" and attack it? In forrums i read that blizzrd have dissable the macro for this, do they?
blazing condor
iirc you cant do that
But dunno if thats been reverted
Probably not
I just have different colored nameplates for them and manually target but thats me
fringe marten
Tankdozer if you use an addon like plater, something where it changes the color of nameplates if you have threat/other tank has threat/non tank has threat... when explosive pop they'll have the 'mob has no aggro/aggro on non tank' color so they stand out easily; and they VERY often are the first target that tab will pick up if you just point camera at it and hit tab. Remember that heroic throw will 1 tap them, and your group does need to be helping you kill them if you are doing normal pulls that 'pushes' dungeons quickly enough to time them.
Another huge tip is, you can LOS the explosion. We did a DoS with no fae player, no lust..and all 5 melee (paladin healer even) so like..awful group comp. Still did fairly large pull to the 'urn' in ardenweald, we would kill bombs and I'd LOS/Pull the pack around the big square pillar where urn is..so there's ways to deal with 'large' pulls where you don't even kill all the bombs if the geometry allows it.
Very short answer: Tabbing or literally clicking them is the easiest way to pick them up; blizzard went out of their way to make them difficult to target with macros/etc in Legion when M+/Explosive was debuted. (also the reason they're not able to be passively aoe'd)
fringe marten
don't even speak of that...makes my heart sad.
zealous spade
What are your thoughts about Reactive Defense Matrix? Is it any good, or just to luldps in lower keys, non progress raids?
jagged pier
its great for everythng
zealous spade
So is it worth to change from Kaelthas trinket + The Nine trinket to Kaelthas + Matrix?
jagged pier
u shouldnt be running kael trinket its dogshit
zealous spade
the revive trinket is not meta anymore in higher keys?
fringe marten
It's still very good yes; if you're doing content challenging enough where you feel you'll be killed even if you're just playing properly and just get wombo'd outta' nowhere. That can be any level of key that you feel is that tough for you. But if your team is solid and you're playing well..it doesn't happen until quite nasty key levels..20+
Other than that, the matrix is a really solid damage and surviability gain; as it fully reflects the amount of damage listed on trinket; INCLUDING magic.
zealous spade
no, just 20-21 ones, it gives a little bit of a confidence boost, but I will try the matrix then, if it drops. Also, this week it might have better value than others
fringe marten
So you negate that amount of damage, and send it back at attacker...so just all around good.
zealous spade
lol that also negates not just gives it back, jesus im dumb, then I understand why is it good
okay, cheers
fringe marten
You can get a budget version of it from HM tazavesh in the form of the "codex of the first technique" and it has more value in heroic and mythic raiding than it does in M+, in keys the codex trinket is 'ok' but handily beaten by matrix.
zealous spade
Alright, so in the end the best combo right now is the nine trinket + matrix? Scale is so 2020?
fringe marten
And codex of first technique out performs defensive matrix in raid environment too (but it has to be a raid environment where you TAKE a solid amount of damage, so like..normal raid, and easy heroic fights you won't see it's value)
jagged pier
if u want dps trinkets for raid u run phial and sack
to be honest they are trinkets for the raid
havent found a use for a defensive trinket yet
fringe marten
Scale is still great but again; situations dictate it's power...the 'Annhylde's aegis" shines in situations where you intake high QUANTITY of small/er hits during it's duration. The Scale still sees use in some high keys where the tanks are tanking smaller nastier packs..but aegis will still often outperform it there too.
bright flax
Phial, sack, ows, might exist something else that also is really good offensively
Defensively you got aegis, scale both for same use cases, matrix fits the defensive list. Might have something more but those should be the shiny ones
fringe marten
Yeah because of simply how warrior works; we're very strong defensively against most raid bosses; because the 'mechanic' we usually deal with is a dot healed by someone else~ On mythic painsmith prog I'm using Fatescribe and or shard of alar (testing where I can get them to work) and ticking sack..just for the damage.
But that doesn't mean you 'have' those items. Hence why you can try stuff like tazavesh if you want/etc.
The codex of the first technique has the potential to outdamage all the other trinkets, and in many of our first kills clearing heroic..it did for me.
But it's not consistent like ticking sack/phial/etc. Sometimes it's bleh..somteimes it would be insane; and when it's insane..it's both damage AND damage prevention. Which is why it's still honestly quite solid.
jagged pier
Phial, sack, ows, might exist something else that also is really good offensivel...
scale for 3 targets or less
aegis for 3+ targets
matrix covers all
fringe marten
Yeah if I had the matrix I'd likely bank my codex of first technique; it would just replace it as my "full turtle' trinket along with a cheat death trink.
mystic warren
Depends, even 3 and under aegis can be insane if there are heavy dots involved
jagged pier
yer like slyv its inasne
aegis is just insane for monk as well as it absorbs stagger
jagged pier
yes
bright flax
Afe is also nice if you get to stand still. It procs a lot
fringe marten
Literally the only trinkets left to put in my toolbag that I simply can't touch are a season 2 Scale, then Defense Matrix and Salvaged Fusion Amplifier.
I've looted multiple IQD's, phials, a meathook..every other raid trinket, hell now I have a mythic Ocular gland? But Scale/ and guardian trinks will ABSOLUTELY not drop for me.
zealous spade
Does Aegis also prevents frontal magic dmg or just physical?
fringe marten
but now with ? 3 or 4? mythic 9, and every week of normal/heroic 9..I can't get a heroic+ version of it.
mystic warren
I got heroic matrix and mythic aegis, but I just can't get a full plate blood set
fringe marten
It's all 'hits' period.
zealous spade
neat
fringe marten
Same with Codex of first technique, Defense matrix..they 'reflect' any type of damage taken which is why they're so good.
mystic warren
Or if blizz is even advanced enough to track that
fringe marten
I doubt the aegis has a directional soak to it, I think that's just a nifty graphic~
jagged pier
i think if its melee or spells it does
fringe marten
welp let's just science this right now..i'm in korthia
Does not look like it; did it a few times with a couple of the elite little..tarragrue lookin' guys
let them just wail on my back with aegis active, then also the front..did it twice each test. Aegis registered no healing when they were striking my back
I wonder what would happen jakey if you 'backed' into those sylvanas puddles?
zealous spade
Just one more question: does the matrix put a buff on you, like spell reflect which can be consumed by any hit or it only procs on hits? If its puts a buff a on you, does entering combat able to proc it?
fringe marten
yup me too; ticking sack overperforms I think..especially the more and more haste you get.
