if my calculations are correct we should be able to pump out 84K dmg with shard on the plaguefall slime pack
#protection
strong forum
sounds about right
distant crystal
big dam!
modern brook
Damn look out we got a nerd over here
shy coral
jesus you were so right about guardian druid
level 10 and I can easily pull 10+ mobs and not even drop below 90% health
on my warrior at 10 I'd be dead
amber herald
boo guardian druid boo
dark lark
jesus you were so right about guardian druid
The biggest problem is that you're playing Guardian Druid
shy coral
I wanted an easy tank to try
dark lark
I love having Blood DK as my main alt for the contrast in mitigation styles
stoic igloo
Is there an updated suggestion list for anima powers in keys
zenith vigil
Pretty sure it's in the guides dawg
solar hornet
are a lot of people going to switch to Mikanikos next week? or is it better to stay pelagos?
jagged pier
mik
chrome falcon
fortified dos makes me want to wear scale and aegis
that dungeon is so toxic this week
strong forum
not wrong
ionic plank
is necrolord banner still bugged with who it selects?
i dont play necrolord, but a friend does and I saw something about it, wondered if it was still an issue
obtuse monolith
I haven’t done it but I shudder thinking of the Hakkar hallway w quaking, fort, bolstering…
sweet summit
is necrolord banner still bugged with who it selects?
it is not
haughty sleet
Hakkar hallway is the ez part
chrome falcon
@ionic plank it's fixed
yeah hakkar hallway is actually the easier part of the whole run
the pack outside hakkar?
mmmm nope can we just shroud that? thanks
also the double warlord pack outside mechagon is rough if your dps just mindlessly blow up the raptors and if people single target too hard in ardenweald you end up with 20 bolstered birds slicing you
polar radish
is a gem worth 7 ilvls?
short kiln
a dommy gem? likely, yeah
polar radish
normal gem
polar radish
ok thx, new helm better stats too
short kiln
7 ilvl gonna get you like, 4-7 main stats right?
sweet summit
7 on helm is not worth
polar radish
sweet summit
^
polar radish
hasty crow
Bek or Dyz shard for M+ Tanking?
hasty crow
Bek is 1.5% when you have 50% or more health than your target
blazing condor
Dyz nuts lol
hasty crow
Dyz is .25% increase on any target for 4 seconds stacking 3 times
strong forum
is necrolord banner still bugged with who it selects?
has been fixed literally before mythic week
ocean yoke
sacred timber
If I can prot a +12 without any problems, yall think I can prot a +15?
obtuse monolith
Woohoo! Maybe world boss will drop my final blood shard on Tuesday
nimble laurel
what makes Niya stronger than Korayn for m+?
pearl pasture
what makes Niya stronger than Korayn for m+?
It gives you raw Mastery and Max HP
nimble laurel
that is my experience as well
woven bear
Which tanks do the most damage in raids at bosses atm?
woven bear
Okay. Where are we?
sturdy sable
Fighting with dks for last iirc
wide pilot
Sadge
woven bear
Lol ok, I just know that I do way more dps than my Monk partner
sturdy sable
Welll you shouldnt be lol
woven bear
🤣
empty spindle
sweet summit
blood got buffed by 20%, frost got 45% + a bugfix 
obtuse monolith
I might actually start tanking Torghast when I get my set. Sounds like Godmode in Doom
fading dirge
got the flawless achievement on both floors this week as a 236 prot. Since time isnt really a huge scoring point, it was chill and fun
rotund parcel
get anything cool for all flawless 12's?
got big cbf's to go back to torghast :< did flawless clear the ghost wing though
sturdy sable
I think you get a mount
lavish oracle
I got rank 6 reprisal so as far as I'm concerned torghast no longer exists
rotund parcel
whats that over there in the distance? I can faintly make out the numbers 9.2 but I cant be sure. Oh look tier sets.
recraft x3
rotund parcel
if tier set comes with 9.2
sturdy sable
This dude ruined my whole plan lol
sweet summit
now my day is ruined...
rotund parcel
100% gunna be helm/shoulder/chest/glove/leg
lavish oracle
With all the shit happening at Blizz, I'd say another year long tier isn't that unlikely
rotund parcel
yeah we got a bit of time to hoard our currencies
can probably get the backup lego ready when the slot changes again
:P
median tulip
Personally I've got a few legendaries I want to get to Rank 6
Plus there's always the possibility that there will be a 9.1.5 that rebalances some of the lesser used legendaries
lavish oracle
If I play my DPS specs more later in the tier, maybe I'll get Elysian Might to 6
rotund parcel
9.3 we totally get anima powers perma and leaper will become bis with shattered ground
topkek
radiant anvil
9.3 is we nuke shadowlands
radiant anvil
and we end up on a different azeroth in a different universe
median tulip
Elysian Might right now with only Rank 4 and without Mikas capstone is already pretty fucking trucking
radiant anvil
just like loki
lavish oracle
9.3 is more old god shit, probs
rotund parcel
to be fair if we had of just sat in oribos the entire xpac. the jailer would still be dicking around doing nothing.
radiant anvil
blizzard trying to pull a marvel and do a multiverse
rotund parcel
yeah, but we think we are the good guys.
we arent
we keep fuckin the good guys over
we let nzoth out guys
come on
we put him back after but yeah, we still cooked it.
lavish oracle
Yo, if I spent all last expac having Gorak Tul yelling at me about the Blighted Lands and I don't get to fight him in shadowlands, I'm gonna be mad
rotund parcel
^ actual truth
sturdy sable
9.3 is gonna be us going back to Azeroth only to find out nzoth was alive all along
lavish oracle
There's still a bunch of unresolved ilgynoth whispers
sturdy sable
And that we are actually still in bfa
median tulip
9.3 is gonna be us going back to Azeroth only to find out nzoth was alive all al...
Nah. It's going to be a return to Argus.
radiant anvil
We wake up and find out we are still in vanilla
it was all cthun
we were dreaming
sturdy sable
9.3 will turn world of warcraft into a rts
rotund parcel
i thought about that actually, shadowlands is the logical endpoint of our characters journey.
now we go into newgame+
sturdy sable
And we gotta cull stratholme again
rotund parcel
the best thing we can do for azeroth
radiant anvil
either that or wow stays in 9.1 until the servers shutdown
rotund parcel
if log off
lavish oracle
Kill the Jailer
"So, you're finally awake..."
