protection

[strong forum]

well you never had 2 options in bfa

[fallow cape]

oh

your right

[strong forum]

but people were worried that you could get 3x the exact same item in the vault

you cant, but you can still get 3x the same type in the vault

aka 3 necks

[fallow cape]

je i understand

[lament zealot]

Is bloodmallet worth using for sims for warrior?

[thorn remnant]

Opinion request: Would you all still use the same trinkets I have equipped?

[sweet summit]

idk which ones you have equipped

[thorn remnant]

It says "Currently Equipped" in the images.

[lament zealot]

the left 2, you can see

[sweet summit]

o

no

[muted arch]

252 haste crit wep or 252 vers mastery belt with socket

[sweet summit]

HUGE WEAPON LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO

[craggy pilot]

IQD good for Prot?

[sweet summit]

its painfully mediocre

maybe even worse

[lament zealot]

Salvaged fusion amplifier heroic version or power crystal 252 for prot?

Salvaged amplifier says its #1 trinket for prot

dmg wise

[sweet summit]

ya it is nuts

huge damage

[lament zealot]

I'm going to reclear heroic thsi week and then grab it out of vault if it doesnt drop I guess

[sweet summit]

id take fusion amp unless you dabble a good bit in arms/fury, OPC is a pretty good trinket for the dps specs

[clever narwhal]

zzz getting hakkar belt and IQD in box, RIP scale one day we will be friends

[craggy pilot]

242 IQD or 220 Stone Legion Herald?

[sweet summit]

iqd there

22 ilvl diff

[craggy pilot]

236 IQD also good?

just said 242 cus i have the valor for it

but not sure if i should put it in wep or IQD

[sweet summit]

oh

dont upgrade it

[craggy pilot]

i have 223 Phial of Putrefaction, 220 Stone Legion Herald, and 236 IQD

which 2 should i use tho?

[sweet summit]

phial iqd

imo

[craggy pilot]

when is it best to proc the IQD then?

when it gives stats?

[sweet summit]

yeah

u always wants stats ideally

paired with cooldowns

for obvious reasons

[muted arch]

whats the consensus on titanic occular gland

[safe thistle]

reactive defense matrix seems good anyone used it ?

[sweet summit]

pretty good if you dont dip below 50% often

[muted arch]

so in raid prog?

[carmine rain]

Hmm 239 aegis or 239 Dom socket chest?

[sweet summit]

idk, thats something you have to recognize

[sweet summit]

its pretty good in m+ but lackluster in raids iirc

[sweet summit]

chest

[carmine rain]

Thanks erga!

[craggy pilot]

+15 timed vs +16 timed, is that 10 point difference?

[muted arch]

you guys are upgrading reprisal first for mythic prog?

[main wasp]

I did

[sweet summit]

🤷‍♂️

idk how the blizzard score system works

[craggy pilot]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/how-blizzards-mythic-rating-works-in-game-mythic-score-explained-in-patch-9-1-323046

found this

wtf from urs its only diff of 3 rating 😮

[main wasp]

i know most ppl say that iLvl is king, but is it worth it to take a 239 piece with haste/vers over a 246 with crit/mastery, also considering main stats (so not neck or ring)?

[sweet summit]

on a ring, yeah sure

on an armor piece like belt/gloves/legs etc, no

[elfin nova]

It's 3 difference because of a 16 or higher in the other week

[grizzled forge]

this may have been answered i havnt been following in here for a bit but is blood link super strong for raid or should i go chaos i have a choise of either or

[sweet summit]

blood set>unholy set

[grizzled forge]

ya i dont get last blood shard till sylvannis tonight so prolly run chaos till then

unless it drops earlier

[sweet summit]

i still dont have world boss shard

[low timber]

Anybody do a key yet? Is it an easy week or a rough week?

[sweet summit]

bolstering is annoying as shit

but it doesnt seems like a rough week

[low timber]

Is it slapping the shit out of you or just obnoxious?

[sweet summit]

idk im eu

[chilly brook]

Wouldn't be any more difficult than the first week of fort keys this season other than limiting your pull size because bolstering

:Detective:

[inland raft]

Bolstering is annoying af but not hard

[sweet summit]

its just the fact that its bolstering+fort

usually its been bolstering on tyr weeks

right?

[inland raft]

Makes you have to separate some pulls normally do together due to different health mobs

Or at least chain them

Once health pools are similar

[chilly brook]

I think so at least so far this xpac

[low timber]

Makes sense. I already got ksm from tanking last week but I dont wanna just be some get to 2k and stop chump.

[chilly brook]

I mean it's probably not a good push week if that's what you're asking

[inland raft]

Its cancer in pugs though where people blow shit up wirhout thinking instead of target swapping

[sweet summit]

^

xd

[chilly brook]

Brother I gotta get my sweeping strikes execute thoooo

[inland raft]

Gotta kill all the small adds first this is the way

If elite isnt at 20 stacks of bolster while still >90% hp are you even trying?

[low timber]

Bummer, prolly just get to 4 15s and get back to my 7 foot big tiddy amazon tank in ff14 then

[sweet summit]

👀

[inland raft]

Seems blizzard redid the affix combos to be more cancerous since we all praised how good the combos were before

Totally were great

[low timber]

Yeah I dont remember thinking 'I wanna play m+ but this week is garbage' anywhere nearly as much in legion

[barren socket]

world boss trinket is any good?

just got it

[sweet summit]

nope

[barren socket]

wew

[chilly brook]

Bruh

[sweet summit]

weird country

[plush tendon]

So un-American worrying about consumption

[chilly brook]

They'll give me 5 grand if I buy a Tesla and they'll install the charging station for me though

[digital arch]

GIVE ME HASTE ALL TIME

[stiff bear]

Might have to raidtank tomorrow, any specific stat % i should aim for or should I just focus ILVL>all

[low timber]

Raid doesnt hit that hard imo, ilevel probably fine unless you got like 1% haste

[chilly brook]

Ilvl over all

Press shield block

Profit

[lunar jackal]

is it worth swapping to dreamweaver this week?

[low timber]

Getting podtendered in m+ as tank feels like I shit my pants in public. Shits embarassing.

[lunar jackal]

Not asking for keys

[sweet summit]

Id still play korayn in m+

And sim it for raid

I think niya is better

[low timber]

Not really offering a real response, was just talkin bout dreamweaver

[modern brook]

Lmao

Korayn I think is better in raid than Sims suggest

Lots of fights have consistently spawning adds

Idk shit about nf though tbh

[drifting glade]

Yeah not lovin this week I gotta say

bols/fort is just about as fun as I thought it'd be

[short kiln]

33 ilvl neck with wrong stats or 7 ilvl on 1h with wrong stats?

I feel like weapon but 33 ilvl is a ton

[drifting glade]

I mean depends on the ilvl numbers but I'd still take the wep tbh

if it were me

[dusky elk]

Is the cheat death trinket any good? Choosing between that at 226 and a meh 246 haste mastery ring

[sweet summit]

what's wrong stats

[sweet summit]

what cheat death trinket

[short kiln]

I mean, it's prob just neck, but I'm sad to lose 132 haste is all.

