raid torghast and the maw
#protection
jagged pier
placid oar
Thanks a lot Dadugan and Jakey
fringe marten
so 1 shard is 2.5% damage on engage with new target for 20 sec, 1 shard is stacks .4% damage 3 times on a target forever..so like 1.2% more damage... So those stack.
That's 2 shards.
placid oar
I’ll try to get normal raid done at least then
Still hoping for a shield to drop in my vault 🤞🏻
fringe marten
third shard..bek.. 2.5% more damage to mobs you have more than 50% health than ( so last half of a raid boss/pack of trash..etc)
jagged pier
@placid oar accretion is 1 shard and its 2 ranks off max rank
fringe marten
Now add ALL of those together...that's HUGE damage gain. Now add in Kyr shard (accretion shield)
fringe marten
Yeah my accretion is rank 4 and it's a ton of free damage absorb; which I WAY prefer over 'healing'
fringe marten
The problem is; getting the armor and shards...THEN the stygian embers to rank them.
placid oar
I guess I shall pick my domination gear even if it’s normal the next time I see it
Really appreciate it
fringe marten
One more big thing; the potency of the 'set bonus' of the 3 shards is based on the lowest rank all 3 shards have. So if 1 shard is rank 5, and 1 shard is 4, and 1 shard is 1...it's a rank 1 set bonus.
the set bonus scales like ? 20/25% per rank..it's HUGE
So rank up your preferred set evenly.
placid oar
Okay got it, thanks for that Dadugan
jagged pier
thats only if u raid tbh, if u dont just power up the shards u want
fringe marten
NP. As an example of how strong the blood set bonus is..on my heroic sylvanas kill.. It was my TOP damage ability #1..above shield slam.
placid oar
As for soulbinds, I will go Forgelite as per icy veins and understand the rationale behind it.
For shard bonus, it’s okay to forgo the set bonus since I don’t raid correct? I was thinking of just following the individual recommended shard
fringe marten
You want to raid, even if you aren't in a guild...you'll want to pug normal/heroic so you can GET the normal/heroic domination armor..AND Stygian embers to rank them up.
IE you HAVE to raid.
=\
placid oar
thats only if u raid tbh, if u dont just power up the shards u want
Ah I see
placid oar
IE you HAVE to raid.
😔 okay will try… I use to mythic raid but due to commitments it has been harder to find the time
fringe marten
Heroic isn't that tough, pugs can clear up to sylvanas I think solidly each week now..sylvanas might still give some pugs trouble.
That's fine..jump into some norm/heroic pugs.
The only real raid 'commitment' now..is mythic.
placid oar
Okay, yea cos I barely get 4 keys done every week
fringe marten
The other thing the raid has is the best purely defensive Key tanking trinket in the game atm.
placid oar
Will definitely try to get some raid lugging in
placid oar
The other thing the raid has is the best purely defensive Key tanking trinket in...
Haha yea, I’ve seen the thread on it here. Will be trying to get it as well
Thanks for the reminder 😃
fringe marten
we have 3? kills on Mythic 9 now, 4 heroic kills, 4 normal kills... I got 1 normal aegis on first kill. I cry myself to sleep constantly.
placid oar
Is the normal aegis better than a max valor scale?
jagged pier
yes
placid oar
Oh wow
placid oar
Okay that is huge
fringe marten
I have a 220 scale, and a 226 aegis.. The 220 scale isn't going to get 'that' much more powerful.. and as such; the aegis is much better.
placid oar
With that in mind, can I inquire on the best trinket combination for M+? It’s my main source of gear
jagged pier
aegis/ matrix, phial, emitter. hymal,
placid oar
I’m still running scale and phial from last season
fringe marten
It's the 'way' it works..forget about the uncapped mitigation or whatever (but yes that's why) The reason is, time... when you pop your scale you get a couple seconds? if that of stability on a tough pull in a key..and they crack through scales absorb. When you pop aegis you basically get 8 seconds of rock solid stability...hence why it's just better.
placid oar
Is hymal the one from the world quest? Pardon my lack of knowledge
jagged pier
yes
fringe marten
Hymnal of the Path. it's fairly ok..was always good for single target.
placid oar
It's the 'way' it works..forget about the uncapped mitigation or whatever (but y...
Ah I see
jagged pier
dude 194 does the same damage as a 226 phial
so when we get an updated verison its going ot be nutty
fringe marten
If you don't have any good trinkets try running normal or hard mode tazavesh for the codex of the first technique. (Very powerful for raid tanking, and not too bad for keys)
It's too random for my tastes; I have a 200 or 203? hymnal my 236 phial consistently beats it
And for 'single target' damage...IE bosses, the Ticking sack of terror is bananas for prot.
placid oar
Okay got it, thanks a lot Dadugan. Really appreciate the detailed info, helps in my understanding
fringe marten
I did our heroic clear this week with phial/ticking sack..and sack SHIT on phial every single boss.
by a large margin
(Ticking sack of terror also comes from tazavesh btw)
placid oar
Ahh okok, will try to get the Aegis and Phial
Was actually thinking if I should keep doing DOS for the scale haha but I guess I will not
fringe marten
You'll still want to..simply because there's no guarantee you get an aegis.
You have 'more' chances to get scale, and it's still very good.
visual wedge
You have 'more' chances to get scale, and it's still very good.
This is cap. I’ve cleared soooo many DoS keys and didn’t get a drop neither from great vault.
Still farming, at this point I think I could go clear and heroic nine and get it except I’ve never done heroic yet
ionic fern
Pelagos is the "default" option due to being "beginner" friendly. No auto consume phials/knockbacks and what not. @placid oar
I will add a better indicator on the top of the guide and mention specifically Mika (it's already mentioned in M+ section as well)..i sometimes forget that people don't like to read. 😦
jagged pier
a lot of ppl dont like reading lets be honest
the amount of ppl who just skim over parts in your guide
zenith vigil
that would hurt their feelings...if they could read!
but they can't read this either!
ionic fern
the amount of ppl who just skim over parts in your guide
That's understandable tbh. It was my fault with the layout on this one.
placid oar
Pelagos is the "default" option due to being "beginner" friendly. No auto consum...
Oh not your fault at all Mwahi. I was just trying to multitask too much and just assumed while I skimmed through.
