protection

[fringe marten]

So you'd have to stealth there, click and then invis pot

[strong forum]

Yeh

Assuming you want to skip everything

[distant crystal]

We usually kill the first lubey-boy

then push button and invis through

then all of the druids die because druid stealth is poop

then we rez them and go kill boss

[gleaming blaze]

I see a lot of Necrolords on mythic kills, is that good now or are are the top 0.1% just better co-ordinated to use Banner?

[jagged pier]

necros great

if u can co-orinated banner

every single time

[ocean yoke]

are yall running reprisal still for H sylv or using wall for all the magic dmg?

last week we had like 4 pulls so i didnt really get to compare, we go back to it tonight

[strong forum]

sylv is a wall fight

[ocean yoke]

ok that was my guess going in, good to know

[grim fox]

hi hi!

best soulbind for kyrian?

[bright turret]

In choosing between kyrian and NF my understanding is:

NF does more damage, has an aoe stun and provides more rage but it's spread out over time. Kyrian gets instant rage, phial and a covenant area you can fly in.

Anything other important trade offs I'm missing?

[jagged pier]

In a few weeks kyrian will be doing the same damage as NF in keys, ST NF still wins

[bright turret]

Is this because of souldbinds? Sounds like if m+ is all I really care about kyrian is the way to go 100%?

[jagged pier]

Mikanos givesa spear a 40 second cd but no its not 100% it which ever u prefer the most

[inland raft]

Nf brings insane utility in form of aa, there really isnt a right answer between the two

[blazing condor]

What will spear CD be on ST?

[fringe marten]

You can run reprisal for sylvanas if you want, but you're doing it for damage...same as mythic eye, on mythic eye the wall is probably the play for a while. It's WILD how nasty eye is, and then we went to the 9 and like 3 pulled it?! no aegis 😦

55 sec goodstuffe

[blazing condor]

Oh yeah im stupid

[fringe marten]

or? 56 sec?

[blazing condor]

Thanks

Forgot how it worked

[fringe marten]

is it 4 sec x 5 targets?

Yeah so it'd be 56 seconds.

yeah I just made my wall cloak before going into heroic/mythic SoD and glad I did..was surprised how 'early' i had to bust it out in mythic prog.

[short apex]

What are some good pWarrior comtent creators I can watch on youtube? Switched spec last week and feeling pretty comfy around 15s and kinda chill HC progress (8/10, starting KT on monday) but I feel like theres so much more I could do to be better.

[shy coral]

so devestator doesnt work properly until level 28

feels so much better now

[strong forum]

weird

[sick sentinel]

you learn over power 2, rampage 2, shield slam 3 at lvl 28

[shy coral]

yeah but the tooltip for the level 15 talent says auto attacks have 20% chance to reset shield slam, but it doesnt actually do that until level 28 where you get that upgrade

[tardy sequoia]

guys offspec Signet of tormented kings is enough having it at 190?

[sick sentinel]

rank 3 is when you start to get free shield slam procs, maybe talents only apply to max level spells?

thats last rank you get of it

Would Tanking Thorgast 12 on 220 Itemlevel be a good idea to get the basics idea of Prot and get used to WA's?

Without taking Animapowers

[strong forum]

if you dont take anima powers youll have a very bad time

shit hurts

torghast layer 12 hurts more than most raid encounters or m+ lol

[sick sentinel]

Or some at least, but none op - just to get a general feeling for the class

[strong forum]

id honestly recommend just jumping into m+

learning the hard way is the best way

[sick sentinel]

Do I gimp my group with bad weapon / shield tho? I'm 230 as Arms

Protweap/shield is 200 / 187

[strong forum]

the shield will hurt alot

[sick sentinel]

Yea that's why, but I wanted to get a feel for prot until a shiel drops in Korthia or M+, hence why I asked n_n

[strong forum]

its the thing that makes you the most tanky in terms of items

cant you buy 200ilvl shield atleast from AH fro like 2k gold?

[sick sentinel]

I only found 163's on my server, there's 200 ones?

[strong forum]

idk i figured since you can buy full 200 gear from AH

figured that includes weapons

[north rampart]

Lfr 213 shield?

[sick sentinel]

Can check again later maybe it's up. If not I'll do a couple more keys and hope for a drop 😄

[strong forum]

anywho, id recommend a real setting to tank in

world content and torghast isnt a good benchmark but if anything torghast will test you better

if you really want to

[sick sentinel]

Oki, cheers (:

[north rampart]

Thorghats is nice for remembering keybinds

[sick sentinel]

Sorry for bothering c:

[brittle owl]

torghast tests your opportunity cost discrimination more than anything

[sick sentinel]

^ and that Don 😄

[strong forum]

thats what this discord is for

aint really bothering anybody

[blazing condor]

Is any specific dom gem that isnt blood worth socketing until you get enough to do the full blood set bonus?

[primal cape]

is 5k a good overall on fortified?

[obtuse monolith]

If you luck into a shield from Korthia you can upgrade it 200->220->233

[amber herald]

it's decent yeah depends which dungeon too

[native coyote]

Ylva (mob close to the world boss in the maw) drops a shield with vers/mastery that is upgradable in Korthia too - it's an easy drop to get

[zenith vigil]

wait shit really

my 168 shield cries out

[native coyote]

Ylva's Water Dish is the name

[obtuse monolith]

There’s a damage shard in each set. Dyz from UH is worth it. Cor from Frost is ok for multitarget

[zenith vigil]

too bad i probably cant solo it 😦

[pastel sleet]

in dungeons, is the frost shards worth dropping ilvl for? how many ilvls?

[mighty valley]

which frost shards?

[sick sentinel]

he mentioned ilvl so im assuming its an item, trinket maybe?

[minor wyvern]

Hello all, I'm a Kyrian i'm wondering if Kleia is worth running with this week because she has full soulbind tree?

[plush tendon]

I would sim; by the looks of it yes, but I dont play Kyrian so sim and check

[shy coral]

what do you do to stay alive during the points where both charges of shield block are on cooldown?

[minor wyvern]

intervane

jump charge back

[plush tendon]

external, Shield Wall, kite, intervene

also, assuming you are using reprisal, both charges should be used up and intervene before really needing to all out run

[shy coral]

yeah I mean without legendary

still levelling

[plush tendon]

lol, stand in there

[minor wyvern]

ignore pain should suffice at this pts.

[plush tendon]

yea, nothing should be doing enough damage to actually kill you honestly

[shy coral]

really? I tried freehold yesterday and couldnt even stay alive at the first group of trash

[minor wyvern]

did you pull all the entrance at once?

[shy coral]

I went for the small pack that runs up at the start but I think a dps pulled the ones in the back too

used shield block and had to use shield wall but still died very fast

[distant crystal]

if that pack lives a while the poisons will clap ya

if you don't get dispelled

[minor wyvern]

that part is pretty hard.

kill the first pack in the door and after go up with the second one

[distant crystal]

back in my day we pulled all 3 with lust

sometimes you'd even grab a 4th from upstairs if you were feelin froggy

[minor wyvern]

with the azeroth heart fully upgrade maybe 🙂

not sur a bunch of lvl 10-40 can manage this.