[dusky elk]

The raid one, I’ll get the name quick

[short kiln]

from Haste mastery to crit/verse

[drifting glade]

if you're losing haste it probably isnt worth

[lunar jackal]

@dusky elk if u talking about the fatescribe cheat. Its shit

[short kiln]

but 33 iLvl.

[drifting glade]

on neck

[sweet summit]

can you get a better neck by doing 15s

[sweet summit]

can you get a better weapon by doing 15s

[short kiln]

eventually? sure

[brave jetty]

so, Decanter is really good, yeah?

[drifting glade]

of anima charged winds?

[dusky elk]

Weave of warped fates

[brave jetty]

of Endless Howling*

[short kiln]

I'm flirting in the realm of 11-14s right now @sweet summit

[drifting glade]

right lmao

[sweet summit]

id take weapon and just farm halls for that neck higher ilvl xd

raid decanter is not great

[lunar jackal]

aka shit

[short kiln]

as a PW, I feel allergic to halls this patch

lol

[sweet summit]

its dogshit stinky

[dusky elk]

Lmaoo okay, haste mastery ring it is

[dusky elk]

Still dogshit stinky if it’s replacing a 230 alchemy trinket?

[sweet summit]

yes

[drifting glade]

probably still dogshit stinky

[sweet summit]

so thing is

[lunar jackal]

even more dogshit stinky

[drifting glade]

that alchemy trinket is not bad

[dusky elk]

Hahaha

[sweet summit]

you have to actually die

to use it

and when you die

you lose all buffs and aggro

[dusky elk]

Ew...

[sweet summit]

so might as well not die

you feel?

[mighty valley]

were MDI teams still using heart of alar by the end? there isn't really a replacement this tier

[sweet summit]

i dont know

[jagged pier]

aegis does the same as it stops a death in a big pull where alar u would p lan to die there

[drifting glade]

aegis is much better than I thought it would be

[blazing condor]

Nobody in here better have prot loot spec for fatescribe

Or i will kick ya ass

[sweet summit]

uhoh

[drifting glade]

were they running double active trinkets

in MDI

is that a thing that people do

[sweet summit]

please dont compare your gearing choices to what people do in the mdi 😩

[drifting glade]

it was more of a "i wonder if me running scale+aegis is an awful idea" but point taken

[jagged pier]

it is

[sweet summit]

im just not a fan of double on use

and its most likely overkill

[blazing condor]

I dont mind double on use but the trinket cooldowns kinda ass

[lilac sorrel]

PROT WARRIOR ILV240 LOOKING FOR OCE FROSTMOUCE GUILD FOR RAID

[jagged pier]

u dont need both

like u will have a cd or tinrket up every pull with just one

[drifting glade]

i see, thanks

[blazing condor]

I have gotten zero loot entire patch

Im like 231

[next shard]

226 shard of annhylde or 226 dom helm

[jagged pier]

do u have gems?

[next shard]

yea dyz tel and bek

i think are the ones i have

[mighty valley]

you're less likely to see shard again since there are two dom helms

if that changes anything

[jagged pier]

true but if he had 2 sockets and 3 blood gems

i would say go helm but he dont

[mighty valley]

oh yeah if it was gonna give you a set bonus, slam that socket

i'm sitting on almost every shard, but just two sockets...

[next shard]

OH no it would be my first and its the unholy helm

[jagged pier]

go aegis

[next shard]

gotcha

ty

[mighty valley]

well, do you do m+?

[next shard]

yea warrior was alt made for M+

[mighty valley]

ok perfect

aegis is the god m+ trinket

[jagged pier]

yes its better than scale

yes its better than al'ar

incase u were wondering

[next shard]

do people pair with blood spattered

[jagged pier]

no

u dont double on use

its pointless

[next shard]

mmk

[jagged pier]

aegis is the same cd as SW

so u basically have 1 up every pack

there is 0 need

for scale

[next shard]

makes sense

[jagged pier]

scale is better in raid though

[next shard]

ty ty new to prot warrior so this helps

[tranquil leaf]

252 decanter with avoidance in my box today.🤷‍♂️

[next shard]

😮

[mighty valley]

I got literally all rings & necks in my vault this week

but 252 death god's signet is p good

[tranquil leaf]

aye nice

[jagged pier]

im not even gunna open my vault till i kill mythci tarra next week

[tranquil leaf]

my aoe dps is gunnas be nuts

i also have 13% avoidance now lol

[mighty valley]

if there'd been a shield in there i would've held off

but no. shields have been removed from the game this patch

[tranquil leaf]

XD

[jagged pier]

yer but thats why u dont open it

cause if uget shield u can open as fury

for a chance at phial

[mighty valley]

yeah fair enough

phial is so busted, 220 phial is simming better than most of the new trinkets at 252

[jagged pier]

yes

[coarse flame]

im about to craft reprisal what stats should i go for?

only tanking m+

[jagged pier]

haste vers

[coarse flame]

ty vm

[winged pagoda]

guys is banner any good?

[sweet summit]

if you hit the right people at the right time yeah for sure

[jagged pier]

if u hit the correct people and they have everything set up and u do that everytime its great for raid

u also cant pre use it before pull

[winged pagoda]

theres this prot warrior in my guild

calling it best covenant

[jagged pier]

hes wrong

[plush tendon]

Kind of sus not going to lie

[tropic gorge]

Anyone get anything spectacular this week from their vault?

I'm not sure about the banner, but the spear is amazing for a prot war

[strong forum]

Getting my 252 2h weppy tomorrow

🤞

[tropic gorge]

Good luck!

[craggy pilot]

which one is better?

[weary cipher]

so is the unholy or blood sets better dps for prot war?

[brave jetty]

blood is slightly better i believe

but both are miles above frost

[weary cipher]

i have both so im trying to figureout wich 1 to upgrade

[distant crystal]

i think blood is a good bit better than frost

[jagged pier]

the dom socket one

[distant crystal]

for dmg at least

[sweet summit]

frost is giga shit

blood is best, unholy a bit behind blood

[jagged pier]

that absorb one isnt shit though

[craggy pilot]

i have another dom socket one without a socket in it, couldnt i just move the socket there?

[jagged pier]

u cant move sockets

[craggy pilot]

cant i take them out with chisel?

[sweet summit]

you can

[distant crystal]

yes you can move shards w/ chisel

i think he read that as moving the socket

which would be sweet

[sweet summit]

a socket =! gem/shard

[jagged pier]

^^

[craggy pilot]

i have gauntlets with an empty dom socket

is what i meant

[strong forum]

Then slap another Dom shard in there

Dom shards > ilvl

Unless it's the leech/speed ones

[violet violet]

What are our bis rings this tier? From either dungeons or raid, assuming equal ilvl. Stitchflesh and ?

I’m guessing whatever gives the most haste?

Since there are no other haste/vers rings

[sweet summit]

stitchfest and kinda just any high haste ring

[oak lotus]

If u want big dam, TOP's haste/crit ring is good

Also the nine's ring is pretty haste heavy

[violet violet]

Is crit high prio for damage?

