protection

[latent pier]

reaaal quick, do we like decanter?

[maiden ravine]

It's meh

Easy to wiff

There's better

[oblique garnet]

Epic so im not that rusty on prot

Wouldve probably done more if i went korayn over niya

[latent pier]

how about the ticking bag from taz? I hear good things but it seems to sim poorly.

[next widget]

how much damage do you guys usually do overall in a m+?

[latent pier]

I'm just starting out with prot, but usually like 5kish overall

[oblique garnet]

Did 6k in a DoS earlier

[visual wedge]

What’s the best trinket to pair with like aegis or scale? Is it still phial?

[amber herald]

phial for dmg, both for really tough content

[visual wedge]

Is this a dps log of the current top tier trinkets in conjunction?

Like Scale + Old soul? Would the stat buff provide an edge etc

[ocean yoke]

the guardian matrix trinket is cracked too

[mellow bridge]

That is completely dependant on both the dungeon and the affixes

You'll do a lot more dmg in mists than in pf

[next widget]

it was just to give me an idea

[mellow bridge]

Or a lot more in SD with proper lanterns than in top

You can realistically range from like 5.5k to 7k

At least that's what I did so far

[sweet ivy]

Hey guys, in which case is worth to have Heavy repercussions over Anger managemente?

[patent osprey]

Preference, but I love HR in NW, SD, TOP. Other Dungeons you can argue AM over HR or vice Versa. Depends on comp too

If u run with ele shaman, its more important than anything to be able to sit in a pack for longer periods of time, even if u do less damage, so you don't pull it out of earthquake

[oblique garnet]

Wish tanks were like this

[sweet ivy]

@patent osprey thanks ❤️

[hoary crow]

Is wowprogress not updating for you guys as well?

[zenith vigil]

Depends on key level too, no?

you might have some bias

[hollow sun]

[fervent summit]

[mellow bridge]

Now that's a long fight

[obtuse monolith]

And slime health literally nerfed tomorrow

[lunar jackal]

is there a weird shit in remnant with taunts? sometimes my taunt doesnt work

[inland raft]

got normal aegis and i cant get over how broken it was i had been told it was but i thought was justhyperbole

legit god mode for duration

[haughty sleet]

anyone know the secret of making heroic leap actually jump over the spikes in intermission of psmith

[inland raft]

cross at the apex of jump and right after the flash of the animation is what i do and its worked for me idk if thers a more detailed explanation out there

[woeful stirrup]

Hey guys im kinda new to prot warrior and was reading the wowhead guides aswell but i want to know when you guys are using IP ? Do you use it when SB is on CD or you use it both on the same time because i watched some vods from high m+warriors and they rarely use it they almost only try to get as much SB as possible ?

[lunar jackal]

whenever u need more defense and u have already got SB up or when u dont have SB up and u need more defense

its not a replacement for SB

[ocean yoke]

think of it more as a rage dump than mitigation really

[lunar jackal]

^

[ocean yoke]

if youre relying on IP youre probably fucked

[lyric relic]

or an emergency mitigation when literally everything else is down

yeah basically

[woeful stirrup]

Okay ty guys <3

[cinder nova]

The fact that it works on DOTs is hilarious.

Did a +20 with a H Aegis and it was basically an extra CD with stigma

[urban portal]

its an off gcd rage dump

[frigid spire]

Hello all my prot brothers and sisters I need a hand. I am running NecroLord as of right now for raiding and it seems to be very strong but the M+ let's just say it's bad should I swap to a different cov and if so what one is best for C.E and high key

[cinder nova]

Kyrian and NF are both pretty yoked for M+ and raiding.

Kyrian will do ~100-200 DPS less in ST, but it's comparable to NF during AOE scenarios.

NF has some really big pumper damage, but lacks the extra survivability that Kyrian has in the form of vial and extra rage.

NF's AA ability is great for keeping lots of mobs kicked for long periods of time during M+, but requires you to tank them in the area which can be tricky at times.

Kyrian can staples shit to the ground pretty much every pull to make kiting easier and to keep mobs clustered for your DPS.

In general covenant doesn't really matter. You can CE and push io with any cov and be fine.

Your play is the single largest decider in whether or not you will succeed.

[south rune]

Whats best lego for m+ damage wise?

[ocean yoke]

for all out pump its seismic reverberation

[mighty valley]

Dunno if everyone is doing this already, but it's fun in Theater if everyone has the interrupt anima power to step away from kul'tharok so everyone can interrupt on cooldown

Gives you something to do on that boss

[limpid kite]

It does not hit the next melee player who is near the boss? Because margrave does(last boss pf)

[blazing condor]

Nah she only casts when ur not in melee

I do this too

Ez dps

[mighty valley]

Margrave (and Muehzala) just keep meleeing whoever's in range, Kul'tharok starts up an interruptible cast

[cinder nova]

She will also punch people after being kicked if you aren't back in time.

I've watched her melee a rogue to death.

[mighty valley]

ok, yeah, don't do that lol, you just have to take one step away and then walk back during the cast

[cinder nova]

It happened because someone snap-kicked the cast while I was mid-charge to proc Reprisal.

[mighty valley]

Weirdly this time she chained right into another cast after one got interrupted once, which I didn't think should be possible

[obsidian girder]

Morning, do I play pelagos in raid ? Had to substitute our maintank tomorrow

[ionic fern]

For DPS? - Sim yourself.
Probably Mika if you got the last trait.
All in all it won't matter much as long as you play the class correctly.

[jagged pier]

Mika is the play in raid

[obsidian girder]

Okay, thanks

[obsidian girder]

Still reprisal / the wall in raid I assume

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[obsidian girder]

Kk

Can't go wrong with haste/versa on Leggo I assume

[jagged pier]

Nope

[obsidian girder]

Ty

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8gxE1gfobtaoedbRzWahU2

Maybe someone can tell me this looks okaish

And I did not sim wrong :-)

Reprisal is no damage increase

[lucid jasper]

U need to keep charging and intercepting to make most use of reprisal dmg i think

Dunno if sim takes that into account

[jagged pier]

Reprisal is a dps increase

U also shouldnt be running fueld of violence its aweful

[visual wedge]

I’m only simming for 3.5k with reprisal lol

[jagged pier]

@ionic fern thought rep was fixed in sims

[ionic fern]

It was.
Semi-fixed.
Charge is used when Heroic Leap and Charge are both off CD due to trying to simulate real life situations.
Still need to add movement events into SIMC for Soulshape/walk out so we don't need to check for Heroic Leap all the time.