A good guide regardless, and thank you! 😃
ionic fern
When in doubt, always come ask here. 
Guides are afterall a starting place.
placid oar
When in doubt, always come ask here. <:deswind:533073964096946176>
Guides are a...
Got it 🤗
fringe marten
Furness...I try and run at least like 2 DoS 15+ a day..at this point? I dunno HOW many I've done and no scale. I have gotten both IQD and OPC, and traded another IQD away...if that tells you anything.
zenith vigil
i got scale on my first m0 run
and aegis out of lfr
lucky looter gang rise up, i need it because i'm bad at the game
fringe marten
I'm not dumping like 4000 valor into a scale to level it up that's insane
visual wedge
Furness...I try and run at least like 2 DoS 15+ a day..at this point? I dunno HO...
It is clear that we are not the chosen tanks 😭
zenith vigil
just remember
the worst tanks get the best loot
so if yall got shit loot it means ur good at the game
fringe marten
The worst players get the best loot always.
visual wedge
I’m so unlucky with loot that I still am at 221 I can’t get loot at all
fringe marten
Your dogwater parsing carry in your mythic team always gets like the hottest loot WITH sockets and tertiary stats on your first kills.
zenith vigil
I’m so unlucky with loot that I still am at 221 I can’t get loot at all
run m+? like 7 and above is 225
native coyote
after ~8 months I finally got a Scale from the great vault, so it can happen 🙂
visual wedge
And I’m just not getting loot lmfaooo
fringe marten
Since I did get a normal mode aegis; It doesn't break my heart if I don't get a scale though..it's just to put in the 'toolbag'
zenith vigil
after ~8 months I finally got a Scale from the great vault, so it can happen 🙂
when i swapped to DH in 9.0 i got 226 scale from first vault and holy shit my co raid tank was mad as fuck
ionic fern
when i swapped to DH in 9.0 i got 226 scale from first vault and holy shit my co...
Understandable tbh.
fringe marten
The toolbag that NOW has 6 spare shards sitting in it all the damn time.
zenith vigil
Understandable tbh.
I'll do you one better, I played arms in legion and got both bis legendaries in the first week
ionic fern
Ok. 🙂
zenith vigil
got actual written death threats for that one
ionic fern
I'll one up you. I got my bis legendaries as the last ones.
zenith vigil
and you write the guides
I told you
worst players, best loot
best players, worst loot
fringe marten
100% of my loot luck, forever was used in legion...I got Kakushans Stormscale gauntlets on like day 2 from some rando quest or world kill.
ionic fern
best players, worst loot
See, that's where you're wrong.
I'm one of the worst ones and still have shitty loot.
zenith vigil
now that's just being humble
visual wedge
See, that's where you're wrong.
I'm one of the worst ones and still have shitty ...
You write literal prot guides any prot warrior should read, you are probably in the top % of players
visual wedge
Ohh I get it, you pug a 15 cause you feel invincible and get clapped 10 seconds in? Yeh I feel that too
ionic fern
Tbh...knowing the class/math/formulas etc != good player.
zenith vigil
yes, but unironically
ionic fern
Some of the smartest people i know about WoW classes etc don't even play the game. 😂
zenith vigil
next you're gonna tell me that the math in guides doesn't always add up to people's actual experiences in game
ionic fern
jagged pier
mwahi kept dying in the keys we did on tuesday because he kept out aggroing me on his low gear dps char
fringe marten
WTF..? when you click "add to reservoir" and you dump 12k ?! anima in ...JFC game.
...who does that say something bad about?
jagged pier
i wanted to play arms 😦
ionic fern
WTF..? when you click "add to reservoir" and you dump 12k ?! anima in ...JFC gam...
What on earth..how are you carrying all that? My bags would be full. 😂
fringe marten
Mwahi fail..or jakey fail? or group fail for bringing either of you? WHO DO WE POINT THE FINGER AT?!
ionic fern
i wanted to play arms 😦
I can tank this time. 😦
fringe marten
Mwahi I couldn't dump in, I had to go buy the stupid...5 korthite shard thing, so I could deposit
ionic fern
Mwahi fail..or jakey fail? or group fail for bringing either of you? WHO DO WE...
Tbh..we had 3 prot SF's and me in that one group..with 3 of us DPS'ing.
😂
jagged pier
WTF..? when you click "add to reservoir" and you dump 12k ?! anima in ...JFC gam...
theres an anima vendor near the vault u can buy korthia crystals there and get fre gold
fringe marten
Jakey yeah...that's why I had to go make the trip
It wouldn't let me deposit
..ok doing a quick pug 15 dos..
seismic boots on pure dps trinkets ..cmon scale~
ionic fern
I got 15 mists. 
fringe marten
for 'blast' keys I like OPC and Decanter of howling...
ionic fern
i have 18 something havent even looked at my key
We should do a Prot only key with 1 healer and everyone running Seismic.
ionic fern
Ofc.
jagged pier
boesses would suck
fringe marten
^^
ionic fern
We'll take a hpally
jagged pier
its tyran week
jagged pier
thats a good idea
jagged pier
ionic fern
Meanwhile i'm rocking my 203 Anima field emitter.
fringe marten
ok..
operation..out dps the low io players commence
let's see how it goes
(bet I just die)
ionic fern
Reading IO is wild now.
"2k?" ok, means everything is done on a +15 or something
"2.1k?" ok..now everything is done on 19
jagged pier
fringe marten
io 2k/2100..meaingless...they can still be apes (myself included)
orchid frigate
how do you counter dark shroud on narzudah in NW?
orchid frigate
but i wanna kill
jagged pier
🤷
languid juniper
how do you counter dark shroud on narzudah in NW?
just play belf and racial ez pez
visual wedge
Skipping is just so much easier
orchid frigate
juicy %
visual wedge
U can get that percent in the patrol pack further up
Or even in the pack that stands still by the necromancer
languid juniper
tbh if you dont have smt to dispell narzudah just dont bother doing it
and if you do it pick up the 2 marauder before hand
orchid frigate
why?
languid juniper
the pack doesnt do much so you'd rather pick more and pop cds
river escarp
How do we deal with the magic dot from last boss in Halls on an 18 key if we skip Sog this week?
orchid frigate
kk
languid juniper
How do we deal with the magic dot from last boss in Halls on an 18 key if we ski...
just ip
lofty widget
ip, reflect the last 5 seconds, wall if you have to
soggodon doesnt affect magic dmg
river escarp
Do the last seconds hurt more?
lofty widget
it ramps yes
river escarp
Ah I see. Only mention Sod beacuse of the 25% magic reduction power.
lofty widget
river escarp
Of course.
languid juniper
dont even know what sogodon does, always skipping it kek
fringe marten
sigh... hit ardenweald wing, was @cinder questk overall was beating the demon hunter...
pulled the little spriggans with the LT in ardenweald..garbage shaman and dps got us feared, died..he cried that 'it's too hard' and quit.
