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#protection
visual wedge
the ones in the z'rali room?
strong forum
Idk who that is
visual wedge
the naaru
strong forum
Ya the 3 big ones
You stealth past them
Pretty sure thats perfect count
If you jump down at 76
And skip those 3
visual wedge
I mean u can but like they arent hard if u kite them back to the boss room instead of sitting in that little stretch of corridor
strong forum
Waste of time
visual wedge
i normally just do 69 and clear
then again im not pushing past a 15
So perhaps its smarter in 17s ad 18s
since dmg output is probably quite a lot from that overseer
strong forum
Is pretty much standard to skip those
Especially in S1 since you wanted 80% pride before 3rd boss
strong forum
Dedicated is a stretch
Moreso, I refuse to play the game unless it's with people I know
autumn pendant
So
jagged pier
Is pretty much standard to skip those
75% so u can skip the 3 pack at the end of the bridge
lyric relic
hey as a warrior you can leap those 3 mobs to skip them
jagged pier
no
lyric relic
save money on invis pots ez
visual wedge
am i the only one finding it impossible to pug a raid rn? Its either selling curve or need to curve to achieve curve runs like it makes no sense
lyric relic
save money on the invis pot you use when engi belt fails ez
visual wedge
like can i not just a pug a fresh normal and learn the boss fights?!
lyric relic
just post your own tbh, ppl will join
jagged pier
u mean CE to pug normal raids
lyric relic
just say AOTC lead and then pretend you know what you’re doing
visual wedge
I dont wanna wait 8 weeks to just see certain boss fights to learn how to tank em
visual wedge
just say AOTC lead and then pretend you know what you’re doing
bit hard when ur a tank
Just stand proud!
strong forum
Just stop being so honest
visual wedge
they will never know
lyric relic
hey man
strong forum
Be a cunt and widdle your way in there
visual wedge
i mean i can pay for curve right then pug heroics by linking curve
@lyric relic is a smart man
i just need 600k gold
lyric relic
just link the achievement and hope they don’t hover it
visual wedge
hm
shut shell
Just have to keep at it.
lyric relic
memes aside, yeah. you’ll just have to post it yourself most of the time
but people will sign up I promise
especially earlier in the week
safe thistle
i like booming voice in m+ maybe i should try back BSC but the little QoL from the rage on demend is nice
jagged pier
u already have enough rage
to use BV properly it need to be used on cd
so you will overcapp so much
visual wedge
Now ive stopped rage dumping into IP so much force of habit since i sucked on defesnive rotations and uptime im finding ive got so much rage to spare i can pretty much just spam revenge
safe thistle
which power you guys take off Oros ? i mean the 10% AoE reduced dmg on 10y is not that cool compared to others.... i though about the 10% dmg on interrupt on keys with high interrupt uptime or even the move for kite weeks
urban portal
All you really need is a tank
latent pier
and as few rag players as possible.
safe thistle
i teamed with amazing rag player
check score
best holy pally i played with is from rag
urban portal
Just have a higher standard
safe thistle
yah i just prefer to give them a chance as fair as others lol
urban portal
Getting a normal done should take 3 days max
Even if learning
Remnant isn't gonna be easy tho
It's almost as hard as huntsman
lyric relic
hot tip, sometimes it’s ok to slam ignore pain if you’re gonna overcap to make your avatar come off cooldown faster 
I also don’t recommend doing this unless you’re super sweaty trying to parse
latent pier
So IP isn't quite the God power it used to be is my read on this?
lyric relic
it’s good, just not efficient for the cost
some fights it’s your only mitigation this tier (outside shield wall obv) so it’s nice to have
for dots or magic hits
latent pier
Right
lyric relic
but you should have spell reflect as your magic dr for those too
latent pier
I haven't tried tanking the raid yet.
Might tomorrow try to get some heroic kills in.
War's still a bit of a rat.
lyric relic
it feels pretty comfy! eye makes me sad that not much is blockable
latent pier
How bad are pugs lately? Only been running with guild on the lock thus far.
hollow sun
i am just coming out of a heroic raid, no clue how you guys manage to enjoy that
it depends on the pug really
latent pier
I guess that answers that
obtuse monolith
I’ve never pugged H but N pugs are good right now. Lots of geared people who know fights trying to fill in dom slots
ruby oar
normal raids are great, you just have to join a decent group that runs for logs/dom
then you can easily 10/10 with no wipes
heroics are a shitshow usually
jagged pier
Who logs in normal?
lone hearth
I always feel in hc raids that prot warr taking srsly more dmg then all other tanks
karmic plinth
i log in normal 😔
jagged pier
I always feel in hc raids that prot warr taking srsly more dmg then all other ta...
Then u might be doing something wrong
Like a lot of the fights are blockable damage
Claim to fame today beat sense on mythic eye but 20dps
lone hearth
Do you use IP alot or not needed? I feel i must spam it to stay alive
modern brook
Are you using the shield
lone hearth
Aside from other cds and sb9cj
jagged pier
I hardly press ip
jagged pier
No honestly its probably your play
modern brook
Else use shield more zugzug
jagged pier
Its not a bad thing somthing u can fix with help from us
modern brook
Help from jakey*
jagged pier
This ones on u buff i gotta gonto bed go work in the morning
lone hearth
Im not sure if i have logs, will go check tomorrow im just reading here atm before sleep time
jagged pier
modern brook
This ones on u buff i gotta gonto bed go work in the morning
I'll always support you finally going to bed
lone hearth
To see what im fcking up badly
modern brook
Enjoy your 3 hours of sleep for the month
jagged pier
jagged pier
Sure
modern brook
To see what im fcking up badly
Lmao 
lone hearth
Gn all!
modern brook
Shouldn't have been a reply
lone hearth
Np
patent osprey
^.^
distant crystal
Polka
crimson furnace
paprika?
ivory elbow
poggers
blazing condor
Palkia
modern brook
Picka?
mellow bridge
how high should my CPM be in a raid fight 🤔
lunar jackal
thinking of going back kyrian for m+ since korayn's last trait is pretty dogshit for damage as it procs healing more often than not. Any high chads that can comment?
