Yeah that mob has two schools cast 😡
#protection
sweet kayak
primal cape
strong forum
ye for raid
rough egret
I mean if you use mikanikos for arms m+ and prot then i would change Mortal Combo for Ashen Jugg , execute is big dmg portion in m+
strong forum
yes
rough egret
not for m+
if you should pick 2 conduits then its CTR + AJ
its also rng 🙂 still a chance to proc
sick sentinel
covenant for fury warr venthyr
patent osprey
not for m+
is there a #s calculation on that?
don't see a reference but I could be wrong
vapid berry
covenant for fury warr venthyr
What is going on here
strong forum
channel has been taken over
rough egret
is there a #s calculation on that?
Dungeon slice will tell you MC, but from best practice, execute is a biig portion of dmg in m+, so its better to buff its crit chance, while running EM legendary, you cleave insane amount of dps
i mean just hop in #arms they will tell you same 😄
patent osprey
I haven't tried both but I still think MC is big value but yeah maybe. I'd need to see the #@
especially since OP is > prio over execute
inland raft
In m+ spend a ton of time doing stuff other then casting mortal strike which deives value of mc down
Overpower and execute high prio
Especially with ss up
solar hornet
why are we talking so much about arms in the prot section 🧐
inland raft
Personally running piercing instead of ashen but only cuz i dont wanna spend energy between prot and arms
Cuz we zug zuggers
jagged pier
the whole disucision started because we were talking about arms and prot cross tree
sacred timber
bruh, even as fury I usually kick off cd
patent osprey
yes. Thier kick is just an extension of my keyboard
if I don't say anything they let the incinerator kill us
Check my vods, it happens
daring marlin
big true
inland raft
ive had shamans who dont kick if not emphatically told when to
never underestimate non-tank aversion to kicks
inland raft
opening kick counter at end of dungeon is a near sure-fire way to see who has ever played a tank before
tank players have high kick counts even when not tanking
inland raft
facts
jagged pier
Check my vods, it happens
will i see the HoA route there 
patent osprey
you can see how I fix the route everytime my team pulls something by accident. Happened in both HOAs this week
inland raft
your team telling you they know a better route then you 
safe thistle
damn pug didnt knew you needed to be bear only for DoS .... some ppl just want ardenweald in 3 pulls
inland raft
running double potency as mika or using the knockback on phial use route in bind? double potency making phial get auto consumed kinda sus feels like
ionic summit
how are you guys feeling war in m+ currently? i thought it was going to be really good this tier but ut seems like just brewmasters and guardians running the show atm? or am i wrong?
inland raft
Pwar #1 in our hearts though
zenith vigil
tell me what u see
in top 10
u see a lot of druids
u see a couple monks, and a pally and a dk
but u know what else u see, carving his lil niche?
ONE OF US
ONE OF US
inland raft
Well pwar has an extremely low player base so the rankings dont reflect where we stand
We are def number 2 or at worse a close 3rd
zenith vigil
part of me wanted to play vengeance, just because havoc was kind of more fun to me than arms
but prot is >vengeance to me so
inland raft
Vengeance lost a ton of favor with cardboard nerf plus just general changes
elfin surge
<@!228990528383877141> https://raider.io/mythic-plus-character-rankings/season-s...
yay Pika!!
ionic summit
*ONE OF US*
HAHA i love it
obtuse monolith
Anyone Prot / Arms and Kyrian? Do you have to swap conduits each time?
Looks like Mika’s best MT for both and Kleia ST
short kiln
Tagging @strong forum for his tree which shows this exactly
obtuse monolith
Tagging <@192743144276623360> for his tree which shows this exactly
Thanks. Found the Mika one which looks good. Can switch between hammer of genesis and mortal combo, and ctr and unnerving. Is there one for Kleia?
strong forum
obtuse monolith
Can’t believe you can fit 4 endurance conduits into that tree as prot.
For some reason I didn’t realize Fueled by Violence worked for Arms too
sleek spindle
how's venth for tanking
obtuse monolith
I’m still Venth for now and it’s alright. Condemn is a nice rage dump because you get a bit of Revenge’s damage and a bit of IP’s DR. But having to wait until sub-20% to use it again after the first 20% blows by sucks. Would be a lot better if you could condemn at 35% like DPS
zenith vigil
But there are better choices
ocean yoke
its not crippling just not much of a benefit
obtuse monolith
Door is not as good as soulshape but still nice for Painsmith or Eye if you like to live on the edge
ocean yoke
im already contemplating the swap back to fae for when my team gets to painsmith
jagged pier
but u can just leap over the spikes
ocean yoke
oh shit
i didnt realize that ive never tried lol
i knew we could the balls probably shouldve figured
obtuse monolith
I save my leap CD for the tank swap tho
jagged pier
and ull have it back in intermission
obtuse monolith
Ahh yeah. Good for that
patent osprey
*ONE OF US*
I just wanted a 2 day break T_T I needed to see what mornings look like again!
patent osprey
yeah im thinking the intermission part
when you leap, you can't leap when spikes are beside you. give it 2-3 squares ahead and leap in a straight line
ocean yoke
cool, thank you pika ill remember that
modern brook
@patent osprey did u try leaping while jumping?
daring marlin
<@!133743762999476224> did u try leaping while jumping?
yellow main
young oasis
Man, I just hope they don't nerf Mika. We feel much better with using him
daring marlin
Be pretty pepega if they did
strong forum
nice
obtuse monolith
Nice!
jagged pier
nice
obtuse monolith
Boomkin tip you well?
rugged mural
Hey guys, newer to raid tanking. My blocked hits are only about 45-55% of the hits taken on a boss. I'm using the Wall if that's relevant. How bad is that?
jagged pier
bad
rugged mural
What should you be aiming for? 90+?
jagged pier
no depends on talents and a lot of things
if your were using reprisal which u should be on most of the fights then 80+ as least
as your using the wall on blockable fights u should use bolster
do should be around 75%
jagged pier
if its a block fight
shell hill
would running reprisal be troll for raid? obv the wall is better but i just don't want to grind more torghast
rugged mural
Non-block fights are Eye and Sylv? Others still look to be majority melee damage inc.
Nine is a bit of weird one.
chilly brook
would running reprisal be troll for raid? obv the wall is better but i just don'...