Skyrim music starts playing
We ESO now
rotund parcel
is dat a prediction of bethesda activision merger?
lavish oracle
You heard it here first, folks
rotund parcel
would probably be good for the industry if those two merged and tried to eat eachother.
rotund parcel
maybe we send a memo to EA
rotund parcel
nah nah the plan is great right, just merge the giant studios. watch them be unable to produce anything and everyone quits
then gabe n can finally get back to work
plush tendon
is there a macro for spear of bastion to launch at your current target
sweet summit
sorry sir, what you seek is not available
sweet summit
best i can do is @stoic erminesor or @heavy mirage
sweet summit
owned
primal dune
Yo what’s the theoretical block uptime with repraisal?
Assuming perfect play
Is it close to 100%?
zenith vigil
I'm pretty sure it's 100% under most normal circumstances
as in, assuming packs die at a reasonable time and you tank raid bosses for your appointed amount of time
sweet summit
if you literally play perfect and kite when its down you can get 100% blocked hits yea
but reasonable "uptime" is like 80%+ blocked hits
keen epoch
Hey guys. Is AM still the way when playing reprisal? Or HR has any value? M+ speaking
warped moth
AM still pretty strong even in M+
sweet summit
AM is the play
warped moth
Also I’m assuming we’re waiting on blizz’s final numbers tuning on shards before anyone’s deciding if frost set could be the play for us?
sweet summit
mikanikos next week pogging
keen epoch
And are bears that good compared to prot right now? Or we are in a good spot? Just going to start playing this patch on Monday 
m+ speaking
sweet summit
bears are literally the god tank of m+ rn
absurd how tanky and much damage they do with incarn
warrior is pretty good tho
zenith vigil
Yeah bears are the "meta" right now and probably will be for 9.1
but it seems warrior gon be aite
sweet summit
"right now" is 9.1 
sweet summit
fair
zenith vigil
Since big balance changes probably not even necessary
tanks pclose together other than druid
if anything druid will get nerf imo
mighty cairn
tanks seem p balanced right now for raid/m+
sweet summit
ya its solid rn
sweet summit
there was a bear back then :v)
warped moth
Maybe I’ll actually give guardian a whirl towards the end of the tier or sumn 🤔
median tulip
One of my guild rerolled from BDK to Guardian Druid for 9.1
zenith vigil
there was a bear back then :v)
Well that's because dorki is a beast :D
zenith vigil
in general
not in top io
in top io it becomes more about player skill
prot pally tho, wild
I know that guy, he's insane
chilly brook
In general
There's a pretty good spread of tanks
if you keep going through the pages
bear is really good at what they have a niche in
Which is big ass pulls
Honestly a really good spread
zenith vigil
paladin surprisingly common?
chilly brook
really good in this raid
zenith vigil
didn't expect that
chilly brook
so not super surprising
zenith vigil
why?
chilly brook
Domination sockets
wooden widget
haste/verse on reprisal?
zenith vigil
Yes.
wooden widget
❤️
zenith vigil
hey wait a sec
can you make a 230 helm now with engineering with the korthia profession-ilvl crafters mark?
sick sentinel
Tanks who cba to do Incinerator in NW before doing boss / pack, what's wrong with you
zenith vigil
thank you for joining discord to bring us this very important observation
sweet summit
jolly wasp
Any changes about shards with the new buffs? Im assuming blood will still be top but what about frost? any decent now?
chilly brook
The Bron Stonks
obtuse monolith
can you make a 230 helm now with engineering with the korthia profession-ilvl cr...
I think so but why? It’s a dom slot.
lavish oracle
paladin surprisingly common?
Paladin is a popular tank in general, also
it's good to see familiar names making their way back on to the leaderboard after the initial couple weeks of long raid hours and stuff
rotund parcel
oh god they are going to make us keep these shards
for another 1.5 years
I have no evidence but theres totally a chance they would
9.3.5 blood link healing 15khps
jagged pier
well no they are only active in the maw torghast or the new raid
so next teir they wont work in raid
rotund parcel
oh theres a line of dialogue in there that can rectify that
"your shards proximity to the jailer blah blah blah shards power overwhelming"
jagged pier
i mean they did try and nerf them i dont think they want to continue this system after the raid
rotund parcel
It is a bit troll if you arent blessed by rng.
like its a bit rough when your queueing into lfr to get your dom bonus piece
lucid steppe
Are there any recommendations for best horde prot warrior races? Running high mountain at the moment
blazing condor
The differences are miniscule so the bis race is playing what you enjoy
That said Vulpera is actually the best horde race
plush tendon
That said Vulpera is actually the best horde race
Yea, if you like being a rat
hollow sun
Real tanks play highmountain tauren, not some desert rats
jagged pier
lul imagine not being able to walk through doors
hollow sun
imagine having goofy animations and a gnome like feeling 
jagged pier
i didnt say i was vulpera 🤔
jagged pier
because they have good animations and fucking insane racial
i cant play them otherwise my healer wont queue pvp with me
🤷
blazing condor
Based
hollow sun
i wish nf was good for it, i miss arms pvp 
jagged pier
kyrian pvp is fucking amazing
blazing condor
But you can totally fuck people with tether
fringe marten
Feels good when: Mythic Eye kill, running to chains cleaving add along edge, raid leader "What th..who tethered the mob there?" ME! And I'm not ashamed of it EITHER!
Jakey I was gnome a long time ago; I love the animations, I liked escape artist..I HATE gnome xmog game (but it was STILL better than Vulperra xmog) but I hated the gnome 'sounds' same as I dislike vulp sounds, same high pitched yells.
zenith vigil
is there any cool "tech" the m+ tanks are using this season
what i mean by that is like last season was cardboard assassin and stuff like that
fringe marten
Just new routing, couple new trinket toys...and people getting more knowledgable with certain dungeon tool usage like Necro wake.. I like season 2 so far; the powers aren't so powerful your route HAS to revolve around them, but it's nice to accomodate them.