[primal cape]

fortified bolstering, what a nice combo

[jagged pier]

your play is higher prio for damage

[buoyant pasture]

Woo! 249 Phial in my box

All those plaguefall runs last week paid off

[jagged pier]

has nothing to do with what u run

[buoyant pasture]

In 9.0 wasn't it skewed a little to favor dungeon drops from dungeons you ran

[jagged pier]

nope

[violet violet]

Completely random. Equal chance at every dungeon piece in every slot

[buoyant pasture]

Well all right then

My 252 was anima field emitter but I don't think I can pass on Phial

[woven bear]

I guess the bonus justifies the ilvl downgrade?

[strong forum]

dom > ilvl

[thorn remnant]

I'm a Necro prot warrior swapping covenants after my raid tonight.

Banner is baller if you have sweet coordination with people who benefit from it most... but in my environment, that has been way more effort than it's worth so the value of banner drops significantly for me.

[strong forum]

👏

[patent osprey]

[modern brook]

fuck all that

Only problem with banner is its on gcd

😠

and its not spear

or condemn

or aa

and u need glory for it to be worth while

but fleshcraft is kinda pog and plague man is the homie

[hollow pine]

I can not not be a hippo

Also people will probably die to mechanics if we have to coordinate banners

[modern brook]

honestly fuck ur ranged

give it to the ret pally and feral druid

they deserve for still playing those classes

[mighty valley]

feral druids are usually great because they're definitely definitely not there for some fotm thing

while ret paladins are just the easy dps spec of the most popular class

[modern brook]

i havent een a ret paladin in almost 2 years

granted i make ita point to never invite them to my groups

I dont pug Rets, Hunters, or mages full stop

[distant crystal]

i'm pretty sure ret pally

is the most popular 1trick in the game

i've known so many forever retpally mains

[modern brook]

smh

[wild hemlock]

we actually have some ballin rets in our guild

1 disgusting feral as well.... who just a 252 wep today. excited to see him rip tonight

[glass plank]

I wanna main a Prot Warrior 😄

[distant crystal]

threads O_o

[modern brook]

Do it

[mighty valley]

the most fun keys I did last season were with a feral druid healer

it's pretty close to running 4x dps + tank

[lucid lance]

Is Unleashed Tyranny no longer spell reflectable?

Or how I'M the only who can't do it

my group pull the chains, they blow up. And I got the dmg even if I have SP on

[safe thistle]

you cant reflect it since its aoe but the 20% reduce magic dmg of sr work on it

[shut summit]

it only reflects the damage from breaking your own chain iirc

[crystal turret]

Assuming the same ilv shards, if I’m dps oriented in raids, does the blood or unholy set do more damage?

[mighty valley]

if you're only caring about dps you can just sim that, right?

[crystal turret]

I don’t have all the pieces and their isn’t an option to sim set bonuses?

[craggy pilot]

which should i use?

[crystal turret]

Nvm, unholy set got ninja nerfed

[sweet summit]

233+230

[crystal turret]

^

[craggy pilot]

thought so 🙂

[blazing condor]

It sucks that you cant just go ilvl on jewlery : p

[sweet summit]

you can

but haste owns

[blazing condor]

You can play without jewelry too but thats just stupid

[ancient pasture]

Are 239 domination pieces worth more than a 252 of the same slot, for M+ specifically? Assuming fully upgraded shards

[sweet summit]

hard to tell now with the stealth nerf

but maybe

[ancient pasture]

stealth nerf was only to the set bonuses no?

which don't work in M+ anyway

[sweet summit]

oh you right

[carmine rain]

Won't Dom socket always win even for m+?

[sweet summit]

i think they do

[carmine rain]

The value of those gems are huge

Even without bonus

[mellow bridge]

where do you see that

[sweet summit]

in game

[ancient pasture]

tooltip changed ya

[mellow bridge]

oh

[raven ore]

~~Domination sets have been nerfed on live servers. ~~
Unholy was nerfed by 50%
Blood was nerfed by 40%
Frost was nerfed by 20%

The shard nerfs have been reverted (for now). Raidbots is currently simming with the set bonus nerf. Which is slated to happen soon(tm).

Will update the pin accordingly.

[sweet summit]

cringe

[blazing condor]

ilvl stay winning

[mellow bridge]

damn

[crystal turret]

So given the new nerfs, does blood stay on top?

Wowhead says that blood was best offensively and defensively.

[sweet summit]

it probably still is

[strong forum]

ya blood should still be better

frost was like a 300 dps gain for us

blood like 700

so with those nerfs, nothing changes

they would have to buff frost by 20%, to be better for us

afaik

[crystal turret]

I wonder if that would make blood better even for dps specs?

[craggy pilot]

if i have 242 wep and 242 shield, should i loot vault as Arms? 🤔

[mighty valley]

how often do you DPS?

I mean, it might be time to switch for a chance at phial

[woven bear]

Does raidbots take the shards into account when I do a dungeon sim? I'm wondering why it wants to wear my leech charge and not my shard of dyz which increases dmg

[craggy pilot]

ye im thinking either i get a defensive trinket or a dps trinket...

i have IQD and Phial 223...

i do dps in raid

[sweet summit]

there is an option to turn it off under "more sim options" or something

[woven bear]

I'm talking about the shards not the set bonus. I turned of the set bonus, since I want to sim m+ but I want the shards to be simmed

[sweet summit]

they are

[woven bear]

how's my leech shard then better than the %dmg shard?

[sweet summit]

idk

link sim

[woven bear]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jdX8t87AiiZzHgNN8YRnxE

[sweet summit]

you simmed with set bonus active

[woven bear]

uhm it's unchecked

[sweet summit]

hmm

[woven bear]

where do you see that it simmed with bonus?

[north mesa]

At 54 renown is Kleia the play this week?

[sweet summit]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/47xpJFkX8gcCEChusPWihS

[north mesa]

For M+ anyway

[sweet summit]

just unselected the leech shard

wait thats patchwerk

[woven bear]

maybe leech is the new best stat and noone knows 😄

[distant crystal]

https://tenor.com/brBhQ.gif

[sweet summit]

bro idk why

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mzq1ST4ZTwoSTfecEre4Lt

but just unselecting it and it sims correct

[woven bear]

@sweet summit okay, then let's just take it as is 😄 thanks for your effort!

why Kleia for m+?

[sweet summit]

yeah i wish i had an actual answer 😂

you unlock capstone trait this week

[zenith vigil]

kyrian

[radiant anvil]

anyone got any info on the shard nerfs?

[sweet summit]

other than the message thats pinned

no

[sullen valve]

@ionic fern love you bb

[ionic fern]

[ionic fern]

[sullen valve]

new favorite emote

[cinder nova]

Any idea as to why they nerfed shard sets

[sweet summit]

its reverted for now

[modern brook]

U ever just real tired?

[cinder nova]

What the fuck is going on over in Anaheim lol

[sweet summit]

the where

[cinder nova]

Anaheim, it's the city where the Blizz HQ campus is at

[sweet summit]

oh

[cinder nova]

WAIT

NO

I'M STUPID

That's where they hold Blizzcon

[sweet summit]

oh

[cinder nova]

Irvine is their HQ

It's cool, warrior doesn't stack INT anyway

[modern brook]

Wow thanks android.

