bron owns for monks....
#protection
safe thistle
take a minute and a half to get bron up from zero average
strong forum
Because of, and listen to this
safe thistle
cause they can get stack faster
strong forum
Bron scales off of AP/SP and pet modifiers
safe thistle
ohh interesting knowing the detailed answer
strong forum
And since monks have both spell power access through their gear and get pet modifiers because of sfe and nizuao and stuff like that
They get fuck loads more dmg out of bron
And warrior doesn't have any spell power or pet modifiers, so our bron does nothing
Fucking love that
safe thistle
so hunter kyrian get stronger bron too
but does a warrior orc get more dmg from bron due to passive 🤔
river escarp
Does Ickus boss jump to platforms based on Health%?
Also, for the red slime puddle in PF, if you have a Necrolord for the haste buff and you stand in the red puddle, do you get benefit from both haste buffs?
strong forum
Yes % based
distant crystal
yes you double dip and it's fantastic
but also, we murdered ourselves trying to stand in puddle during infectious rain on tyrannical last week
distant crystal
healers fault though tbh, how does he not keep us up with 60% haste
hollow sun
but also, we murdered ourselves trying to stand in puddle during infectious rain...
i once intervened out of that circle cause i miscalculated the distance
zenith vigil
i thought it was a solo tank soak
lunar jackal
do we take mika or pelagos for prog raid?
narrow girder
Do we have a haste cap? I get up to %50 when things proc...
narrow girder
I'm sitting at 30% base
lunar jackal
but keep in mind that stuff like ITF is not affected by diminihsing returns
so it will give u full value
narrow girder
Ah ok. So i'll just keep gem/chant for haste until around 39%
base
As far as gear, i'm leaning towards the "more" stat versus the "better' stat
narrow girder
10-4, thanks guys
nocturne sage
wall or reprisal for raid?
i'm leaning towards wall since i don't feel there's a lot of movement in the raid
latent pier
I'd probably r6 reprisal first
autumn minnow
hello i have a little problem when it comes to choosing from tha vault there is a 1 hand wep haste/vers 252 and a crit/haste shield 252 whats the best to take as a tank (both my 1 hand and shield i have rn is bad)
obtuse monolith
Reprisal on every SoD fight but Eye Guardian Sylv imo
Shield technically more important than wep, but are you now or potentially going to be killing M Tarragrue? Could be argument to take 1H now and pray for shield drop
autumn minnow
i dont rly raid on that char i normaly just play m+
its the mace from plaguefall and the shield from Top btw
amber herald
shield's our prio item so if you don't raid take that
latent pier
That's a bis prot weapon though, no?
obtuse monolith
Before 259 KT, absolutely
autumn minnow
so what is my best thing to do? take 1 hand since the absolute bis is from KT mythic , and then pray for a shield to drop?
autumn minnow
i wish there was a way to sim :/
amber herald
it's shield
it will directly make your shield block stronger so
and what makes prot warrior good is like 90% shield block
autumn minnow
whats the best shield thats not from the raid? or does it matter?
amber herald
crit has higher value in m+ making it close to vers
so a crit/haste shield is kinda bis there
and yeah bis shield is from mythic tarragrue
cinder nova
i wish there was a way to sim :/
Sim damage or survival?
Even if you could sim survival, play is going to be the biggest influencing factor.
And you can sim damage, so it kinda answers itself.
latent pier
crit has higher value in m+ making it close to vers
interesting
chilly brook
Shield 100% is the play tbh
If you dont have a 252 take the 252
Or kill mythic tarragrue and then if it doesnt drop take the shield
But imho the mindset of dont take a shield because it drops off tarragrue and is easy to do is counting your chickens before they hatch
Plus it means one less item you have to stay in prot loot spec for
Shield>weapy>armor>trinkets>jewelry
Theres some wiggle room obviously but generally this is a good way to break it down
latent pier
is there a mathematical breakdown somewhere where I could get a good idea of how much of a diff a 252 shield is over say, a 246
I love prot, but the raid needs a dps war, so was just curious how much I'm missing out.
fervent summit
is theotar the better choice for prot as venth? 
muted arch
chilly brook
is there a mathematical breakdown somewhere where I could get a good idea of how...
You could just take the block value of a 252 shield and calculate the actual DR with the K value
On a 246 which I assume you have you can just see the block DR amount by just mousing over the block DR in your character sheet while targeting a mob in the chosen content
latent pier
On a 246 which I assume you have you can just see the block DR amount by just mo...
oh, rad. forgot about that.
lament zealot
Do we take the unholy bonus or blood?
zenith vigil
fossil plank
Is Eye of the Jailer white damage unblockable?
lunar jackal
U can only block the angels melees and initial hit of his dot
Rest of the fight is full non blockable
fossil plank
ah , that explains a lot
fringe marten
...when you kill mythic Soulrender, and shoulders don't drop; and you haven't gotten shoulders from 4 or 5? heroic clears, normal clears..etc.. What the ACTUAL FK?!?!
plz game
obtuse monolith
Organize an all-plate clear
cinder nova
And it makes gearing this tier an absolute shitstorm.
obtuse monolith
At least we don’t “need” shoulders like chest and helm
fringe marten
Legit, this week was our last heroic clear
next week..I'm doing 20 plate clear
all pally healers..and ONLY PEOPLE with heroic or higher shoulders.
obtuse monolith
Horde-NA? Cause that’d be fun
latent pier
I tried pugging heroic earlier and it was the most LFR ass backwards shit I've seen in awhile.
like a ragnaros lfr.
wide pilot
Will 239 dom gear with max shards beat out 252 m+ gear outside raid?
balmy coral
I took a look at my performance because we're going to start doing heroic only next week and stop farming normal while progressing.