[distant crystal]

yeah i may have had 1000 mastery or so every time i pushed avatar

who's countin

[sweet summit]

God i miss freehold...

[distant crystal]

It held up the best over the long haul

open floor plan let you get real creative

[wide pilot]

Tell me booming voice/bolster can’t pump with reprisal

[zenith vigil]

my god man

learn how to use the snip tool

or any number of image uploaders

my EYES

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[mighty valley]

Windows + Shift + S is the way

[glass plank]

I wish this class had a BIS covenant, I hate having to choose for myself 😄

[zenith vigil]

it does

night fae gang rise up

[glass plank]

I am leaning more towards Kyrian for the Phial. I feel as a Warrior with Charge, Intervene and Leap that the blink isn't that great for Warriors but the Night Fae have more cool vibes

[zenith vigil]

u do what u gotta do champ

[tardy osprey]

we are lucky there really isn't a "wrong" choice for covenant ... well other than Vampire boys 😉

I played with Necrolord for a bit, Fleshcraft is dope as hell. But Banner did not have the pay off for the effort required.

So I went back to Kyrian

[zenith vigil]

Kyrian makes me roll my eyes too much

Plus spear is a worse aftershock

I'm doing mostly m+ thou

[glass plank]

That Aftershock is pretty dope and it lasts a long time!

[fading dirge]

are you still able to reflect 1 stack of the heartseeker arrow?

Note says you deflect one stack, but then says you deflect it but still get all 3 stacks?

[cinder roost]

You deflect the damage but get the stack

[fading dirge]

ok just wanted to clarify the note. Ty!

[ocean yoke]

love when the passive shard i dont notice is 13% of my boss dps

[cinder roost]

Remember TD ?

45% 😄

[clear sapphire]

its probably been discucced endlessly but pre/post nerf if it goes through what is better unholy or blood?

nevermind saw pin

[cinder roost]

What about Frost 🙂

Really hope it doesn't change though, or better no nerf.

Or nerf it and put all gems back to R1 and refund embers, but that will never happen.

[cinder fern]

Just posted that they won't be nerfing the sets.

[ocean yoke]

i finally got my blood set this week so it was very relieving to see

[hallow smelt]

Anyone got a link to the spell reflect chart for SoD?

[ocean yoke]

im 4 pulls into sylvanas and i already miss reprisal

but wall is definitely the play

[fading dirge]

its in the pins

https://tinyurl.com/ReflectGuide

[mighty cairn]

the damage reduction is uncapped for 8s right

[ocean yoke]

shard is sick yeah

no cap

[mighty cairn]

i see what you did there

kk time to do some bear pulls in m+

[last mason]

love how these dungeons have been out for 9 months and people still jut cant grasp them sometimes

[wide pilot]

how much wasted rage are you guys averaging a dungeon? does 9% seem high?

[dusky canopy]

Finally!

[glass hedge]

would someone be willing to look over two logs for me and see where I could be doing better? and if so where should I put the link to the two logs?

[distant crystal]

you can toss logs in here

someone will get around to it

or i guess, #449510248579858432 if you want to be all formal

[glass hedge]

if yall could take a look at https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jn1G8LCHmJdQ9g4K/#boss=-2&difficulty=0&type=healing I'd be extremely appreciative.

[modern brook]

I don't have time to go very deep

But a quick skim a) cast more

48 cpm is low

Like very

Less cast less rage less everything

Also u should probably still be running reprisal in raid over the wall

But not a huge thing there both work

And condensed animals sphere is fine bit it's not better than the cdr on shield wall Conduit and should be your 3rd endurance choicr

Also you're running this vdr legendary for the wall and are still saving it

You cast sw once on 1st bos

If shield wall cd isn't rolling half the legendary is wasted

Further cementing you should be running something els

You're also wasting a lot of rage

I'm sure there's more specific shit you can look at

But if you focus on always casting when possible, using your defensive cds constantly, and not wasting rage

You're going to find your self doing leaps and bounds better than usual on any fight

[dark lark]

Mwahi's guide says that Codex of the First Technique is quite good. At what point do you replace a 233 Codex with other trinkets available, whether from keys or raid?

[jagged pier]

yes

[jagged pier]

what feedback do u want? on dps or surviability? general?

[glass hedge]

survivability on the 5 wipes on the nine would be great since I felt a tad squishy on those pulls and I'd like to make the fight as easy as possible for the healers.

also when would be a good time to use shieldwall on the nine?

[jagged pier]

right so first things first, your talents are half wrong

u dont run ravager in raid u run ITF

bolster is correct on tarragrue and the nine as u are running the wall

but for the eye u can just run aM there as theres no blockable damage

also

u should be running stalwart guardian conduit over sphere 100% all the time

[glass hedge]

yeah that was on accident

somehow went down the left path instead of middle path on my soulbind :/

[jagged pier]

u can change with a tome

i believe

but anyway

your blocked hits seem really low on the nine

and like 68% if pretty low

espeically as its very predictable when your being meleed

skyjia for instance hardly melees

but the other 2 do

so u should look into managing your shield block more and making sure u use LS as block because that what its there for with bolster

if u have reprisal i suggest u run that on the nine and tarragrue

also another thing i noticed the one thing we can block on the eye u dont really block at all which is the lance from the add

if your gunna tank it u need to save shield block for when u do

your casts are all over the place on these boss, with generally low casts on tarrgrue and the eye, but your casts dont actually look to bad on the nine

but u do have an issue with your rage management

u waste a lot of rage in these fights

more than 10%

u really need to make sure your not over capping

so with the wall SS gives 20 rage u cannot SS when u have more than 80 rage

u need to dump

into IP or revenge whatever u like

[glass hedge]

k that makes sense I was turbo fucking my rotation then because I was prioritizing shieldslam over revenge basically no matter what :/ which would explain the wasted rage.

[jagged pier]

and in terms of CD usage they should be use rotationally as much as possible, for instance in some fights like the eye u want to save a cd for deathlink etc, but on the nine there isnt really a big hit so u can use them rotationally when your approaching that last stack before u taunt swap

[glass hedge]

ok

[mighty valley]

you should generally still prioritize SS over a revenge, just drop rage with IP first, it's off gcd so you can do it whenever

[ionic fern]

Don't trust that Mwahi guy, seems suspicious.
Jokes aside - you WILL drop it eventually due to the trinket choices we have, e.g
Aegis
Scale
Old Soul
etc. 🙂

If i got a similar (or even lower) ilvl Aegis i would equip it in a heart beat for example. 🤷

[zenith vigil]

i just rerolled to warrior after playing 9.0 as fotm dh and just got scale in m0

based

scale gang rise up

[ionic fern]

Oh cool!

Almost like me - only that i did like 50 runs more.

🙂

[glass hedge]

ty for the help guys ❤️

[jagged pier]

scale is trash compared to aegis

[zenith vigil]

I was gonna fotm reroll to druid cuz my boomy was already geared up in 9.0

[jagged pier]

aegis is fucking dumb OP

[zenith vigil]

but then i was like wait bae protwar is viable, goat

I don't raid

so scale is where it's at

[ionic fern]

PROT WARR HAS ALWAYS BEEN VIABLE

SMH

[mighty valley]

aegis is the god trinket in m+

[jagged pier]

LFR aegis is busted

and yes it has always been viable

[zenith vigil]

how can u say something like this, did a world first guild even run one in 9.0?

swmh

[jagged pier]

yes

[zenith vigil]

🤔 😄

[ionic fern]

Yes but this means you would have to do LFR. 😦

[jagged pier]

limit used it

[zenith vigil]

yes jakey

that was the joke

https://tenor.com/view/over-my-head-no-nope-gif-7356334

[jagged pier]

🤷

[ionic fern]

Too early in the morning for Jakey.

