no?
#protection
strong forum
Yeah it wouldn't be surprising
Considering that you could also just fucking delete shards by overriding them
main wasp
i see quite a bit of the top IO prot warriors run Reprisal on Boots, I assume this is because there aren't any natural haste/vers boots (outside of PVP), i always thought that legs would be better stats-wise, but have numbers been crunched to show that HOA's 246/252 Halkias Legs + 262 Reprisal Boots are better?
strong forum
It's because they crafted it in 9.0
Sylvanas drops 259 boots, so they're gonna have to re-craft their legendary on legs eventually
In 9.0 slg dropped 233 legs, so they crafted the reprisal on boots to get max ilvl on their slots
main wasp
i see, makes sense
north rampart
Doed the draven soulbind deathsplosion proc if the SoD cheatdeath trinket does its thing?
distant crystal
you die, so it should
cinder nova
So, I did a +12 HOA to help a friend and this pug mage did the following...
- Didn't Blizzard to help kite
- Never touched Frost Nova
- Did 4.1K overall
- Died 3 times on Halkias, got feared, AND bodypulled the far patrolling houndmaster
- Didn't decurse during Echelon
- Didn't lust on Ech until 53% after we told them to
- Got feared twice by Executor Lt.
Told him, "I charge 50K per carry btw, so I'll collect now."
Called me an elitist.
zenith vigil
Baste
north rampart
Hmmm, its 100% of you hp as damage right? That 70-80k aoe might be worth the 5 seconds on the clock.
distant crystal
Called me an elitist.
merry ocean
^
ivory elbow
Yeah, to night fae
flint cliff
Someone tried into the fray + Hammer of genesis in keys? Good?
zenith vigil
🇺🇸
strong forum
Someone tried into the fray + Hammer of genesis in keys? Good?
Well Hammer of genesis is 100% pick in m+
And ravager is too good to pass up in m+
cinder nova
https://tenor.com/bdnQy.gif
Bruh how is asking someone to play their class at the floor of capability elitist
ivory elbow
Someone tried into the fray + Hammer of genesis in keys? Good?
i use anima emitter i ahve 35% haste in combat
cinder nova
I even told them when we were lusting, what to kick, to decurse 2nd boss
Before we even began
zenith vigil
ivory elbow
Bruh how is asking someone to play their class at the floor of capability elitis...
he is messing with u
cinder nova
REEEE
zenith vigil
Me hiding from scum elitists
cinder nova
I'm still fuck tilted I had to carry TWO people.
zenith vigil
distant crystal
idk, if people suck, i typically don't feel the need to inform them
just don't play with them lol
unless they're being an asshole, then they get informed
merry ocean
I even told them when we were lusting, what to kick, to decurse 2nd boss
Wait there is something to decurse on second boss? 😄
cinder nova
I'll break your fucking shins.
strong forum
I told a pug hunter that he is allowed to use wild spirits on more than just bosses in mists
I got called an asshole for that
strong forum
Like 5k
cinder nova
Our Surv H had an overall of ~9.8K halfway through the maze and ~9.2K at the end.
cinder nova
Wait there is something to decurse on second boss? 😄
Echelon's stone debuff that stuns you is a curse and you can decurse the target of the circle so they can dodge his impact and avoid that fat spike of damage entirely.
Really makes Tyr Ech easy.
merry ocean
never did HoA higher than 17. But good to know
cinder nova
You guys see the new president is a fury warrior?
Warrior buffs inc
merry ocean
Ye he has every dungeon on +20
cinder nova
Didn't he do that during the post-season?
cinder nova
Until they're T5 probably
brave jetty
Kyr Kyr Kyr
blazing condor
still need to get my blood 3 set
only got 2 dom sockets
but i guess its full on kyr after that
brave jetty
I've had tons of luck with everything related to shards and sockets EXCEPT a chest for blood set
blazing condor
had to pick the shit blood chest from the vault cus didnt get any in raid
but i guess thats better than nothign
brave jetty
Unholy is not a bad consolation prize though
And thankfully unholy has most of the good DPS shards
bright flax
Guys. I need help
Sylvannas p2 on hc, do we have to care about the adds stacks or faceroll?
obtuse monolith
Rank 3 blood set is only 60 embers. Rank 4 150 (90 more) & Rank 5 300 (150 more). Upping Dyz-nuts to Rank 4 is 50 embers.
If your raid performance is important I’d minimum take blood set to rank 3 before anything else. Spending the next 90 to take it to rank 4 will get you about ~150dps/hps depending on your Crit and Vers %. Spending 100 to take Dyz from R1 to R5 increases damage boost from 0.75% to 1.5%. Much more value out of set bonus (at least in raid, not M+ obviously)
safe thistle
Guys. I need help
focus summoners just cleave the rest while brigning them to next patform if not taken care off, no stress
normally i dunno ppl just cleave the shit out of everything
bright flax
I'm amazed at tank damage in p1
safe thistle
you need to always stick to her
pop defensive when you gotta run out and back in right away
bright flax
the 3 shots in a row are hurting a bit, easy to line up SR but healers are struggling to top back I think
thanks for tips 😉
few more pulls on the way
safe thistle
so far i didnt had trouble with it but when we did on dena we taunted mid shattering pain
solar hornet
anyone played around with winter set ? was wondering if it was as good as blood
karmic plinth
i used it before i got blood bonus
solar hornet
but the 45% buff seem like it might be good
solar hornet
fair
karmic plinth
better than no bonus
lime parcel
Unrelated but is menace worth taking for moving mobs out of sanguine?
lavish oracle
What are ya'll finding is the best ST kyrian soulbind?
Kleia?
Or did Mik pull ahead at 57?
karmic plinth
Unrelated but is menace worth taking for moving mobs out of sanguine?
the main problem with menace is that it will not knock the primary target out of sanguine so its only really useful if you can reliably have a target out of sanguine, or if you're happy to accept one mob will stay in it
lavish oracle
lmao, can someone explain what's happening here?