Some of these numbers are pretty impressive and I'm usually beating three or four DPS in our guild on some fights. I noticed that in heroic I am having to use ignore pain a fair bit more so my parses aren't quite as good. I was only 228 when I did those parses
gaunt dawn
Dont obsess over the percentile
Especially normal ones
There arent too many skilled players in that bracket
zenith vigil
plus, our rotation is like 4 buttons
there's not that much you can do/have to worry about
balmy coral
There arent too many skilled players in that bracket
I finished heroic CN top 200, intend to do ish H SOD the same.
balmy coral
There arent too many skilled players in that bracket
I would argue there aren't many skilled players on all brackets. In my 9 heroic sire kills I probably beat 30% of the DPS as a tank
gaunt dawn
Lots of people getting boosted
Nothing to write home about
Hard to push butting every global
brittle owl
how about bunting every global 
wide pilot
I stopped caring about parses when things like PI counted
jagged pier
Logs show pis so u just ignore those ones
jagged pier
I mean u would be suprised like how few ppl go to mythic for some ppl hc is the end all
Why wouldnt they go for logs there?
🤔
tame jasper
I mean u would be suprised like how few ppl go to mythic for some ppl hc is the ...
Yeah thanks Blizzards shitty Hall of Fame, which locks out low pop servers and x-realm-raudgroups from mythic content until most players have quit until next patch 🤮
jagged pier
I dont think hall of hame has anything to do with it if u wanted to do mythic u would move server imo, ive been part of 2 guilds that moved server to make it easier to recruit and raid and have moved server myself to raid
If thats what stopping you i dunno just sounds like u dont want to do it to me
🤷♂️
ionic fern
Is it ideal? No.
But you have the chance to do what Jakey mentioned if you really-really wanna do Mythic.
tame jasper
So you say I (and many others of the raid, we are split over 5 servers) should pay for Blizzards impossibly to balance factions and their „solution“ to introduce the HoF in hope players move to alliance? Well no thanks.
But yeah HoF is only one part of the problem. The dom shsrds and the need to raid for compatitive ilvl (last two bosses aside, but those two are not a whole tier). In CN you could get equivalent 226 from m+, in SoD you cant in five slots due to shards
jagged pier
- i want a well designed base class
- teir sets that add flavour ontop
amber herald
wohhhh
calm down there that's insane levels of design
how are they supposed to do that
ionic fern
Jeah Jakey..please stay reasonable.
jagged pier
I dont think thats too hard they managed to do that and more in legion
subtle tulip
Nah meanwhile they too busy to create and fix the canduit energy system
gets ofc the prio
sweet summit
pogging
strong forum
Big
gaunt dawn
resets
elfin surge
omg woa teach us oh great ones
worldly onyx
+26 thats insane
fringe marten
I can't figure out..if I like, or hate..how often I hear "Goochie next kick" ANY time I watch pika for like 5 minutes.
I think he likes saying it.
(I do the same in guild groups but I rarely have the same team, I'm puggin' errythang)
worldly onyx
Any suggestions for a Venthyr Prot fellow who is struggling with Soulbind choice? 😅
I'm using Draven Soulbind with Hold your Ground, but it's so hard to use it with Reprisal for full potential, so I get annoyed and use The Wall instead...
Would Theotar + Reprisal be a better approach what do you think? Or is Draven better overall?
tawdry dirge
is it possible to see how many cresses u used in logs?
sweet summit
Any suggestions for a Venthyr Prot fellow who is struggling with Soulbind choice...
this
or this
i prefer nadjia
craggy pilot
how does set bonus dps work? some said if you upgrade shards evenly, the dps of the setbonus goes up, is that true?
fringe marten
yes
craggy pilot
or should i only upgrade the DPS shard?
sweet summit
the set bonus level is equal to the lowest level gem of that set
fringe marten
The easiest way to look at it is; your set bonus is set @ the LOWEST of the 3 shards of the same type you have.
worldly onyx
jeah but I'm Fury Main and I dont swap conduits (omg conduit energy and this system)..... so ill try out Theotar, ty :), oh my bad i can use it anyway thanks to the new paths :D
craggy pilot
hm ye ok, so i guess ill have to upgrade evenly then 😄
fringe marten
And it's approximately like a 25% power boost per 'rank' of the set bonus..it's quite substantial.
craggy pilot
uh that sounds big
how do i get easy Soul Embers then?
i only got like 50 from doing raids
dont rly like doing Korthia daily or whatever the fk it is
sweet summit
u get like 70 ish a week iirc
fringe marten
Clear as much raid content as you can, as high as you can..and do the 'jailer efforts' weekly quest.
craggy pilot
is there a weekly cap?
sweet summit
kinda
there's only so much content you can do that drops embers
so that's the cap
fringe marten
Yes, if you are clearing mythic SoD, and doing the Jailer efforts weekly..that's your max.
sweet summit
🤔
craggy pilot
still boring 
craggy pilot
what is most efficient way of doing Jailer Effort then?
i got 66% and been having it for 3 weeks now
fringe marten
The minibosses that give embers, only give them to you once. You get embers per boss, per difficulty.