[jagged pier]

Fair enough

[ionic fern]

But - 0 time to work on that right now.

Good thing it's a open source project and anyone can do it.

IIRC correctly before implementing the Heroic Leap check and just using Charge on CD it was a extra +100 - 200 DPS or something, would need to check the files once i get back home.

[jagged pier]

Yer i remeber it being around that

[orchid frigate]

hmm is it bad to kite 1st boss in NW towards entrance?

[ionic fern]

Kite it to where ever you have room.

[orchid frigate]

just had a DH flame me about not being able to kite the boss properly since i was going towards entrance 🤔

[ionic fern]

Only "bad" thing about going that way is that you're losing time by walking back to where the boss initially was to continue the dungeon but that's like a lost..5 seconds?

Who cares

.DPS'ers are mongos.

Never listen to DPS'ers in a Pug key.

[orchid frigate]

right 🙂

[ionic fern]

I've been called a horrible player who does not know how to tank countless of times.

[orchid frigate]

lol

[ionic fern]

"Oh, you pulled a big pack when the other 2 DPS'ers had their CD's up but MINE aren't up? SHITTY TANK, DOESNT PAY ATTENTION!!"
"Oh, you linked the route at the beginning of the dungeon but i diddnt look at it and now im complaining mid run and going to leave !! BAD TANK!!".

[blazing condor]

Every time

”What is this route”

You would know if you looked at it, bestie

[ionic fern]

And the best DPS'ers are the ones who are pulling for you.

Just did a giga pack and used most of my CD's.
Time to pull slightly smaller
DPS Players:
BRUH MY CD'S ARE UP TIME TO PULL 5 PACKS FOR THE TANK

And then blame the tank cause i died/kited too much.

I swear to god these people don't think.

There should be a tank only podcast where we just tell stories and flame at the pug DPS*ers.

[native coyote]

I think we all have stories to tell ...horrible stories 🙂

[blazing condor]

Dumbass Per Second

[ionic fern]

I wonder if DPS discords are like:
"Ugh, the tank i had was horrible and all tank players are stupid".

[arctic bridge]

You should be able to give dpsers a star rating, viewable to all, that would stop the bull shit. Get rid of the trash talkers.

[ionic fern]

"WTS 5 STARS FOR GOLD!!"

[arctic bridge]

Haha

[worn bear]

thinkin about giving prot a go in m+ here soonish. rookie question but what addons do y'all use? route planning and all that

[ionic fern]

MDT
WA
ELVUI
Details

And a bunch of random stuff that i still have installed but never use and am too lazy to uninstall.

[crystal hill]

plater for nameplates is good too

[worn bear]

mdt was the big one i was thinking of, yeah. appreciate it

[devout robin]

You may find it fun, I was so annoyed of having pug tanks literally not knowing basic tank knowledge, that I started tanking myself (fury to prot)

Prot warrior imo has been way more tanky than DH

[ionic fern]

Are you now annoyed at random PuG DPS'ers literally not knowing anything?

[devout robin]

Yeah lmao

I did a 16 halls and on the first boss Halkias

He does 8 blood pools before he does intermission

[worn bear]

the phrasing of "a good prot warrior's health doesn't move" sounds very appealing to me tbh. a friend picked up hpriest and has been damn good at it so far

[devout robin]

And this druid healer kept flaming me

[worn bear]

figured i'd at least give it a shot

[devout robin]

Shared the route and everything before, saying I'd skip to second boss after

Druid proceeds to die 5 times trying to stealth through mobs between first and second boss

And then rage quits key blaming me

[devout robin]

Shield block is your best friend

Reprisal makes it all the more fun

[brittle owl]

well, most tanks are badde, to be fair

just like most healers are badde

and most dps are bad

basically people are bad is what i'm tryina say

[crystal hill]

is badde different from bad

[brittle owl]

obviously

[devout robin]

You can facetank huge pulls much longer than most other tanks, depending I think

[crystal hill]

makes sense

[brittle owl]

ikr

[zenith vigil]

Other than magical druids

[crystal hill]

facetanking is the best kind of tanking

[zenith vigil]

The current golden boy

[devout robin]

When I first started prot warrior I thought ignore pain was my main mitigation

[brittle owl]

you're not the only one

[zenith vigil]

You'll like the eye in sanctum then

[brittle owl]

nor the last

[zenith vigil]

Xd

[brittle owl]

[ionic fern]

IP isn't my main mitigation???:o

[cyan onyx]

Wait hold up

[brittle owl]

BuT iT'S 50% AND wOrKs Vs MaGeEk

[ionic fern]

Don't forget it shows up on healing meters.

[brittle owl]

true

hps is the tank metric after all

[zenith vigil]

This but unironically

[devout robin]

Blood DKs in the corner

👀

[brittle owl]

what are they doing in the corner

crying because they heal the boss?

[safe thistle]

thats why i dont do skip run with pugs, so stupid

[jagged pier]

They work fine for me

🤷‍♂️

[safe thistle]

always someone popping a pot right before and saying pot on cd

anyway since pride is gone for 15-17 range as i do right now its not necessary

[ionic fern]

Just you wait until tonight.

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

[jagged pier]

Im supposed to be having dinner at somepoint but ive still not been told what time so i may(probably) will be late

[visual wedge]

this.. i always rage dumped into IP

[jagged pier]

What about REVENGJ

[brittle owl]

goddammit jakey

you're still adding G's to shit

[jagged pier]

I do what i want

[brittle owl]

[safe thistle]

Painsmith Raznal
[With regional restarts] A gap now appears in every row of spikes during Stage Two on Mythic difficulty.

[brittle owl]

extra gapes are always cool

[jagged pier]

Dont need to leap anymore

Was looking forward to that

[brittle owl]

you can still intervene thru the gap

and go back and forth a few times if you position yourself properly

(i am 12)

[safe thistle]

oh wow 40% nerf on Dessia slam dmg

i though they would increase ToP timer too its very short.