No, you run reprisal unless you cant really block i.e. the eye and sylvanas
shell hill
oh good lol
jagged pier
would running reprisal be troll for raid? obv the wall is better but i just don'...
its not troll and its better in 80% of the boss fights
jagged pier
Non-block fights are Eye and Sylv? Others still look to be majority melee damage...
only thoughs 2
shell hill
would it be bad for me to use reprisal on those 2 though? for like normal/heroic
shell hill
doubt i'll get to sylv mainly just eye
alright
which soulbind do you run for raid, pelagos?
thorny stone
should i change a 252 helmet for a 226 with dom socket? i dont have the 3 unholy shards and do m+ mainly
short apex
Boomkin tip you well?
well, hes a guildie reroll lmfao
random 15 sd and everytime he died he said hes ramping
venth boomie brain worms HAHAHA
chilly brook
random 15 sd and everytime he died he said hes ramping
Tell him he does 0 damage if he dies
sturdy sable
Honestly at this point i really dont think venthyr is the move for boomies
inland raft
It doubles down on boomkins being stupid
sturdy sable
Which is the last thing you want lmao
shy coral
how do you see your % of blocked hits?
sweet summit
hover over the "hits" portion of melee damage taken
sweet summit
not as far as i know
details does not track it
blazing condor
holy shit arms is fun
if a noob like me can top dps after only having played like 3 keys
then its a good spec
blazing condor
blazing condor
idk i feel like arms is fun because it has a high skill ceiling
not to say fury does as well idrk
but it feels like there's a lot of room to either be complete dogshit at arms or a god
strong forum
fits m+ quite well tho
2x 40-45sec CDs
and 2x 1.5min CDs
and all of them line up every 2nd cast
thats why it does numbers
hollow sun
i have to say that the double bladestorm is pretty satisfying
strong forum
elysian might > signet
zenith vigil
I love all these people like "my god mikanikos so good"
it's like they don't know about my homie Korayn, smh
strong forum
well mikan is what makes kyrian better than NF for m+
zenith vigil
🤌
strong forum
because the CDs line up better
zenith vigil
you think it's just unequivocally better?
strong forum
for dps, i think so yea
zenith vigil
zenith vigil
oh, what if both have reprisal?
which is what the near-entirety of the player base is likely to have tbh
strong forum
im talking arms here, in the event of prot, kyrian and NF are pretty much equal
zenith vigil
Oh
strong forum
literally equal
strong forum
kyrian might have a slight edge for dps because of mikan tbh
prot doesnt play neither elysian might nor signet, both are not dps gains over reprisal or seismic
brittle owl
ye but spin to win tho
strong forum
i think bladestorm is a dps loss tbh
brittle owl
probably
strong forum
doesnt hit hard enough and you dont generate rage
brittle owl
but it's dope af
brittle owl
ravej
hollow sun
Can't give up on soul shape
I think phial can't really compete
It's better in very specific scenarios
hollow sun
Yeah but usually people say that phial is more defensive while soulshape allows very easy kiting
I always struggle with damage though
As Nf
I have never went past 5k
strong forum
that is probably a you issue, because NF has defo been more dps than Kyrian until this week
strong forum
press buttons is 99% the solution
it literally always is
unless youre less than 220 ilvl
hollow sun
I had some dungeons with almost 60 cPM and still did same damage
I am not saying that it's not my fault but it might be due to my low FPS in game as well
hollow sun
No but I tested it in mists, same thing
strong forum
then youre defo doing smth wrong
strong forum
maybe youre holding stuff for too long, or not being aggressive enough with revenge
hollow sun
Well, I use CDs almost on cd, that's definitely not the issue. Maybe I will do some keys tomorrow to show you the logs
strong forum
this was my SD with 6.4k dps a few weeks ago
compare it with your stuff, maybe you can spot smth
hollow sun
Higher ss casts
And less Ip
But I found that if I don't use up I overcap like crazy
hollow sun
I would say 70% of my IP casts are to not overcap
strong forum
and i already use IP quite alot tbh
i use IP alot more than Jakey does
but our overalls are the same
hollow sun
Sometimes I have a scenario like this: your rage is at 50, you have a ravenge proc and intervene out of cd
If you intevene and don't use ip you are likely to get ragecapped
In the next seconds
Wince that free revenge won't make you spend rage
strong forum
keep in mind SB is also a ragedump, maybe you dont dump enough with that
hollow sun
Wait, I logged a dung yesterday, let me find it
strong forum
this was a log from march
zenith vigil
Press
strong forum
when reprisal came out
strong forum
oh damn in that SD i also had 71cpm
zenith vigil
refuses to elaborate further
strong forum
zenith vigil
leaves
strong forum
im fucking zooming
strong forum
yeah your TC and SS casts are low
this is my PF 16
our IP casts are the same, but youre just generating way less rage than i do
in a 1.5min shorter dungeon i generated 500 rage more
thats massive
hollow sun
almost 4k more rage
zenith vigil
unironically smash buttons faster dawg
strong forum
i generated 500 more rage from TC and 800 more rage from SS than you did, but you used ravager more often and used reprisal more often so the gap is closer in rage generated
strong forum
well its pretty clear
hollow sun
cause to me it feels like i am spamming them
a lot
it might be my latency or the not stellar fps
idk
strong forum
it may sound stupid, but its literally as simple as press SS and TC more
pay more attention to them
you also have similar haste levels
hollow sun
they are literally binded to Q and E
zenith vigil
I don't even pay attention to SS and TC beyond my weakaura
strong forum
but yeah, having a shit setup can influence performance
zenith vigil
i literally just mash them nonstop with one finger
two*
unless I'm trying to time a TC for right before i kite
strong forum
yes
its your hardest hitting ability and generates rage
you only prio revenge spam when ravager is up
hollow sun
one thing that is weird
i used 50 more revenges
you used around 45 more ss
and your dmg is way higher
ah, and 40 more executes
strong forum
well i do have a 252 weppy
zenith vigil
what are your trinkets like?
hollow sun
i have it too
226 phial and 220 scale
but it can't account for 1k more dps
actually i am better geared
well
i will try to get more ss and executes
strong forum
my stygian king barbs also did 200k more dmg than yours
strong forum
we both have same blocked%
so... yeah idk
ah also
it was fort vs tyr
so i got barbs earlier probably
and mobs lived longer
but yeah, press buttons
hollow sun
i even tried to macro SS with SB but it doesn't really work well
strong forum
dont do that
macroing stuff together is not a good thing
the only good macro is the intervene/charge macro
hollow sun
if it worked it wouldnt have an issue. In theory, you use SB before using SS, do you don't overcap
strong forum
youre just gonna end up wasting SB charges
hollow sun
but in practice with the latency and all it might end up that you use both charges at the same time or cast ss before sb
so i dropped it
no but, it was a macro that made me cast ss when i casted sb, not sb when i casted ss
tribal pagoda
Heyho 😄 Our Reflect-Sheet says you can jump over the Painsmith balls... Did any1 actually test this?
