Do you kite 
#protection
oblique garnet
patent osprey
yes I kite when mobs are raging and I only have 1 rogue soothe every 25 seconds
lean moth
@patent osprey you running CT or bounding stride for your mythics?
patent osprey
I dont find any value in Bounding stride
strong forum
He's a CT scrub
patent osprey
but CT allows me to keep at a distance and keep aggro
oblique garnet
Oh yeah you probably do higher keys
lean moth
makes sense
oblique garnet
No shot im kiting in a 15 or 16
patent osprey
if ur not kiting, ur not pulling big enough 😉
oblique garnet
🙂
jagged pier
I dont find any value in Bounding stride
U also let intervene sit off cd for over 30 secs 👀
patent osprey
not kiting is why people thought Prot war was dog water at the start of S1
oblique garnet
You clearly dont know me and my pulls 
patent osprey
U also let intervene sit off cd for over 30 secs 👀
I HAVE TO USE IT AT CERTAIN TIMES!
jagged pier
XD
jagged pier
sounds reasonable
strong forum
70k overall in s2 on a 23 or w/e it was
strong forum
Target cap is fuck
oblique garnet
I miss wcm more
strong forum
WCM was big cock
zenith vigil
i miss court of stars
oblique garnet
Always had good times in raal room
jagged pier
I likednit
oblique garnet
Courtyard
zenith vigil
oblique garnet
I think my favorite run was doing full fh all count
Basically like doing a freehold boost but on a +15
oblique garnet
strong forum
LEMME DREAM
oblique garnet
Im just a washed up warrior now
smoky wave
Rafiki soulshape when?
oblique garnet
Yeah same
zenith vigil
and in the meantime that hes not full renown he's not being perfectly optimized
oblique garnet
Should do it but miss SS just thinking about it
zenith vigil
oblique garnet
Do you play nf @patent osprey ?
modern brook
Lmao nf
oblique garnet
I mean im just asking because im not sure what soulbind prot uses as NF
Ive been playing around with korayn
zenith vigil
niya or korayn
oblique garnet
And what conduits am i supposed to play
zenith vigil
there definitely aren't guides in #268491842637660160
take that, mod!
but ya king mwahi's icyveins guide has everything u need
the absolute g*mer
sweet summit
Potency:
Destructive Reverberation
Adaptive Armor Fragment - Slightly
Show of Force - Slightly
Endurance:
Stalwart Guardian
Unnerving Focus
Condensed Anima Sphere
Finesse:
Inspiring Presence
Safeguard
zenith vigil
zenith vigil
Cant believe how boring conduits are for prot
for every class kekw
oblique garnet
I mean atleast on other specs you get something
limpid anchor
is shard of cor realy bis for raid? zed and kyr seem to be more usefull
zenith vigil
no, the theorycrafters just like to play jokes on you
and put the wrong shit in the pins
limpid anchor
yea maybe!
zenith vigil
🙄
median tulip
I wish the Domination Shards had meaningful names FFS
median tulip
Well that too
zenith vigil
oh you want maximum power? lmao gotta raid
median tulip
I'm also pissed that there's a new socket system, and my Jewelcrafting has fuck all to do with it. As if JC wasn't already fucked over enough in this expansion
zenith vigil
cant be any worse than engineering
median tulip
At least engineering gets a Brez and to turn the slimes in DOS off
patent osprey
I mean im just asking because im not sure what soulbind prot uses as NF
I use Niya for the survivabily. It actually does really good self healing
But burrs is also great ST for tormentors
oblique garnet
Yeah but korayn is more dam ?
patent osprey
korayn is more dam on fort yeah
oblique garnet
Ill worry about surviving when i start dying
latent pier
I wish the Domination Shards had meaningful names FFS
The dyz nuts jokes got old on day one
short kiln
So I took scale and aegis into torghast layer 12 yesterday and was legit invincible. I go to do some keys with it after and to Plkas point, raging was some shit. Lmao. My HPally healer was cursing my stubborn face tanking ass all night.
ruby oar
is it reasonable to run into the fray if you're low on haste on your gear?
I know I should just get higher on haste but vaults are not kind so far
chilly brook
ITF=raid
ruby oar
I mean for M+
strong forum
reprisal should be quite the big bandaid in m+ to cover for low haste
obv its not good to have low haste, but it should be enough
ruby oar
aight ty
strong forum
its also not illegal to run ITF if you feel more comfortable with playing it
arctic robin
You guys always run heavy repercussions for high keys or is there some scenario where anger management is better/stronger ?
arctic robin
Seeing a lot of top prots running it
arctic robin
thats why i was curious
zenith vigil
and need all the shield blocks
arctic robin
ye thats what i assumed
jagged pier
24
arctic robin
Ok
jagged pier
i guess whenever u want
rotund thicket
https://gyazo.com/24c831618ab89090908f22e49d3de5d5
Should i take the Shield or the Ring? im not sure :c
strong forum
from 80-85% to 90-95% blocked
strong forum
https://gyazo.com/24c831618ab89090908f22e49d3de5d5
Should i take the Shield or t...