[jagged pier]

alot of ppl dont think it true even though limit did

[zenith vigil]

although to be fair, they used it because it could hop platforms and because they needed the raid buffs

not because it was good

not that it was bad

just...not why it was used 😄

[mighty valley]

maybe hopping + raid buffs is all you need to be good

[jagged pier]

it doesnt matter why it was used it just proved that any tank was fine for the content

🤷

[ionic fern]

What it did was show that any tank can do it. 🤷

[zenith vigil]

also, I'm pretty sure prot warriors in 9.0 in m+ got the short end of the stick, i never saw one even close

to top rio

[ionic fern]

And that's what we've been saying forever

But people go

"HURR DURR TIER LISTS HURR DURR STREAMERS"

[jagged pier]

yer plka wasnt doing 23s and 24s before most other ppl

on a venthyr warrior

🤔

prot was bad in 9.0

[ionic fern]

But jeah, our perception is still horrible.

[jagged pier]

TLDR we were fine in 9.0

just needed to be played correctly

[zenith vigil]

even with us in THIRD on m+ tier list for 9.1 for ICY VEINS GAMING WEBSITE?

[jagged pier]

TIER LISTS KEK

[ionic fern]

Tier lists should be like this:
S tier - everyone

Done.

[jagged pier]

F tier

[zenith vigil]

no

[jagged pier]

all tanks are bad

[zenith vigil]

prot paladin will never be viable

🤌

[ionic fern]

😂

[zenith vigil]

tbf, i played prot pala for the first weeks of 9.0 and when i got to actual hard content my asscheeks were being blasted apart

that shit trucks on damage but is unforgiving as hell

https://raider.io/characters/eu/gordunni/Тифпасс#season=season-sl-2

rank 2

attaboy

based

why is he taking those specific conduits @ionic fern do you know?

[ionic fern]

Wdym specific?

It's what's suggested. 👀

[zenith vigil]

wait

WAIT

I am dumb, carry on

[ionic fern]

So am i.
I just have a orange name so people for some reason listen to me.

[cinder nova]

It's the baldness. People listen to Asmon because he's balding.

Before you know it he'll be in here as an orange name in #fury

Just needs to thin out a little more.

[ionic fern]

Makes sense.

[fringe marten]

Holy crap I want that warriors luck

The russian dude~ Look at his gear...he's obviously gone hard on versa; but forget every bit of it..On his ONE KILL of mythic remnant (what we're progging on now) He got the BiS chest. WHAT? I went 3 heroic, 3 normal clears..3 kills on mythic tarragrue/eye/9 and I got a heroic glove~

I had to have people TRADE me gear to get my 3 piece.

[cinder nova]

Just get lucky bro

ezpz

[little ermine]

I’m getting geared by the two hpal in my raid 🤣

[fringe marten]

..and he's Dark iron..like he SHOULD BE. I miss being dark iron so bad..being horde is garbo. Who cares if the entire wow community is here...I don't have a firebeard and I can't delete bleeds whenever I friggin' want.

[cinder nova]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HHzN_MPtM

[tawdry dirge]

on what key lvls u go BV and where you guys use BSC

[fringe marten]

You know he's not wrong; if I were more skillful we could have killed more mythic bosses earlier, maybe won world first race...and have simply gotten MORE gear.

It's not about the key level it's about the legendary you use; BSC synergizes so well with reprisal it provides better damage than BV.

[cinder nova]

I mean, that's not why we use REp

We use Rep because it provides more ShB uptime and lets us go AM

[tawdry dirge]

yeah dmg yes but isnt BV more defensive value?

[fringe marten]

RIght..but he asked about booming voice vs best served cold.

[ionic fern]

No.

You can still use DS for the defensive value.

[cinder nova]

You still press Demo

[ionic fern]

🤷

[fringe marten]

Jaycore, I honestly don't feel that way at ALL. BV is actually for sliiiightly more rage gen, and better 'up front' burst.

[tawdry dirge]

aye but no rage gen

[cinder nova]

You still press Demo

[fringe marten]

In fact during raid progression I've been running dragon roar the entire time so I can simply sit on Demo shout as a defensive tool and I'm not forced into using it for neither damage nor rage gen.

[cinder nova]

You are going to be flushed with rage.

M+ you are rarely starving for resource

[tawdry dirge]

fair i might try BSC once

and see how it goes

[fringe marten]

Most of the SoD fights have perma uptime on boss, meaning often dragon roar is better dps, and then you get to actually use demo for it's defensive value (lines up great with mythic eye's Death link timings)

[cinder nova]

Pretty sure Dragon Roar is still dogwater DPS-wise.

I don't think I've seen a single top 10 parse using Dragon Roar.

[fringe marten]

If you use reprisal BSC ends up being strong..and if you do what I do in any key under like a 18/17 I run seismic..and then BSC is Stonks~

[zenith vigil]

also

is engineering still the go-to profession in 9.1 for M+?

like, is there anything left to use thats useful that blizz hasnt giganerfed

[fringe marten]

I didn't take it for the damage; I took it to 'not' have to burn demo shout on cd; or risk half wasting a talent.

However I thought dragon roar simmed better on single targets?

[ionic fern]

Yes, most likely.
Or do the big brain play and don't level professions.

[cinder nova]

You took Dragon Roar to cover bad play? 🤔

[fringe marten]

I guess it's based on crit, if you crit dRoar is solid.

[ionic fern]

LVL 1 Inscription & Enchanting squad.

[tawdry dirge]

do thats the tree u run basicly in keys right?

[cinder nova]

idk I don't see a single fight where I'd look at roar except MAYBE tarra depending on powers

[fringe marten]

How is 'bad play' being forced into burning Demo shout on engage for your opener burst? Ok so now I don't cast it on engage for burst...so now I'm sitting on it, waiting to use it as a defensive...? ok now it's offensive value is being wasted...so why did I take that talent??

[ionic fern]

++
Can swap DT for Storm Bold and Bounding Stride for Crackling Thunder if you prefer.

[cinder nova]

You should still be using Demo on CD unless you literally will die without it on a mechanic

[tawdry dirge]

well no was gonna change DT tbhh

[grizzled skiff]

Hey guys! What would the Mikanikos Soulbind tree look like next week ? I feel like the Forgelite Filter Trait is gonna screw me over if I take it, but if I dont, I am missing out on a potency conduit. What are you going to run ?

[tawdry dirge]

way to nice to charge 2 times in

[grizzled skiff]

i didnt wanna reply to that lol

[fringe marten]

Death link damages the raid based on how much damage I take, so with a little IP/Demo shout..I don't need anything beyond that. It lines up with every death link you take. The rest of the entire fight I just get to burn dragon roar for damage/rage and never need to consider using another defensive for death link.