modern brook
Cpm also obviously is haste dependant
safe thistle
shield slam the life out off it.
mellow bridge
that was our first kill actually
idk I feel like having to do the ping pong dispells often costs me casts on remnant
only have one priest in our setup
and we didnt get to the lust burn so that affects it too i suppose
blazing condor
Me and my tank have yet to figure out a good way to handle the puddles it feels real weird at times
And idk if its healing but i cant sit with high stacks on me so they gotta be dispelled a lot
undone verge
Cus it takes 10 min to get back there
Long fights are annoying to progress. Fights like guardian are the best 1 phase, quick fights
obtuse monolith
Sylvanas is an epic fight design for the whole experience… if prog wasn’t a thing. Especially when P3 is basically the fight.
latent pier
Part 1 is just facepalming as your healer opens their mouth and eats a giant spike every pull
zenith vigil
I feel like if you successfully complete a phase like 15 times
You shouldn't have to do it again that week on that diff
on a tier endboss
chilly brook
Sylvanas is a good fight design
The downside is that you probably play with a bunch of melee brains which means you're progging on the fight longer than you should be and it negatively affects your impression of the fight
Like sure p1.5 is meh but the rest of the fight is fine
safe thistle
sylvanas is a 2 lust fight..... but it deserved at least that as a lore boss fight
uneven mason
Sylvanas another Danathrius in length?
another "lets spend 7 minutes repeating 2 super easy phases before you get to the real fight?"
latent pier
That's really the kind of fight that weeds out the healers that don't pay attention. >.>
hollow sun
Denatrius fight was very cool, much better than sylvanas
short apex
Lads, were starting Mythic eye tmrw/today, what does our gameplay look like on him? I've read you rly dont want to press shieldblock, pump rage into IP and rotate CD's for Deathlink?
mellow bridge
You don't really need much for death link
You can have demo shout for every single one, add one or two IPs and you're gucchi
We did the 18-2 split strat so I used my def CDs when I had high stacks of the dot and for p3 when the heal immunity starts coming in
fierce relic
Spell reflect the piercing gaze or whatever it's called from both Eye and the mini Eye
fierce relic
Oh, I stand corrected
sturdy sable
Because why would we be able to use our mitigation tools on a raid boss
short apex
So you never want to use shieldblock on the boss?
Perma IP and demo/maybe cds for deathlink
safe thistle
SR work for the magic reduction part though its still 20% less magic dmg taken for duration
short apex
Yeah ik
just wondering if i legit should unbind shieldblock since if its useless i dont wanna press it out of habit
hollow sun
it still makes your shield slam do more damage
mellow bridge
just wondering if i legit should unbind shieldblock since if its useless i dont ...
The only use for SB on that fight is for when you're tanking the angel add that tries to drag down people
hollow sun
well yeah, it was to say to not unbind it
fringe marten
we can hLeap over the full spike wall on mythic painsmith yeah?
Heard you could also leap through spike balls but that never mattered..but mythic painsmith will matter next week so =\
uh..and no, 30% increase in damage on shield slam..with the possibility to get a couple casts (with a reset) out of it, is pretty solid for 30 rage IMO. Plus it's an off GCD rage spender so you're going to heal for 3% of your HP from it, and bring down the CD of avatar/wall (if running Anger mans)
so yeah, I think using shield block on eye is worth..but not for defensive purposes unless taking the undead angel add.
I'm also the guy that likes to go on 'feelcraft' most of the time though, rarely do I look at logs or parses or sims unless I really give a crap about trying to parse for a specific fight...so take that as you will.
sturdy sable
That's barely worth the rage if at all
Iirc a block is more damage then the revenge(s) it would cost in rage if you can get 2 slams during its duration
But i have no math to back that up just what ive read here
modern brook
3 slams in the duration would be more damage than 1 revenge
its also a false equivlency
modern brook
you cant revenge during a gcd
sturdy sable
Yeah i figured block being off gcd and essentially just a damage amp would come into play
Eye is such an outlier i dont bother thinking about it much tbh
modern brook
the point being blcok isnt competeing with revenge for rage
so theres no real comparison
pale gust
so yeah, I think using shield block on eye is worth..but not for defensive purpo...
You cant hleap spikes
sturdy sable
Well specifically while fighting eye it kind of does considering you wouldnt cast block for any other reason (baring adds) than damage
Or to burn rage
fringe marten
You can leap over the spike walls..but NOT the balls.
..I am probably going to have to change to night fae because of this. jesus christ
modern brook
iunno what you're talking about but no you wont :^)
fringe marten
eh? yeah I will..otherwise you have to have 2 bops to just eat spike ball walls.
(think you're still talking to Dosequis?)
fringe marten
Sigh...can't 100% just rely on raid to bop me and force them to do that (we do have 2 pallies) I'm gonna' have to go fae.
thorn remnant
We able to solo tank any of the normal/heroic Sanctum bosses?
fringe marten
I think solo tanking sylvanas would be..pretty easy on normal? healers would have to be solid'ish
You can probably get through solo tanking normal Terragrue if you take tank /DR powers...you die at the end but that's not much diff than usual.
Fatescribe normal you can solo tank
(healers can heal through the dot on raid effortlessly)
lunar jackal
for m+ do we take booming voice if we go mikanikos?
obtuse monolith
What’s your damage mix w Mika tho? +20% from BV every spear must be more than +20%/50% on revenge? Close?
modern brook
sim it
wide pilot
On the last boss of hoa do you take more dmg soaking 2 beams?
fringe marten
M+ is very difficult to get any kind of comparative numbers on (from real world activity) but for the first couple nights of mikanikos I ran BV+Mik and I seemed to do more overall dps in most dungeons than I do going back to BSC. That being said..BSC has other benefits as well; the stronger revenge the moment you touch the pack you're pulling, and then better overall 'threat' after your spear burst window is gone basically.
