mikanikos spear reduction seems kinda scary tho
#protection
naive whale
jagged pier
just saying kyrian already pumping
uneven mason
Yeah, but flying smurfs
tired ice
You can also be a combat pigeon! 
cinder fern
?
ionic fern
?
sweet summit
did you just...
ionic fern
That's the dumbest thing i've seen in a whiule.
cinder fern
It gets by, but I never said I was clever. I'm not trying to brag, I'm just trying to say it's not garbage.
sweet summit
neither did mwahi?
cinder fern
Sorry for having seemed stupid, I'm fairly good at that. It is more work than just spear or AA.
You kinda have to go ham to get it to work.
ionic fern
Jeh, the others just do the same thing with less effort.
You do add more damage for your group tho so that's goood.
uneven mason
Going ham is what it is all about
craggy pilot
how is druid not OP as fk?
this is me on my shaman being outhealed in a DOS 13 by a druid... on bolster week
tired ice
Probably playing with Ursocs Fury Remembered, which pumps tons of absorb shield
signal pulsar
that only happens with their legendary and while incarn is up. Outside of incarn that never happens.
craggy pilot
this is over the pace of an entire dungeon
amber herald
they're weaker than us outside of incarn I'd say
but a 30 second effective immunity is a 30 second effective immunity
craggy pilot
but still outhealing the healer seems dumb as fk
oak lotus
I always out heal healers in dungeons as bear druid
amber herald
was the ele shaman doing damage?
tired ice
It's so funny when I run M+ with my guardian cotank and shaman Heal and the shaman constantly complains in voice about being outhealed xD
craggy pilot
@amber herald what?
amber herald
resto
oak lotus
He sure as heck could have. he wasnt healing lol
craggy pilot
the resto was me, and i was trying to do dmg but not rly doing much π
guess i should have had Deeptremor on
oak lotus
Also boys. JUST GOT MY PHIAL LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
strong forum
how is that not OP as fk?
its not OP as fuck, but its rated very highly for m+ for a reason :^)
craggy pilot
just feels weird being healer with a druid tank not having to do anything :<
guess thats why DPS Holy Paladins are popular
strong forum
well having a venthyr paladin work out requires the entire group not to require alot of healing
which is why in low level keys / pugs, venthyr paladin often doesnt play out even remotely well
craggy pilot
yea makes sense
when im playing sham with druid tank, im mostly healing the 3 dps standing in shit
strong forum
guardian druid doesnt require alot of healing in huge pulls because of their combination of incarn thrash spam + UFR, outside of CDs bears still require quite some attention
craggy pilot
UFR and Earthwarden was healing as much as i was as shaman..
oak lotus
But thing is @craggy pilot if you tank well on your warrior, you'll be the same way this druid is. Hardly need heals. You'll need a few riptides here and there but
uneven mason
Yeah, it's not like we're brewmasters
uneven mason
UFR and Earthwarden was healing as much as i was as shaman..
They're "sniping" your ability to heal (and dampening your mastery) by producing constant absorbs on themselves, so their heals get registered first, healing is a finite value in wow - whoever gets to piss in the bucket first wins
this is why reading healing logs/parses or meters is way more complicated then DPS
craggy pilot
yea ok makes sense thx π
plush tendon
So heres a brain exercise, I play 4 tanks Paladin, War, DH, and DK, and I want to play all 4 Covs. How would you set your characters up for this?
jagged pier
dk necro, paladin venth, dh nf, prot kyrian
plush tendon
that was sort of what I was thinking
Was playing around with Kyiran last night on War; its pretty fun... I do miss soul shape though
The issue of course is that elusive necro cov.... why is it so bad for so many classes π
jagged pier
i mean its great for dk
chrome falcon
necrolord isn't "so" bad for warrior but certainly kyrian is better
plush tendon
Im calling it 'bad' cause gameplay to maximize the buff is garbage
jagged pier
^^
chrome falcon
eh i dunno i find that gameplay to maximize the buff is fine
plush tendon
if it were group wide rather then two closest, we would be in business
chrome falcon
i just ask my ret if he has wings up and he says "up in 20" and i'm like. ok i'll just hold banner for 20 seconds
then i watch my ret one shot the pack and take all the credit
or he says "up in 40" and i pop it for myself and bathe in sweet delicious 27k execute crits
jagged pier
^^
chrome falcon
sometimes i pop it for my boomie
plush tendon
The dps I usually run with is a Havoc, MM Hunter, WW, Arcane Mage with featured appearances from a Demo Lock and Arms Warrior (usually 2 at the same time)
jagged pier
then u should sync wings and banner to ca
sweet summit
fuck boomkins, but fair enough
chrome falcon
hey i agree, fuck boomkins
in 7 years of raid leading i have met two boomkins who were stable and normal individuals, that spec is absolutely fucking cursed
plush tendon
now we are down to 1, whos slowly losing braincells to Venthyr
chrome falcon
we also had 3 and they're all gone, our resident class-hopper switched to it though
plush tendon
I got mad warriors though
chrome falcon
idk what it is but boomies are just psychopaths
plush tendon
and not a single shaman of any kind
chrome falcon
my 2 boomies wanted to reroll venthyr from NF so they made new toons instead of grinding valour
plush tendon
I want to cry
chrome falcon
then came to our first SoD raid 10 ilvls lower than their previous NF characters
oh, and they also swapped names so communication was a nightmare, so they got their asses kicked
plush tendon
Yea, I had 6 people in my raid group reroll
chrome falcon
psychopaths.
sweet summit
LOL
plush tendon
not a single priest yet, not a single shaman
and recruiting is hard since server is kind of meh for it
chrome falcon
no i'm not even kidding i said to them "if you guys swap your names around i am not inviting you to my raid"
and they swapped names, so i didn't invite them to the raid
plush tendon
KEK
chrome falcon
and they cried on discord that i couldn't take a joke
psychopath class.
... anyway on topic, i like banner and it's very playable unless you're going seriously bleeding edge keys, but kyrian is definitely a much smoother experience
plush tendon
I tried banner for a while, I just came to the conclusion it wasnt worth it
amber herald
I wouldn't go venth pala it's hard to get aggro/holy power without DT
plush tendon
which sucks cause I love the Necrolord Cov
chrome falcon
i enjoy the gameplay a LOT more now that i have the legendary
getting an 80 second long banner uptime is π
chrome falcon
Eh, true, you have to play with bolster instead of AM as well
But I've found that my damage keeps up relatively well
I'm normally a few 100 dps behind what the good kyrian warriors in here post but
- i'm just not as good as them in keys and 2) i think the banner buff is making up for it, hopefully
mikky buff might be too good to pass up on though...