However when we get to myth sylvanas...maybe I'll have a heroic aegis by then? wishful thinking and I might use it to soak puddles LOL
Or run double shield wall ring? Just to be edgy
cyan onyx
So like how bad is venthyr for prot? Has anyone tried it out for a while? I just went prot for my guild and im hesitant to reroll covenants again
errant leaf
Venthyr for raid is fine i guess
cyan onyx
Alrighty, so usable but not the best and I'll struggle with M+ basically?
(More so than NF/Kyrian)
jagged pier
venthyr shouldnt be holding u back in m+
errant leaf
It will be garbagio in m+ for sure
spring sierra
hey guys
o/
so, my raid lead asked me to step in and tank SoD HC yesterday since our other tank decided to not show up. I went to wowhead, checked the guide there and briefly mixed together my tank gear, checked conduits and talents and went in. After the raid was over, i noticed that while i was doing okay on the surviving part, i only had green logs.
I think the last time i tanked in a raid was in draenor or something, so its been a while.
Any ideas or tips on how to improve myself, should i be conscripted into doing it again?
smoky wave
🤷♂️ logs be dps, not what you're there for. If you survived you did what you needed to do well enough. Doing better at dps is just a nice bonus.
blazing condor
Luckily SoD is literally just taunt-swap
And if you know the bosses’ abilities
Its gucci
smoky wave
Aye, check you're not hitting IP too often and then hit revenge more. If you're using reprisal there's some gains to be had from maxing charge usage
devout heron
best anima powers?
zenith vigil
spring sierra
yeah, i just fucked up sylvannas
other than that, sod didnt seem very difficult as tank... i am much more pressured when playing fury, imho
zenith vigil
raid tanking is a snooze fest
smoky wave
Tanking raids is very different. Making a mistake can be the difference between wiping and succeeding, but past that it's very binary and largely what you do isn't that impactful.
mental scarab
Raid tanking is so boring 
only pain smith is fun when you can jump and kill dps players
jovial steeple
Mekanikos with booming voice is solid now in keys?
deft relic
how are some prot warriors doing over 6k dps in raids.. O_O thats nuts.. like for guardian of the first one.. some dude did 6.9k dps
deft relic
haha it wasnt on taragrue
smoky wave
Guessing a decent weapon and full dom sockets would help, past that no idea
deft relic
look at this insanity XD
zenith vigil
reminds me of corruption
"hey why are these people doing incredible?"
"pure luck"
sweet summit
he's playing really well
rank 4 blood set
full damage lego/trinkets
deft relic
yeah.. is rank 4 that far from rank 3?
sweet summit
30 cinders to go from 3 to 4 iirc
deft relic
I mean in dmg. I tried running a rank 3 blood set and literally just dumped all the rage I can to dmg without every using ignore pain. it was too hard to even reach 5k.. my best was like 4.7k 😦
limpid anchor
Idk it’s also highly depended on your group
deft relic
I suppose you gotta have a pretty short kill time too yeah
jagged pier
i dunno i only have rank 3 blood set and was getting tops 10s and 20s on wednesday
press revenj more
limpid anchor
Revenge instead of ip!
deft relic
yeah, I spammed it a ton hahaha
jagged pier
probably arent generating enough rage
deft relic
how else do you? my haste is around 900 already
jagged pier
ooo im rank 9 overall in HC 👀
jagged pier
how else do you? my haste is around 900 already
i can look at your logs and see
unique shale
make sure you have sinful enchantment on your weapon and phial @deft relic
deft relic
Is sinful a huge diff vs celestial?
unique shale
For ST yes
then learn how to snipe dps :b
use cds on adds with boss and spamm revenge then profit
sick sentinel
yo guys, rerolled warrior yesterday, want to gear up as quick as possible for raid 8/10m´, but arms, so it s nf/kyrian and prot for gearing in m+. For all you guys, what feels better in m+, nf or kyrian? 19/20 range without much gear...any insights which you cant read in guides?
jagged pier
its literally your preference
unique shale
sick sentinel
so no convenant does significantly more dam or survability?
more convenient for m+`trash packs
unique shale
They are all equal
sick sentinel
aye ty
unique shale
you can go venthyr and run tank soulbind and use dps lego
unique shale
yes reprisal for everything
zenith vigil
yes, unironically
cyan onyx
Question about running venthyr, do I still want to prioritize shield block over condemn or am I just spamming condemn through execute phases?
elder coral
I have a tough time keeping threat in m+ does that get better with ilvl or is that a pretty standard warrior tank problem to have?
jagged pier
even on ST
jagged pier
I have a tough time keeping threat in m+ does that get better with ilvl or is th...
it get better with more experience gear really shouldnt be an issue at all
your likely not pressing revenge enough
limpid anchor
Ignore defense, go offensive!
craggy pilot
what do i spend Valor on after upgrading 1h+shield?
elder coral
It’s just aoe. I feel like I’m missing an ability or something lol. Thunderclap every 5 seconds just doesn’t feel like enough. Even when rotated in with the other two aoe spells
limpid anchor
You should easily get and hold the aggro with 1 tc and revenge, unless you have a high st burster in the group, but then you just taunt once
And don’t forget, revenge > ip!
