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wild hemlock
tiny blade
If you swap covenant now, do you need to re-do the sanctum of domination campaign quests or only the convenat ones?
chilly brook
AA is actually kinda poopy damage in comparison
jagged pier
i dunno that guy posted 7.9k earlier with it
cinder nova
If you aren't getting the full duration or at least most of it, it's kinda meh
zenith vigil
if it doesn't do equal/more damage
then why does icy-veins say it does
is mwahi a liar?
zenith vigil
cinder nova
It's not worth using it if shit is dying before it can actually get into relevant action.
zenith vigil
wtf its illegal for mwahi to be wrong
cinder nova
Where you're getting most if not all of the duration yeah
zenith vigil
reported to the authorities
ionic fern
It's one of the better DPS Legendaries IF you can keep the enemies in it - it's also the issue with AA as a base ability.
If the packs die in 10 seconds then it's kinda meh.
zenith vigil
well, it's fort week
cinder nova
NF is actually pretty good for bosses though.
No bullshit it smacks on ST
Because you can pretty much always get the full value
chilly brook
what about with Nf legggo though
NF lego is significantly more prone to losing damage than EM
cinder nova
Also I noticed it doesn't always tick "right" so to speak.
Like I've had mobs in it from start to finish and they only get 5 stacks.
Or 4.
It's kinda scuffed tbh
Even within the enemy cap
Happens with bosses too, sometimes.
zenith vigil
what happens to anima if you switch covs?
jagged pier
it stays in the other cov
zenith vigil
jagged pier
it doesnt matter
patent osprey
AA is actually kinda poopy damage in comparison
AA was never for the damage
cinder nova
I mean, yeah it can interrupt
zenith vigil
it was about owning the fuck out of casters
cinder nova
But damage times keys
patent osprey
so does not dying to casters :)
plush tendon
AA bout the knockdown ๐
cinder nova
Except you can still not die to casters without AA
Because a lot of not-warriors do it all the time.
limpid kite
Not dying times keys too
patent osprey
True u can also do more dam without spear ;)
cause alot of non warriors do it all the time
plush tendon
stay strong team 
we can hold out
cinder nova
The idea that you take AA for lockdown is flat-out copium if you're trying to justify using NF leggo in high keys.
chilly brook
AA was never for the damage
I mean it kinda was, but I 100% agree the CC value is way better
patent osprey
not NC leggo just the ability
hollow sun
i noticed that a many times the knockback of AA is even worse for interrupts because people try to interrupt, then the mobs gets knocked, the interrupt goes to waste and the burden of knowledge goes off
zenith vigil
doesn't niya also give you pretty substantial buffs to your max health?
patent osprey
The idea that you take AA for lockdown is flat-out copium if you're trying to ju...
what? ur mad. AA for lockdown is absolute bis
cinder nova
Yeah but you absolutely do not need it to time keys.
chilly brook
The idea that you take AA for lockdown is flat-out copium if you're trying to ju...
Its not the knockdown is huge
patent osprey
yeah but that argument is the same for not needing spear to time keys lol
plush tendon
Yeah but you absolutely do not need it to time keys.
I mean, you use what tools you have at your disposal
zenith vigil
i noticed that a many times the knockback of AA is even worse for interrupts bec...
playing in pugs
patent osprey
it's just preference
plush tendon
AA great tool
limpid kite
I am using the moth in NF does the korayn better?
cinder nova
It's harder to get value from AA than it is from spear in M+.
chilly brook
I'd honestly take Plkas opinion on AA over yours
patent osprey
It's harder to get value from AA than it is from spear in M+.
then ur not using it right
sturdy sable
Just stand still
chilly brook
Hate to do an appeal to authority but hes also the highest prot boi in keys
Well maybe not the highest
But up there
chilly brook
Front page
patent osprey
but AA is amazing
cinder nova
It's not rocket science that anything that requires you to stand in one spot as opposed to getting value irrespective of position is going to quantifiably be harder to get value out of.
zenith vigil
Well maybe not the highest
nope, highest
chilly brook
It's hard to keep up anymore
plush tendon
I am interested in what the dps difference between Kyrian and NF is now
chilly brook
But legit its not that difficult to keep things in AA if you're the tank
zenith vigil
hard to keep up?
chilly brook
Because you're the tank
cinder nova
It's not, but your probability of lost value is way higher in AA than SoB
chilly brook
hard to keep up?
With score and who's where
brittle owl
idk bout way higher
patent osprey
It's not rocket science that anything that requires you to stand in one spot as ...
if AA even stop 1 set of casts, its so giga in m+
chilly brook
hard to type "raider.io" into your browser and navigate to the tanks section?
Actually yes because raider.io mobile site is garbage
brittle owl
like sure, it's true objectively, but the delta in ease of use is small
chilly brook
And I'm at work
zenith vigil
ah
strong forum
BDK will eventually fall off i think
zenith vigil
like sure, it's true objectively, but the delta in ease of use is small
tldr; gamers only AA
regular normies spear
strong forum
its 1 loose cannon
zenith vigil
got it
chilly brook
Tldr it doesnt matter and you pick whichever one you find more value in
brittle owl
weird hill to die on honestly
chilly brook
Playing around either isn't particularly hard
strong forum
but once they get into 27s i think they will struggle a bit more, but good to see they can live up
near pewter
Depends on group comp?
zenith vigil
what I'm wondering is, is that DK doing something wildly different than other ones?
strong forum
he has a good group
chilly brook
In s1 I found AA absolutely invaluable because of the knockdown
brittle owl
@strong forum i'd be more concerned that they wouldn't have the damage at a certain keylevel
plush tendon
I watched some of his keys
brittle owl
like, groupwise
strong forum
ye
chilly brook
In s2 I find it less valuable because my group actually kicks
cinder nova
idk, if spear does more damage than NF as we gear up it's going to be better to be Kyrian if your group isn't so smoothbrain that they can't coordinate AOE CC or kicks to keep you from getting annihilated by casts. The only time I'd agree that AA will be objectively better is when you're to the point where you legit need the extra AOE CC because otherwise things become fatal.
plush tendon
they are clean
cinder nova
Which is not the vast majority of keys.
strong forum
like, what makes individual tanks stand out on their classes is just the fact that they have an able group
cinder nova
Or in dungeons where the extra casts getting off aren't instantly fatal, but strain.
chilly brook
idk, if spear does more damage than NF as we gear up it's going to be better to ...
