protection

[sullen valve]

[ionic fern]

No..

[zenith vigil]

god

the conduits we need

upgrades are hard to find

if you don't raid

[sweet summit]

korthia pog

[zenith vigil]

that shit is mad slow dawg

[tardy sequoia]

So uhmmm how do you deal properly with fortified AND bolstering?

Should use treants as last week?

[ionic fern]

As you deal with everything else.
Use CD's properly - if you run out of CD's,kite.

[tardy sequoia]

First and second pull of DoS is gonna be nightmare

And Halls as well

[ionic fern]

Jeah, it's a nightmare combination.

I'm just chilling this week.

[unique shale]

dos is always shit show

[tardy sequoia]

Last week DoS was very doable

[mystic warren]

it's mostly the ardenweald area that'll slow you down as you can't go as big, rest of the dungeon isn't all that bad

[ionic fern]

If you get to the ardenweald area. 🙂

[median tulip]

The first pull in DOS is nasty, because of the HP mismatch meaning the big guy is always last to die and heavily bolstered

[mystic warren]

mark it with skull it'll take 30% more damage

[zenith vigil]

I've heard about that buff

[ionic fern]

I feel like the 2nd pull is worse cause everyone always blows their CD's on the first one meaning the 2nd one lasts forever. 😂

[zenith vigil]

Works every time

[unique shale]

yeah same unless you go left to right

[mystic warren]

that's why you go left first

[median tulip]

The second pack isn't as bad; it's more controllable IMO

[mystic warren]

the minibosses don't get bolstered so if you go left first you can pull the soldier+raptor onto the miniboss there and not worry about dps not having cds

[unique shale]

shadowcore with bolstered its should be fun XD

[median tulip]

I prefer to go right, whore all the Anima powers all the way around, and kill Dealer first

[mystic warren]

just curious, if you do this do you get 2 lusts in before dealer or do you end up holding your 2nd lust for a really long time?

[mellow bridge]

bolstered shadowcores 🐒

[unique shale]

I don't really care about anima power most of my friends just kill two

[mystic warren]

never tried that way as it felt like it was too much moving for just the anima powers

[mellow bridge]

very fun to get hit by 70k shadowcore in a +20 because your dps are monkeys

😩

was a very fast deplete kek

[median tulip]

It doesn't seem like it takes too long

Although TBH I'm probably still thinking of Tyrannical week, which is a different kettle of fish

[unique shale]

i did that in pug and everybody suddenly left DX

[mellow bridge]

no way you can collect all powers and not have lust up for ages if youre saving it for dealer

you'll either have to lust some trash again in ardenweald or sit on lust

[median tulip]

You don't really need lust for the bosses on Fort week

Hell, there's probably an argument for lusting a big pull in Ardenweald section for the sake of the timer

[mystic warren]

be sick if you go right side, counter clockwise for the powers and then dealer and have a 2nd lust so you can pull big on top of the first miniboss in the ardenweald bit, and then have it back again on dealer

although it might not be back for dealer at that point

[median tulip]

Do the minibosses get (or give...) Bolstering stacks?

[mystic warren]

nope

[median tulip]

Useful

[mystic warren]

only danger there with bolstering is if a runestag gets high stacks and tramples your mage

[craggy pilot]

do they get Fortified HP/Dmg?

[mystic warren]

which didn't happen to us twice last night

[zenith vigil]

I don't believe minibosses of any form have ever interacted, thankfully

with affixes, ever

[craggy pilot]

bolstering is rly scary when a caster gets insane bolstered, and no one interrupts, and its just 20k 20k 20k 20k

[craggy pilot]

so not even fortified?

[unique shale]

https://tenor.com/view/hide-the-simpsons-bush-bushes-hermit-gif-5786484

[zenith vigil]

I mean the added ones not the default 😛

[median tulip]

The worst thing is when your party's boomkins fat arse aggros the big red guy when you're just about to kill the 2 warlords before the gnome section so you end up with a 2*Bolstered Red Guy... He is pain

[craggy pilot]

lul

have never seen someone bolster the red guy

the 2nd one doesnt have Urn either so even more fucked up

[median tulip]

Pro Tip: Do Not Bolster The Red Guy

[blazing condor]

Im gonna bolster the red guy

[mellow bridge]

nope

they dont interact with anything

only griveous because that's not something that is applied by mobs directly

[craggy pilot]

i tried to pull the 3 mobs in Sanguine on top of the Orb guy on 3rd boss

but accidentally pulled boss as well 😄

[unique shale]

https://tenor.com/view/parks-and-rec-chris-pratt-socked-excited-jaw-drop-gif-5402289

[subtle tulip]

Ive done on 15 normal DoS route (counter clockwise) with full anima Powers -> dealer xy. And by the time we are at mini boss in ardenweald we still got 1-2 mins on BL i think.

[median tulip]

Was that Tyr or Fort week?

[median tulip]

At your own risk xD

[subtle tulip]

Tbh ive done over 20 runs, perhaps im having the tyran timer in my head.

[blazing condor]

its weird that the red guys only give 2% count

like ? they are practically mini bosses

[craggy pilot]

i had it line up every time in DoS

while people argue that going left is better

🤷

i guess people rather have 2 lust than 3

or wtf do u lust when going left?

[craggy pilot]

wdym mini boss in ardeanweald? The dragon?

[subtle tulip]

The tormentor for anima power i mean

[craggy pilot]

you dont need lust for him

i might be misunderstanding your question

but if you lust 1st double pack, then you can lust Dealer + Hakkar as well

[subtle tulip]

Yea but some people were suggesting to perhaps lust the first four packs and the tormentor in ardenweald if possible. Bosses are easier this week :)

[craggy pilot]

hmm, never heard that 🤷

[strong forum]

its a new season

so you dont need to lust bosses on fort

you can use better lusts because you can do entirely different pulls

after the hakkar changes you dont need lust on him

if youre omega optimising/slow you can squeeze 5 lusts into DoS

[craggy pilot]

5 lusts holy shit 😄

that requires some planning tho

unless you are just chugging them out random

[strong forum]

omega optimising kinda implies that you plan for it

[craggy pilot]

oh didnt see the omega part 😄

[short kiln]

Lol

[craggy pilot]

how do you guys time around your allies cooldowns?
should i track offensive cooldowns so i know when people have their 3minutes ready fx?