[cinder nova]

idk you're literally hamstringing your damage.

And deathlink damage isn't going to be the death of your raid

bad play is

[tawdry dirge]

so if i understood right BSC is overall more dmg but BV is more bursty

[cinder nova]

If you're that worried, run Wall on Eye. If you can pump and your healers aren't garbo, run NF for that fatty dot

[fringe marten]

Yup..as a tank that's what you want right? Focus dps and make the raid possibly take more damage because 'I don't wanna burn shield wall for deathlink" ? You can have your top 10 parses...I still parse orange almost every kill so who cares.

[cinder nova]

You do realize surviving as a tank is the literal floor of effort, right?

And that oversurviving is pretty worthless?

Once you aren't getting absolutely destroyed by mechanics, you should be focusing on damage output.

[fringe marten]

You're right..I never do that... Guess pink parse or better is all that counts right? Under that is the floor? ??

Do you think about what you say or just random spam when people don't do what you think is better?

[cinder nova]

You're talking about holding Demo Shout and running DR when you have a ton of kit that can survive it just fine.

[ionic fern]

Forgelite Filter and Charged Additive are both kinda horrible ngl.
I would still use the Filter as the treshhold of 35% is pretty forgiving.

[ocean yoke]

revenge on 4 i hit 4 mucho

[cinder nova]

"I'm running less damage on a boss that gets easier the more damage you put into it because... uh... ???"

[fringe marten]

I'm talking about using a defensive ability for what it's meant for, rather than increasing a front loaded burst, and as long as your uptime on targets is constant the damage difference isn't huge.

[grizzled skiff]

Thanks for your reply. Yeah, they both kinda suck. I just already see myself proccing phial in HoA and not having it ready for the fat hound dot when I need it...

[cinder nova]

Just seems goofy to deliberately do less damage.

[fringe marten]

The difference here is that running Booming voice on raid fights basically has you open up with it; on eye it was needed 10 or so seconds into the fight..so I just changed to accomodate that.

On something like the 9? Sure..we went full dps, that encounter doesn't hurt.

[ocean yoke]

ok do it then w.e

[ionic fern]

More or less - there's currently almost no situation where you would run BV over BSC tho when using Reprisal.

[cinder nova]

So, does your raid not have any healers that have short-CD externals?

[tawdry dirge]

even in raids?

[ionic fern]

Jep, it will 100% be punishing in some dungeons - then again you can always just swap it around depending on the one you are doing (i probably won't cause i'm lazy).

[fringe marten]

"the floor of effort" is also asking healers to cover your desire to do more dps as a 'tank'

[cinder nova]

Run BV > Open demo > call for an ironbark/sac > ??? > Profit because you're DPSing more and you're utilizing raid externals

[ionic fern]

Sim yourself for raids.
More than likely
BV/ITF/AM for pure ST.

[mighty valley]

BV is ideal for hipster venthyr prot warriors, that's all that really matters

[tawdry dirge]

fairr neough

[cinder nova]

I gotta walk away from this, you're literally doing mental gymnastics to justify doing less DPS because you wanna use a dead talent. You do you, man.

[fringe marten]

Covering 'bad play' as you put it..is having to ask for ibark or sac or something..very rare is the mythic fight where you are forced into burning your own defensives so frequently that you NEED to call for externals.

[tawdry dirge]

does sim include charging around like a idiot with reprisal?

[ocean yoke]

christ chill out if you use demo shout 10 seconds into the fight who gives a flying fuck

[jagged pier]

yes

[tawdry dirge]

awsome

[grizzled skiff]

I think there is more nuance to this than you allow yourself to see. It is a numbers game after all. I don't get the common sentiment that originality and creativity in playstyle automatically equal more merit than whats mathematically proven and tested to be the top perfomer.

[jagged pier]

BV/ITF/HR u mean

[ionic fern]

Never.,

[jagged pier]

😆

[fringe marten]

mward LOL ..the conversation is a bit more mechanical so to speak; but I guess he feels that your primary concern should 'always' be doing more damage..where my concern is "get mob dead, do not stress healers, do not have to busy up comms with "I need an external"

[cinder nova]

LOL

Dude

How is saying "Ironbark me on the first deathlink" busying up

Everyone has a boss timer you absolute clown

What a walnut.

[jagged pier]

part of raiding as a tank is planning externals on u

[ocean yoke]

oh fuck mechanics i dont know those i gotta bow out

[mighty valley]

remember when you had the instinct to step away from this bad argument?

[jagged pier]

thats literally part of your job as a tank

[cinder nova]

Jesus holy crap this is something else

🐲 new meta

[jagged pier]

for instance on the eye 1 pull in when the groups switch side, i was like external both the tanks

[ionic fern]

I have not kept up with your tiny discussion that's taking over this channel but keep it civil @fringe marten @cinder nova @ocean yoke .

[jagged pier]

intermission now is so easy

[torpid lion]

which covenant is best for prot warrior?

[jagged pier]

[cinder nova]

D E P E N D S on what you want.

NF/Kyrian are good all-around and pretty strong in M+ to both pump and have utility. Kyrian has more all-around and defensive value. NF has better ST (I think? Last I checked) so you're gonna pump on ST stuff a little harder, but it's only 100 or 200 DPS or so. Necrolord is sacrificing personal damage to gigabuff mastery-users in your raid. If you have 2 ret paladins or something they'll absolutely smash during burst windows.

[torpid lion]

So what about venthyr?

[cinder nova]

Venthyr is if you're tanking M+ but main fury in raid.

[mighty valley]

venthyr is for being cool, and attractive

[ocean yoke]

true

[jagged pier]

venthyr is fine u wont gimp yourself really u just dont use condemn on 3+ targets

[cinder nova]

It's definitely far from our most ideal covenant tho

[jagged pier]

true but we are also in the spot where u can play any and be fine

🤷

[cinder nova]

Yis

NF/Kyr are good if you don't wanna bother with coordinating DPS burst with banner. Necro is the big 🧠

[ocean yoke]

if it pump do it

pump is life

[cinder nova]

How much DPS is bear/monk doing these days? They still nuts?

[jagged pier]

yes

and paladin hgiher than that

[cinder nova]

Sounds sus

Jakey you a traitor?

[jagged pier]

nope

i have my blood set

i do more damage than my monk co-tank

cant wait for it to be nerfed next week

[mighty valley]

they pulled the nerfs

[jagged pier]

only got it on wednesday

[fringe marten]

not happemimg

[cinder nova]

Yeah, they full-on backpedaled it.

Not just reversion.

[fringe marten]

they rescinded nerfs

[jagged pier]

if u actually read the tweet

[torpid lion]

ya no more nerfed

[jagged pier]

they were coming he just did it early

by accident

the nerfs are likely to come

and then they will revert them to nerf the raid later

just u watch

[cinder nova]

Earlier this week, a change to the power of Shards of Domination set bonuses (e.g. Chaos Bane) was briefly applied to the live game. We are no longer planning to proceed with that change at all. We may make further adjustments in the coming days, but we will not reduce the power of Shards now that many players have earned and upgraded them.

They made a statement, Jakey

[jagged pier]

oh i didnt see that

[mighty valley]

yeah that was just today

[fringe marten]

was made tooday

[cinder nova]

Yeah.