I mean AA stops casts that you cant even interrupt
strong forum
which gets overlooked ALOT
brittle owl
i mean, focusing control on fewer players means larger margin of error 
brittle owl
more stops never bad
strong forum
Dorki and Andy were the perfect examples
cinder nova
I mean, you could say the same about cheat deaths and just turtle with Heart for the rest of your life
But it's going to be better to not bank on shitty play
strong forum
Dorki was always top 10 or top 3 even, as the only guardian druid
strong forum
Andy hit top 3 tanks with relative ease
brittle owl
cheat deaths are crutches change my mind
cinder nova
They aren't. They're actually useful if you're hitting keys that are basically your numbers vs. their numbers.
And a death via tank can't be avoided
Or that letting your trinket proc saves an external
patent osprey
i dont think imma be able to change minds, but AA is pog.
strong forum
nobody is disagreeing on that wtf
patent osprey
Im still going kyrian in 2 weeks cause fk SD bleeds
strong forum
patent osprey
that is all
cinder nova
There's a lot of reasons to pack a cheat death, but almost never will you need one at or below 20
patent osprey
๐
cinder nova
SD bleeds are toxic
ionic fern
Why would anyone disagree that AA isn't good? ๐
plush tendon
Im still going kyrian in 2 weeks cause fk SD bleeds
I feel betrayed and I dont know why
zenith vigil
me too man. me too
patent osprey
blame blizzard :/
cinder nova
Nobody is disagreeing that AA isn't good, we're debating it's relative value vs spear since it has a higher probability of lost value due to you having to stick shit in it and there will be times you may be forced to move.
cinder nova
Hell I'm NF
plush tendon
shhh, the NF bois are losing their shining beacon
cinder nova
I don't think so, tbh. Lots of tanks can time keys without the NF kick so the idea that it's BIS because of that kinda feels faulty.
strong forum
Opinions are illegal on the internet
ionic fern
Nobody is disagreeing that AA isn't good, we're debating it's relative value vs ...
So..theoretically - yes. AA is "harder" to execute.
But practically when having played NF for quite a while - it's NOT hard to keep enemies inside AA.
strong forum
clearly
zenith vigil
like i said
cinder nova
Honestly I will say that Soul Shape is gonna be weird to get used to not having
patent osprey
I dont think lots of tanks can time keys without NF kick is an arguement at all
cinder nova
The extra mobility will be big sad to lose
patent osprey
u can say that about anyhting
zenith vigil
patent osprey
just cause people don't have it, doesn't mean they didn't wish they could have it
ionic fern
There's no argument that locking down a big caster pack in HoA/SoA for example with AA isn't big. ๐
It's like having a AoE silence like the VDH one.
cinder nova
It's not about wishing whether they could have it, it's whether or not it's necessary.
strong forum
bogged state
zenith vigil
war machine
plush tendon
This will be the build, no Cov, no lego
strong forum
play punish for 20% more clunky
plush tendon
the challenge is out... now time to find the time to start this XD
brittle owl
honestly
no talents
or no balls
that would be fucking impressive
getting ksm with no talents
plush tendon
naw, we have to use sub optimal talents
chilly brook
If I could swap covenant abilities per dungeon I would definitely want AA>Spear in HoA
plush tendon
The reason is to prove you dont need to be X cov or have X lego to do content and that the majority of your gameplay is based upon what the player does
and since talents are open to everyone, makes no sense to not use it; better to use sub optimal to show it can be done
strong forum
getting ksm with no talents
there was a plan for a few people to level without a spec
without a covenant and without a legendary to level up and do m+
brittle owl
afaik that's been done already
plush tendon
If I could swap covenant abilities per dungeon I would definitely want AA>Spear ...
The only reason I would ever take spear over AA is if the damage is just miles ahead of it
strong forum
yes
chilly brook
The only reason I would ever take spear over AA is if the damage is just miles a...
It kinda is
strong forum
with TheSteve and such
plush tendon
It kinda is
by how much?
chilly brook
A significant margin at least if you're just talking spear damage
chilly brook
I mean it should be a decent gain
strong forum
"yeah if we dont factor anything in and compare 2 spells where 1 takes a soulbind and legendary into account and the other doesnt"
chilly brook
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
strong forum
spear without mikan and legendary is much less dps than AA
chilly brook
But we have mikan
strong forum
yes and they have korayn
Mikan alone makes spear be roughly equal to AA
Elysian might makes it do more because it literally doubles spears damage
or well, maybe 70% more
because it doubles spears duration
now if you put in Natures Fury in to the mix , AA does more damage again
literally a pointless discussion
strong forum
not on 90s sim
zenith vigil
Ah good point
strong forum
:^)
brittle owl
a 1.5 min encounter, obviously
plush tendon
yea, as long as they are close im happy as NF ๐
also, we are running out of NF in my M+ team sooo
Im filling a dungeon buff now
๐
zenith vigil
yea, as long as they are close im happy as NF ๐
Imagine having to drink a potion to be cool. Soulshape gang rise up
plush tendon
Imagine having to drink a potion to be cool. Soulshape gang rise up
whats your animal?
strong forum
need dem roids
zenith vigil
I'm a spider
plush tendon
I dont like spiders
lavish oracle
I feel like I have enough mobility as warrior
plush tendon
too many legs
cinder nova
Turtle or bust
zenith vigil
What truly is "enough" mobility
I submit that no amount of mobility is truly ever enough
lavish oracle
Maybe with a bit more I could do some bosses that would be hard with oros up
But also, phial, tho
hollow sun
@strong forum listens to soilwork, poggers
strong forum
zenith vigil
I'm genuinely curious why in m+ necrolord banner leggo isn't stronger
wouldn't it scale along with your dps?
plush tendon
Imagine if Condemn was a ST nuke execute rather then a replacement for Execute
zenith vigil
the people you're running with, not your own dps I mean
plush tendon
like a longer CD that just murdered something outright
ionic fern
I'm genuinely curious why in m+ necrolord banner leggo isn't stronger
Because Reprisal exists.
plush tendon
would be pretty cool
ionic fern
You lose SB up-time and a big chunk of your damage when you run Glory.