shield
the real tradeoff is less avatars and WAY less shieldwalls vs 10% block uptime
you make the choice
arctic robin
Ok
oblique garnet
Remember when every prot during bfa played vers amps
arctic robin
Thanks, that was very clear !
oblique garnet
oblique garnet
30% leech with full td
sacred timber
I love running normals. I just got a group that said "learn to tank" when Im fucking KSM....
cause yea... me.
bright flax
Its still a good general advice
jagged pier
maybe a high dos key
strong forum
Aegis is better on sylv actually, lmao
jagged pier
yer but both init
strong forum
I got that exact same ring, was a huge upgrade for me though
Im not gonna run an unsocketed non-haste ring as prot
jagged pier
like mega cringe mode
strong forum
I liked moose
subtle tulip
So is kyrian atm clearly better than NF? I love my AA and Niya/Korayn soulbinds, but if the consensus is that kyrian is clear cut better I better restart the renown grind.
strong forum
No they're equal
Literally equal
The only difference is potion vs soulshape and tether vs knockdown
THAT'S IT
subtle tulip
Dope, I thought so but my other mythic+ friends say that most warriors are kyrian atm.
strong forum
They are, but you can literally be either
subtle tulip
The only difference is potion vs soulshape and tether vs knockdown
Tbh, I'm also a dorf, so I feel I get away with NF more than others ^^
modern brook
Tbh, I'm also a dorf, so I feel I get away with NF more than others ^^
No the point is that there is no difference
hollow sun
there is a way to see the number of explosives killed in logs^
modern brook
there is a way to see the number of explosives killed in logs^
In wclogs or details?
Details no
hollow sun
logs
latent pier
I don't like the tether. Something about it just seems lame.
modern brook
Wclogs maybe idrk
bright flax
there is a way to see the number of explosives killed in logs^
Im sure the healing centered discords have leaderboards no?
modern brook
I don't like the tether. Something about it just seems lame.
The trick is tou don't use speae for tether outside of pvp
latent pier
I just meant the ability in general
latent pier
Aftershock seems more impressive with no legendary than spear without legendary.
modern brook
Damage to explosives is misleading
bright flax
I don't like the tether. Something about it just seems lame.
Thats enough reason to be a tree hugger then
jagged pier
Aftershock seems more impressive with no legendary than spear without legendary.
its not the leggo that gives spear its power
modern brook
Because it counts overkill
latent pier
I wish I was wrong but for some reason they gave the metal faction the bitch power so
:(
modern brook
So a rogue auto attacking 90 explosives to death
Loses to a warlock casting chaos bolt into 2
latent pier
Who chaos bolts an orb
hollow sun
yeah makes sense
latent pier
Shadowburn maybe
hollow sun
i am still pretty sure that me and warr took them all lol
modern brook
Honestly explosive kills don't matter
It's generally just an excuse so you can feel better about a mistimed key
modern brook
Who chaos bolts an orb
That's the point
hollow sun
no, its because sometimes you have the feeling that if you don't kill it no one else will
latent pier
I wouldn't say they don't matter. Damage doesn't matter but amount of hits I'd want to see.
modern brook
Yeah but it doesn't matter
Explosives is a binary experience
Either they're killed or you are
Only reason to care who's getting them
Is if you lost to them
In which case your whole team is being greedy and uncoordinated
latent pier
I mean
zenith vigil
explosive is healer's job
latent pier
Yeah, not hitting them will make a boom
latent pier
If they go boom enough, you'll want to know who isn't hitting them
modern brook
refuses to elaborate
Generally melee kill shit in melee with aa, healer moon fire equivalents stuff outside of it
zenith vigil
as a tank
I'm phsyically ill at the thought of adding one more responsibility to my pile instead of pawning it off on some other person who definitely has less jobs
latent pier
I pop what I can but when it's a big pull and blocks running out I focus on getting the hell out when raging procs.
Half considered a mouse over macro for slam and heroic throw
modern brook
I can't copy my comment url on mobile but exactly.
modern brook
It's generally just an excuse so you can feel better about a mistimed key
Tbis
strong forum
I'm phsyically ill at the thought of adding one more responsibility to my pile i...
i always end up doing atleast 70% of orbs myself
NO TRUST
bright flax
remember, you can only carry a dungeon so much
modern brook
Yup
bright flax
so just type at start "healers job" or do it yourself while cursing them
modern brook
It's not like it's hard to throw weapon them
modern brook
I'll heal you right nom
strong forum
no trust
latent pier
Surely the ragnaros druid will pop orbs for us
modern brook
Ur eu u wouldn't understand
latent pier
Not your rag, our rag.
It's really bad dude, like we're talking 80/20 ratio of terrible to good
bright flax
thats like looking down your venthyr protecc brothers
bright flax
they still protecc, they made their choice, its meaningful and sucks to change
latent pier
I don't get why I never see prot warriors in pugs. They seem pretty solid.