[strong forum]

ask

[craggy pilot]

that only rly works if on voice

cant be asking if coolies are rdy every other pack in chat

[strong forum]

i only ask for cds before big pulls

deciding if i pull big or not

[subtle tulip]

I love IT when you ask for cooldowns and you're just met with silence. So... Shall i pull big or what?

[craggy pilot]

^

exactly my point 😄

[strong forum]

i dont pug

so

[craggy pilot]

asking CDs doesnt rly work unless on voice

[strong forum]

🤷‍♂️

[craggy pilot]

[jagged pier]

omnicd so u can see their cds

[craggy pilot]

ye i have omnicd, but only currently showing peoples defensives

installed it mainly for PvP back in the day

[strong forum]

then enable their offensive cds

[plush tendon]

^

Except druids, I only see their Barkskin 😛

[craggy pilot]

does it work for stuff like Avatar if warrior has AM?

[strong forum]

thats a CD you dont care about

[craggy pilot]

Avatar is their 3min tho? 🤔

[strong forum]

the only CDs you care about are boomkins, warlocks

avatar is 1.5min

lmao

[craggy pilot]

oh ye rip

[strong forum]

and warrior CDs are irrelevant

[craggy pilot]

haha 😄

[strong forum]

theyre too small

you only care about BIG CDS

like CA and warlock CDs

[craggy pilot]

i never rly have boom or warlocks anyway

[strong forum]

then you dont need to ask for CDs

[plush tendon]

Yea, but sometimes you have to play the game for your friends

[craggy pilot]

ah so i can just pull big all the time? kekw

[plush tendon]

cause they dont press their buttons and die

[strong forum]

Hunter CDs i guess also count

[primal cape]

i like to have an eye on spells like binding shots, elem or vortex

[strong forum]

and mages kinda

[craggy pilot]

yea, people dont press their cooldowns

is the main issue

"im saving it for the boss"

wtf

[plush tendon]

not just cooldowns, just buttons

[craggy pilot]

ah ye tru

[plush tendon]

Press yo buttons

rule 1

[craggy pilot]

"i dont wanna use all my cooldowns together"

"im splitting them on each pack" gtfo

[plush tendon]

It doesnt even have to be cds, how many times do spells go through and all 3 of your dps still can interrupt

[craggy pilot]

preach

[strong forum]

no preach quit the game

[craggy pilot]

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-pikachu-crying-pokemon-gif-16694846

[tawdry dirge]

thanks for that BSC talent tip soome hours ago

its crazy more dmg in keys

[craggy pilot]

lul

its crazy different playstyle

its amazing

fuck TC spam

[strong forum]

TC spam is dead for almost a year now

[craggy pilot]

people who are new to tanking, still do it

[tawdry dirge]

i still use TC

dont we use TC anymore?

[strong forum]

you use TC but you dont spam

youre still supposed to use it on CD

[tawdry dirge]

ahh okay lol

thats what i do i mean its a mini rage gen

[strong forum]

and it resets SS

[tawdry dirge]

guess u mean BFA playstyle

[strong forum]

ye

[tawdry dirge]

but tbf i liked that too

[strong forum]

if it did crazy dmg id like it again too

but since it doesnt, i dont

[tawdry dirge]

aye

[craggy pilot]

not rly tho... its lowest prio, below Revenge, Shield Block, Shield Slam

so literally only pressing it when you have nothing else to press

[strong forum]

yes you are supposed to use it on cd

....

it generates instead of costs rage

and it can reset SS

if youre not rage capping, youre supposed to use it over revenge

[craggy pilot]

ye if youre not rage capping

and if SS not rdy

i sometimes have so much rage i cant even spam Revenge fast enough

[strong forum]

yes

thats when you use IP

[zenith vigil]

Intellectual property?

[craggy pilot]

why press IP when u can do dam

[strong forum]

Cuz you're about to ragecap

[dense gate]

Does anyone have a weakaura that tracks melt soul cd on incinerator miniboss?

[craggy pilot]

i know, im joking 😉 dont like overcapping on IP either

[dense gate]

or know the cd of it

[craggy pilot]

charge, intervene, avatar, ravager, ancient aftershock gives insane amounts of rage at the start of a fight

does bolster happen on bosses?

[jagged pier]

yes

[craggy pilot]

ah ok

so cant pull first pack of TOP onto boss 😄

[jagged pier]

no

well u can

just kill them at the same time

[craggy pilot]

but then the 3 bosses will get bolster

can you do the 3 + the riding guy together in TOP on Bolster?

or too risky?

[jagged pier]

well again u need to keep the guy alive and constantly soothed till they are all close to death

[tired ice]

You can also skip the first pack and the rider
You can mop them up easily in the end and leaving the rider up gives you something to do while Mord'retha gets her makeup ready
Just be careful to be the first to go up then as you will land directly on top of him

[craggy pilot]

yea heard that before

but requires rog or pot

[tired ice]

Dh Imprison and Monk Para+Ring also works

Put that on the left guy in the first pack, stick to the very left end of the path and you can get by just fine

[plush tendon]

I dont think you can skip the rider

If you can, info on this would be greatly appreciated

[tired ice]

We literally just walked by him, no Priest or anything

[plush tendon]

Then my guildies are shit at walking

thanks

[tired ice]

You can get past him by cuddling the Shieldwall guys on the left

[plush tendon]

yea, we do that

[bright flax]

Thought he had truesight

Always learning

[distant crystal]

he does

but you're ranging not invising

[craggy pilot]

you love to see it

10 minute over time TOP

because they did literally 0 dps and 0 interrupts

bottom druid was 235 ilvl 😄

[nimble laurel]

two balance druids and a warlock sound like a pretty terrible composition for interrupts anyways

[craggy pilot]

it was

not me who built the grp

235 druid with flask on pulling 4.2k dps through a +14

the healer was struggling to keep us alive on 2 unbolstered adds, so he had to link it 😄

[sweet summit]

fyi venthyr boomkins dont do good damage on a low key like that

[craggy pilot]

nah

never rly seen boomkins do high dmg this season

seems they dont really have an AOE covenant that scales well

[tropic gorge]

It amazes me how fast I've been able to gear up my prot war. 3 weeks ago he was like ilvl 179, I forget exactly
Couldn't queue for heroic dungeons.
Last night he hit 221

Mega power jump that came really quick

[spice shoal]

What do u guys suggest for minimal haste %

[surreal flume]

Are there any recommended WA or addons for someone who’s new to tanking?