Start jailer efforts...do world boss, do all korthia dailies, loot chests/nests/kill rares in korthia. You will peg it in an hour.
sweet summit
world boss and then just daily quests
im "done" with korthia so i dont touch rares or treasures anymore, but the quests are like 10% each
fringe marten
the world boss is 25% of the bar, daily quest turn ins are 7%? or 8%? chests/nests are 3% rares are 3 to 5%
sweet summit
those are rares
craggy pilot
so have to kill 20 rares? jeez
sweet summit
ye sure
craggy pilot
how much does WB give?
sweet summit
25
vapid mica
1-2 hours of korthia + wb and the effort is done
sweet summit
bless you
vapid mica
Im mostly done within the hour tho
Even if korthia is aids it’s the fastest way i think
jagged pier
I dunno wb and assault alone is 50%
Dailies get u too 90
Then 2 rarea or 3 chests its like 40 mins at most
craggy pilot
so if im upgrading gems, should i upgrade all equal, or blood shards above kyr? or kyr above blood shards?
jagged pier
If your raiding blood set first
jagged pier
Only need venari and raid version of that mount
The torghast one is a bit of a joke as prot
bright flax
All i want rn is bloody chest from raid
wide pilot
What’s your guys thoughts on explosives in pugs in the 18 key range. I’m currently killing 60-70 orbs a run which is usually about 45% of the orbs for the run. Groups keep telling me I need to be getting more but at the end of the run I’m seeing ppl with 5, 3 or sometimes none! Is this normal? Is this how it should be?!
I normally don’t have a problem getting explosives as I usually find it to be sort of a fun mini game. The only dif this week is with it being fort and raging I feel like I have to pay more attention than I did in the past and have died many times trying to get orbs rather than paying attention to say shield block uptime or other mitigation
zenith vigil
healer job
bright flax
Report damage from details
Ask the guy in tha last to be useful and help with explosives
zenith vigil
especially if the gap is big
wide pilot
If I’m kiting or jump away from the pack it’s easy to click and throw my axe at the or. But when I’m in the mix it gets really stressful
bright flax
Ye its supposed to get harder
But its not more your job than everyone else
Similar to interrupts i guess but actually needs less coordination
jagged pier
Details ismiss leading as it takesin overkill damage on them
bright flax
I meant dungeon damage, not explosives ones
I wish we couldnt execute explosives tho and see how you could play with ashen in it
strong forum
What’s your guys thoughts on explosives in pugs in the 18 key range. I’m current...
I try to always kill the orbs
Unless my healer says he's got it
bright flax
Could
strong forum
But I don't pug, so I know he's got it unless there's like 3 spawning so I obv just help out insta
Back when healers couldn't 1shot orbs I did like 70-80% of all explosives myself
visual wedge
What is an "ideal" amount of haste vers? I know max haste is around 30% but is it just try get as much as u can? I know stat weights is a trap
jagged pier
Mac haste is 40% and theres no ideal amount of vers
Just highest ilvl with as much haste as u can get
visual wedge
right okay
primal cape
What’s your guys thoughts on explosives in pugs in the 18 key range. I’m current...
do you have the weak aura for bombs please ? im not finding it
wide pilot
do you have the weak aura for bombs please ? im not finding it
its not a wa its a pluggin to details
supple spruce
ivory elbow
any good shield mogs for the level 60 renown transmog
strong forum
Doubt it
ivory elbow
arctic quartz
Hi
zenith vigil
Hello.
strong forum
Aaaand he left
ionic fern
Can't blame him - you guys scary as hell.
jagged pier
latent pier
Critical blocked
hushed sand
Hey guys, just a quick question, would it be better to use blood set r1 or uh set r5 (survivability wise)
strong forum
Blood
Pretty sure it's be blood cuz it's 100% uptime on those 300hps heal
Vs occasional uptime on big dick strength
But I'd just use what Sims higher because surv isn't what you use shards for besides shard of kyr
hushed sand
ty for the answer sir
deep cipher
hey. on which items should i use my valor?
blazing condor
Shield trinkets and jewlery is p good option
latent pier
Shield>Trinkets>Jewelry I'd say.
blazing condor
But whatever you need really tbh thats a great item
latent pier
Shield's really cheap.
deep cipher
ok nice. thanks a lot
short apex
what bosses can/could we solotank (comfortabily) in heroic if theres any
jagged pier
Soulrender maybe
Bosses arent really designed to allow solo tanking
U can get around that with insane dps like if u dont get enough stacks of x before u phase change or somthing and can reset
If u get dps to soak maybe sylv havent tried
zenith vigil
u just need a friendly die by the sword arms warrior
elfin nova
what does slyv do if you leave the platform with arrow without someone taunting off you
strong forum
Prolly clap the 2nd aggro
elfin nova
You can solo tank guardian if you can figure out some way to live the combos
mellow bridge
people have solotanked Sylv already
there's that one guy on method who does it regularly on his BDK in viewer raids
strong forum
You can solotank most bosses from what I've heard, or rather, tank for 99%
mellow bridge
altho BDK is probably miles better than warr for it
on Sylv specifically I mean
is the dance phase on Soulrender long enough to reset stacks?
Else I guess you can BoP them off
even with 1 stack he barely hurts on HC
elfin nova
Warrior wouldn't really have a problem in p3 i don't think
Soulrender dance will drop stacks yes
I imagine the eye is harder on the raid than it is on you
The nine will kill the raid unless you kill kyra very fast
Remnant i don't think you can reset stacks and the debuff is a large increase
Painsmith is possible but probably not worth it
cinder nova
You can definitely solo Pain, it's just gonna hurt like a motherfuck.
That fire dot is kinda gnar
cinder nova
Probably not. If Oblit didn't occur in heroic we could comfortably double-soak sunders still and that hits way harder.
Just don't lose block and try to rotate CDs.
north rampart
Is there a wa for the soulrender dance?
People on disc tell me where to go before i even know whats happening
mellow bridge
pretty sure there isnt
you just need to look at the back of the room
the red aoe slowly creeps up from the back, so you can tell really early and move ahead
cinder nova
It's a very easy eyeball check
I don't think you could program a WA to do that anyway, not without maybe targeting whatever hidden buff causes your screen to change color when you're standing in it prior to going off.
Maybe you could based on coordinates and where the first person moved to.