Why is Depths of Insanity simming higher than Ashen Jugg
seems like it only happens in hectic add cleave
mighty valley
lmao, can someone explain what's happening here?
uhhhhh am I missing something? are you wearing signet? do kyrians have a secret source of recklessness? this makes zero sense to me
unique shale
i got spear valor to use on my back, fingers and weapon which one should i go for it by considering vault and heroic items drop ?
lavish oracle
uhhhhh am I missing something? are you wearing signet? do kyrians have a secret ...
Nope, makes no sense to me either
just bugged
Maybe over prioritizing execute in cleave?
So with a certain number of targets you lose damage from spending rage on execute rather than revenge?
ocean yoke
one of our dps went tank loot spec on the nine and traded me a shard, its good times 
late rampart
anybody know if indomitable healing triggers mikanikos spectrometer healing buff to self? Currently NF, but considering the pros of going kyrian 🤔
obtuse monolith
one of our dps went tank loot spec on the nine and traded me a shard, its good t...
Grats!
Pugged N Guardian last night and Monk cotank got Matrix. He already had it so traded it to me!
You and I are blessed this week
ocean yoke
hell yeah dude matrix rocks
ember jolt
sick sentinel
Hi all, Im Kyrian and my soul bind is Pelagos. Ive been seeing a lot of people change to Mikanikos and was wondering if it was worth changing over?
ocean yoke
mikanikos kinda rocks since you can get the spear cooldown quite a bit especially in m+
a lot more damage and rage overall, very nice
slim elk
Guys Phial of Serenity still good in RAID as it was in CN?!
I’m thinking about to change my covenant to necrolord. What you guys think? For mythic raiding.
cinder nova
Phial isn't tier-dependent usually, it's strength comes from its ability to provide us with a pretty big chunk of instant healing.
When it can be used to remove certain effects, it's just better.
The self-healing is why it's touted, because warrior generally lacks any real on-demand kind.
slim elk
Asking about it cause there’s a lot of debuff in Nathria that I can use the phial.
slim elk
The self-healing is why it's touted, because warrior generally lacks any real on...
Understand
cinder nova
I'm not familiar with any that can be removed with phial in SOD. There's not a lot of dot damage that comes to mind? Maybe some of the tank debuff swaps, maybe?
slim elk
Yes, I want to know if it’s possible to remove
Cause Fleshcraft looks a great defensive cd
cinder nova
It's okay, not really a defensive CD that I can tell, but I've never used it.
So it may be more someone else to ask.
We got any Necro here?
slim elk
Yep
modern brook
Phial never was the reason to play kyrian
cinder nova
S P E A R
slim elk
But for a player that prefers to play defensive way…
modern brook
Use shieldbloxk
modern brook
All the effort you're putting towards picking a cov will 1000x he put to better use reviewing logs
And watching better players.
It truly does not matter
civic holly
hey guys, i just changed my covenant to kyrian, how do i get the kyrian specific conduit now?
at a relative ilvl, i cant find any info except for 145 ilvl ones
merry cave
Get the item from korthia or vaults
ocean yoke
the old world bosses will drop 200 conduits
civic holly
@merry cave will i need several of those just to get it to 200?
ocean yoke
assuming you mean the potency
merry cave
I thought it instantly bumped it to 226 but I could be wrong
ocean yoke
nah just one if you get the drop
civic holly
yeah i just used it then
the one that bumps it up to 226
it went from 145 to 158
figured that was a waste
whole flame
rip brett
that feel when you come here for knowledge but theres just guys who dunno who answer 😂
civic holly
eyebrows
ocean yoke
what item did you even use? im looking at the world boss dropping to 200 conduit
civic holly
ocean yoke
itll definitely be better to get the conduit itself, those will only up the lowest
civic holly
yes
i am aware
is there a new version of it at 213 or 226 thats been released with 9.1
i have everything 226+ most 239, ive switched covs and now i have a really low one, is there a catch up for this
ocean yoke
i havent seen it dropped directly, ive had it upgraded it from those but i had most of mine higher anyway
would check the world bosses for the 200 at least
the old 4, not the maw one
tame jasper
the one that bumps it up to 226
You missed the „up“ in „up to“.
It upgrades a conduit by one rank up to 226. so 200 to 213 to 226 (and with the newer version) to 239 and 252.
And it always choises one randomly from your lowesr. If you have:
1x 200
2x 213
On the first use the 200 will be upgraded, after this one of the three 213
civic holly
yes im well aware
tame jasper
is there a new version of it at 213 or 226 thats been released with 9.1
Yes theres one to upgrade to 252
civic holly
morg said he thought it went straight to 226
i had been holding the item waiting for at least a 200 version to drop
now ill need an extra upgrade item
world quests can drop it at 184 ive found out too
tame jasper
My personal experience was that the new 226 upgrade items in korthia drop quite frequently up to the point where you have all consuits at 226. at the start of the patch I got many of them in a few days
odd nimbus
can someone please explain to me why aegis is better than scale trinket from dos? i dont get it
ocean yoke
the damage reduction isnt capped like the scale shield is
violet violet
Because you can pull 50 mobs and it’ll protect from all of them, whereas scale will get eaten in a half second
But on the other hand, scale is better for bosses imo
Since boss attacks are usually big slow hits, so the shield would be less effective
fringe marten
Who is..a prot warrior..and has a 15 dos?
need to be kinda' geared though/solid parser
So..Sire dropped covenant conduits @sick sentinel6 (mythic sire) does sylvanas drop covenant conduits?
fringe marten
Look what up?
OK the loot yeah I forgot
wasn't even t hinking about that.