But to say it does more dps overall, you'd have to get such a specific set of conditions to really test that effectively..basically an MDI group could do it LOL. (During the mdi prep)
(and that stronger revenge on the pack you pull, matters...if you run keys with big pumpers early threat on each pull is an actual issue)
candid inlet
If I run devastator, it's basically expected that I'll have some empty globals right?
inland raft
A few but not many
jagged pier
What’s your damage mix w Mika tho? +20% from BV every spear must be more than +2...
Its not close someone asked the other day, BSC is 500 more dps for me, remeber the more spear casts means u get far far more revenges out over a dungeon
lunar jackal
True ^
obtuse monolith
Good to know. Feels weird to global DS then avatar/spear for burst anyway, especially if you’re trying to get aggro going.
BV still better for raid of course
thorn sparrow
For reference you can leap over the spiked balls, you just have to jump first and leap while you are in the air. I do it every set. It's painful if you don't time it right.
patent osprey
For reference you can leap over the spiked balls, you just have to jump first an...
it has nothing to do with jumping first. Just make sure there are 2-3 squares between u and the spike ur leaping over. also leap in a straight line
thorn sparrow
Well there you go. Thanks pika.
bold bolt
how much haste is to much? i am sitting around 30%~
jagged pier
41% unbuffed
bold bolt
i see tyvm
crimson furnace
36% unbuffed
crimson furnace
same 😦
orchid frigate
typical pug experience
then
just goes to show how quick ppl are to blame the tank
opal pulsar
On the last boss of hoa do you take more dmg soaking 2 beams?
Yep dude if you soak 2 beam you got 2x more dmg but its easyer to heal 2 guys with 2 beams than 4 guys with 1 beam
and if you use your cd corectly you take litteraly 0 dmgs :)
blazing condor
Just watch out for the Stigma of Pride dot
So it dont overlap the last seconds with beams and you have no cds
opal pulsar
So it dont overlap the last seconds with beams and you have no cds
yep it urt af for war tank :)
subtle tulip
On the last boss of hoa do you take more dmg soaking 2 beams?
I also just learned that you can telegraph his statue tosses by looking at which direction the statue faces... rip.
gaunt dawn
also if you push before he moves any statues, middle is safe
blazing condor
yeah you can just stand under him when he pulls all statues to him
also when he pushes them away
and then double soak easily that way
zenith vigil
Just don't forget to jump out when he does the succccc circle
rotund parcel
remnant of ner'zhul suffering. the hitbox for the orbs right. will the suffering hit anything in his hitbox + the frontal?
feels super forgiving.
violet tundra
Yes, as long as the orb touches his hitbox it will get destroyed
Helm is also usually positioned to snipe a far away orb
brisk sparrow
can somebody give me advice on the last talent row please - I will mostly go for m+ so I see AM in the wowhead guide, bolster in the tanknotes and the top players mostly palying heavy repercussions 😄
so which one should I typically aim for?
or is it just preference in the end?
violet tundra
Reprisal with HR is basically 100% shield block uptime so it feels like the safest bet
brisk sparrow
i see that is what I kinda thought, I just thought it is odd to not be in the guides^^
zenith vigil
i see that is what I kinda thought, I just thought it is odd to not be in the gu...
It's because regular players are not top io players
For the average player, AM is the most necessary and useful
A 24 key and a 15 could not be more different
And shit, loads of players don't even time 15s
blazing condor
best io people use HR because they need to
the extra 10% block uptime is crucial at those levels
for anything lower than 24/25s its not
but its a comfortable build to play
strong forum
It's moreso that plka can be a bit more focused on calling instead of his own gameplay
blazing condor
but if not on that level it just ends up being a comfy dps loss
zenith vigil
It's moreso that plka can be a bit more focused on calling instead of his own ga...
Next 3 warriors run it too
but maybe they're just copying the ascended god gamer himself
strong forum
Usually it's 1 person running it and then people saying "every top guy is running it" so I specifically said plka
ionic fern
Honestly run which ever. Both work with Reprisal as long as it's used correctly.
strong forum
For me? Its making @jagged pier tank for me
strong forum
BTW I need weekly key today or tomorrow te-he 😜
jagged pier
i guess mwahis in as well
ionic fern
I need one too.
zenith vigil
For the superior gamers
ionic fern
jagged pier
can fit one in before raid
jagged pier
today before raid or tomorrow after work
fringe marten
You fuckin' scrubs..we were supposed to do the 4 prot warrior key
like a 15/16 whatever.
jagged pier
i mean we had all 4 of the SFs in a key last week
jagged pier
which is actually scam as u can SR cold snap and carnage
so the torment mobs do nothing
zenith vigil
which one is cold snap
fringe marten
oros coldheart
jagged pier
it goes on dps not tanks
fringe marten
Is that the circle? you can force it on tank if the tank runs up WAY ahead of the group, the first one anyway
fringe marten
and with carnage you sit in the circle when someone runs 'out' with it..(intervene them/SR)
jagged pier
no
i just mean if your a dps warrior
u can
or seem to
i think u can die by it as well if your arms
fringe marten
if you intervene the carnage cast, it should go to you..if its an 'on hit' effect and be able to reflect it.
Or do you have to SR as it's b eing cast?
My favorite (and by that I mean ..thing I hate) mini game to play is the typing minigame in pugs on the 'manastorms' in DoS..
"REFLECT First frostbolt"
gets insta kicked
"REFLECTING NEXT"
jagged pier
i dont even bother trying
fringe marten
ALSO Insta kicked
rugged mural
Route question for DoS. Better to go right at start and wrap around to Ardenweld to get an extra DPS power (Skipping Nechagon mini boss) for all the trash, or to just go left first and avoid the backtracking?
ivory elbow
That has happens to me on discord when i call it followed by awkward silience @fringe marten
Tilt is real when that happens 🤣
fringe marten
? I just go right around the ring..and get the 3 powers.. the only downside is if you wipe in ardenweald or mechagon..you respawn in front of ardenweald..until you enter zul gurub.
If I was in a group of guildies, and called "I got reflect next" and it got kicked...dude.. a STERN letter is being written to someone~
ionic fern
Just ping me @strong forum @jagged pier if today or tomorrow. Maybe @sweet summit needs one as well. 👀
fringe marten
..I'm gonna' be sad if I have to swap to Night fae for painsmith. We will have 3 pallies in raid; so I shouldn't have to.