[plush tendon]

As much as you can get

[blazing condor]

Threatplates work well for nameplates to see if you got aggro or not

MDT if you dont have for routes in m+

[spice shoal]

iknow but atm 20% ish but it feels slow

[plush tendon]

Thats alright

[surreal flume]

Tyty

[plush tendon]

Just get more; theres no 'break point' you need to get to

[plush tendon]

get something to track your SB so you know when you have it and dont (general weakaura set super good for this)

also helpful to have a weakaura that tells you what externals or personals you have on you

[blazing condor]

If you go to quazii’s website he has a WA set that does all that

Shows all your cooldowns on you and externals

[plush tendon]

its also free

I use a edited version of Naows set (which isnt free), but they are super similar

[surreal flume]

That sounds great, I’ll definitely have a look now

Thanks guys

[blazing condor]

I use quaziis WAs with my own elvui

Works wonders

[cold crater]

Hi,
Why is ravager considered better than into the fray for m+ ?

[plush tendon]

damage

More damage, more rage for revenge

ITF aint bad for those who are lazy

[cold crater]

sometimes i forget to change talents betwen raid and dungeons and it always eems like i deal more damage with ITF

[plush tendon]

I dont care for ravager personally, but its recommended to run Ravager with AM

and the reasoning is sound

you might want to go up to the arms channel

This is a place of culture where we talk about Revenge

[wide pilot]

ah c rap in the wrong one lol

well my guild is turning me in a baboon and making me play it for raid haha otherwise im prot

[plush tendon]

awooga

Ill happily send your guild one of my 3 arms warriors

they be trolling me

and keep on complaining we dont have a enhancement shaman

[chilly brook]

To be fair, if you get an enhance shaman that's straight up 1500 dps across 3 arms warriors at least

And then you can put yourself in the group

And get a 6% increase too

[plush tendon]

Ive swapped back to my DK for raid....

I know, very sad

But I can afk more while playing blood which gives me more brainpower to raid lead; plus we needed grips

[lilac bloom]

i'm on heroic guardian.. i dont know why when i went to the stone after the 3rd protocol was cast i end up dying

[plush tendon]

This is what we have in our recruitment flyer. We do our best to turn melee into range XD

[lilac bloom]

i have to use mitigation for that?

[sweet summit]

youre taking 3 purging protocols?

[lilac bloom]

welll 3rd one was casting

[sweet summit]

ah ok

[lilac bloom]

usualy 2nd i take to the stone.. but our rl wants 2 and half cast to go

[sweet summit]

there's no downside to letting him cast, but interrupting it last second. so that's fine

do you have logs?

[plush tendon]

you dont need to take 3 protocols in a row

[lilac bloom]

doing it now

[plush tendon]

why though?

[sweet summit]

we take two and dragging it in before the 3rd finishes

and as i understood it that's how they do it too

[plush tendon]

we took 1, dragged it in before the second

granted, we ran 4 healers, two of them being rerollers

[chilly brook]

We ran 2

And then in before 3rd

Granted that's heroic

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[sweet summit]

we have the dps to just take 1, maybe even 0. but the healers are crying "theres nothing to do waaaa"

[plush tendon]

damage wasnt a issue to finish boss, so I didnt see a reason to take a 2nd protocol

[lilac bloom]

ya

its heroic

[chilly brook]

See

Damage isn't the problem

[plush tendon]

just extra damage intake for no good reason

[lilac bloom]

so thats what i'm trying to do

but that damage

always hitting me realy hard

[chilly brook]

Keeping people alive through the whole fight to do the damage?

[sweet summit]

so you need raid cooldowns

[plush tendon]

well you take protocols to extend the fight right?

[chilly brook]

Yea

[lilac bloom]

ya

[plush tendon]

and on heroic theres no reason to extend, so just take one and call it a day

[sweet summit]

to cover the 2nd/3rd hit

[lilac bloom]

so how am i suppose to deal with that damage either mitigation or should i use spell reflect when i go in

[sweet summit]

the 1st hit you dont need anything

[chilly brook]

Your raid should be assigning CDs to cover the damage

[plush tendon]

healer CDs shouldve been assigned before hand

[sweet summit]

you dont take damage when you enter the core 🤔

[chilly brook]

Because everyone is taking big dam

[chilly brook]

Isn't the random aoe still happening?

[plush tendon]

but you could spell reflect, no reason not to

[lilac bloom]

well.. i never had such a problem

[sweet summit]

you take 90% less damage from that when inside the thing

[lilac bloom]

till now

[chilly brook]

Again

[lilac bloom]

unless he is still outside

[chilly brook]

Raid CDs

[sweet summit]

idk, im confused

i need logs

to see whats going on

[lilac bloom]

yah they were yelling at a shaman

[chilly brook]

This too

[lilac bloom]

yep let me find it

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xbKAGPdg1Tf2HNZ7/

[sweet summit]

private 😔

oh nvm its just empty

[chilly brook]

:Detective:

[plush tendon]

This was our rough draft, but you and your guild should do something similar

[chilly brook]

Reeeee why my emote no work

[lilac bloom]

ok after this pull

[sweet summit]

damn how many warriors do you have augusto

[plush tendon]

we had 4 including me 😄

down to 3 now

since I went DK

[sweet summit]

traitor

[plush tendon]

and no shaman!!!