You would be forced into Bolster then.
chilly brook
Imagine if Condemn was a ST nuke execute rather then a replacement for Execute
Honestly the problem isn't that it replaces execute
The problem is that it has no way to be valuable to you in anything other than a boss situation
plush tendon
Does anyone know the rules for Mythic Lockouts and people who are transferring? I have a couple of new people joining my raid group from different servers and Im under the impression they cant mythic raid till next reset
strong forum
uuuh
plush tendon
everything is so unclear -_-
strong forum
if they have already a lockout
then they obv cant join your current
but if theyre in the guild after they transferred they can join the raid after 24hrs
pretty sure
wild hemlock
idk but i switched on a wednesday and couldnt raid thursday
strong forum
like the mythic lockout "not cross server" rule isnt a 100% exception
wild hemlock
even though it was same lockout
strong forum
yes
wild hemlock
back in 9.0
strong forum
theres a 24hr our period
after transfering server where you cant enter raids
oh you mean couldnt
hmm
wild hemlock
yeah i couldnt raid thursday
strong forum
maybe it wasnt a full 24hrs yet
wild hemlock
idk the rules at all lol
but it was after cross server was opened and i was in the same raid on tuesday
yeah probs not 24 hrs or something
plush tendon
they are super unclear
strong forum
cuz you can join cross server mythic even before its opened
aslong as 85% or more of the raid / lockout are from the same guild
plush tendon
this is what I found
wild hemlock
wut
plush tendon
cant continue mythic raid started prior to transfer
wild hemlock
aslong as 85% or more of the raid / lockout are from the same guild
thats insane
i was replying to earlier statement sorry
chilly brook
even though it was same lockout
If you have a lockout even if it's the same one and you xfer you cant join the raid that week at all
wild hemlock
If you have a lockout even if it's the same one and you xfer you cant join the r...
yeah guild learned that the hardway
strong forum
if you have a pre-existing lockout ofc thats how it works
if you dont have one, you should be able to join proper 24hrs after you switched
and yeah im fairly certain the mythic lockout rule works with the 85% rule
tranquil leaf
huge 252 scale today in the vault
strong forum
how else would people boost mythic raids before cross server is enabled ykno
next plaza
Ok, I have 5 dom sockets. If you have a heroic dom piece and a 252 comparable piece, is it worth losing the socket to swap?
strong forum
no
next plaza
Is there ever an ilvl difference that would make it worth it?
strong forum
dom sockets are easily worth 20ilvl
maybe more
probably more
226 dom sockets are 100% worth it even in m+, LFR might also be worth it
inland raft
M+ guessing 3 dps shards accretion and then either leech or the healing recieved and bonus health one?
safe thistle
i wouldnt use leech one outside place that would make the runeword work
jagged pier
3 dps unholy siphon, and kyr ir healing one imo
flat coral
Should I grab a 239 Annhylde's Aegis (w/ 49 avoidance) or a 252 crit/mastery cloak? Been using a 242 scale and 233 codex of the first technique, and a 236 mastery/vers cloak. I have no plans to ever do mythic raiding. Just swapped to warrior this season from BDK last season, so don't have many decent trinket options yet unfortunately.
Also had a couple normally great options in a 252 chest (haste/crit) and wrist (haste/vers), but the existence of domination shards make those not as appealing long term options, even if the ilvl would be a significant upgrade right now (26 and 19, respectively).
oblique garnet
and yeah im fairly certain the mythic lockout rule works with the 85% rule
What? No
flat coral
Heard Aegis is really good, just haven't actually seen anyone use it so hard to get an idea just how good it is.
strong forum
Heard Aegis is really good, just haven't actually seen anyone use it so hard to ...
aegis owns
oblique garnet
You need to be on the same realm on mythic and people selling mythic boosts are only selling on that specific server
strong forum
ic
strong forum
Heard Aegis is really good, just haven't actually seen anyone use it so hard to ...
aegis is INSANELY powerful vs alot of attacks, so in m+ it gains huge value
because it can literally mitigate over 250k dmg in a single use if you pull enough mobs
and it works against dots and everything, so the uncapped nature of it is very powerful
aegis + SB up makes you straight up immune to melee dmg for example
it also doesnt get reduced by necrotic, so you can cosplay a guardian druid with it
flat coral
Yeah, I was initially confused why people were saying it was good at first until I read that the second part says if it absorbs at LEAST as much as 22k. My initial reading of the effect was it absorbed up to that much, which sounded pitiful.
flat coral
it also doesnt get reduced by necrotic, so you can cosplay a guardian druid with...
๐
strong forum
alot of people only read it once
and think its an absorb
cuz they have the reading comprehension of a 3rd grader
modern brook
cuz they have the reading comprehension of a 3rd grader
I don't have compressed reading :(
strong forum
i dont do compass reaching too
modern brook
Imagine corncob reaping in 2021
strong forum
Yeah I don't do complementary rectangles either
distant crystal
i mean you'd be right to assume it hits the cap goes away/pops the dmg
that's how blizz makes trinkets typically
aegis is just special
strong forum
Spacial
distant crystal
Spatial?
strong forum
Speshul
onyx violet
in german we call it speschal
strong forum
Schpeschell*
loud crow
I'm struggling to decide what to take from vault, could anyone offer some advice?
strong forum
Aegis
loud crow
Aegis is heroic.
chilly brook
But ye aegis is really good
loud crow
But yeah
chilly brook
No your OWS is normal
loud crow
Oh, yeah, haven't prog'd Sylvanas on heroic yet
strong forum
That heroic aegis is only gonna get replaced by a mythic aegis
chilly brook
^
loud crow
I'm struggling because I have a 252 scale
strong forum
Depends on what you wanna do then
For m+ fun, aegis is defo the pick
For dps and raid ows is better
Although aegis is huge on sylvanas
latent pier
would lfr aegis be worth trying for ?
strong forum
Yes
strong forum
Lfr aegis can beat 252 scale in m+ if you pull big enough
chilly brook
It's basically an extra charge of block that happens to do damage
strong forum
Only need to block 20 attacks in those 8 seconds
To beat a 252 scale
~20
Cuz a 252 scale is like 80-90k absorb
And lfr aegis does 4k per attack
loud crow
Man this isn't easy lol
strong forum
Aegis destroys m+, but scale is still incredibly strong
I myself would pick aegis in a heartbeat, just so I can be done with it
So you won't have to worry about getting it ever again, because the HC one is already nuts for m+
Ows is just very very good haste for dmg
loud crow
Yeah, I hear you.
loud crow
Alright, Aegis it is. I appreciate the help, fellas.
loud crow
Aegis?
strong forum
Yup
It's a damage reduction, not an absorb :^)
Imagine if SB worked against everything, that's aegis
fringe marten
NNNNOooooooo
252 shield from tarragrue with speed...or 239 Cheat death trinket from Fate scribe WITH leech.