Sylvanas mount is...massively underwhelming.
zenith vigil
hmmm
if i had to dump either scale (upgradeable) or 213 aegis for a dps trinket
which would i dump
for primarily M+ bangin
jagged pier
scale
zenith vigil
even tho i can upgrade it to 249ish?
and my aegis is only a 213 raidfinder?
the dps trinket is only a 229 spare meat hook, but still, feels like i don't really need 2 defensive trinkets
they're just both great
odd nimbus
aegis vs scale,which one is more damage?obviously scale simms better but i wanted to know your experince
jagged pier
yes lfr aegis is better than scale
if your using scale for damage u are using it competely wrong
zenith vigil
oh nah, using it for the fat absorb
odd nimbus
thanks mate for information
jagged pier
u should be upgrading your shield first
zenith vigil
really? I was told scale if you have it
jagged pier
sheild> wep> armour > rings/trinkets
zenith vigil
hm, noted
ya its a 226 from mists that rolled leech
seems like a good idea, cheers jakey
limpid anchor
Idk if its worth using valor on low ilvl gear
limpid anchor
It’s pretty limited and getting it from 236 to 246 is already expensive af
jagged pier
but what if u dont have KSM
zenith vigil
what else am i gonna do with it
limpid anchor
Wdym, just run +15s until you get higher ilvl :D
jagged pier
again not everyone can do that
limpid anchor
If you can’t your upgrades are pretty capped anyway
subtle tulip
Fleshcradt is dope
Fleshcraft is dope but especially in mythic plus there ain't a time to start standing still and casting a couple seconds a shield.
limpid anchor
Can you block while crafting?
ionic fern
Yes.
zenith vigil
pretty sure they changed it so you can do everything
block parry dodge
while channeling
correct me if i'm wrong
subtle tulip
Why block when you can kite with soulshape/Spear :)
jagged pier
why use spear for kiting 🙂
limpid anchor
Why kite, you gotta keep the dps up!
limpid anchor
Dps
sterile stump
How many of you just tank 100% of the time? I'm really struggling to decide which tank I want to play (dk, warr, pally, dh) I love how each plays, I'm leaning more to warr/dk at the moment, I seem to take alot of damage on my DH but like havoc, Prot pally is ok to play but I dont really like ret or holy (this is ranked last atm). But my DK and warr are neck and neck with the main Pro of DK being is nice self sustain and not relying so much on a healer (im pugging alot atm) however I really dont like frost/UH so id be 100% blood.
The main pro of warrior is it seem to have some good damage mitigation and dps, i like the dps specs so could offspec, but Cons are Im reliant on my healer, eventually I will die if my healer goes down or im solo-ing tough content.
jagged pier
i dunno i pug all the time and i dont feel reliant on a healer at all, if played correctly warrior takes the lease damage in the game and in solo content u have victory rush so i dunno play what u like best
ionic fern
Is there any "tough solo content" that you can even die? o.o
jagged pier
i dont think so
ionic fern
You very-very-very-very rarely go down to 80% HP when doing world/solo stuff. 😂
subtle tulip
If you just want to stand still as much as possible and even outheal your own healer pick druid. You Will basically have three buttons to spam.
ionic fern
And that's like..the max that i've gone down to.
Usually your HP barely moves.
jagged pier
torghast layer 12 can be a bit sketchy if u pull to much i suppose
subtle tulip
But if you have fine taste and feel like a challenge id say picking warrior is great option for mobility, dk for self reliance.
subtle tulip
Is there any "tough solo content" that you can even die? o.o
shudders twisting corridors
jagged pier
u died in Twisting corridors?
subtle tulip
Yea i remember when i was gearing dying 5x in a row to the last boss on layer 7.
Dont make fun of me :((
blazing condor
When i did the new campaign i was in shambles thinking i was gonna have to do a torghast layer
Then i remembered its campaign and it was like 3 floors with difficulty of layer 1
jovial steeple
And after, it only Took 2 more hours...... hype
blazing condor
For the campaign???
sterile stump
You very-very-very-very rarely go down to 80% HP when doing world/solo stuff. 😂
i agrre on the warrior, on my DH i take so much damage (tbh its a l2p issue) but just stuff like torghast i guess where if i want a break away from pugs i can go solo it. The one thing I seem to struggle with on my warrior is magic damage and stopping it after SR and kick are on cd
on my dk is easier as i can AMS and grip it in, i also have 2 silences.
steel bane
so I see on logs theres this ability called squeak can someone please tell me wth that is 😦
hollow sun
i died in korthia cause i pulled too much 
jagged pier
how?
orchid slate
You very-very-very-very rarely go down to 80% HP when doing world/solo stuff. 😂
tbf, getting to the SoD entrance is pretty hard solo content 😛
hollow sun
i was on my rog and i forgot i wasn't on my warr
bleak comet
Hi. Are you able to spell reflect every single twist of fate on Fatescribe Mythic?
strong forum
so I see on logs theres this ability called squeak can someone please tell me wt...
It's literally only cpm pad 
steel bane
idek what that means
jagged pier
it doesnt mean anything
it doesnt do anything
it just makes his casts per minute to like 90
subtle tulip
Cast* per minute padding he means :)
jagged pier
your looking at casts
steel bane
IM DUMB
jagged pier
not damage
steel bane
so its just like to fill the gcd waiting for something to push?
steel bane
would that effect parsing is that why this mans parses are soo good
bleak comet
No.
bleak comet
It's a useless toy that doesn't do shit
Anyways
Any prot here that has played fatescribe mythic
jagged pier
:doubt:
steel bane
hes only got 10 more casts of shield slam but is done like 100k more then mine is that just from having a 252 wep?
jagged pier
there are far more thing to do with parsing than just ss casts
steel bane
Im aware
im comparing all the casts I do to what he does and boss time ect
im thinkin its the dps trinkets and the 252 weap that is keepin my parses back
jagged pier
i cant tell without look at your logs
steel bane
I mean I get like 80-90s but I want to do better
jagged pier
🤷
jagged pier
right your looking at casts but not kill times
he gets 10 more casts of ss than u in 2 less minutes
steel bane
oh yea im def didnt look into that aha im still pretty new to logs and such
I know I def need to execute more
jagged pier
well your not running ashen so that wont do much, but it will do a little more
but your casts are low
like SS and TC
so your missing out on a lot of rage u can do stuff with
sure trinkets and stuff to help and your only running defesnive trinkets which is kind of useless in raid because nothing hurts
elfin nova
Any prot here that has played fatescribe mythic
Yes
jagged pier
for instance heres your highest nine kill vs mine in casts yours is the left
strong forum
so its just like to fill the gcd waiting for something to push?