[jagged pier]

well thats good i guess

🤷

[ocean yoke]

finishing the blood set put me a few hundred dps ahead of the other tank in my raid on its own

shits nuts

[tawdry dirge]

with BSC does crit get higher in value thhen? or not botheringg with it?

[fringe marten]

today~ so yeah, I can reinvest into my blood shards. I'm sad I went up to rank 4 with the Kyr gem (it's very good) and rank 3 with the Cor gem.. because otherwise I'd easily have rank 4 blood set.

[jagged pier]

stats stay the same

[torpid lion]

your other tank must suck haha

[fringe marten]

But I couldn't TOUCH more than 1 piece of dom armor for multiple clears so I was like ?well...better invest into this 1 decent shield shard.

[tawdry dirge]

cause my crit is giga low 😄

[ocean yoke]

@torpid lion stfu ur in my guild lol

[jagged pier]

same @tawdry dirge

[jagged pier]

i luckily have 3

but i do run normal every week as well

[cinder nova]

Only 16.6%

[torpid lion]

[tawdry dirge]

thanks

[jagged pier]

and dont fforget u can buy gloves from korthia

[fringe marten]

I went from just gloves, to having 4 pieces in our last clear. My vault saved me, and I was able to get traded a piece..then looted another shortly after.

[jagged pier]

not that i did

[fringe marten]

Me too

Except this week, and not sure when I'll be able to get it in.. I'd still lose the 3 ilevels on my shoulders currently to use normal sylvanas shoulders for all 5 sockets.

[ocean yoke]

the real hero of these days is lfr for giving me the shards

[fringe marten]

I guess I was also lucky enough to get the blood shard from the world boss? apparently he's the ONLY source of one of them? holy cow thats wonky

[mighty valley]

i cracked, bought korthia gloves, then hc gloves dropped same day

[fringe marten]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

literally same thing for me

our prog kill on painsmith got me gloves, shortly after I bought the korthia ones.

[mighty valley]

it's not like stygia means too much, otherwise i probably would have thought twice before buying them right before raiding

[fringe marten]

They also cost me 5k gold..I made a 5k bet with a paladin in raid that I'd get the 1h from painsmith since I got a 252 from my vault week 1.

[cinder nova]

Yeah, nothing like holding vault loot until after the raid week.

Great system.

[ocean yoke]

but now you get to accumulate favors from trading weapons

[fringe marten]

What giga sucks is that I could have had heroic KT helmet, but was FORCED to take the? the crappier chest? from heroic so I could get blood bonus 😦

The guardian one~

[ocean yoke]

having the kt helm is for losers and im definitely not saying it as someone salty they havent gotten one yet

[cinder nova]

STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN MY WRISTS OFF THE EYE YET

[fringe marten]

my vault this week was ? something..then guardian chest heroic, KT helm heroic...then some rando 252 crap all int he M+ row

[jagged pier]

i have the normal version of those

[blazing condor]

You guys are getting loot?

[jagged pier]

not really

i did get phial in PF yesterday though

so

🤷

[blazing condor]

[ocean yoke]

my co tank keeps linking his scale at me

[jagged pier]

dont have the valor to upgrade though as i used on wep and sheild instead

[blazing condor]

[jagged pier]

we dont care about scale

[fringe marten]

However...I did like a little prayer ritual before looting mythic 9; then got leggings /facepalm Guess I got nice legs for when I use 'the wall' again?

[blazing condor]

got lucky with wep and shield in vault so ive upgraded ring and neck rn for valor

[ocean yoke]

its the principle at this point

i want it so i can stop wanting one

[jagged pier]

but u shouldnt want it

aegis even from lfr is better

[fringe marten]

Scale is maybe cool for raid if you wanna buffer for absorbing mechanics or an oshit button.

[jagged pier]

in m+ anyways

and i wouldnt use scale in raid

[ocean yoke]

i dont have aegis either

he also has that

[jagged pier]

nothing hits that hard ither

[fringe marten]

But yeah..aegis is so ridiculous as a defensive tool in keys...it's bananas.

Mythic aegis would have been absolutely juicy.

[ocean yoke]

i like the guardian trinket more than i thought i would

it does pretty nice dps/hps

[jagged pier]

guardian trinket is big pump

[fringe marten]

I wonder if it will get nerfed, after the 3 people who watch the MDI see how good it is; and if the employee who would adjust it's values hasn't walked out....

[jagged pier]

tbh in like 17-18s and lower i would run guaridan trinket and phial if i had guardian trinket

[ocean yoke]

at least in raids its usually around 200 dps/hps pretty damn nice

[fringe marten]

Yeah I go dps spec every time for it...of course it doesn't drop.

Wait..you mean the defensive guardian one? the defense matrix?

[jagged pier]

yer matrix pumps

[ocean yoke]

yeah

[fringe marten]

Odd..really? the text on it doesn't read like it would be solid damage..but it is?

I thought you meant the ..bullet looking trinket; forget what it's called. The BiS dps trinket.

bullet/spear

Also old warrior soul breaking invis got fixed THANK GOD.

[ocean yoke]

yeah the matrix when we killed H kt earlier was 290 dps for me and 270 hps. weird fight so grain of salt but its usually around 200/200

[fringe marten]

? I never look at raw numbers..what % of your damage was it..where did it rank for you?

[ocean yoke]

for % it was ninth at about 7% for KT at least

[fringe marten]

7%'er is usually fairly solid..not bad then.

[ocean yoke]

not too far off from our fate scribe kill, not many other numbers from this week since i had to take the bar exam on our first raid day

[tame jasper]

In m+ around 420-480k damage depending of instance according to my own logs 🙂

[zenith vigil]

https://i.imgur.com/Elf7yc1.png

shard so good it appears twice!

[craggy pilot]

it was not in S yesterday when i checked 🤔

https://www.wowhead.com/guide=changelog&id=3092
3 hr 5 min ago: Updated trinket rating. By Llarold

lul

[stray summit]

New player playing prot. Wondering what the best conduits are for night fae?

[zenith vigil]

check the guides dawg

wowhead or icyveins

it's all lay't out

[craggy pilot]

or any top person on raider.io

[zenith vigil]

those can be misleading.

sometimes they do weird shit trying certain things.

imo, a new player is best served by the guides.

[craggy pilot]

something like this tbh

[stray summit]

Okay, ty

[ocean yoke]

the icy veins one is a pretty good starting point

[craggy pilot]

lul the wowhead guide is saying to take Show of Force conduit 🤯

and it has no Anima Orb conduit

[jagged pier]

follow icy veins

its written by mwahi

[ocean yoke]

which one even is the show of force one

[craggy pilot]

ah pog didnt know

[ocean yoke]

i cant remember the names of most of them

[craggy pilot]

Show of Force is TC conduit

[ocean yoke]

the revenge/TC one?

[craggy pilot]

yep

[ocean yoke]

ooh

[craggy pilot]

icy-veins not having Condensed Anima Sphere tho? 🤔

[jagged pier]

it is 3rd best

[ocean yoke]

everyone knows the best potency conduit is the last stand one for big execute pumps

[craggy pilot]

and why is it listging Korayn as the best soulbind?