[sweet summit]

nice link

[cinder nova]

Yep

Warrior superior

[distant crystal]

so

it's not reverted

[sweet summit]

?

[distant crystal]

they just reverted the tooltip change, but it's still giving the nerfed stats

that seems like a good idea

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/121880895211831302/869702205593239612/unknown.png

[sweet summit]

@distant crystal seems to be giving correct stats atm

[woven bear]

The funny part of the season is over now :( spamming keys for ksm and loot. Now I have 236 on almost every slot and need to wait for the reset and vault :(
Also valor is not enough, just 750 per week really sucks.

[hollow sun]

yeah i feel the same

i got every key on 16 and now...

idk, i lost all the desire to push higher

[distant crystal]

@sweet summit wym correct

[woven bear]

I really enjoyed the past two weeks.

[distant crystal]

un-nerfed stats?

[next burrow]

guys

[sweet summit]

tooltip is 20
its giving 21

so

good enough

[woven bear]

Yeah it's not really worth it to push higher..

[sweet summit]

unholy set

[distant crystal]

weird, seeing lots of reports of getting half stats when they look at char sheet

[woven bear]

How good is the blood link bonus for us? It's like 250dps increase single target for me, but how good is the heal?

[sweet summit]

its the best set for us

[weary cipher]

Feelsgood when the nerfs get nerfed

[sweet summit]

aye

[frosty holly]

Until next reset.

Unless they change their mind

[sweet summit]

yeah...

[weary cipher]

I'm of the opinion that the backlash was stronger then they anticipated

Or they would have just kept the nerf in since it was alrdy live

[distant crystal]

anyone with a brain can see that the nerfs are justified

but...timing matters

[sweet summit]

its a justified nerf, if it was done during PTR

or even HC week

but not this late

[distant crystal]

or like announced today that it's getting nerfed in 4 weeks

or something

[weary cipher]

Totally justified nerfing it 3-4 weeks into prof

Prog*

[frosty holly]

Can't nerf now. Way to late. Ruins shit for progressing guilds that are nearly making DPS checks

[weary cipher]

Like the guild that had the 45.9% syl wipe during the 40min nerf window

[sweet summit]

yeah

[weary cipher]

Either way I don't mind a nerf if they refund embers

The nerf with no ember refund is the problem

Even if it's next week or a month from now

[mellow bridge]

That's probably for people that haven't relogged

If you relog, it's back to normal apparently

[haughty sleet]

Just buff the other two sets to be on even ground

The sets literally only work in raid and torghast no reason to nerf

[frosty holly]

Don't forget the maw and Korthia!

Dat rare dmg

[hollow pine]

Hope i get some sockets next reset. Full uh and blood guess i can stick em somewhere else?

[brave jetty]

That's unspeakably annoying and frustrating, the set nerfs

I was rocking t2 unholy and now at t3 I'll be weaker than I was before with them

[lunar jackal]

If the nerf goes will we still use Blood?

[brave jetty]

The ember stuff is definitely a hugely aggravating piece of it. I was prioritizing upgrades because of how strong the set bonus was.

Probably, blood is getting nerfed slightly less than unholy and we already preferred blood.

And I don't think they're enough to put them on par with frost which is already terrible

[sacred timber]

best slot for reprisal lego in keys?

[sweet summit]

legs

[sacred timber]

ty!

[low timber]

I see some top tanks running heavy repercussions now is that like a 'high key' thing or does it work better overall?

[stark sage]

its for high keys

[low timber]

makes sense

[mighty valley]

for most levels of keys, if you're playing well, you don't really need to squeeze out every drop of survivability, so you're better off getting the damage from AM. also more shield wall is nice anyway

but yeah, at tip top keys, you not dying becomes more of a concern

[amber herald]

I play rav/hr in 15/16s it's pretty chill

[autumn minnow]

hi, so i just came back to wow and are looking to play prot warrior in m+ and i kind of wanna play arms in raids what covenant do you guys think its the best choise for me kyrian or night fae

[gloomy cradle]

Nf probably

[safe thistle]

which one for raid would you pick i use alchemy stone and aegis atm

[quiet crane]

Honestly I’d say kyrian it’s catching up to the point now where it will on par with fae for damage

And much better for prot

[gloomy cradle]

With the mikanikos final row I’d imagine it is

[frosty holly]

Defo with last bind in Mik tree

[gloomy cradle]

But I don’t know the math

[near pewter]

Phail is also super useful for prot

[frosty holly]

I just love Necrotic week on my dwarf kyrian prot pala. Never have to care about stacks 😄

[slow hatch]

this any good for prot?

[dark lark]

It's okay

There are certainly worse trinkets out there

[lunar jackal]

Hey guys I know this aint prot specific but anyone knows what item gingi uses to rocket fire in the sky combined with glider?

[brave jetty]

There's a Maw toy for that

And expansion specific toys used in those areas

[lunar jackal]

Need the name fam

[slow hatch]

i took this instead

[thorn remnant]

I keep thinking I'm convinced at swapping to Night Fae and then Kyrian creeps back into my brain.

[lunar jackal]

found it ty

[humble zinc]

Looking to level up my Warrior and play as Prot for primarily M+, ~20's. Wanted to see how Prot is doing atm at this and what the perception of them are in mid-high keys?

[mighty valley]

Perception is that all tanks are good and capable of 20+

There's not a huge population of warriors at the top end but there's not nearly as much extreme FOTM as last season

[humble zinc]

awesome, that's good to hear

[main wasp]

is Mikanikos soulbind the go-to for Kyrian once we hit the bottom cap trait? or is Pelagos still the standard?

or is it mainly for M+

[carmine rain]

once we hit 57 renown will it be kyrian Mik for all content?

or will NF still be just as god

[zenith vigil]

dunno man guide says kyrian and night fae are equal

[balmy canyon]

How important is block as a stat? I am trying to figure out if I should take a shield which is 13 ilvls higher than what I have or legs that are 23 ilvls higher

[mighty valley]

Shield is our most important slot

[stoic relic]

Which of these three trinket would you guys recommend?

[mighty valley]

I guess it would depend on the legs and the shield, and what content you're currently doing

[mighty valley]

For M+ I'd use Shard + whichever of the other two simmed better for DPS tbh. For Raid, just the DPS ones I think

[stoic relic]

Thank you very much 🙂

[brave jetty]

Is Mikanikos w/last conduit outrageously superior to Pelagos for M+?

40s CD boosted spear looks mighty fucking tasty

[cinder nova]

6600 on H Soulrender any good? 🤔

I feel like I can go higher.

[median tulip]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU 😡

[barren socket]

so, is the cube any good on prot?

just got one

no hakkar smh

[crude whale]

its....ok, sometimes you get get a chunk of vers for 15 seconds or a big heal if you use it when low

[zenith vigil]

man the rotation without devastator active skill is just

snooze

no filler ability

[inland raft]

High haste solves that for most part

Im rarely in a situation with nothing to press

Especially with reprisal

[pastel sleet]

Press revenge

[radiant anvil]

I agree with treassach and broxdale, once you hit a certain point with your haste you will see increase in procs for shield slam, rage gain, and able to just smash that revenge as a filler so you don't over cap

[cinder nova]

Is Symbol of Hope bugged?