plush tendon
I do, on average depending on dungeon, between 4.6k-5k taking out dungeon buffs and what not
jagged pier
that seems low
chrome falcon
If i have a good run i'm hitting like 5.5k in 18s
plush tendon
that seems low
still 1k more then my DK : ^)
jagged pier
plush tendon
well, im only thinking about this current week
but yea, could definitely pump harder
Mists is a different story of course
that dungeon is stonks... but we aint running a lot of mists atm
plush tendon
I want to pull big in HoA..... but we dont do interrupts well
sweet summit
mood
jagged pier
^^
distant crystal
if people would just not kick the damned curse
distant crystal
i swear that's most of the problem
short apex
the fucking bolts chunk so hard man
plush tendon
I just run in, rotate through my CDs, once thats up im out
short apex
i feel like i have so many disrupting tools with shockwave, aftershock and spellreflext
short apex
and when their done i just eat 3 bolts and im dead
sweet summit
they are hacking
plush tendon
you also can interrupt with stuns+knockdowns, but they just immediately start casting again!
crystal iris
Heroic Painsmith, can you shield block to mitigate the hammer hit? of does it only work if youre in melee range of the boss
plush tendon
it doesnt hurt too much
crystal iris
yeah i usually demo shout and IP and its fine
short apex
just be vulpera to freely mitigate some p2/3 dmg lmao
afaik 2/3 phase hammers do some fire/magic dmg so you can spellreflect if u feel like u need to mitigate more
dusky canopy
Usually hitting 5k-5.5k in the 15-17s
I know it could be more if I pull bigger but I only pug so I try not to rely on the group as much as I can
plush tendon
I never pug; the bois just be monkies
dusky canopy
In my experience it's most runs with overlapping stuns and interrupts and I'm taking way more avoidable damage than I should be due to bad cc
The only big pulls I like doing are in ardenwield dos and gauntlet SD I've had the most success there
I've tried the double bug pack towards the end of mots but it seems like those big shield casts get off everytime lol
shy coral
do you use the threat bar in elvui?
distant crystal
there's no shield casters in the normal doublepack
that's the staghorn
You can actually do a triple there and there's only 1 staghorn to kick
sweet summit
buff spell reflect
plush tendon
Spell Reflect in Spires
plush tendon
Yesterday was the first time the bois didnt interrupt the ethers after I yelled at them for months
distant crystal
make it reflect everything on the whole party for 6 seconds 
chrome falcon
@jagged pier dude pls i miss that so much
reflecting 3 chaos bolts in arcway? mmmmm
jagged pier
distant crystal
spell reflect being the highest dmg in the whole party on first boss ToS
hallow smelt
Fastest way to renown farm?
sweet summit
think its torghast layer 9 spam
sweet summit
ya just speed run it
idk about the m0 one
plush tendon
take yo time, wait for resets and get big renown gains from Assaults, rescue soul quests, callings, and the two world bosses
world bosses give like 3 renown if you are low enough
hallow smelt
ty ty
jagged pier
yes
steady flint
does anyone have the numbers on average shield wall cd using the wall legendary?
misty charm
guys i have only been playing m+ so far and now gotta tank HC today, what talents do i take? i thought 3112231?
or do i take heavy rep?
plush tendon
guys i have only been playing m+ so far and now gotta tank HC today, what talen...
This is the raid build
misty charm
yea ive seen those on the wowhead guide but i wasnt sure because im using reprisal and also i thought heavy rep could be better?
plush tendon
Heavy Rep not necessary in raid
misty charm
also we only have 3 meeles, should i still take into the fray?
lean moth
Yes. You want as much haste as possible. Also AM gives you more uptime of avatar and more revenge procs of shield slam
misty charm
no holy's
lean moth
Deeps. You can be a pumper too
misty charm
did someone say
misty charm
wtb BSC vs BV?
misty charm
seems a bit pointless
was more of a joke
lean moth
Depends if you need damage or not. Typically in raid BV is better as far as I am aware
Unless you are progging and need to meet dps checks. You have to be very on point with reprisal use constantly to get the most value
plush tendon
Booming voice tends to do more damage in ST then BSC as far as I'm aware
merry ocean
π€
misty charm
got it ty
blazing condor
Sylvanas is a Wall-fight right?
jagged pier
yus
blazing condor
fank u
nova surge
Is pelagos still the best tanking soulbind?
azure lantern
He's not a Soulbind for Necrolord so obvi not!
nova surge
It's Kyrian, why to tank as a necrolord and not as a Kyrian?
jagged pier
mikanos
zenith vigil
night fae gang rise up
azure lantern
I was joking. I'm only just now leveling my Warrior so don't listen to what I have to say. Although I AM going Necrolord for flavor so
nova surge
night fae gang rise up
Why so? I mean it provides more mobility? Better aoe cc?
jagged pier
it does none of that
nova surge
Stat's overall?
nova surge
So Minakos atm is the best choise cause you can have a 20 sec cooldown redaction in mythics
I mean, i am using the spear on CD
amber herald
it sims 400+dps for me now too
the spear thing is going to send mikanikos to the moon
zenith vigil
stonks
amber herald
I can't quite remember but kyrian is better on less targets I think
nightfae needs to hit at least 5 targets to do all its damage
chrome falcon
What would you guys use for keys that actually hurt on fortified like 18+ out of a 246 scale, a 233 anima emitter, and a 239 aegis
I honestly might just go with the double on-use
amber herald
I'd run aegis and a dps trinket
chrome falcon
i've been going scale+emitter and the emitter does feel good but some of these packs are kinda just chewing me up
amber herald
I'd run aegis and scale in DOS this week
chrome falcon
yeah DOS 19 made me feel like i really wanted double on use that's specifically what i'm thinking of
amber herald
aegis is better it's functionally an immunity for 8 seconds
highest I've done is a 17 PF this week but I didn't notice my health go down at all with it active
chrome falcon
PF's real easy this week as long as you have a disease guy
amber herald
true (although I did it with 4 melee lmao)
chrome falcon
oof
amber herald
some random pug I joined
chrome falcon
i dunno i just think aegis in DOS is like
amber herald
the DH kept momentuming into packs and dieing lmfao
chrome falcon
oh ok cool you took the 35k shadowstrike down to 29k very nice i am still extremely fucking dead
amber herald
yeah
chrome falcon
so i dunno maybe nothing can save you from that shit
amber herald
that's why I'd run both (if I had both π’ )
shadowcore needs group co-ordinated interrupts that's about it
otherwise it's floor inspection time
chrome falcon
what's a "group co-ordinated interrupt"
chrome falcon
it doesn't happen in most runs in my experience
it's taken a while but i've just about managed to persuade my guild that they don't need to kick the first wicked bolt that Obliterators cast in HoA
amber herald
you either have instinct interuppters or people who never interrupt in pugs
both are bad for shadowcore
strong forum
A group coordinated interrupt is when every single dps uses their kick at the same time
chrome falcon
slam interrupt every cast you see so you have the "well MY kick was on cooldown" excuse
100% uptime
i really wanted to do a 20 this week but my group has 3 19 or 20 DOS keys
amber herald
nothing quite like watching the entire kick tracker light up on rebellious fist and then the entire party dying in the next 10s from casts
it's funny if you're not invested in the key 
man... I think DOS is the hardest dungeon this week that's some bad luck
chrome falcon
HOA is probably harder if your group has bad kicks
drifting glade
do the shards of domination buffs affect anything for us
zenith vigil
drifting glade
oops, thanks
zenith vigil
drifting glade
wait which pins
this channel's pins?