You talking about force of nature aza?
zenith vigil
oh
I mean stuff you yourself can do
independant of group comp
like those funky engi items
fringe marten
I just did a random pug Normal clear on SoD, and decided to science a 'single target' dps build that was using Overwhelming power crystal/Eylsian Might boots leggo...and I'm wondering how spicy it'll be next week for actual key usage instead of using seismic boots for lower blast keys.
Next week if we hit enough targets each time, Spear will pretty close to line up with demo shout every time.
Combined with elysian might leggo; and OPC it's kinda' gnarly burst window on prot.
sturdy trench
mossy peak
you can
we did it before reprisal
that's not to say reprisal isn't great, just that it's not literally necessary
jagged pier
I just did a random pug Normal clear on SoD, and decided to science a 'single ta...
why though it sims less than rep
urban portal
zealous spade
Hey guys, might be a very bad question and possibly already answered 100 times, but I was very unfortunate with dom sockets (I only have 3, excluding shoulders and helm), and I have 236 in those 2 slots. My question is, should I run LFR for those slots, is the 213 ilvl dom is still better than 236 m+ stuff, or not?
lavish oracle
I would guess the sims are probably using low crit gear?
Wonder how kleia with EM is for prot
lavish oracle
Yeah, obviously crit gains more value with EM so 0 crit gear is gonna be bad
jagged pier
The Bron Stonks
pump harder 
jagged pier
why would i want to be NF
when next week spear has a 40 sec cd
so we will do the same damage
🤷
jagged pier
ive been kyrian since launch
🤷
and as i literally only really care about raiding and its better for progress why wouldnt i be
jagged pier
blazing condor
Imagine being so bad at the game you need to use a covenant to stay relevant on the meters
zenith vigil
imagine ever picking a covenant
i wonder if there'd be a few chads doing that if you could
zenith vigil
humongous peen energy
blazing condor
enters key
no covenant
no lego
dies instantly
leaves without saying a word
zenith vigil
refuses to elaborate
primal cape
@jagged pier you playin with AM?
jagged pier
always
primal cape
gonna try it, id like to avoid HR
cyan shore
What are the best trinkets? Other than blood spattered and the raid one?
Is the alchemy stone worth it over phial?
cyan shore
That's assuming I'm not struggling to survive right?
cyan shore
I'm a DPS main dipping my toe in M+ tanking, and I suck, full disclaimer
jagged pier
then your playing incorrectly
cyan shore
100%
cyan shore
Nope, don't log M+ usually, but I definitely will next run then
But I reckon most of what I need will come with experience, when to kite and how to rotate my CDs
jagged pier
i mean u dont need to kite if u play correctly
cyan shore
Even if my DPS decide to bolster something into a raid boss? XD
cyan shore
Can you take a quick look at my gear? ^^ I Think I'm pretty well geared atm
and should definitely be able to tank 15s if I play properly
jagged pier
gear and trinkets arent going to be the problem
cyan shore
most likely
I didn't tank at all in 9.0, last time was 8.3 and it was stupid with the haste corruptions
I was immortal
torpid cliff
Some dungeon trash are hitting harder than others. Which are you struggling with?
If you have shield block up, you should be a tanky boi. A few trash packs are exceptions
cyan shore
The big guys in DoS around the circle hit me like a damn truck
And the first 2 pulls of those are fairly close to each other
tame jasper
hm Scale + Defense Matrix or Old-Warrior-Soul with Defense Matrix in M+ cant deside i would like to use all 3 😄
torpid cliff
Yeah those are ass, especially with bolstering. The big cast, shadowcore should always be interrupted
tame jasper
Dont have ageis
jagged pier
🤷
tame jasper
no drop or not in vault yet. next chance: sunday 😦
jagged pier
lfr aegis
is still busted
If u dont get that matrix and old warrior soul
I used to run scale for a bit then realised like just use a dps trinket instead 😆
cyan shore
I used to run scale for a bit then realised like just use a dps trinket instead ...
Do you stream by any chance?
tame jasper
but ill try OWS and RDM now
jagged pier
cyan shore
Sick, thanks
jagged pier
Thats a dos run from week one i think
cyan shore
yeah those affixes are week 1
jagged pier
I recorded some stuff today but havent had a chance to do anything with them yet
jagged pier
Yes
cyan shore
The ones listed in the wowhead guide?
jagged pier
I run double time and bounding but that doesnt really change anything
cyan shore
The synergy between double time and reprisal is nice I'm assuming
But if you're pugging, dont' you think storm bolt is useful?
primal cape
phial is pf one?
cyan shore
ye
primal cape
How many dps bring phial?
cyan shore
How many dps bring phial?
Huh?
cyan shore
I always run double time and i only pug really
Ok good to know, thanks for all the info man
jagged pier
How many dps bring phial?
Lots
jagged pier
Yer phial brings far more
primal cape
but looks terrible
just did PF, feeling without HR im sometimes for 3/4 sec without SB
jagged pier
I meam u can probably cover that gap, but its normal repirsal doesnt give 100%
sharp veldt
Does ignore pain and fleshcraft absorbs work pre-mitigation so for example 1k physical hit into IP absorb while shield wall+shield block is up = 500 shield removed and then you take like 200 dmg hit because of all the defensive cooldowns that are up?
I'll still get 4 sec shield block from reprisal but I want to know if I am wasting shield block charges if I have fleshcraft and maybe even pop blood-spattered scale absorb up.
strong forum
absorbs are after mitigation
devout robin
Hey guys are there any good video guides for prot warrior?
I've been multi ksm as fury for a while but I want to go into prot
inland raft
Plka streams prot a ton and i believe has some videos on his YouTube
ruby oar
what's the best way to use intervene in M+? focus macro on melee dps?
lone thorn
No best way, I personaly use a mouseover macro, but this or a focus macro can both work fine i guess.