[plush tendon]

I did what I had to do

now i suffer in 10 15s a week as a BDK

rather then on my chad prot warrior

[chilly brook]

I mean blood isn't that bad

[plush tendon]

granted, I still do 10 keys as prot 😛

[chilly brook]

Your snap threat is just ass

[plush tendon]

non existent

[sweet summit]

go night fae for first strike

[plush tendon]

NF for warrior is ok

[sweet summit]

i actually really like venthyr dk

i think its sick

[plush tendon]

DKs should be Necro or Venthyr; everything else is wrong

[sweet summit]

but its not slappyhands

[plush tendon]

I swap between Necro and Venthyr every week

on my DK

I have commitment issues

[sweet summit]

[chilly brook]

Slappyhands is BiS

Solves all your aoe threat problems

Every 4th pull

[plush tendon]

reason why im Venthyr now; 1 min CD

😄

yet I still lose aggro -_-

first, cant charge in, gotta walk in

[chilly brook]

But slappy hands in raid is just

📈

[plush tendon]

you right

[sweet summit]

we're on soulrender, and slappyhands hard carries

love DKs

[chilly brook]

^

[lilac bloom]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7Ytg4DxvbRkZN9aB/

[plush tendon]

that was our reasoning

[lilac bloom]

here logs

[plush tendon]

before I swapped, we only had a unholy DK

[chilly brook]

Especially when it means I get to avatar, wb and bladestorm all 4 mobs

[plush tendon]

and asking him to save slappy hands for every other is kind of bad for overall raid damage

[pseudo rose]

Hi all! I play a venthyr warrior, with signet, recently switched to prot, so far unkillable in open wolrd/questing. I know this setup is extremely suboptimal, but my question is this: do you think ii can get away with a Venthyr+signet prot warrior in LFR? Can i dabble into normal with it? Idea is that avataring while not actively tanking in case bladestorm procs, then focusing rage on SB/IP while boss is on me

[plush tendon]

Yes

[chilly brook]

Why would you

[plush tendon]

Its LFR and maybe normal, you can do whatever you want my dude

[sweet summit]

btw, you can still block attacks while bladestorming. so its not suicide to proc it while tanking

[chilly brook]

Go do torghast and craft a rank 2 reprisal

Or even a 4

Like theres really no excuse not to craft a prot lego at this point, tons of soul ash available and rank 1-4 legos have tanked in price

[sweet summit]

why tho

signet is fun

why not use it

[lilac bloom]

soul cindas is an Ass to farm

[sweet summit]

its a game

[lilac bloom]

i hated it

[chilly brook]

Outside of fury I don't find random bladestorms fun

If it worked with our ravager tho

📈

[sweet summit]

raidcooldowns seem fine, people are just dying from walking out of safezone too early and standing in the huge frontal

this fight was/is kinda hard when people die early. less people=higher chance same guy gets targeted with sentry fire + less people to soak obliterate

so it snowballs against you

[jagged pier]

need to get my self some dps gems

[primal cape]

^ this + Mikanikos is a free BL on each pack

[lilac bloom]

I get ya

there are ppl not able to move properly in the circle end up dying

[plush tendon]

That’s some damage

Is that the power of owl bro

[jagged pier]

im pela

[plush tendon]

Oooo

What dungeon though

I only do that much in like SD (and NW, but who cares)

[jagged pier]

mists

and SD

[plush tendon]

Oooo

Now that I’m playing blood, looking at my and other prot war damage just makes me jelly

I struggle to break 4K 😭

[dusky canopy]

Man I'm excited to hit 5k overall and I see this guy hitting 6k

:Detective:

[strong forum]

aim for 10k

thats my goal

[jagged pier]

i think with mik and gems will be close

and seimic

NW weps are depressing now after the change

[strong forum]

theyre buffed again tho

they just cant crit anymore

[distant crystal]

And no vers scaling

Prob still an overall buff for protboys eh

[strong forum]

not like i ever used weapons anyway 🤷‍♂️

or did NW

so for me nothing changes at all

besides not being tilted like a mad cunt because your spear didnt crit

[distant crystal]

i think they used to scale with mage rune of power

• first strike crit%

Used to do some wacky stuff w/ those lol

[ivory elbow]

@jagged pier which dungeon is that

[naive barn]

How u pump so much ?

[ivory elbow]

How much of that is spear dmg from necrotic wake 🤣

[strong forum]

you press your rotation

and gg

theres your damage

and it was mists Gwyn

in Mists and SD its fairly easy to hit 6k+ overalls

especially once we have mythic gear, you should be able to hit 8k in those dungeons without breaking too much sweat

[chilly brook]

I mean I was doing over 5k in mists last season

[ivory elbow]

Just joking 😅

Yeah didnt play season 1

[chilly brook]

We had dudes throwing out 7ks last season with full send meme build

[tropic gorge]

Damn

I'm happy to see 5k on aoe pulls lol

[strong forum]

aoe pulls?

you look at indiviual pulls 😅

[ivory elbow]

Playing this season finishing with 6k but gear is from what drops in +15

[tropic gorge]

I'm deff nowhere near 6k single target atm. 220 item level

[strong forum]

this is overall in m+

end of dungeon dps

[ivory elbow]

I mean overall

[tropic gorge]

Oooooo,ny bad I jumped in part way for the convo

Derp on my part

[chilly brook]

You can definitely end at 5k almost 6k in single target

[strong forum]

dom stuff is cheating

ngl

[chilly brook]

Well ye

[sturdy sable]

blood set is like 10% of my dps in raid

[strong forum]

30% of pumps' dmg is just matrix and bloodlink

matrix owns

[chilly brook]

Tbf

Sako's blood set is only 570 dps

Dude is still doing 5.3k

[strong forum]

ya 5k is defo possible

pedicure tho

that guy slaps

[chilly brook]

Granted

That's also only a 3 and a half minute fight

[strong forum]

dude had r1 on the nine by 700 dps

over EVERY tank

natures fury 📈

[sweet summit]

damage hack

idk

[plush tendon]

he just built different

[strong forum]

hes the only one playing Natures Fury

thats his hack

[chilly brook]

I went back to Kyrian

[strong forum]

good

welcome the bron into your life

[chilly brook]

I did it for arms

📈

[sweet summit]

[tropic gorge]

But are Dom gems are broken as corruption was in bfa?

[strong forum]

no

[sweet summit]

nah

[tropic gorge]

I absolutely hated corruption

[strong forum]

not even remotely

[sweet summit]

but still dumb that they didnt learn

[tropic gorge]

Mhm

[plush tendon]

I thought NF was for Arms

[chilly brook]

40% of my damage isn't going to be TD

[strong forum]

kyrian arms is basically the same Augusto

its just soulshape vs potion

[chilly brook]

Kinda, NF and Kyrian are equal in raid

[strong forum]

literally just soulshape vs potion

nothing else

[chilly brook]

But Kyrian gets super stronk in m+ next week

[tropic gorge]

I'm gonna try to pug normal over the weekend, and pray for gems. I pugged the first 4 in sod last weekend and got the chest item. Ran lfg last week before wing 2, no gems :(

[sick sentinel]

Let's say I'm a new tank, new warrior, lazy and bad. Is it possible to make a macro that uses shield block, but if shield block is out of charges, it attempts to use ignore pain instread?