does that take into account the recent buffs
dense gate
Is codex of the first technique trash? Stamina obviously very meh but the proc looks like it could be really good
obtuse monolith
Pug Tarragrue on every difficulty you can. Shield will come
strong forum
Is codex of the first technique trash? Stamina obviously very meh but the proc l...
looks to me like a terrible trinket
latent pier
Sadly my warrior is still a rat, so probably can only get normal for now.
dense gate
in keys essentially a 10% DR proc looks really good or am I missing something
strong forum
if its RNG its not good
dense gate
fair
strong forum
it doesnt save you in any way
getting the proc on 3 targets
then not getting it on a big pull
dense gate
Makes sense. Kinda dont wanna run double on use but scale+aegis looks so strong lol
strong forum
then just a regular human being and dont use scale when you have aegis
double on use is only for the omega dumbo tryhards in ultra keys
dense gate
I aspire to be one of them one day
strong forum
rip
lavish oracle
I kinda like double on use as a tank
It's nice to have a couple extra defensive buttons
blazing condor
do we only taunt on arrows on p1 sylv? or any stacks on banshee's mark? I get 6 stacks and it kind of trucks me when i run out with arrow
jagged pier
when i wanted something i ither had cds or aegis
strong forum
sacred timber
trying to pump dmg instead of healing
"noob tank" with more healing than him
No tank trinkets, barely any vers.
lavish oracle
I mean, 2.1k is low even if they're dpsing the whole time, lol
next burrow
it do be like that @sacred timber and fellow upcoming tanks... theres a reason we have a " ignore pain " button for irl too
blazing condor
usually hpals just go full dam instead of healing
and still do like 3k dps overall
and 2k hps
sacred timber
I mean, he did "4k dps" but it should even count cause half of his dps was from javelins
modern brook
Imagine bringing meters up in a nw
sacred timber
Also, I dont think Im doing that bad for a 230 ilvl tank with no vers gear or no scale
plush tendon
The biggest thing is just playing well; you can get KSM on any week by just pressing W through the dungeon
The only limiting factor is honestly how much damage can your dps do
lilac bloom
wow.. sylvanas heroic.. require ppl who are over ilevel 230.. some even require i level 235
sacred timber
The only limiting factor is honestly how much damage can your dps do
I feel like prot has really good survivability
especially with reprisal
cause all them free shield blocks
plush tendon
Prot is very good on the defensive and damage front
lilac bloom
yah reprisal is good
plush tendon
but you dont need a lego to get KSM either
hell, it may be time for one of us to level a Warrior with no Cov and no lego and get KSM to prove a point XD
like the BDKs
sacred timber
I have a lego for every warrior spec, arms (signet/enduring), prot (reprisal), and fury (signet)
jagged pier
i mean its what u find comfortable i already had KSM at 226 this season
next burrow
hmm guys been checking the pins but dont see any suggested secondary stats etc...
blazing condor
^^
plush tendon
Haste>everything else
jagged pier
ilvl> that everything
plush tendon
I level supersedes everything but rings and necks
next burrow
even for raid sir?
plush tendon
yep
sacred timber
My first key I ran this season was at 224 and we timed a +17, but it was fury which is my main spec, but I am tired of not getting into key on fury
cause 2010 io on week two i guess just isn't enough for people.
plush tendon
lol, pugs are dumb
we did a 15 PF the first week with 4 warriors and a holy priest
and it was Tyrannical; that first boss was a shit show but hilarious
lining up our spell reflects for stomp and then using fears for the adds XD
sacred timber
yea, just bought ksm 9 days after the patch you know? terrible player, only 2200 io in preseason and 1600 io last s1. fucking abysmal fury player
plush tendon
Pug life is just terrible
However, I will always recommend that if you can play tank for keys, do so
DPS are a dime a dozen, tanks are like gold for pugs
ocean yoke
every time i try dpsing a key i just get annoyed by something the tank does i would do different and go back
next burrow
i only know pug life thug life
zenith vigil
hmm guys been checking the pins but dont see any suggested secondary stats etc.....
Read. The. Guides.
jagged pier
@ionic fern 9.1 cheatsheet when 
ionic fern
9.1 Cheatsheet = Read the guides.
jagged pier
π
next burrow
@zenith vigil oops didnt see them on top ! soz~~
zenith vigil
smh this guy doesn't wanna do a bunch of work for no compensation whatsoever
boo mwahi, boo
ionic fern
Jeah, i'm a shameful person. π¦
short gust
I am trying to improve my mythic plus tanking strategies and skills. Last season I mostly healed while I did get my tank to a 1500 raider.io score. While healing, I watched a streamer named Growl (yumy) who would post tip videos as well as analyze viewer submitted runs. With those videos, I was able to get KSM on my healers while pugging. I realize pug life is terrible, but itβs my only option as I canβt find players/guilds in my time zone (Hawaii).
All this is background to ask a question: is there a streamer who does what Growl does for prot warriors? Iβve read every guide and observed tanks from the healer perspective but cannot seem to lead successfully timed groups past m11 keys. Thanks!
plush tendon
If you like Growl, take a look into Dorki
for general tank help
Also, gotta give a shoutout to Plka if you are looking for Prot War specific stuff;
short gust
Thatβs awesome, thank you
covert sentinel
do we have a lazy option for m+ for when you're tired of playing reprisal?
chilly brook
I mean you could run the wall and bolster
But its 100% worse
Like it really isn't much effort to intervene someone next to you every 30 seconds
And to charge every now and again
blazing condor
Does Veil of darkness spawn on players or not?
sweet summit
p1 and p2 spawns around players
p3 is literally ontop of players
blazing condor
ty ty
chilly brook
You want to stack in p2
And loose spread before it in p3
If everyone stacks in p2 its trivial to avoid
People getting hit with it in p2 is honestly bad news and pretty much can cause wipes
amber herald
do we have a lazy option for m+ for when you're tired of playing reprisal?
no but you can play HR instead of AM with reprisal
that's pretty easy
wanton panther
Hey guys with the new domination set bonus buffs which do you think will work better ?
Currently I tried blood and the amount of dmg and healing was so little that I chose to use Dyz and Kyr instead.
blazing condor
You want to stack in p2
Yeah it felt intuitive to stack, we had a lot of people dying to it which was annoying but i didnt know if stacking was the go-to. Thanks
chilly brook
Yeah it felt intuitive to stack, we had a lot of people dying to it which was an...
Yep, you can run out of them pretty easy if they're stacked
And you can drop stuff like windrush totem to make it even easier
P3 is make sure your dispels are in order and that your arrows get out and then its just down to beating the dps check
blazing condor
we used roar for each one
But idk theyre always everywhere
Guildies just not doing their job π
ocean yoke
@wanton panther blood was already good and will be even better. do you have them upgraded? theyre already a huge part of my damage with just a few levels
short gust
bonus points if you find Dorki's stream by asking growl
π
wanton panther
<@!638815725049610298> blood was already good and will be even better. do you ha...
I have them all desolate. But for example the healing the do is less than desolate shard of Kyr alone.