WHY U DO DIS TO ME?
I have to take shield..it's too good..
fringe marten
yeah that trinket isn't near as good as my heart of alar
fringe marten
BUT ..it's a cool cheat trinky toy.. and I have a 246 shield of course... but yeah; I HAVE to take shield.
strong forum
Only useful in raid
fringe marten
It's BiS shield, WITH speed.
But WHY? I get either DOGWATER vault, or amazing choices where I'm legit 'losing' something good. (and gaining something good)
last week or 2..trash vaults.
fringe marten
And I kill mythic tarragrue weekly, and TWO people in raid could trade me 252 shields. like? EHHHHhhh
Yeah the fate scribe trinket is a neat tool for VERY SPECIFIC situations. and one of those situations was nerfed (mythic KT)
But the shield is sadly just a very small gain =\ But still BiS+speed.
chilly brook
isn't the fate trinket kinda dookie anyway
No actually
short apex
helped my guild get a prog kill so im rocking it in prog for now
mighty valley
Taking the BIS shield now means you can loot as dps for phial forevermore
obtuse monolith
New LFR wing was fun. Guardian was still at 30% after the last pillar. I actually started to take damage a little once he started spamming purging protocol.
No one kills add on fatescribe so you kite it forever.
KT half the raid died in last add phase, and then someone lusted. Once adds were dead though there were literally no more mechanics, just limp to the end w my bloodlink alone being enough to keep other tank topped up.
But all that and no 220 helm ๐ฆ
chilly brook
But the shield is sadly just a very small gain =\ But still BiS+speed.
Since when is a shield a small gain
craggy pilot
which one?
vivid forge
New LFR wing was fun. Guardian was still at 30% after the last pillar. I actuall...
I managed to solo heal soul render in lfr because all the other healers died to the ground, whole chat was praising me
median tulip
which one?
I'd keep the Haste (& upgrade it with Valour)
craggy pilot
hmm, why upgrade a sub par shoulder with Valor?
is there no Haste Vers shoulder from M+?
vivid forge
I'd keep the Haste (& upgrade it with Valour)
i was thinking that too, but im not an expert
craggy pilot
oh Unyielding is BIS lol
median tulip
is there no Haste Vers shoulder from M+?
No, there is no Haste/Vers shoulder from current M+.
obtuse monolith
If Dom gear was real Iโd say just wait for Soulrender or Sylvanas shoulders
craggy pilot
and which one here?
median tulip
I think there might be one from Tazavesh, but that won't get high enough iLvl to matter this season
craggy pilot
im using Phial 223 also
amber herald
ilvl on those pieces
vivid forge
sylvanas drops shoulders? edit: im in the wrong discord lol
lunar jackal
waht soulbind are kyrians taking for prog? I just swapped to kyr and at renown 48
craggy pilot
what would you pick here?
lunar jackal
Research. I'd take research
obtuse monolith
For a purely offensive set Crit Vers is better than Mast Crit, and you can buy a BoE 230 H/V w socket soโฆ
latent pier
what ilvl? ._.
tropic gorge
me? 229
tropic gorge
i just did a 13 HOA and got shit on lol
oblique garnet
Is it raging fort?
steel bane
Best served cold or booming voice for raid?
lunar jackal
BV
steel bane
yea thats what I was thinkin
mighty valley
we've had a few super cleave weeks, now dps gotta adjust to bursting past through last 30%
clear sapphire
when did 1h wpn ilvl count towrds 2h ilvl for being able to trade?
latent pier
they changed that?
Because I couldn't trade a staff to a friend even though I'm rocking a mythic dagger on my lock.
fading dirge
Does DS and SR stack for a deathlink on the eye for damage reduction?
cinder nova
Yes and no.
Also SR doesn't do antyhing for Deathlink.
It's physical.
Not magic.
But DR stacks with diminishing returns.
modern brook
just watched a prot warrior fighting a stone prison
he popped sheild wall and ip
y do r class sux?
safe thistle
heya guys for m+ and raid which enchant youll take for cloak normally i take the 30 stam
wonder if 20+leech is worth it
carmine oracle
Thoughts on soul cage fragment at 233 ilvl vs Decanter of Anima charged winds at 216? Seems like I should stick with straight strength...
night pebble
246 scale, 252 phial, 239 aegis, which 2?
nvm I did not realize aegis was bout that apparently
carmine rain
is old warrior soul a good tanking tirnket?
ocean yoke
yes
lavish oracle
heya guys for m+ and raid which enchant youll take for cloak normally i take the...
Generally speaking, I'd go leech because it has more value in M+ and more consistent value in raid
Avoidance is great in some fights but sometimes a lot of the damage in a fight can come from unavoidable sources like if they're sourced from 'Environment'
latent pier
I thought you guys said the trash hit hard this week
lavish oracle
When you pull a bunch and get it all to rage simultaneously it can hurt
Usually I forget it's raging until I almost die to something that chunks me out of the blue
Like a raging wicked bolt
latent pier
that trait where you stand still and it beefs you up seems insane.
lavish oracle
The anima one?
lavish oracle
Oh, eh, stygian kings barbs is a big chunk of my damage usually, the other one is annoying to play around and we're already basically immune to phys
latent pier
yeah, still learning. people seem happy with me though so that's great.
lunar jackal
what do you call undergeared?
latent pier
230 at this stage of the season?
lunar jackal
thats not undergeared at all for a 15
sure undergeared at this stage of season but not for a 15
latent pier
Yeah? I was just mentioning it since someone at 229 was talking about getting smacked in a 15 earlier.
I actually really like prot war.
Is scale worth upgrading or am I basically trashing it the minute I get my hands on a heroic aegis?
lavish oracle
I feel like scale is probably worth holding on to but I'd save your valor
latent pier
It's at 239 currently
lavish oracle
Oh, yeah, you're fine
latent pier
Shield should be maxed out ASAP, yeah? I still need 300 score to get my shield capped.
latent pier
Really, weapon?
lavish oracle
It impacts your damage a lot
ocean yoke
pumping is life
latent pier
right.
inland raft
And damage is threat
lavish oracle
Well, damage is speed, and that's the name of the game in keys
lavish oracle
Yeah, for sure
inland raft
You do more damage key goes faster you do more damage dps do more damage cuz dont rip threat its a positive feesback loop
latent pier
I underestimated prot damage, it actually kinda slaps.