It happens automatically which does literally nothing but an emote, it's not an ability to press
steel bane
okay that def makes sense so I should be hitting ss and tc more so I can cast revenge more as well?
elfin nova
Hi. Are you able to spell reflect every single twist of fate on Fatescribe Mythi...
I think you can but i prio'd using SR for a cast of diviner's probe
jagged pier
but u really need to pay attention to SB
u are hardly using it and u arent intervening or charging
steel bane
yea that seems to pose an issue using reprisal lol
strong forum
52% blocked hits is very low, should be around 80%+ with reprisal
steel bane
yea I def still have lots to work on
jagged pier
yer but look at the casts u actually use SB 9 times less in 30 more seconds
look before u care about dps
u need to play defensively correctly
steel bane
true thats def the most important part
thank you for lookin over my logs and not being rude about it lol
jagged pier
np
subtle tulip
These guys are beasts at logs :) wasnt there a tutorial video going around here on how to analyse your own logs?
torpid junco
When doing super fat pulls when do you use shield wall? Immediately ?
jagged pier
These guys are beasts at logs :) wasnt there a tutorial video going around here ...
yes mine
subtle tulip
Got a link for me when i get back from work :)
blazing condor
When doing super fat pulls when do you use shield wall? Immediately ?
Depends on the pack and my experience with it. Some you learn that you have to pop something early no matter what, like 2nd pack in DOS, others you can do it reactively
jagged pier
Got a link for me when i get back from work :)
blazing condor
But its better to use SW ”too often” rather than to not use it
subtle tulip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1tRp8lULT8
Thanks!
strong forum
But its better to use SW ”too often” rather than to not use it
This
Rather use a CD not perfectly, than not at all
sly lintel
is dis gucci or shitty
subtle tulip
yea that seems to pose an issue using reprisal lol
Also noticed you dont charge as much, dont forget to charge whenever you can :)
modern brook
is dis gucci or shitty
sly lintel
limpid anchor
5 min cd kek
sly lintel
sadgers
subtle tulip
Not as bad as getting consumptive organ for 4 weeks in a row :)
strong forum
is dis gucci or shitty
Trash
jagged pier
damn 7k is close
blazing condor
what key
limpid anchor
That’s what you say
jagged pier
🤔
hollow sun
says he has bubble in cd
jagged pier
🤔
subtle tulip
im not gunna link a NW
Was already looking up my details of the last NW. Hehehe
jagged pier
its point less to many dps increase with weps and orbs
jagged pier
like theres only 1 pump dungeons and thats mists
haughty sleet
Yeah
blazing condor
Did you go seismic or rep?
haughty sleet
I like beating dps in mists
jagged pier
so even without seimic i can get 7k
haughty sleet
Always get comments about my dps in there
blazing condor
Im usually just around 6k
limpid anchor
Why is mists different? What do I miss
blazing condor
But i dont really care
blazing condor
Revenj
haughty sleet
Mists
errant leaf
What level ? 8m seems low
errant leaf
haughty sleet
That was just a 14
limpid anchor
Do you guys run ravager in m+ or is itf more dps?
hollow sun
ravager
limpid anchor
Or uf, I guess
sweet summit
strong forum
UF is dead
limpid anchor
TC playstyle when :(
hollow sun
i hope never again
sweet summit
next xpac 
tulip arch
When they put Demo Shout back on Anger Management and you equip Thunderlord leggo
tulip arch
I do miss the crazy feedback loops we had before with Anger Management
errant leaf
Thunderlord 
blazing condor
Its a bit 
that the best damage also generates rage
lavish oracle
Best damage what?
sweet summit
BFA thunderclap
lavish oracle
Oh, gothcha
lavish oracle
Thought he meant TL
errant leaf
Must have been smthing
sweet summit
prot peaked in bfa dont @ me
lavish oracle
Modern prot's probably better designed
errant leaf
What was the tank meta in legion m+ ?
sweet summit
bdk i think
lavish oracle
Dk
sweet summit
ye
lavish oracle
Bear was fun in keys
limpid anchor
You are still locked into talents
lavish oracle
That's what I did on bear too
sweet summit
nah we have way more choices in talents now than bfa
limpid anchor
The soulstorm bdk time was fun
lavish oracle
There's so much flexibility in our talents, right now
sweet summit
ilvl>haste>vers
limpid anchor
Maybe I don’t see it. Raid and m+ is different, but a lot of choice? Nah
primal cape
vers useless atm
sweet summit
its not useless
shell fox
since we have a talent that increases our haste
sweet summit
just over valued
primal cape
did pf18 with 4%
limpid anchor
Did nw 19 with 10. what now?
primal cape
im seeing more and more prot with at least 30% hate
limpid anchor
My hate in pugs is always at 90%
lavish oracle
Maybe I don’t see it. Raid and m+ is different, but a lot of choice? Nah
All three last row talents are playable in keys, so are ITF and ravager, so is BSC and BV. If you don't see it, you're not looking
blazing condor
B-b-b-but everyone on the top leaderboard gems and enchants vers!!!
tulip arch
You really should be using Anger Management ;)
shell fox
10% crit
13% haste
23.60 versa
26.19 mastery
is that good for mythic plus?
im using the wall legendary.
sweet summit
All three last row talents are playable in keys, so are ITF and ravager, so is B...
and storm bolt/double time 😎
lavish oracle
Tru
primal cape
leaving HR for AM was the best decision of my life
sweet summit
that's extremely low haste there derstr
shell fox
10% crit
13% haste
23.60 versa
26.19 mastery
is that good for mythic plus?
im u...
since im using the haste talent...
