yeah ty, so it's good for padding
#protection
outer solstice
lucid pasture
I mean aegis better 😴
vocal nimbus
Its the only damage in a 10 min boss, it gotta hurt a little
fiery pendant
yo, real fast q, how many ilvl is the frost set worth
tanking as an emergency tonight and its the only set i have, its a dps downgrade for me to equip as arms atm so not using it
jagged pier
its our worst set
but still a dps increase
so u drop the ilvl for it
and if your dps i presume u have higher crit than most prots
so u will
get more value out of it
fiery pendant
i simmed it as arms and it was 70 dps downgrade so i didnt use it haha
but ill wear it as prot then
ta
outer solstice
oh well I'm having 246 shoulders/bracers and 252 gloves... I get the frost set for free
the dmg is abmyssal though
the absorbs are kinda cool but that's minor
mellow bridge
man Sylv is such a confusing fight for me
am I supposed to keep up block for her rangers strike?
and heartseeker I guess is block + sr + w/e else?
idk what it is, but her perma jumping around, seemingly taking random breaks in between her hits on me etc is legit so confusing
mellow bridge
well p2 isnt an issue
and we always wipe on like the last platform before p3 🤷♂️
like I survive but I feel like I'm taking a lot more dmg than necessary
crystal nexus
Did someone already tryed to solotank Sylv (normal/Hc) i cant get it out of my head, there is no absolut reason to have 2 tanks in this fight unless im missing something
chilly brook
like I survive but I feel like I'm taking a lot more dmg than necessary
Sylvanas is all heals and dps tbh
P2 is killing things in the right order and not getting hit with veil
P3 is all cleanse management and having people not fuck up on arrows
TLDR pick up the puddles dispel in a corner
Keep it nice and tidy
No debuffs from puddles during her aoe shit and you're gucci
obtuse monolith
some have
Hah. One guy did it on brew Pally and prot war just to prove that he could
I’m not sure we’re the best tank class for it but maybe late patch
woeful trellis
any tipps for eye m ?
strong forum
idk bout that
sweet summit
what a surprise
blazing condor
Whats the percentage stand for?
sweet summit
increase over no shards
delicate iron
Does tank need to do rings on fatescribe HC? Or is there enough people assigned for us not to do it?
sweet summit
one tank always gets assigned
but that doesnt mean the tank does it
the tank can, but usually dps players do it
distant crystal
half the raid gets the buff
fading dirge
Anyone have a decent Forgelite that runs prot/fury with the least amount of tokens needed to change?
fickle juniper
the spell reflect sheet still says '?' for spell reflect on fragments of destiny for The Nine. Can anyone confirm if you can?
modern brook
unless a dps is being a huge ook
You called?
fickle juniper
but it doesnt go on tank anyway
😦 im dps
sweet summit
åog
old flame
Do we have a preferred setup for Mik on Tues? I'm not entirely sure how to arrange the conduits in an efficient manner. I like the filter for the auto heal but it's probably not the play but phial having a knockback seems annoying too
sweet summit
i'd do this
lavish oracle
I do that and use the first left potency slot for Fury
sweet summit
:5head:
old flame
fall damage vs repairs, I feel like I'm never taking fall damage
oblique garnet
You called?
👋
lavish oracle
I'm just waiting for some secret tech where I can use fall damage as mitigation on pull
Could probably do it in HoA?
Is the ledge in the first area tall enough to do fall damage?
oblique garnet
Yeah
lavish oracle
Ez
sweet summit
ya i just took right side cos it looked better in the picture 
lavish oracle
Can't think of any other dungeons it'd be useful, though
lavish oracle
Doesn't seem worth it there
oblique garnet
Frankly i dont see a scenario where its better to take fall damage instead of charging
sweet summit
just do both 👀
lavish oracle
I mean, 20% DR for 15s in HoA seems pretty useful
Especially since the fall is so short it barely does fall damage
distant crystal
dealer in DoS?
lavish oracle
True
distant crystal
stack that arcane bullshit
lavish oracle
Same with the matriarch pull before dealer
lilac bloom
i was trying to upgrade my cape and i had 50 valors left.. i did 2 to 3 keys before i left and still saying its 50 valors.. but my max reached says 3000/3000 season maximum.. is that a glitch or is that right?
oblique garnet
3k is cap yes
sweet summit
+750 next week
oblique garnet
Need ksm to upgrade to cap anyways
rancid ember
IO, better 236's, selling keys. Finding the gear you want to upg once you have valor again etc
lilac bloom
yah true i never like to push but i guess i'm 236 now
i level that is
might as well
rancid ember
Keys are pretty much the only part of this game I enjoy anymore. Raid tanking is quite boring after the Prog is done.
Pushing keys is great. Add pugs that you think are good and start building up an M+ Friends list. AFter you got people to choose from try to form a steadyish team to push 1-2 nights a week.
Pwar looking pretty good this season too
lilac bloom
yah... i realy hated it at the moment.. bolstering
rancid ember
Yeah my team been pushing a bit this week but Fortified + Bolstering can be pretty rough especially if you don't already have a decent team to work with. Some dungeons are super hard this week like DoS I feel like it pretty unforgiving on Bolstering
lilac bloom
and .. i'm having trouble of timming some keys.. like
rancid ember
What level you doing?
lilac bloom
12 and 13
i have problem with de other side
and halls
i realy hate the 2 packs from de other side
dusky canopy
Wow blood bonus honestly gives us 1k dps!? Am I seeing that correctly??
sweet summit
modern brook
You deserve it for all the talent u needed to get the pieces to drop
oblique garnet
World boss shard is the hardest
sweet summit
i swear it doesnt exist
lucid pasture
Got it first day
sweet summit
fuyc ku
sweet summit
who is doma 👀
lucid pasture
Doma nutz fit in your mouth?
sweet summit
they do
distant crystal
I got it first week on my two trap alts, who both have 1 shard total still
0 for 3 on main
sweet summit
fervent summit
hey guys newb prot warr here but i got the lfr decanter from dormazain and the viscera from ToP 229
should i run the 229 or is the decanter stronger? D:
sick sentinel
I'd say the 229, but hopefully one of the more experienced warrs can help.