too afraid to try in our prog <.<
shut summit
you can, its finicky and i didnt find it super reliable
zenith vigil
jump in a straight line and put the balls at the apex of your jump
inland silo
I tried it a bunch while we were wiping. Felt sorta consistent if you leapt from about 2 tiles away
It’s always spooky though
I jumped before leap too idk if it actually does anything
shut summit
main problem is the timing isnt always the same for tank debuff / balls overlap, far easier/more consistent to just NF blink behind them
short kiln
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ghHbqFYk4ZADcwVd#fight=1&type=damage-done
You are a God damned monster sir.
opal kettle
bsc vs bv for m+ with reprisal?
zenith vigil
It's close
latent pier
Is prot really the weakest tank or is it pretty much just that the bad ones really suck?
Everyone's trying to talk me out of it but I want to play it.
vapid berry
Is prot really the weakest tank or is it pretty much just that the bad ones real...
Prot is mega fine rn they just aren't a guardian druid which is what most people want atm.
latent pier
Awesome to hear! Just got a 236 shield from mists so I'm finally able to try it soon.
shell hill
is mikanikos still bis for keys too?
zenith vigil
@latent pier stop dooming and go look at top 10 raider.io m+ tanks
tell me what you see at #9
hollow ferry
tbf, 1 outlier doesn't prove anything
zenith vigil
another in top 15
hollow ferry
ok 2 outliers
zenith vigil
ok then, resume dooming
latent pier
tell me what you see at #9
I see several bnet friends that are about to be ignored
zenith vigil
can't talk some people out of it
hollow ferry
and let's not pretend that the absolute top tiers means it's the same across the board
latent pier
:)
hollow ferry
chill, im not the one saying prot is bad
zenith vigil
you really are, actually
hollow ferry
um
zenith vigil
"haha 2 outliers doesnt mean prot war gud"
"but no thats not what im ackshually saying"
k
hollow ferry
damn
sweet summit
you need to calm down lmfao
hollow ferry
yeah, I don't know what's up with this guy lol
zenith vigil
dunno whats up with u either
hollow ferry
Ok cool, been in here 1 minute and some dude is whining at me
zenith vigil
prot is fine, and saying "those are just outliers" is pretty much saying that you don't think prot is up there
sweet summit
why are you putting words in his mouth
latent pier
so uh, thanks for the encouragement. :)
zenith vigil
I'm not? He called them outliers, what else is that meant to mean than things that shouldn't be there?
I don't think their presence means warriors are god tier either
sweet summit
but yeah, prot is pretty good atm 
hollow ferry
It's OK to just say Prot is good but it's not Bear druid atm
sweet summit
that's true
simple mural
You can look at the statistical data, all the tanks are doing over 20.
hollow ferry
and that could just be because Prot is harder to play than just spamming Thrash
cinder pasture
Bear is snooze mode, I can't stand playing it
zenith vigil
I'm actually genuinely curious what that chinese DK is smoking
there's not another dk till #30
sweet summit
prot is also a historically underrepresented spec (when its not hard meta), people prefer other tanks over it
latent pier
the fumes of progress
river escarp
Anyone know the exact dialog for doing Prove your Worth/Rebuild our trust to swap covenants? I dont want to agree to switch and then having it switch instantly. The amount of dialog that you have to go through saying that you agree to swap back to a cov and then not being able to switch til a week later is confusing.
vapid berry
tbf, 1 outlier doesn't prove anything
I mean you had nerftank last season push io as high as his demon hunter on his warrior as a statement that warriors still fine and they aren't a dead tank like everyone thought they were. Warriors are not a limiting factor in key push groups
hollow ferry
I mean, I'm sure if you're playing with a group of 5 top-tier key pushers you can make lots of uncommon things work tbh.
Not to take anything away from prot
im gearing mine right now for more xp on it
dark lark
I mean you had nerftank last season push io as high as his demon hunter on his w...
DH was just slightly more optimal for their group's purposes for the magic damage amp and sigil utility. It's definitely squishier than the other tanks which is why they cheesed with trees and cardboard assassin's so much. Now that cardboard assassin is gone hes just going bear
And by squishy I specifically mean outside of brand and fel dev meta
modern brook
You mean downtime.
dark lark
Lack of uptime :)
vapid berry
The superior tank is paladin
Ngl paladin has been looking like stonks to me but then I'd have to gear up another toon
ocean yoke
ive had it as a lazy alt and divine toll is basically crack
kindred plinth
Anyone know the exact dialog for doing Prove your Worth/Rebuild our trust to swa...
I don’t know the exact wording, but you don’t officially swap and get the new abilities (and lose the ability to transfer anima) until you turn in the rebuild quest in Oribose after filling the bar.
sturdy sable
Yeah you can fill the bar and sit on the completed quest
Just dont do what i did and accidentally turn it in halfway through sludgefist prog
Because they dont ask you if your sure its immediate and just a click away lol
river escarp
I used it for Venthyr and swapped instantly
I thought it was a one time thing, but is it for every cov?
sturdy sable
Yeah every cov once
The first time is free
Except the one your currently leaving iirc
river escarp
Ok cool.It's just sooo confusing y'know? Just say, you gotta do these weekly quests first and then you can swap, but no, you have to agree 2-3 times, but still cant swap due to a quest. ty for the help
sturdy sable
Yeah meaningful choices ect ect
It should just be like changing talents imo but
Im not a dev so
kindred plinth
I was worried about the “going back” clause. Because I couldn’t remember the exact wording. I just know I was caught off guard myself by how fast the auto-swap was.
fringe marten
@zenith vigil There's always an OCE tank way up in the ranks doing some wonk shit that I'm always curious about.
There was a point in BFA..can't remember if it was early or late? might have been like season 3? He was like #2 prot war for keys, was korean I think ? judging by the text on his name..(was not boost) but he absolutely ignored haste, versa..everything else..went FULL Mastery and gave no fucks.
Off topic: I'm guessing we never talk about Unbreakable will because it's effect is limited to your ACTUAL 5 man party even in a raid? 2 charges of shield wall combined with Anger Mans honestly looks more appealing to me than running the wall.