That mouseover charge/intervene macro is awesome.
lavish oracle
It's very good in AoE
latent pier
reflecting an enraged wrack soul and just watching the mob melt
fringe marten
Someone in raid tonight was able to give me the heroic Fatescribe cheat trinket...so basically I got 'both' good options from my vault this week LOL. Will the fatescribe trink proc on the mythic painsmith spikeballs, or do they overkill toomuch?
stray hemlock
Does anyone have an anima field emitter trinket? Was curious how often it procs? Only did a single 15 last week so had no loot choice.
It looks good based on dungeonslice in herodamage
fringe marten
Mata I have a 236, it's buff uptime/proc rate is very high.
The problem is, the same as it's always been...you have to be stationary and that doesn't always cooperate; combined with us simply having 'better' trinket options now. (like tonight I just got a mythic Eye trinket, so basically almost perma 130 haste)
We also have Old warrior soul now; which is just better.
stray hemlock
Cool! I'll have to make or find a wa to make some noise when it procs
fringe marten
You shouldn't need one; there's a white aura on the ground.
stray hemlock
I wish I had old warrior. Even the 233 one
fringe marten
Yeah; having the ability to have better trinkets doesn't mean we 'have' them..so I understand that. Like always..use the best stuff ya' got, try and farm better stuff~
stray hemlock
Yah for sure. It'll be awhile for h sylv for my pug life
fringe marten
But if you're going to 'focus' on dungeon trinkets you can 'grind' for..it would be Bloodsoaked Scale and ? Phial of Putrefaction? And do NOT underestimate the 230 alchemy trinket..if you just can't find anything solid; it's not bad at all honestly.
stray hemlock
I've gotten semi lucky on trinkets. Spare meat hook and anima field.
I have tried to farm for phial but never got one farming on my rogue so doubt ill get one on warrior
Aegis from sod would be nice
fringe marten
But if you're going to POUR time into farming a trinket, it's gotta' be something that has value for the whole tier..and anima field emitter is just outclassed by other things.
So it's 'worth' farming scale/phial.
But don't understimate the tazavesh trinkets.
stray hemlock
Which?
fringe marten
HM Tazavesh isn't that tough, and both trinkets from there are VERY good; the ticking sack does WAY more damage than my phial (granted my phial is still 236..not putting valor into it yet)
But it's a large discrepancy in damage..as in; if Ticking sack could go above 233 it would absolutely dump on everything else for single target...and does already @233 most of the time.
stray hemlock
Interesting
fringe marten
On..? I think it was our mythic remnant fight tonight? I was using ticking sack/236 phial...phial was like 5% of my damage, ticking sack was 9%
stray hemlock
Would be easier to farm too
fringe marten
(I think it was remnant? could have been one of the heroic bosses? I dun remember)
Ticking sack averages 7 to 9% of my damage on quick'ish fights..7% on longer fights. Phial is always 4.5% to 5%
Someone who knows how to 'sim' better than I do would have to tell me the delta between the mastery on sack vs str on normalized trinkets.
stray hemlock
Wouldn't that be a stat weight sim difference between str and mastery?
fringe marten
But simply put; if you got the 2 trinkets from HM Taz on a prot warrior; you are honestly in pretty good shape trinket wise..literally if you never got anything else you'd be doing ok. And at THIS point you can kinda' stack groups of people who can trade/already have those.
stray hemlock
Very true
fringe marten
You only have 1 shot per week at those; but if you got a group of a few people willing to trade it off..you'd have that many times more chances at it vs trying to grind through 15's of plaguefall and dos..because if people get those trinkets in pugs 90% of the time they aren't trading them.
tame jasper
May your vault be blessed with the power of Skyhold! (and for our US guys: I hope it was blessed!)
worthy karma
Iโ got the reactive defense matrix and that has been pumping for me in keys 16-17 recently
ocean yoke
that trinket is nuts, it has great dps and hps
tame jasper
My wishes for this ID: Getting a shield from vault an aegis in lfr/nhc or hc this week -_-
ionic fern
Does anyone have a mikanikos tree for keys?
If you don't want AUto Phial then:
shadow jolt
checked top warriors on r.io, everyone seems to be divided on best served cold and booming voice for dungeons.. what do u guys think is the go to?
sweet summit
best served cold
zenith vigil
One is multi target one is single target @shadow jolt
shadow jolt
yeah i figured most people were using booming voice last week cause tyrannical
sweet summit
they might also just be logged out in raid talents
zenith vigil
for example most players should take anger management but top Rio takes heavy repercussions
shadow jolt
nah, was checking recent keys, not just what they logged out in
zenith vigil
for reasons only relevant to insanely high keys
flat pewter
thoughts? currently running 236 shield; 236 shoulders; and 239 belt (same as in vault but w/ socket; but I'm able to add one if needed)
unique shale
thoughts? currently running 236 shield; 236 shoulders; and 239 belt (same as in ...
shield
sweet summit
thoughts? currently running 236 shield; 236 shoulders; and 239 belt (same as in ...
shield
zenith vigil
thoughts? currently running 236 shield; 236 shoulders; and 239 belt (same as in ...
Shield
sweet summit
id take cloak or research @unique shale
median tulip
thoughts? currently running 236 shield; 236 shoulders; and 239 belt (same as in ...
Always, always upgrade your shield if it's an option
flat pewter
shield it is then ^^
glacial swift
Anyone have any tips on how to prioritize secondary stats? im at 27% crit and 19.6% haste at the moment. Sims tell me to lean towards crit. but guides tell me haste is the go to stat. I always believe the truth is somewhere in the middle. Is there an easy way / rule of thumb to apply?
strong forum
Ilvl > haste > vers >crit=mastery for surv
sweet summit
the sim is for pure damage
guides are generally more defensively focused, but haste is great at both
strong forum
And whatever sim tells you is for damage
I had to drop my crit haste shoulders for vers mastery ones yesterday
I'm so sad...
sweet summit
very sad day 
glacial swift
I had to drop my crit haste shoulders for vers mastery ones yesterday
simply because the ilvl was better?