...pugging keys..
There's times where you expect "man...even with this low dps we can SURELY handle THIS right?" ...nope..
ionic fern
Nice ping.
fringe marten
Sogg is the..? Stone ward?
ionic fern
Yes.
fringe marten
And he makes the bosses do 50% more physical damage? or something like that
ionic fern
Yes.
fringe marten
Yeah at a certain key level I just don't think you can skip them any more.
ionic fern
Yes.
fringe marten
Millificent Manastorms Bleed would be considered physical damage right?
If her bleed gets increased by 50%...nope..
lofty widget
they only count on the last boss tho, and on most bosses extra physical only hits the tank anyway
fringe marten
His tank buster is mostly magic, but his 'crush' or whatever, that causes a DoT for all the damage you don't mitigate is kinda' stronk
lofty widget
that's also the only real damage that boss does, not to mention he's casting stuff half the time anyway
fringe marten
Yeah but that damage is no joke if it's amped up 50%
18/20+ tyrannical? He slips one in between block uptime (which he does sometimes) you're roasted.
ionic fern
Am i being stupid right now or aren't you guys talking about the one that's reflectable?
jagged pier
they are
lofty widget
yup
jagged pier
but the dot is based ont he phyiscal damage taken
fringe marten
you won't be able to reflect them all, and he may slip one in between block windows...you really wanna risk that on tyran week when any group capable of doing that key is gonna' melt soggodon in 30/45 seconds.
If you have an iron clad way to make sure you live every single one, with 0% chance of fail? I guess sure..skip sogg
mellow bridge
If you're getting hit by that boss without SB up, you're doing something wrong
He has so much downtime and gives you opportunities to charge
That being said, not sure if skipping soggondon is the play
zenith vigil
shit when i pug i sharply intake breath when we walk by a pod
that we're not pulling
orchid frigate
ngl but i get a bit triggered when someone 1/3 of a key says "bad route"
when you literally have linked route pre key
jagged pier
yer and u ither ask them for their route
or if its during it
u say they had their chance to make suggestions at the start that shuts them up
orchid frigate
yeah it did
of course a fire mage that has objections
theyre not happy if you dont plan the route around them
limpid anchor
“It’s the tanks job” is the normal answer if you ask for a different route
Pugging is fun.
jagged pier
so again u tell them to be quite then
errant leaf
Do you guys know if one day MDT will be updated ? With live locations of the lieutenants ?
jagged pier
X
limpid anchor
Well only 1 is wrong I believe.
errant leaf
They swap each weeks it seems
limpid anchor
Oh you meant the guys and not position position, aight
errant leaf
Yes yes
I’vs noticed that only dps one swap with dps one and surv one with surv one like fear guy with fire guy and soggodon with frost guy
orchid frigate
personally i think its more of a group thing to work out routes
errant leaf
But im not 100% sure about that
limpid anchor
Yea definitely bcs I don’t know every class and their cds :D
ionic fern
personally i think its more of a group thing to work out routes
In higher end for sure. 🙂 But for 99% of the people no one cares and everyone expects the tank to know it.
orchid frigate
true
limpid anchor
Route also only matters at 20+ I guess
ionic fern
You'd think so.
So many people have left the group once they don't like the route half way through.
On like a +10.
orchid frigate
😮
limpid anchor
Ye bcs stupid
“The guys in the stream did it differently, so it’s impossible to time”
ionic fern
"The guys in the stream also had triple your DPS. :)"
Just hit them with that
And watch them RQ.
limpid anchor
That’s why I don’t pug anymore as a tank
orchid frigate
yeah its weird how many thinks you should be able to do big pulls when their dps is mediocre
limpid anchor
In a 17 dos last week I had a dk with 240 ilvl who was last in dps in ardenweld, and also the guy who said “pull more stupid tank”
ivory elbow
Just me or every haste stat gives more haste than versa
orchid frigate
In a 17 dos last week I had a dk with 240 ilvl who was last in dps in ardenweld,...
😄
ivory elbow
I dont know if i wrote that correctly 🤣
ivory elbow
Yeah
orchid frigate
hmm naowh playing FF. maybe finally time to watch a FF stream it seems
ivory elbow
I noticed i put on a haste ring boom 6% haste and versa ring was just 3%
orchid frigate
gunbreaker sounds like a cool class
ivory elbow
gunbreaker sounds like a cool class
Go break some guns
ivory elbow
Vers is def and off
Well true 😬 forgot that part
ionic fern
Stats have different values.
E.g 40 Vers rating provides 1% vers while 33 Haste rating provides 1% haste etc.
jagged pier
^^
ionic fern
Wild.
orchid frigate
think im gonna take a break from pugging
limpid anchor
Shaman 😞
ivory elbow
Alot of hate in russians ingame 😬
And french
But played with some with high io they are super good but some in lower io they leave the key after 1 death xd
ivory elbow
🤣🤣🤣
Did a teather last week it was like a perfect run we were in the room with the big adds in the corridor where you pick up mini boss and big add patroling
We just had that boss and last boss left
zenith vigil
teather?
ivory elbow
Teater or whatever its called 🤣
limpid anchor
I had 1 2.3k Rio mage that threw the spear in necro at one tormented mob instead of at the boss. Fun times.