I perma spam dps in m+, impossible to lose aggro
jagged pier
It’s just aoe. I feel like I’m missing an ability or something lol. Thunderclap ...
as u said u arent pressing revengj
limpid anchor
Unless your rage gen is so bad that you can’t keep sb up
craggy pilot
It’s just aoe. I feel like I’m missing an ability or something lol. Thunderclap ...
missing an ablity?
should be easy to hold aggro with Revenge+TC+Ravager+Covenant Ability
Spear and AA are insane for aggro
craggy pilot
lul
sweet summit
ravager into a lot of revenges is more than enough
craggy pilot
Spear and AA is just for emergency aggro anyway
why are you Venthyr tho? @elder coral
jagged pier
Spear and AA is just for emergency aggro anyway
its not
bright flax
Hes a true chad
plush tendon
naw broooo, spear and AA is for the pump
craggy pilot
ye for the pump
elder coral
I am a noob bear main so I’m used to having an aoe ability every gcd if I need to establish more threat
craggy pilot
but aggro wise
plush tendon
gotta pump that gas
craggy pilot
you only need to use it when emergency (if you have a hard time for aggro that is)
plush tendon
emergency aggro button is challenging shout
craggy pilot
I am a noob bear main so I’m used to having an aoe ability every gcd if I need t...
kekw used to the 1 button tank
elder coral
Yes warrior too many buttons
craggy pilot
Wdym emergency aggro lol
lets say you are low geared, and get out aggrod insanely hard
i used to use Spear for aggro early in S1 when i had a shit 1h
was my only worry about switching from Kyr to Venthyr back in S1, was having a hard time holding aggro without spear
craggy pilot
but it went fine after i got a decent 1h
limpid anchor
Ye but don’t you start with spear anyway
jagged pier
i havent had a problem all expansion
limpid anchor
Especially now you have spear up for every pull
plush tendon
Only times there are aggro issues are que in the NF Havoc DH on a pull bigger then 10
craggy pilot
Yes warrior too many buttons
why are you Venthyr tho? plz explain
i feel Warr currently is only Kyr/NF
bright flax
Only had aggro problems with kyr bdk when a fury warrior was present in S1
Something about fury warriors back then was just insane
plush tendon
why are you Venthyr tho? plz explain
Why arent you Venthyr 😛
chrome falcon
Having aggro issues if you play kyr or NF sounds insane to me unless your dps just full blast shit while you’re clearly still grouping it
elder coral
why are you Venthyr tho? plz explain
Night fae. I play arms mostly but been dabbling in prot
nocturne sage
Reprisal vs wall in raid; can someone simplify it for me? Just switched to raid tank instead of dps but I have both crafted
chrome falcon
Wall if you need lots of shield walls reprisal if you don’t
limpid anchor
Sylvanas Wall
bright flax
I can get the odd DH or Monk ripping aggro and die but honestly they should know better to give another gcd
chrome falcon
Wall is better defensively generally speaking
jagged pier
reprisal on everything in hc
elder coral
No flame plz but I didn’t realize revenge was an aoe ability lmao
craggy pilot
Why arent you Venthyr 😛
used to be 😉 but holy shit Condemn spam feels bad as Arms
plush tendon
Reprisal vs wall in raid; can someone simplify it for me? Just switched to raid ...
Reprisal is almost all situations but The Eye; you cant SB the death lasrer and will need The Wall to mitigate the hit
craggy pilot
Night fae. I play arms mostly but been dabbling in prot
wait, so are you NF or Venthyr?
plush tendon
jagged pier
honestly im starting to think the only fight were u run wall is slyv mthic
plush tendon
Id still recommend for the eye
limpid anchor
Do you solo soak guardian in mythic?
bright flax
EM in hc sylvannas lines up every platform, quite fun but feel totally useless out of that burst
plush tendon
wouldnt you want it for super death laser?
elder coral
I feel like the arms warrior lego is pretty good for prot. Just makes a huge dps boost every 1.5 min
plush tendon
....are you running signit
dusky canopy
Out of curiosity has anyone figured out how much damage taken you would remove from yourself by simply being Highmountain Tuaren. I understand it's pretty irrelevant but just curious.. wowhead says "reduces damage taken by 330" is that literally every hit taken?? So it could be like 100k of value at the end of a dungeon?
jagged pier
its not a dps boost
nocturne sage
Reprisal is almost all situations but The Eye; you cant SB the death lasrer and ...
Okay, correct me if I’m wrong but basically before a tank swap you just move away far enough so you can charge in right?
plush tendon
Okay, correct me if I’m wrong but basically before a tank swap you just move awa...
There are lots of opportunities to get charges during the fights, use intervene on unsuspecting melee
but yea thats a good way to get a good charge off
jagged pier
u can literally leap and charge back
plush tendon
or soul shape!
nocturne sage
Kyrian though haha
plush tendon
or break the bosses ankles on a step back charge
dusky canopy
I run reprisal on eye because I always end up tanking the valkyr until it dies...
craggy pilot
do Legendary even matter in Raid?
plush tendon
Kyrian though haha
My color blue > your color blue 😛
craggy pilot
cant you have 100% SB uptime since you only tank 50% of the time?
dusky canopy
No play without one
nocturne sage
Thanks for the info everyone, just trying to get a hang of this tanking thing and it seems more engaging
dusky canopy
craggy pilot
i tried normal raid, and never rly get to run out and Charge / Intervene as Prot 🤔
so Reprisal felt kinda wasted
craggy pilot
i did when the other guy was tanking
errant dagger
really cant decide if i should go monk or warrior fml
craggy pilot
but then the SB is wasted
plush tendon
you gotta be like a afflic lock snipping soulshards
dusky canopy
Leap out while boss is on you and charge back just like in m+
plush tendon
except you're a Prot Warrior snipping charges
craggy pilot
hmm, but the boss will move instant wont he?
dusky canopy
Nope
plush tendon
just gotta be quick
bright flax
nop you have a lot of chances even on bosses you want static like guardian, they have casts you can abuse
dusky canopy
^^
nocturne sage
Never really tanked much, only a few m+ in 9.0.0 so didn’t have reprisal only tlords and wall back then
plush tendon
Reprisal is the band aid fix to prot
bright flax
honestly, whatever lego you take will not be the main thing for success
its play and that comes with practice and over time
jagged pier
is Elysian Might in raid too troll?
it sims less than repisal
bright flax
is Elysian Might in raid too troll?
why would it?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/D6QwarHGxVp3hbAk
dusky canopy
bright flax
you have 0 defensive bonus with EM, never forget that
less dmg than what you can potentially get with reprisal
nocturne sage
Sorry for the dumb questions but is it normal to feel rage starved? I’m switching from fury so I’m used to always pressing a button
dusky canopy
Gets better over 20% haste
nocturne sage
26% haste though haha
dusky canopy
I mean I'm usually always out of rage because revenge
nocturne sage
Then I’m for sure pressing too many buttons
plush tendon
Then I’m for sure pressing too many buttons
maybe you are not pressing the right buttons enough
dusky canopy
Try to cast shield slam as much as possible
inland raft
Maintain shield block and cycle tour defensives when you anticipate heavy damage other then that just concentrate on pumping, make a goal of attempting to outdo a dps in overall, prob wont happen but aim for it
nocturne sage
Do I “bank” rage to save for sb or dump into revenge?
