there are still some cringe raid bosses where you hold damage, but thats beside the point
#protection
sweet summit
inland raft
More damage is the best mitigation in the game
sick sentinel
That makes sense, But its when its optimal to do so.
inland raft
Since dead enemy is full mitigation
sick sentinel
You kyrian?
nova arch
Necrolord
sweet summit
i can take a look if this pug kills remnant lol
nova arch
❤️
sick sentinel
Pug anything pass first 2 bosses lol
nova arch
Remnant is whooping our arse atm for no real reason other than we’re just not clicking with it
inland raft
O look my ui says i can dispell, better dispel instant
sweet summit
i just want a helmet so i can use unholy set on my rogue...
sick sentinel
Necrolord
Necrolord is pretty good with fleshcraft and some of the soulbind traits, Its a bit more niche with the banner since its more of a support buff. The mastery is good But I think dmg wise you lose a bit more value compared to kyrian or nightfae
Plus + with kyrian you can line up avatar and demo better with spear since cd is 1 min
Bit more burst
sweet summit
youre overcapping a lot of rage
blocked hits on the low side
pretty low revenge, charge and intervene casts
looking at the nine
very low casts overall actually
my casts on the nine 3.50 kill time
you casts the nine 6.22 kill time
altho mine was a normal alt run
sick sentinel
You run rep leg @sweet summit ?
sweet summit
ye
sick sentinel
Ok
nova arch
youre overcapping a lot of rage
It’s crazy cus I feel rage starved a lot
sick sentinel
Was gonna say the charge inter as far as raiding goes isnt that important if you're not running rep
nova arch
But thanks for taking a look for me
sweet summit
the log would say something else
nova arch
I just intervene my co tank. Usually means I don’t actually move, but still get the revenge and shield block uptime
sick sentinel
I just intervene my co tank. Usually means I don’t actually move, but still get ...
Careful doing that on some bosses, Since most tank debuffs are physcial
nova arch
There’s definitely been a few times where I’ve run out of rage and not been able to cast shield block, but that’s just me mismanaging it
sick sentinel
What leg are you running?
nova arch
Reprisal
225 on legs iirc
I’m still relearning prot, ive not played warrior since wod
violet violet
Hey guys what’s everyone think of dreamweaver for keys? Conduit energy sucks, and I only do 15s in prot, but push as arms with korayn
Going to macro a podtender cancel for quick brez, any suggestions how to build the tree?
inland raft
Just run niya shes not a terrible pick on tyr weeks anyways
But you can set korayn up to be pretty solid for both arms and prot with little to no switching
violet violet
I have Niya for raid as arms😬
inland raft
Well for korayn run triple endurance and put reverb in the last potency and crash in the first potency and just swap back and forth between endurance and potency between the two, if want to minmax arms can change reverb for ashen at cost of only one energy
inland raft
Ya visual image of what i said, easy
sweet summit
ye i wasnt reading, busy trying to find this image again 😂
inland raft
Its a good image
craggy pilot
how do you get 252 conduits?
candid shadow
5 * in torgast then adamant vault
tiny wing
Guys Im new to tanking what is the most chad tank in the game and why is it Monk?
sweet summit
jagged pier
chilly brook
Idk fam
Monk is fun
But like honestly it's a lot more fun in keys than it is in raid
sturdy sable
Yeah but nothing is fun in raid
chilly brook
Unless of course you just like putting yourself in a spot where you're risking getting one shot just to have a parse
chilly brook
Pfft you dont even have to risk that
To get a really good parse as a monk? You kinda do
tiny wing
Im a dps main its usually life or death every pull trynna maximize dmg
chilly brook
Like you're talking a fairly big difference in damage from dave
tiny wing
Whats dave?
chilly brook
Like one cast of dave being well over 2 casts (100k+) if you take enough damage
tiny wing
Oh I see that name everywhere and I never understood wtf they were talking about
chilly brook
Just be a warrior
sturdy sable
Angry Dave
tiny wing
So dave cheese is just having max stagger and it does a lot of dmg?
sturdy sable
Yep
tiny wing
Ah
sturdy sable
Be NF for more stonks
sturdy sable
Ignore your defensives sub 20%
Thats why you save wall for sub 20
chilly brook
Show me a tank that isn't basic
sturdy sable
We dont press ignore pain here
tiny wing
Damn right 😎
So my thought rn is going NF lego and never pressing IP ever again
Solid plan?