Gonna' do some prog next week, and if they want me to I'm gonna' have to.
fringe marten
Why's that?
The prog is when the muscle memory is built, when the pace of the fight is kinda' set with the group you have. If we have to bench the dps paladin or whatever..or it's too much strain on heals/whatevs..I'll have to swap to fae early so it's just taken care of.
zenith vigil
"REFLECTING NEXT"
Just macro your spell reflect with a yell
sweet summit
Need 2
rotund parcel
so i got a weakaura that announces my reflect going up and then ittl also announce whatever it reflects + how much damage that reflect did
to help the kickers learn how much of a damage loss kicking is
ionic fern
so i got a weakaura that announces my reflect going up and then ittl also announ...
Wild. I don't even watch the chat when i do keys.
zenith vigil
I don't read chat but I do read chat bubbles
Unless I'm really getting pounded and need to watch my feet/kite
subtle tulip
Unless I'm really getting pounded and need to watch my feet/kite
oof glad I got the context 😉
strong forum
:gachibass:
subtle tulip
kek
brisk sparrow
thank you everyone for the advice on hr earlier, I had to go afk and missed thanking you!
subtle tulip
What kind of comps do you guys like to run when pugging 18+ Keys?
blazing condor
doesnt reeeally matter to me as long as i got BL/BR
Fotm classes are usually played by worse players in my experience
subtle tulip
Ive been running 17s with a dps monk and holy pala and its feels great.
plush tendon
What kind of comps do you guys like to run when pugging 18+ Keys?
Whatever class the bois online are playing
plush tendon
WW pretty cool
blazing condor
Boomies have nice utility
plush tendon
yea, but Boomies are now Venthyr brain
blazing condor
Hpal if played by a good player is nice
subtle tulip
Boomies have nice utility
One of my irl Friends is boomie, but does literally 2k less dps on trash than me as tank lol.
subtle tulip
Boss melt like no other ofc
plush tendon
Boomies do jack all outside CDs
subtle tulip
So you saying i should pull the DoS patrol with the warlord pack? Kekw
plush tendon
granted, in DoS you should make a beeline to Ardenweald for executionar
but we pulled the pack in front of Ardenweald zone all together plus the mask
subtle tulip
But then boomie has no Cd for urn or either the Boss xy right?
plush tendon
well, we either lust or shroud past the very first pull in DoS; then we pull everything in front of the entrance to Ardenweald (big caster pack) plus the pathing mask onto the urn
thats where our boomie knows to use Frenzy
and we dont do the first pack in DoS if we can skip, cause then we do it with Muzala after we get big haste buff 😄
subtle tulip
Oh shit that sounds like a gameplan.
plush tendon
All im going to say, being aggressive in pulling can actually be safer then being timid
subtle tulip
But not something i can try with a pug boomie i guess
subtle tulip
All im going to say, being aggressive in pulling can actually be safer then bein...
Yea esp with boomies i get your point
plush tendon
Its the same for all classes
so much damage, healing, and tankiness for most classes are tied to CDs
so you gotta make the most of em
plus you save so much time
on our 18 DoS we ended up at Muzala with 12 mins on the timer XD
plush tendon
so we went for the trash+boss pull and wiped, but still timed cause we had the extra time to try it out
subtle tulip
So when pulling caster pack + patrol to the urn do you as tank just run past the urn and down the stairs to get them all insider the urn circle
plush tendon
gotta let it rip sometimes ya know 🙂
west walrus
Hello there, isn't Shield Block supposed to block all melee hits from a dungeon enemy ? ( I have 128% blocking chance with buff)
plush tendon
So when pulling caster pack + patrol to the urn do you as tank just run past the...
so the real reason why we did that, was because the mask was pathing up to the urn XD
subtle tulip
Yea sometimes he Just right next to the urn and its easy pull, but i have it framed in my mind like when the patrol is up top with the casters. Whats the best way to drag Them to the urn
blazing condor
Hello there, isn't Shield Block supposed to block all melee hits from a dungeon ...
As long as you are facing the mobs it should block yes.
subtle tulip
Hope and pray dps interrupts and kite them down to the urn i guess
plush tendon
well a boomie solarbeam would do it
you just gettting initial aggro and spell reflecting also works
and then just leaping back or something
and you run with a monk, so he could ring things that are just outside the urn radius
gotta use dem buttons
subtle tulip
Ye sick, ill try this out sooner or later and give you the status report on how it went!
west walrus
As long as you are facing the mobs it should block yes.
Ty i will analyse what I am doing wrong 🙂
plush tendon
Ye sick, ill try this out sooner or later and give you the status report on how ...
good luck! its gonna be fun
but make sure you go over the plan with your buddies
blazing condor
Ty i will analyse what I am doing wrong 🙂
If you want some help you can always log a run and we can take a look at it 🙂
subtle tulip
but make sure you go over the plan with your buddies
Im gonna continue to pug, recruit on my discord and proceed to yell: Fuk it we, we doing it live! Whilst ass pulling on the get go.
plush tendon
: ^)
subtle tulip
Hello there, isn't Shield Block supposed to block all melee hits from a dungeon ...
Best is to link some logs for some people to look at :)
maiden ravine
The race part of the protection warrior guide is bugged out on wowhead
I wonder if it caused llarold physical pain to have to write a venthyr section
empty spindle
What are people these days kyrian or night fae 👀
jagged pier
whatever they prefer
strong forum
Kyrian is more popular but both are basically identical in terms of performance, only real differences are soulshape vs potion and tether vs knockdown
visual wedge
I feel like the potion is to good to trade for some mobility..
dark lark
I'm only kyrian because my group needs it
violet violet
What are everyone’s thoughts on using dreaweaver soulbind for raid tanking?
plush tendon
What are people these days kyrian or night fae 👀
NF gang!
plush tendon
What are everyone’s thoughts on using dreaweaver soulbind for raid tanking?