[ionic fern]

Is it? 👀

[safe thistle]

on tyra week ya

not a key for picnic lets say 😛

[ionic fern]

Oh, isn't Tyrannical week a dead week anyways?
Atleast it was when i was pushing more seriously. 👀

[zenith vigil]

With these affixes it wasn't so bad

[tame jasper]

i pushed this week more keys than ever before (first two weeks, where you didnt have any rating aside ofc...)

i love pushing in tyra weeks, its so much easier

[jagged pier]

Have to push both weeks now anyways

[tame jasper]

yep @jagged pier

[inland raft]

Halls change was nice wish theyd nerf bolt though

[zenith vigil]

bolt?

Oh

[inland raft]

Wicked bolts

Its fine in org group with good kicks but means i never atep foot in there with a pug

Nothing like one missed kick doing 40k

And in pugs its usually most bolts that get missed

Reflecting them is satisfying at least

[amber herald]

huh

[ionic fern]

Shame tho.
I gotta re-roll to something non-meta.

Was a good ride guys.

See you.

[amber herald]

imagine wanting a warrior in halls though kek

[ionic fern]

Maybe they are like a triple melee comp and just want the AP buff.

[zenith vigil]

They respect the thunderclap kite meta

mhm mhm

[blazing condor]

M+ tanking in general rn has got me playing arms instead

More comfy to not have to give a shit

[zenith vigil]

Fury better for n+ no?

[strong forum]

Every week is push week now

[blazing condor]

Arms is pumping

I have more success in m+ as arms

especially on tyrannical since fury dont really got great ST

Fury probably has better sustained aoe where arms have better burst aoe

Idrk tho 🤷‍♂️

[ivory elbow]

I have returned

With more questions

This could be a hard one

First time doing the raid

When it comes to weekly chest

Does it give loot from all 10 bosses if i have only killed 6 bosses?

[inland raft]

Ya been playing a lot of arms

Year if the spear

Rare that im not top overall by a decent margin at least at the kry level im doing only done up to 20s this season to get teleports so can br lazy for weekly keys

[strong forum]

Only if you've killed all 10 bosses atleast once

You can't get loot from bosses you haven't killed before

[blazing condor]

Avatar, opc, warbreaker, spear all that shit for god dang burst

[inland raft]

[marble prairie]

my last key i tanked

[strong forum]

Pump

Unless it's NW and you used weapons

[marble prairie]

nope

[wild hemlock]

would you please give info on what key lmao

[marble prairie]

mist

ill link io

[wild hemlock]

lvl

[marble prairie]

if u dont believe

[inland raft]

Smells like a seismic mists

[wild hemlock]

i do believe youre just being vague.. spit it out homeboy

[marble prairie]

https://raider.io/characters/us/frostmourne/Karacete

[wild hemlock]

i dont wana click lol

[inland raft]

O an nf leggo mists

I feel like seismic still would pump more but idk i swapped to kyrian for arms fun

[strong forum]

Nature's Fury I see

[inland raft]

Miss soulshape and aa already

[strong forum]

NF leggo is good yes but seismic should be more pump

Ima test elysian might today in mists

[blazing condor]

Spent last boss in Nw dead but had 10k overall

Ez weps

[strong forum]

With my dogshit gear, so I'm not gonna get close to those 8k

[inland raft]

Ya my gear pretty shitty still doesnt help i main arms in raid so focuses on there and prot set is neglected

At least got 252 shield first week mythic cuz opened tarra as prot spec without even meaning too

[strong forum]

I don't raid and don't play alot this tier, so I'm still 235 scrub with 0 Dom pieces

So yeh, I don't expect big numbers

[blazing condor]

I got 2 dom pieces with 2 blood gems

But i assume UH is go to for arms

[inland raft]

Yes but i still dont have helm either

Blood isnt terrible though its not far behind uh and healing can be good for prog

[blazing condor]

Nice nice

I only do m+ as arms rn

Its fun asf tho

Feels like it has a high skill ceiling

[inland raft]

Well m+ set doesnt matter anyways

[blazing condor]

Nah but shards do

[inland raft]

Just wear the 3 dps shards and then like accretion

And 5th whatever you fancy

If you have 5 slots

[blazing condor]

Only have 2

Only plate in my raid so loot is scarce

[ivory elbow]

So thats a good way to loot specific items you want from certain bosses

[jagged pier]

I magine only doing 1k more damage than a kyrian with reprisal, when your NF and using Natures fury

[blazing condor]

Imongus

[zenith vigil]

[strong forum]

Well you'd need to exclusively kill those 3 bosses ever you'd want loot from

[zenith vigil]

[strong forum]

Without ever killing other bosses

[ivory elbow]

Hmm its Pog i do want items from narzul and the nine and sylvanas

[strong forum]

Well you probably already killed other bosses

So you can't target farm anymore

[ivory elbow]

I havent

First time i went to raid 🤣

I have narzul down and nine

[strong forum]

So if you legit never killed any bosses so far, and you can arrange a deal with the group that you will only fight those 3 bosses

[ivory elbow]

I work shift so no guild wants me 🤣

[strong forum]

Then you can target farm the vault loot ye

[blazing condor]

Ez

[ivory elbow]

Yeah its heroic so il just join pugs on specific boss

[terse remnant]

unstoppable force sims higher dps than ravager for me? is it just the rage generation from ravager thats wanted?

[flat arrow]

so i tried adding whirlwind in the apl on simucraft but i get an error.

[strong forum]

Why would you add a button that is an insane dps loss?

It costs more rage than Revenge

[woeful cypress]

god bless.

[strong forum]

Doesn't grant the chance to reset Shield Slam

And is hardcapped to 5 targets

Literally no benefit in trying to even sim WW

[flat arrow]

i suppose, was just curious

but it doesn't let me

[strong forum]

Idk I don't do sim stuff

[strong forum]

Ravager is indeed more rage and better on demand threat + qol

[flat arrow]

think they made it arms|fury only, while you can use it on prot aswell

[strong forum]

Did you sim ST or multitarget? Septic

[terse remnant]

even if im running anger managment?