sweet summit
generally should not run into the fray in m+
sweet summit
well
shell fox
i prefeer wall
lavish oracle
Can be
sweet summit
ok so
limpid anchor
Block uptime is so high anyway
lavish oracle
Lots of high key pushers using it for tyrannical
primal cape
i was sceptical to leave HR, but it justs help you to manage SB a better way, and refreshing more often reprisal imo
shell fox
so reprisal's better?
primal cape
sure
shell fox
than wall?
primal cape
m+ yes
sweet summit
numerically its better in every way
shell fox
eh. here i go... recraft shit.
lavish oracle
The only time I use The Wall anymore is on Eye
sweet summit
yeah eye and sylvanas are the two places i'd use the wall
shell fox
i saw top 1 using pelagos
sly lintel
I need some good WA pack suggestions for warrior tank ,reinstalled my pc and lost my tank one :kekw
primal cape
dps overall around 4.5k/6k5 depending of dung
shell fox
not worth 3% less magic damage?
sweet summit
3% is most likely not going to save you
mikanikos is a huge dps increase
shell fox
oh boy.
shell fox
reprisal on boots then?
lavish oracle
Reactive retrofitting does some work too
blazing condor
A 50k magic damage hit without the 3% DR is 51500
sweet summit
legs
sweet summit
just go boots then 
main reason to take legs is higher stat budget and mythic sylvanas drops higher ilvl boots
primal cape
ul sell npc bro
sweet summit
if you have 252 haste vers legs and is not going to kill mythic sylvanas on that character you can honestly just craft it on boots
i think thats completely fine
obtuse monolith
The stats aren’t going to make or break you but you will get more going 252->262 in legs than boots, even if 259 is out of reach
sweet summit
very true
short kiln
So Ive been back to tanking keys now that Mika hit cap and I find myself back to overcapping rage and my blocked hits have dropped about 10 to 15%. My dps is through the roof and I'm not dying but I know that I need to get this back under control in order to keep pushing higher. Used to cycle spear and ravager from pack to pack but with both of them being up for every pull now, it feels wasteful not to just send them every pull. How are you all handling this now?
I'm sure I need to charge weave more which is part of it, and my cpm is between 45 and 48
Probably missing shield slam procs cause revenge is a hell of a drug
lavish oracle
Pressing IP and revenge more, mostly
🤷♂️
45-48 cpm is pretty low for prot
Usually we chill around 60
short kiln
I mean, I'm at say, 300+ revenge casts and 200ish ss
lavish oracle
Lots of OGCD buttons to work with
short kiln
Have logs obviously
lavish oracle
If you're pressing revenge and still overcapping rage, just press IP
Those are the two options
short kiln
Yeah I think that's a place to start
lavish oracle
That wasn't so bad, remember when we couldn't block ranged attacks
Had to do janky LoS shit every other pull
lavish oracle
We were still better than most people thought
sweet summit
didnt play prot in 8.0 😎
limpid anchor
Yes
sweet summit
5150
shell fox
good.
oblique garnet
8.0 was honestly shit for us
? Prot was still good
jagged pier
☝️
left rapids
One quick question: is there a guideline as to how much ilvl can be sacrificed for a domination item? feels weird rejecting 252 items for 226 ilvl-socket items.
oblique garnet
In raid its worth in m+ its not
modern brook
didnt play prot in 8.0 😎
W e were viable
blazing condor
? Prot was still good
I played it loads and had no issues but we had a lot of shit going for us that was janky
Aka no blocked ranged or ip on gcd
modern brook
The only important part about 8.0
oblique garnet
Ip being on gcd was annoying but damage wise we were really good
modern brook
Was that our low dps dungeons still out dpsed most classes
short kiln
Yo @jagged pier wanna give me a log review?
modern brook
Like classes not tanks
Warrior absolutely fucked on meters till season 3
Where it only topped then
true olive
Those were good times
oblique garnet
Warrior absolutely fucked on meters till season 3
Loved s4 and doing 100k + overalls
left rapids
In raid its worth in m+ its not
thanks for the quick anwer. Is there any written ressource that goes in depth with this? The guides in the ressource section mostly cover what the bonuses do, but there is no math/gearing advice
oblique garnet
Gearing wise just safe bet is to sim yourself
lavish oracle
Honestly, our damage is creeping up there again
oblique garnet
Generally on offpieces ilvl>all
lavish oracle
Just gotta buff our ST
jagged pier
i mean 30 ilvls on a piece doesnt equal like 3% damage from a gem or the shield from kyr i was say if u have max gems its worth tbh
lavish oracle
Ending dungeons at 6k without very much thought to optimizing routes for big pulls and CDs
jagged pier
Yo <@179993058186625025> wanna give me a log review?
id rather u learn yourself
left rapids
Generally on offpieces ilvl>all
yes thats very much clear, but 2% dmg increase on a socket item as a result seems pretty much stronger than the stats the high ilvl item gives for example. Ok. Back to simming then. ty
short kiln
I gotcha. I read the logs in the way you taught us. All good bud. :)
jagged pier
i can have a look though
short kiln
When you're measuring your cpm, you checking active time or overall?
jagged pier
overall
oblique garnet
Good job jakey helping the people
jagged pier
i mean it dependant on dungeon and how much down time
just looking at one of my mists runs i had like 65cpm overall
not bad though
short kiln
So yes. Rookie numbers. Lol
modern brook
Large downtime usually point to a routing issue or 3 braincelled dps
jagged pier
well depends what dungeon if its like top or soa where theres a lot of downtime
mists i bascailly never stop
62 when active isnt that bad it can be higher
but its not bad
short kiln
I checked across all 3 runs last night and the numbers are nearly identical for casts and ratios
48 ish and 62 to 63 during uptime.
Im allergic to IP as a rule so I'm going to start using that a bit more often and see how it helps.