Since there's only so many pattersn.
elfin nova
Does sunder hit harder
Sunder on mythic barely tickles with all the cds you have to press for oblit
But i guess that's because you only split 4 ways
The dance 'trick' is that you can see the next one spawning before the current one disappears
median tulip
Some of my raid have started to use Theotar as their soulbind; is there a way to write a weakaura that'll tell me when it's been 20s since I last received the Token of Appreciation shield buff?
distant crystal
you probably could, but...why?
are you trying to make everybody heal you once per 20 seconds to min/max the shield? lol
sweet summit
i don't think that's relevant to track as a tank
it can be nice as a dps on some bosses, as battle shout turns into a defensive ability 
median tulip
are you trying to make everybody heal you once per 20 seconds to min/max the shi...
It procs when you buff the person with Theotar as their soulbind. With 3 people in the raid using him, it turns Battle Shout into a rage-free 9k Absorb shield on a 20s CD. But with battle shout on a 15s cooldown itself, you can use it too early. I'm just looking for a way to not clip the internal CD of ToA
distant crystal
ohh
gloomy cradle
take it out back and shoot it
median tulip
There are worse trinkets, but there are much much better ones too
cinder nova
Viscera fills the niche spot of "Well this is a 236 and my other trinket is still a 210, so I may as well use it for the stat boost"
pound-for-pound at decent ilvls with other trinkets it's basically useless.
median tulip
At least it isn't the Pulsating Stoneheart
That thing should be vendored the instant you get it
strong forum
it [viscera] is not great and not terrible
its a dps trinket that does its job but isnt particularily outstanding like phial
nocturne sage
How useful is the trinket off of guardian?
latent pier
I'd kill for an aegis. :(
do you shield block with it or mostly use it to fill a gap?
smoky wave
its one of the best trinkets in the game
The tank one? There's a dps one too from memory?
primal cape
viscera from theater any good?
tried it for a week, it does like 200k dps and 100k heal, more sometimes
ancient monolith
aegis is good for m+ mostly am I right?
strong forum
and very good on sylvanas too
strong forum
because of dots
ancient monolith
oo
strong forum
she mostly does dot damage and big bursts (on which you use SW)
ancient monolith
I haven't got aegis (I think it's a myth because I haven't seen it drop anywhere) but I have 252 scale
would aegis 239 outperform 252 scale though?
strong forum
scale is good too, but in p3 aegis will defo outperform scale
cuz of the many dots and debuffs youre holding
ancient monolith
that makes sense, especially because tanks are actively gathering all dots and place them on platforms' corners
ancient monolith
it's DR so I assume it works on dots
distant crystal
i think it has to be targetted though
like...things that aren't reduced by avoidance
strong forum
it works on dots?
why shouldnt it?
it reduces all damage?
so why should dots be excluded?
odd tree
How do prot wars stack up DPS wise in m+? Feel like I'm pumping, but have nothing to gauge it against as I tank all my runs.
strong forum
6-7k
7k if you pump alot, 6k in average dungeons, and just below 6k on ST dungeons like SOA or TOP i reckon
odd tree
That's about where I sit, but in comparison to other tanks? Are we mid range?
strong forum
idk i havent seen equinox do more than 6k
strong forum
indeed
patent osprey
since its such a not large pull dung
patent osprey
brew busted
strong forum
he has the weppys
so i guess yeah brew is more dmg
cuz of dumb weapons
8.2 all over again
craggy pilot
how is this weeks M+? good or bad?
craggy pilot
ah ye ok
odd tree
Been thinking about lvling another tank class, stuck between brew and dk. Just want something different
amber herald
my experience has been it's easy to time but lots of random one shots which anyone can die to
but mainly the tank
chilly brook
Been thinking about lvling another tank class, stuck between brew and dk. Just w...
Brew is the more interesting option imo
odd tree
Depends on what's raging imo. Got 1 shot by a cast getting off the other day in mists
odd tree
Might go that route, ww also seems to be doing well.
chilly brook
probably slightly more viable than dk if you're pushing highish too
Maybe, we'll see where things are at in a few weeks. That blood boi is hanging on
median tulip
How many ilvls is it worth sacrificing to get the Domination Socket effect Chest?
chilly brook
How many ilvls is it worth sacrificing to get the Domination Socket effect Chest...
All of the ilvl
strong forum
literally all of it
chilly brook
median tulip
I mean, my choice here is dropping from a 252 to a 226, which... is a lot
strong forum
I mean, my choice here is dropping from a 252 to a 226, which... is a lot
does 20ilvl give you 500+ hps and dps?
any shard besides the leech/speed (outside of getting the set bonus) ones is worth the 26ilvl drop
jagged pier
^^
chilly brook
any shard besides the leech/speed (outside of getting the set bonus) ones is wor...
Hey hey speed is big ok
It means I can stay in bad a little longer and move out faster
median tulip
Well what I'm thinking is to put the leech one in the breastplate so that I can use my 252 for stuff where the set bonus isn't active
median tulip
Under normal circumstances I have Bek and Dyz in wrist and gloves. I figure I can chisel the Dyz to socket Jas for when I need the Blood Link, and leave the Rev in the breastplate permanently
That sound right?
strong forum
according to smarter people than me, it would deactivate both sets
distant crystal
🤞
strong forum
according to ptr testing
distant crystal
bummer
strong forum
hasnt been tested on live i think
distant crystal
but also, good
didn't want to need a cloth offpiece to run unholy + blood on boomy
blazing condor
would matrix be better than fusion amplifier?
blazing condor
strong forum
because it never procs the "if go below 20%" thingy
modern brook
Would it on an execute sim?