Mward I've had so many paladins say the same thing; divine toll is so awesome to play/etc even if Ashen Hallow is superior for raiding/whatever..we have a ret pally who stays kyrian because of that. What is it about divine toll that makes it 'play' more ...fun?
latent pier
It slaps things really hard.
zenith vigil
Yes. I trust a tier list from someone with 188 subscribers.
wraith anchor
you obviously don't watch enough YouTube conspiracy theory videos
zenith vigil
haha, he deleted it
wraith anchor
the superiority of demoralizing shout cool down reduction I think
lavish oracle
Actually, now that I think about it, would Unbreakable Will be better than The Wall on eye?
Not that it really matters since it's a 2nd boss
Less rage Gen, but probably just as many shield wall casts plus a minor DR
wraith anchor
Two charges is cool, but that can't possibly compete with 5 seconds off shield wall every Slam. Plus if we're gonna pull party survivability we still have commanding shout
lavish oracle
I mean, it probably would compete on the Eye, the encounter is short enough that I don't think you get enough shield wall casts for the difference in CDR to matter
It's probably academic either way, just an interesting to think about
Still interested to see if, in 9.2 or whenever, if we get the ability to equip 2 legendaries, there will ever be a need for UW
Say, in high tyrannical SD, or something
fringe marten
I dunno if I never noticed it before or it's new? Has the 2nd wall charge always been on that legendary memory?
I'm not in a huge rush to try and shoehorn it into a fight and say "it's great" 'cause we cleared some mythic progression with it..simply saying that in actual real world use 2 charges of shield wall, combined with Anger management is probably going to yield a situation/s where you actually have shield wall most ANY time you'd want to use it. Rather than it being say..20 or 30 seconds away on CD etc. But in no way would it have as fast a CD as 'the wall' or having higher rage gen from reprisal.
And if it applied to the entire raid team I'm pretty sure it would be kinda' mandatory for raiding prot warriors...because 2 charges of 25% DR on demand, on a super short CD compared to most other raid cd's of something around that power? it'd be kinda' wild.. so I assume it HAS to be PARTY only.
fringe marten
Yeah I kinda' overlooked that..didn't know that. That's ?? Honestly ..kinda' damn good..
ocean yoke
if the wall use applied to the raid we would be in dragon soul again where it was absolutely op
fringe marten
Right; if it applied to the entire raid..it would be in the pins as "you raid with this..don't ask about another legendary unless you're trying to personally parse"
lavish oracle
Also, yeah, it's party or it'd be OP
fringe marten
It wouldn't be OP..it would be a LEGIT choice..ya' know..like leggos are SUPPOSED to provide?
Wasn't that the point? meaningful 'potency' boosts for class specific flavor stuff...to warrant a 'decision' as to what to use?
Instead of "dis has most throughput..use dis always"
ocean yoke
i mean half of wall would basically be a non range limited barrier, it would be bonkers
lucklily we arent locked like that
fringe marten
Yeah that's why I'm saying....half of that leggo is semi wasted? Sure it's NICE but ? what do you do "put the people who die all the time during prog with the tank/s"
So in reality it's ...a legendary that gives shield wall 2 charges. And honestly that's STILL not shabby?
lavish oracle
I think a lot of our legendaries are good 2nd options
ocean yoke
yeah were pretty lucky with legendaries and covenants tbh
fringe marten
We're BLESSED as far as covenant is concerned...provided you're basically ONLY prot.
fringe marten
We're ? the only? class that's had one of our best, if not the best covenant option..stay the same the whole time so far?
lavish oracle
For Fury and Arms
fringe marten
No I mean...I get to have all my followers maxed out..and..my covenant crap all maxed out because..? I'm not ANY other class..if I was a mage or rogue or pally or whatever I'd have been flip flopping constantly.
lavish oracle
Oh, I see
ocean yoke
i like having the options even if i dont swap again
knowing i could go fae or necro and not be trolling for my groups
fringe marten
But anyway; that's an aside.. I think I might go just make a 235 unbreakable will ring..JUST for da heck of it.
ocean yoke
yolo bro
fringe marten
235's are dirt cheap now
ocean yoke
its worth a shot just to see how it goes
fringe marten
I mean..I made 235 seismic boots, I think I have my old Tlord boots in bank..235 elysian might boots, 235 wall cloak..next week it's 262 wall cloak.
Hell I made the 210 arms belt..just 'cause
and of course the standard 262 reprisal legs. But...WTF not toss in that 235 unbreakable ring.. Who knows maybe I go "yeah..I wouldn't mind back to back shield wall in this specific encounter~..would make things easier"
lavish oracle
I still need to make seismic, been too busy padding out my DPS legendaries
fringe marten
I made the elysian might boots to try and cheese single target dps in normal raid runs...it's pretty strong actually.
lavish oracle
I've been using EM for fury keys because it's very fun
ocean yoke
just remember that pumping is easily the most important thing
meters are life all else is irrelevant
fringe marten
AH..ok blood mallet did get updated.
I've been using ticking sack for a week or two now? and the last time I looked at sims they had it weighted way too low for prot..now it's pretty right.
I haven't been able to touch a salvaged fusion amp..if I pull one from heroic they 'might' force me to loot council it to a real dps. =\
Does the mailemental trinket shift to 'melee' if we use it?
ocean yoke
you may already have it but id definitely go for the guardian trinket if not
fringe marten
I don't..I haven't looted either guardian trinket yet. The problem is..I tend to be in black or white situations. where I want maximum defense/utility or maximum dps. So..? I dunno if I'd WANT to run the defense matrix over what I already have for those situations.
ocean yoke
that trinket is pretty cracked, its a solid 200-300 dps and hps for all my raid pulls and a bit more in m+
the passive part is always lame but it still slaps
fringe marten
Similar to codex of first technique..which blood mallet erroneously has at 0 LOL
Codex is solid to very strong depending on proc luck.
(in challenging raid content...it's mediocre everywhere else)
ocean yoke
i cant speak to the codex since i havent gotten it but the matrix slaps
fringe marten
Right but look what the matrix does right?
The codex is basically very similar except procs for reflect 'windows' and only for a portion of damage dealt rather than a flat number.