Can anyone provide some insight on the best way to kite trash in M+ while maintaining aggro?
fervent summit
my inexperienced warrior would say ask your fellow dps for a sec or two on pull
or get a hunt/rogue to tot/md D:
blazing condor
Can anyone provide some insight on the best way to kite trash in M+ while mainta...
Honestly its mostly in just the damage you do in the pack before kiting that determines. You can heroic throw for high threat as well as kyrian spear if you have when kiting. Thunderclap works well too and also slows more. Other than that theres not much to do.
Luckily you dont need to kite super much as a prot warr meaning you can go back in and do more dam and repeat
If theyre super bolstered and you need to kite perma id say just throw in ravager/spear and taunt+heroic throw for those low threat
brave jetty
Generally if I use a ravager or spear I don't really need to worry about threat for that pack
You do a lot of front loaded damage with all that as you also stay in while your defensive are up
oblique garnet
who is doma 👀
Cant believe you fell for it
blazing condor
Threat shouldnt be a concern when kiting
sick sentinel
Thank you! I was holding aggro while using heroic leap and charging back in but a group kicked me because I didn't kite enough.
oblique garnet
misty timber
Only time I find it annoying is when a mob or two didn’t get stacked up well for initial threat. Definitely can see the difference between good group and bad with how much they help get stuff stacked
But this week has taught me about not letting bolster x4-5 mobs touch me. Especially in dos
blazing condor
”Didnt kite enough”
your team dislike that youre bringing down the overall dps and making the key harder
dim token
Do you guys spend range to block and revenge when you’re actively tanking the boss? On heroic that is
oblique garnet
Yes that is how tanking on warrior works
dim token
I think my gears is okayish but I seem to do grey/green parses on almost every raid boss
I spend almost all my rage on ip and sb I wonder if im doing it wrong
sturdy sable
Your probably not pressing enough button's
Like a good parse as a tank usually just boils down to doing your rotation correctly and not over focusing on mitigation
You can check my warriors logs if you wanna compare i parse okay
dim token
I haven’t used war tank in raid since legion so I’m not sure what to spend with my rage
dim token
Cause when I last played warrior in legion you just alternate
zenith vigil
unironically all the information you need to improve is in there
sturdy sable
Yeah your pretty much just revenge dump now
dim token
Just curious what people actually do cause the fact that I parsed grey made me feel like most people do actually give up survivability for damage
sturdy sable
Like ignore pain is pretty weak compared to what it was in the past
Especially legion
I mean to a degree because some warriors do keep IP rolling at all times
But its not really worth imo
dim token
Thanks I guess ima try doing that next week
lilac bloom
great
my week is done
i got kicked out of syvalnas cos i do less then 1 k and my dps as a tank is shit that i can't hold aggro
jeezus christ
if its going to be like that i might as well not progress at all
the same rl keeps kicking me :(
i was like why is he replacing me when i didnt die in phase 1.. just in phase 2.. seems like he keeps syaing i can't hold aggro
i'm so pissed
ocean yoke
less than 1k like dps?
and p2 way easier than p1 since its more physical than magic so not sure what happened there
lilac bloom
cos rl says i couldn't hold aggro on the adsd
ands thats y he kicks me
cos i'm not doing 1k damage
maiden ravine
I wonder if I'd like my warrior more as Necrolord, not that it'll fix my overall not liking the kit this expansion
lilac bloom
that is absolute bullshiit
maiden ravine
What is?
lilac bloom
getting kicked for slyvanass for a tank thats doing less then 1k i'm not getting good dps to hold aggro
everytime on the last bridge i get f'd up by people saying i'm not holding aggro
i dind't even manage to hit them yet
ocean yoke
you got logs?
lilac bloom
no everytime i log my whole computer gets slowed
and i can't play while its logging cos it lags
sturdy sable
You should have leap for every bridge so you should b getting to the mobs first
Im sure someone in the group loged it
zenith vigil
you know other people running logs have your logs lmao
lilac bloom
yah thats what i sshould have done
but idin't so that is my bad
i m trying..
i got 226 weapon
zenith vigil
if you can't do 1k dps you are either horrendously undergeared or literally not hitting your buttons
zenith vigil
ravager?
lilac bloom
ooops
i mean revange
its really bad at this stage with h sylvanas.. people are just not forgiving
realy.. hate this game
grim coral
what is your toon name?
lilac bloom
Greystormz
i'm from frostmourne.. i'm 9/10 heroics and i suck at tanking h syvalans 2nd phase
i suppose i should just wait till i hit 240 b4 i go and play again
lilac bloom
i dont know. i jump i thunderclapp i ravage when it comes up.. i try to get the first aggro.. then loose to another tank that does more aggro and wateva happens happens.. it just went everywhere
zenith vigil
ravage?
sturdy sable
@zenith vigil its your time to shine
sturdy sable
Tell him the thing you tell everyone
zenith vigil
read the guides
lilac bloom
i know i use my spear of bastion.. using my charge to get rage etc etc.. no idiea
zenith vigil
you don't need fancy gear
lilac bloom
nope i just dont know my rotation.i do alright on other bosses but this oone ppl just kcik me cos i do less then 1k damage
zenith vigil
so learn your rotation?
lilac bloom
its weird cos i do more then that onmythic d's and other bosses.. just this yep
zenith vigil
it's not that hard
lilac bloom
i dont think its hard.. i've been doing it all through my tanking years.. i charge .. thunderclap.. ravage.. and use spear of bastion when i have them
also use demo shout
shield bash each ad etc etc
i dont know what else..
sturdy sable
Well prot hasnt had shield bash in some years
ocean yoke
tbh after looking your logs youve gotta hit your buttons more often simple as it sounds
like i have fights where our fight is almost 2 minute shorter and i have similar or more casts of stuff like shield slam etc
lilac bloom
well.. i'm not of a key basher
sweet kayak
lilac bloom
so hard for me to play this
woeful trellis
best 2 dmg trinkets for prot?
distant crystal
phial and uhh
old flame
hook is decent
distant crystal
is relic from KT simming well
obtuse monolith
OWS perma haste is probably a lot of damage in raid. Less in M+ if it drops off.
delicate iron
On Sylvanas HC, do chains of domination arrows land in random location or can you bait them?
cinder roost
Hey, let's play devil's advocate for a moment, why do we still praise haste so much when I feel like (especially for m+) it loses value if you play reprisal.