Thanks for the input. Will have a look at my vault today and hopefully make the right decission
wide pilot
Has anyone figured out how high it is possible to get our haste this tier?
ionic fern
There are DR's so stacking one stat to oblivion is a no-go.
wide pilot
Where is that for us? Saw some ppl say they were in the 40s earlier in the day
strong forum
simply because the ilvl was better?
All stats are good for us 1 way or the other, and mainstat + armor is also a very valuable stat for us, so you can safely stack ilvl and not feel bad about not having X stat
So yes, even a 3ilvl upgrade on shoulders is worth it
ionic fern
Where is that for us? Saw some ppl say they were in the 40s earlier in the day
It's the same for everyone.
strong forum
Although it was 13ilvl in my case
ionic fern
grave jasper
hi, what would you run for m+ - those below or 239 raid bracers crit/haste with domination socket
jagged pier
Dom socket
fast kite
does nayone know if its possible ot heroic leap through the eye of the jailers beam? if i use spell reflect before i do it can i take no damage
somber stump
Just don't risk it
median tulip
does nayone know if its possible ot heroic leap through the eye of the jailers ...
I haven't tried it, but SR only reflects (normally) a single, directly targeted attack. Which the beam isn't. So it'd only give you a 20% damage reduction.
somber stump
Best case scenario, if it works, you have like 2 seconds extra uptime...worst case scenario....you leap wrong and insta die
median tulip
Please try it and report back on your experimental results. Enquiring Minds want to know.
jagged pier
Its probably luck depending on server ticks and where it tjinks u are
I mean u can hit the eyd in the air
somber stump
I usually leap towards chain, use it and then charge back to boss
jagged pier
And all the way to the chain
median tulip
I usually leap towards chain, use it and then charge back to boss
I stay near the boss for a while, intervene someone near the chains to get out. Max uptime.
somber stump
That works aswell. But risking a wrong leap, dieing and hopefully getting a ress results in prolly atleast 6-8 seconds downtime so i dont think its worth it tbh
median tulip
Git Gud :P
strong forum
Especially cuz it's the 2nd boss of the tier lol
Why try risky shit on a boss that should die in less than 10 pulls
jagged pier
11 
cinder nova
I haven't tried it, but SR only reflects (normally) a single, directly targeted ...
It can reflect AOEs
It reflects tons of dots from AOEs
The AOE from Ardenweald DOS boss is an AOE and it reflects that, 3rd boss SD it reflects the DOT that applies, it reflects ticks of multiple soak AOEs like Fatal Finesse in CN.
It's not only single directs.
tawdry dirge
belt to belt
sweet summit
the 252 is worth yes
tawdry dirge
i can upgrade the other one to 246
cinder nova
Doesn't matter.
cinder nova
Yes. More stats > better stats.
tawdry dirge
maaaaaa hastteeee ๐ฆ
cinder nova
Our gearing choices could literally be done by trained chimps.
And that's not even being hyperbolic. They've trained bonobos to play more complex games than "the bigger number".
tawdry dirge
yeah i know ilvl > stats
orchid slate
I've got a basic question about fortified damage scaling. Is the 30% modifier added or multiplied to the pre-buffed damage? According to wowhead a +15 key has a +172% modifier (compared to M0). Is this damage modifier increased to 202% or 224%?
tame jasper
Yeah 252 shield in vault <O)
cerulean ore
Hey People !
I can't really decide what i should take out of the Vault.
My choices are the Heroic Version of The Nine Trinket (+Leech) while i have the Blood Scale 220 & the Splintered Heart 213. My other choice would be Bracers with Chrit Vers Speed where i gain arround 20 iLvl & a stats and i get rid of my huge amount of mastery or a Waist where i only gain a couple of Haste.
ionic fern
Hey People !
I can't really decide what i should take out of the Vault.
My cho...
Sorry, what..? 200 ilvl gain on Bracers? ๐
cerulean ore
Oh sorry it should be 20 xD
ionic fern
Under The Nine trinket you mean Aegis i take it? If so i would just take that one.
cerulean ore
Yeah correct the Aegis.
worthy karma
I canโt go back to change but I picked a 239 haste very Dom chest over a 252 item that would replace a 236. I made the right choice right ๐
near sundial
would be worth is you didnt have set bonus
jagged pier
No dom sockets are worth like 30ilvls in m+
jagged pier
Hey People !
I can't really decide what i should take out of the Vault.
My cho...
Ageis is better than both thoughs trinkets
tame jasper
No dom sockets are worth like 30ilvls in m+
Some weeks ago you said that even 213er dom items > 252 m+ items?
jagged pier
Probably yer
orchid slate
I've got a basic question about fortified damage scaling. Is the 30% modifier ad...
or in other words. what is the rough key level difference between trash on a fort week and a tyra week?
tardy sequoia
is pushing this week doable with fortified and raging?
jagged pier
Pushing is always doable
orchid slate
is pushing this week doable with fortified and raging?
yeah, I guess. Bring an enrage dispel or start running away at 30%
tardy sequoia
I guess party comp is important
maybe pull less mobs dunno
this season i prefer tyrannical lol
strong forum
I've got a basic question about fortified damage scaling. Is the 30% modifier ad...
Multiplicative to the key level,so the 224%
The dmg increase mobs get isn't why fort is dangerous for tanks
orchid slate
ouch, thanks! ๐
strong forum
Its the HP increase
Chewing through the additional HP is what hurts
The dmg increase is negligible
People can tank 26 fort keys where mobs have more than 800% modifiers
It's just that the mobs have to die in a timely matter
orchid slate
before you run out of def cds you mean?
cerulean ore
Ageis is better than both thoughs trinkets
Thanks :)
rigid edge
Just got bladedancers trinket as my 252 ๐
I'm guessing from the tooltip it's still a pretty bad trinket, am I right?
rigid edge
Sadtimes
zenith vigil
Literally anything else is better
plush folio
Do we play Anger Management or Heavy Repercussions in m+? Keys around 16-17? Thanks ๐
jagged pier
Am
plush folio
Some of the top prot war plays Heavy Repercussions, that's why i was asking, there is no situation where HR is better than AM?
jagged pier
In 25s where the block is needed because the mobs live for so long, and as most tanks are the shot callers they dont nes to think about optamising repisal all the time so they play HR
stray hemlock
If you play seismic instead of reprisal hr might be better??