On melee dps of course, unless you need to kite.
restive wigeon
dayuma
thats a bunch of runs
Had all dos trinkets in like 20ish runs
scale and opc seem to be the most rare
iqd drops every 2nd run
mossy peak
ive vendored a dozen opcs
high folio
Do you run the same talents in M+ all the time?
booming voice is an okay option too if you want a little more defensive throughput if your bad like me lmao. BSC is the highest damage overall
odd nimbus
hello everyone.i started playing prot warrior at start of sl,and i got help from you guys and plka alot,once again i wanted to ask for any tips or advices that you can shoot my way.
thanks in advance
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/magtheridon/oldnrusty#private=1
plain hornet
Hey guys, whats the best overall combination of trinkets for M+ and Raid?
strong forum
Probably aegis + matrix
strong forum
Is Matrix any good? 😮
Matrix owns
restive wigeon
Scale is still the best m+ trinket in the game
strong forum
no its not
plain hornet
restive wigeon
and youll see why
restive wigeon
236 scale absorbs 45k without hitting anything
strong forum
okay
so
thats around 80k absorb at max target count
which isnt bad, dont get me wrong
but you get alot more mileage out of aegis in m+
ultra turtle setup would potentially be aegis+scale
zenith vigil
haha
"im gonna argue against the guy that's pinned in the channel"
this is a good tack
🍿
near pewter
for people who cant get a mythic aegis probably a upgraded scale would be better?
im running matrix and aegis in M+ and its feeling pretty good
strong forum
quite likely
but ilvl does increase its value obv massively
LFR aegis is already 4k for on every hit
mythic is ~8k on every hit
youd need to get hit ~12-15 times per LFR aegis use to beat a 252 scale
which is fairly easily done in m+
plain hornet
So, that combination is the best for both dungeons and raid?
strong forum
any combination of aegis/scale/matrix/phial/old warriors soul is extremely good
for both raid and m+ depending on what you want
merry ocean
HC aegis absorbs only 21k why is it better than scale?
merry ocean
ah right
jagged pier
LFR aegis...even?
lfr aegis is 4k per hit
plain hornet
im currently using Scale 210 and Old soul 233, id get more tanky with aegis and matrix tho
sick sentinel
guys how do you kill the second pack in DoS if no one kicks the shadowcore?
jagged pier
u'd get more tanky with aegis for sure
strong forum
run
those packs are untankable outside of CDs, if nobody kicks shadowcore you can only reflect 1, kick the other, then run away once CDs run out and go as far as you can to outrange / LoS it
zenith vigil
guys how do you kill the second pack in DoS if no one kicks the shadowcore?
run with bettere players
sick sentinel
those packs are untankable outside of CDs, if nobody kicks shadowcore you can on...
gotcha! so just RUN
oki
xD
zenith vigil
or tell your group
"somebody fucking interrupt this please or i die and we wipe and disband and many angerys"
you can throw in a "you stupid fuck" if you're feeling feisty
but dps don't deserve being nice to
sick sentinel
you can throw in a "you stupid fuck" if you're feeling feisty
lol
sick sentinel
"somebody fucking interrupt this please or i die and we wipe and disband and man...
I use this
amber surge
ive found that even with shadowcores being interupted, the bonesoldier + cultist casts still murder you
same problem on the first pull
also, whats icd on the matrix? assuming the 30s cooldown is only for the guaranteed proc when you drop
does it have an icd
rppm?
zenith vigil
I use this
I'd recommend switching "somebody" for a specific person
To avoid confusion
jagged pier
^^
amber surge
doesnt scale also work with necrotic?
amber herald
don't think so
amber surge
makes perfect sense
ionic fern
makes perfect sense
One is DR the other is an absorb.
jagged pier
^^
amber surge
i think its pretty obvious that both scale and aegis have specific situations where they will be beating the other one
jagged pier
amber surge
everyone will have both when it matters anyways right? 🙃
jagged pier
true but thats in raid
where i havent found a point in it yet
i think i used it on mythic eye but i didnt need it
ivory elbow
I habbbbb 1 question
Like i have some gear with good stats
Is it worth spending valor to upgrade them
When i think about upgrading something i always think twice and be like what if i get it in weekly chest
patent osprey
depends on the content your doing. If you want to be bis at it at this moment yeah. If gear isn't the problem then no
ivory elbow
This me
jagged pier
cant upgrade my phial till next week
modern brook
Do not use potential gain as an excuse to ignore real upgrades
jagged pier
modern brook
Valor is gunna be worthless by like mid september
Use it while It does something for tou
patent osprey
also big misconception is upgrading trinkets or weapon first. With prot war shield should be ur #1 prio
jagged pier
i just hate u now need KMS on all chars to upgrade
ivory elbow
@patent osprey i am doing just m+ maybe some small push here and there but mostly boosting +15s for gold
Hmm i upgraded trinket 🤣
jagged pier
shield >wep > whatever
ivory elbow
But i have enough to upgrade shield i think
patent osprey
most things don't matter as much as shield. so upgrade that if you care the bare minimum
ivory elbow
I will go for shield after this reset then its almost half way
amber herald
shield is also the cheapest
modern brook
i just hate u now need KMS on all chars to upgrade <:sadge:820202363359854633>
Kms is very different to ksm
ivory elbow
Can i improve anything on my warrior above anything is helpful
amber herald
are you running four endurance conduits? 🤔
patent osprey
ur finesse should be rally cry one or safeguard imo. Reduced Shockwave is bleh
BUT I guess it's decent in pugs
jagged pier
Kms is very different to ksm
well the new system is making want to kms as u ahve to get ksm on everything
ivory elbow
My clapper damage
modern brook
Lmao
ionic fern
My clapper damage
There is no Clapper damage. 🙂 It's like a .5%
jagged pier
^^
amber herald
you can run both I think if you drop the deep wounds endurance conduit
it's not very good
ivory elbow
@patent osprey did +17 halls i ate 7 casts with 3 kicks up xd shockwave cd is really nice
Deepwounds is meh yeah
patent osprey
not sure the reduced Shockwave would of changed that haha
ivory elbow
I think i will go for rallying one the 30% hp is nice in some keys
@patent osprey true 🤣 but it feels nice to have it on every pack
Il prolly change it
ivory elbow
There is no Clapper damage. 🙂 It's like a .5%
I supose with target cap the damage is not that big
ivory elbow
Milk?