Since it's off gcd
And get back to some more aggressive charge weaves.
oblique garnet
Healers heal
short kiln
I mean look, I'm not dying and I'm top 3 dps consistently in all my runs, but not playing defensive enough is going to kill me if I want to push 15 and higher. That's where all of this is coming from
Just want to improve and thanks to all of you, I have a good picture of what good looks like
hollow sun
if i don't use IP i always overcap a lot
short kiln
What feels good in a key might not actually be good based on the resulting logs
hollow sun
like, most of the times the rage generated is so much that you don't have enough globals to spend it
short kiln
Which help to point out the gaps which hold you back from progress
limpid anchor
Why are you top 3 dps tho
limpid anchor
Or bad team
short kiln
To be fair, I was running with a very undergeared enh shaman in one slot, but still.
This should not be true in a 10 PF
buoyant pasture
My 227 rogue Sims ST @6k dps and is often higher thanks to multi-target, looks like the DPS was having a hard time
short kiln
Mika is a hell of a drug.
robust dagger
Is it common for dps to struggle on the 2nd boss in sanguine depths?
I did two runs yesterday and we struggled on that boss both times. Dps not switching to add x_x
robust dagger
Lmao
Just a confusing concept to me. I used to main dps and switching is so god damn easy
Kept sharing dmg done to add and every time I had way more single target on the add as my dps
limpid anchor
„Someone else is gonna kill it anyway“
„Just a low hp mob LOL“
„Why did we wipe“
„Stupid ass tank, l2p“
hollow sun
i depleted halls 10 yesterday, so everything is possible 😄
sly lintel
Feeling when healer says "USE IGNORE PAIN!!"
rough egret
I got smacked by 1st boss in SD17.. dont know what was wrong
shell fox
I got smacked by 1st boss in SD17.. dont know what was wrong
too much orbs being soaked at the same time?
rough egret
Could be.. or its maybe due to my gear
Dont want to point that to rsham heal
Was kinda low on HP for whole fight
Its my prot set
Maybe low for 17s
So I lower it to 15 and timed it np
amber surge
do we pick auto phial with mika? seems like a troll
mellow bridge
it's not too bad
strong forum
Maybe low for 17s
I mean 232 is aight for 17s
But first boss is easily one of the hardest bosses in m+ currently imo, especially as prot you have some vulnerability phases and the constant group dmg intake makes it so you don't get alot of direct healing
And it's frequent enough so that our mitigation isn't up for everything
rough egret
Alright
I would not pick autophial for necrotic week but outside that I found it okayish
amber surge
i like to have it for executioner so healer doesnt cry as much
rich sorrel
so I am one of those few monkeys who still plays venthyr, I am currently considering the switch from draven to theotar, any pointers?
jagged pier
u should be nadjia as venthyr no?
indigo pagoda
is piercing lens from the eye adds reflectable or blockable?
sweet summit
neither
cinder pasture
I'm pretty sure I reflected the piercing lens on Wednesday
cinder pasture
Adds yea, cause that's what he was asking about 👀
devout robin
does the fatescribe trinket work like the sun king one?
sweet summit
FbV 🤢
limpid anchor
no
limpid anchor
it casts BR on you
sweet summit
yah
devout robin
thanks, now i can switch to arms loot for it lol
mellow bridge
yeah
devout robin
sweet
mellow bridge
solid trinket
plush tendon
and theotar arms?
The soulbind I gave you allowed you to play arms to its potential and only swaps out 'show of force' for a extra endurance for prot
which isnt terrible
neat pebble
Hey guys why some warrior goes for legi (reprisal) on pants and other on feed. Whats the best choice?
plush tendon
You run 'show of force' then 'ashen jug' as Venthyr Prot
rich sorrel
The soulbind I gave you allowed you to play arms to its potential and only swaps...
I'll try that ❤️ ty ty
plush tendon
also, the third endurance (the deep wounds one) was filler.
I put unnerving focus at the top so you didnt have it as arms (kind of useless for arms and im assuming prot is offspec)
amber herald
do we pick auto phial with mika? seems like a troll
I use it, a heal at 35% is pretty nice and means you're getting the most out of your phial's heal
obtuse monolith
I know Nadjia is technically best for Arms Fury and Prot but if you’re multispec Draven is pretty damn solid. Especially w Renown 57. I save Nadjia for Fury
amber herald
phials nice but you can kite/ip most dots, except for infectious rain which I delete my phials before going down to the boss for
plush tendon
I know Nadjia is technically best for Arms Fury and Prot but if you’re multispec...
Draven is a trap
north rampart
Draven bad?
obtuse monolith
Built for War my friend
Oops I meant Battlefield Presence. That’s the capstone.
north rampart
If i want to rocks 2 tank trinkets, and i habe the ageis from the 9 already wich should i go for as my 2nd tanky trink?
220 stone legion is soooo last season.
obtuse monolith
Matrix is decently big damage and reduction. It’s not on-use, but that makes it pair okay w something else that is like Aegis
north rampart
Nice i keep an eye out for it
vapid berry
i went mikanikos, having spear more often means more rage and tbh not a bad soulbind tree for tanking
id swap to kleia for necrotic weeks though for that 8 seconds no debuf
probably grievous also? depends on what dungeon
shell fox
interesting choice
jagged pier
mik is the go to soulbind for kyrian now
vapid berry
so imo you really only need the covenant ability on ur potency conduit and the rest are ur double defensives and double utility like here ill send you a screenshot of what ive chosen
shell fox
mk have so low defensive conduits
vapid berry
shell fox
im worried about It.