They will for sure get better but I am thinking maybe frost will be better after the buff.
ocean yoke
ill be curious to see how it goes but i would guess blood will still be a bit above, kyr is definitely a nice gem on its own
as it stands on it own i had kills this week where blood link was my second/third highest dmg source at like 400+ dps
the upgrades might just buff it
a lot
jagged pier
@strong forum
strong forum
jagged pier
i may have pissed off a few melee
ocean yoke
we are technically melee too theyll get over it
brittle owl
melee dps are concave skulls anyway
woven bear
I'm at sylv hc and I getting a shitload of shadow dmg per second, also the heartseeker do a loot of damage. I guess you can't spellreflect those (at least you can't the wailing arrows), so I'm wondering if you have some tips there?
cold zealot
I'm at sylv hc and I getting a shitload of shadow dmg per second, also the heart...
Physical component of her heartseeker is blockable, Shadow damage geht's reduced by reflect.
If you rotate Tanks between each Cast of that and you layer Block+reflect+ignore IT should barely be noteiceable on your healthbar.
As Form the wailing Arrow, communicate to be Topped when leaping Out late or use Last Stand or Wall or scale there.
If you have Problems with p3 wailing arrows, ots basically the Same but Fall your healers to Focus and top you More.
At least thats what i would do with 2 Tanks in heroic
Sorry for any spelling mistakes but the German autocorrect is weird.
ocean yoke
the wall is also a bit better for sylv because of all the magic dmg if youre not running that already
woven bear
π you mean I can spell reflect the heartseekers?
cold zealot
True but a signifikant damage loss IMO.
I only use Wall, when solotanking syvalas hc
cold zealot
π you mean I can spell reflect the heartseekers?
No, of Just reducea the damage 20% Magic dr
woven bear
okay I tried to reduce the damage of wailing arrow with spell reflect, maybe that's not worth it
ocean yoke
the triple hit is the real murderer for sylv over wailing
unless youre like 30% for wailing youre goodf
woven bear
okay. When I come back from wailing and get the heartseekers in my face thats where it hurts most
cold zealot
Yes heartseeker is big ouch If unmitigated but still surviveable with liek 25% at 236ilvl. At least ist was Like that for me today.
cold zealot
okay. When I come back from wailing and get the heartseekers in my face thats wh...
Doesnt your 2nd Tank taunt or are you solotanking?
woven bear
we change after every wailing
ocean yoke
are you taking both in p3?
woven bear
we don't come to p3 π
ocean yoke
ooh so p1 then?
cold zealot
Hmm almost. Dont have Timer memorized but the big swapper should bei heartseeker. Watch your timers, Sometimes taunt can bei delayed.
And wailing only in p3
ocean yoke
yeah for p1 definitely watch heartseeker over the wailing arrow
she hardly moves during p1 so it shouldnt be much of a problem
woven bear
okay. I'm just wondering why dbm want's the taunt on wailing then
cold zealot
As an example, start will ne:
Pull
Heartseeker
Wait dir wail to target
Swap
And after that you Swap when the active Tank would get 2 hearrseekers in a row.
IT ist heartseeker Info wail the active Tank Takes both.
Thus was you geht pretty Clean Swaps.
Fuck dbm or bigwigs calls. Learn whats Important amd Makes semse
woven bear
okay i'll try that next time as you said
was our first tries on sylc hc so it's still learning π
thanks for your input
do you get similar dtps as I in p1 (logs above)
that's the only fight where I take more dmg than our monk, usually i'm way below him
ocean yoke
yeah ive had basically one full night on it so far until later tonight and p1 definitely felt weird timings wise for me
cold zealot
Sadly i cant Post you logs where or is executes that was. Only Killer her 9n solotanking pulls
Youll geht the hang of the timers after a des pulls. Just Focus on when you can taunt after heartseeker + wail and also when ahe will use heartseeker Back to Back.
ocean yoke
our p1 pull wipes werent far off yours though from what i can tell, once you get used to p1 you move on quick
cold zealot
And Then dps and heals Stadt dying to arrows or rive and you Reset over and over again....
ocean yoke
ok we had one p1 wipe pull there we are pretty similar damage taken wise
youll be good just need more reps on the fight for everyone
remember if theres a wipe its usually the other 18 people fault
woven bear
@ocean yoke yeah but I can't change the others, so I look what I can change, and I feel like I'm getting raped by shadow damage π
that's why i'm asking
thatnks a lot for your input
ocean yoke
yeah totally
cold zealot
If you really struggle Fall for externals.
ocean yoke
its easily the toughest fight for us and the most tank centric really
cold zealot
Call
ocean yoke
cant block dots sadly
woven bear
yeah if I call for externals I don't get them usually, so I try to avoid it
cold zealot
If you are taking heavy damage the solutions Always Go. CDs...externals...Pump ip
cold zealot
yeah if I call for externals I don't get them usually, so I try to avoid it
If it is a guild Run, start teaching Thema...
Make clear falls, ex: hpally sac on examino
Or even better their Name. Call 3s early, so they have time to react.
woven bear
@cold zealot yeah, been there done that π no chance π
cold zealot
Whts the Point in raiding premade Then If you cant communicate together honestly....
woven bear
yeah different people have different skill levels π
cold zealot
If you want to success as a guild this ist crucial and can smooth Out so many issued.
ocean yoke
if you need one try to figure out a specific spot to ask for it each fight too
so they dont use it on their own intiative if you need it
nimble laurel
Legs give more stats
cinder roost
@woven bear I would make the monk take all the wailing, can give you my rota for P1 and P3 if you want
woven bear
@cinder roost yeah i'm open to new strategies π
pale hawk
hey lads im trash at making my own decisions. 220 with haste vers or 236 crit haste. thanks in advance β€οΈ
lofty widget
ilvl beats everything if it's an armor piece
plush tendon
@jagged pier are you proud of me
lavish oracle
ouch, that balance damage
amber herald
what was mr moonkin upto for that key
plush tendon
I think he was being carried by the dK
uneven river
So what's people's thoughts on the new shard balancing moving forward assuming blood still the way to go if you actually get the rev from wb what's second choice ?
cinder roost
@woven bear Still around?
tame sleet
can we heroic leap painsmiths spiked balls?
pearl pasture
can we heroic leap painsmiths spiked balls?
nope
tame sleet
ty
pine slate
trying to decide between nf and kyrian for prot/arms
zenith vigil
read the guide
sick sentinel
For heroic guardian, you taunt before the second obliterate right? I've got people telling me to wait until the cast bar shows up
that seems wrong
we've only had a couple pulls last raid night and it seemed inconsistent?
fierce relic
i taunt during the cast on the other tank
sick sentinel
taunt during the first cast?
fierce relic
yup. tank gets hit, my group soaks, then i move out
first tank gets hit with sunder, obliterate is casted during which i taunt
sick sentinel
ok, maybe i was just late on the taunt then
i swear i got the taunt off before 2nd oblit but other tank still took two
fossil valley
how does SR interact with Ritual of Woe cast? just reflects 1 tick of dmg I assume? or can it stop the beam if used before cast ?
the halls last boss channel on statues
cinder nova
yup. tank gets hit, my group soaks, then i move out
Just be a chad and solo it
next burrow
anyone tried how much blood link actually heals fer?
real thunder
Stupid question, are there portals in santum that help you not have to run so far to get back to bosses? Like mirrors in Castle Nathria?
cinder nova
anyone tried how much blood link actually heals fer?