ivory elbow
I already have him
ivory elbow
Hmm i need better trinkets
You think the meme build with the haste trinket and the milk trait
It works good? Someone Said its almost perma bl
amber surge
spear and ravager lining up and then also having avatar line up with AM is gonna be ridiculous
ivory elbow
Am?
amber surge
anger management
ivory elbow
Hmm i play with middle talent i cant say the name xd
eager plover
Hi guys, I know someone maybe aleady asked that. I played fury on 905, I want to roll prot now. What is the state of prot ? (mm+ mainly but HC as well). Not very english native speaking so dont undestand well the video of state prot war
amber surge
Hmm i play with middle talent i cant say the name xd
heavy repercussions
ivory elbow
Yes heavy repaircosts
@eager plover one of the top tanks in m+ on raider io
Not sure about raids but if you are doing heroic raid its fine
eager plover
Ok nice. and raid, i see that prot was put on C tier .. i know that it is not so important but is it still playable/enjoyable in raid?
ionic fern
Not sure about raids but if you are doing heroic raid its fine
If you're doing Mythic its also fine.
ivory elbow
@patent osprey any suggestions for dps trinkets
ionic fern
Any tank can do any content.
ivory elbow
Yeah xd i said it its one of the top tanks in m+ on raider io
ionic fern
Ok nice. and raid, i see that prot was put on C tier .. i know that it is not so...
Playable, yes. Enjoyable? It depends on you if you enjoy the class or not. 👀
sweet summit
no
mellow bridge
man I wanted to try a bit of bear this season
to pull off some of these ridiculous incarn pulls
I had to stop project bear after like 4 keys as I was literally falling asleep
sweet summit
mellow bridge
incarn rota is actually a single macro taht you press in aoe kekw
thrash + if macro
hollow sun
wait, so ksm is not account wide? Like, i miss 5 points on my warrior, but if i get it on the warrior i need to grind it again on the rogue?
sweet summit
its not 🙂
hollow sun
i was kinda assuming that i don't have to grind dungeons on alts just to upgrade gear, fuck this
jagged pier
strong forum
hollow sun
chilly brook
pump harder <:Pepexecute:595606525272391710>
Hey it was my second key being Kyrian as prot and I'm a little rusty as prot too
tropic tangle
would a good valor priority be shield > scale > weapon > everything else?
jagged pier
not scale
tropic tangle
assuming you have those pieces to upgrade
is that because the raid trinkets are strong this tier?
tropic tangle
gotcha, aim for aegis for on use and then something else? matrix looks pretty strong too
jagged pier
matrix or phial
jagged pier
probably
chilly brook
would a good valor priority be shield > scale > weapon > everything else?
Shield>weapon>armor>trinkets
zenith vigil
why do people say tazavesh isn't worth it
I just came back for 9.1 and it seems like it would be worth to help gear up
are these just key pumpers that don't need it's static ilvl saying that?
jagged pier
the trinket from the mailroom is the only worth thing
sweet summit
sack and first technique are the only two noteworthy items from taz
zenith vigil
Guess I'll just chain run mists
onyx vessel
zenith vigil
Yeah my ilvl is 205 so everything would be upgrades
Was my thought process
And I'm not raiding
shy coral
Been levelling guardian druid and prot at the same time and even though I can stay alive way easier on guardian I find it so overwhelming having to tab target dots on every enemy all the time
visual wedge
Should I be focusing on having uptime on my shield block as much as possible during fights in the range of > 80%
blazing condor
yes
the more uptime the better
shield block is our main mitigation so having high uptime is the shit
visual wedge
Cool I’m doing that right, so in terms of shield wall is this a cd that should be used when shield block isn’t providing enough mitigation?
Right now I currently am keeping up time on shield block and rage dumping with revenge (when I’m not taking huge dmg, if I am this rage dump turns to ignore pain)
And then my last backup is of course DoS trinket to provide that last bit of shield
zenith vigil
depends, m+ or raid?
visual wedge
M+
blazing condor
shield wall dont really have like a hard rule for it, i usually use it when i know i'm gonna take damage in a pack or when its necessary
zenith vigil
m+, generally you just use shield wall on hard packs
blazing condor
but you'd rather use shield wall too much than too little
considering it has like a 1:30-2min CD
zenith vigil
in raid, use it when there's absolutely FAT damage incoming
blazing condor
you might as well use it even if it's not "needed"
visual wedge
So I could use it when pulling an initial pack to reduce damage from the start
zenith vigil
yes
visual wedge
Like let’s take DoS first pack
zenith vigil
yes
visual wedge
That entire first platform
visual wedge
I could pop that before I aggro
young oasis
guys, which are best anima powers for Tarragrue Mythic? for rapist dps ofc
zenith vigil
and then second pack i use the other
zenith vigil
guys, which are best anima powers for Tarragrue Mythic? for rapist dps ofc
rapist dps? cringe
young oasis
yep, to rape boss and get him pregnant with loot
visual wedge
Cool okay sound great, feel like I’m doing something right as that’s what I currently do just feel like im doing something wrong lol
zenith vigil
Cool okay sound great, feel like I’m doing something right as that’s what I curr...
can depend on healer too and if people chain stuns
pugs are always hard
zenith vigil
Help me pls, I know I'm a retard. Dont ask me questions
go look at the wowhead guide and stop being super fuckin cringe
visual wedge
pugs are always hard
Yeh that’s true, so rage dumping into revenge is completely okay when damage isn’t too high and I can survive without ignore pain
zenith vigil
actually jk they don't have a list of powers, but it doesn't really matter, tarragrue isn't hard
zenith vigil
Yeh that’s true, so rage dumping into revenge is completely okay when damage isn...
correct.
jagged pier
u can do it without powers it really doesnt matter
visual wedge
That’s great, thank you! @zenith vigil I have a guild log from SoD raid, it clears tarragrue and eye, would u mind looking it over see what I’m doing wrong (excluding my death on first boss)
zenith vigil
no I'm not smart with logs
but if you put it in #449510248579858432 I'm sure someone will get to it
visual wedge
Oh sure I’ll do that!
latent pier
Returning to prot and haven't really played it since Legion, any tips for maintaining shield block? I feel like I have trouble keeping it up forever like I could then.
blazing condor
Returning to prot and haven't really played it since Legion, any tips for mainta...
haste helps a ton if you dont have that, use reprisal as legendary, weave charges as well as intervene in combat
thats about it
covert sentinel
m+ heavy repercussion?
jagged pier
no
zenith vigil
Returning to prot and haven't really played it since Legion, any tips for mainta...