[chilly brook]

Nah, its signet vs EM

[strong forum]

in m+

sure

[plush tendon]

dont do this

[strong forum]

but in raid its just soulshape vs potion

[sweet summit]

it not possible

and its a bad macro

[chilly brook]

That's really why I swapped

I hate signet in m+ as arms

[strong forum]

this macro will make you even worse

[plush tendon]

I dont want to lose my soul shape rawr!

[strong forum]

if you use it

[orchid frigate]

pugging a boomie or mage is such hit or miss :/

[plush tendon]

you know how long I had to grind for my lion!? Like two days of dailies that took 15 mins

[tropic gorge]

The kyrian spear is so good. But tbh, the potion has saved my ass so many times. Last week I abused Tf out of it, and the stone form dwarf racial

[sick sentinel]

How come?

[plush tendon]

They are used for different things

[tropic gorge]

Ignore pain is good for a rage dump at cap. From my understanding, as your hp gets lower ignore pains value decreases

[strong forum]

be me
choose kyrian in alpha because spear is sick AF
kyrian continues to be meta all throughout 9.0
kyrian continues to be good in 9.1
kyrian becomes pretty much equal to NF in every situation
never swapped covenant and its the right choice

[tropic gorge]

I chose kyrian from the jump for the potion. The spear was a nice surprise for me when I learned how it works for prot war

[feral gulch]

[plush tendon]

or be like me: start Kyrian, get bored and swap to Necro with the banner changes. Get convinced NF is the way by the pumpers and swap to NF

[strong forum]

Ignore Pain is just a defensive rage dump which doesnt replace any other mitigation, you should aim to learn how to use which button when. If you make a macro that will use SB and or IP on the same button press you will waste rage like a motherfucker and botch everything you do

[tropic gorge]

I'm so sorry. You must love grinding lol

[chilly brook]

Eh

Its not much of a grind

Swapped last night

Already 44

[plush tendon]

its like a solid afternoon of content

[chilly brook]

For reference I was like 10 when I initially swapped off Kyrian for NF

[plush tendon]

and since we'll be in a content drought soon.... its basically extra 'gameplay'

[chilly brook]

The crappy thing is I don't think I'll be able to hit 54 before we finish off heroic tonight but hey w/e

It's not mythic so it'll be fine

And now that you can get renown from torghast you just pick layer 9 and boss rush every floor

It's like a renown every 5 minutes

[pseudo rose]

Thx 4 the help, great learnings! Very cool discord

[tropic gorge]

Oh I didn't know torghast was giving out renown now! Tonight is my planned grind night for torghast.
Like all things, getting into groups as a tank is so much better then trying my mage lol

[chilly brook]

Hmmm

Actually I might be able to get caught up all the way

[tropic gorge]

Ikr

[shy coral]

I cant tell if my deaths in dungeons are my fault or someone elses

need to know so I can learn properly

[chilly brook]

Hard to know without logs

[shy coral]

do logs even exist for levelling dungeons

[sturdy sable]

if you make them they do

[shy coral]

im at level 34 now, so just got heroic leap. Have a lot of times where I dont have any shield block available so what do I do?

[sturdy sable]

at that level have the healer heal you

[naive barn]

Is pvp gear giga for prot ? Heavy vers mastery

[sturdy sable]

kite if you pulled more then you can handle

[shy coral]

also dont know if I should be stacking things or not, like when do I use demoralizing shout etc.

[sturdy sable]

ilvl>stats

[shy coral]

on cooldown?

[naive barn]

Vers - haste i mean

[sturdy sable]

pretty much

[naive barn]

So basically just use highest ilvl i have and it's fine?

[sturdy sable]

yes

more worse stats> better less stats

[naive barn]

Just need sword and board and I'm ready i guess

[modern brook]

Its giga for prot soley because its a consistent source of a 220+ shield for new characters with minimal grind

[shy coral]

what do you do if there's no room to kite?

[modern brook]

die

[tropic gorge]

Pray

[sweet summit]

get healed

[tropic gorge]

Last stand /shield wall. Pray.

[shy coral]

just did motherlode and there's a ton of packs close to eachother with no room to run without pulling

[sweet summit]

GOD I MISS MOTHERLODE

[naive barn]

Oh yeah, 220 unranked lol

[sweet summit]

im sad now

[modern brook]

dont we all 😦

remember when dungeons were good

back in BFA lmao.

[shy coral]

I died a few times in it

[chilly brook]

No fuck that dungeon

[sweet summit]

fuc ku

[chilly brook]

Nice joke

[tropic gorge]

Lmao

[shy coral]

quite a few deaths between 2nd and 3rd boss

and then to trash after 3rd boss

[sweet summit]

back in my day we skipped that

[chilly brook]

Legion>BFA dungeons

[sweet summit]

trash between 2nd and 3rd boss fucks

[modern brook]

nice brave opinion matt

[tropic gorge]

Don't be too surprised you die a lot lvling and running dungeons. The healers are learning also

[chilly brook]

[modern brook]

Also its probably a routing thing

[shy coral]

I dont know when its a healer issue or my issue though is the problem

[modern brook]

Theres only like 2 actual pulls in that area

[shy coral]

if im playing correctly

[sweet summit]

true, you just hug left

and pull the rats +2/3 other packs

they're fine

[modern brook]

The rea between 1st and 2nd is more of a killer imo

[tropic gorge]

While leveling there really isn't a right or wrong way. As you don't have the full tool kit yet.
Practice not spamming shield block charges and rolling it

[modern brook]

Cause its really dependent ony our DPS to kick the bolts

as far as not dying goes

can only block so many rocks

[tropic gorge]

Mhm

[chilly brook]

Just uhhh

Clap cheeks

Leveling dungeons shouldn't hit that hard tbh

[modern brook]

honestly

just record a dungeon

[tropic gorge]

Thunder clap is amazing in lower level content

[jagged pier]

that was Mists, i also did the same in SD

[jagged pier]

u press revenge

[tropic gorge]

Is it a bad thing to rage dump with revenge?
When I'm about to cap, assuming shits off cd I like to block, and pop revenge a couple times

[jagged pier]

no

[chilly brook]

Wait I don't use whirlwind?