Check any of the thousands of logs of prot warrior.
It varies based on the tier their set is, but you can check the healing in an encounter.
next burrow
man i feel so dumb to ask this but i dont get the wording for the set bonus for blood
i have helm, chest, gloves
Helm has unholy 3 bonus written
chest has blood 3 bonus written
glove has just dom sockets
so when i slot 3 blood nothing happens?
mossy peak
if you have the chest, then you have the 3 set, but are you currently in the maw or a maw area
it will only activate in those places
next burrow
omg....
mossy peak
same thing as set bonuses, they say
next burrow
i have been socketing and unsocketing but no clue that i wasnt in maw or sod
dear lord.
mossy peak
the gems themselves apply everywhere
so you can do whatever you want and pick your favorite gems
bathe in that .44% damage buff
feel its weight
sturdy sable
.44 stacking*
pine cypress
The upcoming tunings to the shards change what we should go for at all or still blood all the way?
ocean yoke
reprisal is a drug im never gonna be able to quit
good lord i feel so slow without it
delicate iron
can we heroic leap painsmiths spiked balls?
Quite late response but you can actually leap over spiked balls unless something changed recently
You can also leap over the spikes but you probably know that
jagged pier
<@!179993058186625025> are you proud of me
LETS GOOOOOOOOO
wide pilot
Anyone else seem to play a little sloppy in 15s with shield block usage? Seems like when I do 15s or lower my uptime is significantly lower than say when I do a 17
mossy peak
just charge n intervene more
unless you're using seismic in 15s and reprisal in 17s
in which case theres your answer
hollow sun
you probably focus less on playing optimally
is it possible to filter warcraft logs to be only from season 2?
urban portal
Wclogs should be season 2 only
hollow sun
every high key i look at is prideful
urban portal
hollow sun
nvm, that happened to me some days ago. Now i can't find pridefuls anymorre
urban portal
There's a filter
bronze forge
can anyone recommend a noob tank friendly plater xD
fringe marten
Adam, there's a pretty popular preset that I think is recommended along with the addon itself; I think most people use that as the 'baseline'
blazing condor
Alternatively you can get the ThreatPlates addon but maybe you want plater specifically
That addon does everything automatically p much
fringe marten
But yeah I went in raw and tweaked the begeezus out of it until I liked it; I would honestly recommend doing the same. Although it takes some time, and a little testing..reading each of the options while you set them up has you kind of considering real world settings and how you'd want to see it for yourself. Rather than slapping in a preset and 'going'
I haven't used threatplates in a very long time but I get the impression it's kind of a 'light' or easy version of plater similar to something like KUInameplates.
bronze forge
oh i didnt know that it was just to check for threat and etc
fringe marten
I used to use KUI, until I got plater.
You know how weak spined humans who play NOT prot warriors use things like...ElvUI ?
Plater is like our ElvUI almost.
It's dense AF, has a million options and is very granular...and is absolutely worth taking the time to tweak 'just' how you like it.
bronze forge
i'll give a few a go i used one beofre it took up half my screen in bars i didnt really like that too much
fringe marten
(all kidding aside plater does a LOT more than just have a nice threat indicator for hp bars; but it looks a little intimidating at first..but all the options are self explanatory and have real time adjustments so you can just look at mobs HP bars/players/etc and tweak until done..without reloading ui or relogging)
If you want lighter ui elements, but a lot of control over what you see...combine Shadowed Unit frames with Plater.
Other tank 'ui' tools I'd recommend would of course be the obligatory Weak auras, but also OPie, and OmniCD
bronze forge
ill have a good look now
fringe marten
OPie is almost explicity for world markers; but especially raiding you may need those..or in pug raids. You can also assign potions and stuff to it which is what I also do.
hollow sun
If i had to choose only one addon to play with, i would pick plater over weak auras
a good profile is this one
tweak it in the way you like, and disable the color scripts
tidal holly
guys
I got question about Piercing lense on boss Eye of the jailer
it is psychical dmg
but can we reflect it?
sweet summit
the add cast yes
sweet summit
only the abductor
tidal holly
so on adds the best way is just spamming ignore pain +spell reflect?
sweet summit
ignore pain/demo shout/spell reflect/shield wall/externals are the only mitigation you have on those adds
tidal holly
ok
sweet summit
but you should not just spam ignore pain
tidal holly
thanks bro
flint needle
im new to tank warrior, what soulbinds we go as kyrian ?
sweet summit
mikanikos soon β’οΈ
can go with pelagos until you get renown 57 to unlock the capstone trait of mikanikos
flint needle
okey, are there any important conduits i need to get ? or do i just use what i feel ?
ionic fern
okey, are there any important conduits i need to get ? or do i just use what i f...
The only Conduits you care about are..
Potency:
Piercing Verdict / Destructive Reverberation / Veterans Repute
Adaptive Armor Fragment - Slightly
Show of Force - Slightly
Endurance:
Stalwart Guardian
Unnerving Focus
Condensed Anima Sphere
Finesse:
Inspiring Presence
Safeguard
sweet summit
<@&257983573498265600>
sweet summit
toxic
ionic fern
$pb 461366924195004417
true pawnBOT
Done.
sweet summit
10q
blazing condor
I ran mikanikos in raid yesterday but imma have to swap from the auto-phial cus it pisses me off lol
obsidian rune
can Δ± run with elysian might as tank for more damage output ?
rotund thicket
how are you guys suviving HoA this week in higher keys? I think i get a PTSD from those bolts
ionic fern
can Δ± run with elysian might as tank for more damage output ?
Reprisal when played correctly will most likely deal more damage. π
ionic fern
how are you guys suviving HoA this week in higher keys? I think i get a PTSD fro...
Interrupts. π
Surviving magic damage comes down to your DPS'ers being semi-competent and having Interrupt on their bars.
You can't survive that on your own - you might for a pack or two after rotating ALL of your CD's or kiting but after that's done you're still getting slapped.
jagged pier
can Δ± run with elysian might as tank for more damage output ?
its less damage output
rotund thicket
You can't survive that on your own - you might for a pack or two after rotating ...
thats my problem, after all my cds rotate out i just got oneshoted by two 45k bolts
ionic fern
And again..interrupts.
You have to cordinate them on higher key levels or preferably call them out on voice.
DPS players are usually like tiny children, you have to babysit them and pretty much micromanage their interrupts/CC.
There are exceptions obviously but it's rare to find one when pugging.
blazing condor
Just make sure to press Spell Reflect if your DPS arenβt interrupting - as soon as they see itβs up they will for sure interrupt
trim basin
hi guys, im new to tanking as warri and my main problem is aggro, i feel like i cant hold aggro at all?
i played other tanks and never had any problems tbh
i feel like im missing a button when im playing the devastator talent
ionic fern
First priority is survival so use your rage on SB. After that's done the majority of your rage should go into Revenges. ignore pain should be used as a rage dump to avoid over capping. You can obviously use IP at other times as we but this is a decision you have to do on the go.