I'm not sure I buy the rage/defensive argument when Packs are dying within a reasonable time where you can fully maintain block with the help of the reprisal therefore gain damage by stacking another stat.
Now maybe on some pull you're swimming in rage with ravager etc and can actually spam revenge faster (I didn't sim) but I don't think it's better than crit or vers dps wise.
Discuss 🙂
zenith vigil
because it's still good
cinder roost
That's not an argument, every stats are good on prot (maybe mastery a little less)
The question is, is it really better.
zenith vigil
they're so close that it doesn't really matter
the only time it's relevant is when comparing items with precisely the same iLVL
and for that you can sim for dps, but simming for tanking is kind of pointless and not really doable
cinder roost
Yes but all day long in here you see haste first, i would argue it might not be the play.
lofty widget
defensively haste is the play cause it increases rage gain, which also happens to play into our offense, ofc if you wanna look at it purely offensively you can just sim stat weights
cinder roost
Yes but read what I said again
Rage gain might not matter in m+ when you have all the rage you want since it's not long fights
lofty widget
rage gain matters, that's what AM is for
cinder roost
Reprisal/ravager gives a ton of rage, and with the revenge proc I would argue for a stat that actually benefits it
zenith vigil
do you have some hard numbers to back this up
cinder roost
It can matter if it help you have your CDs for more packs true
zenith vigil
feelycrafting not allowed
lofty widget
also, i dont think anyone has ever said haste is the best that for purely dps (pretty sure crit takes that prize), just that it's the best all round def/dps stat
zenith vigil
^
cinder roost
I'm not claiming anything @zenith vigil , just trying to discuss things.
lofty widget
understanding why haste is the best/not the best is honestly a good thing
olive fulcrum
"disclaimer/feelycraft" i feel like i need more haste for rage to dump into IP in the keys i do
crit doesnt offer you anything in a dungeon when spells are being flung at you
lofty widget
he specifically said dps wise
cinder roost
No I didn't
I was wondering if with reprisal, haste was really still better defensively in a real environment
Might also depend on Key level etc
I can get behind what Arthuor say, still vers could be good.
sturdy sable
I mean if you really look at vers is such a small % of mitigation
I dont understand why people value it so much tbh
1 parry mitigate way more then .5% of a hit
olive fulcrum
its really alot when a tanks sitting at 20+ vers your looking at a 10% dr consistantly
lofty widget
keep in mind reprisal isnt where the majority of our mit comes from, it covers about the same as bolster would, + a bit more
so saccing haste cause "reprisal covers block" isnt the correct play imo
olive fulcrum
if anything its probably ideal to have a good mix of haste/vers/mast as they all provide you defensive utility
haste for more rage - more ip spam
vers - raw dmg reduction
mast - bigger ips due to ap scaling
cinder roost
Maybe I should have stated I'm not suggesting playing with no haste also.
olive fulcrum
it shouldnt be assumed that your playing with no haste
cinder roost
Just reacting to "saccing haste" just in case.
But yeah I prefer a more balanced approach personally
olive fulcrum
my understanding of the way you worded your question was more or less along the lines of - if you had all the gear in the world at the same ilvl, what would you use / prio in stats and why
cinder roost
Yeah something like that I guess
olive fulcrum
and from experience (tanked a few 18s this season) id say for most dungeons you'd probably take vers > haste > mast > crit
due to the rather large amounts of magic/bleed dmg you take in dungeons its just easier to play with high vers
also running ITF for a straight %increase during pulls which kinda reduces the value of haste as a stat
i also feel like haste / mast could be fine for something like 15s with like 10% vers as i believe that would do more dmg then haste/vers stacking
sturdy sable
10% dr isnt goin to save your life
olive fulcrum
10% isnt saving your lfie its just the most efficient
think of it like compounding interest
cinder roost
I personally don't push high keys and play very offensively in raid so I have my prefs, but with Reprisal I thought it was an interesting conversation to have instead of simply stating haste = more rage OVERALL so it's better.
sturdy sable
This vers argument gets made every few months or so
cinder roost
Like I said, playing devil's advocate 🙂
olive fulcrum
isnt it just mathematically correct though?
not saying the 10% is correct
just saying that a certain % of it will give you a bigger dps / survivability boost then say crit/haste/mast
cinder roost
I mean let's say haste gives you 15% DR via more rage, but vers gives you 10% DR + 5% dps, what would you chose?
sturdy sable
Crit for flat dps*
cinder roost
It's bullshit number but you get the idea
I guess it's also always context dependent.
olive fulcrum
for dps year crit/haste def the way to go
but once you hit the softcap 1 point of crit is going to be worth less then the other stats and thats where the arguement of go "x" stat is better
in regards to your original question if you want to play more offensively in raid you can always run signet 🙂
sturdy sable
Yes but that can legitimately be said for any other stat
I run natures fury for farm
cinder roost
I'm more crit/vers these days, with a randomly chosen "cap" of haste I like
sturdy sable
I still cant get behind stacking vers
olive fulcrum
vers is only good if something that would kill you wouldnt kill you
cinder roost
NF don't benefit from haste 😦 not sure about Blood Link
olive fulcrum
prot benefits from haste through devastator
wide frost
I have to do some fill in raid tanking this week for the guild. What is prot using against Eye of the Jailer's Deathlink? Just double stack ignore pain? I assume shield block doesn't work since it is not a melee, and spell reflect doesn't work because it is physical. LMK.
sturdy sable
Naw but the rest of the kit benefits from haste
sturdy sable
I have to do some fill in raid tanking this week for the guild. What is prot usi...