Probably not terrible, but I like Niya for raid
maiden ravine
RIP to those who want condemn for dps specs but tank weekly 15s.
candid inlet
Should I be using my CDs offensively to improve key times?
Ie if SW is off cd I should pull bigger?
(affix permitting)
violet violet
Are you in discord with the group?
Cause pulling big is only really beneficial if you know your dps have cds
A big pull with no dps cds takes a long time
empty spindle
I’m NF atm but switching back to Kyrian because I enjoy PVP
violet violet
And possibly not worth it
maiden ravine
As a tank I love making friends with dps with 1 min CDs or shorter
cause who has time for the 2min cd types. 😛
violet violet
True
candid inlet
I'm usually in call with 2 dps
violet violet
Then yeah I’d say go for it if one of them has cds ready
candid inlet
Okay cool
maiden ravine
Tank CD means go big and let dps clean up the mess usually. Bears with incarnation, DH with meta ready, stuff like that
violet violet
For big pulls I usually go around gathering like normal with charge/tc/revenge and pop scale once they’re pretty well-gathered to put up more initial threat, then shield wall once everything is in place and hitting you
candid inlet
And it should be shield wall and shield block right?
Or should I use shield wall like bolster last stand
candid inlet
True
maiden ravine
I need to craft reprisal
I made the thunderclap one before I gave up on my warrior
violet violet
And can always kite then charge back in if you want a few seconds to recharge more SB
Reprisal is fun as hell
And incredibly strong
candid inlet
Also I've seen people swap to BSc/into the fray/heavy reprecautions
Is that just for reprisal gameplay/SB uptime?
zenith vigil
that's for max shield block uptime
for single target/super high M+ keys where you need shield block nearly constantly
wild hemlock
god i wish reprisal was base line or a talent holy shit
hardly even get to test other legos in m+ lol
candid inlet
So for someone doing 15s the normal DS/Rav/angerman is probably better right?
plush tendon
god i wish reprisal was base line or a talent holy shit
I mean, a lot of us agree
could make it a talent, give us AM baseline or something to compensate 😛
or vice versa
hollow sun
i know a lot of people dislike the chargeweaving but its makes the spec much more dynamic to play
intervene now has a use
wild hemlock
i legit might roll another tank after shadowlands if warriros go back to pre-reprisal
plush tendon
Reprisal just fixes the issue with Prot at the start of SL, which was SB uptime. The free Revenge was icing on the cake
wild hemlock
i know a lot of people dislike the chargeweaving but its makes the spec much mor...
it just gives us so much function, defensive, damage, threat
DK here we come post shadowlands haha
or hopefully they fix pally a little as well. i was pally before this expac. hated pally at the start
hollow sun
no but i don't mean as from a Sb uptime viewpoint, on that we all agree
i am saying that its just fun to use
i tried pally but
wild hemlock
i am saying that its just fun to use
it would feel so empty without it
hollow sun
hmm
wild hemlock
i got my pally to like 195 ilvl and havent touched him since lol
hollow sun
i am not saying that its easy, but i feel like i am shashing my keyboard while playing it
wild hemlock
ive been thinking about switching him to venthyr for some big pulls in dungeons just for fun
hollow sun
its fun at the beginning, but then it falls very quickly
wild hemlock
but damn warrior+reprisal feels so good
hollow sun
i am basically a warrior boomer. I can't play anything else
ionic fern
Other Legendaries are just "press x and it buffs/reduces the cd of something". Reprisal actually changes the gameplay which is great. I still don't like it tho and would much rather they fixed the base class.
hollow sun
guardian is boring, paladin is boring, dk feels clunky, dh has no buttons
the only one left is brewmaster to try
wild hemlock
i could honestly see a little tank overhaul after this expac. tank play is low already
most tanks have played damn near the same for ages
tank classes*
ionic fern
It's lower by default already due to raids only needing 2 tanks.
wild hemlock
i would legit sub til i died if they made a shammy tank lol
plush tendon
Tank play has always been low
wild hemlock
ele is my main
hollow sun
i don't think its necessarily a bad thing, its the core gameplay that is not fun for me
plush tendon
Since like the start of the game
wild hemlock
Tank play has always been low
ah didnt know that
hollow sun
like, look at assasination rog, legit the same since cataclysm i think
visual wedge
Other Legendaries are just "press x and it buffs/reduces the cd of something". R...
Whats wrong with the class? Obviously for me to learn whats wrong, i could still be playing prot wrong
Coming from a DPS view who has now moved to main tanking i dont honestly find much wrong with the class, i quite like how it plays right now
hollow sun
still super fun to play
ionic fern
It's the tiring realisation that after the expansion ends and all the borrowed powers we were granted to make up for the shortcomings of the class are taken away we are going to go back to the same old issues.
wild hemlock
idk how to describe
wild hemlock
It's the tiring realisation that after the expansion ends and all the borrowed p...
he speaks way better than i do
visual wedge
i did not feel the class was "clean" until reprisal
it moved like sludge instead of water :P
visual wedge
It's the tiring realisation that after the expansion ends and all the borrowed p...
I haven't played prot warrior pre borrowed power so perhaps this is why
hollow sun
perhaps they will turn it into a talent, forcing us to choose between reprisal ad anger management
wild hemlock
but i really was scared for the class when i was doing keys before reprisal lmao
wild hemlock
perhaps they will turn it into a talent, forcing us to choose between reprisal a...
dont you dare say that
maiden ravine
I haven't tried reprisal, I just know I didn't enjoy 9.0 prot
wild hemlock
really wish i played war in BFA lol
wild hemlock
i did the first raid in BFA and quit lol
hollow sun
i had no idea i should look at shield block uptime
wild hemlock
came back in 8.3 at the end and had the most fun of my life on my prot pally with TD
hollow sun
or i had no idea that logs were a thing
i went for leech and TD rank 5
and i was spending my echoes to buy vessels to go inside visions to get a 475 il item 
wild hemlock
lolololll im so sorry
ionic fern
Whats wrong with the class? Obviously for me to learn whats wrong, i could still...