distant crystal
You sorta float, no need to completely dump it all usually
dusky canopy
If you play reprisal you pretty much never need to bank for sb
distant crystal
as long as you avoid capping you're good
nocturne sage
Okay, been using wall so maybe reprisal will help with that
bright flax
on EM for raid, it only really shines in sylvanas because of the burst dmg you get for P2 every plat
on KT it should line up with intermission adds but its a toin coss
on soulrender it seems like a good idea but you are forced to delay it and rarely take full value
On everything else is just average.
Overall you're simply better of with reprisal if you want damage
dusky canopy
I've tried wall plenty of times and I don't really care for it, reprisal game play is actually fun! Highly recommend
I hate to think about the fact that we lose reprisal in the future.. 
plush tendon
I hate to think about the fact that we lose reprisal in the future.. <:sadge:820...
im not
Reprisal is fun, but Its a terrible lego in design since nothing else really competes with it
nocturne sage
For raid talents, if I’m using reprisal should I go with bv or bsc?
plush tendon
Booming tends to do better in raid
blazing condor
If you can have consistant ad-cleave its worth to use bsc
But idk if any fights has that
Like SLG you could run BSC no prob
Maybe soulrender but i doubt it’s worth
dusky canopy
Inb4 reprisal becomes a last row talent against AM and HR
plush tendon
naw, make that last row Reprisal, HR, and Bolster and Anger Management baseline
plush tendon
Maybe soulrender but i doubt it’s worth
I feel like thats pad
modern brook
Pad matters on soul render
@strong forum didn't you yell me about always using BSc with reprisal?
Or am I misremembering my trauma?
jagged pier
<@192743144276623360> didn't you yell me about always using BSc with reprisal?
in dungeons yes
in raid no
bright flax
nome had a very valid point argue with me on it. you get rage overload in dungeons when you also take ravager
true olive
I did too
woeful trellis
craggy pilot
dont think theres much stuff you can modify in TOP, maybe just stealth skip the first 2 packs and go straight to boss, and take them in the end while waiting for last boss to spawn
other than that i dont think theres much different stuff you can do 🤔
maybe a skip in Carnage?
modern brook
P sure u just do pvp guy first to see if you have to reset the key
craggy pilot
wdym?
dry flicker
in top you always find the dps anima dudes and get them first. this week i think there is on in the first room of the xav boss wing. duck in get him then go back to the hook's boss to get the next dps anima
modern brook
in top you always find the dps anima dudes and get them first. this week i think...
This probably makes sense
craggy pilot
The shield bitch on the way to pvp guy is a dead key
ah lol
but cant you force it to be the other one?
limpid anchor
Why is she?
dry flicker
the dueling pvp mobs just have a ton of hp
modern brook
and the shield is dumb
modern brook
- raging
elder coral
Yo I’m cracked at prot tank now
modern brook
with an apparent 30s rerage time
elder coral
Ty jakey
mellow bridge
top without soothes this week kekw
jagged pier
any key this week
and ppl in pugs im finding just dont have the damage
im out of pushing for the week
bright flax
This is the week to play survival. Note on apply: has sooth, consistent dmg
chilly brook
lucid steppe
guys, whats our best race? i cant play the big model of highmountain. any other good options?
jagged pier
vulpera
lucid steppe
i have seen a lot playing orc/zanda troll ... but vulp is real good?
jagged pier
for prot yes
jagged pier
i mean its not for horde it is the best race in terms of raicals
zenith vigil
vulpera superiority
chilly brook
i mean its not for horde it is the best race in terms of raicals
Nah is a meme
sweet summit
craggy pilot
anything specific to be worried about this week in PF or DOS? 🙂
chilly brook
:Detective:
strong forum
Majic
chilly brook
Why detective no work
zenith vigil
anything specific to be worried about this week in PF or DOS? 🙂
first two pulls as always on fort
strong forum
Why detective no work
Phone posters being bullied
strong forum
dusky canopy
Vulpera vs highmountain Tauren... tough choice
modern brook
Is it
dry flicker
HM tauren is pretty good. a little extra vers and a charge that knocks enemies down.
dusky canopy
My only consideration for vulpera is the camp
strong forum
Hm is fuckall compared to vulpera
jagged pier
yer that doesnt equate noise for trouble
dusky canopy
Whats nose for trouble do?
strong forum
HM reduces dmg taken by nothing and gets you 1% vers
Nose for trouble is 300 free hps
300-400k less dmg taken per dungeon
Sometimes more
With more gear it gets more
modern brook
Vulpera is the only race on horde that makes you double take picking for mog tbh
strong forum
And you get a 40yard leash or 8k+ 1 person heal
modern brook
Specifically for tanking
cyan onyx
What about alliance?
modern brook
What about alliance?
Dwarfs either or
dusky canopy
Bag of tricks heals or leashes? What do you mean leash
strong forum
Leash = pull something from far away
modern brook
That's not a leash thats a lasso bro
strong forum
Being able to pull additional mobs from 40 yards is huge QoL for us
Without ravager
dusky canopy
How do you distinguish what it will do? You press bag of tricks and it does something random like iqd? Or you can rotate what you want it to do?
strong forum
Whatever you target
If you target a friendly, it heals
If you target an enemy, it does damage
It's holy shock
Basically
dusky canopy
Ohh got it
zenith vigil
i macro it to always heal
dusky canopy
So a 40yrf heroic throw
zenith vigil
it's god tier
dusky canopy
In our case
modern brook
I would argue always heal is more relevant than always damage
strong forum
Best thing ever
zenith vigil
^
strong forum
Yeah, the heal is 10x better
modern brook
But the mouse over is probably the brain move
strong forum
Mouseover is big dick qol
zenith vigil
well nomeratur brain already too big for chatroom
strong forum
I use it often on party members
zenith vigil
expanding into universe
strong forum
To save them from death
dusky canopy
Right I will have to mouseover it too
modern brook
Ofc he's struggling
strong forum
For 8-15k
modern brook
He's playing healer
strong forum
And he's safe again
dusky canopy
Whats cd on BoT?