Until casters start slapping me I feel 0retty much immune to physical dam most of the time
strong forum
cuz its just not popular
simple as that
if pwar isnt as dominant as in BFA, you wont see alot of them
latent pier
I get bears are fotm but still
strong forum
BDK is popular even if its bad or weak
but people prefer that playstyle for a reason i dont understand
latent pier
Is prot perceived as bad? I figured with how many wars there are I'd see the odd prot
strong forum
yes
its gotten better
but alot of people that dont stay in the mix still think pwar is unplayably bad
modern brook
Not your rag, our rag.
Honestly idt rag-us is that bad. They're just predominantly Spanish speaking
So take your average shitter from any server
latent pier
Do we scale the best with the standing still armor power, or would that still be bears?
modern brook
And remove English vocabulary
And of course they'll consistently underperformed in a predominately English environment
jagged pier
Do we scale the best with the standing still armor power, or would that still be...
no u take barbs
latent pier
I can at least forgive communication and lag issues, but the most questionable shit I've ever seen is predominantly quel/rag/azralon
median tulip
Honestly idt rag-us is that bad. They're just predominantly Spanish speaking
same thing that makes eu-kazzak everyone's avoid server. Communication is a massive force multiplier.
subtle tulip
I mean last week as tank you're the one responsible getting the mobs out of sanguine, so a couple of orbs here and there aint a issue to keep track off.
bright flax
classic russian signup on lfr: "good dps, no death" the good ones perform as good ones
latent pier
no u take barbs
Well then
modern brook
Is kazsak like a French server or something
strong forum
no its a regular english server
i dont know alot of server lore, but its a huge server with alot of mythic raiding guilds that isnt twisting nether or tarren mill, so we transfered there
median tulip
Is kazsak like a French server or something
In theory it's a regular english server, but it actually has loads of people from Eastern Europe, Greece and Turkey, so communication is pretty much a roll of the dice
ruby oar
its one of EU's big 4
strong forum
In theory it's a regular english server, but it actually has loads of people fro...
ive heard that exact thing about Twisting Nether
that its filled with turks
median tulip
I believe TN is the Alliance equivalent?
bright flax
Silvermoon would be
median tulip
Not sure about that, I don't play alliance
strong forum
Silvermoon is Ravencrest but alot more casual
modern brook
Not sure about that, I don't play alliance
At least when you die you can be confident at the gates of heaven that you've made one correct choice in your life
median tulip
Horde 4 life
bright flax
the big realms have ppl from everywhere. its just you tend to remember the name of the realm more often and makes you think bad of it
you're actually more likely to get an avg good player from it than from empty servers
strong forum
idk the only server i know to avoid is Gordunni
cuz its the biggest russian server apparently
ruby oar
avoid burning legion too, huge Polish population. We polacks usually find one server and treat it like its our own
median tulip
the big realms have ppl from everywhere. its just you tend to remember the name ...
actually more than that; the big servers attract people who want to be all that, but aren't. But the people there who are all that have static teams and guilds, so they don't PUG as much. Therefore the chance of getting a bad player from a "big name" server is proportionally higher
modern brook
🧠 🧠 🧠
blazing condor
TN is uber turkish
median tulip
PUGs are crapshoots regardless
modern brook
Wins what? Curling?
median tulip
Sometimes you hit the jackpot and get 4 people who really kick ass. Sometimes you roll snakeeyes and get 4 people who got carried to their RIO score.
modern brook
They can afford to be
plush tendon
favorite server full of non toxic g*mers
I call bullshit
bright flax
must be nice
sullen tangle
so how is the playstyle this week? Kite for days cuz im getting plastered on 17's
zenith vigil
so how is the playstyle this week? Kite for days cuz im getting plastered on 17'...
bring a druid and a hunter, soothe things, win game
plush tendon
or treat raging like Necrotic
median tulip
A healer with a mouseover instacast to take out explosives helps too
sullen tangle
so is resto druid preffered for this week?
bright flax
so how is the playstyle this week? Kite for days cuz im getting plastered on 17'...
charge -> build rage -> dump rage. runaway if you're scared. business as usual
sullen tangle
so whats ur preferred healer? Hpal?
blazing condor
Shammies clap
bright flax
the one that will do explosives is higher on my personal ranking for this week only
blazing condor
I like hpals when theyre not retarded
sullen tangle
I like hpals when theyre not retarded
A good Hpal makes the run that much better have noticed recently
bright flax
if you're pugging you probably want experience above anything. mind raging but other than that play with the best players you can find
sullen tangle
I have been pugging peeps with 2k+ IO but I seem to always be on explosive duty lmao
median tulip
HPal bring some added control/stun which is often welcome when dealing with Raging mobs if your Soother is on CD
short kiln
Canadian gamers are sick
we try. 🙂
bright flax
tell them you're not there to handle that shit
focus up or go back to signing up for 30mins
distant crystal
healer told me he can't heal through explosives last night, i told him he should prob kill em then
granted, he's a guildy offspeccing in keys, but the point remains!
sullen tangle
yeah I tell them that but they just say i bad and just sword toss them lmao
modern brook
granted, he's a guildy offspeccing in keys, but the point remains!