I don’t trust Russians anymore
ivory elbow
Well here is the funny part
zenith vigil
that makes sense, single bad experience with a member of a cultural group
stop trusting group entirely
checks out, highly logical
ivory elbow
The healer pulled the big mob the mini boss
limpid anchor
Well wasn’t the first time
ivory elbow
We killed it
limpid anchor
Russians are 50 50
ivory elbow
And the doo doo just left the key
solid knoll
that makes sense, single bad experience with a member of a cultural group
its not a single experience tho
ivory elbow
Lets go back to some other topic xd i dont think this is gonna end well 🤣🤣
fringe marten
I've said it many times.. unless it's EXTREMELY high io..like a serious competitive key pusher; io is a misleading score. You can join a great group..run through a series of good keys, blast dps..time the keys, and not KNOW why you timed it. IE what were the important kicks, or critical uses of dungeon tools/route/etc. Then that person joins your group...and hucks a spear at a Lt.~
fringe marten
(because the other 3 or 4 people in the group were doing a lot of the critical things)
Overall damage in necro wake is..who used the tools~ And they recently got nerfed a good bit too.
ivory elbow
One more thing people dont get is how players are even with high io xd they could be in troll mood or just tired or just have a bad key run
Gingi was doing some pepega stuff in bfa when he was pushing with naow 🤣
fringe marten
Yeah sometimes you just have an off night, raiding..key..pvp whatever. Your focus is off, and you just start missing everything rotation is off, your position is off..and then you get in the "AH fuck it" mood.
ionic fern
I get into the "Ah f*ck it" mood after 1 deplete.
Just ask my previous team.
limpid anchor
Rio is the only indication of skill tho. Ofc it’s not always correct and whatnot but still
fringe marten
Yeah even great players aren't highlight reels all the time..trust me the best tanks ever leave shit in sanguine for too long because they just got into a groove face tanking for a min or so.. or people just eat a death blast from Muezalah because they just didn't even see his fist pull back..they just kept pumpin'
tardy lily
what weapon ench should i run on prot? lightless force or celestial guidance?
ivory elbow
I did that last night forgot to move
limpid anchor
The dps one. It’s all about dps babe!
solid knoll
idk man our dh didnt use any weapons and he ended up with 10k
tardy lily
force is damage but guidance is main stat increase which also equals damage
fringe marten
Naw, like..2100/2200 io players aren't all great if all they do is keys. I always look for people with raid progress too. We have a DK in guild doing mythic prog with us...dude is just eating shit on mythic Remnant, but he's a phenominal key player.
fringe marten
This week they are, not all weeks they aren't.
ionic fern
force is damage but guidance is main stat increase which also equals damage
Force will deal more damage overall.
Guidance is a better "all around" option - neither of them will make or brake anything.
fringe marten
They're not free trust~ you get 1 or 2 bad dps in a 17 and it's gonna' turn into a clown fiesta with the quickness~
tardy lily
Force will deal more damage overall.
Guidance is a better "all around" option - ...
thanks, so iguess the difference between them is marginal? with force pulling ahead in dps as you said
hollow sun
I used to not look at raid progress at all when pugging, those two are two completely different ways of playing imo
limpid anchor
I haven’t played this week yet, but storming and sanguine seems pretty easy
hollow sun
Or when people brag about their Io but play on an alt they have no clue how to play 
fringe marten
Very, I've swapped between guidance and lightless force like 20x now..hell I just timed 18 DoS 5 mins ago, did 5.6k overall..(group was kinda' low oddly?) and I was using Sinful revelation from raid the whole time~ it barely matters.
This week is VERY easy..the new storming is still obnoxious but NOTHING like it was. And sanguine is..sanguine.
Basically it's...trash gets ruined; bosses matter depending on key strength but there's essentially no affixes to 'think' about.
Unix yes and no; the problem is...you need to raid to get optimal gear ESPECIALLY now. and a Successful mythic raider is someone who has had to learn to use their self survivability and manage mechanics somewhat; that translates into keys too.
hollow sun
Meh, I mean, you aren't wrong, but there are low Io people with good mythic progression, I am not taking those
fringe marten
If you don't set foot into the raid currently..your key performance will be seriously diminished.
hollow sun
I am timing 18s with no domination sockets so far, it will he fine in the end :D
Or
I leave the farming of sockets to the fps
Dps
limpid anchor
You can buy a boost for mythic
hollow sun
😂
fringe marten
Yeah; usually any decent player simply does both.. you gotta' do keys for supplemental gear, you gotta' raid for some BiS stuff..and because raiding is generally seen as the 'end goal' of the game. So If someone is doing only 1 type of content they probably just don't care about really maximizing their character.
..and then there's the 'exclusive' pvp'ers.. I don't understand nor ever interact with those people.
fringe marten
Yeah wow's borrowed power systems, 'daily' bar incrementing crap (factions/ranks) the general gearing up of a character (in an optimal fashion) is aggressively unfriendly to people who want to multi class.
hollow sun
Tbh I don't mind all this mess that happened at blizzard
Maybe they will revamp their key roles and the game will benefit as well
zenith vigil
Force will deal more damage overall.
Guidance is a better "all around" option - ...
would you say it's not going to "hold up" your build
visual wedge
Looking at Wowheads soulbind guide for mikanikos it suggests using Brutal vitality why is that?
visual wedge
yeah i thought as much but is this just an outdated guide?
jagged pier
🤷
blazing condor
unkempt fox
Hey guys any thoughts on nadjia vs draven for prot for m+? 3% DPS and Dr vs 20% vers for 10 sec ...
jagged pier
i believe if u are venthyr u run nadjia
unkempt fox
All the venthyr people in R.io top running draven so maybe I'm missing something
Well there are like 2 above me so not a big sample size
jagged pier
do u stand still?
safe thistle
aegis is so damn good
indigo pagoda
high m+ prots run heavy repercussions but both icyveins and wowhead say that that's primarily a single target talent and suggest running AM in m+. what am I missing and what should I run?
jagged pier
high m+ prots run heavy repercussions but both icyveins and wowhead say that tha...
are you doing 24s?
jagged pier
is there a certain dom gem we prio in m+
no
indigo pagoda
are you doing 24s?
currently only comfortable with 15s - got criticised by my RL last night for running booming voice and AM instead of best served cold and heavy repercussions
(am new to tanking and prot)
jagged pier
well are you talking about keys or m+? u mentioned your RL why is he looking at m+ stats for what to be run in raid?
or were u in a key?
indigo pagoda
we were in a key together
indigo pagoda
xD
jagged pier
u dont follow what the top prots are doing unless your up there because u then know why they are using said stuff
there are reasons why they are running HR
u should always be running BSC in m+ if your using reprisal
indigo pagoda
could I ask you to explain so i can understand it better?