So the codex shines when you're being hit by a very strong singular target, or a strong DoT
ocean yoke
damn i wish i had gotten the codex so i could actually talk about something known lol if nothing else
all i know is matrix slaps
fringe marten
The matrix has consistency+ mainstat over the codex. So the matrix is likely just kinda' the better version of codex of first tech..but the codex is actually very strong, if not quite possibly stronger on mythic raid fights.
Mward run Hm taz with me each week LOL
I got my cotank one.
so now we can run and trade it off.
Now I'm trying to get my cotank a ticking sack.
ocean yoke
but one of my dps went tank spec and got me a shard so im happy
fringe marten
shard?
ocean yoke
the nine trinket
fringe marten
OH
ocean yoke
got that one and the guardian trinket currently so i feel super set
fringe marten
yeah I have the normal mode one..we're like 2 or 3 mythic kills in, and 4 norm, 4 heroic kills in..and I haven't seen it in our raid drop SINCE
ocean yoke
yeah i only got it on a heroic reclear, no mythic version yet
fringe marten
Speakin of which I gotta' do my normal clear for the week...I dunno why? maybe for sylvanas shoulders???
LOL so if someone wants to run a pug normal clear I can trade off normal aegis IF I get it.
ocean yoke
one day ill get the KT helm
fringe marten
dude..
DUDE
I had the heroic in my vault last week
but I HAD to take the chest, so I could finish a blood set...Thanks blizz for shitty design~
ocean yoke
i had basically the same choice in my second vault
fringe marten
I had heroic guardian chest, heroic KT helm..on my raid tier, with 1 mythic piece that sucked hard.
ocean yoke
my guild is slower so ive had a 252 helm since week 1 so that helps but still
fringe marten
I wanna do Mwahi's 4 prot warrior key/s this week
This would be the week to do it.
I was looking at a DoS 18 I did and realized my single target isn't as awful as I thought.. I think 4 strong prot warriors and then any healer could actually cut through any 15 this week with serious ease.
ocean yoke
ive had cracked damage in keys lately and not even trying too hard to do a ton
its felt great
fringe marten
yeah in that dos I was approaching like 8.5k overall after ardenweald wing..I think it dropped to 6.8 end of zone or 6.2? I had a 6.8 somewhere and a 7.2 without 'cheese' damage from dungeon tools like orbs/spear. (these were all using seismic boots)
you do see a lot more dps, but you DO feel those gaps in shield block time..even in lower keys like 16/17's (this week) you start kinda' wanting to kite on some packs once you have like a 4 or 5 second window where you'll have no block..you start gettin' tore up
ocean yoke
nothing quite like making your dps feel insecure over their numbers though
fringe marten
Yeah I was carrying some alts? from some guild that's like 8/10 mythic atm..in a necrowake last night.. I was top dps zonewide with just the 2 orbs used =\
I thought their alts would be a little stronger but they were leanin' on carries hard to gear them up.. the healer went from an amazing disc priest, to a dogwater mist weaver monk LOL
Play competency with class > any gear/ilevel/whatever (within reason)
ocean yoke
i did a key with one of those elusive survival hunters the other day and god damn was it easy
his aoe was bonkers
fringe marten
DUDE yeah I wanna find a good one..I legit haven't yet. But I've heard it's awesome.
But then again..would he just have been better aoe as marksman anyway?? =\
ocean yoke
i had pulls where i was like fuck it hes uncapped lets see what happens
and he crushed it
fringe marten
Interesting..how strong are they in a raid situation on a single target?
ocean yoke
im not 100% sure, he was a guildie but a different team
looking at their logs though hes owning in comparison to them
fringe marten
I just wonder if..you have very high competency if it becomes quite strong; or even if you're great it still underperforms.
ocean yoke
weird to compare survival hunters but hes on a kinda meh team but is parsing like 100 lol
i definitely liked my key with him, never raided with the guy though
fringe marten
He's parsing 100 because he's the only survival hunter~ lol
ocean yoke
youre not wrong lmao
shell fox
i have a friend on my m+ team that does 10k overall
and hes survival
ppl just dont understand the spec and start to complain about it
fringe marten
Yeah but people who DO understand it also complain about it..the issue is this; what is he doing as survival he couldn't do as marksman, or even BM...and have MORE tools at his disposal? or just another class?
That's kinda' the thing about each class..even if they're not the TOP dps or the MOST durable tank, they should bring something to the table a little unique..something worth going "hmm a frost mage could be good here? or a ele shaman for insane aoe?" that kinda' thing.
wanton panther
Hello warriors, can I ask something, I see here it says "This applies to dots applied to you". Is there any special thing about Aegis, because all bubbles absorb dots, no ?
blazing condor
aegis is an uncapped 8 second damage reduction that mitigates all incoming damage, including dots, not only dots
zenith vigil
And each tick of the dot
Not just until the shield is gone on another trinket for example
wanton panther
so basically lets say blood-spattered absorbs 50K dmg. If you have 15 stacks of Basnshee's mark it will expire in just 2-3 sec but Aegis will stay on for 8 sec no matter what. Right ?
urban portal
it literally absorbs 5-6k of every tick of a dot
so its absolutely nuts
if a dot is doing 8k or something
you are reducing 75% of it
wanton panther
Damn that's bis. Thanks my friends!
fringe marten
Like all trinkets for prot war...it's just another tool for the tool belt.
urban portal
Not to mention it also bounces back damage
i thought it just does a set amount of damage?
fringe marten
The damage aegis does is...we don't talk about that~
The trinkets that 'bounce back' damage, are the Defense Matrix and Codex of the First technique.
They 'reflect' a set amount..or a percentage..respectively; of the damage you're taking. So they 'reduce' the damage and do some back.
fringe marten
But it's not an actual reflect; it just does a set amount of damage after it reduces a certain amount.
Just being picky about the wording since how the trinkets 'work' does matter. Where as the Defense matrix and Codex reflect various amounts of damage, and reduce the hit you take by the same amount.
But semantics story short~ There's some nifty tank trinkets with very solid defense value this tier..instead of the good tank trinkets being damage procs or stat sticks.
I just wish we had an "Edict" trinket this tier..really liked that one.
blazing condor
Yeah bad wording by me its not scaled damage in relation to absorb amount
fringe marten
Anyone else have this nagging feeling that the aegis is so solid in M+ that they feel the hammer is gonna' get swung on it any week now?
fringe marten
It's not as impressive on bosses/raids but on large trash pulls it's amazing how suddenly rock solid you become for those 8 seconds that barrier is up.. I feel maybe we're over hyping it a little, but it is ...it's own defensive cooldown for trash packs in keys basically.