Best thing to do on coming back is
Read the icy veins guide
And as always...
Helped me a bunch returning
visual wedge
Returning to prot and haven't really played it since Legion, any tips for mainta...
Make sure your running the talent that provides extra time after using a shield slams, I find this much better in m+ over anger management because it’s on a short CD anyway
jagged pier
no
its not
the only time u run HR is in 24s +
where u need the extra 10-15% blocked hits it gives u
u should already be at 80-90% blocked hits with reprisal and AM alone
u also dont need to run HR most in high keys just do because its easier
and as tank u do the shot calling
so your life is easier if u dont need to think
zenith vigil
classic case of players copying top rio warrior
and not thinking maybe its for a reason specific to uber high keys
mental scarab
Well more SB is more standing and pumping revenge
jagged pier
if u dont understand why top ppl are running stuff u dont understand enough to copy them
🤷
tame jasper
🍿
mental scarab
And Maybe for us normal players sub 20 keys are super hard🤷🏼
jagged pier
20 keys would be super hard for me
🤷
like if you cant get ~80% blocked hits with reprisal AM u probably arent gunna even get there with adding HR on top
because your not playing correctly in the first place
mental scarab
true
zenith vigil
because your not playing correctly in the first place
bro u cant say this someones feelings might be hurt
mental scarab
raven dagger
how the fuck do I tank the first and 2nd pull in DoS
i feel like I just get fucked hard
sweet summit
you just dont xd
raven dagger
looks like my experience so far
sweet summit
you could save lust for it
try to save like shield wall+scale/aegis
make sure people kick shadowcore
and kite when you dont have anything
zenith vigil
how the fuck do I tank the first and 2nd pull in DoS
fat cooldowns
one for each of the first two packs
raven dagger
i feel like i have to pop all cooldowns on 1st pull just to survive and then i dont have for 2nd
ancient pasture
Anyone know what the buff from The Shard of Bek is called? is it a buff, maybe it's a boss debuf? Trying to find my uptime in keys and can't find it anywhere
zenith vigil
i feel like i have to pop all cooldowns on 1st pull just to survive and then i d...
bad pug then lul
ancient pasture
its a debuff
I'll keep digging then, ty
zenith vigil
people not doing what they should
jagged pier
bro u cant say this someones feelings might be hurt
i mean true but, also ive seen enough logs of ppl telling me they are playing correctly and playing HR or bolster and still have less bocked hits than me when they should 🤷
zenith vigil
I was joking
literally care 0% for hurt fee-fees
if the numbers are right they're right
mental scarab
@raven dagger the sword guys Do magic dmg and if some magic casts dont get interupted We are fucked
placid lagoon
13s to 15s don't feel to bad on first platform rotating shield block, charges, and intervene to avoid lotus damage. Warning you must be selective with charges or you will expose your back.
2nd platform is rough. You need to make sure death casters "death embrace" ability is interrupted, while you rotate your cds. Highly recommend NF 12s stun to take pressure off, and if you want some help a boomy for treant is pure gold on that pull.
sick sentinel
Don’t know why anyone is going right in 2nd season. Go left and do mask+2 small. Then have urn for pack or do the miniboss into pack. It’s just a better overall route in S2. Especially for prot war
tiny orchid
yo bois in renown 57, how does the covenant situation looks like in m+ ? Im thinking about going NF, but im little scared that mika in kyrian will be blastin.
blazing condor
Most people go right to get all powers for every boss. you can bl first/second pull. Then get it back for the boss, clear ardenweald and invis to manastroms
Then its ezpz
blazing condor
yo bois in renown 57, how does the covenant situation looks like in m+ ? Im thin...
NF is still a great option with big damage. The buffs to mikanikos just makes kyrian and NF equal in dps. Kyrian is a bit better defensively and for prog raiding but just play what you enjoy more cus you can push with any cov
tiny orchid
The problem i have with mikanikos is that all the juice is in the last node, but there are so many clunky things for me in the rest of the tree (potency sockets behind mediocre soulbinds, if u want to take good soulbinds then u lack potency) so i guess i will play a bit in mika, test how it feels and if it feels bad i will just go nf
pine valve
What's the goto leggo for M+ for prot? Thinking about learning tanking for Keys
crimson furnace
reprisal
guys, i am still missing a blood shard out of the total of 9 sahrds, the shard drops from the world boss, it shows in that loot table...
any chance getting it from raid?
sylvanas?
anyone know?? its the leech red shard
im going crazy not having that shard
shut summit
only from world boss
uneven mason
Keep slapping that feeder bar
pine valve
Mor'geth? More like Mor'dissapointment
zenith vigil
What's the goto leggo for M+ for prot? Thinking about learning tanking for Keys
And the icy veins guide three channels up
pseudo vigil
Hey yall, im just starting out prot warrior tanking and im trying to figure out when to use Shield Block over Ignore Pain and vise versa
Like il have Shield block and ignore pain up and ill still feel like im getting trucked
23% vers 233 ilvl
lean moth
Shield block should be up as much as possible if you are getting hit. Ignore pain to reduce the chunk damage if shield block is not up or heavy tank busters with shield block. Also ignore pain with heavy magic damage in conjunction with spell reflection.
pseudo vigil
Ok so if im getting hit and have SB up, i shouldnt put ignore pain on top of that?