stray hemlock
Oh
stray hemlock
Yah then less avatar which makes it useless. Good point
jagged pier
Hr only works with repirsal because it fills the gaps between charges and interevens and shield blocks where u only need though 2 secs
plush folio
Thank you for the answer ๐
bright flax
Got a top 18 on vault. Wondering if I can convince some chads to pull raging guy to boss this week
1st boss also tuned, gotta use that as argument to make them believe
bright flax
With a MS on top, maybe i should have picked fatescriber trinket from vault
How was EM nome?
strong forum
Hard to tell if I did more dmg or not, haven't done a reprisal mists yet with mikan 57
But 7.2k with 235ilvl is aight
Could've been more but I played a bit poorly every now and again
bright flax
reprisal is simply better, no argue there. more consistent, defensive perks
EM is just fun dumb burst
with 0 defensive value
strong forum
Was triple kyrian, packs would literally die in 8 seconds
bright flax
rofl
strong forum
3 spears going down and the pack was gone
Also played ITF instead of ravager, so that was annoying
Forgot to change talents
bright flax
imma roll one and check the vod. I do prefer itf with it but my packs don't last 10 secs 
still, 7.2k pretty good. next week I'll craft SR and play around it
Wtf was that leap through wall in mists
hollow sun
ionic fern
Wtf was that leap through wall in mists
H4x.
tame jasper
the sentinel pack before the gauntlet
The Pack you skip with invis can be skiped by jumping over? Oo
hollow sun
yes
well
don't try it at home
there is a specific point in which you can leap without getting in combat
i think Biz did a video of that
zenith vigil
inferior to shard smh xd
mental scarab
Like when ventyr paladin pops ashen and pull mobs on second boss in SD in the cells
median tulip
inferior to shard smh xd
I'll cross that bridge when I have a 252 Shard
median tulip
I don't have a Shard. I do have a 252 Scale. What's your point, exactrly?
bright flax
They serve most of the same use cases but have a diff flavor
hollow sun
its kinda useless to wait for something better. Have nothing better than scale? take scale
bright flax
Scale will only shield you for x amount and does damage
Aegis only reduces damage coming in front of you for 8 secs and should do damage
The way you use them might differ a bit but you should use them for the same purpose
median tulip
I'm well aware that they fit in the same... profile(?) for want of a better term. But I have one and not the other, so right now I'm happy I got it at 252
strong forum
I think he's referring to you only replacing it with a 252 aegis
When a lower one will already do the trick
median tulip
and worst case scenario here is that the game decides it's gonna fuck with me and give me a shard tonight
bright flax
Take ir or share the love with folk
ember token
How is the NF leg in raids? I switched to the tree huggers but seen some people using it
ionic fern
Mucho damage - if you ment Leg as Legendary.
ember token
Yes, Legandary. Pumping is good so will craft it then, bloody Painsmith made me do it.
zenith vigil
@median tulip yea all i was saying is that aegis is so good that lower iLVLs of it are better than higher scale
for some content, that is
orchid frigate
just did HoA and it was sweaty even as guardian
dont dare to set my foot in there with warrior this week ๐ฆ
orchid frigate
๐
jagged pier
orchid frigate
hmm fire mages became OP again?
hollow sun
I'm quite scared of DOS as well this week
median tulip
The vault gave me a DOS 15
orchid frigate
yikes DOS this week
double enrages
maybe this is the week i tend to another alt
median tulip
It's gonna be a good week to get dungeon groups as a Druid or a Hunter, that's for sure
median tulip
The Champions in Xav's wing of ToP will be a pain this week
Nar'zudah in Necrotic Wake will be a Pain in the Ass as well
hollow sun
When the mask rages exactly as he casts rage
zenith vigil
but who was urn
median tulip
The Portal Guardians in ToP will hurt if they enrage their storm AoE
livid igloo
Hunter Druid rogue
hollow sun
Just soothe
fathom spindle
Should i go for Decanter 252 or BiS wrist 252?
Wrist obviously donโt have Doninion, but i can get my 3 set from other pieces
Dominion*
zenith vigil
Domination*
orchid frigate
bullshit system*
fathom spindle
Kek
zenith vigil
*exciting blizzard gameplay system
primal cape
did someone try new affixs and how does it feel ?
orchid frigate
just did one dungeon and it turned me off
sacred wyvern
best dps legendary to protwar in m+?
hollow sun
The leaper
visual wedge
best dps legendary to protwar in m+?
Reprisal is probably ur bis for m+
if u wanted absolute just pure dps I think i saw someone say seismic was top dps
strong forum
Yea, for lower keys seismic can pump some dmg, but it won't be leagues above reprisal dmg
We can defo do over 7k dps with reprisal without going balls to the wall on dmg, so it's literally our end all be all legendary for m+
visual wedge
Which is better dps rn? IQD or soul Cage? (soul cage has chance to give 185 strength)
strong forum
My bet would be soul cage
Because we don't have big enough CDs to make IQD be a worthwhile trinket to line up with
blazing condor
distant crystal
does iqd even sim well for pwarr?
it typically performs pretty close to sims. the heal/mana proc is really p rare, unless you raid with thirsty ass disc priests
tawdry dirge
can we use it on domination gear too?
strong forum
Nop
tired ice
Funny thing is, Leather gets 5 sockets, Plate/Mail 4 and Cloth only 3
simple mural
Balance!
tired ice
You could put sockets on dom pieces on PTR iirc
I bet you they found a bug that allowed you to put a second shard in a dom piece with extra socket and couldn't figure out how to fix it in time
simple mural
Probably that ^
tired ice
Why they couldn't have changed Helm, Bracers, Belts to Cloaks, Pants, Boots is beyond me tho
inland raft
Its meaningful choice to use a regular gem or a dom gem 
strong forum
hey, would anyone use anima field emitter over guardian trinket ?
Na, matrix is one of the best trinkets in the game both offensively and defensively.
In the end you can also just sim
rugged mural
Anyone NOT run devastator this week so explosives can be hit more easily? It doesnโt look like revenge hits them.
rugged mural
I pug.
rugged mural
You ever helpful? Or is this your usual state?
zenith vigil
I was helpful
tiny blade
If i swap covenat now that the Sanctum of Domination campaign is done, will i need to redo it all?
zenith vigil
I said continue to not run devastator
and have someone else do it
that's the whole suggestion, works fine for me in PUGs
ionic fern
Anyone NOT run devastator this week so explosives can be hit more easily? It doe...