Then he should know better
bright flax
someone said it here well, explosives are binary, you hit them you save the group
short kiln
bUt MuH pArSEs
distant crystal
he does now
i think this week might legit be his first time healing an explosive week in keys
mage main gone priest main
distant crystal
he is a shadow main, he swings heals in raids
and he knows the only way he gets in pug keys is healing lol
kinda sad really, shadow pumps
modern brook
Shadow 
distant crystal
but if you asked pugs they'd tell you there's like 5 dps specs that are capable of entering a key
modern brook
People just suck at shadow
As soon as they can't follow the script they're dog shit
bright flax
in all honesty, dont be toxic telling your healer to do something if you see he can't handle it or something. try to make up for it, end the run and move on
distant crystal
i mean, if the healer can't handle explosives they've got bigger problems
sw:p, frost shock, moonfire, uhh
idk what pallies and monks do
crusader strike? lol
bright flax
judgement has range
modern brook
Idt they burn judgement into explosives
P sure it's a key part of their healing in keys
modern brook
Fair
distant crystal
oh do the judge light or w/e
modern brook
It is a pug paladin
bright flax
its an HP generator
modern brook
Which is just ret with a shield
bright flax
so even using it on explosive should give the holy power
short kiln
I had an ele shaman complain about his dps cause he was having to frost shock explosives, and complained about it. So I stopped holding packs in his earthquakes. He asked why I'm moving them and I said cause I need to attend to explosives. Had no issues with the frost shocks after that.
modern brook
disc priests can get a lil tick of atonement when they kill em
I want to like disc so badly
But holy shit do I not get that class
novel vector
I had an ele shaman complain about his dps cause he was having to frost shock ex...
lmao
distant crystal
it's fun af to play
seems a lil weaker than usual in keys right now idk
every priest i find is holy it seems
modern brook
Disc has the kyrian thing now
Rhat makes them omega every 2 mins due to the leggo
Which is dope
distant crystal
yeah that was already the supposed BiS for keys
bright flax
I had an ele shaman complain about his dps cause he was having to frost shock ex...
nice!
distant crystal
now that SS is dumpstered it's the move in raid too
novel vector
disc can just global the bombs like ez
distant crystal
bigramp/littleramp repeat
short kiln
sometimes people just need a new perspective. 🙂
zenith vigil
disc is insane in raids
distant crystal
kyrian evang was always huge in raid
zenith vigil
I don't like them in keys with tanks that don't have self heal
distant crystal
it just wasn't as huge as venthyr spiritshell
median tulip
Disc Priest requires that you really really know the encounter. You basically have to set up to heal the big damage spikes before they happen.
median tulip
Whereas Holy is reactive
novel vector
for that reason, true
distant crystal
yeah when a disc really dials in the timings it's a beautiful thing
short kiln
Disc Priest to Holy is as PW to BDK
plush tendon
I tried reading up on how disc plays; what a dumb spec
distant crystal
first penance in evang ramp hits right after the raid dmg
and you watch the whole raid's HP tick upward 📈
novel vector
and you watch the whole raid's HP tick upward 📈
try that with mind games, its stonk
median tulip
A good Disc priest is a joy to behold. There are maybe 5 of them in the entire game.
zenith vigil
A good Disc priest is a joy to behold. There are **maybe** 5 of them in the enti...
both limit and echo ran them for WFR
novel vector
A good Disc priest is a joy to behold. There are **maybe** 5 of them in the enti...
they are a hard spec to play in raids ime
zenith vigil
they pumped insane
distant crystal
but with SS cd nerf it kinda has no place now
zenith vigil
that's 4 out of the 5 lul
novel vector
in m+ they are pretty fun
median tulip
that's 4 out of the 5 lul
I'm exagerating xD
novel vector
anyone tried tanking with dps legendaries in m+
distant crystal
disc is really good when underhealing a fight in a well coordinated group
novel vector
16~18 and above
distant crystal
if they're trying to yolo heal a pug raid they're gonna get sniped to hell
novel vector
if they're trying to yolo heal a pug raid they're gonna get sniped to hell
resto takes all them healz lol
been tanking 17 and above using phial and elysian might legendary and the dps increase is addictive
strong forum
i mean, are you sure elysian might is an addictive dps increase
novel vector
coming from nf a week ago, i think so
sanguine was not too fun to play with the spear tho
strong forum
cuz elysian might is only about 6% stronger than reprisal in terms of dmg on 5 targets
bright flax
with 0 defensive advantage
novel vector
ah even with mikanikos?