For a better perspective..Revenge should be the majority of your damage in m+ (25%+ of your overall)
brazen timber
If you have the legendary that gives you SB when you charge in - then your first rage dump should be on revenge not on SB - you'll have plenty of time to get enough rage to cast a proper SB before the legendary-given one runs out
thats something i took too long to figure out
mellow bridge
Or you just do both because charging with reprisal gives you a revenge proc anyway?
brazen timber
oh yeah duh
blazing condor
You should also pre-cast ravager into packs so it starts ticking as you charge in
Then with the charge if you got reprisal you get the SB and revenge proc
trim basin
ye, im doing that already
the problem was i was doing so little damage i could not hold aggro
prolly because i was just using revenge if it procs
never without xD
blazing condor
Yeah
Probably that
Dont neglect shield slam and thunder clap though cus you need that rage
But if you do all that it should be totally fine
trim basin
am i using the normal M+ build even if im low geared? im just 208 right now
blazing condor
you can always AOE taunt or use Heroic Leap to reset taunt cooldown if specific mobs start slipping
208 is fine but depends on the levels you do
If you do 15s then people will probably out-damage
sweet summit
use Challenging Shout
jagged pier
legs
bold linden
Legst
lean moth
I typically ravager, charge, TC, avatar, SS, revenge and then just use reprisal leggo to proc revenge while maintaining SB
ionic fern
haste vers right ?=
Yes.
lean moth
yes, hast to 39-40% per the experienced people on here
vers less important until higher keys
i guess
small beacon
hello fellas
i have never played any warrior spec
I dont know if any of y'all ever tried prot pally
but in prot pally's rotation depending on your haste there are times that 0 skills are available to press since everything is on cooldown which feels awkward and is not fun
Does that occur with prot warr by any chance?
brazen timber
never
amber herald
it can happen for a second or so
I think most tanks are like that
and energy classes
ionic fern
You can almost always press something..but the question is wether that's the smartest decision.
E.g you got 30 Rage so you can use it on Revenge..OR you can save it for SB (if it's about to run out in a few seconds for example).
amber herald
revenge to proc shield slam to use shield block
small beacon
I think most tanks are like that
well not for Vengeance, if you rotate your throw glaives/Fractures/Soul cleaves nicely theres always sth to press even with shit Haste
but im still confused
some of y'all say it never happens some of y'all say it never happens o_O
lean moth
@ionic fern, are you the same mwahi on the recent state of prot warrior video?
jagged pier
he is
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576>, are you the same mwahi on the recent state of prot warrio...
No, that guy's a weirdo.
lean moth
lol
jagged pier
π€
amber herald
it happens to me is all I can say
amber herald
but I don't find it to be bad
small beacon
thanks a lot you guys <3
ionic fern
but im still confused
some of y'all say it never happens some of y'all say it ne...
We are a fast phased spec but there are times when there's nothing to press due to various situations unless you wanna walk out and spam Heroic Throw.
But these times are very seldom so usually you are pressing something. π
rotund thicket
We are a fast phased spec but there are times when there's nothing to press due ...
walk out -> charge ->
small beacon
fast pased spec souds fun
and i heard Prot warr's also love haste
the more reasons for me to try it
lean moth
Is it work just spamming the first 2 charges of SB for when you know you are going to be face tanking just to get charges on cool down and extending the immediate duration, then fill in the gaps with reprisal procs?
lean moth
Example, charge in (4 secs), do initial threat combo and then use 2 charges of SB, then as that runs out intervene and essentially repeat?
lean moth
if that makes sense
jagged pier
well yer but like the itervene will get u to the next shield block
amber herald
charge itself does damage?
obtuse monolith
Prot has high cpm because you can pretty much always be pressing something, and the more haste the better.
You end up w gcds where you look for the chance to leap out and charge in, or intervene and charge back, just so you never stop
jagged pier
lean moth
well yer but like the itervene will get u to the next shield block
right
ionic fern
Prot Warrior has high CPM cause we can spam Devastate.
mossy peak
you can
amber herald
I don't play with damage numbers on 
mossy peak
the trick to cpm is just
macro off gcd things like revive pets and some toys
into your abilities
obtuse monolith
Eww devastate. I was so glad once I tried devastator
mossy peak
these do show up on logs
ionic fern
macro off gcd things like revive pets and some toys
This guy gets it.
Gotta get that 99 parse on CPM.
lean moth
lol
jagged pier
fucking sense and squeak on all his logs
mossy peak
i got a r1 as arms, and i do genuinely have a cast of revive pets in that log
jagged pier
at like 90 CPM
mossy peak
the secret techs are real
velvet acorn
anyone know what stats are prio for prot tanks?
haste vers right?>
gonna make reprisal pants
sweet summit
ilvl>haste>vers generally yea
north rampart
Would i be a fool to make my first 262 siesmic reverb?
That double revenge is so satisfying
mossy peak
if your primary focus above all else is damage
then having more stats on that does equate to more damage
tropic linden
Hey, is ZenTracker better than OmniCD? Always used omni, but noticed that omni don't work with VuhDo on more than 5 person
sweet summit
i prefer OmniCD for dungeons and ERT for raid content
ivory elbow
What are those addons i have both but no idea
blazing condor
I assume blood will be our go to still seeing as its getting buffed for dom sockets?
tropic linden
What are those addons i have both but no idea
OmniCD is to track CDs of ur party
U can choose which one
sweet summit
I assume blood will be our go to still seeing as its getting buffed for dom sock...
ya blood set still owns the hardest
tropic linden
Good to track the offensive spells to know if u can big pull
ivory elbow
Hmm π§ pog
I use zen i belive for tracking kicks also and spell relf
I made some tweaks to it so it would work with inafable truth thingy in bfa
blazing condor
ya blood set still owns the hardest
ivory elbow
The name sounded familiar π
tropic linden
Yeah, it's the same thing
dim token
When does the nine cast the shield? It doesnβt seem to be on the bigwigs timer until he actually cast it
tropic linden
Just whatched a video from Max and he uses Zen to track defensives on the raid profile
pretty good as healer
tropic linden
When does the nine cast the shield? It doesnβt seem to be on the bigwigs timer u...
the big dome?
it's random. He cast one of 6 skills on time, but which one is random
dim token
the big dome?
oh thats why
indigo pagoda
how do I get rid of rage when I'm capped, with a shield slam proc, shield block already up, 2xIP and not tanking? dump it into IP in favour of shield slam as quickly as possible or spam revenge?
sweet summit
press ignore pain
ionic fern
It's off the GCD and "overcapping IP" is not something you should actively worry about.
indigo pagoda
how should i handle non-blockable tank abilities such as deathlink and pierce soul? just IP? call of externals?
haughty sleet
I think with two ips deathlink only hits for like 11k
indigo pagoda
pierce soul average hit the other night was 31k with IP up (dunno how to check how much IP was up tho)
ionic fern
how should i handle non-blockable tank abilities such as deathlink and pierce so...