strong forum
1.5min
echo canyon
is mikanikos much better as pelagos ?
strong forum
Yes
zenith vigil
nome, it might be worth updating pins
dusky canopy
See your problem is your not NF
zenith vigil
I know all these people with simple questions would ofc check pins first
right, guys?
dusky canopy
zenith vigil
echo canyon
problem is i am main arms atm and dont wanna swap all the time xD
because conduit energy is a nice design KEKW
dusky canopy
So vulpera Nose for Trouble is passive 300hps and bag of tricks is 1.5m cd 8k+heal
Nice
I think I'll try it out
echo canyon
oh this is pretty nice thank you 🙂
strong forum
And 100% effectiveness for arms m-
Only in raid you'd be missing MC, but you play kleia as arms in raid anyway
echo canyon
i just raid 2 days per week so its fine whit the enegry 🙂
strong forum
Don't need to use energy
With this
Since you don't play mikan in raid as arms
But kleia
echo canyon
better for raid?
cyan onyx
So, should I be using Draven as my soulbind always or is there a reason/time to use Nadiya and Theotar?
dusty forge
How much does a covenant matter in tanking mythic + dungeons? If I were to spec into venthyr for fury, could I still clear 15-20?
echo canyon
@strong forum brutal vitality or fueled by violence?
dusty forge
I'm guessing that it would be very limited use because we're talking a rage-dumping covenant ability.
jagged pier
u dont use condemn on 3+ targets but its fine
sullen tangle
how does prot fair from NF or Kyrian, I wanna switch to Kyrian, but I am gonna miss that soulshape lol
bright flax
How much does a covenant matter in tanking mythic + dungeons? If I were to spec ...
yes you can. play will be 80%+ of your success
dusty forge
Okay.
dusty forge
yes you can. play will be 80%+ of your success
Thanks!
plush tendon
how does prot fair from NF or Kyrian, I wanna switch to Kyrian, but I am gonna m...
Both are equal in terms of performance
play what you like
craggy pilot
if i lower my 16 SD key in Oribos, does it stay SD?
plush tendon
if i lower my 16 SD key in Oribos, does it stay SD?
yes
echo canyon
brutal vitality or fueled by violence? what is our pref?
craggy pilot
if i wanna swap it, do i need to time a 16 or a 15 enough?
craggy pilot
brutal vitality or fueled by violence? what is our pref?
neither
Stalwart Guardian + Unnerving
echo canyon
i have those
dry flicker
you must time a 16 or higher to swap your 16 key
craggy pilot
if you get 3, use Condensed thing
echo canyon
can select a 3rd
craggy pilot
Condensed Anima Sphere
echo canyon
wait can use 4rd ;;p
craggy pilot
what covenant? 😮
dusty forge
Is there still a penalty for switching? And do you keep your renown level?
strong forum
<@!192743144276623360> brutal vitality or fueled by violence?
Fueled works for arms aswell, but you don't use IP as arms
craggy pilot
if you want Charged Additive, go Reactive Retrofitting probably 🤷
strong forum
And both are literally the same hps
short kiln
Since you don't play mikan in raid as arms
Sims tell me mik is more DPS in raid tho....
craggy pilot
love it when people cant even pull 5k dps on first few packs in DOS 15 :<
and healer doing as much healing as my IP + Indomitable :<
nocturne sage
If I’m using Mika for fury spec, does pelagos make a good 2nd option for tanking?
jagged pier
Sims tell me mik is more DPS in raid tho....
it is if u read what he said arms play kelia in raid
jagged pier
If I’m using Mika for fury spec, does pelagos make a good 2nd option for tanking...
fury are using pela in raid
nocturne sage
fury are using pela in raid
I raid tank and m+ fury
Just trying to avoid having to change conduits all the time since we get timegated
jagged pier
probably a route
wild hemlock
Reprisal is the band aid fix to prot
Fingers crossed for rework 10.0
sick sentinel
prot warrior for rbg who says yes ?
short kiln
it is if u read what he said arms play kelia in raid
Yeah I got that. Sims for my arms load out in raid are showing mik as higher dps. That's why I was asking. That said, y'all are WAY smarter than me on this so....
jagged pier
honestly your probably simming wrong
should be way higher
what are u simming on kelia?
jagged pier
i just did a 17 DoS in time which was a woping 2 chests higher than my last DoS
great 5 points
zenith vigil
and also that pack right before the gauntlet
that pack is ouchies
plus my healer was uh
shall we say
jagged pier
pot
thorn remnant
I just swapped to Nightfae (from Necro)... but the idea of Kyrian is very intriguing as well.
jagged pier
u think every pug clownshoe has a pot?
never ahd an issue with a pug not having a pot
🤷
nova surge
Yeah because of simply how warrior works; we're very strong defensively against ...
Ty for your time to answer. I am already using the platter, and ofc i am using the heroic throw to "neutralize" them. Iwas mostly wondering if there is an easier way. But nothing seems to be easy in Mythic+
plush tendon
I just swapped to Nightfae (from Necro)... but the idea of Kyrian is very intrig...
NF where it’s at
safe thistle
in sanguine depth i dunno if you guys use the shining radiance the 2 pack before the gauntlet it does work not only on gloom. but on all dmg.
rancid ember
I usually use it to eat the 1st 2 traps of that big pack.
You can also use it as soon as you pull Kaal on the 1st part of gauntlet. Like immediately and it will be back up for squall
modern brook
u think every pug clownshoe has a pot?