[plush tendon]

There should be a conduit/legendary that increases the target cap of your basic abilities -_-

[strong forum]

Yes UF is a dead talent

The rotation during avatar gets fucked because you can't fit globals for revenge

[terse remnant]

hmm.. ok

[plush tendon]

also, Thunderclap is no stonks

[strong forum]

Or rather, hardly any

[plush tendon]

Revenge is stonks

[prisma bear]

they should replace uf with a talent that makes execute give us rage like fury

[terse remnant]

i have found that revenge is a better button to press and i already am capping at rage way to often

[strong forum]

Yes

With playing UF you'd have to pump rage more into IP during Avatar

[zenith vigil]

📈

[strong forum]

Unless you wanna skip globals on SS or TC, which then defeats the purpose of it again

[flat arrow]

thunderclap and revenge are pretty close in damage.

[terse remnant]

ok thanks for the advice ill stick with ravager then

was jw cos of the sim

[prisma bear]

revenge is almost double the dmg of tc on my tooltips lol

[flat arrow]

would be nice if shield slam were multi target like the pala version

[strong forum]

Yes, even with UF revenge does more damage than TC per cast

[prisma bear]

uf is truly awful

[terse remnant]

does shattering throw have any pve uses?

[prisma bear]

yeah

[plush tendon]

Not really, but some bosses have shields and it does like 400% more damage to shields

[flat arrow]

think the best thing about ravager compared to into the fray is that you don't need a group for it to get full benefit out

[prisma bear]

it can be worth on hakkar/nw last boss/ the warriors with bone barrier in nw

[plush tendon]

aint gonna like one shot a hakkar shield, but its fun to use XD

[prisma bear]

but you cant block while channeling it so be careful

[strong forum]

It's still worth the global on shields

Does like 20-30k

[terse remnant]

meh ill just leave it

[prisma bear]

if your dps are monkeys and wont break the shields on the trash on nw i do find it does help

[strong forum]

As avram said, on those it's good

[terse remnant]

something ill keep in mind

[jagged pier]

Can pre break hakkar shield

[terse remnant]

ill situationally decide in those very situational circumstances =]

[merry socket]

Is there ever a time where I to the fray is better then ravaged based on your haste% for keys?

[prisma bear]

for the tip top players with heavy repercussions maybe but probably not for you

[strong forum]

Not rly no, the only reason you'd want to use ITF would be to get a tiny bit more SB uptime

Like, actual tiny bit

[prisma bear]

speaking of ravager i noticed it can move reasonably far distances sometimes and other times it wont move if i have to move trash

what decides when it moves

[strong forum]

Being close to a target

If its just next to a target, it will move to itv

If its too far away, it won't move

[prisma bear]

oo okay thank you

[strong forum]

And it only aims to hit the closest target, not all of them

So if you move 4/5 mobs out of it, it won't move back to hit all of them

It'll stay, hitting that 1 target

[bright flax]

Protecc brothers of skyhold, i have sinned

Past week was extremely fun to use Elysian Might in keys, carry keys

I dont see the crit number go high, only a buff that says so. Is that expected behaviour?

[inland raft]

Its crit damage

Not crit chance

[bright flax]

Thank the gods of valhalla then for I have 29% crit

[inland raft]

Seismic better though

[strong forum]

Ima do an EM key tonight, to see if it pumps, Sims says no but will see

[inland raft]

But it does seem could be fun

If only for the extremely long root

[bright flax]

Its a lot of burst to face tank every pull, sometimes 2x per pull

You do feel the lack of SB uptime. Im bas enough that I couldnt use ravager with it but ITF made up for the crit stack I built

Bad

Bad enough

[strong forum]

I have 30% haste and 26% crit, I should be fine

[inland raft]

I kinda wanna mess around with damage leggos anyways to prepare for not having 100% block uptime next expansion

Reprisal is spoiling me

I just mash block without thinking now

[jagged pier]

We will just be taking bolster again till they give us borrowed power

[brittle owl]

vers% ?

[jagged pier]

3 or somthing for nome

Or it was

[brittle owl]

lmao

git gud scrub enjoy depleting

[inland raft]

Vers is a joke

[strong forum]

2.6 iirc

[jagged pier]

He has me dpsing in his keys tonight thats what will deplete us

[strong forum]

You did close to 10k in mists as arms, should be good enough :p

I'm more worried about my block uptime tho, gonna be in the 50s

[jagged pier]

Its fine mwahi will heal

I believe

[strong forum]

💦

[sweet summit]

dont need block when mob dead

[strong forum]

I'll stream my screams

👍

Should be good content

[north rampart]

Would watch you deplete keys with dps leggos

100% the kinda content the community needs

The reprisal or bust attitude is kinda lowkey toxic

[bright flax]

spear did become the most damaging ability, someone better can make it look much better

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DzRv29aYk134FmMH/#boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=2&type=damage-done&source=5

[obtuse monolith]

I have 262 legs and 1650 cinders after I run Torghast tonight. I know I should do reprisal but em is totally tempting

[blazing condor]

Em is fun

[inland raft]

O you guys doing the 4 prot key tonight?

[bright flax]

I'm using it for sylvannas prog at r4. I can't say it is the best or smt, and i don't care

[zenith vigil]

Shut up and craft reprisal peasant

[strong forum]

Shouldn't be a deplete tbh

[plush tendon]

Its not our fault they decided to band aid our spec with a lego 😭 we dont like it either

[strong forum]

But the reprisal or bust attitude is factual

It's big dps and huge survivability

[plush tendon]

we would love some choice

like what Prot Paladins have

[bright flax]

Mad Paragon or bust?

[plush tendon]

Or Bulwark

Or Kyrian Lego

Hell, Holy Avenger is still aight

[bright flax]

if we go my min maxing your cov depends on main content

[plush tendon]

I also think theres another defense option

[strong forum]

Don't have it everyday that you get ~95 rage for free on every charge

[prisma bear]

reprisal is so much fun though love it

[obtuse monolith]

I get self conscious about not maximizing reprisal in raid. In M+ it’s easy.