vapid berry
nothing wrong with jakeys either. Tbh go whatever route you like i prefer what I did bc I can use my kyrian pot as heal/knockback and sometimes the knockback is so clutch I cant imagine not having it also I dont like the game using my healing pot for me when I dont need it. Also the passive shield from taking hits is real good on the overall healing
chilly brook
The only reason I'm not playing with the route that Jakey showed is because I'm mainly a dps player now
shell fox
it makes sense
vapid berry
I do raid mythic atm, only 4/10
chilly brook
And conduit energy is a thing
vapid berry
yeah like I use mik for tank and dps it kinda sucks
think ive figured out now where to place my dps/tank conduits so i can just swap between them but i need to wait for my energy to come back
vapid berry
yeah for sure he is
keep in mind you dont need to play a specific soulbind tree to make your tank viable. Warrior tank can be any of the covenants and do just fine its not required for good tank warrior play its really up to you what you like. There are situations where one will be better then the other given the current week for m+ for example necrotic/grievous weeks kleia will be better just because you can immune the dots for 8 seconds every 3 minutes and that can pair well with dps cd's for big pulls that they save cds for but would just kill you with how much necro stacks. Sorry for the wall
jagged pier
i honestly think its fine
its never used it out of a situation
where i wouldnt use it anyway
🤷
vapid berry
well there are times where adds are dying and I'll live but dip below 35 and then it uses my pot and it messes it up for when I would need it later on. Takes away my agency from situation to situation and thats what I dont like about. Meanwhile the oppsoite side encourages my choice to use it or not from situation to situation
blazing condor
Considering the horrible time it takes for phial to go on cd after leaving combat its just messy
I mostly use phial to remove effect, and not heal
But if you get fucked somewhere and drop low for a split sec it can be a long time until you get it back
If at all during raids
Idk it just felt jank to me
vapid berry
yeah it can troll you pretty hard somtimes and sometimes you dont realize its done it until you want to use it later
you can still run the auto phial if you want theres not really anything wrong with it, its just not my preference 😄
patent osprey
fk
auto
phial
that aint it
it defeats the purpose of phial to remove bleeds/disease/poison when u need it
zenith vigil
well
pika can't take phial because
he's the superior cov, night fae
and will remain so forever
strong forum
In the dungeons where you want phial for X mechanic, you just swap out of autophial
distant crystal
the the extra pot that big
strong forum
Or just use the tree I linked a few days ago
obtuse monolith
They have physical attacks but only the forsworn w the chains is blockable.
fossil valley
right so i just IP the fight
obtuse monolith
Yeah, and wall lego
fossil valley
tnx
obtuse monolith
Np. Reducing your deathlink damage reduces what goes out to raid too so SW, IP, and DS good for that
lethal granite
Hi guys, recently started playing prot, going to craft my first legendary and got me wondering, is there a soft cap on haste and verse we should aim for?
vapid berry
Hi guys, recently started playing prot, going to craft my first legendary and go...
not really sure about caps but I go for 20% haste and try to get the rest into verse. I try to push keys and when im tanking having as much verse as you can get helps so much
lethal granite
Thanks, I thought myself 20% would be good to aim for so I'll continue with that number
jagged pier
no
u want your haste to be as close to 40% with the highest ilvl u have
vers means nothing
vapid berry
what pov is that analysis from @jagged pier ? if youre pushing high content you absolutely need verse theres no if and or butts about it haste means very little compared to verse when you reach 20 or so %
jagged pier
^^
haste is also more rage
which is more damage reduction than what vers can give u
like vers literally means nothing
@strong forum been running around tanking 17s-18s this patch with 2% vers
blazing condor
Obviously vers is always gonna be good and the more the merrier
But you dont want to trade away haste in abundance for it
jagged pier
dont get me wrong vers is a break stats after haste
but there is no % of haste where u start going for vers
safe thistle
so you only want item with high haste/low any stat.
jagged pier
^^
blazing condor
But people are allowed to play how they want
The top io people dont have 39% haste and low vers
They gem and enchant vers
Doesnt mean its a neccesity
jagged pier
of course but saying we only want 20% it just wrong
safe thistle
you can go for full crit build and be a parry machine for fun and throttle like said earlier playstyle make it go or not
jagged pier
its nessecary for the content they are doing
if u are not doing 25s
there is zero point in doing that
sure u can copy what the top players are doing but if u dont understand why they are doing then u probably have a mis understanding, they do a lot of things that are unneeded in like all the content outside of the key lvls they are in
safe thistle
sure u can copy what the top players are doing but if u dont understand why they...
like those that try HR on low keys...
jagged pier
for instance a lot of ppl are just running HR, because the top ppl are doing
safe thistle
lol
jagged pier
and even with HR they get less blocked hits than me running AM
because they dont understand the class. concepts enough
the vers thing was a meme in BFA, it should have died there
chilly brook
like vers literally means nothing
But in BFA season 4 I ran vers for my 15s and took no damage
safe thistle
ilvl > High Haste > low Haste > any stat
chilly brook
chilly brook
Sorry I shoulda added /s
safe thistle
i didnt tanked in BFA maybe its a good thing.
blazing condor
I only tanked the worst m+ patches lol
safe thistle
which one was it
chilly brook
8.1 was BiS
safe thistle
that was uldir ?
blazing condor
BoD
safe thistle
oh yah loved bod
jagged pier
when Bom was put in
blazing condor
back in my day you just ran DC and the SS one
All you youngings with your BOM stacks and corruption
safe thistle
never tanked in corruption
jagged pier
it was fun
running inef and td
but being whispered about vers for a lvl 15
nah
never again
jagged pier
🤔
chilly brook
but being whispered about vers for a lvl 15
Kekw
I remember this
Like bro I'm not dying in a 15 in season 4
I also remember running TD7 and deleting packs
safe thistle
even those not on your floors... 😛
jagged pier
Like bro I'm not dying in a 15 in season 4
not gunna die, but being top damage as well
chilly brook
And if you did you did it on purpose to proc meta for a big ass pull
Ngl DH pre SL was better
No matter what I do though I can't get away from being a woyer
safe thistle
glutonny build was fun
chilly brook
glutonny build was fun
I miss that talent a lot
vapid berry
I just disagree with the idea that you want all haste and little verse. Haste is nice to generate rage but its not like we have rage generation issues. We do however have magic damage mitigation issues not to mention bleeds and verse helps handle that damage on top of what you'd get out of ignore pain. haste to 20 or so and rest into verse. To me theres no question about it yeah the top players are running all verse and i've always been the guy to say dont take what the top are doing and apply it to yourself because you arent those people but haste doesnt do that much for you like verse does.