Starting a pug SD during Fort week and not confirming you have pots for the single most important skip in the game rn is on you rbh
mighty valley
rbh = really being honest
strong forum
Rbh = real big honkers
craggy pilot
anyone know how i can remove bookmarks in Details?
gloomy cradle
rbh = real big hog
chilly brook
Rbh = real big honkers
Blizzard is that you?
craggy pilot
oh nvm think i found it
chilly brook
craggy pilot
why is there not an affix thats just "keystone timers reduced by 20%"
would be fun as hell having to speedrun easy mobs
strong forum
Blizzard is that you?
lol
mental scarab
whould you guys use matrix and shard trinket from the raid (normal verson) over some 236-239 trinkets? dont have scale higher then 220-.- i know matrix pumps but at what ivl will scale be better then shard?
craggy pilot
damn i miss Kyrian 😦
mighty valley
for surviving big pulls i think 226 shard > any level of scale
craggy pilot
feels like every week theres some Affix that is just easier to handle as Kyrian
mighty valley
if living isn't too tough, then... i guess sim it for dps? dunno how m+ simming is these days
craggy pilot
Necrotic, Bolstering, Raging... all easier as Kyr
mental scarab
nha i wonna be tanky as F now 😄
mighty valley
shard damage is real weird to hit
mental scarab
love the free dmg from matrix dho
mighty valley
i don't have a matrix 😔
craggy pilot
feels bad having to vendor this because i alrdy got it 236 before getting Scale...
need to keep spamming DOS and get shit i dont need 😦
mighty valley
i made a pact with myself to never try and hunt a specific item
the odds are too low and it only brings me pain
craggy pilot
yea
mighty valley
just do Stuff and get what i get
craggy pilot
just doing the 4 M+ for the week
otherwise i will just be doing constant Mists or TOP cus theyre easy 😄
anyone have some pros/cons of NF vs Kyr?
cant decide if i wanna stay NF
mighty valley
which shade of blue do you like better?
afaik the general breakdown is still kyrian for all-around defense & utility, NF pumps harder
but that might not even be true any more, idk
zenith vigil
cant decide if i wanna stay NF
mighty valley
i don't concern myself with meta covenants for non-hipsters
zenith vigil
stop waffling
craggy pilot
i did DPS sim, and they were VERY close to each other, Kyrian doing like 0.1% dps more
but yea NF locks down a pack for 12 sec
but they can move out of it if you need to kite...
mighty valley
something's gone kinda wrong if you need to kite before AA is even over
craggy pilot
thats what you get when you pug
just had a 15 grp with a 208 hunter...
before that i had a +15 grp with people 240 ilvl but couldnt do dps
we died like 10 times on first pack in DOS
dusky canopy
i just did a 17 DoS in time which was a woping 2 chests higher than my last DoS
My 17DoS is untimed by 20 seconds
dusky canopy
Rag dps came to totem with me instead of his own.... rip
granite mortar
<@!109772218774384640> I can give you my tip for the 3 orbs spawn if you need so...
we havent messed up the 3 set yet, but whats your strat?
fervent summit
cyan onyx
fervent summit
Condemn so good as prot
obtuse monolith
I told myself that but switched to year of the 
and omg worth it. Ditched Ravager for Spear & ItF. Tons of haste, tons of rage. Revenge harder
plush tendon
honest prawn
is prot hard to play?
chilly brook
No
Its extremely straightforward
Does it swing or shoot at me? Block
Does it cast magic? Interrupt, spell reflect or IP
Press shield slam on CD
Press your CDs on CD
Revenge
chilly brook
If you feel like you're taking a lot of damage maybe throw an IP up with shield block and don't revenge
jagged pier
^^
honest prawn
maybe it's because I got a dps brain
uneven river
What you consider the other one ?
strong forum
bdk
chilly brook
maybe it's because I got a dps brain
While what I typed out is an extreme oversimplification it also holds extremely true
If you know what you can block and what you can't everything else is pretty straight forward
modern brook
were u using the shield
blazing condor
I thought we were 2h tanks
modern brook
titan grip but for shields plz
mighty valley
new talent that lets you equip shields in every gear slot
distant crystal
just add 2h shields to the game
blazing condor
shieldstorm arms
dense flame
craggy pilot
how do i make bigwigs show tank stacks? like on the nine fx
craggy pilot
thought so
but doesnt seem like it
also not rly getting any big spells, like Sylv immunity..
thought it would show as an icon, at least thats what i see when other people use BigWigs
hasty fjord
pwar is one of the 2 hardest tanks to play
You really think that or feel that way? I actually (most days) like playing my Prot War over Prot Pally. I dont feel like Prot War is that challenging? Are you willing to explain more? That being said my pocket healer would agree since we dont have near as much self healing abilities or options as a pally does, lol dumb dpsers...
quiet crane
prot is just punished by mistakes far more then other tanks
not having block up or using your cds and such you'el get obliterated, likewise if you play it well you feel godlike unless its magic
burnt pawn
Yo got a little flamed for taking too much dmg in a 19 Mots. Didnt feel that bad apart from people not kicking but healer was doing 4.5k hps. Is that way too much? i know thats pretty vague but he claimed he shouldnt be doing over 4k
kinda thinking thats partially cuz we dont really have self healing and he isnt used to prot warrs but did make me wonder
sadge
primal cape
Did you have unrage ? and where did you take damages, on lab or after 2nd boss ?
burnt pawn
well we did not have unrage
and a bit of both maybe
some packs in lab hurt
most dont
mighty valley
wouldn't take the rage of one rando pug healer to heart too much
if you're taking too much damage on a raging week it's probably dps's fault
primal cape
btw this week hurts, and mists adds have mostly on lab/lasts pull protect/heal spells, it shouldn hurt that much, but if every mobs are raging and youre trying to facetank, youre a chips, just kite i guess
PU ppl already have problem interrupting and doing bombs at same time, dont expect them to help you
burnt pawn
PU ppl already have problem interrupting and doing bombs at same time, dont expe...
Yea this was kinda what i was feeling ppl just did not like interrupts and did not use their cc
might be some hard 
but didnt feel like i was underperfoming at all
tulip drum
hello it is normal to be so hard to tank this week, like i can't tank with the raging affix
what can i do ?
empty spindle
I was playing around on the training dummy and got to 42 stacks - in m+ dungeons do you guys run AM or HR
empty spindle
Even high keys ?
burnt pawn
yes
if you cant live then hr
otherwise AM is always better
also if ur not too comfortable running HR isnt a bad idea
empty spindle
So HR is a more defensive option ? >.>
empty spindle
So both are defensives and add real no offensive value wouldnt you just take the most defensive option ?