jagged pier
if your using the wall then BV is a better choice
visual wedge
u should always be running BSC in m+ if your using reprisal
didnt know this, tyvm will be changing that talent
jagged pier
so reprisal alone in m+ and played correctly should give u, 80% blocked hit at least, but in realness it should be more
for instance i have logs with like 88% blocked hits with reprisal and AM
what HR does is just let u get to 100% blocked hit easily and u dont need to play around reprisal as much as possible even though u still could
zenith vigil
no
wowhead seems to have a prio guide on gems
hence why i asked
are u saying they LIE
blazing condor
man its crazy how piss-easy campaign is
zenith vigil
jagged pier
and as tanks are usually the shot callers in keys
they are playing HR in the tops keys for 1 so they can blocked every melee against them, and 2 they dont have to think about using reprisal as much so can shot call more
jagged pier
wowhead seems to have a prio guide on gems
🤷 i dont read wowhead guide it seems out of date again
icy veins is written by Mwahi the guy in here
so much more reliable imo
jagged pier
but hes pinned about it 🙂
indigo pagoda
@jagged pier I see thanks for the explanation!
jagged pier
and when a guide is using the wrong conduits in its suggestions i wouldnt trust it at all
zenith vigil
yea just didnt know if the order he wrote them was prio or whatnot
jagged pier
well its amazing u can ping him and ask he'll get round to it
zenith vigil
dis is da troof
jagged pier
it looks like its in order
but it doesnt really matter getting shards is rng anyways
zenith vigil
true
indigo pagoda
are icyveins conduits correct?
also wowhead says mikanikos is better dps-wise, but defensively pelagos is better so run pelagos since i'm not that comfortable defensively?
mellow bridge
do you have 57 renown
if yes, always go mikanikos pretty much
the defensive gain from choosing pelagos is so small
ancient monolith
I feel Kleia is better than pelagos defensively because your phial becomes another DR cd and you get valiant strikes as well
but I underline that I felt
not a fact
strong forum
also wowhead says mikanikos is better dps-wise, but defensively pelagos is bette...
They have barely any noticable defensive gain
Pelagos is more defensive yes
But not to a degree of actual importance
indigo pagoda
fair enough :D
how do I use reprisal in m+? I usually just intervene on cd, is there much more to it than that?
jagged pier
if your double time u fit in a charge or 2
indigo pagoda
so i want to intervene out of the pack and charge back in?
torpid cliff
Just intervene to a melee
brittle silo
As long as you dont put your back to the pack it's fine. U might also shockwave and run a little to the back to charge back in. It's only 8y minimal range. Even a slow might be enough to get that distance
indigo pagoda
yeah i usually focus a melee and intervene them so i don't move much or even at all
but that means i can't use charge
i play it similarly in raids
brittle silo
I rather have mouseover macro on my intervene tbh in keys
indigo pagoda
unless i don't have aggro
indigo pagoda
I rather have mouseover macro on my intervene tbh in keys
i have a macro that does target > mouseover > focus
so if i don't have target it uses mouseover, if i don't have mouseover it goes to focus
brittle silo
Oh than okk
anyway, with certain amount of haste u get SB uptime high enough not to need chargeweaving imho
indigo pagoda
what haste is that? o:
brittle silo
With ~28% u get to like 12s cd. I found it more than enough to keep my SB up on the packs. Ngl I'm not tanking anything higher than 16-17 now so I might be biased 😄
I chargeweave really 'occasionally'. Most charges i put just for chainpulls
after like ~40% (if i remember correctly) u get down to 11s
indigo pagoda
cool
proud talon
What spells procs Blood Link for prot? On my DH it only procs off a few specific abilities, so I was wondering for my warr
obtuse monolith
If you’re in Maw/Torg/Raid blood link just shows up on your buff bar. Doesn’t have to proc.
Jumps around to different targets you damage, only one at a time
proud talon
so it works as it should for warrs?
For DH it only procs off Shear and Fiery Brand
It has to actively proc a debuff on the target, but that debuff only procs on the target if I use those 2 abilities as Vengeance DH
It doesn't just "auto" suck from someone
obtuse monolith
That’s weird. No everything seems to work fine for me
proud talon
That's pretty lucky, mages seems to have issues too
With frost nova, arcane explosion and fire blast being some of the only abilities that proc it
Can only get it to proc off a few specific spells
errant timber
Can only get it to proc off a few specific spells
I had Just read the thread on reddit and was going to ask here about that
proud talon
@obtuse monolith So you got the blood set right? Can you test it for us?
errant timber
Wish I got the chest dom socket, I have all other 4 but can't use my lvl 4 blood set cause of that
proud talon
Like, try different spells, and see what applies the blood link debuff to the target
If it's all spells, that'd be nice
jagged pier
i procs of everything
obtuse monolith
When I was looking at blood link logs last night first tick was 3s after start of combat and it never desynced. Just kept going like clockwork. I’ll see if I can test later on me
proud talon
It works for me as well, if I just use fiery brand on pull as DH, I have it running the entire fight
To swap the targets it "sucks" from, I just have to use fiery brand again
But it seems dumb that it procs off Shear, and not Fracture (the talented version of Shear)
Same for Havoc, Demon's Bite (the base ability) procs blood link, but Demon Blades (talented version) doesn't... but Essence Break (another talent) procs it
blazing condor
idrk how blizzard was thinking making legendary vessels
you either have to bail out 300+k for your vessel or level up the BS/LW/whatever yourself and get the mats
blazing condor
literally 262 legs
small ish server and they were 200k lower a few weeks ago
but no one is selling so
🤷♂️
fading dirge
Free from guild 🙂
forest fern
Can someone in here clarify, on eye of the jailer i see deathlink is physical damage but is it blockable?
proud talon
262 is 140k on Kazzak
jagged pier
Can someone in here clarify, on eye of the jailer i see deathlink is physical da...
no
forest fern
cheers thanks
proud talon
It's a "spell" that does physical damage
It's weird, but yea, not blockable
not even from paladins
forest fern
yeah i know just curious they sometimes make things like that blockable, like acid spew on the boss in blackrock foundry for example
forest fern
ya that one too
blazing condor
262 wrists are 515k
forest fern
i've found if i run the wall on that fight i can get a shield wall for like every second one i have to take because of the downtime when it beams the room, that seems to be working okay
blazing condor
forest fern
i wouldn't care otherwise but it chains damage intake to the raid also
barren hemlock
In the finals, which legendary are the legs or feet better?
obtuse monolith
Big server R6 prices seem lowest at the end of a week (like Sun/Mon) and spike again on Tues/Wed but come back down. Most of the cost of a 6 is the crystals. Honestly people aren’t marking them up much compared to what you have to put into leveling crafting.
blazing condor
did anyone have the mikanikos tree for both prot/arms? xox
jagged pier
yer mwahi posted on yesterday
barren hemlock
I am in the doubt that legendary create me someone to guide me?
blazing condor
AAF > AJ ?
barren hemlock
I guess the wall is made for raids, right?
blazing condor
I guess the wall is made for raids, right?