Healer problem. ๐
hollow sun
as someone that heals as well, its everyone problem. If you die from explosives that is your fault 
but its hardly worth to get a talent just to kill explosives
ionic fern
Alternatively you can just Heroic Throw.
tame jasper
execpt the min range of HT
ionic fern
That's about as much attention i put into Explosives.
rugged mural
Yeah, this idea that itโs strictly a healer affix is pretty silly when pugging 14-16s.
rugged mural
Throw is nice, but doesnโt hit melee. Just wanted to ask. Iโll keep autoing melee ones if I need to.
ionic fern
Throw is nice, but doesnโt hit melee. Just wanted to ask. Iโll keep autoing mele...
What ever you do ..don't swap out of Devastator. ๐
spiral nova
Does anyone have a problem where protection is taking a shit ton of damage like the mitigation isnโt that great anymore
rugged mural
Cool.
ionic fern
Does anyone have a problem where protection is taking a shit ton of damage like ...
Nope - still feeling tanky as ever.
hollow sun
It seems that every affix is a healer affix
oblique garnet
I dunno i pug higher and its fine
DoS check
ionic fern
It seems that every affix is a healer affix <:medge:869468644743200829>
Just run a resto druid.
ionic fern
I triple pull hoa and the bolts just melted me
Magic damage will melt any tank. ๐
spiral nova
And all kicks expended
ionic fern
Just kite then. ๐
oblique garnet
jagged pier
spiral nova
Ignore pain up time is shit too
wild hemlock
We can defo do over 7k dps with reprisal without going balls to the wall on dmg,...
teach me please
ionic fern
IP won't save you in any situation where you're getting bolts constantly shot at you.
Either rotate kicks better , plan CD usage or outrange them.
oblique garnet
teach me please
Press damage buttons on cd do good pulls and you do 7k
Or well if you are atleast 240ilvl
wild hemlock
low 230. its my alt but ill get there
modern brook
Em= epic man
modern brook
No it's epic man (yes its Elysian might)
bright flax
Epic man lego
wild hemlock
im gonna make the NF one for shits this weekend
modern brook
Ppl play nf when spear is right here smh
Nvm
I don't want to make those jokes
Cause then people get this idea that any of our cov decisions make a differencr
bright flax
Wym, they clearly 2 different shades of blue
smoky wave
Wym, they clearly 2 different shades of blue
Beat me to it. Pleasant blue or want-to-gouge-your-eyes-out-blue. You can pick which is which.
bright flax
This week, greek style robes with renown 60, only on one shade of blue
true olive
Yeah but being a hippo with another shade of blue
wild hemlock
i switched to NF when fury started popping with it so that i could dps as well (yes,yes i know kyrian still works for fury)
smoky wave
Yeah but being a hippo with another shade of blue
Want hippo. Stuck with bear.
tardy lily
hello everyone. somehow the spellreflect tracker from #268491842637660160 doesnt seem to pop uf for me, even though i most certainly have reflected spells so far. Any idea why?
oblique garnet
Ppl play nf when spear is right here smh
I play nf you have a problem with that
zenith vigil
same
oblique garnet
hello everyone. somehow the spellreflect tracker from <#268491842637660160> doe...
@fierce juniper updates it or doesnt i dont know what he does anymore
tardy lily
i see, thanks. I am not that good in coding WAs so i checked but i was in a DoS key and it didnt show anything for me
modern brook
I play nf you have a problem with that <:peepostudy:617259554530656262>
๐
modern brook
i see, thanks. I am not that good in coding WAs so i checked but i was in a DoS ...
What are you looking for the wa to do?
Idk what the wa in #268491842637660160 does lmao
tardy lily
Idk what the wa in <#268491842637660160> does lmao
the blockable/spell reflect wa just doesnt show up for me and i am confused why, bc i checked and it should, however i am not that deep into WA coding so idk if theres maybe outdated code in there or sth elsem essed up bc i just changed sth in the load options but ndidnt touch custom code
and even before that it didnt show up
oblique garnet
I honestly have no idea what the wa is supposed to do
Is it the lines on reflectable spells?
strong forum
Shows the reflectable cast as its happening
tardy lily
shows castbar for reflectable spells
strong forum
I have it, but I never notice if it's actually working or not
oblique garnet
Idk i just look at my nameplates to see if theres any cast on me
strong forum
Ya same
oblique garnet
Usually they are reflectable so ๐คทโโ๏ธ
strong forum
And it shows reflectable casts even if they're not targeting you btw
So it can bait you into using SR
devout heron
yesterday had a terrible time on first pull of mists
on fortified i was able to do it since my last tanking
but that was tyrannical
could it be a healer issue? his rio was 1k :P
tardy lily
So it can bait you into using SR
i see. i didnt know that, but there are just some spells you cant reflec,t hence i thought this wa would be nice to have
woeful stirrup
is it better to track the uptime from SB and then look at the % how much i blocked?
jagged pier
No blocked hits are far better
lean moth
what are you all running for talents for this weeks mythic?
zenith vigil
the same ones we always do for AOE
lean moth
crackling thunder and bolster worth it?
zenith vigil
crackling thunder was always the play
lean moth
bounding stride not good for more reprisal procs?
strong forum
on fortified i was able to do it since my last tanking
The smallies have to be purged, so they don't apply an on death effect. You have to reflect soulsplit or have it dispelled from you otherwise you take 50% more damage
oblique garnet
Ive always been bounding stride
(โฏยฐโกยฐ๏ผโฏ๏ธต โปโโป
lean moth
the mobs clap this week, so i was just curious
strong forum
Bounding stride squad
jagged pier
The smallies have to be purged, so they don't apply an on death effect. You have...
Or blow up the pack with 3 spears
zenith vigil
on a week where u have to kite like this one
why wouldn't CT be better
for dat TC kite
strong forum
Why would you need to kite
jagged pier
Why are we kiting?
zenith vigil
enraging?
strong forum
Pah
oblique garnet
No kiting 
patent osprey
Cause the mobs are one shooting me in raging
oblique garnet
You die or mobs die but thats a risk im willing to take
zenith vigil
same guys giving me advice that had to 4-warrior a 15 to get it done for the week
strong forum
Plka is actually the 1
zenith vigil
smh my head
zenith vigil
patent osprey
๐ฆ my voice is invalidated ๐ฆ
jagged pier
same guys giving me advice that had to 4-warrior a 15 to get it done for the wee...
Idnalready done like 15 runs that week inwas just helping mwahi and nome
U think i have alts this patch
patent osprey
zenith vigil
u think i wasn't shitposting