[plush tendon]

Reprisal is something that should have been a talent

[prisma bear]

it should have stayed 6 seconds like on the first day

[plush tendon]

It should be a baseline in our kit and not a borrowed power

[inland raft]

Maybe theyll give it to us in 4 expansions

[bright flax]

Blizzard taking notes, lets make reprisal into a whole talent tier. We split the perks!

[prisma bear]

later maybe, but having it baseline now and being able to equip a leggo would be absurd

[strong forum]

Na we'll get a rework in 10.0 again

[inland raft]

At the same time they take revenge away from us and make it a power

[plush tendon]

naw, but I think it should replace AM in the last talent row

[strong forum]

They're gonna make revenge a dmg proc

[plush tendon]

and make AM baseline

[strong forum]

Not a button anymore

[plush tendon]

Last talent row should all be about increasing SB uptime in different ways

[obtuse monolith]

I can get behind that

[tardy sequoia]

offtopic (maybe?) where can I buy vanishing powder in the shadowlands?

[plush tendon]

have Bolster, have HR, and then add reprisal (take the revenge out probably, idk)

[inland raft]

Reprisal on talent row would overshadow rest of row unless the others were buffed

[zenith vigil]

orgrimmar

[plush tendon]

well, we can buff HR to be like The Wall, make Last stand affected by AM which is now baseline

boom

[obtuse monolith]

But the name says “reprisal”

[tardy sequoia]

Ty

[plush tendon]

and keep the revenge on Reprisal

granted, i aint a spec designer, but if i was I would take my ideas, try them out in like a trial run of the game and then adjust based on what I see in that trial run

I wonder if Blizz does that

[inland raft]

Im sure whatever system blizzard has in place to determine spec changes somehow includes harrassment

[zenith vigil]

hilarious

[craggy pilot]

can DH not imprison the Smorgasbord on Boss 1 in PF?

[plush tendon]

I dont think so

[mellow bridge]

they cannot

imprison only works on humanoids beasts and demons

[zenith vigil]

nope

[mellow bridge]

the slimes are aberrations

[craggy pilot]

ah lul

had hunter rogue dh in PF

they couldnt figure how to CC the Smorgasbord

[bright flax]

trap blind

[craggy pilot]

ye

they said "cd"

kekw

hunter trapped 1st one

[hollow sun]

🤡

[craggy pilot]

2nd one the hunter tried to trap again, breaking the first one 😄

was hilarious to see hahahaha

[hollow sun]

and the rog probably blinded the trapped one

[craggy pilot]

yep prob

which other classes can CC it?

[hollow sun]

druids, paladins

[bright flax]

lock monk druid

[hollow sun]

monks

lock

[craggy pilot]

Paladin? rly?

[bright flax]

paladin cc works? the talent?

[strong forum]

Fear undead

Or repentence

[craggy pilot]

turn evil or something?

ah ok

[strong forum]

Ya turn evil

[craggy pilot]

so something like this

[hollow sun]

add warlock to cr

[craggy pilot]

thx 🙂

[hollow sun]

even though they never ress

[strong forum]

Bad ones dont

[craggy pilot]

how can they CR tho?

[strong forum]

You can also skip alot of shit with warlock Gate

Soulstone

[craggy pilot]

Soulstonr or something?

yea, but only in specific dungeons right?

[strong forum]

The skips, yes

The CR, no

[plush tendon]

Warlocks are pog

[strong forum]

Good warlocks own

[plush tendon]

Smart Warlocks in Mists are top tier

[bright flax]

if they were more meta we'd see clever things with gate

[strong forum]

Just gotta watch sjele

[plush tendon]

They pretty solid right now

And there isnt a meta yet

[strong forum]

And you'll see alot of shit with warlock utility

[plush tendon]

so much is pretty good right now 🙂

[hollow sun]

they can even dispel magic

[plush tendon]

yea, Locks are +++

but like all classes, its got to be played well and the more you know about your class and interactions in the dungeon,the better it is

[strong forum]

Infinite CC with fear.
Banish
Healthstone
CR
Aoe stun
Gateway
Dispel

[plush tendon]

They also THICCC

[zenith vigil]

They also don't really need healing

[hollow sun]

i have problems with them cause 90% of pug warlock don't interrupt

[zenith vigil]

From incidental damage

[bright flax]

locks in my guild is the guy who rerolled so that he gets summoned and he can summon the rest + healthstone

[inland raft]

Only meta really right now is bear tank

Rest is pretty mix and match still

[plush tendon]

not even though

Its just really popular, but it has strengths and weaknesses

[inland raft]

Its only main weakness is snap threat which is easily fixed if have rogue

[hollow sun]

does warlock actually do dmg now? i heard they were pretty bad

[craggy pilot]

which shard better? Cor or Bek?

[inland raft]

Lock in m+ pumps

[plush tendon]

and damage outside incarn

each tank brings something different, you just need to game plan for the tank you bring

[zenith vigil]

But only aff

[bright flax]

only main weakness is they're not a warrior

[inland raft]

Other tanks are solid yes buf meta is still bear

[plush tendon]

Never seen a demo lock?

[zenith vigil]

I want destro to be king

god dangit

[hollow sun]

with all those pets demo looks just wrong lol

[inland raft]

Name another tank that can walk into tyr necrotic 25 top pull trash and boss solo and live over a minute like andy did on tourney realm

Main downside of bear is its just boring af

[bright flax]

when that happened dh was the meta tho, not bear

the switch came right after it

[inland raft]

Cardboard nerf mainly but also just more gear in general

[bright flax]

classes got tuned a bit with patch

[inland raft]

And the tank biffs helped a lot

[bright flax]

not just tank classes, but dps classes, dungeons etc

[inland raft]

Cardboard carried dh

Dint need to be tanky if you never actually tank between trees cardboard ccs

[bright flax]

and dh might still be the best tank for a speedrun 18 key like mdi was in s1

[inland raft]

We will see but bear incarn pulls are still big time savers

And pairs well with lining up dps cds

But ya im sure prob see some variance in tank slot at low keys like that

[bright flax]

At least in first day of competitive ye

I hope so

[inland raft]

Dungeons where cant go uber big might favor other tanks

Mists, top, etc where its forcibly broken up

[near pecan]

Monk can skip certain mobs with paralysis into ring of peace

[limpid anchor]

You can pull 4-5 packs at the end of mists

I died at 3 :/

[inland raft]

Ya but most tanks can do that, its mostly about kicks when doing lst part of mists, damage output is super low

Its why can run dps leggos there

[near pecan]

It's melee hell if you pull more than 2 groups at the end of mists tho

[limpid anchor]

Idk I’m not nearly tanky enough I believe.