Well
That’s a lie
sturdy sable
AM also reduced avatars cd
sturdy sable
And no you wouldn't
Very very rarely are you ever in a situation where you need 100% block uptime
But your always going to benefit from more shield walls and more avatar's
And being able to be more liberal in your wall usages
Fyi AM reduces the cool down by about half if your playing correctly
empty spindle
And you guys use ravager in keys ?
burnt pawn
yea always
But yea HR vs Am is basically just how high keys are you intending on doing. If its high enough then HR is the play otherwise Am is always king
sturdy sable
I cannot stress just how high you need to go for HR
Like for normal content you will never need HR
potent anvil
7k overall in a mists+19 
I dunno if that's big for prot these days with anima powers and stuff.
burnt pawn
no ofc not thats why i said it depends on how high keys you intend on doing. Id say when you do 20-21s and up you can start considering HR over Am and even then its depending on which key it is
burnt pawn
7k overall in a mists+19 <:deswind:533073964096946176>
I dunno if that's big fo...
thats pretty fucking sick
latent pier
This has certainly been a fun week to learn prot on, lol
What situations would you pick seismic in? Blowing up low keys?
sweet summit
Basically any multitarget activity and youre confident you wont die without reprisal
dusky canopy
7k overall in a mists+19 <:deswind:533073964096946176>
I dunno if that's big fo...
Here I am stoked about my 5.5k overall...
Thats some pump!
latent pier
I need to get better with reprisal, I let charges sit a bit too much.
short kiln
Was spoiled enough to pull an Old Warriors Soul in raid tonight. 213 BSS, 239 Aegis, 23 OWS. What am I going with in M+?
blazing condor
Ows and aegis
Not worth having 2 on use
and aegis is busted in m+
@short kiln
short kiln
That's what I was thinking too
blazing condor
Bss is still good especially in raid
short kiln
but Scale is a helluva drug
blazing condor
Aegis and scale is kinda the same thing in the end
Does the same job more or less
jovial flume
what do you see wrong with this image
cedar spear
No health pot used
jovial flume
Look at the ignore pain
forest fern
someone has too much rage to spend if "that" is doing that type of healing ya? 🙂
jagged pier
no ofc not thats why i said it depends on how high keys you intend on doing. Id ...
well at 24s ther like a 50 50 split between HR and AM
strong forum
You really think that or feel that way? I actually (most days) like playing my P...
As Jay said, pwar is punished most by mistakes. If you play well a pwar is very easy to heal, but if you make mistakes its very easy to die.
If your healer says he has an easier time healing your Paladin then you might be doing mistakes or he doesn't know how to heal a prot warrior.
As I've said before that message "in the grand scheme of things" not a single tank is truly hard to play, but for beginners and less experienced players bdk and prot war are 100% the hardest tanks to pick up initially
strong forum
what do you see wrong with this image
nothing entirely wrong with that image, if its a relatively low key you dont need to use Ignore Pain often or at all outside of avoiding to rage cap
but this is just a bossfight
given the 60k indom healing
so this was just a short bossfight, ive killed mythic bosses where i used less ignore pain than he did 🤷♂️
id say the worse thing is that hes venthyr, and thats where he used his rage, so hes actually totally correct in his IP usage
since its a short boss, he spent most of his rage on condemning the boss instead of wasting it on IP, so he did the correct play
jagged pier
@strong forum the 7K with reprisal LETS GOOOOOOO
warped swift
nothing entirely wrong with that image, if its a relatively low key you dont nee...
It was during normal sylv lol
jagged pier
yer its normal sylv doesnt do anything
wide pilot
Hey Jakey have you always been Kyrian or did I swap recently
jagged pier
ive always been kyrian
wide pilot
I’ve been wanting to try it but know I will miss the AA utility
jagged pier
🤷
wide pilot
Does your kyrian ability have a cap on how many mobs it tethers?
jagged pier
nope
wide pilot
Might have to give it a shot this week
Nothing really changes with the rotation right? Use it on cd pretty much?
jagged pier
yep
wide pilot
I dabble in arms too so it should give me a little satisfaction changing some things up
wide pilot
Only thing that has been holding me back really is I pug a lot with my mm hunter friend who is kyrian. And my mission table is darn near maxed out and I make decent passive gold from that which will take months to max again
Would you guys say resto Druid is the worst healer to pair with us in m+
jagged pier
No its probably the best
wide pilot
Really?! Maybe it’s just the ones I’ve played with or we just didn’t play well together. Just feels like they don’t have any oomph to pump the hps when needed
hollow sun
whats wrong with resto druid?
jagged pier
Really?! Maybe it’s just the ones I’ve played with or we just didn’t play well t...
I literally did a 15 last night with the druid mostly in cat form
🤷♂️
hollow iris
yo quick question can you block nw last boss iceshard?
smoky wave
Yup.
jagged pier
Yes
hollow sun
you can't do it as tank, but as dps you can deflect it
jagged pier
you can SR the root as well right?
Yes but u dont get it as tank
worthy karma
It hurts my soul that ice shard is physical dmg 😂 I want to spell reflect it like reaping scythe on top
tardy lily
How should i priorise the "Show of Force" conduit procc? =\ i sometimes feel like i waste it
blazing condor
Yes but u dont get it as tank
I meant if you were to stand in the circle as it gets dispelled form the dps
jagged pier
🤷
jagged pier
How should i priorise the "Show of Force" conduit procc? =\ i sometimes feel lik...
U dont
Its worthless
tardy lily
should i then take another conduit? 🤔
jagged pier
Probably
tardy lily
which stats should i run on my legendaries? Haste+Vers? Crafting the Wall for todays raid
dull harness
use ur avatar for kt root
jagged pier
which stats should i run on my legendaries? Haste+Vers? Crafting the Wall for to...
Haste vers but just run reprisal is better in 8 of the 10 fights and not bad in the other 2 anyway
dusty pasture
Whats the best shard for m+? I have a bunch of shards but one socket
tardy lily
really? reprisal? :O but wont it's value get diminished?
jagged pier
really? reprisal? :O but wont it's value get diminished?