You should have demo shout for every death link as well
wide frost
You should have demo shout for every death link as well
Thanks
olive fulcrum
sako you could always try venth
cinder roost
prot benefits from haste through devastator
It does but it's still behind DPS wise (might depend if you already have enough though)
olive fulcrum
opening as hard as your dps on pull is pretty fun
cinder roost
I don't need to try anything
sturdy sable
I can do that as NF
cinder roost
I'm not asking for advice
olive fulcrum
as in for pure dps i think venth opens pretty hard
sturdy sable
Drops off faster then NF
cinder roost
I was just interested in the conversation
sturdy sable
I was venthyr till mythic sludge prog
olive fulcrum
which makes other stats like crit more worthwhile
sturdy sable
I was just interested in the conversation
Ditto
crude tartan
Anyone noticed on M Soulrender that your Runeblade debuff hasn't completely fallen off before you taunt the boss back off your other tank? I was getting slapped around tonight by him.
cinder roost
@olive fulcrum I wasn't being rude or anything btw, my parses are already good in raid is all.
The other conv is something else.
cinder roost
Alright, just in writing and going fast sometimes it can comes off wrong.
@crude tartan Yes
olive fulcrum
looking at logs, it looks like it overlaps around 8 secs
cinder roost
Always happening to the tank who's starting, I was just asking for externals to be safe.
olive fulcrum
thats the overlaps from the top log
theres 5 overlaps that last no longer then 8 sec
cinder roost
Oh yeah I mean't the 2nd one cause we did a little swap trick
But looks like it's for both
olive fulcrum
yea it looks pretty much the same from all the logs
crude tartan
Those 8 seconds are scary tbh, but externals are the answer I guess
First time we pulled it I wasn't really paying attention as I was also raid leading and then I went splat
median tulip
Taunt him from max range and most of that 8s will be taken up with him walking towards you. He's quite slow.
cinder roost
That's a DH move ! 😄
obtuse monolith
I mean let's say haste gives you 15% DR via more rage, but vers gives you 10% DR...
I know this is all hypotheticals but we’re all running Indomitable & AM, right? We can spend the more rage we get on DPS rage spenders and still get defensive value from indomitable, or spend it on IP and still get offensive value off AM (Avatar). The toolkit synergy is in the haste, not really in the other stat choices
cinder roost
Sure but in a real environment it might not matter to get Avatar 10sec earlier cause you won't use it again right away.
Haste is fun and strong though don't get me wrong, I just find that it loses value with Reprisal and was wondering if a more balanced approach wouldn't be better given the choice.
It's also safe to recommend
obtuse monolith
No harm in asking the question & discussing. Just thinking about this raid though while you’re not going to blow Avatar or Shield Wall during Eye beam, Painsmith intermission, Sylvanas bridges, the other stats aren’t helping you there either, and your CDs are up when you do need them.
Unblockable stuff (and I feel there’s a fair bit this tier) lowers value of reprisal and mastery. Same w parry value from Crit. And I think that’s where “Haste Vers” is safe because they work for both O & D in wider variety of situations
やった!
Best newsbot post I’ve seen lately. World Boss blood shard can drop from Sylvanas next reset!
cinder roost
I was more thinking m+ tbh cause people seems more focused with this when asking stats around here, I personally don't play haste/reprisal in raid (though it's still my highest rating stat and not sure what I would do without ITF, so maybe I'm still a haste lover :D) but I guess I'm less all about it.
meager locust
im liking my EM in 15 keys~ makes my kyrian war hit so hard
esp with tthe kleia soulbind
but withou reprisal makes war so much more squishier
sudden kayak
do we go night fae or kyrian for prot warrior
mighty valley
whichever looks cool to you, they're very close
sudden kayak
kk i chose kyrian ty
delicate iron
Did someone look into it and can confirm whether or not delaying interrupt on Sylvanas in P2 gives extra time for raid to get into position or does she became vulnerable at the same time regardless of how quickly she was interrupted?
distant crystal
I don't think it does
We were checking it yesterday and timer doesn't change when you kick her
or maybe there's just like a threshold where it stops making a difference idk
sturdy sable
I think its only a loss if you insta kick it
delicate iron
I just checked a few dozens of logs to compare early interrupts with ones where they delayed up to nearly 4 sec and it's definitely worth to kick her late.
On average early kicks gave raid about 5 sec to get to her from moment she started to casting to moment she got debuff from Bolvar and became vulnerable
Late kicks gave raid up to 7 seconds in a perfect scenario where she was kicked near the end of cast.
It seems that no matter how soon you kick her you'll have at least 3 seconds afterwards to get into position, this increased up to 4.5 sec on insta kick - it might be a mechanic so pugs with early kicks don't get punished too much
TL;DR
Insta kicks - 4.5 sec between her starting to cast and being vulnerable
Late kicks - up to 7 sec between her starting to cast and being vulnerable
latent pier
As kyrian, do you basically use spear as a kite tool?
I'm basically between nf and kyrian, just waiting to see how the capstone pans out this week
frosty holly
Shouldn't have any problems kiting as a warrior eitherway.
urban portal
Does prot have piercing howl
zenith vigil
it does not.
true sparrow
Weve got 1target hamstring. Get tabbing!
zenith vigil
anybody use engineering for m+? does it actually have anything useful left
or has blizzard nerfed it into the ground
example: i know last season people were using cardboard assassin
jagged pier
I mean u get a 2 min invis that doesnt share with pots, u get a br
zenith vigil
anything else?
radiant osprey
anything else?