sick sentinel
it sounds dumb too, but very common PW mistake is simply not turning towards enemy and hitting shield block
just that simple really
pseudo vigil
I mean im always facing what is attacking me
lean moth
No, you can use ignore pain with SB if you are taking tons of damage
It smooths it out for heals to kick in
sick sentinel
depends if you know if you are about to take magical damage or physical and blockable
pseudo vigil
That makes sense also
uneven mason
don't forget to be slapping your CDs as well
sick sentinel
almost always want some IP up, and block you know you can block it, reflect if you can reflect
uneven mason
we have a lot of them
pseudo vigil
Like i have alot of trouble tanking like a 16-17 HoA
uneven mason
most of "I feel like I'm getting trucked"
lean moth
That is something I am working on is more liberal use of cool downs
uneven mason
is due to your DPS not interrupting
sick sentinel
so, if you see a bunch of dudes casting magic spells, shield block won't have as great as effect
uneven mason
if you see a bunch of dudes about to land spicy ghost pepper chilies in your bung, you use shield wall
pseudo vigil
Yeah those wicked bolts mess me up lol. im new to warrior tanking also. like 2 weeks into it. i main fury/arms
uneven mason
also #1 survival trick I've found - be on coms, and yell at the DPS about interrupts
pseudo vigil
LOL true that ^
sick sentinel
yell at healer to do more dps too
uneven mason
yell at healer to do more dps too
this
lean moth
What is your haste?
pseudo vigil
lemme swap to tank gear and spec 1sec ill tell you
uneven mason
stat % is less important than just flat out proper gameplay, unless prot had a massive shift in 9.1
lean moth
You are right the majority of the play is just proper play
pseudo vigil
16% haste 30% mastery 23% vers
uneven mason
somuch vers
lean moth
I was just thinking of haste in relation to overall shield block up time
Too much master too
uneven mason
with reprisal SB efficiency is more or less passive.
pseudo vigil
Yeah my mastery % is bc i main fury
lean moth
From what others have said on this channel the goal should be 39%-40% haste
sick sentinel
versa is mostly at higher keys whenever you start to get scared, but its not required until like 22 + keys
uneven mason
I think its still ilvl?
sick sentinel
yes, haste first, and then whatever you want after that, usually crit for damage, because it gives us parry which procs free shit
lean moth
The more haste you have the quicker your recharge time of SB and more rage generation with devastator talent
Thus more uptime of SB
pseudo vigil
hmm alright, i can prolly get a lot higher haste with using my fury gear
sick sentinel
parry is also a slight DR , but i'm pretty sure it diminishing returns after 3 parries against same target and you both have to have disarmable weapons equiped
parry is weird
uneven mason
hmm alright, i can prolly get a lot higher haste with using my fury gear
don't sacrifice ilvl for stats though.
pseudo vigil
Ok, i been sacrificing ilvl for vers like a dummy, but my haste gear is high ilvl
pseudo vigil
so, ilvl > haste > crit?
uneven mason
that'll do for now
I mean, if you're doing crazy high keys, vers stacking is so you can avoid one shots from big nasty uninterruptible magic kabooms
but that's a gameplay method that 99.999% of the population really isn't going to be getting into.
pseudo vigil
yeah no, if im doing anything 18 or higher im dpsing
Im just looking to do like 15-17 keys as prot
ok so i can get up to 24% haste with gaining 2 ilvls
uneven mason
👍
shy coral
now I cant tell if I actually got better at tanking or if I just levelled up enough to where the dungeons cant kill me anymore
hollow vortex
should we be prot loot spec? or?
lavish oracle
Like, in general, @hollow vortex ?
hollow vortex
yeah. blood dk is unholy, bear is feral, to avoid the tank trinkets for the most part.
lavish oracle
Depends, we really need a shield so we can't abandon prot loot spec altogether
Otherwise I swap it based on what I need from where
lavish oracle
Np
balmy coral
Kleia still our soulbind of choice?
Also stat wise I have been going Haste>verse>=crit
timid anvil
why do we use ravager?
it doesnt seem to do much dam
is it just for the rage? it seems like we dont need it
uneven river
timid anvil
if u were going for purely as much dam as possible in a key would u use the thunder clap talent?
forgot th ename
uneven mason
if u were going for purely as much dam as possible in a key would u use the thun...
No
timid anvil
main source of damage is revenge over thunderclap now yeah?
like compared to how it was in bfa
uneven mason
Ravager is 1 GCD for consistent damage over time, a huge source of rage, allows for you to do big pumpers on revenge
the TC talent just forces you to spend a ton of GCDs on an attack that is like, a small AE auto attack
wide pilot
What kind of dmg are you guys doing on mists? Had a 15 where I did 6.2k overall. Wondering if mists is one of those dungeons where we could hit 7k right now
wide pilot
main source of damage is revenge over thunderclap now yeah?
Revenge is easily 25% of your dmg
lavish oracle
Mists is a key where we have very good overall, yeah
inner pelican
Hey guys, I'm using the Reprisal legendary on my boots, and heard legs are better. But I'm not very rich in soul ash and still have to upgrade my boots/ other legendary for raiding. Is it worth it to reforge or should I keep my boots?
fringe marten
uh..oddly enough I just did a mists with some guildies
I think it was 6.8? or something
was a 16..? yeah 16 we were carrying a guy building his renown back up, a sPriest and DK was not bad; so overall dps in general wasn't sky high. I was using seismic boots
and..? OH no I'm sorry...odd. DoS was the 6.8k zonewide and mists was the 6.1k I was sciencing a new trinket in mists; ticking sack of terror. Not good in keys~ lol.
Asmoras; did you all in the boots? are they 262?
inner pelican
not yet, they are 225
fringe marten
OH ok you're fine then; forging anything up to 235 atm is cheap/easy as far as time gating goes. There's no limit to soul ash; you can farm torghast as much as you want for unlimited soul ash and the prices for those 235 and below pieces are cheap.
Going above that is where it gets pricey because the korthite crystals and Soul Cinders come into play.
inner pelican
But they're still a soul ash cap per week right?
fringe marten
So if you've only gone as far as 225; yes I would reforge to legging slot. (Uh I don't think so? I thought all soul ash caps were removed)
inner pelican
Oh well if they were removed I guess I'll just farm Torghast like you said!
obtuse monolith
Reasoning for legs over boots is 1. Higher stat budget and now 2. Easy BoE boots from Sanctum. Really only a consideration for crafting your R6 then you’ll probably want legs.