But top is probably the only one where you can’t pull big

Everything else - incarn!

[inland raft]

If only bear wasny so boring to play and if only it was colored brown and wore a shield

Prot is life

[rotund parcel]

thrash thrash thrash

rawr

just bears being bears

[inland raft]

Make sure tou macro if and thrash together for incarn! Much skill

[rotund parcel]

i got my bear to 39 before i no longer enjoyed pressing thrash

[inland raft]

Better then me

Mine is 19 i think

Most boring class in game imo

[zenith vigil]

US servers up

VAULT GANG RISE

[rotund parcel]

16 mins till vault?

or 1hr 16?

[zenith vigil]

.... can you read

[inland raft]

Up before they even went down?

Or did they go down early today

[zenith vigil]

wait

what

did my guild ruse me

son of a

fuck

[rotund parcel]

bruh can you read?

[inland raft]

Lol

[zenith vigil]

yea u got me i will eat the pie

oh, daylight savings time is why

[near pewter]

Do we know affixes yet for this week?

[blazing condor]

fuck daylight saving why we gotta save daylight??? Just wait til tomorrow

smh

[rotund parcel]

havent had explosive yet right?

[thorn remnant]

Only in the toilet.

[prisma bear]

RAGING EXPLOSIVE

confirmed

[zenith vigil]

thank god

goat affixes

https://i.imgur.com/yxQZ0QN.png\

help

[jagged pier]

Ows

[zenith vigil]

i could take the ring

my rings are 226 and 229

we always OWS you say @jagged pier ?

i do need a dps trinky

[rotund parcel]

take trinket or your a heretic

[visual wedge]

OWS stat buff is insane

[jagged pier]

Rings are low haste and ows isnt a dps trinket but its just angreat trinket for us gives haste

U can get ows in prot spec

[zenith vigil]

haste mastery ring anyways

trash

[jagged pier]

In using a haste mastery ring

[zenith vigil]

well, mostly mastery

[jagged pier]

As i said

Low haste rings

[zenith vigil]

so in M+ then, aegis and OWS?

or is OWS not good in m+

seems like it's not

maybe on tyran

[rotund parcel]

I guess I just get to wait until after raid to pick :(

[jagged pier]

Ows is great for m+ u have 15 seconds to keep the buff up

[zenith vigil]

ah

as long as you're chain pulling

which you should be

[deep steppe]

first good vault in a few weeks

[inland raft]

Guess time to get my weekly disappointment in

Havnt had a usable piece this tier yet

6 options each week all trash

Why yes i do in fact want another slot in my leggo

[short kiln]

so.... I think it's Shard here right? or is it shield?

[safe thistle]

if you got ksm or close to it i would take trinket and just boost a shield to 246

[visual wedge]

Depends… do u have scale?

[chrome falcon]

Shard is fucking stupid broken

[short kiln]

I feel like I'm going to have better shots at shields in the future. I have a 213 Scale from last season

[median tulip]

What're the new weekly affixes?

[visual wedge]

While true… I don’t think u should replace it over scale if there isn’t a ilvl gain.

And it’s coming from Gv

[zenith vigil]

shard 100%

can only get shard 1 place

can get many shields

[short kiln]

that was my thought process too Blue

[visual wedge]

I’d take shard imo but I also have a 197 scale and have farmed the shit out of dos

[chrome falcon]

Idk I would just take the shard, having played with it in keys for a bit I couldn't live without it

I'm just playing double on use in half my eyes now, scale and shard

[short kiln]

THAT good?

[zenith vigil]

its that good

[chrome falcon]

In some dungeons it's literally just an immunity

[short kiln]

well then.

[chrome falcon]

I did the ardenweald mega pull and it did 300k healing

In 8 seconds

[visual wedge]

WHAT

Really that broken!

?

[zenith vigil]

yes

its uncapped DR

[chrome falcon]

On that specific pull, yes

[zenith vigil]

in all m+ it's god tier

[chrome falcon]

It's an immunity vs most trash mobs

[visual wedge]

Aight who’s carrying me thru the raid then??

[short kiln]

well that pretty much seals that up then huh?

[visual wedge]

I need one

[zenith vigil]

just pug it?

[errant leaf]

Fortified raging

Wtf is that

[chrome falcon]

Easy

[visual wedge]

U mean the lfg finder that is filled with selling curve and need curve to do normal?

[severe temple]

Fort bolstering is worse

[median tulip]

What else?

[visual wedge]

Yeh.. not happening

[zenith vigil]

time to kite

[zenith vigil]

explosive

[chrome falcon]

Fort bolstering literally should not be in this fucking game ever

I can't believe they brought it back

[median tulip]

Thanks

[errant leaf]

Ye right

[chrome falcon]

Idk raging is a really easy affix, the only time you need to be scared is if you get Wicked Bolt'd after you leap away

[errant leaf]

Necrotic bolstering raging shouldnt be paired with fort

We gonna get fcking smashed by any magic dmgs

[chrome falcon]

Save SR

The last 30% of a mob's hp isn't much

Unless your dps are mongrels which I guess they might be if you live the puglife

[errant leaf]

Waiting for those juicy enraged shadow core without SR

[chrome falcon]

But if you do have SR

The shadowcore will do double damage

[errant leaf]

I do live that life

[chrome falcon]

Yoink

[safe thistle]

not a bad week but with explosive cant pull too big :/

[mellow bridge]

fortified raging

ugh

i hate that

[limpid anchor]

Guess I’m just gonna avoid dos this week

[vapid berry]

shit you kite anyways

[gloomy cradle]

Oh dear

Well at least everyone got some practice kiting at the end of pulls last week

[limpid anchor]

Kiting doesn’t help much if you can’t hit the orbs anymore

[gloomy cradle]

Don’t have to run to China to get out of melee range

[abstract forge]

Pelagos or Mykanikos guys?