IP / DS / SW / LS / SR / Externals as needed.
indigo pagoda
so on those bosses I use DS as a defensive rather than just popping it on cd? I thought both those abilities weren't reflectable? they're both physical
haughty sleet
Wall is strong on eye
indigo pagoda
yeah I only managed to craft one legendary so far (was in a rush to get the warrior up to speed for my guild)
playing reprisal
should be able to craft wall this week tho
how do I find good defensive and offensive players on wcl? high damage parsers seem to just be geared with a great healing team, while high heal parses are just IP spam
ionic fern
so on those bosses I use DS as a defensive rather than just popping it on cd? I ...
For Physical abilities use all the others except for SR.
DS with BV ideally would be used as often as possible but if you're struggling to survive certain things you use it when needed for the defensive value instead.
haughty sleet
Being good offensively is kinda tied to having good healers
ionic fern
how do I find good defensive and offensive players on wcl? high damage parsers s...
Are you having issues with something specific or are you just trying to understand how the class works?
indigo pagoda
mainly wanting to understand the class, but i had two raid nights so far and the issues i had was dying to sylvanas p3 while soaking puddles, taking a lot of damage to pierce soul on the nine and doing low dps (this is mainly because i would ragedump into revenge in order not to overcap ip while having shield slam up and casting thunder clap all too little)
I posted my logs in log review if you have some time to take a look
haughty sleet
Looking over it, Iβm assuming you are missing the third unholy shard?
indigo pagoda
yep
haughty sleet
Unfortunate
indigo pagoda
could I DM you?
have some more questions, not sure if I should keep spamming here xD
haughty sleet
If you are talking to me sure
indigo pagoda
yep :D
ionic fern
I posted my logs in log review if you have some time to take a look
I'm at work currently so unfortunately can't right now.
indigo pagoda
np, appreciate the advice you've given already!
indigo pagoda
If you are talking to me sure
I've sent you a friend request, seems like I can't message you otherwise
shy coral
do you use last stand mainly for the heal or for the max hp increase?
jagged pier
i use it for damage
shy coral
is it better to use it on a pull to increase your max hp vs using it when you're low to heal? how do you use it for damage?
ionic fern
is it better to use it on a pull to increase your max hp vs using it when you're...
Unnerving Focus.
jagged pier
^^
jagged pier
your health should ideally never be low
inland raft
kinda want to swap kyrian but idk about losing aa utility in m+ has saved so many runs that had bad kicks
ionic fern
1)Before a big hit that you know is going to slap you hard
2)As a panic heal after a f*ck up
ionic fern
kinda want to swap kyrian but idk about losing aa utility in m+ has saved so man...
I went back to Kyrian.
shy coral
how do you know as a tank if you should heal yourself vs letting the healer do it? I think I waste a lot of cooldowns panicking about my health when my healer could have easily fixed it
ionic fern
In a pug?
You don't know.
IN a raid? Ideally you would know the spikes of the fight and consistency of your healers.
ALso - our CD's are ment to be used BEFORE we take the damage to mitigate it not after we have already taken it.
The only exception is LS (without Bolster).
plush tendon
kinda want to swap kyrian but idk about losing aa utility in m+ has saved so man...
I went back Kyrian for the weekend. Its meh, going back NF on Tuesday reset
Miss my lion Soulshape and my 12 second knockdown
inland raft
Ya its what im scared of, nf has been sole reason for many keys being timed with bad kicks
modern brook
outside of conduits how do you use it?
You should always be running unnerving focus
Oh wait bvm ur the guy leveling tanks
Just hammer that shit on cd
You don't gain more value for using it as a heal vs using it before you take any damage, as long as you're getting hit it'll find value
ionic fern
Oh wait bvm ur the guy leveling tanks
?Context
modern brook
?Context
Spiffo's been in here for a couple of days asking for advice on tanking etc at ~ lvl 25?
so i corrected my advice, becasue saying "hey idiot run unnerving focus" to a guy playing a 30 something prot warrior isnt helpful
fickle prawn
Anyone had much success with the Guardian of the First Ones trinket 'Reactive Defense Matrix'? It seems like it could be solid for M+ if it has a high enough proc rate.
frosty holly
Just started tanking a bit again in M+ Any changes i should make to conduits?
ornate flicker
Go korayn and have some fun
modern brook
Just started tanking a bit again in M+ Any changes i should make to conduits?
both endurances are wrong
as i say:
frosty holly
Thanks!
sweet summit
korayn π
modern brook
Also yeah korayn for m+ cause first strike
modern brook
Anyone had much success with the Guardian of the First Ones trinket 'Reactive De...
its fine. there are better trinkets
frosty holly
I'm mainly Arms so using Dreamweaver for Raid and Kor for M+. That left Niya for Prot
modern brook
I wouldnt be surprised if niyais better for arms in m+ than kor is tbh
frosty holly
I got annoyed that when i don't tank, the tanks move out of Niyas burrs
modern brook
My entire reasoning is the mastery steroids
esp with the capstone
disclaimer: all feels listen to #arms not me
and also erga is a hackerman; just do that
frosty holly
Thanks for all the info π
grizzled forge
think 57 mikanikos spear gonna take over NF in damage in a key?
modern brook
pretty sure they basically even
modern brook
even now
and even after mika last trait
the omega secret of prot
is that no decision you've made has ever made the difference
modern brook
Because NF also gets things
plush tendon
you need it to hit 5 targets for the 40 seconds
modern brook
more generally; most boss fights
in general spear suffers from not trucking as hard as NF w/o the legendary
so yeah you get more casts
but its competeing with First strike AA
which already puts the bar pretty high
grizzled forge
most dont run first strike they run pod or grove
modern brook
who the fuck is running pod
inland raft
Arms runs niya or dreamweaver, prot runs korayn
First strike pumps and makes aggro simpler even on most aggressive of dps
jagged pier
also in raid it seems that kyrian isnt that far off in terms of damage even running reprisal compared to natures fury nightfae, its still behind but by like ~200dps in key u wont be running that
so boss damage is kind of the same
lucid pasture
holy fuck aegis is broken @jagged pier thank you for telling me to use it
modern brook
the only reason i can think of to run dreamweaver as prot is you're using korayn and niya for a dps spec
I've never played prot warrior and thought "dang i really wish i had a cheat death with a 10s delay that drops combat for my team if im the last alive
i mean i guess dw is a tier above the rest rn?
was enough to run in in CN prog
jagged pier
holy fuck aegis is broken <@!179993058186625025> thank you for telling me to use...
told u
grizzled forge
ya if you use it well itll do alot in overall in a key
plush tendon
Also, does the mastery granted by Niya or Pelagos get applied before or after the damage from the Cov ability?
modern brook
at the same time
lucid pasture
holy fuck tho that trinket literally made my genitalia grow at least like 5 meters
distant crystal
matters for some other classes tho
sweet summit
holy fuck tho that trinket literally made my genitalia grow at least like 5 mete...
show proof
or
π
blazing condor
π³
ancient monolith
Is Aegis > Hakkar trinket?
strong forum
Yes
jagged pier
yes
ancient monolith
regardless if it's Tyr or Fort?