Can still use nitro boots but that shares with pots and is a belt tinker. You also get a brez. And you can stop the slimes in DOS
radiant osprey
Brez if your group doesn’t have one feels pretty baller
Cloak goblin glider was cooler when we didn’t have flying
bronze pasture
is there a way to check which boss abilities are blockable? For example Dormazain's ruinblade. It's physical but has a range of 100 yd, so is it ranged? If I check these abilities on wowhead there's no flag that shows if something is melee or blockable
which is really annoying so I'm just spamming ignore pain instead of shield block all the time cause it doesnt seem like anything is blockable
lucid pasture
is there a way to check which boss abilities are blockable? For example Dormazai...
There is a reflect and Block guide but for the example you used yes ruinblade is blockable but you still get the debuff
The reflect guide Even has comments to tell you what happens
winged wind
Can anyone recommend a working spellreflect wa. Especially for M+ that highlights reflectable spells?
orchid frigate
i'm a bit depressed from doing mists this week. the mobs before 1st boss completely wrecks me. especially the soulcleavers
not sure how to deal with them
ionic fern
Can anyone recommend a working spellreflect wa. Especially for M+ that highlight...
The one linked in #268491842637660160 probably?https://wago.io/SpellReflectionTracker
ionic fern
i'm a bit depressed from doing mists this week. the mobs before 1st boss complet...
Reflect. 🙂
It's the "Soul Split" that wrecks you - Magic damage hit that increases damage taken by 20%. You can SR that.
restive wigeon
with reprisal I guess
ionic fern
If you need the extra SB up-time then it's good, yes.
Otherwise AM takes the cake.
restive wigeon
what about into the fray
uf obviously doesnt make sense without am
but I kinda cba to play ravager
ionic fern
UF has been dead ever since SL released..
We never took that talent.
It was AM/Ravager.
If you're running HR then you can use Ravager or ITF - up to you.
restive wigeon
Ive been doing fine in 20s with uf
ionic fern
I'm happy for you - it's suboptimal.
restive wigeon
Can be suboptimal its 10 times more fun than ravager haha
zenith vigil
R.io != "bis".
Wtf priors shattered
restive wigeon
as long as it works
zenith vigil
ionic fern
You can pretty much play w/e talents you want and make it work in 20's.
People are just overly hung up on the "But the top r.io people play X!!!!".
ionic fern
Can be suboptimal its 10 times more fun than ravager haha
It's a game afterall - if you enjoy it, go ham. 
zenith vigil
Top Rio dudes also play NF
But only because it's cooler
I know this because I play NF because it is cool
zenith vigil
So you listen to top r.io on talents but not cov?
That's the weirdest minmaxing I ever seen
restive wigeon
I'm not minmaxing
I dont have a team and Im not a mythic raider either
Im a pug hero
restive wigeon
and in terms of talents
im just testing out some stuff
I kinda like uf + am when im not that scared of dying
and into the fray + heavy repercussions when i am
ionic fern
HR strength is obvious - it provides you with a lot more SB up-time when playing together with Reprisal.
ITF further strengthens that by reducing the CD on SS/SB etc.
restive wigeon
it just feels nice in general with reprisal
generates more uptime than you'd think
ionic fern
HR is by no means bad - it's solid in what it does.
The increased SB up-time allows you to face-tank even more than you can and not move mobs around all the time.
ionic fern
generates more uptime than you'd think
Doubtful as we already know you can get close to 90%+ blocked with it.
😂
ionic fern
It's not - hasn't been bad since Reprisal was released.
orchid frigate
Reflect. 🙂
ty!
orchid frigate
damn it, got iqd instead of scale
cinder hollow
Hey
Do u use pots in mplus ?
blazing condor
All damage is good damage
cinder hollow
Ok thx.
New to high keys
blazing condor
It shouldnt be the difference between completing the key or not, but there’s really no reason not to pot if you can. Just remember it also puts invis pots on cd if you plan to invis so you time it
errant leaf
Does health pots put invis pot on cd ?
wide pilot
I draw the line at pots. Gonna cost you 2k gold just to run one dungeon
strong forum
Does health pots put invis pot on cd ?
No
Health pot is only health pot CD
Invis shares CD with combat pots
errant leaf
Okok thx
brittle owl
itemization wise yes
but that's a partial answer
trinkets, pull pattern/size, amount of revenj casts all contribute
like survival, dps optimization is 90%+ dependant on play
echo canyon
idk is 5k good or low?
echo canyon
ok thx
hollow sun
jesus
halls this week is bonkers
timed plaguefall 18
went to a halls 15, got destroyed
amber herald
I play HR because I'm lazy 😎
and also because making the tank charge weave is dumb blizzard
orchid frigate
i have yet to pug with one of them venthyr boomies that actually does damage
blazing condor
Halls a shit
echo canyon
nose for trouble (vulpera racial) is still op for prot warrior no?
strong forum
I'm starting to think on big dick keys you should play HR defo, tanking bosses on 25 with the phy aura debuff from not killing one of lieutenants without having 100%sb uptime would kinda hurt
Nose for trouble owns
jagged pier
But its the best raicl for tanking m+
echo canyon
by far i think
strong forum
It's 400k free damage reduction per key
jagged pier
I'm starting to think on big dick keys you should play HR defo, tanking bosses o...
True true, but ive alaays said if your doing 24s and up play hr its just better
Also nome when u teaching me to play arms, as i am only fury mongo capable
strong forum
I'm not good at arms yet either, best I've done is 8k overall
echo canyon
in what key lvl is hr the better choice?
strong forum
Hard to say
In keys where you're 100% skipping soggodon
And where you think you need that extra block uptime on those bosses
echo canyon
like top in tyrannical?
strong forum
Like I did 17soa tyr with skipping soggodon with 226 ilvl and it was omega fine
blazing condor
I know this aint the place but is arms better than fury in m+? Had good fun playing arms for once in a key yesterday
jagged pier
I'm not good at arms yet either, best I've done is 8k overall
But your better than me
inland raft
Mists arms bb
blazing condor
😳
strong forum
Ya I need arms gear
inland raft
Just pray to rng gods for bladestorm procs unless kyrian then go kyrian leggo
inland raft
Im nf cuz i love aa when i prot chz i just do keys for guildies and they seem to not know what a interrupt is
So my runs are heavily rng when i dps, signet…
hollow sun
i am tying arms and its very weird when i charge avatar and just autocast bladestom with the signet lol
strong forum
I believe in kyrian supremacy
inland raft
Kyrian is bae i just like my utility
Dont tell my queen i have eyes for smurfs though
strong forum
My shade of blue > your shade of blue
blazing condor
Cov leggo for arms kyrian?