[jagged pier]

[tropic gorge]

I also seem to ha e the habit of block then ignore pain when at or near cap

[chilly brook]

Better to spend rage on IP

[jagged pier]

but what if u dont need to blockl

[tropic gorge]

I usually do that for bosses

[chilly brook]

Than to cap rage

[modern brook]

there are worse habits to have

like the trick is just dont do that

[tropic gorge]

I'm working on that too. Saving it when bosses are Doing other shit, then hit it when they start turning back

[modern brook]

ip and sb are modular and should be used as such

but as far as bad habits go; maintinging rage efficency in inefficient ways is pretty benign

[jagged pier]

this

[shy coral]

which tank specs have the best levelling experience?

[wide pilot]

All?

[shy coral]

not too invested in 9.1 so im planning on levelling all tanks

[modern brook]

probably dh

[strong forum]

id also say SPB vdh

[shy coral]

so they're all the same? prot was weak af until like level 28 for me

[modern brook]

high mobility flashy garbage and self sustain

def not all the same

DK's opening zone is dog shit

cuase it still has the "level your one handed" quest

which takes anywhere from 1 second to about an hour

[shy coral]

demon hunter is like the only one I have 0 interest in tbh

[tropic gorge]

Warrior tank leveling is pretty bad without a good weapon and shield imo

[modern brook]

brew master also struggles at low levels

[ocean yoke]

double jump and glide alone makes them bis

[modern brook]

Druid is free af cause moon fire is actually cheating for leveling

Prot paladins is for dorks

so dont play it

[shy coral]

is druid easier than prot

[modern brook]

yes

inarguably

you dont do anything

you just press berzerk and win

[tropic gorge]

I leveled a prot paladin a couple years ago. Pre squsih obv, got him to like 40. No offense to paladins, that shit is brain dead easy

[shy coral]

guardian has berserk?

[strong forum]

well, incarn

as a talent later on

[modern brook]

new to SL yeah

it gets berserk baseline and incarn replaces it

[strong forum]

oh

[tropic gorge]

Druid is probably the absolute best. Every spec they have is ultra powerful

[strong forum]

"ultra"

[distant crystal]

idk man

[tropic gorge]

I won't go off on the removal of the hybrid tax

*mumbles

[distant crystal]

i think ultra fits for at least 3 of the specs

[strong forum]

2

[distant crystal]

not sure if you're disrespecting feral or guardian

[tropic gorge]

Lol

[strong forum]

feral and resto

[modern brook]

^

[distant crystal]

feral blasts yo

[strong forum]

those im disrespecting

[shy coral]

I may swap to a druid? I want to go with an easy one for my first ever tank

[tropic gorge]

Resto isn't bis healer?

[strong forum]

druid is by far the easiest tank

rdruid is like 4th best healer

[modern brook]

give it a shot

[distant crystal]

resto is p low on the healing totem pole

[modern brook]

Druid puts em to sleep

[shy coral]

blood dk looks really fun but heard it's hard

[distant crystal]

they're fine but they don't bring a raid DR or much dps

[strong forum]

bdk is just as hard as pwar

[modern brook]

Its very similar to pwar in that plying it wrong is very punishing to your sruv

"it" being dk

[shy coral]

looks fun though with all the self healing

one day ill try it

[strong forum]

the self healing comes from taking a fuckload of damage

in the end both require the same healing

[modern brook]

druid is easy you just spam thrash and iron fur, maybe throw a maul out if you're feeling spicy, still not sure if its worth the rage and it doesnt matter cause u still can thrash brrrrrrrrr

[inland silo]

blood dk is my favorite tank conceptually but it feels god awful to play imo

[strong forum]

any melee atk enjoyers?

[tropic gorge]

I tried leveling my little dk a bit. Ugh that class feels so wrong to me. I didn't like it

[strong forum]

if you like ret paladin in classic, BDK is very much like that

[plush tendon]

Hey.... shut up

[tropic gorge]

Lol

[modern brook]

imagine playing alliance to make a paladin 😏

[strong forum]

imagine playing classic

[tropic gorge]

No ty

[modern brook]

imagine enjoing video games in 2021

[strong forum]

this

touch grass

nerd

[modern brook]

honestly

[plush tendon]

the real strat for TBC classic; play war, main tank for your raid, have them siphon all the loot to you, then quit fully geared after 2 weeks

😛

[strong forum]

eyir cocks

[gilded tendon]

[modern brook]

I've officially ascended

[strong forum]

yo whered bull go

[plush tendon]

but honestly, that game is just a snoozfest, we 9 manned Kara with 2 people that had capped not even 2 hours before raid

[modern brook]

more like Bull NERD GO BYE BYE

ask me about sports man i love em

[plush tendon]

How do I put the puck in the hoop?

[modern brook]

with your hands, dweeb

[plush tendon]

should i use a bat or racket

[tropic gorge]

Why not both

Tape the racket to the bat. Can't go wrong then

[plush tendon]

Do i get extra points if I do it outside that curved line?

and if so how many

[strong forum]

THE DOOR OPENS

[chilly brook]

Yknow what didnt feel terrible?

Legion blood

[modern brook]

a nice game of pick up basketball

[plush tendon]

I would like to be able to change my talents.... its been 3 years since I've changed them

[chilly brook]

Basketball has always felt terrible

Wrestle like a real man

[modern brook]

IDK man i agree with sports guy

[radiant anvil]

Idk about all that

[strong forum]

basketball only sucks if you suck at running

[modern brook]

basketball is basically video games

They're not fun if ur bad at it

and only people that play care that you play

but you''re still going to shove it in everyones face anyways

[strong forum]

damn just like everything else in life

[chilly brook]

When I was running 2 miles in 13 minutes I still hated basketball

[strong forum]

fast af boi

[modern brook]

i had to look up if that was impressive

[radiant anvil]

He must run in the Olympics

[strong forum]

i was more of a short distance runner

[chilly brook]

But also, I was a wrastler

[strong forum]

or well, am

[modern brook]

this isnt a shot at you @chilly brook I just really like that its qualified as "not elite fast"

[chilly brook]

And wrastling season is basketball season

[chilly brook]

[distant crystal]

i can run a 20 minute mile

[modern brook]

lmao bro its 2021

just buy a car

[tropic gorge]

The first mile at 6m can be done, it isn't easy but doable. The 2nd mile however, oof

[chilly brook]

Tbf the bare minimum I had to do was 2 miles in like 16 minutes and something seconds

[radiant anvil]

It took me 3 weeks to walk a mile

[chilly brook]

But at the time I was working out 3x a day

It was ass

It sucked

[radiant anvil]

That's true distance running

[modern brook]

thats wrestling lmao

[tropic gorge]

My personal best speed, from my army days was a dead on 6m mile

I only ever did it once

[chilly brook]

This wasn't for wrestling lmao

[tropic gorge]

I wanted to die when it was over

[chilly brook]

It was to pass height/weight and a PT test

[strong forum]

400m run took me like 53-56seconds a few years ago

[modern brook]

gross

nom

[strong forum]

cant remember the exact time

[modern brook]

what the fuck is a meter

[strong forum]

your mum is probably 1.6 of it

[tropic gorge]

If you didn't get taped, what were you Doing with your life!