[zenith vigil]

i wish you didn't have to farm specific conduits

[craggy pilot]

Last Stand one is not Potency wtf 😄

[zenith vigil]

smh

[craggy pilot]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-mythic-plus-tips

[ocean yoke]

but it can be

[craggy pilot]

i thought Niya was the shit for M+?

[zenith vigil]

best served cold over booming voice

hmm

for m+ with reprisal

[craggy pilot]

for M+ 100%

[stray summit]

Hey thanks for the stuff guys

I'm also torn between ravager and into the fray

[jagged pier]

rav in m+

itf in raid

[stray summit]

I prefer ravager but into the fray is really good

M+ is what I plan on doin

[ocean yoke]

ravager will feel way better for initial aggro

throw it into a pack and charge in and youll be good for the most part

[stray summit]

Okay cool ty

[patent osprey]

there is only ravager

[zenith vigil]

there aren't other talents in the row

for m+

as i understand it

[craggy pilot]

just go Ravager + Signet of tormented kings, and always kite, because thats the most fun playstyle 😄

[merry ocean]

Does signet work with ravager?

[jagged pier]

not for prot

[merry ocean]

Oh

[craggy pilot]

oh lul, thought it would 😄

would be meme as fk hahaha

just go Kyrian Mikanikos with Covenant legendary, and kite whenever you have spear down 🤣

[merry ocean]

I find ancient aftershock and spamming revenge with seismic more fun 😀

[orchid frigate]

whats the proper way of dealing with the first pull in mists with the small ones and the tree thingy? feels like its jut hit or miss if the group can do it or not 😦

[woven bear]

I'm kyrian right now and I'm wondering which dps spec I want to learn/play in M+ besides tanking. I'm playing Arms right now, but isn't Fury better in general for m+?

[craggy pilot]

@orchid frigate i would always pull them together, except for this week where i split them because fuck bolstering bro

[jagged pier]

arms kyrian is 📈

[merry ocean]

Priest mass dispel in mists on the small ones

[orchid frigate]

yeah been doing the same

[orchid frigate]

nice good to know

[craggy pilot]

what does the mass dispel remove tho?

[woven bear]

Does arms beat fury in m+?

[craggy pilot]

wrong channel bud

#arms #fury

[merry ocean]

When the small ones die they debuff everyone and increse your damage taken up to like 40%.

[craggy pilot]

ah ok

but still doesnt remove the bolster 😄

bolstering the entire 2nd pack 5 times is kinda nutty

[orchid frigate]

feels like its smoother to just skip the first pulls 🙂

[misty charm]

is it easier to do torghast as prot or arms?

[craggy pilot]

you mean skip all the way up to the torment guy? @orchid frigate

[jagged pier]

fury

[orchid frigate]

something like that

[merry ocean]

Oof if you are lucky and have 100% uptime on die by the sword then arms 😀

[misty charm]

wha really?

[jagged pier]

yes

[misty charm]

blegh

is there a specific power i have to aim for?

is do i just faceroll through

[jagged pier]

its just faceroll

[misty charm]

kk

[median tulip]

Kyrian Arms is hilarious. Avatar, Warbreaker, Racial, Sweeping Strikes, Overwhelming Power Crystal, Rend and Spear combo. Crit for 30k+. Make sure you have Die By The Sword ready for when you pull threat.

[tame jasper]

My prob is that arms also uses Pelagos and switching 3 conduits back and forth every second daycosts too much energy

[ionic fern]

Good thing you'll be using Mika soon.

Tho i guess so will Arms?

😂

[tame jasper]

As prot or as arms?

[ionic fern]

As prot - idk about arms.

[median tulip]

From next week you should be using Mika for both; with careful conduit placement you don't have to change the socketing, only the paths chosen

[tame jasper]

Ofc why do I ask @ionic fern 😂

[mental scarab]

Even for M+? @ionic fern

[zenith vigil]

Imagine not being night fae

[craggy pilot]

why cant we be both, and just change like a talent, cmon blizz

they busy harrassing women i guess :/

[ionic fern]

ESPECIALLY for m+.

[craggy pilot]

would be cool if you could go Kyrian when you need to kite because of Bolster/Necrotic, and NF everywhere else

[zenith vigil]

yes thank God we've successfully interjected that into every channel of every wow discord

[craggy pilot]

🧀

[median tulip]

💙

[zenith vigil]

Don't need to kite with kyrian

Potion removes necrotic

[median tulip]

3m CD tho

[craggy pilot]

ye but for Bolster, the spear can keep the pack stunned for 4sec

[zenith vigil]

and with kleia it stays off for 8s

[craggy pilot]

and Spear can also help with Necrotic when Phial is on CD

[zenith vigil]

yeah true

[tawdry dirge]

if u play dwarf u are golden then 😛

[median tulip]

eww, alliance

[ionic fern]

Sorry what?

[zenith vigil]

disgusting alliance

[median tulip]

Horde4Life

[craggy pilot]

[ionic fern]

[median tulip]

I'm Mag'har

[craggy pilot]

[blazing condor]

👆

[tawdry dirge]

DID indeed best class 🙂

race*

[short apex]

PLEASE SOMEONE GIVE ME A GOOD PUG HOA ROUTE MAN

4 Depletes this week already

[craggy pilot]

"removes all poison bla bla bla 600 stats pr effect removed"
so if you remove 50 stacks necrotic, you get 30.000 main stat? 🤣

[sweet summit]

50 necrotic stacks is 1 effect

[craggy pilot]

aw man

sad

[ionic fern]

Who even removes Necrotic.
What's wrong with you people.
Just SB and take no damage..if the pack doesn't die before your SB runs out just blame your DPS'ers for doing horrible damage.

[craggy pilot]

😄

fucking dpsers

[sweet summit]

[craggy pilot]

i try to run at 50 stacks tho

[blazing condor]

necrotic is a dps/heal affix

[ionic fern]

When are we doing a key?

[sweet summit]

when are you horde

[craggy pilot]

panda best race

[ionic fern]

When ever someone wants me to tank for their guild.

[sweet summit]

[jagged pier]

[tardy sequoia]

What's the best shards for mythic plus?

[zenith vigil]

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

or the FAQ

[zenith vigil]

[tardy sequoia]

Oh

thanks

are they in order? i mean a priority

[zenith vigil]

Man I forgot about archimitros's pin in #general

[ionic fern]

I should probably re-pin it so it would appear higher.

[zenith vigil]

Unfathomably based

[tardy sequoia]

Like i got all 5 shards but only one socket 😦

which one comes first?

[ionic fern]

Not really in a order.
The general idea is take the absorb one into as many damage ones as possible.

[tardy sequoia]

shard of kyr then?

[ionic fern]

That's what i would tell others.
If it were me i would just go full mongo DPS shards tho.

😂

[jagged pier]

i would if i had them upgraded

but need to upgrade my blood set first

[tardy sequoia]

but I need survivability ain't I?

[jagged pier]

[jagged pier]

no

[median tulip]

Never do the ledge jump with Pugs, it's never worth it. This week take the Shards only with the 1 collector that you have to - those things are no joke with 3 stacks of Bolstering

[zenith vigil]

Dps is survivability

[blazing condor]

Is it just me or does it feel like no one is doing m+ anymore of the bigger players

No streams or nothing

[strong forum]

just do the normal s1 route

[tardy sequoia]

so in the end i take it you would advise to choose Cor over Kyr?