strong forum
Yes
blazing condor
oki
strong forum
Only in multitarget tho
blazing condor
i have a dusty old signet rn
inland raft
Make a 235 with your excess soul ash
strong forum
I wanna upgrade it to 262 but I ain't paying fucking 300k
blazing condor
Soul cinders grind 🤢
strong forum
I just do my weekly torgy
inland raft
I main arms in raid so hd to make eb first then gotta upgrade reprisal, maybe by time done with that the kyrian grass will convince me
strong forum
Good enough for me
inland raft
You only get ash after first run so no grinding to do
blazing condor
I have like 6k ash saved up
So might have to give dps a go
Cus im a bit bored rn on wow
Might as well go and throw keys
inland raft
O im pretty burnt out thats why this season just doing keys with guildies for weeklys
inland raft
I raid, do weeklys, and dont log in
inland raft
I should do at least the 20s for the teleports and then every week im like ya lets do that then guildies ask for keys do i do those and then no longer have the urge since done with vault already
Got so much time for other games and activities now though
blazing condor
Yeah now during summer and shit i’d rather not sit inside and play wow all day
I got my portals during the limbo-week between the seasons so i dont even got those to go for 
modern brook
I should do at least the 20s for the teleports and then every week im like ya le...
The good news is doing enough keys so that you get the teleport means that's that's officially no longer have to do keys at all so its barely worth it anyways
inland raft
I mean you only have to do a 20 on each key, i started the season with a 20 since was pushing last season, now im down to not sure, 16? However many weeks its been
Doing it would be easy i just am so burnt out so welcoming the pseudo break of bare minimum
Plus all my key friends went to tbc
inland raft
Never cared about io
Dont rven know what i was before
I just liked to challenge myself
blazing condor
I was a rio slave but it doesnt feel the same now with this system
But im generally more burnt on the game
inland raft
Ya
I figure coast it out and maybe next expansion will suck me in again, if not ill be a raid logger as long as still wnjoy hanging with the guildies on raid nights
blazing condor
If i didnt have my guild i defo wouldnt play still
inland raft
Yup guuld been together since tbc
Basically second family
Otherwise no reason to play at all
mellow bridge
idk what it is
modern brook
If i didnt have my guild i defo wouldnt play still
Me rn, guild dne, desire to play==0
mellow bridge
but seeing the rio numbers go up by a lot when timing a high key compared to getting like 2 points felt way better
monkey brain like big number
hollow sun
yeah. Sometimes i feel the guild as a burden ( i am the gm)
The desire to stop playing is there but you have friends and guildies you spent a loot of time togheder
and leaving feels like a waste of time
fossil vapor
guys only for raid what is the best covenant? and why?
jagged pier
Condemn is defensive
rigid edge
Just out of curiosity, where or whom you get your routes from for M+?
jagged pier
🧠
gaunt dawn
same as last season
dip to the side for extra dude in NW
in DoS go for executioner early
tiny orchid
maaan i freaking hate the auto phial 😦
blazing condor
Auto phial feels like ass
tiny orchid
it really does
zenith vigil
that's why you play chad night fae
plush tendon
Im going back to being a fairy
Was going to try out Mik today as Kyrian.... stopped caring after 4 dungeons as Kyrian
tiny orchid
ye i think i will go back to nf too
plush tendon
Give me AA or give me death!
tiny orchid
is the thing that heals u from deep wounds better then new conduit for m+?
blazing condor
Deep wounds is p bad
zenith vigil
the heal is pretty pathetic
plush tendon
both are quite pathetic TBH
tired ice
Does autophial put the phial on CD?
fading dirge
Yes, it uses a charge and activates the CD
tired ice
omg
That's a legitimate downgrade
So you can choose one of two things you don't want the phial to do
sweet summit
ya just take the knock imo
tiny orchid
and then u are running 1 potency
or u take a bite and lose on haste
but i dont know if its worth it just for cd on spear
torpid cliff
the knockback can be really nice sometimes
sweet summit
so that's not a big loss
modern brook
Yeah how will I run show of force if I only have 1 potency lmao
main wasp
if we take Mika's Effusive Anima Accelerator's trait from Renown 57, do we lose the tether/vortex component of the Spear of Bastion?
lofty widget
nope
main wasp
so is it an effect/damage that just adds onto how Spear of Bastion already functions?
lofty widget
it adds a small dot and most importantly reduces the cooldown up to 20 seconds
lunar jackal
Im very curious how closer to NF will be in terms of damage after capstones
plush tendon
I no longer care about the DPS difference; I know NF pumps, I know Kyrian pumps, but I also know that NF knocksdown
But im glad all shades of blue can be pumpers now 
inland raft
Writing my new book shades of blue
patent osprey
bitter plover
I caved in, swapped nightfae. No regrets, i just miss my banner and fleshcraft. And my roster of missiontable champions
plush tendon
latent pier
I'm probably joining team nf. >.>
main wasp
i'd like too but my usual team already got 2 NF, so i gotta be the Kyrian 😦
lunar jackal
@main wasp better having to say "I gotta be Kyrian" than any of the other 2
plush tendon
I am a little nervous about going back NF; our WW went Necro
so we a Hpal, MM hunter, and Arcane mage as Kyrian.... but still
errant leaf
Guys if im playing HR, meaning that i have no cdr on avatar, is it worth to play the aa conduit even tho im not going to lineup every aa with avatar ?
wary plume
yo, i aint a prot war full disclosure
someones telling me our prot war needs minimum 20% haste
is this actually true or is it bogus?
strong forum
Bogus
It's beneficial to have more haste, but minimum/maximum amount of stats required aren't a thing
strong forum
That being said, you can easily gain 12% or more haste from neck + rings alone. So if you have less you're seriously weirdly geared
For example I have like 18-20% haste from rings + neck alone
wary plume
👍
strong forum
And those are slots where you can drop ilvl for better stats aka haste
latent pier
I am a little nervous about going back NF; our WW went Necro
Isn't kyrian better, especially this week?