strong forum
yes
novel vector
felt like it was a significant boost, but then maybe i misunderstood
novel vector
with 0 defensive advantage
yeah reprisal is the best i agree
but for fun it was nice to try smth out new
bright flax
EM lover here, the big reason why I like it is I don't have to charge weave and still get close if not higher on burst damage. Will not really try it when timing a 17 as that's my ceiling
strong forum
like im certain i can pump over 7k dps in mists aswell with reprisal
i was noticing the lack of rage from not playing reprisal
big time
bright flax
over time reprisal is simply better
bright flax
i was noticing the lack of rage from not playing reprisal
you had bsc, you feel it less with bv
novel vector
whats bv
strong forum
booming voice
novel vector
oh
strong forum
it think its also because i accidentally ran ITF instead of Ravager
so i lost dmg there
but still, the rage you get from reprisal is just nutty
novel vector
nutty indeed
20 + shield + revenge
dont think any legendary give that much in a package every ability
bright flax
and its consistent, you have it everytime. start of pull, mid pull
novel vector
literally maintain shield block for the duration of the pull
its a stronk legendary, no doubt
novel vector
did you give it a test as well?>
strong forum
ya
novel vector
have to say reprisal is still the best choice too
strong forum
i still had 68% blocked hits and good damage
modern brook
Wait nom
novel vector
but it was fun
novel vector
spear then ravager u mean
modern brook
Yah it is fam
bright flax
Crit damage
novel vector
increases crit dmg
novel vector
lol
strong forum
OFC IT DOES
modern brook
And it lines up with spear
strong forum
DID YOU WATCH THE FUCKING KEY
modern brook
No I don't watch your xontent
strong forum
i was complaining the entire dungeon that i accidentally ran ITF
strong forum
because ITF is trash to play in keys
novel vector
interesting
strong forum
but its not big
novel vector
does it really make that much of a diff
strong forum
no
bright flax
Its big with bv
strong forum
ravager is just flatout more dmg than ITF
modern brook
Lmao
novel vector
convo with you guys are hilarious
modern brook
does it really make that much of a diff
Just play reprisal tbh
strong forum
i wouldve maybe done like 100-200 dps more with ravager
modern brook
But idk why you'd fuck with em if ur not running it with ravager
strong forum
cuz i wanted to test EM
zenith vigil
convo with you guys are hilarious
gotta wade through the shitposts to get the good nuggies of information
strong forum
but forgot i was in raid talents
zenith vigil
modern brook
Snot even testing it though lmao
novel vector
But idk why you'd fuck with em if ur not running it with ravager
yeah what the fuck was i thinking
strong forum
it is Bull
novel vector
next time its EM with ravager
modern brook
I guess
inland raft
Wait did i miss the 4 prot key?
modern brook
No nom just has a wrinkled brain
latent pier
Question since I have not tanked eye yet, is death link blockable, or do we just pop wall for it to reduce raid damage?
modern brook
I mean don't get me wrong I trust you
I'm just saying. 25% more crit amage in your cd windows is a lot
strong forum
Question since I have not tanked eye yet, is death link blockable, or do we just...
its not blockable
bright flax
Question since I have not tanked eye yet, is death link blockable, or do we just...
Dont be like me. SB is only useful for the humanoid add
strong forum
I'm just saying. 25% more crit amage in your cd windows is a lot
its 6% more damage than reprisal, so not all that massive
latent pier
So just pop wall and tank swap?
strong forum
i wouldve maybe done 7.4k instead of 7.2k with ravager
latent pier
does IP do anything there or
strong forum
but prolly not that much
latent pier
in terms of reducing how much damage the raid takes
modern brook
Iunno I'd still try it
modern brook
I'm still refusing to upgrade my leggos
bright flax
So just pop wall and tank swap?
Yes, use mitigation on deathlink and swap if you can or whatever u decide with ur tank
Dump on IP and revenge
Gear dumbs down deathlink over time
modern brook
Both cause fuxk torghast and they're still my highest ilvl peices
strong forum
like this was my highest dmg mists run in 9.0
ravager did 280 dps, EM with my say 27% crit would turn this into like ....
maybe 350? dps
maybe 400
bright flax
Same gear?
modern brook
Sure
strong forum
no i have 27% crit now, in this key i had 14
bright flax
Ye 350 is pushing it I guess
modern brook
But I think you're undervaluing the cadence of the damage
strong forum
can just sim it
modern brook
Holy shit my phones auttocorrext is an idiot
strong forum
simming 5 targets, 1minute ITF vs Rav with EM
lets see
gonna do a 40sec sim aswell
so i dont get 2 ravs
modern brook
ITF bout to get dumpsterrd
bright flax
I honestly think with the 20% from BV, the way you line it up makes it burst really high
Higher than reprisal? No
Simpler? Yes
bright flax
So if mobs are to live longer or you cant use the combo every pull, plus 0 defensive makes it already worse than reprisal
strong forum
well, you will ALWAYS use that combo
because its all around 40-45sec CD
but youll overload so fucking much with rage
BV + Rav + Spear is too much rage
so youre forced to pump it alot into IP not to overcap
strong forum
ITF bout to get dumpsterrd
1min sim
so thats just after the 2nd one ran out and a bit
40sec sim
wait why is it simming sockets
hol up
modern brook
Lmao
modern brook
so youre forced to pump it alot into IP not to overcap
Probably makes avatar line up too lmao
With am
bright flax
It does
modern brook
Meh
strong forum
but not to a degree that makes it drastic
i was still bummed to not run it
fuck ITF in m+
all my homies hate ITF in m+
modern brook
Fact
strong forum
bron just makes me sad man...