If you run AM haste might seem like the only stat to go for I suppose but bc we are generating most of our rage in cd windows like avatar, ravager, demo shout and covenant abilities youd only want haste to smooth out your rotation not try to get so much that you become a rage dump machine to get ur cds back as quickly as possible you cant get enough haste for that build to be a thing anyways verse is just better
modern brook
That's like fundamentally wrong
chilly brook
I just disagree with the idea that you want all haste and little verse. Haste is...
You realize
More rage
Also helps mitigate the problems we have
Right?
Even if you're not running AM, haste brings huge value
modern brook
- we don't go for haste we go for ilvl and favor haste 2) we do so because haste has the most direct impact on rage generation which leads to more everything making the stat the most valuable in the abstract 3) you stack verse in high keys because a passive 20% wall is needed to survive random casts and unavoidable damage because lmao scaling
chilly brook
Because more shield slam resets which is big for running HR
Which a lot of players are in higher keys
blazing condor
Also 20% vers is only 10% DR so its not really all that
worthy karma
I try to stack haste and have like 13% ish verse because of the 5% verse power we got this season
distant crystal
kinda loving the puddle strats in PF
chilly brook
Honestly the TLDR is that your stats aren't as impactful as people think
Playing well is
distant crystal
where you just kill a red ooze then keep pulling packs onto it
and double dipping with the necrolord aura
lavish oracle
Yeah, I think generally if you like verse more and you have enough haste to make the class feel good to play, go verse
safe thistle
PF or NW are meme donjon
vapid berry
obviously theres no question rage gives more ignore pains and the like but you have to realize and its just not accepting the reality of it you dont, that you cannot get to the amount of haste needed that you generate so much rage it makes it the best stat to shoot for over verse. I can't agree with it. You aren't even face tanking mobs in mythic + and you arent always the target of bosses in raids. In M+ you dont rely on ur haste to generate rage for you thats all in ur cds if you rely on your haste its because you are face tanking and thats not what you should be doing you pull around your cds and try to keep your shieldblock up via charge intervene or regular stacks while weaving ignore pains.
It's more or less the same in raid haste generates rage for us but its not THAT MUCH your rage comes from ur cds mostly otherwise you're just managing ur rage with shield slams to make sure you always have enough for shield blocks. Haste is nice but its not the best stat
distant crystal
lol
blazing condor
distant crystal
wall of text crits you for 75K
you die
sometimes your own well-intended logic is not enough to be right
lavish oracle
safe thistle
i dont get it gear get 2 stat
distant crystal
logic is a good way to come up with things to test empirically, not so much a good way to come up with the right answer
safe thistle
go for haste/vers and be happy with your logic
flat pewter
would you guys say that Stitchflesh's ring is an upgrade over 230 one? I can socket it
jagged pier
yees
safe thistle
yes and you can even improve it 😛
distant crystal
yep, although i prob wouldn't socket it just yet
lavish oracle
Mhm, I shoot for about 25% haste and then stop worrying about it
distant crystal
until you put holes in all your keeper 252+ pieces
safe thistle
i have 30% haste and 15% vers and i feel i lack haste
flat pewter
until you put holes in all your keeper 252+ pieces
I mean, I'm sitting on 50k research
vapid berry
Yeah ik its a lot but gotta get my point across before a spam of sentences come in about why what I just said was wrong before i could follow up 🙂
flat pewter
might as well spend 3k
distant crystal
but muh conduit upgrades
safe thistle
first week i got sin stained 252 socket life is great
jagged pier
lucky
strong forum
Die vers die
safe thistle
i wont need a nexck for the rest of the patch
distant crystal
so if you were going to faction swap and had to ditch the BiS race (dorf)
what would you pick on horde site
hypothetically
jagged pier
vulpera
strong forum
distant crystal
then i'd have to go do questlines to unlock
safe thistle
yah the seoncd heartstone you can set anywhere is pretty sick
faction change you lose your m+ rating i think but not race change unless it changed with bliz rating
strong forum
And now that m+ score is an actual thing, it certainly won't be lost
safe thistle
ya im a noob with those stuff
jagged pier
because its pog for damage and pretty go m+
safe thistle
the question would be more, why not ?
ocean yoke
pumping is life
shell fox
i prefeer defensive tanking
jagged pier
thats really not a thing anymore
daring marlin
Defensive tanking?
safe thistle
theres no defensive tanking.... its all cd
strong forum
Defensive tanking doesn't exist
safe thistle
you can try to go get defense skill 😛
shell fox
and then smashed in magic damage
dense rune
if you get smashed by anything, a cd will help and your stats will not
sturdy sable
I mean people put on two tank trinkets and think thats defensive tanking
strong forum
Defensive tanking is a term bad tanks use to excuse their low dps. When in reality they're actually not defensive at all
Because playing well = good dps naturally
daring marlin
Defensive tanking is a term bad tanks use to excuse their low dps. When in reali...
TRUUUUUEEEEE
jagged pier
^^
dense rune
def tanking means dump rage on ignore pain instead of revenge
sturdy sable
^
shell fox
tanking and dps dont suit lol
chilly brook
obviously theres no question rage gives more ignore pains and the like but you h...
I guess @ionic fern is wrong then
shell fox
play dps then
shell fox
this is wow now?
sturdy sable
If your doing more damage your probably generating and spending more rage which in terms increases your "tanky" ness
safe thistle
are you eating your borritos during the thime your shield block is up ?
strong forum
Playing optimally includes dealing good dps aswell, not just spamming IP thinking you're doing a good job
jagged pier
chilly brook
tanking and dps dont suit lol
You should tell that to our DH tank that did 6k on The Nine last night in mythic on a prog kill
Didnt even die but our bear did
ocean yoke
if you kill faster you take less damage pump always best
chilly brook
Like you realize
You doing good damage as a tank
Is integral to playing defensively yes?
shell fox
ik i did 5.3 on +17
safe thistle
i like to make some low dps feel terrible about themself like dk does with healer on the healing meter
chilly brook
Like 85% of having high damage as a tank is just pressing buttons