No
U just have to use it properly
jagged pier
Whats the best shard for m+? I have a bunch of shards but one socket
Kyr or cor
blissful pebble
With the demise of cardboard assassin what are engineer tanks putting on their belt these days?
jagged pier
Invis
primal cape
DOS is untankable ffs
blissful pebble
DOS is untankable ffs
Which bit?
primal cape
packs inside
blissful pebble
The inner ring?
jagged pier
DOS is untankable ffs
Its fine u just need to be prepared
blissful pebble
If its the inner ring you can use everything (in sequence on the 1st pull) then kill the seasonal mob before the 2nd big pull and most or all of your stuff will be back up.
hollow sun
this week i am just helping some guildies with ksm, nothing higher 
jagged pier
If u want a high key this week just do NW its easy
primal cape
Its fine u just need to be prepared
Tried +18, was not fun, IP and SB just feel useless
had no problems with sd18, top18 or pf18, and kiting everything feel shitty
brisk sparrow
I am a bit of casual tank and mostly played druid... like one key a week and in bfa warrior tank basically had no downtime - so I am having a bit of problem wrapping my head around things tbh.
do I just always start to kite when SB is falling off?
and try to keep up IP at all times, not priotizing dmg as much? Bfa godmode and bear burned themselves into my head that badly^^
mellow bridge
yes unless you got something else rolling that covers the gaps
and no you dont really prio IP
unless youre doing really hard content
press more revenge instead
IP is mostly a rage dump to prevent overcapping on it or when youre taking heavy dmg to help a bit
mellow bridge
yes unless you got something else rolling that covers the gaps
this was meant as an answer to the sb/kiting question
brisk sparrow
I am wasting quite a bit of rage, that is another thing to work on
mellow bridge
with proper reprisal usage your SB downtime should be pretty low tho
brisk sparrow
okay I see..so I also should do quite a bit of intervening and leap out - charge in and so on?
brisk sparrow
I really enjoy warrior tank, I just need to wrap my head around it again...I feel like you get bad habits as a bear tank 😄
mellow bridge
reprisal sounds harder to play than it actually is
charge into pack, use one of your SB charges to get the CD rolling
intervene whenever a melee is in a good position (dont intervene in a way that gets you hit in the back during it)
if youre playing double time you can look for a stun or a strong slow or w/e to walk out a bit and get another charge in
jagged pier
u should use both charges
brisk sparrow
I just feel like I miss out on charges mostly...since I tend to intervene melee and want to save the leap for kiting
jagged pier
then use reprisal to fill
that doesnt mean double stack
thats means use a charge
then use the next one
mellow bridge
you dont really need leap most of the time to get another charge in
brisk sparrow
I see...maybe randonmly intervening is a thing that got me to struggle aswell now that I think about it
getting hit in the back like that
thanks for the advice! I will try to increase my sb uptime and go for a run if I run out them 🙂
zenith vigil
You should also kite when mobs enrage this week
Kiting them is a fool's errand
facetanking*
fossil plank
So I missed the memo, Reprisal is the raid tank Lego now too?
fossil plank
well at least my lvl 6 Th Wall isnt wasted then, damnikt
fossil plank
Sorry for stupid questions, are you Intervening the other tank? or a melee? Can you still use charge weevoing?
zenith vigil
I use boss casts
sweet summit
i guess intervening the other tank is fine if youre tanking and he is not
jagged pier
i recommend playing the wall on the eye and possibly sylvanas too tho
u dont need it on the eye tbh
zenith vigil
Yeah if you aren't supposed to tank his hits, I wouldn't intervene the other tank
You don't need shield block if you aren't being hit
fossil plank
yeah, mostly trying to wrap my head around how to charge weave when tanking a raid boss
jagged pier
but also fuck charge weaving on the eye
the hitbox is giga fucked <:peepostudy:6...
yes
jagged pier
yeah, mostly trying to wrap my head around how to charge weave when tanking a ra...
its easy, theres a lot of move away mechanics there are a lot of casts u can also just leap and charge back
u can charge just before u taunt
zenith vigil
Especially if ur night fae and you have soul shape for movement
You can waste leap
Without being worried about mobility
jagged pier
okay are ppl still running CN?
because then that arugment is kind of pointless
and i ran rep on that fight as well
as u could just charge to all the adds
blazing condor
I find using leap is fine asf to charge
hollow sun
lfr CN for legendaries Why not adding them to Sod?
zenith vigil
because that would be too easy
blazing condor
They should let you buy them for anima from the same dudes that sold you weps/shields from CN
inland raft
Technically they do but you also need to farm grateful offerings
blazing condor
hollow sun
i have no clue of what grateful offerings do. I think i have 3 of them and i don't know how i got them
blissful pebble
if you are kyrian you can get 5 a day in under 1min doing the soul sort quest and a treasure both next to portals
blazing condor
Are the p3 platforms played out the same on sylvanas or is there different abilities at different times every platform?
sweet summit
its the same abilities, but not at the same time on each platform
wait
they're not played out at the same relative interval/order on each platform
i think that explains it better
sweet summit
brisk sparrow
has details an option to see how much damage has been mitigated in a dungeon for example? Or would I have to run a log for that?
sweet summit
you'd need logs and possibly a calculator
i don't think there is anywhere you can see a summarized mitigation amount in logs
brisk sparrow
well it is not as much about the amount...more about the times I messed up and took a lot of huge hits in a row^^
sweet summit
oh yeah sure that's not bad
but ye you need logs for that
brisk sparrow
thank you! 🙂
also I was really panicking about explosives and realized, heroic throw is the tool of choice right? with devastator and running around to catch them...it got quite hectic xD
sweet summit
heroic throw can hard carry orbs not in melee
i usually just target the ones in melee and auto attack or shield slam
brisk sparrow
okay thanks again 🙂
fossil plank
Is the unholy or frost shard set any use to us while tanking? only asking because I cant get the damn chest to drop, I have all 9 shards and the Frost and Unholy set piece
jagged pier
unholys not bad
sweet summit
unholy is pretty good for damage
id just use rank 1 unholy gems
and try to get a plate stack for lfr with guildies or something
thats the play
plush tendon
Shard of Kyr is bis; after, its whatever
thorn remnant
Should I just suck it up and go Kyrian from Night fae (even though I'd just changed from Necro)?! Subjective opinions only please.