[sweet summit]

[modern brook]

🎆 🇺🇸 🦅 this is real USC hours bro 🦅 🇺🇸 🎆

[strong forum]

🇺🇸 👉 🚪

[modern brook]

damn right

we are the door to freedom

🇺🇸 🦅 🇺🇸

[tropic gorge]

❤️

[chilly brook]

Being a big boi sucks

[tropic gorge]

Yessir

[strong forum]

not a big boi here and can confirm being big boi sucks

[tropic gorge]

I passed Eveey test score, and not at the minimum.
But every time I had to get taped, except when I was down range

[radiant anvil]

How many freedom eagles does it take to get to Florida from Vermont

[tropic gorge]

But desert heat makes everyone drop weight

[strong forum]

7

[chilly brook]

Oh you passed your PT test and run 2 miles well under the limit and you still need to get taped

[strong forum]

taping the nipples or whats the deal

[radiant anvil]

Dang I'm 2 freedom eagles short

[tropic gorge]

Pretty much nomeratur

[chilly brook]

Oh you're 230lbs at 73"? Nah fam you need taped

[modern brook]

u can buy them with your LibertyBucks

[plush tendon]

wtf is tape

[blazing condor]

73” 😳

[plush tendon]

didnt yall just do the pacer test

[blazing condor]

The fitnesgram pacer test…

[chilly brook]

6'1"

[tropic gorge]

Man I got out in 04. "back in my day" it was push, situp, run your ass off

[cinder nova]

Anything under 6' is manlet and/or king of manlets

[modern brook]

T-T

[strong forum]

i see S. frequents the chan

[tropic gorge]

5'9 here. Come at me bro

[cinder nova]

Just be tall 4hed

[tropic gorge]

I'll knee cap your freakishly tall ass!

[plush tendon]

The pinnacle of American Fitness Education

[tropic gorge]

;)

[chilly brook]

For reference my 230 looks like most peoples 185@tropic gorge

[tropic gorge]

Yea you tall lanky ones carry weight better Than us sub 6ft ones

[radiant anvil]

At 6'1 and 198lbs my doctor told me I'm overweight

[tropic gorge]

Tf

[strong forum]

yeah and my 160 looks like most peoples 70

or w/e

[tropic gorge]

I mean I'm not a Dr obviously, but that height and weight sounds fine to me

[strong forum]

atleast to you guys

[modern brook]

yeah u def look malnourished ngl

[strong forum]

i feel 190

[radiant anvil]

Yeah it seems they believe at 6'1 being around 160 is ideal

[sweet summit]

pain pain pain pain pain

[radiant anvil]

I feel like you would be dying of hunger

[strong forum]

according to bmi im just below perfect levels

like 0.1 into underweight

[modern brook]

isnt bmi fake

[strong forum]

no fucking idea

[plush tendon]

dont worry, we'll airlift some Burgers and Fries for you

[modern brook]

Iunno honestly if it involves health, esp weight, i assume its fake tbh

[tropic gorge]

Be sure to check the date that bmi chart was made. If it's from the 60s, disregard it

[modern brook]

so much misinfo in that field

[plush tendon]

should get your weight up in a jiffy

[strong forum]

thats what you think

but lemme tell you

[modern brook]

🦅 🇺🇸 🍔 🍟 🇺🇸 🦅

[strong forum]

most people cry in pain when they find out what i eat and wonder where it goes

[sick sentinel]

germany has a city literally named hamburg

and then you call us "burgers" un-ironicall

[radiant anvil]

https://c.tenor.com/EVqe5ixH-f4AAAAM/burger-eating.gif

[plush tendon]

you're European, you arent prepared for what us Americans can conjure up

[chilly brook]

I'm not even lanky, I'm tall but stocky tbh

[plush tendon]

yall have 'health standards' or something dumb like that

[modern brook]

im so american; I thought he was wearing a red beret and this was making fun of the french

no lie

[tropic gorge]

Looool

Hahaha

[radiant anvil]

LOL

[tropic gorge]

#murica

[modern brook]

I was like "haha yeah fuck the french"

[radiant anvil]

Need me some freedom fries

[tropic gorge]

Just never forget : if it weren't for the French the founders would have probably lost the war

[modern brook]

If it wasnt for the founders, the french never woulda wona war vs the british***

[strong forum]

war talk

cringe

[modern brook]

🌎

[plush tendon]

so its the frenchs fault that we dont live in a post American Revolutionary world where we get to be freedom fighters for eternity

[modern brook]

wait did we ever define what being taped means?

[plush tendon]

I honestly thought you were being video tapped

[strong forum]

recorded for sex

[sweet summit]

[plush tendon]

I bet you could find the 20 Meter Pacer Test there

[radiant anvil]

I thought being taped meant he put tape over his nips when he ran so they didn't rub on his shirt

🤷‍♀️

[tropic gorge]

So, jokes aside. Getting taped in the US military means your neck, chest and waist/gut are measured to get an estimate of your bmi

[cinder nova]

Look, listen

If you wanna get in shape

Just pick up heavy shit

and then put it down

[radiant anvil]

So basically a yearly physical

[cinder nova]

then do that again

[tropic gorge]

Hahaha

I knew that was coming

[cinder nova]

Oh, and don't eat like shit

[tropic gorge]

Multiple times per year
Every duty station change. Pre deployment. And iirc (it's been a minute) a quarterly eval of fitness

[radiant anvil]

https://c.tenor.com/PIDdLfO_yzwAAAAM/brooklyn-nine-nine-terry-jeffords.gif

[chilly brook]

Found a pic of me at 230 kekw

[modern brook]

nah you look 185 bro

[tropic gorge]

No no, thats deff 230

[blazing condor]

230 isnt that much ilvl anymore

[tropic gorge]

Lol

[cinder nova]

lOL

I'm dead

[modern brook]

lmao

[chilly brook]

[chilly brook]

Oof

[tropic gorge]

I mean no offense

[chrome falcon]

wish me luck gang i'm gonna go do a 19 with a 226 shield

i'll be waiting for you in the hall of valor

[short kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-chaldea-chaldea-rathskeller-yo-lons-gif-19440268

[night pebble]

Any of yall use the Shard of Zed in m+?