It should be providing CDR on Shield Wall and it's doing literally nothing.

[tame jasper]

Mission table for about 15 and you can craft 💪

[median tulip]

Oh I know, I know... just... frustrating

[cinder nova]

So, apparently they might still push through the set nerfs, they just reverted it instead of putting it out with a patch note, at least that's what it seems like on twitter.

Will blood still be BIS?

https://mobile.twitter.com/JeffAHamilton/status/1420132378291306498

Jeff Hamilton (@JeffAHamilton)

@LyonellKeplar yeah, it should have been with resets. that's my bad, i was exhausted and just messed up/didn't indicate that.

Twitter · Jul 27, 2021, 9:21 PM

[inland raft]

Yes cuz rhe nerfs will be equal across all 3

[modern brook]

P sure the nerfs brought them all in line with eachother

[jagged pier]

When they nerf socket bonuses before you even get to use one

[distant crystal]

you think it's gonna be this reset for EU/

i figured next for both

[sweet summit]

nope

august 3rd/4th/5th if anything

[warped moth]

how close are Unholy set bonus vs Blood set bonuses for Prot?

[jagged pier]

Blood is better

By like 100 dps

[jagged pier]

But the nerfs might change that when they come in

[warped moth]

coolios thank u

[jagged pier]

Frost might end up being the best

[sweet summit]

doubt

[warped moth]

but im assuming blood eeks out better for now in added survivability? or does the extra Str help about the same from unholy

[sweet summit]

yeah

blood is better defensively

[warped moth]

cool ty !

took me 4 weeks to get my Shard of Rev thanks World Boss

[sweet summit]

i feel u

hope i get it this week

[warped moth]

the way that I had full unholy shards + frost shards before I could even equip a blood set

[jagged pier]

I dont even have a set

[distant crystal]

blood was doing a ridiculous chunk of our brew's dps tonight

[warped moth]

I had like 3 sockets incl. the blood socket but no 3 blood shards

[distant crystal]

is there some wild scaling there, not celestial fortune is it?

[sweet summit]

how much was it doing?

[distant crystal]

lol it crit 53%

[sweet summit]

seems right

is that like rank 4?

and 36% crit is nutty wth

[distant crystal]

p sure ya

ya foreboding is 4 right

[sweet summit]

mans just stacked on crit and profiting

uhh

yes it is

[glacial swift]

Anyone know if there’s a difference in stats to focus on for raid vs m+ ?

[sweet summit]

generally its the same

[dusky elk]

Anyone willing to take a peek at my heroic Tarragrue log? Im only pulling 2.3k dps with ilvl 235 and it feels super low.

[sweet summit]

link

[dusky elk]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/G4XNzKwV1h9QfDRF#fight=last

"shieldmagnet"

[jagged pier]

Holy fuck u need to press your buttons

And u cast revenge 3 times

[sweet summit]

1 you died
2 cast more revenge

[jagged pier]

3 press SS 5 more times a minutes

[dusky elk]

I was mostly focused on ignore pain, he was smacking me like a truck

I was probably overcasting it tho

[sweet summit]

spot on

you are using the wall legendary and anger management

but only used shield wall 2 times

[dusky elk]

Still new to prot warrior so totally open to tips here. I was mostly using it right before overpower. IS it better to just use on CD and use the window to cast revenge?

[sweet summit]

you can block overpower, so shield block is often enough

but with a legendary and talent that reduces its cd without using it

is kinda a waste :p

just use it when taking damage without shield block up or taking "heavy" damage with shield wall up

[dusky elk]

Yeah no that makes sense, tbh I didnt even realize how little I used it in the fight. Felt like more than twice lol.

[sweet summit]

im just looking at the last pull

[cold zealot]

Tales from my guild...
Heal officer: hmm we could Solotank sylvanas heroic because we need more dpa
Everyone: we what?!

End of Tale: i now have curve and fucking solotanked sylvanas for it.

If you want logs for it, Check Exanimo-Eredar on wclogs.

[sweet summit]

LOL

nice

[cold zealot]

I did Log netter than Meeres in His boostruns.

[sweet summit]

[cold zealot]

Echo who?

But forreal, If any of you are struggling with dps raidwise consider 1 tanking that Boss

[mellow patio]

If you are struggling with dps so bad that you have to one tank you need to find new dps

[cold zealot]

Eh, it was mostly for smoother Transitions and the interest in trying. Fight still needs to be played really Clean.
Ofc you could replace dps nur of you dont want to you can Just respecc one Tank.
We skipped many overlaps that eould habe caused issued in Other pulls.

[tawdry dirge]

anyonefit with plater?

whhy i have the old blizz bars and the new one?

[ivory elbow]

Well just remove it then

Go to your interface

[tawdry dirge]

allright where? in combat tab?

if i untag this

it also removes the plater ones

and a second question how do i get the % of aggro over enemys back

[ivory elbow]

🧐

[tawdry dirge]

figured the plater thing a other addon was overruling it tidynameplates

but the aggro % on the taarget no idea where this is gone

[mint shale]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jdGVaR6LTPn1KhFC/#type=damage-taken&view=events&ability=352652&boss=2435&difficulty=4&wipes=1

Can any1 help how to mitigate Heartseeker from slyvanus? seem to be taking a beating as prot warrior

[jagged pier]

its a private log cant view

[mint shale]

my bad @jagged pier

ive had to reroll tank as our tank left the guild

[cold zealot]

physical component can be blocked, and spellreflect + 1 ignore helps to mitigate the magic hit
after that either you let the healers take care of the dot or you pump ignores (which you dont except you are solotanking)

[round vortex]

(Not prot related but you guys are my homies) Had anyone used the raid skip with the KT quest yet? We get it today and just curious which bosses it skips?

[mellow patio]

Takes you to KT chamber I believe

[mint shale]

@cold zealot Much to what i expected thanks for clearing that up

[tawdry dirge]

clearly the wep i guess

[mellow patio]

can swap at 3 stacks, on mobile so might be misreading log but looks like you guys are taking 6. No legitimate reason not to go on 3 at least in heroic

[austere wedge]

Hello mates. How relevant are the domination shards for tanks? Are they more impactful than the il?

[mint shale]

was somthing to do with wallin arrow he had to run it out so couldnt get back to taunt swap

[mellow patio]

He can have the boss while he runs out

She doesn’t move

[jagged pier]

very impactful

[austere wedge]

Could you please help me with a link for some reading material so i can understand it better

[ivory elbow]

Its in the pins

[jagged pier]

or icy veins guide

[craggy pilot]

any of this actually worth taking? 🤔

[jagged pier]

🤷

[craggy pilot]

im thinking the chest 🤔

but its in dom spot...

[jagged pier]

[craggy pilot]

fucking vault dicked me 2 weeks in a row 😡

[crimson furnace]

...any ideas??!