sweet summit
solid
sturdy sable
Been using natures fury in raid since i made it it slaps
slow hawk
for the folks that dont make their own routes, wheres the best place to get good routes?
mighty valley
a lot of people use the dratnos routes on the raider.io front page, so pugs sometimes expect you to run something like them
honestly routing is mostly whatever this affix... get as many powers as you can early without too much backtracking, get to 100%
slow hawk
yea was mostly interested in seeing what the best DOS route is... I'm gonna start tanking it but so far every tank has ran a different route when I pug as DPS
I did take a look at dratnos' route this week
mighty valley
I still like going right, doing the trash around the ring + dipping into mechagon just for the power, finish trash ring and go ardenweald, mechagon, hakkar
blazing condor
Yeah i do that too
jagged pier
go left
mighty valley
just need to have a good sense of how much ardenweald trash to pull since everything else is linear
blazing condor
You can bl first pull then invis to boss in ardenweald after getting last power. Just to get another BL use and get it on cd
Go back thru portal and clear the rest of the ads
Then go and skip mechagon if you wanna do that route
You wont really get bl for hakkar if you do that though but you will have it for last. Has worked fine for me but its a bit overkill
mighty valley
on fortified weeks it seems reasonable to just do a huge ardenweald pull and lust when it comes up
indigo pagoda
how do i use reprisal in raids?
visual drift
Is old warrios a good trinket for tanks now?
ionic fern
Yes.
nova arch
how do i use reprisal in raids?
What I do is intervene my offtabk when I’m tanking, barely move but get the buffs. When I’m about to taunt I’ll run out and charge back in as I taunt to get the buff as well
If the boss is casting something long winded, I’ll leap out and charge back in
tiny wing
Using intervene on offtank right after taunt swapping so you get slapped to death and have to find someone to blame 👍
vivid pumice
i'm a venthyr fury, can i stay venthyr to tank some keys with friends, or is it just so bad?
neat pebble
Covenant is only for high keys (20+)
U can tank keys with vent too other covs are maybe a bit more confortabel
My opinion
vivid pumice
i'm doing 18/19 with friends :p
mighty valley
You'll be fine
vivid pumice
❤️
you think the 70% efficiency from IP to condemn
can still be usefull in bosses?
mighty valley
I condemn bosses all the time
mighty valley
Just don't burn ALL your rage and drop shield block lol
vivid pumice
so always condemn priority ST instead of IP
mighty valley
There are times where magic damage is scary enough that I might lean on IP a little more
Like halls last boss, his dot doesn't fuck around
But hopefully have a CD for something like that
Most of the time boss damage isn't that bad and condemn + sb is more than enough
clever heart
stat prios for Prot ? obviously item lvl most important. but after item lvl, what is stat prio ?
mighty valley
haste > vers > crit/mast generally
if you're going for wild high keys you might wanna focus vers instead to reduce burst dmg
clever heart
ty
north rampart
Checking warcraft logs top warr tanks, into the fray and heavy repercussions are high level meta?
Pretty cool to se some diversity of talents
neon patrol
craggy pilot
how do i go about finding a Mythic Tarragrue pug?
for some reason Sanctum has no Mythic option in LFG
mighty valley
Just search the word "mythic" - there aren't always pugs going, depending on server
north rampart
Mythic tarragrue easier that shriekwing?
cosmic oasis
🤔 tanks cant get unstable form anima power before tarragrue can they
narrow sparrow
Tanks can get unstable form
leaden basin
what exactly am i supposed to do about necrotic on first boss of TOP, resets were just not happening. should i more or less kite the whole time to reduce autos?
sturdy sable
You should get your dps to kill the melee add forst the other ones just cast
leaden basin
they all auto when kicked right?
sweet summit
they do
mighty valley
make sure no one soothes the melee boss when it fixates at 40%, that's your chance to drop stacks
leaden basin
thats a good tip. looks like we were just kicking the hell out of every cast.
sweet summit
probably not at that ilvl difference
if you have both you could run one dungeon with each
and compare i guess
wide pilot
figured as much didnt know if it was worth farmin the aegis if my scale was that high..have no plans on doing mythic raid so it would be heroic or nothing
royal rune
is there a decent covenant for prot+ arms?