blazing condor
what if i execute myself
amber herald
trust no one
spiral nova
strong forum
the secret ingredient is raging
mobs doing double damage, especially if all of them hit it at the same time tends to kill you 🙂
strong forum
kick bolts
strong forum
then you cant be surprised about dying to casters
if they get to 30, leap away
outrange those hits
blazing condor
not even kidding
not getting any loot for the millionth week in a row really makes me dislike the game
makes me wanna stop palying
strong forum
wait i thought if you keep telling your players "next week for sure" they stay subbed for longer?
timber abyss
Are y'all NF Prots running Niya or Korayn this week for keys? Korayn's extra movement speed buff looks kinda nice as an escape mechanic for Raging
blazing condor
literally my guild note is "Next week for sure"
strong forum
if you need extra movementspeed to get away from mobs then youre doing smth wrong
that being said, i have no idea which soulbind is actually better
but i can tell you for certain that the movementspeed is not a factor to consider
timber abyss
It's more like an extra escape as the dps are just not keeping cds for raging atm
So any extra kite is nice
timber abyss
Sometimes genuinely not
Prob a case of just looking for DPS more actively using Binding Shot / slows etc
But ye so they're pretty even? I'll prob try both out & see
strong forum
blazing condor
big true
had 17 deaths and still almost 2+ an 18
big scuffed run
still had like 7 min left
tropic gorge
the dps ive pugged with has been super slow on removing the enrage. and sometimes ill miss it, or like 4 things will enrage at once and kersplat
dead tank
is there any kind of way to tell when the enrage may be about to happen? or is it totally random
strong forum
its exactly 30%
when mobs hit 30% HP they enrage
thats it, no RNG no nothing. always that
tropic gorge
ty. thats so damn obvious i should have figured it out by now
tropic gorge
i try not to be all "OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD" when running m+ and tanking, but sometimes its difficult
it probably does and i totally missed it
strong forum
:^)
latent pier
The only thing that sucks is when a caster is freecasting and not a soul is even trying to int them.
woven bear
i'd like to have a heartseeker wa for my bigwigs timer but it somehow doesn't work (https://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?1335614) do you know what's wrong?
patent osprey
when mobs hit 30% HP they enrage
mmm well it's at 30% they can enrage and usually do, but it can be lower than that. Sometimes based off spell queuing. Also they seem to be renraging randomly sometimes. Happened in my mists the other day and happened to nerf yesterday
gloomy cradle
got meleed for 80k by enraged final angel in soa..
apparently shield block is good 😮
hollow sun
i have to say that the 1m bigger halls timer feels su much better now
sterile rapids
mmm well it's at 30% they can enrage and usually do, but it can be lower than th...
Sure the re-enrage wasn't due to the mob healing back over 30%, and then being knocked under again?
strong forum
mmm well it's at 30% they can enrage and usually do, but it can be lower than th...
dafuq
patent osprey
mm thats what I thought @sterile rapids so that is what happend to Nerfs group on the dragon, but it only re-enraged at 19% or something. But when it happened to me, it was the 2 big boughbreakers at the first boss of Mists, and they dont heal :/
Un-explainable 😦 but could be a bug
modern brook
Prolly a bug
sterile rapids
Mmmm, interesting
modern brook
Any chance there's a vod
I don't think things can enrage while channeling
Or casting
Which might explain why you're seeing it popping up later than 30%
But reraging is very likely a bug if it's actually happening
I've had the opposite where things that got fully healed don't rerage when they hit 30 again
Specifically the spinny guys in dos hakkar hallway
patent osprey
strong forum
a log would suffice
patent osprey
so u can see in JPC vid
strong forum
or well, be better
strong forum
if we have a log i can send it some people
patent osprey
but it did heal to 30% again which is why it probably is allowed to re-enrage
but it doesn't do it right away and even does some autos
so maybe theres like an internal CD or something
And for mine... im too lazy to find the vod. I was linked that by my team cause i was yelling at them why its still enraged
hollow sun
I don't think things can enrage while channeling
100% sure they can enrage when channeling, it happened to the mask in dos a few times
sterile rapids
so maybe theres like an internal CD or something
This is what I was thinking as well, was trying to find it on wowhead to see if the ID had a baked in icd, so that it could might be a combination of things. Sadly couldn't find it easily.
hollow sun
unless it enraged right when he was starting channeling
modern brook
And for mine... im too lazy to find the vod. I was linked that by my team cause ...
It's almost exactly 30s from first enrage
Could likely be a 30s recast with a check if it's <30% health
patent osprey
100% sure they can enrage when channeling, it happened to the mask in dos a few ...
that is true, they can enrage whil channeling
happens on Shards in HOA too
strong forum
man how do yall do pools on p3 sylvanas?
before transitioning to the next platform, clear the next one and bring all the pools to your current one so its clean, pick up pools so your group can spread on your current one and drop stacks whenever she casts that banshee veil scream thingy where nobody is actively tanking
dont hesitate to call for externals once you have alot of stacks
sweet kayak
@ Orphrion (Third boss in SOA)
errant oriole
Hey guys so the reprisal leggo is the go to is it easy to manage in this new raid?
strong forum
reprisal has been the go-to leggo since its rework
easy to manage depends on your ability to make it work
hollow sun
stomp reflect?
errant oriole
Oh? Thought it was the wall
strong forum
if you cant make it work youre better off playing wall
errant oriole
So basicly just charge as much as possible?
strong forum
Oh? Thought it was the wall
nop, wall hasnt been the go-to since 9.0.5, just alot of people too lazy to learn to play reprisal in raid
sweet kayak
stomp reflect?