Dead talents, mandatory talents, bad Mastery design, rage generation issues,dead abilities,lackluster mitigation uptime without said mandatory talents- to just mention a few base class problems.
Half of these issues are fixed right now by Reprisal.
wild hemlock
thats painful to read
hollow sun
i hope they introduce some kind of baseline war banners, like in mop
visual wedge
Dead talents, mandatory talents, bad Mastery design, rage generation issues,dead...
What about reintroducing stances?
hollow sun
that fits a lot the prot warrior theme for me
as prot warrior you will always stay in defensive stance
it won't really change anything
the only time you changed stance was to use retaliation or recklesness
ionic fern
I would like stances/banners back. Class flavour and what not - but make them meaningful not just "i'm prot,i'm sitting in defensive stance 24/7". Gladiator Stance for example where it provided you with Shield Charge.
plush tendon
noooo, please no stance dance
banner yes, stance dance booo
but Glad stance as a CD would be cool for raid tanking
like a not tanking boss damage option
like boomy owl weaving
hollow sun
i heard a lot about gladiator stance. What was it exactly?
maiden ravine
Experimental dps spec
safe thistle
meuhhh feel like druid cat weaving
maiden ravine
Better than catweave
Basically you did WoD prot tanking rotation but rage dump was heroic strike
I'd be all for a 4th warrior spec just to fill the shield dps niche
10.0 is gonna be something big I hope. I'd almost rather 4th specs than just tinkers
plush tendon
how bout same number of specs, but they make positive changes to what they have 😄
safe thistle
why bring another calss when mythic is cap at 20
distant crystal
is a shield dps really needed?
plush tendon
is a shield dps really needed?
I wants a Shield and Spear!
maiden ravine
Needed? Probably not, but it's something people like
plush tendon
I dont think the game needs more specs; I think they need to find niches for some specs (looking at you Survival and Feral) and some healer identity
maiden ravine
Number of specs or classes will never really change what's considered meta. Ff14 has 4 tanks amd and 3 healers and those still have meta and non meta
hollow sun
i would rather them add stuff to the existing specs
well
a cool spec would be like an alchemist
plush tendon
I think right now, the only spec class that has pretty good parity are tanks
hollow sun
that kind that can create constructs and weapons from the elements
kinda like in full metala lchemist
plush tendon
each tank has nice niche and does pretty well in their own right
maiden ravine
So at this point I'm over trying to appease meta chasers, make more things, let us have fun
plush tendon
Healers are in a weird spot where HPals have made all other healers second class citizens
maiden ravine
Nah, disc is there too
plush tendon
Still a second class citizen
maiden ravine
The issue is WoW is scared to go the route where all healers have really good passive dps
Healers can't have their niche be dps
maiden ravine
Kyrian disc is good too
plush tendon
But I also look at Holy Priest and MW and druid to some extent and wonder, what the hell do you guys do
maiden ravine
But give me shaman tank, ranged DPS paladin, blood mage healer, let's mix stuff up
hollow sun
you use druid till 21-22 then you reroll cause your dps is not enough anymore
plush tendon
Im not a healer, nor have I ever played a healer spec to any sort of meaningful degree, but those specs seem to have no clear niche that sets them apart
The one time Holy Priest was good was on Sunking, the most free Mythic fight ever
maiden ravine
Rdruid and hpriest are through put healers
hollow sun
well, i can talk about druid. The niche of the druid is the utility
maiden ravine
But that's like being a super tanky tank who can't dps
hollow sun
soothe, roots, cyclone, a wide range of dispels, mob displacement with typhoon. But like, if your group has a good composition these things can be provvided by others
plush tendon
But thats just the utility of bringing a druid
maiden ravine
And any warrior brings shout haha
smoky wave
But give me shaman tank, ranged DPS paladin, blood mage healer, let's mix stuff ...
Bandage spec warrior please. With shouty buffs.
snow harbor
Hay someone go help with my tbc question :) 💜
hollow sun
there is a chanel for that
snow harbor
I know I posted in it but it's very crickets most of the time lol
jagged pier
tribal nebula
dumb question for peeps that play Prot Warri and Vengeance DH which one would you say is "easier"?
I can't get myself to decide which one I should try to tank M+ with
jagged pier
veng is a far easier to tank
tribal nebula
the only thing that really got me thinking about Prot warrior is that the DPS specs seem way more fun
chilly brook
Neither are particularly difficult
blazing condor
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to Understand Protection Warrior…
jagged pier
🤔
blazing condor
I cba to rewrite the entire copypasta
tribal nebula
I know you charge around a lot since you get Shieldblock from Reprisal
but the self healing isn't really a lot?
maiden ravine
Bandage spec warrior please. With shouty buffs.
Support specs are either useless or mandatory. I don't know how Blizzard balances that but could be cool to see.
chilly brook
Honestly the entire difficulty curve of prot is knowing what can be blocked and what can't per dungeon and how to use your toolkit to supplement the non blockable damage
tribal nebula
so basically
blazing condor
Prot warrs dont have self healing but we make up for it by simply just not taking as much damage because of our mitigation
tribal nebula
get hit and learn from it
chilly brook
Kinda ye
tribal nebula
fair enough
chilly brook
General rule of thumb if it swings, shoots or throws it can be blocked
Unless its DoS
maiden ravine
I like druid as a good middle ground between trying to upfront block it and healing afterwards
Warrior I feel so empty not having self healing
chilly brook
Because for some reason blizzard thought skeletons with sword=magic damage
tribal nebula
but druid is so boring ngl
maiden ravine
I find warrior more boring
strong forum
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to Understand Protection Warrior…
Need to stick em in your butt hole morty. WAAAAAY up there
halcyon shard
CRINGE @strong forum
tribal nebula
there have been alot of scams going around lately
safe thistle
why did you delete it i was about to enter my pin number sigh....
spiral mason
Dicord > discord
strong forum
🚓
tribal nebula
I guess I'll just stick to finishing leveling my warrior
Think the fun part starts once I got to do more than just press dps buttons
wild hemlock
I'd be all for a 4th warrior spec just to fill the shield dps niche
just make a shaman tank blizz
jagged pier
^^
blazing condor
I turned myself into a raid boss Morty
wild hemlock
its honestly brainless class design. active def is rock/molten shield forming around you
modern brook
Better take is remove tanking completelt
zenith vigil
we New World now?
strong forum
fuck no
chilly brook
We need a mail tank
We need a cloth tank
hollow vortex
pretty sure there was a shield dps spec at one point
chilly brook
pretty sure there was a shield dps spec at one point
Gladiator stance prot warrior
I want it back
hollow vortex
yeah. would be nice
dreamy rain
Gladiator stance prot warrior
oh my gawd! it was not good in terms of dps but it was so fkn fun to play!
stark sage
it was good for dps very briefly
chilly brook
oh my gawd! it was not good in terms of dps but it was so fkn fun to play!