jagged pier
both
lucid pasture
<:Detective:814893739494473750>
im very sucky guy right, so i tanked dos and didnt die a single time bro
ancient monolith
interesting
lucid pasture
also kinda not bad dmg for a defensive trinket ngl
distant crystal
go figure
lucid pasture
goddamn
jagged pier
thats the damage it actually does
just shows up as the trinket on logs
its not great
but to reduce that much damage i think the trade off is worth it tbh
distant crystal
guildy swore up and down that shard was better than aegis in all situations
now he begs me to run guardian loot spec to roll for an aegis kek
jagged pier
DR > absorb
ancient monolith
I have 252 scale so I figure that is better than hc version of aegis
jagged pier
nope
ancient monolith
I don't have any aegis btw
jagged pier
lfr aegis can be more damage reduction than 252 shard
ancient monolith
lfr aegis can be more damage reduction than 252 shard
for real??
distant crystal
if you give it enough targets
jagged pier
for real??
well as the lfr one stops 4k from every attack for 8 seconds yes
jagged pier
for a broken tank trinket
i mean i only have the normal version i think the mythic one does like 2k more damage per target hit or whatever
π€·
plush tendon
The only advantage of BSS is that its damage is instant; so if you are a blood dk struggling for aggro...
distant crystal
i wonder if aegis is extra busted for brews
since it counts as healing
i still need to check my theory that blood set dps scales with celestial
obtuse monolith
so on those bosses I use DS as a defensive rather than just popping it on cd? I ...
So interesting thing with Deathlink when I dug into my logs is that reducing the damage you take reduces the DoT that ticks on the rest of your group after. You can save a lot of raid damage by lining up DS, SW, IP and any other absorbs you have for it.
Iβm going to ask to take the first cast so I have them all up and it gets shield wall on CD right away
indigo pagoda
we swap on every Deathlink so our raid doesn't take any damage, but good to know if anything were to go wrong, thanks!
lucid pasture
So interesting thing with Deathlink when I dug into my logs is that reducing the...
my other tank said ip doesnt count for it since it was an absorb
and i never believed him
guess i was right...
plucky ember
For M Eye, I take 1st with SW and IP, for 3rd Deathlink I do Last Stand, Spell Reflect, Demoralizing, IP. Healers were much happier than when it was my co-tank BDK's turn to take Deathlink for 2 and 4.
modern brook
isnt death link phyiscal?
plush tendon
it is
modern brook
dusky canopy
Ya its what im scared of, nf has been sole reason for many keys being timed with...
For what it's worth, I swapped kyrian and it lasted two weeks. NF just feels so much better to me in keys
plush tendon
The ability to lockdown a pack with AA cannot be understated
nimble laurel
Switched from Kyrian 2 weeks ago after being very worried about losing spear, and now I don't want to go back.
Soul shape cannot be understated
plush tendon
Im Kyrian right now, its just 'meh'
Strong, effective, and Phial is great, but NF was just a lot more satisfying for me
If it were last tier and you needed a Kyrian for your M+ group, I would stay, but we dont need to be Kyrian anymore with rise of Arcane, Kyiran hunters, and WW
nimble laurel
The biggest thing I struggle with right now is constantly switching conduits for arms and prot. I'm also out of the conduit coin things.
plush tendon
do you arms in raid and prot in keys?
nimble laurel
Arms in raid and both in keys
plush tendon
Dreamweaver isnt a bad option for arms TBH
nimble laurel
Maybe for ST? Can't turn down korayn for m+
ionic fern
The biggest thing I struggle with right now is constantly switching conduits for...
IIRC one of the Prot/Arms SF is doing this..so no real swaps needed.
plush tendon
Potential solution; set Niya for Prot in M+, Korayn Arms M+, dreamweaver Arms Raid
or what Mwahi suggested
hes so smart
nimble laurel
IIRC one of the Prot/Arms SF is doing this..so no real swaps needed.
Thanks. That could work. But not having 3 charges of soulshape feels bad in dungeons like DoS.
foggy meadow
I don't know, if I get something fundamentally wrong, but... Do I read the ressources linked under #268491842637660160 correct and is shield block without effect when tanking the eye of the jailor in sod? (i mean, when not tanking the add)
dusky canopy
It's super satisfying for me to charge into a pack spend a second or two grouping up the pack and then slapping them for like 15% of there HP with AA
sweet summit
the only reason to use SB when on the eye and not taking the abductor is for SS damage
foggy meadow
That's what i assumed, when i read it, but I couldn't really believe it. Okay... Thanks... Feels a little bit disappointing.
nimble laurel
is SB + SS > Revenge for single target damage when you aren't taking physical damage?
karmic plinth
if you get 2 shield slams in the shield block charge it beats revenge for rage to damage
nimble laurel
Good to know. I was just thinking about this recently with Coldheart in m+ since there is hardly any tank damage.
tropic linden
For M Eye, I take 1st with SW and IP, for 3rd Deathlink I do Last Stand, Spell R...
wait, last stand don't give absorb or dmg reduction, only life. Shouldn't it not work to mitigate the raid dmg?
errant timber
Greetings, I have a question for Kyrian pals, is mikanikos that much worth over pelagos offensively, specially from next week, on raids?
blazing condor
Greetings, I have a question for Kyrian pals, is mikanikos that much worth over ...
I mean its higher dps if thats what youre asking. So yes its worth offensively
You can definitely still play pelagos if you prefer. But mikanikos will be higher dam
chilly brook
Sim yourself for raid
It's entirely possible that mikanikos isn't a dps upgrade in single target
Certainly isn't for arms
plucky ember
wait, last stand don't give absorb or dmg reduction, only life. Shouldn't it not...
That's me not understanding Ignore Pain scaling and thinking that I could get a chonkier Ignore Pain cap if my max HP was higher. Tomorrow, I'll just save Last Stand for when I'm deep into Ire stacks to stay alive.
tropic linden
I think u can cast the shout for every deathlink, right?
cinder nova
I think u can cast the shout for every deathlink, right?
Yeah.
placid oar
Hi guys, can I ask if sticking to Pelagos is the better choice for tanks or actually better to swap soulbinds once we hit renown 57 for Kyrian?
Am trying to understand the thought process and whys.
outer solstice
my other tank said ip doesnt count for it since it was an absorb
IP is a capped damage reduction first, it's not a real absorb
lucid pasture
IP is a capped damage reduction first, it's not a real absorb
Youre not a real absorb but doma is
lucid pasture
That's me not understanding Ignore Pain scaling and thinking that I could get a ...
I save Last stand for the add phase, makes intermission 10x easier
Aswell as trying to maximize reprisal
Using shield Block as a damage enhancer pog plus its good rage n shit
And the and from chains can get tanked a bit easier with shieldblock up
plucky ember
Ive been going Wall on M Eye to squeeze an extra SW at the beginning of each add phase and then have it up for Deathlink after.
outer solstice
btw anyone knows if the spare meat hook sims correct?
or is there some problem with it?
strong forum
The only advantage of BSS is that its damage is instant; so if you are a blood d...
If you think 5k dmg is good aggro then idk chief...
plush tendon
better then anything else...
strong forum
If you use scale for dmg then π πͺ
plush tendon
Its specifically for BDK
next burrow
guys i dont get the timings for slyvanas H, you taunt after she jumps up to shoot the other tank 3 times right? i still feel her shots hurt when shes targeting me even with SB up..