Yes, each time your SR is up, go near a player and let the boss Stomp you 🙂
errant oriole
Sr?
shell fox
viable?
hollow sun
Wait why do you go near someone? Double reflect?
shell fox
i dont.
strong forum
everyone does
jagged pier
literally print screen
cyan onyx
Just keybind the screenshot function in your menu lol
strong forum
anywho
hollow sun
shift windows S
shell fox
is it viable?
strong forum
you should use piercing verdict
hollow sun
xD
strong forum
instead of show of force
strong forum
change the potency conduit to an actually good one
blazing condor
before transitioning to the next platform, clear the next one and bring all the ...
i know the strats and why's but i just cant get the execution in practice
its like do you still swap on heartseeker
or only arrows and then go clear platform 2?
etc
strong forum
that i cant help you with
i only know what i know from streams, im not raiding this tier
and probably wont raid next tier either
modern brook
viable?
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win+shift+s, ctrl+p
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piercing verdict in the mandatory potency slot.
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swap unnerving and condensed anima aphere, assuming you're sharing this with arms?
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double potency is still probably better than quad endurance, even with auto phial.
dire oasis
@shell fox
rancid ember
<:sadge:820202363359854633>
On the 1st platform immediately after the 1st volley of arrows skip to the 4th platform and clean that one off. It'll help you later in P3. (You can jump from 1st to 4th during 1st platform phase)
After you do that you still have plenty of time to go to the 2nd platform and start cleaning that one. You can also do this with wailing arrow assuming you were tanking her when it was cast.
There is virtually no reason to tank swap in that phase, BUT what I do is taunt a few sec before wailing arrow. That way it makes me the 1st arrow and I can go clean up the 2nd platform again (Same thing for 3rd and 4th platforms as well.
You should find downtime during 2nd and 3rd platforms to go clean up the next platform outside of wailing arrow, but generally use wailing arrow as a 2nd go around to clean it up. Make sure you always get dispelled b4 leaving "RAZE" cast
Just remember when Banshee Fury casts are coming up so you know when to clean / get dispelled. Like when you land on Platform 3 her 1st spell cast is Banshee's fury
Highly recommend Hakkar trinket for that too to help you absorb more pools at times
blazing condor
Thanks man i’ll try it out next raid day 
rancid ember
No problem hope it helps!
patent osprey
Wait did they change SR for 3rd boss spires?
rancid ember
Just had an arms warrior do it recently and it seemed to work. Or are you talking about stomp?
patent osprey
the stomp
blazing condor
It reflects the dot
strong forum
I think since 9.1 it's maybe a reflect?
tardy sequoia
you mean you should go back and forth in the initial corridor?
strong forum
Pretty sure it never reflected the dot prior to 9.1
blazing condor
Yeah i think so too
tardy sequoia
while a frost mage freezes the mobs in place?
strong forum
I could be wrong, but Im fairly confident
blazing condor
The best you can do
patent osprey
yeah I dont even know when it made it reflectable?
used to be just deflect
I never even checked
strong forum
Has to be 9.1
patent osprey
imma check now lol
blazing condor
Is to have the mobs stay as still as possible while you avoid getting hit
blazing condor
So you can use spear if kyrian or kite in a circle
Use heroic leap and thunderclap to slow
Or shockwave
Etc
In halls its usually more safe to kite in one direction if yougot the thrust guys in the pack
So dps dont get clapped
calm obsidian
@patent osprey just go into its hit box it will stomp. Be away from ppl. It does a lot of dam now
strong forum
Kiting just means being outside of range of being hit
Use whatever tools you need to help you do it
That's it
The tldr
tardy sequoia
but do dps manage to actually do DPS if I leap away?
strong forum
Yes
blazing condor
Yes
strong forum
Ofc
blazing condor
The mobs arent trackstars
tardy sequoia
how does a caster do it
blazing condor
And usually mobs are cc’d or slowed/whatever
strong forum
Mobs don't run at mach speed lol
tardy sequoia
and should I cast any abilities while kiting?
strong forum
If you can hit them with TC, sure
strong forum
Was just about to say that
blazing condor
maybe i am a stormforged
blazing condor
You can always charge the furthest one and shockwave the pack mid-charge then run back the other way
But i wouldnt advice that
Not too reliable
blazing condor
If you have people who can soothe raging
It shouldnt be an issue
Since they can sooth while you kite
So you can go back to killing again
strong forum
Like there's no real science needed to be done
You'll know once something is safe again to go in or not
If you don't... Then... Well, play more and get more experience
It really is all that simple
blazing condor
^ that
Experience is key here
You’ll figure it out
No hard rules on how to kite
Just avoid getting hit really thats it
strong forum
Just press buttons and have fun
jagged pier
im trying but ppl keep dcing or fucking up keys
3 keys ain a row venthyr druid doing 4k overall
patent osprey
<@!133743762999476224> just go into its hit box it will stomp. Be away from ppl....
yeah i know how to force the stomp and deflect it. Wanted to konw if there was something special u had to do to reflect or if thats just the norm now ^.^ ty
strong forum
3 keys ain a row venthyr druid doing 4k overall
patent osprey
Just don't run with them 🙂 thats what i do
blazing condor
Based
patent osprey
kek
austere wedge
Just don't run with them 🙂 thats what i do
The man speaking facts
blazing condor
Then they do 3k overall dps
and 3k overall healing
Its like running with an alt guildie with 190 ilvl
austere wedge
True true
blazing condor
strong forum
Kyrian rsham damage is NUTTY
austere wedge
Hpala in my top19, doesnt pop ashen at the 1st pull even tho I specified it. 2.5k hps when i did 3.9k. Left after we wiped
blazing condor
Fuck hpalas
austere wedge
His hame was “Pogadin”
austere wedge
And yes the boomies are just traps
strong forum
If I have to pug a healer, I will always pick a class that can heal without fancy CDs
austere wedge
Didnt see a good one in m+. Ever
strong forum
Aka monk, druid and shaman
chilly brook
Monks pump
blazing condor
We stan cocoon
strong forum
The other classes I don't trust to perform well especially if it's an venthyr hpal
No trust
And boomkins are entirely hit or miss
blazing condor
Venthyr players are just bad its like slytherin
austere wedge
99% miss
tardy sequoia
don't know guys i tried to to what you advised me to do
austere wedge
Happens when they remove the hit point stat from wow
tardy sequoia
but mob split up and I eventually died
tardy sequoia
like spread as butter on bread
blazing condor
And you had aggro?