It was
Until blizz nerfed prot to compensate
dreamy rain
are u guys sure? maybe i only play the "nerf" version of it
chilly brook
And then left it in the gutter because so many dps woyers cried about having to play prot
stark sage
yeah pretty much
chilly brook
stark sage
all the dps players were scared being forced to play prot
chilly brook
Oh did I forget to mention they then used the fact that no one played glad stance as an excuse to remove it?
Like duh of course no one plays it when it's been nerfed into the ground lol
stark sage
also the old style of loot didnt lend well to glad warrior
a dps spec needing armor caused some weird loot distribution
like actual tanks getting pissed that the dps warrior got their shield
or armor trinket
chilly brook
like actual tanks getting pissed that the dps warrior got their shield
Who played warrior tanks tho
stark sage
pallies too tho
chilly brook
Those exist?
stark sage
and just any tank that wanted armor trinkets
chilly brook
dreamy rain
they could bringt it back along with artefact weapons, problem solved
stark sage
i mean it can come back now with personal loot
chilly brook
I just remember blood dk and BrM being in a fantastic spot in WoD
Blood literally soloing raid bosses
stark sage
my guild ran bdk + protwar
but yeah bdk was disgusting
chilly brook
And I miss my chi explosion on BrM
stark sage
basically invincible, did almost as much dps as real dps specs
like wasnt uncommon for our bdk to be in the top5 on the meters
stark sage
yea
stark sage
chilly brook
I'd legit still be tanking raids if tanks did better damage
chilly brook
play paladin?
I'm allergic to dying to auto attacks
I legit tried playing paladin
chilly brook
I felt you need some strong healers in order to actually make it worth, not necessarily in terms of being carried by healers but rather just having healers that are mechanically skilled enough to adjust to the spikes that pally can take
Maybe I was just ass
strong forum
defo the ass
chilly brook
But I also was at least afaik rotationally sound from the log review I had
brittle owl
you have wog for the spikes
chilly brook
WoG is kinda intermittent
brittle owl
it is
but you can also bank 2 charges
in anticipation for spikes or windows without AD/GoAK
or sera
chilly brook
Idk there were times where I was just bleeding out on painsmith
After tank mechanic
chilly brook
Like I said I just didnt particularly feel like it was a good fit for our healing team
BrM was comfy tho
brittle owl
well brm is always comfy, by default
at least you can make your gameplay be noticeable now
chilly brook
Now I just slap things with a sword
brittle owl
👏
brittle owl
arms superior woyer dps spec
jagged pier
i blood set damage different for other tanks my cotank has the same lvl shard yet his blood set does far more than mine
looks like its crits and his link isnt going on orbs
with shields
rancid ember
Feelsgood when Bloodset procs during Syvlanas transition from P2 - P3 for that 1 whole global
lavish oracle
Maybe you're not as sensitive to the like fraction of second downtime as I am
But I just like mash buttons and if I do that on arms I rage starve
ionic fern
Just make a dummy keybind that has no ability behind it and smash it.
jagged pier
i mean if u have down time u just charge weave
chilly brook
i blood set damage different for other tanks my cotank has the same lvl shard ye...
Scales on vers too iirc
ionic fern
Scales on vers too iirc
So does this Discord. When ever someone mentions Vers the scale of the people talking about it becomes huge.
chilly brook
So does this Discord. When ever someone mentions Vers the scale of the people ta...
Vers is the best stat amirite
zenith vigil
So does this Discord. When ever someone mentions Vers the scale of the people ta...
one time, in s3 bfa
chilly brook
one time, in s3 bfa
S4
ocean yoke
is there a list of abilities that proc blood link? got some guildies talking about it for their classes and wanted to pull mine to compare
ocean yoke
or at least activate on the target then
chilly brook
Or at least that's what the paladin in our raid says
ocean yoke
yeah it puts the thing on and then does i was just using wording from some of their posts
our frost mage posted a thing showing how it doesnt activate on basically any of their frost spells
lavish oracle
I mean vers is still a good stat, arguing about whether or not it's the best is pointless, though
Not like we're gonna be getting 60% vers any time soon this xpac
chilly brook
I haven't gotten the chest piece to even try it out
ocean yoke
yeah we were doing the glory achievements yesterday and our mage was fucking around for healing parses and kept trying to use blood link but could only activate it with fire blast and arcane explosion lol
ionic fern
jagged pier
not very
visual wedge
In HOA what anima power do u take? 15% reduced magic, shield or leech?