CDR on woo sounds insane.
plush tendon
yea, but NF gang
I played around with Kyrian last week; the damage is good (pretty similar) but I miss Soul Shape more then I like Phial
and I miss the Knockdown
from AA more then I like the tether
modern brook
U don't play spear for the tether or the damage
You do it so you don't have to fuck a bird to play wow
distant crystal
😳
plush tendon
huh?
polar radish
CDR on woo sounds insane.
not really cause then it doesnt line up with xuen
patent osprey
I played around with Kyrian last week; the damage is good (pretty similar) but I...
Do more SDs and you will miss phial more
plush tendon
I like SD....
plush tendon
yea, im not that good
patent osprey
even with a CD, its chunking you for 1/2 your health xD
blizzard hates prot warriors 😦
noone was ever like, I wish we couldn't dodge this bleed
plush tendon
I think you can parry it
patent osprey
yeah u can, but we cant control parry like brew can control dodge
brews can dodge all the bleeds 😦
distant crystal
just stack crit 4Head
latent pier
not really cause then it doesnt line up with xuen
fair.
plush tendon
yeah u can, but we cant control parry like brew can control dodge
Yea, but would you still say no to AA cause of a silly bleed
dusky elk
Is mikanikos the way to go now?
patent osprey
Yea, but would you still say no to AA cause of a silly bleed
I mean, im still NF 😉
plush tendon
radiant anvil
Seeing pika say he is NF just confirms I'm staying NF
patent osprey
I dunno, if thats what ill be after my guild finishes prog, but at least for now with my current group setup, I don't see myself swapping.
Only if my group really needs a kyrian
radiant anvil
I love the additional CC it brings hard to give that up
radiant anvil
But the potion is like the most tempting thing
plush tendon
😭
plush tendon
Nom will oppress us
distant crystal
brb flying to my mission table to send missions
oh you have to walk there? shame
strong forum
You mean "return to camp"?
plush tendon
Naw, I get to be a cute little lion at my mission table
strong forum
polar radish
GOTTEM
distant crystal
UwU
plush tendon
The vulpera in my guild put there camp at the vault
for monday night
actually such a cool racial
strong forum
Now that it's fixed it's great
In bfa it would break every few hours/days
Now in SL i didn't have to remake camp once
short apex
Lads, does anyone here have big ass framedrops on some raidfights? My games sometimes even crashes, mainly on Dormezain and KT (tank) adds. Gigapulls in m+ work super fine so its not the adds themselves
radiant anvil
I only drop frames when I hover over my menu button on the microbar
distant crystal
p sure everybody gets a huge stutter on pull on sylvanas
radiant anvil
Legit if I wanna see my ms by hovering over the microbar it causes my game to skip
Thats the only time I see that lol
short apex
I just dont understand, I can run M+ fine on 6, but even on 1 my game crashes in these Situations. Stuff I know from the top of my head are the 9 add, Dormezain adds and KT Tank adds
distant crystal
Might try a fresh install, could be some addon/weakaura acting up
muted arch
have bis shards shifted for us
obtuse monolith
Blood got buffed. Praise be. It was already best set
muted arch
perf
dusky elk
Thoughts on 252 anima field emmiter over 230 alchemy trinket? It's really my only viable option in the vault
ocean yoke
just got one myself hell yeah
fading dirge
Is the overwhelming power crystal any good? I can get a 14 ilvl cloak upgrade or a 26ilvl trinket upgrade (my trinkets are shit). It would be replacing my 226 gluttonus spike.
amber herald
shield if you don't have a 252 yet
mental scarab
Massive crit
amber herald
246 to 252 shield is still worth
ocean yoke
look good tank good
zenith vigil
weird happenstance question boys
we take the aegis, right?
other trinkets are 210 scale and 200 garbage but i can get 230 alch stone soon
jagged pier
yes
zenith vigil
brand new char, doesn't feel too bad
fading dirge
curious about trinkets, do I get the 252 power crystal (using 226 Glut spike and 233 meat hook) or a 14 ilvl upgrade to my cloack?
uneven mason
fading dirge
cant get a defensive trinket to save my life lol
placid oar
Hi guys, would the heroic Domination gear actually be better than a ilvl 252 i get from the vault? I am really casual and only do raids infrequently, I have a 252 ilvl glove with hates vers in my vault and a heroic domination glove. Not sure which to pick
hopefully you guys can advice?
placid oar
ah i see
jagged pier
your locked on 6 slots
placid oar
thank you Jakey
jagged pier
all dom pieces and leggo
placid oar
got it
ruby oar
even in m+ without set bonus?
placid oar
i guess i have been unlucky for all my vaults lately since they are slots that coincides with my dom slits
jagged pier
yes
ruby oar
hadly playing raids
placid oar
Jakey, would a normal dom socket item actually be better than a 252 ilvl then?
placid oar
cos i seldom raid like Little as well
oh gosh ok
i hope for the day i get those and a shield then
thanks alot btw (=
stay safe and have a good day!
vocal stag
is there a spell reflect weak aura for sanctum of domination?
jagged pier
so accretion is a gem, thats been upgraded twice, so it can be upgraded twice more
cobalt shore
Whats the best NF Soulbind for M+ in your opinion (+15 - +20 Keys) ?
zenith vigil
what an unexpected question, the answer definitely isn't in one of the two guides three channels up
cobalt shore
im asking for you opinion not whats guides say, wanted some thoughts of prot warriors
sweet summit
Korayn
zenith vigil
anyways, consensus imo is niya defensive korayn offensive
zenith vigil
anything worth it during this weeks' timewalking?
echo canyon
is unnerving focus better than brutal vitality?
distant crystal
only a slim shot at a normal dom piece
sweet summit
is unnerving focus better than brutal vitality?