sweet summit
kyrian or night fae
either works
arms wants NF a bit more
prot wants kyrian a bit more
unique shale
doing drugs be like
sweet summit
drugs or dungs 
royal rune
either works
arms wants NF a bit more
prot wants kyrian a bit more
cheers thats helpful
lilac bloom
wow.. got told of from dying on p1 heroic syvanas
i did ok on normal but on heroic.. i get hit like truckload and i'm 233 tank
lilac sorrel
Hi guys, can I know how many % of haste I need? Or as much as possible? Currently 37% with into the fury 48%
lilac sorrel
Arh great! Thanks you
round vortex
Anyone else switched to Kleia now?
That 8 second immunity + 20% DR on the potion is nutty
lilac bloom
whats the ilevel requirement for Heroic Sylvanas
sturdy sable
226 should be enough
Swap at 3 stacks
Taking 6 is a bad idea
Spell reflect/SW for when she casts at you should cover the bursts
prisma bear
i thought you had to swap on 6 on heroic
lol wow im not seeing anything in the journal maybe you can swap on 3 we made it so much harder on ourselves then last night we killed it
thorn remnant
Looking for opinions… currently Necrolord, not able to coordinate buff well but like Necrolord theme… main spec tank with Arms off spec, AOTC guild, run a lot of M+… thinking of swapping covenants… Night Fae or Kyrian?
lavish raptor
Hey folks, was mainly arms/fury venthyr pre 9.1. Decided to prot war tank in 9.1 and occasionally dps in M+/raid. Based on pins it seems like Night Fae should be my choice of cov, correct?
lament zealot
humble ferry
@thorn remnant @lavish raptor if you guys play both tank and dps a lot then go night fae
if only tank then just go kyrian
lavish raptor
Roger. Thank you
humble ferry
np!
lavish oracle
Kyrian's fine for arms too, no?
blazing condor
Yes
visual wedge
<@!172522980985929738> <@!272093980655616000> if you guys play both tank and dps...
I find kyrian gives that edge because of the vials even if DPS gain is lower the vials make up for that, especially in necrotic weeks
lavish oracle
Yeah, phial is sick and our mobility is good enough such that an extra movement button doesn't feel super impactful
to me
though, with the night fae exodus, how many classes are still playing fae?
something to consider for M+ I suppose
maiden ravine
Druids largely still are
fringe marten
@prisma bear Yeah we got AOTC tonight as well, kept swapping on 3 as well (one ranger burst) The only downside is, it does cause her to sometimes go taunt immune, SOMETIMES stack one of you with 6 no matter what..and causes windows where you have like 1 or 2 seconds to get back after the arrow bomb to get back and taunt or she 6 stacks the other tank. But 100% it's how we did it (as 2 prot warriors btw THE WAY GOD INTENDED)
But all in all the 'intended' swap is 6 stacks of the ranger burst thing...it's pretty evident by her going taunt immune a lot of the time. But it still didn't make the fight a problem? In fact made her way easier to deal with than we thought. If you 'had' to take 6 stacks then the second burst you'd take would almost always need some decent lil' bit of mitigation like at least a demo shout or something.
gaunt dawn
you can swap on 3
and she will never go taunt immune
just dont swap if an arrow is immediately after
blazing condor
fringe marten
Honestly the reality was..she was not tough at all to tank, only taking 6 stacks in p2 on chains was actually nasty, and in p3 it's not her..it's the dot's your soaking up all over the place..
wanton panther
hey guys, I see a lot of kyrian prot warriors with Kleia soulbind. What is up with that ?
wanton panther
ah so only for this week, I get it. Thanks 🙂
visual drift
Are there any new trinkets atm worth from the new content?
wide pilot
Aegis
gaunt dawn
Honestly the reality was..she was not tough at all to tank, only taking 6 stacks...
Hang on
P2
Theres a solid 15s between the casts
You legit cannot taunt dr in time
You can solo tank sylv on heroic/normal quite easily
So if you're doing solo tanking with 2 tanks...