jagged pier
i take 15%
visual wedge
i feel like magic dmg is a no brainer cause of all the magic dmg but idk if thats the right call
jagged pier
but its up to u really
visual wedge
the magical one comes from the breaker next to the 3rd boss
the actual anima power just minuses 15% magic dmg
safe thistle
depend when you get it
blazing condor
faint pagoda
am i using the wall more for m plus or raid
safe thistle
my wall is still 235 
jagged pier
my wall is still 235 <:peepoHappyFisher:838631904936591401>
same
strong forum
Only leggo I upgraded was elysian might to 262
patent osprey
^ sounds like a nom thing to do
safe thistle
ya to be honest ill upgrade elysian might before the wall
strong forum
Was "only" 125k for me so still passable
safe thistle
im tier6 from last week
strong forum
I got like 7 crystals total so far
strong forum
jagged pier
strong forum
I got 1mil from pieces 
does that count
mystic warren
equipping a mail chest to activate my blood set gives me 400 dps... I do love this new system
safe thistle
even if its 226
jagged pier
i would not do that
safe thistle
corruption style system
it work for raid though but i would keep the higher ilvl for m+
strong forum
I wish it was 100% deactivated in m+
So I wouldn't feel inclined to maybe get Dom pieces because I already have all the shards I could want from 1 raid clear
safe thistle
how much borrowed power we ned to just feel fun to play 😛
safe thistle
so far kyrian is the one i found most balance for multi-spec warrior i dont use tons of conduit power
strong forum
But soulash and gear says no
Ye kyrian was always the best multispec cov if you count pvp aswell
distant crystal
imagine not having 2 geared alts
strong forum
Original plan was keeping my dh up to speed from day1
safe thistle
i have a slave warlock around 180 ilvl somewhere
distant crystal
I got a 238 DH and a 233 priest
finally stepped foot in the raid on DH, 9/10H heroic alt run baby
safe thistle
raid is easier to step in than castle i was around 177 ilvl as a tank when i first got there lol
jagged pier
i actually thought this patch was gunna be good for alts
then i saw how u get shards
and gave up
safe thistle
well archivist is account wide for the gear upgrade unlock
so your alt can go up to 236 gear
jagged pier
but that does equate to gems
safe thistle
youll need to farm korthia like a slave though
im focussing on unlocking all my 252 conduit atm got 12ish left
strong forum
Not worth the effort tbh
Getting sub 1% power gains for weeks and weeks of grinds isn't worth it
distant crystal
the grind is only bad if you're trying to rush to 6
everybody will get there with just some basic korthia weekly content, eventually
safe thistle
well the thing is most ppl think daily gonna help but 1 out of 4 daily soemtime give like relics
the only good way is rare
safe thistle
im getting my first paragon tomorrow o.O
distant crystal
We had a guy that went ham in korthia
strong forum
I hit rank3 last week I think
strong forum
distant crystal
the whole time we were like "why the f are you grinding korthia so hard?"
strong forum
Well you can
distant crystal
he was just getting to that point
every day
clearing every goddamned rare/chest etc
safe thistle
all i do is daily every rare and rifbound chest
safe thistle
during dailiest a lot spawn i stop go kill it and come back
i think mecagnome was worse hated that zone
strong forum
You see I only log in once or twice a week
For torghast and weekly key, rest can go fuck itself I ain't doing that
My most hated zone was nazjatar pre-flying
safe thistle
yah that one too
strong forum
Terrible patch imo
blazing condor
Im sad im not in a more hardcore guild cus of the loot/progression but i’m glad im not in a more hardcore guild cus of the rep grinds n shit
strong forum
Korthia was just a huge jebait for the hardcore guilds
Wasting away an entire week of their live for nothing
But yes, I would probably enjoy wow a whole lot more if I was in a high tier guild because of the gear and not wiping on easy bosses
short kiln
Only leggo I upgraded was elysian might to 262
for Arms dps?
short kiln
Yeah I figured
after playing Arms for Raid Prog I've been enjoying it in M+ too
was going to make EM tomorrow
strong forum
I always love it when arms can pump, very fun spec imo
short kiln
ran some keys with signet and it wasn't as good as it should have been
every weapon strike feels meaningful and impactful. That's rewarding
patent osprey
I have full cleared rares... every day since the patch started, minus the last 2 days and it has felt so freeing
strong forum
Pain
mellow bridge
full clearing rares oof
oblique garnet
@jagged pier How much dps do you do in a key? and are you kyrian+
jagged pier
average like 5.8 - 6.5ish
which seimic over 7k
but i also have upgraded any gems but blood so far
so i think with 5 gems and gear probs 7k on average
did 6.9k in a mists i think without seismic
shut summit
yea i ended 20 sanguine at 7500 with reprisal, can easily go up
jagged pier
dont know how though
safe thistle
more than some dps class we have in raid 😛 gotta love semi-casual
jagged pier
I beat alot of pugs atm
strong forum
Kyrian owns
shut summit
yea was NF for that too, havent done shit with mika fully unlocked yet, looks fun
cinder nova
Seismic is way more dmg
tbh I don't see them making another leggo that can cleave as hard as Seismic.
Isn't it like x3 or x4 the damage of other cleave leggos if you have 3+ targets up?
strong forum
Na
Seismic is like 20-30% more in multitarget over others
So not insanely bigger
Well, insane, but not 3-4x
cinder nova
Do you think Nature's Fury or Seismic is gonna be better for parsing in SOD? So far it looks like NF since a lot more fights get more ST out of it.
strong forum
Nature's fury
cinder nova
Yeah, figured.
strong forum
100% the parse leggo to play
cinder nova
Big pp parse.
strong forum
Reprisal isn't much farther behind seismic in keys, I almost caught up to sense in the keys I did when sense ran seismic in those levels
cinder nova
99.7 perf avg 
strong forum
Atleast according to logs
safe thistle
is it me or the number of warrior drastically melted since the RTWF shown no warrior tank.
strong forum
There are actually alot more warriors than in CN
safe thistle
on warcraftlog i dont seem as much as castle log for warrior tank
maybe they are not at least in heroic yet ?
safe thistle
ahh spoke total amount
strong forum
Gotta look at it comparatively, not total. The players numbers are down alot
Tons of people are quitting the game
safe thistle
more so if its gonna be 6+months every patch
odd tree
totally forgot about seismic, going to have to mess around with it in m+
further piss off the guildies i carry through keys
viscid trout
ok i looked in the pinned message and i found this:
Are any of the new Legendaries good?
Elysian Might - Probably solid in PvP and might see some play as a offensive option in non-threatening Mythic+ with Mika.
is it any good now?
viscid trout
its not a good offensive option for prot?
strong forum
Nop
viscid trout
im not going night fae max
viscid trout
Just go night Fae dimmy
its the year of the spear
hollow sun
My shade of blu is better
viscid trout
hollow sun