hes SO op on monk
but we cant have nice things
1min
40sec
BV/ITF/BSC/RAV 40sec
interesting tbh
2.4% increase to play BV with EM
on my high crit gear
bright flax
But you are right, the overload is brutal. So itf is welcome for simpler play. If you hate itf you will hate it tho
safe thistle
cause booming voice is a shit tons of rage on demand for the window of EM
jaunty aspen
hi would you take haste vers helmet from vault or a waitst crit vers +socket=? since domination gear is a thing pls need help deciding 🙂
safe thistle
the ilvl
jaunty aspen
both 252
safe thistle
you have what rn in helm and belt
jaunty aspen
236 haste mastery helmet and 233 haste mastery waist
pale gust
Is reprisal as good as the wall on sanctum?
strong forum
its better
jagged pier
better
jaunty aspen
ok thx how much worth is a domination socket in terms of ilevel=?
strong forum
all of it
jagged pier
id say maybe 252 beats out 213 lfr but even then its close
safe thistle
you cant have one on belt i think so take it ya
jaunty aspen
so a 239 helmet with domi socket is still better then a 252 non socket
strong forum
a 226 dom socket is better than 252 non
yes
by miles
a 213 is probably even better
jagged pier
at max gems
safe thistle
depend if your shard is not a dps one and is rank 1 i dunno
jagged pier
or probs rank 4
jaunty aspen
alright thx that helped me deciding havent raided much the season so far
safe thistle
blood link is crazy o.O
jaunty aspen
interesting lets see then how high i can come with keystone levels with domi gear equipped
strong forum
i mean pushing keys is more dependant on your group than your gear
safe thistle
its a mini corruption version off a system :/ should had just brought back set bonus
strong forum
but dom sockets will defo help you
just turn off dom sockets everywhere but in raid
done....
even the regular ones
safe thistle
then we gonna need 2 set :/
jaunty aspen
well to be fair i havent felt so demotivated to raid in 16 years since this fuckin thorghast raid
safe thistle
bah i was not that hardcore 😛
strong forum
SL is a time of trial yeah
lots of people quitting
lots of guilds disbanding
especially highend ones
jaunty aspen
our raid broke
strong forum
tons of 9/10 or 10/10 guilds have disbanded already
safe thistle
hype was there though the starting zone were amazing.... lack of content i guess
jaunty aspen
now we can even make it through nhc anymore i myself havent raid outside of guild raid
^cant
hollow sun
i honestly idk what they are trying to do. When everyone says that they don't like this new system why do you keep pushing it
jaunty aspen
hazzikostas even said himself thorghast is the shittiest contend they ever did, next action yeah lets bring a thorghast raid.....
safe thistle
thorgast idea was good
mighty valley
the raid doesn't play anything like torghast though?
safe thistle
its how they implemented it that sucked
zenith vigil
the raid doesn't play anything like torghast though?
counterpoint: the tarragrue
safe thistle
and anima power are not good on some class as other
zenith vigil
bold faced LIE
jaunty aspen
i dont talk bosses the ambiente turns me off massive
zenith vigil
strong forum
its literally just the aesthetic
mighty valley
damn, you got me
strong forum
and first boss
hollow sun
i actually don't mind the raid itself, its just that it remind thorgast too much
strong forum
and first boss is SUPPOSED to be a meme
safe thistle
first boss is free goodies
strong forum
Nathria got boring real quick
zenith vigil
can't remember this raid to save my life
jaunty aspen
nah nathria was better for my eyes
zenith vigil
shit all looks the same except fatescribe and painsmith
mighty valley
i am kinda tired of grey on grey on grey, nathria was more my taste visually
strong forum
Nathria is just red
safe thistle
dunno inerva was annoying red on red on red
jaunty aspen
tazavesh raid would been 10 times better
safe thistle
would be cool having 10 man brought back
hollow sun
nathria had better music and denatrius was just fun
jaunty aspen
not 10 man again rather 40
mighty valley
denathrius was a banger fight
no, never bring back 40 person raids
absolute misery to manage
safe thistle
we already ahve 20 man bring 10 man
jaunty aspen
thats true but still damn cool when it works
hollow sun
40 man mythic raid 🤡
obtuse monolith
If you want a 40 raid go do world boss 😬
strong forum
10man would be goat
strong forum
40man is just horror
blazing condor
10 man was comfy asf i miss it
safe thistle
or just make some fight where your guild gotta split up and do small content as 5 man through communication or w/e in a labyritnth shit
strong forum
The smaller the raid tye better
jaunty aspen
nah
strong forum
And also the more challenging you can make the raid cuz you don't have to find 20 dumbfucks of which 10 only do half the work and 5 actually play the game
jaunty aspen
imagine a small army fighting a raid boss
obtuse monolith
I did a 2/2/6 SoD pug and w good DPS it’s nutso. Phasing H Eye to adds before he even beams.