[strong forum]

should be good enough

[tardy sequoia]

damage over shield?

[jagged pier]

i mean few weeks off pushing anyway and no one really wants to stream wow right now @blazing condor

[blazing condor]

Yeah i assume thats why

[jagged pier]

like still getting gear and upgrading shards

[blazing condor]

But still

[jagged pier]

plka still stream for content though

[tardy sequoia]

upgrading it of course, i got lots of ambers

[ionic fern]

Just take the Kyr. 🙂
Generally the survivability part is covered by proper play - hence why we advise going for offensive options.

[jagged pier]

^^

[tardy sequoia]

Oooooh

[jagged pier]

kyr is dumb and at max rank will probs do more than stone ward as at rank 3 it does around the same

[tardy sequoia]

i'll take the Cor then, want to demonstrate myself I can play properly

XD

[craggy pilot]

if you wanna demonstrate you play properly, just go Seismic Legendary 😄

[jagged pier]

if u wanna demonstrate proper play u need to link logs

[craggy pilot]

what would do most DPS in dung? Seismic or Natures Fury?

[jagged pier]

NF

[craggy pilot]

or the Kyrian one?

[jagged pier]

i think

[ionic fern]

Okay, maybe i put it wrong. 😂
The shards are mostly just tiny additions - they won't make or brake anything..the bulk of your survivability comes from your own play not some external powers.
Kyr - the absorb one is GOOD in mythic+ and should be taken regardless.

[jagged pier]

the kyiran one does no damage

[craggy pilot]

it makes you do 25% more crit dmg

[jagged pier]

yer and u dont stack crit

[craggy pilot]

wait what? i have 17% crit 😄

[tardy sequoia]

Fine, I'll record some logs today maybe 🙂

[strong forum]

we dont have enough dmg to properly benefit off of the crit dmg gain from elysian might

whereas arms can absolutely synergize the shit out of it

[jagged pier]

its fun in pvp, plus u run with a druid and they have to sit in a vortx effect for like 15 seconds

[ionic fern]

Helloooo? New meta???? Stack crit = parry everything and benefit from Elysian.

[craggy pilot]

hahaha

[strong forum]

i meaaan, i do have 25% crit

:^)

[craggy pilot]

thats a nice meme build 😄

[jagged pier]

we had that in legion from that guy

never again

[craggy pilot]

40% crit Prot War

[jagged pier]

but in HFC u used to stack crit for dps

🤔

[blazing condor]

How much crit do i need to do +20s?

[median tulip]

maybe if they bring back the "push crushes off the attack roll table" mechanic

[blazing condor]

[ionic fern]

What guy?
The one who said to use Ravager on Mekka for the parry?

[jagged pier]

yer made a video

was shut down in like 2 mins

that was fun

[ionic fern]

😂

[strong forum]

yes

all the crit

[ionic fern]

12% crit means that i can tank up to +12's.

[blazing condor]

31% haste means you have the potential to time the key with 31% of the timer left

[craggy pilot]

i might go meme high dps build for when my guildies ask me to carry then in their +10 keys

[ionic fern]

Yep.
And if you add the percentages together you get the total probability of your DPS players being bad. 🙂

[craggy pilot]

76%? that cant be true, it must be higher

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8cd3s7wuEyGnks4ovxTXd
looks like Seismic is simming 5% higher than NF 🤔

in a 5 target sim

[ionic fern]

Seismic puuuumps in AoE.

[craggy pilot]

@ionic fern why do you say in your icy-veins guide that korayn is better than niya?

[strong forum]

yes seismic is our best aoe legendary

its common knowledge that korayn is better than miya in m+?

first strike OP

[craggy pilot]

hm ok, was told to use Niya but that might have been before first strike was unlocked :<

[strong forum]

niya is raid

korayn is m+

[craggy pilot]

niya giving a better sin for 5+ targets tho, but thats 5min sim, so i guess First Strike doesnt rly sim well for 5min 😄

probably should change it to 1 or 2min

[ionic fern]

Wouldn't help.

First Strike happens when you attack a new enemy.

Sims generally don't get "new enemies".

You are just targeting the same ones.

[craggy pilot]

well at the start it does

so if i do short sim, it will benefit First Strike

is my guess

[ionic fern]

So First strike only happens once while in M+ you get First Strike every time you get a new pack.

That's the power of it in m+. 🙂

[craggy pilot]

but man this sim is some nutty dps, 13k dps prot warrior

ye thats why im trying to sim 1 pack only now 😄

so see what burst DPS Korayn/Niya do

hoping Korayn comes out on top now

if they just made the blood set work in M+ holy shit bro

[zenith vigil]

imagine thinking dreamweaver isn't great in m+

like bro podtender is cheat death!!!

[craggy pilot]

😄 dont you drop all aggro tho? 🤣

[zenith vigil]

I remember when people thought that shit was gonna be amazing

[craggy pilot]

its good for raid progression

as DPS

[sweet summit]

dont need it if you dont die

[zenith vigil]

is hunt's exhilaration just 3% leech

or does it stack per enemy

[craggy pilot]

nah but Field of Blossoms is also pretty nutty

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3WhKjudVuX7KKfaachjKwa
on 1min 30sec Korayn is more dps 😄

so i guess i need to swap for M+

[zenith vigil]

man i need to find a fuckin shield

163 just aint gonna cut it

why can't blacksmiths make a damn shield?

[craggy pilot]

@ionic fern do you rly go Hunts Exhileration over having Condensed Anima Sphere?

[zenith vigil]

nah he just put the wrong thing in the guide to fuck with you

[craggy pilot]

just wondering why

i felt like the Condensed is rly strong

seems it heals quite a bit

[strong forum]

its aight

but i wouldnt call it really strong

[craggy pilot]

i see Pika is running it, but instead of Adaptive Armor Fragment in row 1

but 3 endurance is maybe for doing high lvl keys

[strong forum]

3E is defo better than 3P

[craggy pilot]

not saying 3P

but the difference is 3E or 2F

[strong forum]

well thats just a no brainer then

[craggy pilot]

how so?

[strong forum]

3E

[craggy pilot]

ye ok

but Mwahi guide saying go 2F 😄

with Hunts Exhilaration

[strong forum]

that then depends on the other conduit on the path

i dont know what NF conduits do

since i will never swap away from kyr

[craggy pilot]

3% leech

[strong forum]

hm

[unique shale]

what is sim aoe or single ?

[ionic fern]

Swap out the start of Korayn tree for the 3rd Endurance if you want and use Destrcutive Reverberation instead of Adaptive Armor Fragment.

[strong forum]

yeah that makes sense

youd then run 1p 2f 3e

[ionic fern]

^

[strong forum]

ya thats better tbh

[craggy pilot]

ok

i guess Potency Conduits for Prot is kinda bad then 😄

[strong forum]

omega bad

[unique shale]

i want to go venthyr kyrain suck 😦

[ionic fern]

Only good potency conduits are the Covenant specific ones (except for Venthyr).