[jagged pier]

the wep

[crimson furnace]

got the wep from KT

246

so i am guessing the weapon it is

[jagged pier]

and thats 252

[crimson furnace]

thnx!

[cold zealot]

She does move... sometimes and unpredictable.
But you dont have to taunt to go out with the arrow. She might move a little closer but that is noch that big of an issue

[wintry nymph]

pretty sure thats not the aggro but just the % amount of hp he has left

[craggy pilot]

what should i take here?...

[brave jetty]

really though, is Mikanikos the no brainer M+ soulbind now?

[tawdry dirge]

No there was always a extra % for aggro over the hpbar

[jagged pier]

hes the no brainer overall he sims highest

[brave jetty]

that's only with the last conduit though, right?

[jagged pier]

sims highest now

[brave jetty]

a

ah*

[craggy pilot]

anyone any help with my shit vault selection 😦

[brave jetty]

does Bron's Call to Action fuck people up?

how far is the knockback? i'm concerned it's gonna dump mobs into other packs in M+ or something, haven't been Mika yet

[warped moth]

so im assuming this has more value in M+ where there are more instances of incoming damage as compared to raid where bosses only swing so much ?

[warped moth]

it can screw up a fair bit especially if there are kicks assigned. Might happen maybe once in 10 times but overall still never the end of the world

[lavish oracle]

Which is better, hard mode tazavesh neck or 246 HoA neck?

[ionic fern]

It's not as black and white - also depends on the stats on those items and what you have equipped currently.

All i know by looking at that picture is that Slimy Consumptive is trash and you shouldn't take that.

Chest is a dom socket meaning you will probably not want to take that either.
Legs i guess..or the shield if you don't have a similar/higher ilvl one.
This is purely just a guess by looking at the picture without knowing what you have equipped currently.

[woven bear]

I guess that's a easy death's god's signet pick this time 😄

[lavish oracle]

Legs is reprisal slot, tho

[fringe marten]

My vault, and someone who could trade bracers in raid..allowed me to put my 3 piece blood together today, had all 95 to 97's on heroic clear..only rank 3 blood bonus though. and the pieces I got forced me into taking my 239 chest from vault, instead of KT helm @246 =\

[ionic fern]

🤷
Maybe he has them on feet. As i said - idk what he has.

[woven bear]

@lavish oracle yeah I got a tier 6 reprisal there 😄

[fringe marten]

Azathoth for PURE dps I'd think the HM taz neck..just on gut feel? But obviously would require simming or serious testing.

(I prefer real world tests to simming, I just don't trust sims to be a reflection of real play)

legit what do you do with anima if you don't have the 'offerings' ? to buy all the cosmetics..once your town resevoir is full?

[cold zealot]

You can buy some mats now, near the vault for anima

[lavish oracle]

They just added a vendor that sells trade stuff

For anima

[fringe marten]

oh like legion vendor?

swag

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, I can finally empty out half my bags of anima items

Also yeah, Sims can be a bit wonky, pretty sure they have 0% uptime on the whispering shard of power buff because they don't spend a global to trigger it

[fringe marten]

OH baller you can buy 5 korthite with it? nifty

[ivory elbow]

Wait no one uses pelgos for m+?

[brave jetty]

do the non elite blightbags at the start of NW bolster?
I think so, right?

[fringe marten]

Cool so I'll be able to upgrade my wall cloak to 262 in ..? a week or two?

What do you get for a max run of torghast now?

[ivory elbow]

You change to milanikos now? Xd

[fringe marten]

I did..never looked back.

If we're going to use him 'going forward' next week..

I just got 'used' to using his tree 2 weeks ago

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, I swapped to him week 1 of the patch

[fringe marten]

so I was used to having those conduit slots to mess with /etc.

[lavish oracle]

I use pelagos for raid and dps specs

[fringe marten]

I don't wanna go "aww..I'm losing 2 potency conduits..and my spear doesn't feel as strong now"

Yeah but supposedly mik sims better than pelagos even now? I don't care if it's some tiny difference

if we're gonna' be locked into Mik..I'm just gonna' be used to it.

[craggy pilot]

@ionic fern thx,
legs i have 233 vers/haste vs 252 crit/mastery
reprisal boots
chest is 236 haste/crit vs 252 haste/crit

[lavish oracle]

The shield in the 2nd to last rows not bad either

[fringe marten]

No it's very good, Reactive Retrofitting

[lavish oracle]

10% of my overall healing in keys usually

[craggy pilot]

shield i have 242

[fringe marten]

yup; mik is just simply excellent...yeah bron is straight doodoo. but who cares?

[ionic fern]

What about your Shield?

[brave jetty]

reactive over soulglow?

is that right?

[craggy pilot]

242 crit/vers shield

[fringe marten]

I just run seismic boots in 15~17 keys now and doing nearly 6k dps zonewides in DoS/etc..higher in mists/etc.

[lavish oracle]

The knockback on phial was pretty nice for necrotic, too

[brave jetty]

not really

it's a waste because phial already clears your stacks lol

[fringe marten]

And it's just gonna' get stupid next week..

[craggy pilot]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/sunstrider/Pandafar

[ionic fern]

Then take the legs. You will get a dom chest soon enough most likely.

[fringe marten]

You have to take phial knockback is the problem...you just can't have that crap auto eating your phial; you just can't..it's too important.

[craggy pilot]

even though they are Crit/Mastery?

[lavish oracle]

When you pull all the slimes at the start of PF, it's nice

Or do the big pull start of wake

Or the double pull in the meat wing of ToP

[ionic fern]

Yes. Not like you have any other better options to choose from. 👀

[brave jetty]

just seems like overkill

[craggy pilot]

fucking dom sockets killing the loot system jesus... 😡

[brave jetty]

if i'm phialing to clear stacks i probably don't need to reset AGAIN that same pull, and if i have to I probably have other tools available to do so and don't need it

[ionic fern]

The gearing is kinda..horrible right now.
1 slot for Legendary
5 slots for Dom sockets
and you already have 6 reserved slots that you can't choose items to.

Ggwp.

[craggy pilot]

is 226 dom socket better than 252 w/o dom socket?

[fringe marten]

Yeah I mean..? it's some meme picks but you just have to avoid the auto phial use in keys; in raids? sure maybe...so you can utilize AAF in the potency there.

[brave jetty]

yeah dom sockets made vault kind of a feelsbad almost every week

[ionic fern]

Really feels like Tier sets only with worse effects.

[lavish oracle]

Autophial is also just bad, yeah

[jagged pier]

The guy that signed off on the system actually thinks they are tier sets apprently

[ionic fern]

Depends on the gem.
Also if you can get a set then 100% yes.

[lavish oracle]

Especially, on necrotic

[craggy pilot]

even in M+ where set dont work?

[jagged pier]

Yes

[ionic fern]

It looks like they took the worse parts of the tier sets and slapped something on it.

[fringe marten]

Nielsen depends on what you're socketing into it..generally speaking no though. If you have the full selection of gems and they're leveled a bit..in raid there's ZERO CHANCE anything is better than a 3 gem set+Kyr gem/Cor gem (or dyz)

[ionic fern]

Tier sets were atleast class/spec specific.