No soul ash cap now you just get less per run after you’ve done your first run in each wing
inner pelican
Perfect, then I'll farm and then reforge. Thanks guys
fringe marten
Remember the 'reason' for making reprisal in legging slot is leggings simply have a higher stat budget, so you get more str/stam/armor/secondaries from a legging armor than boots. But in the overall scheme it's not gigantic. If you're really pressed for gold or ash or time to farm it etc..you are JUST fine with the boots.
inner pelican
Got it
fringe marten
'easy' boe boots? we've done 4 full normal clears now and almost 4 full heroic clears, and now pushing up to 4/10 mythic..and I THINK weve seen 1 boe so far? in all guild raids.
btw I joined a random 'normal' run the other night to help someone...that normal run had ? 4? 3 or 4..boe's in it. like WTF?
obtuse monolith
Our guild got plate boot BOEs two weeks running, one week normal then this week H. The easy part is being able to get 239 for 200k on AH
fringe marten
On a small server (like ours) where economies are dominated by a couple individual players; and the player base is small...prices are WAY WAY higher.
None the less; your sentiment is true..there's other options for boots. AND the first (and VERY EASY) mythic boss in the raid, drops a shield and boots.
pine cypress
Does devastator give you more Shield Slam procs overall, or only after a certain amount of haste?
prisma bear
it never stops giving you more haste, pay attention at mueh'zala when you have 120% or whatever haste from the totems its nuts
err never stops giving you more procs*
jagged pier
Does devastator give you more Shield Slam procs overall, or only after a certain...
in general it gives more, because if u dont run devastator, u still hardly ever press devastate so u never get advantage of the extra 10%
prisma bear
god damn i couldnt help but share that
rank 5 to rank 1 is a difference of 12 points and its 5 different classes
insanely good tank balancing
lucid steppe
Yeah. Cuz u need to push in tyran and fort to make progress
errant leaf
Rank one is frenchie boi 🇫🇷🇫🇷
sick sentinel
Is NF or kyrian better for m+
strong forum
Both are equally as good
chilly brook
I mean Kyrian be pumping rn
As much as I simped for NF I actually think it's much easier to perform as Kyrian
safe anvil
Hi guys. I have a problem with my stats distribution. I read the stats priority guides on Wowhead and icy-veins and now I wonder if there is a point where we prots have „enough“ haste (sort of feeling comfortable) and now we should focus more on other stats or is just „screw it“ and give me that sweet haste? (assuming same itemlevel)
lucid lance
And what about Raids? 😮
tired ice
Generally (and I think this still applies for pretty much all tanks), more stats = better stats. Secondary stats are very close in value compared to some DPS specs, and Strength, Armor and Stamina outvalue them all. When you look at two items of the same item level, you want to look for Haste and Versatility
There's not really a point where you want different stats than Haste and Versatility, Versatility is more reliable than Crit or Mastery and Haste gives you more Rage which leads to more IP and it reduces Shield Block CD
So yeah, Haste good
safe anvil
thx man
prisma bear
And what about Raids? 😮
raids is much less balanced. i was hoping for warrior to be superb but the last fight is really yikes for prot warrior. we are the best at KT but its an underwhelming fight :/
brittle owl
raid is just as balanced
🤷
there's no tank utility that absolutely breaks the raid
people just like to copycat rwf
prisma bear
xd well prot pala literally does but its tough to survive last phase of sylvanas as prot you need more help than the other tanks
woven carbon
Hey people, would Venthyr be a good all-purpose PVE covenant? Looking to tank and occasionally dps
brittle owl
prot paladin just does insane dps
prisma bear
gear and these imba shards will make it negligible later on
brittle owl
and the raid doesn't hit that hard so running one WAS big gains
but at this point there shouldn't be any dps check for a raid team to require a prot paladin's dps
prisma bear
im not saying its impossible man but you are big coping if you think raid tanks are as balanced as that image i posted
tardy lily
Reprisal legendary on legs or feet? i assume legs due to more stats?
brittle owl
?
prisma bear
paladin has many external immunities and cds
brittle owl
outside of top 20
prisma bear
it can block both parts of sylvanas' triple shot magic and phys
brittle owl
raid tank pic never matter
with choice exceptions for bdk
some might argue that even outside top 10
it never mattered
like, right now, there's this acoustic symphony playing for prot paladin along the lines of 'blocking phys and magic', just because it was a wf pick. other tiers, the exact same toolkit/aspect of prot was laughed at because "rng mitigation lul"
terse cypress
Hi there, could I check with the change in the shards with buffs, do prot warriors still stick to the blood set bonus as the go-to?
strong forum
Given that blood was already the better pick for us
And that blood is being buffed
I'd say blood will continue to be the better pick
terse cypress
Given that blood was already the better pick for us
Sorry, I mean considering the buffs to the frost set, would we just still stick to blood. Phrased it badly.
terse cypress
I'd say blood will continue to be the better pick
Gotcha thanks bud!
strong forum
Maybe if we build a full on ultra crit set like the druids are, then frost could become bis, but I won't believe it until I see it
terse cypress
Maybe if we build a full on ultra crit set like the druids are, then frost could...
👍
uneven mason
Set bonuses now, sounds complicated
inland silo
Hey people, would Venthyr be a good all-purpose PVE covenant? Looking to tank an...
No. Venthyr is very bad for prot and arms in all content. Its good for fury in raid but bad in m+.
NF or Kyrian are the all purpose covenants and they basically do the same thing so you can pick whichever you like more
uneven mason
Did they ever buff it beyond being a simp tool?
Like, does it do big pumpers for you
brittle owl
simping is bad for your health
naive whale
dunno what big pumpers represent... i'm comfy at 3.5-4.5k overall in my keys (14-15)
ionic fern
Like, does it do big pumpers for you
It's doing "fine" damage. The downside is that you have to put more effort into that damage (and timing) than you would by just pressing Spear/AA.
And it's still behind the others.
ionic fern
dunno what big pumpers represent... i'm comfy at 3.5-4.5k overall in my keys (14...
That's...really-really-really low.
That's like..last season low.
naive whale
picked up prot 2 weeks ago... been only playing Fury
so i've still got alot to improve on
uneven mason
Go reprisal, pump revenges, pickup nf, make DPS have to chase you
naive whale
i'll upgrade it next week to max (still 190 atm on that leggo), but i ain't gonna be swapping to NF
my meaningfull choice isn't to be a combat Fairy
uneven mason
Fae are scary