[primal cape]

57 is mikanikos

can pelagos under 57, i only played with mikanikos

[zenith vigil]

korayn

[devout robin]

[blazing condor]

[devout robin]

[primal cape]

Let me report these guys

[sweet kayak]

🤣 🤣

[zinc anvil]

Is block rating important enough that I should consider a 6ilevel upgrade on a shield over a 19 ilevel upgrade on shoulders from my vault?

[plush tendon]

Team Niya

[zenith vigil]

korayn way better for m+

[primal cape]

im thinking about the best dps between mikanikos haste and niya crit

without looking at spear or anima field

[zenith vigil]

korayn has the crit

[primal cape]

15% haste for 10 sec versus 25% crit for 5 sec

[plush tendon]

all about dat crit

also, isnt Milk haste 3% stacking to 5%?

[chilly brook]

I mean

[plush tendon]

whereas Korayn is always 25% as long as you hit a new target 😛

[chilly brook]

What you're forgetting

Is 2 spears for every one Aftershock

[plush tendon]

boooo

[barren socket]

fortified and raging

what the fuck

[zenith vigil]

good times!

[patent osprey]

we did it team. Finally

[zenith vigil]

Yes.

what'd you get in your box @patent osprey

anything good?

[patent osprey]

252 dom socket chest :/ just a ilvl upgrade of one i alrady had

[coarse meadow]

hey guys i cant find the info, which shards should we use? i only have the frost shoulders tho

dont know if i should invest in upgrading frost shards

[zenith vigil]

dope i got a 233 OWS feels good man

[plush tendon]

[zenith vigil]

wowhead guide. look harder next time its right there 😛

[coarse meadow]

oh i always look on icy veins

my bad

[zenith vigil]

it's also

[coarse meadow]

lol i found it on pins, i should scroll more, thanks a lot

[chilly brook]

I mean BiS is BiS

[ionic fern]

Nature's Fury when?

[chilly brook]

I think you meant Elysian Might

[ionic fern]

It's also in IV

[patent osprey]

sorry going kyrian soon 😦 just to try it out

no NF

[patent osprey]

when KYR isn't a top shard, thats sad 😦

kyr is the Most OP shard

[coarse meadow]

lol true i was searching in the "Gems/enchants" section lol

and shit link sent me to a general shards page, non warrior only

[hollow sun]

decided to give a chance to a warlock for my halls 19

gets hit by the frost lt beam and pulls the gargoyles and hounds

leaves the party

[barren socket]

chad move

[ionic fern]

Look at the second shard list for m+.

[wild hemlock]

what a vault jesus

[patent osprey]

kyr is a top in every content! @ionic fern !

[strong forum]

You're a top in every content

[wild hemlock]

LOL

[patent osprey]

i dont like this new @strong forum

its being weird

and complimenting me

stop

[strong forum]

[patent osprey]

thats not our dynamic

[strong forum]

Hol up

[zenith vigil]

[strong forum]

I've heard it's bad from totally credible sources, 230+ hps and 400k+ absorb per dungeon isn't good

[patent osprey]

when Sanguine Depths Sentinel bleeds get fixed to how they were in S1, then i can really focus on NF

[zenith vigil]

[patent osprey]

until they unbreak what they broke, kyrian looking real good

[zenith vigil]

For a single dungeon?

[strong forum]

Bleeds fuck

[zenith vigil]

[strong forum]

Unavoidable ones especially

[zenith vigil]

b-but paladins exist

[strong forum]

Not in my game

[patent osprey]

esp when monks can force dodge those bleeds

[distant crystal]

can't you just line the sentinel bleed

[coarse meadow]

whats the best way to farm stygia ember? can i sill get them if im saved for a raid? i mean from normal NPCS, or maybe in BoE farm groups?

[patent osprey]

@distant crystal no, itll just fervent ur melee

[strong forum]

Only a once per week thing from raid clear

Afaik

[distant crystal]

hmm, is that new? i swear i was lining it a few weeks ago

[strong forum]

Can't endlessly grind ember afaik

[amber herald]

how can monks dodge sentinel bleeds?

[strong forum]

Turn around

Stack up dodge chance

Then face the ability once it comes

[ionic fern]

Wait, what did they brake with the bleeds?

[primal cape]

i always avoid sentinel bleeds with my war prot

stick to a wall, move at mid cast

[strong forum]

They made em unavoidable besides parry and dodge mwahi

[primal cape]

avoided

[ionic fern]

So you can't leap anymore?

[strong forum]

Nop

[ionic fern]

Huh, never noticed.

[amber herald]

skill detected

[strong forum]

It's like SoA first boss

[amber herald]

🔨

[primal cape]

lol

[bright flax]

you can leap, worth nothing 😦

[short apex]

Does NA already know the new affixes lads?

[strong forum]

Yes

#news

[distant crystal]

I wasn't running away when I did it

I was just going around a corner slightly

[strong forum]

You can still parry it

[distant crystal]

but, i guess that's broke now too eh

[coarse meadow]

lol i still try to move from that

[ionic fern]

I took them like a man and ->Dwarf Racial->Kyrian pot.

[strong forum]

You could never avoid it

It had accidentally 2 hits

[bright flax]

soa first boss cleave is avoidable now no?

[strong forum]

1 was avoidable

[coarse meadow]

then what they fixed?

[bright flax]

I swear I am avoiding it

[strong forum]

Like a few months back

March or Feb

You can't avoid it

It's infinite range

Guaranteed hit

Only dodge and parry work

[bright flax]

I mean 1st boss soa

[distant crystal]

it used to be a frontal that you could avoid right

[strong forum]

Yes

[coarse meadow]

and it hits hard

[distant crystal]

and it would allso clap melee

[strong forum]

You cant avoid it by running away

[coarse meadow]

i remember that

[distant crystal]

and now it's a sure-shot single target

[strong forum]

No you couldn't Waat

It was 2 hits accidentally

1 cone

1 guarantees hit

The cone should've never been a thing, was a bug

So if you didn't dodge the cone you took double dmg

[distant crystal]

well now i'm going into SD on 0 to see if I was just high or what

[strong forum]

But that was fixed like half a year ago

[bright flax]

I remember taking my paladin to a soa tyrannical and having to save everything for those hits

but now I sidestep them

[strong forum]

You can't

Sidestep

It does nothing

It always hits even if you're 40000 yards away

[amber herald]

I remember you could dodge it by watching the energy ticks and starting moving as the energy ticked up to 100

[coarse meadow]

blizzard accidentally coding abilities kek, color me surprised

[amber herald]

if you moved too soon or late the boss would just follow you and do its attack anyway

that's how I remember it being but it's a year ago now

[coarse meadow]

it can be blocked? i mean our block chance reduce its damage?