For current raid every boss except for Eye of The Jailer and Sylvanas are Reprisal fights
on the Eye and Sylv you use Wall
jagged pier
AAF > AJ ?
i believe in raid arms are running triple so u go left, so do we for damage so u can slap ashen in the left hand and leave it there
and i believe uses the overpower one maybe AAF is good
id sim
blazing condor
Yeah guess it comes down to that
not like im gonna be doing wonders as arms anyway im mostly just curious to understand
jagged pier
u would only swap out the AAF on for prot and arms in m+
can always ask the arms channel for the tree they run and try and adapt to fit both 🤷
blazing condor
yeah ive been diddling a bit in there
compact laurel
i want to make a weekly group to kill sunking in CN for cheat trinkets lol
jagged pier
u dont need it in raid
true olive
But damage
compact laurel
i know you don't need it in raid
jagged pier
and u dont need it in m+
compact laurel
yes but
jagged pier
i guarentee u dont
distant crystal
yeah ive been diddling a bit in there
compact laurel
have you tanked high keys
jagged pier
i tank high ish keys
compact laurel
there is so little gained from using one of these shitty raid trinkets at 30 higher ilvl
than having a cheat trinket
jagged pier
personally have never used one, i know it will make me play worse
compact laurel
that's fair
highly reccomend
i used 213 Sunking for all of last patch, finished with most 22s done
swapping to bear this poatch but i don't have one on that toon and nobody runs the raid fml
blazing condor
Its comfy to use but i usually find that most of my keys it wont proc for me
compact laurel
i mean i feel like that's just another kind of sim trap
blazing condor
Or when it does its because i’m stupid
But its nice that the key dont get fucked if youre sloppy
jagged pier
then u shouldnt use it Good
compact laurel
if you run 10 +20 keys and die in two of them should you have had it?
jagged pier
no
compact laurel
my argument is unless your group is doing a clean run and missing timer by like 30s
it'
better option
jagged pier
its all relative to your skill etc
but i wouldnt use it unless i was doing 24/25s in season 1
i still dont have it
so i wont ever be using it anyway
blazing condor
then u shouldnt use it Good
Thats what i mean : )
calm obsidian
highly disagree with the yellow sentiment on cheat here. Run a bunch of high keys with cheat death on and you will have a different perspective
compact laurel
lol that's how i feel after ~70 20+ last season
jagged pier
right exactly my point in high keys with near perfect play its good
compact laurel
was playing dh if it matters
compact laurel
i mean in a vacuum i agree with you
jagged pier
thats the whole point of the image
compact laurel
but i think for 9 out of 10 tanks
it is the better option
even GOOD players, just not 1% players
its like using a build that sims 300 dps higher with 0 movement and taking that into this raid with movement on every fight
technically better but not in practice
most of the top 20 tanks in the world on each class rn have the trinket on
jagged pier
i mean sure, u do u. but your just not going to convince me that i should run it and your not going to convince the other SFs really. you want to play it play it, im gunna take my aegis and use that instead
ionic fern
Run what?
jagged pier
al'ar
jagged pier
ionic fern
Wait, why should you run it?
jagged pier
somehing something 20s dieing
ionic fern
Cheat death trinkets have been notoriously bad and/or situational.
jagged pier
^^
ionic fern
So..we are talking about using al'ar in 20's?
Or just..using al'ar at all times?
compact laurel
no just in high keys
ionic fern
yall stream?
Nope.
jagged pier
actually cant wait to do keys tonight with miks cap stone 👀
patent osprey
oh cheat death debate
compact laurel
please weigh in king
lavish oracle
I think cheat deaths are good any time you expect to proc it, end of story
Regardless of whether cleaner play would have helped etc
zenith vigil
fossil river
!guide
patent osprey
I see everyone's point. But most of the time whether u ran alar or u ran like Anima field emitter at 252, it really ain't going to be the reason you don't time a key.
I actually really like alar as it allows you to limit test your character without having that downside. I use it in situations where I'm not sure if I can live this pull so next time I do the key, I know that it will cheat me so I pull smaller next time. There are plenty of times where I just get 1 tapped and cheat saves me. At the same time, I get 1 tapped because I feel secure enough to go in because I have that cheat.
Overall I like it for early prog and testing but eventually I will most likely change it for the trinket off guardian and run aegis as my 2nd trinket. Trinket off guardian does so much dam it's prob worth
calm obsidian
yes that's the point people miss. Cheat allows you and your healer to play differently and sometimes advantageously vs not having it
ancient monolith
we dont have commands like that here
Warriors don't command, warriors smash
tired ice
Warriors don't command, warriors smash
Not since they renamed Commanding Shout to Rallying Cry anyway
zenith vigil
@patent osprey have you decided that niya is actually superior or do you just keep forgetting to switch
last time i had the stream on you were niya xdddddddddddddd
it seems nicer for tyrannical, what with that fat +10% healing when u go under 50% every minute
I could be talking out what kids these days refer to as "my ass" on that, though
patent osprey
I like niya because soulshape cd is bae and niya is way more defensive than korayn. Since I'm undergeared atm compared to raiding prot wars, I'm running niya to just live the high keys
Korayn annoys me because soul shape becomes that charge if you go endurance conduit first row
patent osprey
personally I'm still in testing where I don't know my limits yet week to week. Esp since I didn't push much tyran last season. Also since I keep skipping Oros in most dungeons, the movement speed is nice
compact laurel
i guess the SD start of dungeon tech to get 10 stacks then run out before the timer finishes is working again
thought that was patched a while ago
compact laurel
don't tell anyone
patent osprey
so is running out of the dungeon with hearthstone
healthstones
but fk that degen shit
lol
I cba
compact laurel
what about like NW buff
zenith vigil
"i cba"
compact laurel
pumper mentality
zenith vigil
ur 5th bro u NEED them cheats
need to REPRESENT us
dont let nerfbear talk shit from the top
slap that boy
singular chinese DK be like "we exist!"