A lot better
echo canyon
why?
tropic gorge
I hope everyone got good item choices from the vault this week.
I missed my goal of hitting all m+ at over 10 by 2 runs :( I gotta work on getting more successful timed runs under my belt to get more invites
gleaming blaze
List of best Tanking Trinkets?
distant crystal
matrix aegis scale phial anima field emitter
strong forum
why?
6% conditional leech vs 46% increased rage on demand rage gen
big fucking thonk
with unnerving focus LS turns into quite a strong defensive and offensive CD
tropic gorge
I got the trinket from the 9 out of my chest a couple weeks ago. I love that thing. It's so good, or at least seems so good
The tank absorb shield trinket I mean
late wasp
Is there a point where you might have gone overboard with haste?
late wasp
Fair enough
tropic gorge
Ah your discord icon makes me miss heroic strike jakey
tropic gorge
Same. Ww seems useless
jagged pier
it is
strong forum
why is there literally never anything to do on a tuesday evening
i need a weekly key
latent pier
Noob prot warrior, BSC or Booming for M+?
strong forum
BSC is more damgur
jagged pier
i need a weekly key <:seanbee:836829660016803860>
LETS GOOOOOO
latent pier
alright, punish or dev?
ionic fern
i need a weekly key <:seanbee:836829660016803860>
Me too. 😦
strong forum
okay that makes 3
jagged pier
LETS GOOOOOOO
latent pier
thank you sir.
weary cipher
so after the dom set bonus changes is blood still BiS? i assume it is
shut summit
yep
strong forum
unless you can squeeze in like 42%+ crit baseline
ionic fern
jagged pier
unless you can squeeze in like 42%+ crit baseline
weary cipher
ez
strong forum
for guardians, frost set actually becomes bis if theyre max crit (42%) god gear
and they would sim a weak 9k
ionic fern
Wait, are we doing the key then? I got a DoS 15.
strong forum
ya
ionic fern
Gimme a sec.
sinful stone
how good are domination sockets for M+? like should I give up ilvl for them?
strong forum
ya theyre still pretty nuts
jagged pier
yes
latent pier
its like +7% dps
ionic fern
strong forum
lmao
supple spruce
You guys like running Reprisal or The Wall during this fortified week in DOS?
jagged pier
reprisal
jagged pier
sinful stone
so heroic 239+domination socket > 252 vault M+ reward ?
jagged pier
yes
strong forum
absolutely
jagged pier
if mwahis coming does that mean i play arms? 👀
strong forum
jakey vs nomer arms dps race
ionic fern
OH
jagged pier
u will win
strong forum
😅
sweet summit
👀
sinful stone
i'm surprised that domination sockets are so powerful for tanking M+ that we would give up 13ilvls considering we do not get rune word
jagged pier
i mean kyr will give like 600k absorb shield
thats far more than what u get from 13 ilvls
strong forum
or getting a free 3% dmg increase
jagged pier
^^
deft vessel
which two? matrix and scale right??
deft vessel
matrix is good I guess
sinful stone
Portentous Shard of Kyr Gain 1320 Absorb every 5 sec, up to a cap of 6600.
how are you getting 600k
strong forum
because it applies a ton?
fossil valley
can we leap over painsmith balls or nah? i hear conflicting info but sense's sheet says we can
strong forum
this shit is a good 15k per minute for free
earnest iron
You probably need to watch your angles. Possible to clip the balls if you're too shallow
I tried and failed but also have heard that it's possible.
fossil valley
i see so pass them at the height of the jump
jagged pier
Portentous Shard of Kyr Gain 1320 Absorb every 5 sec, up to a cap of 6600.
this is not max rank already nearly better than a torment power
earnest iron
Yeah, make it a shorter jump linearly so that your arc is higher.
sinful stone
15k per minute is not 600k...
strong forum
if your shard is leveld up nicely, i can be over the course of 30min
which was implied
jagged pier
^^
sinful stone
but that's liek saying "this hsard will give you 200million absorb"
strong forum
??
sinful stone
then adding "over the course of 24 hours" lol
sinful stone
it's 1320 absorb every 5 secs at max lvl, so no matter what it's 264HPS
jagged pier
at rank 3 its 1010 but can go upto 5050
strong forum
if you think, having 264 extra hps is worth less than 13 ilvl then idk m8
sinful stone
5050 is how much it'll stack
sinful stone
yea that's fine, i'm not arguing that
strong forum
same as 3% from bek, or the stacking % of dyz
shards are absolutely worth it even without the bonus
which is just sad
jagged pier
latent pier
man, how can you even play prot without devastator
jagged pier
we used to
latent pier
horrifying
jagged pier
and u just still dont press devastate because u dont have the globals
strong forum
devastator was a dps loss in m+
jagged pier
strong forum
so thats how you get over it 🙂
plush tendon
It was pre-nerf ITF vs Devastator
strong forum
wasnt it booming voice
sweet summit
it was vs BV
strong forum
in bfa
strong forum
ITF was deadset always, cuz it competed with punish and
sweet summit
punish and WM
sweet summit
no way
blazing condor
Victory
strong forum
itF competed with impending victory and punish on first row
strong forum
ravager
blazing condor
oh yea
strong forum
am, hr and ravager
sweet summit
miss her
strong forum
hr had +30% dmg on SS
blazing condor
look at this nerd with the stats
strong forum
i mean, ravager hit for 4k when thunderclap hit for 40k 🙂
🙂
:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))
was a great button
sweet summit
35% parry doe
strong forum
massive
tropic gorge
I kinda like devistate. When grabbing initial agro (esp of I miss some mobs with Tc), devistate is a decent amount of threat.
I also like when rng smiles upon me and I get multiple shield slam resets
plush tendon
35% parry doe
really had to parry the post mitagation hit of 2k
sweet summit
it was the necrotic tech