[unique shale]

double shield prot warrior let's go

[fringe marten]

In keys..Kyr/Cor doing MAD WORK. and then ? bek/jas? are very strong..then dyz

[jagged pier]

Exactly u cant call them tier sets imo, they are socket sets

At least tier sets were spdc specific this is just generic

[craggy pilot]

2nd week in a row, the best item from my vault is in a dom slot 😦

last week i got helmet....

[jagged pier]

Member argus 2 set and tos 4 set

[lavish oracle]

I hate any system that incentivizes wearing lower ilvl gear for equip effects

Even tier sets

[unique shale]

my none dom slots are almost mix out need to raid a lot of for gear 😦 which i hate

[brave jetty]

why

i mean i get it's a bit weird

[fringe marten]

But simply put, the difference between 252? and 226 piece of gear..except for shield; EVEN if it's a chestplate is HONESTLY a fraction of a % of mitigation, a small amount of hp/ 1% maybe of secondaries worth on each ? Vs like 2 or 3% full damage output? a very fast regenning absorb shield? I mean..no..it IS worth those 30 ilevels.

[jagged pier]

Eh? Tier sets are great literally changes how you played the class each tier

[brave jetty]

but the point of gear is to be stronger, not to have a higher ilvl

[lavish oracle]

Bad design

[fringe marten]

But no..40 leech? no 40 speed? no

[craggy pilot]

@ionic fern i only do 10/10 normal maybe 5/10 HC, so my chances of getting dom chest is low i guess, does it still make sense to go for legs then?

[fringe marten]

So to say "is 30 ilevels worth dom socket" depends on the gem..but the answer is, if you read the effects..you'll realize which ones are worth it.

[lavish oracle]

The higher ilvl should be more powerful gear, that is what ilvl is intended to reflect, if that's not the case, the system is pointless

[bright flax]

hey everyone, I need some help/guidance with this weeks vault

[fringe marten]

and ultimately it'll be the choice of 239's vs 252's..or if you're a mythic raider obviously there's no compromise.

[craggy pilot]

@fringe marten which would you say are worth? because i alrdy have glove+wrist dom socket... are there more than 2-3 that are specifically worth it?
I know the absorb, and a few of the dmg are pretty good, but the rest not so much :<

[fringe marten]

It's not about the 'slot' it's about the gems and how upgraded they are.

[craggy pilot]

only 239 if you do HC ofc 😉

[lavish oracle]

Like it's irritating to me as someone who does keys but can't commit to a consistent raiding schedule because I have to wear 239 dom socket pieces with 252 pieces in bags or in my vault because of a poorly designed system

[fringe marten]

But the ones that are worth it, are..IMO in order top down.. Kyr, Cor, Bek, Dyz, Jas ? In keys. In raid atm it's the 3 blood set+ Dyz/Cor for damage or Kyr/Dyz for fights without adds; but most have adds so Kyr/Cor

The Cor gem still has a lot of value in raid since you often get the buff refreshed due to adds;orbs;spike balls;whatever.

[woven bear]

@lavish oracle No, the higher ilvl means it's more stats, not better gear. I don't think "better" is was blizzard wants to say with ilvl

[fringe marten]

and the Cor buff is more potent then dyz if you can keep it active a decent amount.

Even though I would think Cor is a multiplicative damage gem, and Cor is additive.. it's still more than 2x the additive amount.

[lavish oracle]

Well, it's the first thing that appears when you apply to group finder so they have assigned some significance to it

[bright flax]

My current trinkets: Ocular gland 239, maw world boss trinket and an IQD at 233
I have an engorged worm smasher weap @242 that I can still bring to 246 with valor. Boots would be an ilvl upgrade from 239

I'm very inclined to let this weapon slip and pick the decanter but I'd like some help on what you would (or not) do

[lavish oracle]

For a long time it was the only thing that appeared

[woven bear]

@lavish oracle yeah, but then, the group finder is the poorly created system not the ilvl 😄

[unique shale]

yeah i feel you burh it is much more worse even finding good guilding guild especially as tank otherwise you have to play fury with haste/versa stats plus prot sots

[fringe marten]

Don't understimate weapon man

[lavish oracle]

Eh, you can play kyrian arms this tier

[fringe marten]

Almost all your damage calculations and even Ignore pain are based on attack power multipliers

[unique shale]

single minded but 1% worse then titen grip

[fringe marten]

OH are you a dps warrior?

[unique shale]

they are in trash tier this patch i doublet anybody want arm warrior XD

[fringe marten]

Oh sorry I was explicitly looking at that from a Prot perspective.

[lavish oracle]

The world first guilds ran 2 arms warriors in the race, what?

Literally both guilds

They were fae, to be fair

[limpid anchor]

How lol. Arms isn’t trash Tier

[lavish oracle]

Kyrian Sims are just about dead even, though

[bright flax]

me? i protecc. I'm still gonna sim the choices but very conflicted to pick the weapon over trinket

[fringe marten]

Arms is beast in raid, and very strong in keys..ya' know; like every dps spec if you play it right.

[unique shale]

fury is trash tier bruh

[lavish oracle]

Fury is also fine

[lavish oracle]

That site is basically a popularity poll

[unique shale]

🤷‍♂️

then give sources

[sweet summit]

[bright flax]

oh yes, go run venthyr bdk with draven for your 10s if you follow the subcreation popularity

[ionic fern]

TIER LISTS

[lavish oracle]

Most world first guilds ran assassination too, iirc, haha

[ionic fern]

What site is that?

[lavish oracle]

Subcreation

[unique shale]

icy

[sweet summit]

if youre gonna link a list at least link wcl...

but arms good fury not so good isnt breaking news or anything

[craggy pilot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/28#difficulty=4

lul

warrior rly top?

[sweet summit]

[craggy pilot]

holy shit

and this the one tier i dont play raid :((((((

fml

[fringe marten]

I follow one list every expansion "Is it a prot warrior?..then I play it"

[lavish oracle]

I play prot as long as it's fun

If it's not, I have most of the other tanks on standby

Minus DK because I hate that spec

[fringe marten]

I don't care what Sco, or max from limit...or ? Venruki or JdotB or whoever says shit.. I will make a prot warrior good; simple as that.

[unique shale]

arm ganna be good at start again then fury rise in end ?

[sweet summit]

doubt it

fury will become better with full soulbinds and shit

but arms will most likely stay top warrior spec

[lavish oracle]

They just got sinful so 🤷

[fringe marten]

(it doesn't mean other tanks can't be better though: I'm looking at you bears~)

[craggy pilot]

fucking inspiring into necrotic into bolstering, wtf...

[lavish oracle]

Sinful surge + Nadja 55, or w/e is a lot of Fury's power

[unique shale]

yikes

dm now rerolling dps or bear

kekw

[lavish oracle]

I like bear

It's like the Fury of tank specs

Brain off

[unique shale]

yeah they are planing to hammer tanks this patch

[lavish oracle]

I dunno, I kinda like the combos better this season

[fringe marten]

I love prot warrior, and I will never give up on it. However... When the "big tough bear who heals itself" class fantasy is taken to a ridiculous extreme, they're INSANELY DURABLE..and then the devs go "hey I think bears should do more dps? OH and also have access to convoke.."