ancient monolith
Not since they renamed Commanding Shout to Rallying Cry anyway
Not anymore... I still say Commanding shout though haha
patent osprey
plka not even SF'd being called king
Def the SF are the kings of skyhold ^.^
jagged pier
not me
u should have been in here on tusday evening when we had the Sfs in a key together
it didnt go well
strong forum
:gasp: plka swore
patent osprey
Bears only club is beginning 😦
pale gust
Does race actually matter for prot warrior? Im currently playing orc, but thinking going tauren..
compact laurel
for a TOP too... lol
ancient monolith
Bears only club is beginning 😦
Is that a weakaura displaying the class colors on top of each member of the party?
woven carbon
Is reprisal really that much better than the wall in all content (raiding and mythic+)?
lofty widget
yes it is
ancient monolith
Is that a weakaura displaying the class colors on top of each member of the part...
if so, what is it called?
jagged pier
Does race actually matter for prot warrior? Im currently playing orc, but thinki...
no if u want to minmax horde race its vulpera
zenith vigil
oh
jagged pier
i just looked at my key now im 
zenith vigil
i thought it was highmountain tauren
jagged pier
no
obtuse monolith
@proud talon Ok doing my souls in maw and testing it out.
Does not established Blood Link:
Charge, Heroic Leap, Autoattack, Ravager, Demoralizing Shout, Taunt, Condemn, Intimidating Shout.
Does: Heroic Throw, Shield Slam, Thunderclap, Revenge, Hamstring, Shattering Throw, Stormbolt, Shockwave
Basically damaging abilities do, w some exceptions like Ravager and Condemn. Taunts shouts charges and leaps don’t.
zenith vigil
i use the bull rush to run out and charge back in
jagged pier
yer but its doesnt give an absorb shield for 10% of the damage u take on entering combat
zenith vigil
thought it was 5%
stray hemlock
Why is vulpera the best for us? Just an absorb shield at start of combat?
strong forum
And the on use is also great
jagged pier
the fact it can crit is dumb
strong forum
40 yard range leash, or a 15k crit heal with 1.5min CD
stray hemlock
I never played that xpac so I don't have access to them
cyan shore
Dumb question guys, but if I charge then SB with reprisal on, does the duration extend or overwrite?
last gust
extend
stray hemlock
Extend
cyan shore
So it's a good idea to charge and SB right away just to get the CD ticking if I'm on 2 charges?
strong forum
stray hemlock
Lol
strong forum
So it's a good idea to charge and SB right away just to get the CD ticking if I'...
Always keep the CD rolling
Ideally on intervene, charge and SB
To maximise reprisal usage and block uptime
cyan shore
Roger
zenith vigil
excellent usage of prequel memery
jagged pier
ty
blazing condor
https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-second-child-there-are-two-of-them-getting-out-of-hand-gif-16342964
Both nom and jakey using gifs to respond to posts here
calm magnet
Do I just use ip on eye of the jailer? Or does the boss melee
pale gust
no if u want to minmax horde race its vulpera
How so? The dmg reduction?
cedar spear
You can also pull from 40y away
chilly brook
Vulpera is gross
safe thistle
no if u want to minmax horde race its vulpera
for m+ only no ?
rancid ember
Panda is the best.
jagged pier
for m+ only no ?
the heal is good in raid
safe thistle
the proc is only the first attack done by a target no ?
ahh the vial
i forgot about it
sullen valve
I just wanna say that mwahi thinks im smart
strong forum
Damn, abe flexing on us
patent osprey
mwahi never says that to me T_T
fading dirge
Seen a lot of builds for the Mikan on prot going down the middle. Would the extra potency be better in single target raids, or does the middle haste on first hit still win?
royal mulch
If you don't need a ton of survivability can it make sense to run Koryn to just pump?
I feel like I hold up pretty damn well on anything 15 and under
gloomy cradle
pls view the icy-veins guide for more information
But why look at a guide when you can ask it’s faq questions here 
strong forum
Seen a lot of builds for the Mikan on prot going down the middle. Would the ext...
The first hit haste thingy is only active for a few seconds per boss fight. So kinda self explanatory that the potency would win
royal mulch
But why look at a guide when you can ask it’s faq questions here <:weird:7186762...
you guys act like that is a one stop shop. I'm looking for opinions of people who play it more broadly. Damn lol.
chilly brook
But why look at a guide when you can ask it’s faq questions here <:weird:7186762...
Because the guide has everything answered already
You 100% play korayn in m+
strong forum
He's making fun of people not reading the guide aswell as people not checking the FAQ
royal mulch
Do people seriously look at one guide as the end all be all of all information?
chilly brook
fading dirge
The first hit haste thingy is only active for a few seconds per boss fight. So k...
That was my chain of thought but wanted to make sure I wasnt missing anything. TY!
chilly brook
Your soulbind accounts for very little survival
You just run whatever gives you the most damage
Hence korayn 100%
royal mulch
okay. I guess I assume Niya imparts more with her 1st and last abilities than it actually does
and survivors rally
gloomy cradle
Because the guide has everything answered already
Yah that’s why we all play guardian Druid
chilly brook
Like the IV guide in the m+ section literally only shows Korayn as a viable bind for m+
gloomy cradle
Yeah just reroll tbh
chilly brook
Yah that’s why we all play guardian Druid
Wut?
Not entirely sure how that's relevant at all
gloomy cradle
Not sure where I was going
chilly brook
Plus as an aside to why we refer people to the guide, its written and maintained by Mwahi our resident theorycrafter
So it's definitely got some authority behind it
zenith vigil
Do people seriously look at one guide as the end all be all of all information?
considering it's written by people in here? yes
90% of the questions we answer are regurgitated from the guide
because some big brain NERD like mwahi already did all the thinking necessary
ionic fern
Guides are a good starting point and answer the majority of the questions people have.