The scale was and is very strong, and does a LOT more damage overall but it doesn't give me the same mental feeling when I use it..like "pop scale..ok got a couple seconds breathing room and I can run away/get healed/whatever" aegis gives you the feeling of "Pop trinket..ok facetank and plant mobs" that's why I prefer it.
fossil river
tame jasper
I have haste and versa
jagged pier
Anyone else have this nagging feeling that the aegis is so solid in M+ that the...
it took them 4 weeks to put skips into the raid, im gunna put x to doubt on any tuning of anything tbh
wide pilot
@jagged pier you were right the mortal strike guy in top hits like a wet noodle. After finally getting a pug that was able to keep searing death shut down the fight became significantly easier
jagged pier
👍
north rampart
im running a LFR agies, and it is better than sheild wall on a was shorter cooldown
eat tripple pulls for breakfast with it up
fills the gap between shield block charges recharging perfectly
wide pilot
Are ppl replacing scale with it or using it along side
bold linden
I have replaced it and running phial+aegis
blazing condor
You can very freely run a good dps trink with it
For those who like playing splinter it can also remove the need for that as well
subtle tulip
Matrix + aegis sounds tanky af
jagged pier
its on the same cd
subtle tulip
rip
mental scarab
for aoe dmg what do we use in m+? have the matrix wich is a given,
have decanter and phial same ivl and tormented rack fragment hc
tame jasper
sack?
tame jasper
ah k
river escarp
When you're opening the urn in SD, can you still block/dodge/parry?
mellow bridge
nope
blazing condor
Nah youre very exposed
zenith vigil
usually someone else is a night fae tho
I'll usually pull and hit aegis if I need to do it
strange sphinx
Speaking of which, can I NF in DoS safely?
strange sphinx
That’s for SD though. It’s the same?
zenith vigil
my mans JUST asked that like 5 lines up
SD is not night fae
oh
wait
WAIT
lmao I'm the dumb one
strange sphinx
I know but this game is never consistent
strange sphinx
Lol
zenith vigil
my brain literally read DOS from his question
and no it's the same
but if you have a CD you can get 'er done but more people are generally night fae
and can do it for you
strange sphinx
Gotcha. Thanks
thorn remnant
Hold on… I need an assist in understanding here… are we saying a 239 Shard of Annhylde’s Aegis is better than let’s say a 242 Blood-Spattered Scale? And I shouldn’t run them both defensively?
thorn remnant
Is it better in raids too?
Right now my only secondary trinket option then would be a Decanter.
This is rocking my world because I thought the Scale was just the end all be all of trinkets.
I assume it’s because that 8sec applies to any damaging event during that time?
jagged pier
Is it better in raids too?
no
scale is better on probably 1-2 targets
equalish around 3 -5
but past that aegis is just stupid strong
like aegis is slightly harder ot use of course because positioning etc
but in m+ its stupid strong and is on the same cd as SW
so u can basically rotate one each pack
if u want a better dps trinket than decanter i would suggest phial or sack of terror they both do a fuck tone of damage
thorn remnant
Thank you for this info. I been running both aegis and scale. But sounds like I need to do a little swappy between raid and M+. And keep farming me a secondary trinket.
thorn remnant
Been dreaming of that Old Warriors Soul
thorn remnant
Wowhead prot warrior gear guide lists Aegis twice as both S tier and A- tier. Thought that was weird.
thorn remnant
does it still break stealth though?
No idea. Haven’t seen one drop yet.
thorn remnant
I haven’t been using a lot of stealth routes or anything this season. But good to keep that in mind just in case.
Thanks again for the info @jagged pier. Appreciate you.
tame jasper
Which decanter? 😄
but I wait for aegis anyway, still no drop 😦
neither lfg, nhc, hc or vaultr
obtuse monolith
Sending luck to you. Got LFR version then got 239 in vault 🙂
tame jasper
@obtuse monolith ❤️
latent pier
So we eventually drop scale for aegis?
lilac bloom
p3 on heroic sylvanas do you taunt only at arrows when she gives u 3 banes.. cos i have no idea as tank i get that debuff .. should i go grab all the purples on the floor and next platform then come back .. go to corner and get dispelled then taunt the boss back from the tank? i think if i dont get my buff dispelled fast enough.. ill die
tame jasper
@ionic fern Please gimme a quick enlightingend: Absorb vs damage reduction: lets say boss does 100k damage, I have SW for 50% reduce (for easy math) and 10k absorb: if I understand it correctly the 100k gets reduced by 50% to 50k and then 10k of this get absorbed, so I got hit for 40k?
woven bear
I'm wondering if it's woth the 1k valor to upgrade and switch the shields
safe thistle
they will both end at 246 :/ if your valor sit and your capped why not it should cost around 1k
i prefer to boost rings first
woven bear
I have a 252 death's god signet and a 239 stichflesh signet
so yeah, prop more haste to get there
safe thistle
yah that stitchflesh 246 would be nice
ionic fern
<@!238357283996696576> Please gimme a quick enlightingend: Absorb vs damage red...
In really-really simple terms yes.
Mitigation>Absorbs>Health
hazy otter
Do we stack haste/mastery?
zenith vigil
is it worth switching to arms for looting vault?
@ionic fern you might know this better than anybody
zenith vigil
Do we stack haste/mastery?
haste. stat prios are in the icyveins guide.
iLVL>else 90% of the time
sweet summit
id still vault as prot until u have shield and weapon too
zenith vigil
true
have pretty shite wep and shield
but i only have 1 15 done and my next best is 4 10's
and normal raid 😦
I guess arms wouldn't offer me anything all that interesting over prot anyways
zenith vigil
pls no key shaming
latent pier
Whatcha guys think the best key to practice on is?
Finally got a good shield, and I typically go for the trial by fire approach
sweet summit
all of them
patent osprey
cause the spooking thing about those pulls is actually the skeletons + raptors. but people always afraid of the shadowcore boy. But shadowcore Boi is predictable damage. the small guys hit you with our magic and disease too
latent pier
Scale's still fine, yeah? I might be able to convince the RL to let my war in next week, but no aegis yet.
obtuse monolith
I’ve done a lot of raiding this patch but all of 4 keys 😦
Need to grind that rating sooner or later
zenith vigil
Scale's still fine, yeah? I might be able to convince the RL to let my war in ne...
why would you need to convince him?
is he a cringer that wants double druid and nothing else
acoustic root
Is the DoS route best to go Ardenwald first?
blazing condor
thats what most people do
some go counter clockwise and get the first power then turn around and go ardenweald
some clear and get all powers then go ardenweald
but most go ardenweald first
pine phoenix
I always feel like the ardenweald first path is so annoying with the big rage dude
You have to wait like 30 seconds if ur unlucky
acoustic root
I usually go Ardenwald first, but i have had DPS complain about hakkar first
latent pier
why would you need to convince him?
no, no no
I'm a lock main, I dusted off my war last week.