tardy sequoia
yes
blazing condor
What pull was it
tardy sequoia
second pull of HoA
austere wedge
Consisting of?
tardy sequoia
darkblade/obliterator with lady and the bears
austere wedge
No smallies?
tardy sequoia
im following dratnos skip route as petko's one didnt come out yet
strong forum
Don't do petko routes
austere wedge
If u wanna be giga safe take oblitarator and darkblade with smallies and do dogs separately
strong forum
Petko is a huge meme
tardy sequoia
with dratnos i couldnt time keys
jagged pier
when your in an 18 and the healers lets u sit on 2 stacks of soul split for full duration, so u use all your cds
strong forum
Routes don't time keys on low levels
jagged pier
then its happens again
strong forum
People do
jagged pier
and u die and get blames for being a bad tank
austere wedge
I time dratnos routes idk
jagged pier
blazing condor
Just reflect xdd
chilly brook
Dratnos routes are fine in 17s
jagged pier
i reflected the first set
strong forum
Can literally go in a straight line and should be timeable if nobody fucks up
austere wedge
Try to separate the dog pack i suppose, that’s the easiest way
strong forum
I mean yah, I hold myself to very high standards
austere wedge
Or go NF and blink blink
jagged pier
i dunno im only doing 18s now and even i consider them low
chilly brook
do them and you can tell me they are low
A lot of us do them
jagged pier
🤷
austere wedge
And your dps knowing when to help you with ccs
blazing condor
Thing is - granted you have approptiate ilvl and dps. You really dont need anything special to time keys 18-20
No strats or routes
austere wedge
If they are braindead blasters you got no chance
tardy sequoia
maybe with tyrannical
austere wedge
No tank has this week
tardy sequoia
i have problems with fortified
chilly brook
maybe with tyrannical
Wat
austere wedge
Especially with enrage
strong forum
Because its much easier to kill packs than bosses
tardy sequoia
with tyrannical you just have to execute mechanics
jagged pier
its harder on tanks if the dps only mongo damage and still only do 4k overall
chilly brook
Tyrannical is harder to push than fort my guy
jagged pier
tardy sequoia
aboslutely not
chilly brook
Absolutely is
blazing condor
The tyrannical scales horridly
strong forum
Then you have shit dps
chilly brook
Tyrannical scaling is a fucking joke
strong forum
Tyrannical is only easier on lower keys
chilly brook
You think they nerfed almost all the bosses this last week for no reason?
strong forum
Because dps players don't do dps on aoe
tardy sequoia
that's why
austere wedge
You think they nerfed almost all the bosses this last week for no reason?
And now most of them are a joke
jagged pier
they only did that tuning because they made the dungeons with pride in mind
dont at me
austere wedge
Till now the combination of affixes was better on tyr weeks
modern brook
probably but also nothing wrong with that tbh
strong forum
Fort increases the overall dmg to be done to be higher, but the chance to wipe on bosses is lower.
Tyr lowers the overall dps over the dungeon, but it's much easier to wipe to bosses and thus rip the key.
You can always pull bigger and better on trash
Bosses? Not so much
Dps players die very easily on bosses
jagged pier
i dunno nome can u tell that to the 2 group i had wipe in first pull of mists because they stood out of the aoe and got popped and insta killed
austere wedge
Tyr is harder just because if u wipe on one boss it’s depleted
jagged pier
so the pull went on forever
chilly brook
I mean really this whole discussion is moot
austere wedge
Fortified timeable with 10 deaths and 6 mins left on the clock
strong forum
I'm talking in general here for low keys
tardy sequoia
Anything above 15s are high key, just because you've accomplished something doesn't mean that's true for everyone
chilly brook
It's a long standing fact that continues to be true that Tyrannical is harder than fort
jagged pier
no they are not
tardy sequoia
above 20s are very high keys
strong forum
That's a copium my dude
jagged pier
22s are like high keys
strong forum
People are doing 26s
chilly brook
I know a lot of people who dont do MDI that do 22s
strong forum
Already
chilly brook
jagged pier
i wish i had a group so i didnt have to pug and get stuck in low keys tbh
strong forum
20-22s are high mid tier keys
chilly brook
One of the monks on our roster just did a 23 hoa last week during tyran
tardy sequoia
that's like 1% of people who, again, isn't the standard
austere wedge
U should have not taken it as an insult tho
jagged pier
step into a normal raid your above the standard
tardy sequoia
mid-tier is between 10 and 15
chilly brook
Ehhh
jagged pier
u guys would be suprised how little of the player base do m+
tardy sequoia
after 15
strong forum
15 is the minimum key level for maximum loot. So it's not a high or mid level
blazing condor
How low content the average player does*
chilly brook
15s are baseline easily completable content
jagged pier
how can i complete an endless scale of content?