[craggy pilot]

3% str is nice tho 😦

[strong forum]

sick fucking 30 str

[unique shale]

Destrcutive Reverberation heal a lot

[strong forum]

HUGE

[craggy pilot]

its 41 for me 😄

[unique shale]

or roll kyrain you can have both

[strong forum]

with 50% uptime

so its less 🙂

[craggy pilot]

🤣

[strong forum]

enjoy your 1/4th of a stat stick conduit

massive 30dps gain

[unique shale]

[craggy pilot]

but then you cant Soulshape out of combat :<

[unique shale]

i mean i can get 13%str out of it if i go venthyr

[ionic fern]

For us Conduits provide a choice of:
"Crap or crappier"? - which ever you choose the benefit is mostly minimal at best.

[unique shale]

yeah i know its suck since i went kyrain i dream about door of shadow every night

[craggy pilot]

Soulshape is just the superior door of shadows 😄

[strong forum]

door of shadows is a casted blink

idk how thats cool

soulshape is like 4x better than door of shadows

[unique shale]

just need a little bit more planing

[strong forum]

no

soulshape is just better in every way

[craggy pilot]

30sec CD on Shield Wall is kinda nutty

[zenith vigil]

its too bad we have to go left on korayn tree

[unique shale]

indeed

[zenith vigil]

soulshape stun would be dope gang

starting a pack every 2 min with 5s stun

[strong forum]

?

[zenith vigil]

according to MWAHI GAMER GUIDE

[strong forum]

you do this

[zenith vigil]

o-oh

[craggy pilot]

but its a 1 target stun kekw

[ionic fern]

#protection message

[zenith vigil]

sry im american and its 7am

no sleep last nite 😦

brain fried

not that it was functioning well in the first place

[craggy pilot]

i wanted to try and make a meme enhance M+ grp, which healer would be best with that?
Prot + 2 Arms + Enhance + Healer

Do HPal get any benefit from WFT?

[strong forum]

hpal is just better than everything else

[unique shale]

i don't like hpala

tbh

like shmany way more

[strong forum]

you will like hpals that delete bosses for you alot 🙂

[ionic fern]

They dont like you too.

[unique shale]

i know

[ionic fern]

I like holy priests and mistweavers.

[unique shale]

well if they are venthyr sure

[merry ocean]

Holy priests are nice

[strong forum]

the whole reason why pally is good is because of their dumb boss damage and instant heals during CDs

[ionic fern]

Holy priests and mw are usually real hardcore class specialists since no one would play one out of their free will so you know they going to bang.

[unique shale]

its happening again XD

[ionic fern]

Right @sullen valve ?

[strong forum]

ToP is arguably the worst dungeon for bear tanks

lul

[zenith vigil]

imagine only wanting top meta tank

[strong forum]

goes to show this group has no clue

[zenith vigil]

disgusting pigdog elitists

obviously it should say +18 warr tank

[unique shale]

In our dreams 😄

or going back to bfa times XD

[strong forum]

pwar is the best tank for ToP

[sullen valve]

This is very true

[craggy pilot]

people want Druid because they are easy to heal

DH are hit and miss

[unique shale]

Oh they can slack

[craggy pilot]

i have people in my guild who will not play with DH tanks 😄

[strong forum]

Druid arent easy to heal if they cant pull big

[zenith vigil]

warrior is easy to heal too

[strong forum]

and in ToP there are no big pulls

[zenith vigil]

you can either heal us or you can't

50/50

[sullen valve]

people also want me for my 5% damage buff

[unique shale]

XD

[craggy pilot]

well Warr DPS is kinda meta, so battle shout is plentiful

[unique shale]

monk with war stonks attack power

[craggy pilot]

and everyone played boomie because of S1

so now they all have to swap to Guardian because boomkin sucks 😄

[unique shale]

man those venthyr boomies are bad

they cannot dps a lot if you don't pull big

[sullen valve]

mw isn't effected by the warrior attack power buff :)

[unique shale]

sadage

[jagged pier]

no their dps is just on a strict timing

[sullen valve]

Also. Holy paladin isn't effected either

[jagged pier]

out side of their cds they do tank damage

[sullen valve]

No healer is

[ionic fern]

I want you for who you are,not for what you can bring.

[sullen valve]

Even if their dps is AP based which for paladin and mw (probably kitty druid too) it is (or parts of it are)

You want me for the kids

[craggy pilot]

what am i supposed to do with my life now that i done KSM

[ionic fern]

No...we just make such a good couple..me being bald and you with your lushious hair...:(

[craggy pilot]

i have 9 days gametime left

[unique shale]

start with raiding

[sullen valve]

True. But the kids are a good bonus too

[unique shale]

otherwise push higher

[craggy pilot]

cleared normal this week, signed up for a pug HC tonight, hopefully i get in

im like 4 or 5/10 HC so far

[unique shale]

i tried to pug but they are like one wipe and we are out ....

[sullen valve]

also RE the best healer
it really depends. If you're going into a pug then mw/holy priest/resto shaman are gonna be your best bet
if you know your group isn't full of idiots and you can plan for pulls then paladin is best
if you're doing world first shit then paladin bc damage duh

[unique shale]

i saw some shamny in world first

they are not bad damage wise

[jagged pier]

they give windfury

[sullen valve]

Unless they are choosing a legendary for damage on a fight a resto shaman will do less dps than a mw

[unique shale]

My shmany friend could do tank damage even more sometimes

[sullen valve]

in a progression fight (in raid)
in m+ all shamans take dps legos so it doesn't matter

[jagged pier]

when will bliz make enchance a tank spec

[unique shale]

engineer tank when

robot tank imagine

[ionic fern]

How much does a mw do in m+ dps wise? Is it just fistweaving?

[sullen valve]

not as much as shaman

also depends on the app you're looking at

Since details doesn't factor in down time

but iirc people have been saying they have been at 3+k

with details being the metric

[ionic fern]

Imagine having a healer who does damage tho :(

[sullen valve]

don't need to imagine myself

[unique shale]

My priest do 1.5k

XD

[craggy pilot]

its a pug community, so hopefully people are a bit more forgiving, its an event with signup and everything

[ionic fern]

Most of the healers are doing sub 1k with very few doing more.

[sullen valve]

Most healers believe their job is heal

[jagged pier]

shammy with ele leggo

[sullen valve]

also most pug groups are literally trash and take so much extra damage

[jagged pier]

expect i had one last night thats ele kept pulling

[sullen valve]

oh yes. you let 10 casts go through in a row. thank you

[ionic fern]

[mental scarab]

Do the small jump guys@bolster in NW?

[ionic fern]

N o.

[mental scarab]

Cool cool😎

[craggy pilot]

do the Torment guys do more DMG based on affixes?

like Fortified dmg?

[sullen valve]

iirc
Non-elite mobs don't cause bolstering but can bolster themsleves

or is that yellow mobs 🤔

[mental scarab]

Aha thats How it works

[ionic fern]

@sullen valve can we start playing only on ptr so we can do dungeons together?

[sullen valve]

ye brother

[ionic fern]

[sullen valve]

Just find me free time at work and i game

[ionic fern]

So...never?

[sullen valve]

Basically

oh mwahi did i tell you about whats happening at work