Just don’t carry weak DPS
safe thistle
theres always half the player carrying half the other in 20 man atm 😛
jaunty aspen
if you get it managed its cool
jaunty aspen
i agree that its hard
strong forum
20 people is already challenging enough
jaunty aspen
yeah
hollow sun
we had a dude last week saying brb water right after the 5m break
mighty valley
there's always ffxiv if you want fixed 8 player top-end
strong forum
I'm in the process of leveling
safe thistle
i tried ff cant stand the dialog
strong forum
But I wanna enjoy teh game because I already notice stuff that wow just doesn't offer
jaunty aspen
if you had 40 or say 80 ppl all good nobody slackin or laggin it would be cool as fuck
blazing condor
chest death?
strong forum
if you had 40 or say 80 ppl all good nobody slackin or laggin it would be cool a...
Sir you got a little too much role play in there
safe thistle
anyway wow became a horde games only too crazy theres just no alliance
jaunty aspen
hehe
mighty valley
it's great if you can reliably stand in the puddle
blazing condor
i have a 252 afe and can (if i get no loot) choose 252 decanter
strong forum
Decanter is damage
blazing condor
havent used decanter befo
strong forum
My 226 decanter does like 150-170 dps in m+
Or well did
So a 252 would prolly be around 200-220 dps I reckon
mighty valley
You'd def replace decanter with a top-tier dmg trinket
strong forum
Anime is a good trinket, so just pick that I guess
Decent uptime on good haste
Like 20-30% uptime on it
safe thistle
i woulsndt use AFE on fort weak
strong forum
Bro
The argument that you can run out of the puddle is just weak
It's still good dmg
And you have solid uptime on it even if you don't pay attention to its proc at all
safe thistle
i dont use it on the Eye boss cause i always run outside thinking its the boss circle 😛
hollow sun
what is AFE?
safe thistle
anima field emiter
hollow sun
ah, thanks
mighty valley
it definitely blends into a lot of sanctum visual effects, lol
but yeah there's not really any affix forcing you to move around for m+ this week
hollow sun
raging when you have the whole pack raging at the same time
strong forum
Shockwave + kill it
Be a man
BTW just as an FYI, when you're kiting / moving away from stuff, not a single trinket will do anything
;)
latent pier
running away is for monks
hollow sun
Slimy consumptive organ always works
strong forum
zenith vigil
Slimy consumptive organ always works <:yep:703420923625078804>
Imagine not having shard
zenith vigil
who needs shard when u have phial and sack
we all must take what the game provides
craggy harness
safe thistle
would you upgrade to rank 5 blood link before upgrading the other rune that aint part of the rune word
jagged pier
yes
safe thistle
thnx
distant crystal
if it's not going to delay you a week on r5, it can be worth to drop some embers on r2/r3 dmg off-shards
they're so cheap
pale gust
Is reprisal as good as the wall on sanctum?
Can anyone confirm please
brave plank
Can anyone confirm please
if you can effectively use charge on CD, yes it's amazing
some fights, it's hard to keep charge on CD though
what's nice about the wall is that you don't have to think about it
pale gust
Thanks man
distant crystal
It's always good to get a fourth opinion!
mystic warren
I was told on monday not to equip a mail chest to activate the blood set, I ignored that call. if I had windfury in my group this would've been rank 1
modern brook
Lmao
strong forum
pretty sure that wont work?
mystic warren
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XWG4zZ3JAPxDVB7t/#fight=last take a look for yourself
only downside is you lose the 5% str buff from all plate and obv the str on the piece itself
strong forum
thats wild
mystic warren
but it still outsims no blood 😦
ionic fern
modern brook
Boe innit?
mystic warren
well my entire guild had their pieces covered
so as soon as a piece dropped I shouted at them
and claimed it
modern brook
This is like next level stupid
sweet summit
it works as long as it doesnt activate an additional set bonus 👍
strong forum
its armor specific
modern brook
Yeeesh
strong forum
:^)
sweet summit
paypal me 5 dollars then
modern brook
Do u take venmo?
sweet summit
i do not
modern brook
Just missed out on the easiest 5 bucks of your life tbh
ancient monolith
I was told on monday not to equip a mail chest to activate the blood set, I igno...
on that top 100 breakdown, is it surprising to not see aegis trinket there?
strong forum
parses are for dmg
modern brook
on that top 100 breakdown, is it surprising to not see aegis trinket there?