tardy sequoia
i tell you how
chilly brook
if youve done all 15s youve completed the content
austere wedge
But yea people got a point, 18s - 19s right now are fairly ez
tardy sequoia
20s is good
blazing condor
Pointless discussions
tardy sequoia
in my server nemesis #1 is like all 20s
jagged pier
well that doesnt answer my question that just tells me whos best on your server
anyway like good im off
chilly brook
tardy sequoia
well that doesnt answer my question that just tells me whos best on your server
content is endless - reward is not
if even blizzard acknowledged that after doing 17s it gives you the orange color rating - legendary color - it should give a badge that you're a good player
austere wedge
Night night
patent osprey
unique shale
hollow sun
I think it really depends on your group. 17s can be pretty challenging when your Dps don't kick, don't know what spells to stun etc or when the Dps is simply low
modern brook
yes it turns out its hard to play the game when you dont paly the game
austere wedge
yes it turns out its hard to play the game when you dont paly the game
KEKW
vivid talon
Hey Guys, i´m plying Zandalari Prot Warrior and i´m unsure, wich Loa is the best to embrace. some say its, Pa'ku, some say it`s Kimbul. How is your ecperience with that?
hollow sun
Druid, hunter, and in some way rogue. Raging is soothable
craggy pilot
thx
hollow sun
Rogue cd on soothe is 24 sec. Assassination rogues use the soothe as Dps cd so don't rely too much on rogues to soothe
strong forum
Hey Guys, i´m plying Zandalari Prot Warrior and i´m unsure, wich Loa is the best...
I'd just slot in the crit proc, and forget about it existing
You can sim it if you wanna min max
fringe marten
Did that mans post a picture of the corner of his laptop screen..to compare his conduits????
FKN LEGEND
Also... man I don't like playing DPS LOL
Nom does the crit proc on zanda troll give you parry? I was kinda' sad when I noticed Kleia's Pointed courage and other crit boosts never gave parry
craggy pilot
is Stitchflesh Misplaced Signet worth spending Valor on?
fringe marten
I just maxed mine last night, and replaced a 252 crit/versa vault ring with it.. But i'm a monkeyblooded mongo.
(it's real good yeah)
Doing my dungeons each week I held on to a stitchflesh signet and bloodoath signet that had avoidance on it..I'm maxing those.
and a margrave cloak, when I'm using reprisal legs.
lunar jackal
Guys this is not for me but is there a way to see what IQD did on logs?
modern brook
"Yes"
It's not like it's a big chart but it's effects will be there
Buffs will show up in buff uptimes
Execute as damage etc
Just note the times of the casts in casts
And dig for the event that corresponds
silk edge
Pulling the red slime in pf on first boss is because it damages him ?
timber cloud
you can stack both for like 50% haste
latent pier
Reflecting enraged wrack soul in SD is fun though.
If they cast at the same exact time does it reflect them all? It looked like it did since none of them applied.
timber cloud
yep. same applies to mobs like the birds in Spires. if you stun them all on pull, their first cast will be timed together and you can reflect all 3 / 4
latent pier
that's spicy.
do you have to basically be hugging them so all the projectiles land at the same time?
or is it calculated in the air
distant crystal
it should be on land
nocturne sage
If I'm using Wall for raid, should i prioritze AM over Bolster?
hollow sun
If I'm using Wall for raid, should i prioritze AM over Bolster?
i know nothing about raids but people here say that AM is better in almost every scenario instead of bolster
modern brook
Just learn reprisal tbh
Bolster is used to cover gaps in sb up time
Raids have a 2ns tank who theoretically gives you large gaps of no longer taking blockable damage
And thus large amounts of time to rebuild shield block charges
So bolster rarely is worth while
Am is a damage increase cause more avatars.
The cdr with it and the wall is cute
But let's be real here: you're holding sw for mechanics and barely using it twice a fight as is rn
So most of that cdr will be wasted
inner knot
is warrior a good tank for someone switching to the role for the first time?
modern brook
Sure
lunar jackal
"better" is extremely subjective.. better at dealing with magical damage?? No. Better overall mitigation when played right? Yes IMHO. Less kiting Yes... much less
errant oriole
Is the shield block up time with using the wall really bad?
inner knot
do tanks have to kite 15s? or is that only something that happens later on at high keys
mighty valley
i mean depends on gear level and affixes, mostly no
mellow bridge
Is the shield block up time with using the wall really bad?
Well it's a lot worse than with reprisal
It forces you to take bolster
With reprisal you can just go AM instead, still get the cdr on SW that way while getting it for Avatar too
And all the other good reprisal stuff
granite mortar
has anyone found a way to get the helm from Remnant to actually target you? I am standing underneath it and it still targets the tank on the boss
fading quiver
granite mortar
Thank you!
candid path
once you get to three orbs at a time, they spawn in a 45 degree angle away from the helm's location
so your goal should be to draw an L with the lines, effectively, and you can predict where orbs will spawn based on the helm's movement
errant oriole
@mellow bridge so whats the trick to using reprisal anyway?
ocean yoke
basically just charging and intervening when possible
nocturne sage
Is there a breakpoint for ilvl vs dom socket in raid?
as in, is it worth it to buy the korthia dom socket to get the bonus vs a 246 item?
cinder roost
Set bonus is bonkers so yes.
nocturne sage
even if i can only get the 200 lvl item?
cinder roost
You would even wear LFR item for it
nocturne sage
sorry 220 item
cinder roost
The Blood set is 500-700 dps and 200-400hps (don't really remember low rank but still)
@granite mortar Are you on Mythic NZ ?
modern brook
Is the shield block up time with using the wall really bad?
Shieldblock uptime is meaningless, you're looking for effective uptime, which is better measured by % of vlockable damage instances actually blocked
granite mortar
yeah, a lot of guides say the helm targets the off tank if they stand close, thats false, it targets the actual boss
modern brook
Reprisal bumps it from high 70s to low 90s when playes
sour nova
Are the low-mid 90s what I ought to be targeting then? I usually end up at about 90.5%