[lavish oracle]

The fucking tyrannical affixes last season were brutal

[craggy pilot]

bear with insane dps, insane shield, insane heals, and convoke 😄

[fringe marten]

like..WHAT? #2 dps behind the crusader tank~ I'm ok with paladin being the 'dps' tank? it doesn't ruffle my feathers..BEAR being a higher dps tank irritates me.

[unique shale]

insane dps ?

i never seen that

[lavish oracle]

I don't know if it has insane dps, it's dps is fine inside incarn

Or convoke if it can moonkin convoke

[unique shale]

dps wise monks,prot pala, and warriors doing better

[craggy pilot]

they do more dps than Warr at least 🤷

[fringe marten]

If warrior maintains a top quality level of physical mitigation I'm ok with us not being the damage gods we were in season 4 bfa. But ..NOT bears..or they have to get squishier~ and now that blizzard is uhh...having ISSUES; that balance aint happening any time soon.

[lavish oracle]

They do like

[bright flax]

I dont mind the bear convoking on pull, i get to charge and leap like a monkey on boss pull

[lavish oracle]

As much damage as a warrior

[unique shale]

[sweet summit]

bear do more damage than a warrior

[fringe marten]

Arima bears do more dps.

[sweet summit]

in raid at least

[craggy pilot]

guildmate 5ilvl lower than me is doing more dps during M+ than i do

[lavish oracle]

In raid, yes

[sweet summit]

think its roughly the same in m+

[fringe marten]

#1 is pally, #2 is bear, prot war fighting for 3rd spot.

[lavish oracle]

They can moonkin convoke or catweave in raid

[lavish oracle]

In keys, they do a bunch of damage in incarn and then not much else

[fringe marten]

I don't know how the damage tiers break down now, but in nathria..Bear was like 20% ahead of us..and paladin was 20% ahead of bear. The gap was that wide.

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, bear does big damage in raid

[craggy pilot]

every scary pull as warrior, my druid guildie is just like "ye i just take that and go to 80 necrotic, npnp"

[lavish oracle]

Because functionally they still have stance damcing

[craggy pilot]

like wtf

[fringe marten]

That's why bears do the giga pulls in keys...because they want to maximize incarn.

[unique shale]

yeah crazy

[fringe marten]

and yeah, for 2 expacs I smoked my bear cotank...in nathria he finally had his day in the sun...I simply could not ever catch him.

[lavish oracle]

They basically can't die in incarn

[craggy pilot]

im doing 5k dps overall in 15s, he is doing 5.5k with less ilvl 🤷 fucking druids

[unique shale]

[craggy pilot]

they literally have 6 different things buffing Thrash, while we have what 2 things buffing Revenge?

[cinder roost]

Well I'll be damned, too bad I'm done with Korthia so won't be flowing in Anima anymore but still nice.

[unique shale]

Time to reroll bear lol

jk

warrior forever

[craggy pilot]

1 button tank being super tanky, so tough

nah never rerolling to bear

[craggy pilot]

sounds so boring :thrash:

[primal cape]

[unique shale]

waepon

[craggy pilot]

HOLY SHIT image spam

[fathom turret]

sorry :/

[fringe marten]

was so stupid..on sludgefist we'd open up..he'd be struggling with threat on me; then we'd hit pillar 1 and he'd pop back and hit a fatty convoke; and GG I'm never catching him again.

[unique shale]

what trinkets you have ? and raiding or m+ main ?

[craggy pilot]

well the stance weave kinda makes sense, but could be cool if warr could do the same since we were also a stance class back in the day

[blazing condor]

surely it must be worth taking a 252 shield over a 239 dom piece if youre gonna be clearing HC a lot?

or maybe dom pieces just are all that

[jagged pier]

yes

[unique shale]

shield yes

[lavish oracle]

Battle stance stuff would be neat

Bring glad back

[fathom turret]

Morning prot-mates! Wednesday difficult choice, could you guys help which one to choose (I have shitty trinkets) #wedvaultchoice

[jagged pier]

haste ring probs

[craggy pilot]

druid should be the main dps tank in raid, because they can go cat/moonkin stance while not tanking... but they should not be able to absorb like they can now in M+ like wtf...

[jagged pier]

the trinket is pretty garbo for us

[lavish oracle]

Arachnid rings pretty good

[primal cape]

celestial for weapon enchant?

[jagged pier]

yes

[unique shale]

why icy says celestial is cheap alt to lightless forces ?

[jagged pier]

no

[fathom turret]

Decanter is that garbo in M+? 😦 (I'd love something to play arms as welll.... guess I'll take the ring)

[lavish oracle]

I use lightless but celestial has some defensive value, lightless does not

[fringe marten]

Celestial can also out dps it in really large pulls because the raw str basically has an 'uncapped' amount of targets it can hit

they sim pretty close; if you get 'good' procs and above average uptime on celestial it beats lightless. I flip flop between sinful rev and lightless on my weapon..from raid to keys. It's costing me a lot of gold 😐

[craggy pilot]

is bolstering good or bad for doing all 15s on warrior?

[lavish oracle]

All 15s is easy on any week

But I dunno, slightly harder than average

It's a time sink mostly

[jagged pier]

if u think u need bolster

take it i guess

but if u are running reprisal

[lavish oracle]

I think he means the affix

[jagged pier]

u should play HR

[lavish oracle]

Unless I'm misinterpreting

[craggy pilot]

ye i mean the affix kekw

[sweet summit]

bolsering is alright if your dps are not apes

[craggy pilot]

i got all 8 on 15 tyrannical yesterday

just need this week to get KSM

then my sub can run out as a happy man

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, it's fine

Just can't pull huge

[craggy pilot]

so same as last week basically

[unique shale]

but bear can XD

[lavish oracle]

Nah, I was doing phat pulls last week

Phial's got me covered

I also had a pally healer running kleia, so basically I had 2 phials, lol

It was great

[craggy pilot]

damn, that sounds nutty

i am NF tho

[fringe marten]

you'd be surprised what you can get away with, with bolstering..the issue is NOT mixing non elites with elites.

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, if you're gonna pull big you have to be really considerate about it

[fringe marten]

However SL dungeons have a lot of mixed packs, in BFA it wasn't as bad

[lavish oracle]

Generally easier to just pull chill in pugs

[unique shale]

planing as prot warrior is important

[unique shale]

same

65% time it fail if i wanna do some big pulls in pugs

[fringe marten]

Speaking of planning..I gotta' get on board with this..spider skipping in DoS.

[unique shale]

don't do it easy

[lavish oracle]

Spider skipping?

Oh the drills?

[fringe marten]

You don't have to; but if I wanna do my 20's for the teleporters I gotta' start pushing/timing bigger keys ..those are a large time loss in DoS.

Yeah.

[unique shale]

i never could pull it off because somebody in pug had no cule and f up everything

[unique shale]

yeah i understand but warriors alawys better with more gear while bears can pull 5 packs and don't die from it

[fringe marten]

? as far as I understand you just invis pot 'em or shroud 'em