Just have to get the chance to show him it's raid ready now, hit 232 yesterday.
latent pier
cause the spooking thing about those pulls is actually the skeletons + raptors. ...
regarding shield block uptime and such, if I'm in the middle of a pull and screw up and drop it, is it just a case of run away till I can reapply it, or pop a cd? Like if I drop block do I just melt or can I take a few hits before I get it back up?
latent pier
I remembered reprisal the minute I posted that, derp.
Do we just flop if block is down though? I'm a bit nervous of zoning out and dying like an idiot as I'm learning.
hollow sun
if you don't kite you eventually die, if no one kicks the shadowcore you die
that is how that pull works
latent pier
it was more general than just DoS, I just know Pika's a chad prot war. :p
hollow sun
he is 😛
regarding to shield block, its not that you mess up if it runs out. Its bound to happen. When your shield block is about to run out you need to think of what options you have: Do i have intervene? If yes use it, no? Do i have charge? If yes you get out and charge
no? you judge the pull and decide if its worth kiting or not
latent pier
Alright. And with scale do we rotate it with our other defensives?
hollow sun
well, there are few istances of where you want to hold your cds. Scale included. Are you approaching a dangerous pack where you know you will need scale? If yes keep it if you feel like you will need it, otherwise use it somehow on cd. This is at least what i do It actually does decent dmg and the absorb is very nice. If you hold on for your cds is very easy to waste like 10 scale uses just because you are waiting for the perfect moment to use it
and that moment never comes and you just keep waiting and waiting
till you are 6 minutes in the dungeon and you still have to use your scale, that is usually something you want to avoid
lavish oracle
Sometimes I use scale just so I can dump more rage into revenge or execute 😄
safe thistle
I hate Dos, first pull + 2nd pull I constantly get ripped
you should just go ardenweald first 2 mini boss early and an urn for the second pack.
latent pier
If you're smashing a lower key and know the pack you're doing isn't too threatening, do you pop any of your CDs just to get it ticking, or do you always hold for when you might need?
safe thistle
you never hold dps cd
latent pier
I'm talking tank cds
lavish oracle
They mean shield wall and the like
safe thistle
if you dont need them you dont pull enough
latent pier
I haven't tanked since legion, feelsbad
hollow sun
perphaps you don't need them but its good practice
you don't need to use shield wall on a lower key but its not a reason to actually hold it
hollow sun
nop
near pewter
i use mouseover intervene and its fine
hollow sun
i use my partyframe for intervenes but i am considering of making a separate keybind
cause it will prob be faster
lavish oracle
I use mouse over for charge and intervene
Saves bar space to put them on the same key
safe thistle
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover, exists] [] Charge
/cast [@mouseover, exists] [] Intervene
latent pier
Appreciated, guys.
safe thistle
your mouseover gonna intervene if its a player or charge if its an enemy on mouseover
latent pier
Last question then, what's your opener at like the start of an encounter?
where you have zero rage and it's only one target
Did taz yesterday and I was fine, but the opening few seconds of each fight were a bit sketch.
safe thistle
you wanna charge for the rage and the leggo proc
latent pier
Yeah, I made reprisal after
safe thistle
its offensive/defensive since you have a free shieldblock with it
latent pier
it sounds like huge qol in general, haven't got to play much with it yet
safe thistle
it is since its free defensive and a free revenge its amazing
hollow sun
you throw your ravager on the pack as opening
then you charge
and while you charge you use avatar
then as first global you use shield block to get one charge in cd
and then basically it depend on your covenant and its mostly using shield slam in cd, thunderclap and revenge
latent pier
Aftershock. DPS main but I like tanking too so.
hollow sun
then use aftershock in a way to benefit from first strikes
i also use scale on pull 🤡
latent pier
is that bad? ._.
hollow sun
idk, for me it works good
latent pier
any big mistakes I should try to avoid? Only other tank I really play is brew, but it's a lot harder to screw up it seems.
sweet summit
main mistakes are:
overvaluing IP
not pressing buttons
not using abilities
not pressing buttons
actually just not pressing buttons
sweet summit
aka neglecting shield block and/or revenge to use ignore pain
latent pier
ah
what would be the proper way to use it? When about to rage cap basically?
I assume you'd bank rage for the next block
sweet summit
use it as a defensive damage smoother/avoid overcapping basically
mainly to avoid overcapping rage
north rampart
Knowing when a big hit is coming like the bone spike mage skeletons in ToP, can be worth IPing it
latent pier
shame we can't reflect that, it'd be funny.
north rampart
Many dungeons have abilities that can chunk you that it is worth having you finger hovering over the IP button for
latent pier
I have to go do some yardwork now, thanks for all the tips guys! Very much appreciate it.
pale gust
aka neglecting shield block and/or revenge to use ignore pain
It happened to me as well, shield block uptime is so good
jagged pier
looks fine to me
strong forum
main mistakes are:
overvaluing IP
not pressing buttons
not using abilities
not p...
📌
jagged pier
i usually have 15
u wasted a lot of rage
u could have used that for more revengj
hollow sun
thats true, forgive me master, i changed keybinds 😄
strong forum
Keep at it
hollow sun
i actually realized my problem, it was keybinds
i had Q and E binded to SS and TC
and i spammed them
problem is, when both were in cd, it was an empty global and it took me some time to realize that i have to revenge
so i replaced tc with revenge
this is why the low tc casts
i need to get used to it
strong forum
Yeah, not paying attention at what you're doing is usually what happens
Glad you noticed it aswell
waxen haven
where is the prot guide?
latent pier
So why is heavy rep not really used outside super high keys?
or am I misunderstanding
strong forum
Yes HR is only for ultra keys
Because the survival gain isn't needed in lower keys
It's so you can be a little more lazy with your play and worry less about using reprisal perfectly
strong forum
where is the prot guide?
latent pier
I figured even in low keys it'd help you be lazier.
inland raft
Im still specced into hr from hogh keys last season even though im barely doing keys amd juat doing them for guildies this season, i got used to being lazy
But am is objectively better if dont need hr which you dont til higher keys
strong forum
I figured even in low keys it'd help you be lazier.