Not really
strong forum
aegis doesnt do dmg
mystic warren
and how did the other bosses go?
rank 5 on guardian, chest didn't drop 🤦
others all below 40, who needs plate armor right...
jagged pier
i love how u left your PIs off the screenshot
mystic warren
I don't wanna hear about those
the priest is giving me pity PI because I have to wear a mail piece
I could upgrade my unholy shards to rank 4 and go back to full plate but it actually sims less...
jagged pier
PI is PI u get that during execute that ez top 10 pretty much
pastel sleet
i equipped a mail Twilight dev piece in bfa s4 before vendor. got laughed at. shit put in work
cinder nova
PI is PI u get that during execute that ez top 10 pretty much
Just got my priests to start hitting me with PI in execute for the extra damage.
I usually have a STR pot and LS going into execute phase so I can pool rage at the last %, throw up LS and execute until I sputter out
I had to show the boomkin in our raid who was emphatic that it's never worth it to PI a tank th at I do more damage than all the DPS by a pretty wide clip in Execute phase without PI.
zenith vigil
dear lord how shit are your dps
tropic gorge
Lol
Yeah I think I'd delete my mage if a prot war shot over me because of execute spam
I've tried the execute spam (I didn't think to use ls before, that's a great idea). I'm not really impressed with the numbers I get
I'm o ly ilvl 229 tho
mighty valley
tropic gorge
For me at least shield slam seems to push bigger dmg
mighty valley
when condemn crits for 20k, that's living
cinder nova
I think you guys may be misunderstanding what we're saying.
If you parse the DPS from literally 20% and below warriors are almost always going to dominate.
We're not talking the entire fight, but literally if you started metering at 20% to 0%
Warriors are huge.
Which is why you wanna PI them if your raid's warriors are on top during execute phase (they should be, mostly).
Even prot can top if they're sweaty enough
jagged pier
THIS BOSS WONT GIVE ME THE FUCKING SHIELD !!!!!!
cinder nova
Spend that rage before you cap bro
jagged pier
literally a full clear of hc and tarra i didnt get a single loot drop
cinder nova
Just get better at RNG ez 👏
jagged pier
got 15 th on slyvannas though one first kill while running around doing arrows
so can def get top 10 next week
cinder nova
When are you AAing?
jagged pier
im not
jagged pier
rep
cinder nova
Really? Are you NF?
blazing condor
Man i hate that raid items are so important this tier
Didnt have this problem last tier cus only progged mythic bosses
Gotta wait til reclear before i can pick out my vault
In case i get the same drop
zenith vigil
oh man
apparently leveling to 60 from 50 thru pvp sucks ass
that's a god damn shame
subtle tulip
gottem 😄
blazing condor
Dont tell Jakey
craggy pilot
what to take? Decanter, shoulder for frost bonus? or chest for blood bonus (still missing 1 blood shard)
blazing condor
Clear raid first if you can
Then take blood chest if you aint get it since you gonna need it anyway unless you got another item that gives the set bonus
subtle tulip
Dont tell Jakey
k its our secret, he wont hear from me 🙂
craggy pilot
Clear raid first if you can
you mean the HC raid?
im only like 7/10 currently, and that was with a lucky pug i guess
usually only get 5/10
blazing condor
Idk it sucks go pick a piece then have it drop
craggy pilot
tru
blazing condor
Literally a wasted vault
craggy pilot
have 213 blood set chest alrdy
from LFR
thinking i will clear normal tomorrow, and some HC
craggy pilot
what would you pick if i got blood chest from raid then? The decanter?
ye i guess Decanter is instead of Phial fx
Decanter + a def trinket
but i do mostly M+, so set bonus doesnt rly matter, unless when im doing raid as Arms...
Blood set is 5% dps increase in Arms 
blazing condor
Big
craggy pilot
which one wins?
strong forum
socket
craggy pilot
ty @strong forum ❤️
@strong forum would you say a 252 Decanter of Anima is good in Prot M+?
strong forum
its aight
not the best not terrible
generally the dom piece is better
long term
craggy pilot
ye for the vault u mean, but i do mostly M+
so not sure if the set piece is worth
currently using 223 Phial and 220 Heraldry
inland raft
The gems themselves are generally worth
strong forum
up to you, a 252 decanter will do like 200-250 dps in m+
my 226 decanter did like 150-170
craggy pilot
ye ok
strong forum
so its worse than phial
craggy pilot
252 Phial will do like 400?
inland raft
At the very least the 3 damage ones, the absorb shield one does big work too and the +health and healing gems are pretty strong
strong forum
na a 252 phial will be like 300-350
craggy pilot
matrix rly?
strong forum
250-300 dps and hps
strong forum
heroic i think
craggy pilot
ye ok
lusty ember
Guh I passed on one of those last week like a fool
craggy pilot
thing is ill have to compare 252 with 239 raid items 😄
so is a 226 Ocular Gland any good?
better than 223 phial/220 heraldry maybe?
strong forum
is aight, but you can just sim it
craggy pilot
yea
guess ill do Phial + Ocular for now
and pick the dom socket piece
ty ❤️
Korayn still BIS for Prot M+?
craggy pilot
nice ok 🙂
zenith vigil
I do love the ton of extra HP from niya tho