They do not cover everything in 100% depth tho so questions are warranted.. 🙂 Unless they are answered in the guides.
gloomy cradle
But in order to know whether or not it is you need to read the guide 🤫
safe thistle
in M+ phantom fire or spectral strength ? should it be PF on packs and the strength on boss ?
safe thistle
ok i was wrong then
safe thistle
i guess i could just stick to strength sicne its easier to get
ya
oh gratz pika on rank 1
safe thistle
he get carried 😛
jagged pier
strong forum
mikan hard carry now
safe thistle
nightfae ya but i gotta say that silence is nice
zenith vigil
im not allowed to plug NF anymore
strong forum
pseudo silence
zenith vigil
jakey will get mad
strong forum
zenith vigil
jagged pier
well no but it was the messages every like 10 mins
zenith vigil
safe thistle
haha
jagged pier
i mean nome flames every one
strong forum
2 even
safe thistle
are you saying hes a Karen ?
zenith vigil
no he's a kyrian
strong forum
no, i AM the manager
zenith vigil
a karen would make a youtube video about the state of prot warrior
do you see nom doing something like that
i didn't think so
strong forum
zenith vigil
I'm just kidding it was a godsend coming back in the middle of 9.1 and wanting to stop venge tanking
blazing condor
4th week or whatever it is
literally 0 loot from raid
sadge
then again im the only plate in the entire raid
jagged pier
strong forum
That's not very epic fortnite
subtle tulip
There is always next reset 😄
strong forum
Shut up blizzard
subtle tulip
ayelmaogottem
strong forum
"ah the game sucked this week, surely it'll be better next week"
but next week never came
blazing condor
it doesnt matter if i socket the "wrong" shard into an item that gives a bonus effect right? provided i also have another piece that gives the set-bonus for the shards i socket
bad wording hope it makes sense
strong forum
And having the associated item that gives the set bonus also equipped
strong forum
brittle owl
sweet summit
ivory elbow
strong forum
sweet summit
heck yea huge gaming ramping rising owning
blazing condor
RGB
young oasis
Got 252 Phial from Vault and 252 shield from Tarragrue. Talk about ideal week for PuG only tank
young oasis
Ty ty
❤️
As they said in South Park WoW episode: "Now we can finally play the Game!".
blazing condor
sorry to say you just played it my boy
if you have no need for loot you have no need for play
young oasis
Still got to do KSM. Didn't even started doing it, since my mission was to farm Phial first and then do it. Did only PF from start of this season, with no luck of getting trinket. Gods of loot were good this season, so I'm happy
primal cape
how many phial does a dung? around 500k +/-?
robust dagger
Hey y'all new here. Is this where I would ask questions about prot warriors in m+?
strong forum
Si
blazing condor
only in spanish tho
primal cape
answer is usually spam revenge
robust dagger
Nice
I haven't done a +10 since legion. I just have questions about tormented
Never done it and the guides I'm reading say to skip two lieutenants and kill the other 2
robust dagger
Ok
bright flax
Never done it and the guides I'm reading say to skip two lieutenants and kill th...
Ask yourself what you want to do, then ask the group what they what. Then tell them to fuck off and do what you want
robust dagger
Generally that's what I do
Just don't wanna wipe my key honestly. Confident with every dungeon at this point just working my way up. Only at 212 I'll atm
Do they benefit from Fort or tyrannical?
sweet summit
they do not
bright flax
Failing and going again is part of it
bright flax
they do not
But a %phys dmg increase will hurt more on tyrannical
robust dagger
Noted
bright flax
Why u fix, M- was cool
strong forum
It's better than s1
So it deserves the + for now
It's still worse than bfa and miles worse than legion
But it's slightly better now
robust dagger
Legion was so fun
Had my blood dk maxed out and doing the high keys was a blast except for this one fucking dungeon I can't remember
strong forum
Seat
robust dagger
Was a night borne dungeon
cinder nova
Court of Stars
strong forum
Arcway?
visual wedge
defo arcway
zenith vigil
court of stars was based
cinder nova
Arcway was pretty toxic
visual wedge
arcyway sucked fucking ass
strong forum
Now imagine seat, and every key is seat
zenith vigil
no
strong forum
SL m+ is every key being seat
zenith vigil
court was based
robust dagger
I had an 18 key and my team could not figure out the last boss in court on tyrannical
bright flax
If only we coul ignore pain
strong forum
On court last boss
robust dagger
I know righ4
strong forum
Incredibly simple to do
robust dagger
Idk why we wiped so much
strong forum
Damage would be 1 thing
strong forum
If it was only an 18
robust dagger
OH LOL
strong forum
Nor did the dungeon exist in m+
strong forum
Idk either
robust dagger
I thought court was out before nighthold
strong forum
Na, they werent part of the base dungeons
They unlocked later
But I quit before nighthold released cuz I don't like raiding
And I was ultra mega casual back then and didn't even do m+
cinder nova
NH was also dookie for prot
strong forum
I just don't like raiding, too many people
cinder nova
Nom's just a quiet shy boy
robust dagger
strong forum
Yeah @sweet summit @jagged pier and @ionic fern heard how quiet I am
jagged pier
strong forum
robust dagger
Gainz
cinder nova
Do you prefer zippers or button flies?
strong forum
Zip
cinder nova
Trick question: the answer is velcro
strong forum
Button is only for suits and old people
strong forum
This dude making me fucking Google what 501s means
strong forum
I don't even own jeans
strong forum
OK Mr homeless
jagged pier
ionic fern
mwahi never says that to me T_T
You're so smart.
haughty sleet
anyone else swapping between prot/arms for mythic prog?
rancid ember
Random question. If I missed a reknown level last week, is there a chance I'll get it from a Raid boss? or do I have to do something else like M+ / Torgy?
strong forum
World boss should give you one
rancid ember
Even better nice
strong forum
But yes there's instant catchup
brave jetty
Am I an asshole for wanting to 262 Reverb ahead of The Wall
The true calling that resonates most deeply for me is clowning our top DPS in M+
zenith vigil
reprisal is the defensive leggo for m+ doe
brave jetty
That was my first to 262
zenith vigil
O shid well then hell yes, fuck the dps
dps don't deserve anything
scum that they are
brave jetty
lmao yeah
strong forum
:)
sweet summit
ye