[sturdy valve]

@chrome falcon

[chrome falcon]

Ok but to be fair

Go spend like 10 minutes in korthia and that'll be 220

[plush tendon]

Just go kill Mythic Tara

[blazing condor]

I did and got nothing

this is all your fault

[plush tendon]

I take full responsibility and im sorry for your loss

im going to sit in my corner with my 252 Crit/Haste shield and Weapon 😛

[mighty egret]

is wft giga for prot

saw that chart going around

[plush tendon]

yes

with devastator

[strong forum]

that chart has been around for months

but for some reason its now getting attention

[chilly brook]

Oh none taken I'm a fatty now

No accountability to workout life

[tropic gorge]

Ah, civilian life

[chilly brook]

I really should stop being lazy and just workout before work

[plush tendon]

Because people saw Limit and Echo play with arms warriors and were like 'WOW, Why would good players do that!?"

[modern brook]

Cause enhance doesnt suck eggs anymore

It's officially only sub par

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-the-frog-pepe-yey-yes-cheer-gif-11930895

[zenith vigil]

do you have to do anything different as korayn to make sure first strike triggers

or does charge always work, the damage always seems a smidge delayed

[chilly brook]

Just ravager and then charge

📈

[dark lark]

Currently have a 233 Codex, 239 Aegis, and 246 Scale. Is Codex/Scale for raid and Codex/Aegis for M+ a good setup?

[sick sentinel]

scale is really good overall, giga bubble + aoe damage

[dark lark]

This is anecdotal of course but it just feels like Aegis is really nice for smoothing out damage more in M+ over a longer period, whereas Scale gets depleted fairly quickly in M+. Of course scale is great to use as another CD/external in raid

[chilly brook]

Aegis definitely better

Far more potential

Doesnt have a cap

[blazing condor]

Aegis > scale in m+

[dark lark]

What would outclass the 233 Codex then?

It just did about 3.8% of my damage in a SD19 while providing a lot of stam and some mitigation

[chilly brook]

Idk for m+ I'd probably go for a OPC or Phial

[modern brook]

4% damage is not enough for a stam trinket

[dark lark]

last tier my 220 phial was doing around that much damage

Albeit it's strength instead of stamina so I'm doing slightly more damage on the rest of my abilities

I also have a 239 Ocular Gland and a 239 Decanter of Endless Howling. Would you guys use those over 233 Codex in raid/m+? Ocular Gland seems trollish in prog or high keys

Also considering the 226 HM Tazavesh credential neck vs 252 haste mastery neck from Mythic Tarragrue.

Don't know how much value the main stat proc provides

[bright flax]

Subpar warrior here, I use and would still use the 239 gland over a codex. I know it can bounce down but I enjoy the 40+ haste

Id say if you really really care about performance you sim and go beat dummies 🤷‍♂️

[dark lark]

I'm just trying to find the right balance of survival vs damage

I also have to RL so I admittedly play subpar in prog in order to RL

When I didn't have to RL I would just go full damage setup

[bright flax]

Go ham, youll be more defensive from just playing better rotationally

[dark lark]

If I didn't have to think about RLing I totally would lol

But I don't want to be a liability because i'm looking at timers and health bars instead of my mitigation uptime LOL

[bright flax]

And dont hit SB on the eye or the mini eyes. Learned that the hard way

[dark lark]

Yeah I learned that day 1

next day we killed it

😐

[bright flax]

Disclaimer, this is not performance advice, you will be worse in that camp if you follow this
If I was in the camp where I cant handle much stuff (or piss drunk or smt) id just play the wall into HR and aim for 100% SB in raids

[cinder roost]

I would only play Scale or a cheat death as defensive trinket in raid, otherwise just go offense.

[dark lark]

Yeah I hear you. It's easy on reclear and stuff like that where even as a RL I know what to call out, but it's pretty hard for me to RL on prog and making spontaneous decisions while tanking unfamiliar stuff

Obviously I need to play better but I need to account for my own mistakes

[opal salmon]

What’s everyone’s trinkets?

I’m looking for a good second but limited on raids. Got scale but why is the organ ranked bad. 10k healing extra per fight seems nice

But I know strength >>

[strong forum]

"10k healing extra per fight seems nice"

its a 1min CD for 10k healing, how is that nice?

scale does over 25k per minute

[opal salmon]

20s CD

[strong forum]

yeah but it takes 1min to fully stack

so its not a 20sec CD

but a 1min CD

[opal salmon]

not really. You use organ, it builds stacks while on CD

But ya scale is best

[strong forum]

it takes 1min to fully stack, thats just how it works

and thats terrible

for a miniscule heal

[opal salmon]

Ahhh I assumed it was just per hit or something

[strong forum]

no, its 9 ppm

[opal salmon]

Ahhh understand. So even worse

[strong forum]

its one of the worst trinkets in the game

i recommend getting a phial

[opal salmon]

Basically potion is the same

Gotcha

[strong forum]

ya its basically a worse potion

matrix and aegis from raid are insanely good aswell

arguably better than scale even

[opal salmon]

Yaaa I gotta get raiding lol

I got 220 stone legion

[bright flax]

You can go to the same place where you got the organ and grab a phial. Make the dpsers envy

[strong forum]

im using 239 phial and 236 meathook

🤷‍♂️

big dam

[opal salmon]

Lol I might as well.

[bright flax]

Im jelly kekw

[opal salmon]

I got 233 scale yesterday finally

[obtuse monolith]

What are the ins and outs of scale vs matrix. Better burst aggro & absorb vs combo passive & reactive defense?

[strong forum]

matrix is a fuckload more damage

scale is more defensive