[amber herald]

yeah

[coarse meadow]

lol i was using rage for ignore pain

[bright flax]

I stand corrected

[strong forum]

You can parry, block and dodge it yes

But not sidestep

[amber herald]

yeah no more sidestep

[strong forum]

Y-...

[amber herald]

(skill detected)

[strong forum]

I'm tired of saying it

It did double dmg before the fix if you didn't sidestep

Emphasis on double

If you did sidestep, you still took dmg but only the accurate amount

[amber herald]

felt good when you dodged it though

[strong forum]

Ya I even have a clip if it

Thinking I sidestepped it

Week1 of m+

But then I watched it back

[bright flax]

ye going from 100 to 20 wasn't nice

[strong forum]

And I got hit, but it didn't feel like it hit

[amber herald]

also pretty easy to wander in the beam and get assfucked by that at the same time

[strong forum]

https://clips.twitch.tv/FastCovertTeaDAESuppy

This was my first SoA m+ ever

[bright flax]

that boss is very annoying, but I was waiting to dance, with an undanceable stuff all time, before moving them together

[strong forum]

So don't mind the dumb shit that I'm saying

This was pre-fix

You can clearly see in the end that I still took dmg from the "frontal"

[bright flax]

and more than in the previous occasion

[lavish oracle]

I think it was like 50% damage if you weren't standing in it

Now I think you just take full damage

[bright flax]

this is tip of the day for me lol

[strong forum]

200% vs 100% but yes

[lavish oracle]

however you want to characterize it, I suppose

[strong forum]

Just wanna make sure people understand that you don't take more dmg after the fix

[lavish oracle]

fair

[latent pier]

Is reprisal fine for raid?

I don't have the wall.

[distant crystal]

yep

it's preferred for a lot of fights iirc

[latent pier]

oh yeah?

I've only done M+ so far, do we just do booming + fray for raid?

[strong forum]

Ya

You only play Wall on the eye ( if you need to, shouldn't really need tho) and on sylv

[latent pier]

gotcha

why is heavy not good?

I figured it'd be good in raid

[coarse meadow]

man i only have access to winds of winter set and it sucks lol

[brave jetty]

Yeah, just gotta be careful about when you intervene, especially if you're like me and focus your off tank

[strong forum]

you dont tank for that long in raid

there are enough tank swaps in raid

playing HR will just give you useless uptime on SB

[brave jetty]

I used to run heavy on guardian too but you can do reprisal just fine there

[latent pier]

guess I'm immortal.

[mental scarab]

shard of bek is that % or number they mean?

[strong forum]

if it was number

it would be kinda stupid wouldnt it

youd have about 0.1% uptime on it

[mental scarab]

well

they do weird shit

[mighty valley]

yeah just compare your current health % against your target's

if you're at 100% and they're <50%, it's active

if you're at 70% they have to be <20%, etc

[mental scarab]

feels bad trading my big haste shoulders for dom shoulders with crit/mast

thanks

[strong forum]

im still rocking 226 CN shoulders

lol

[mighty valley]

Ended up having to take 252 m+ shoulders from the vault

[strong forum]

1.8% vers

hardcore gaming

[plush tendon]

I like how you gave your Vulpera blood shot eyes

Shouldve wore a helmet with some vers on it 😛

[zenith vigil]

Those rings

That neck

[strong forum]

try finding better ones

:^)

[zenith vigil]

Crit enchants

[strong forum]

ya and still 28% haste

[zenith vigil]

Ur gaming

G*ming

[strong forum]

ya but imagine playing the game

[jagged pier]

true

[chrome falcon]

Does anyone know how IP works with Shard?

[chilly brook]

I've been playing FFXIV tbh

[chilly brook]

Wdym

[chrome falcon]

I might be overthinking it but like

What happens first

The 50% reduction or the 8k reduction

[inland raft]

Nom you messed up, em should be crit vers for pumping in keys as arms

I know vers is a disease but sometimes you gotta bite the bullet

[chilly brook]

You're overthinking

But afaik IP gets eaten first

Or rather 50% gets eaten by IP the other 50% goes to the absorb

[wide token]

how bad am I trolling if I take Unstoppable force as opposed to ravager?

[zenith vigil]

very

very badly trolling

basically inting everyone you've ever come into contact with

[plush tendon]

you know how the Falcons had a 28-3 lead in Superbowl 51 with only like 12 min to play.... you're inting worse then them

[wide token]

ah yeah just simmed it

[zenith vigil]

you're basically a bad person and your mother would disown you if she knew

[wide token]

1k dps diff minimum

[zenith vigil]

im physically sick even reading it

even saying it almost got you banned by geneva convention

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/ZzhS6Z6.png

not terrible considering i accidentally ran ITF instead of ravager

LOL

[abstract forge]

Is that NW? I mean u used like all the weapons?

[strong forum]

totally

no was mists

with running elysian might

not terrible for a meme run

[hollow sun]

do you have logs of it? 😄

[strong forum]

ya ima upload it

[hollow sun]

[strong forum]

also have a vod since i streamed it

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bYKaDxtk7nNwQGvZ/#fight=last

[hollow sun]

you have a yt channel?

[strong forum]

nomeratur everywhere, youtube, twitch, insta, twitter

[hollow sun]

the spear does way more damage than AA

[zenith vigil]

pretty sure it doesn't

[strong forum]

it should do about equal

mikan + elysian might makes spear look ALOT bigger

cuz elysian might literally doubles its duration

i dont upload alot on youtube tho

[brave jetty]

I was running with reverb last week in M+ and I'll be honest I was underwhelmed

Probably bc Tyrannical week

But damn I felt lame on bosses