Sure, but... Why?
inland raft
Low keys your not taking enough damage to worry anout it so better yo get more avatars and pump and more wall time is good
strong forum
^
inland raft
But by all means play it if you want as i said i still do but more cuz dont think about it til already in a key since not doing a lot of keys this season and was already specced into it so just lazy
But am will help you beat a dps on meters every so often on lower keys which always feels good
latent pier
understood
amber herald
where's the sim mwahi did for the talents?
I'd like to see the difference between rav/hr and rav/am
because I did 7k in mists the other day with rav/hr which seems pretty high
inland raft
Ya ive git 7.5 before in sd its not holding you back but am still gonna do more overall in identical scenerio
Lower key if your team can kill large packs while you are still bursting you can get a nice overall inflated number
amber herald
it was a week when executioner was the first guy so that'll have helped
strong forum
HR is a theoretical dps gain in ST by like 10 dps. In aoe its 100% not a dps gain
amber herald
how much dps gain though 7k is still a lot of dps
I'm ok with doing 7k and being very tanky
strong forum
Just have gear
amber herald
if it's like 7.3k vs 7k or something
inland raft
Ya dps are pushing 12k on tyr weeks and we atill have a ton of gear to get this season
Tank doing 7 wont be hard with gear
strong forum
I've never not run a key with AM since reprisal so no clue how much of a dps loss HR would be
(I've also ran only like 20 keys since reprisal)
So that's not a big metric
inland raft
Ive done quite a few this season but almost all been 15-17s trying to get gear or for guildies so also not a good metric
Just close eyes and bang head on keyboard and collect loot
I used to love m+ but sl dungeons especially this tier aren’t that much fun
strong forum
S2 is better than S1, but maybe that's because I'm still doing it for gear
And I get to play arms
strong forum
As tank it's much more braindead
inland raft
And its fun
strong forum
And I love it
Braindead m+ is my favourite
Not needing to worry about every fucking %
Not needing to worry about routing
amber herald
HR is definitely the way to go there
strong forum
Just go and blast
inland raft
True i just pull and if i overpull who cares
amber herald
why I love HR so much is you can chill
inland raft
Thats dps problem
inland raft
Healer asked me why i wasn’t using ignore pain very much once
blazing condor
how do yall handle soaking on sylvanas p3? feels really jank
blazing condor
me and my cotank swap on the tankbuster and arrow
strong forum
My group doesn't question anything besides routing
But now I can blame them when they don't tell me new shit
Cuz I play less than they do 
inland raft
Last season i had an actual group so was doing higher keys, my healer would mutter under their breath every yime i asked “do you believe? Cuz i do”
Meant i was about to yolo something dumb
strong forum
Usually it's my mage saying "I have combust go big pull"
20sec later we wipe cuz I believed
Or I yell at him that it's dumb as shitvto pull big
inland raft
My best was inspiring, spawning pride mid way through double pull on both sides of pf third boss arena because mage said they had cds when i asked if they believed
It went
Poorly
3 ambushers with inspiring
lyric relic
I wanna slam in a mists with revenge leggo and only damage powers and see how much I can do
just go full crit and champions brand
strong forum
Mists is a common dungeon to run seismic in
lyric relic
yeah I usually do
undone verge
Have you ever tried to heroic leap during the third boss of SOA and clipped a tornado that you leaped over then dying to the ordinance and you don’t time the key because you have to redo the boss
strong forum
Have fun 👏
inland raft
I kinda wanna elysian might there
lyric relic
but ljke 7.5 is the highest I’ve managed to get
inland raft
See how compares
lyric relic
in a 15+
strong forum
I've yet to do a mists this season
inland raft
I think seismic still better
strong forum
And I've not done a seismic key ever
inland raft
But em might be fun
burnt pawn
how good is the shard of annhyldes aegis really?
mighty valley
in m+? very
mellow bridge
Have you ever tried to heroic leap during the third boss of SOA and clipped a to...
Happened to me today but we salvaged it 😓
mighty valley
yep
inland raft
Its good on some fights in raid like sylv
strong forum
aka the only relevant fight
latent pier
first key went well, just need to work on block uptime a bit more.
obtuse monolith
I feel set w matrix and aegis. Maybe squeeze more dps out of a damage trinket than aegis on some fights but having an on-use like that is solid
woven bear
is it even worth it to have shieldblock on silvanas hc?
I guess I switch to the wall then
strong forum
Sylv is a wall fight
jagged pier
its pretty good yer
strong forum
Until you leave combat for longer than 15sec
visual wedge
Does anyone else have issues timing Halls atm?
It just feels there is not enough time to clear
strong forum
Ya timer is quite tight on tyr
latent pier
I'm kinda impressed by the damage I've been doing as prot.
did every war tank I queued with just suck or something? >_>
jagged pier
well u might be doing damage but are u blocking correctly?
latent pier
still playing with reprisal and timing but I did well I think
visual wedge
^ Is ur healer just fucking clutching their ass cheeks every pull
latent pier
I got complimented at the end so, hopefully not
jagged pier
my route got called shit today even though we 2 chested it
and when i suggested to the guy who complained maybe he should tank and come up with a route he didnt respond
visual wedge
my route got called shit today even though we 2 chested it
what key was it?
Ive perfect my DoS route, been needing that trinket for tooooo long
errant dagger
if a 226 items drops but i have 220 equiped then go to AH to buy a 230 and equip it can i then trade the 226 ?
obv. all the same slot
lofty widget
nope
visual wedge
If you have the 230 in ur bag b4 the 226 drops
latent pier
If you can get a heroic aegis, do you even bother with scale?
visual wedge
i wouldnt
strong forum
Not rly no
jagged pier
what key was it?
+17 sd
errant dagger
If you have the 230 in ur bag b4 the 226 drops
no i would buy it in AH
strong forum
You still have to have the 230 equipped before the 226 drops
You can't make an item tradable after the fact
errant dagger
ahh ok
visual wedge
U no longer need it equipped, just in ur bag pretty sure?
strong forum
Need to have it equipped in the slot atleast once
visual wedge
Tbh thats kinda true
visual wedge
SD only has one way
strong forum
Pretty sure it's just go in a straight line until 76% then drop down to 3rd boss lol
strong forum
Not if you skip those 3 big mobs