Waste of a raid spot innit
jagged pier
Are there any new trinkets atm worth from the new content?
aegis and defense matrix are greeat in m+
defense martix is also solid in raid
primal cape
TOP +16, just go with 25% haste instead of 15 + HR instead of AM
i guess i just gonna play the highest haste possible
playing with a new trinket viscera of coal, not bad, not decent
feeling vers is not really changing anything, drop to 10 from 22
blazing condor
thats why you must have at least 35% vers to really feel it :v)
cloud mauve
are the venthyr conduit trees just dogshit or is this with every fucking covenant, the literaly tank tree has 1 fucking endurance conduit and 1 hidden behind a shitty ass abilitiy you have to pick
amber herald
which shards do we want
obtuse monolith
are the venthyr conduit trees just dogshit or is this with every fucking covenan...
Draven gets you 2 endurance, 3 potency, convert 15% of overhealing to HoT, and +3% DD -3% DT for a capstone. I think it’s solid:
https://www.wowhead.com/soulbind-calc/venthyr/general-draven
amber herald
is annhylde's aegis technically an absorb or a dr?
I was wondering if it is effected by necrotic
strong forum
good question
amber herald
on my shadowed unit frames it shows as an absorb 🤷♂️
but the tooltip simply says reduces dmg by x
strong forum
its not a finite absorb
so can it be reduced?
easiest way would be to test it ykno
austere kindle
hi guys 😄 i have a serious question about prot
amber herald
I got it on my monk last night and didn't notice any reduction from necrotic but I'm not really certain my perception is right
austere kindle
what is the bis gear i need ?
amber herald
icyveins has a list
austere kindle
so this basicly ?
wanton panther
being polite is also hard for you apparently
amber herald
I believe it's per hit therefore there technically isn't a cap
amber herald
about it being an absorb or dr I'll do a key later but I probably won't remember 🤷♂️
this is what you guys are for
mellow bridge
It def isnt reduced by necrotic
amber herald
poggers
mellow bridge
I've been using it this week a lot when i'm at like 60+ stacks to not take any dmg anymore
still not sure about scale vs aegis overall, but for necrotic weeks aegis is pretty sure just better
need to compare them both next fort week
strong forum
aegis is better in situations where you get hit alot of times, aka m+
scale is better on fewer hits
strong forum
if you play those trinkets for dmg youre doing it wrong
but yes, the angle should be wider of aegis for its dmg part
craggy pilot
what are the best anima powers to take in M+?
any specific tier list or anything, or do i just pick whatever + barbs?
oak lotus
Depends what you're after and how much crit you have. If you already have high crit and want more dam, champion's brand is a good choice. If you want 5% vers, take 5% vers and 40% reduced dmg on pull. The other skull thingy is only worth if you pull 5 or more mobs all the time. In many dungeons, this isnt gonna work. It would be good for HOA, sanguine or maybe NW depending on where the mini boss actually is
cinder roost
Anyone know if/how Ancient Aftershock and/or Nature's Fury are affected by haste in any way?
strong forum
Afaik it's not hasted
cinder roost
Kinda sucks tbh
patent osprey
fifth skull blows
I like barbs + bulwark as base. then the other 2 are more situational.
blazing condor
Has anyone tested the barbs vs 15% dmg increase and seen if barbs are more damage compared to correct playing of the other one?
just curious
distant crystal
would take some major log scientists to figure it out
although...barbs did 10% of my overall in a mists 15
would be very difficult to beat that with a short 15% amp after kicks
blazing condor
I mean the other option from the same boss
The one where you get 15% dmg as long as you stand still
Just curious over the course of a dungeon, if played around the power, if it’d be better
distant crystal
ohhh the standstill
ya i guess it could win if you're able to facetank pretty consistently
although more facetanking helps barbs too, without the need to actually stand totally still
craggy pilot
my dumb luck a fucking Shaman gets the Mists shield 😦
blazing condor
My shaman got mythic taragrue shield
craggy pilot
rip
i been contemplating finding a Mythic Tarragrue grp
does it have to be 20 people on the same server or something?
craggy pilot
why tho?
craggy pilot
was it like that in S1 as well?
sweet summit
fall of fame must be filled
distant crystal
been like that since beginning of BFA I think
sweet summit
before cross server mythic coimes
distant crystal
or was it there in legion too?
sweet summit
idk
craggy pilot
thats dumb as fk
sweet summit
all of bfa at least
craggy pilot
impossible to pug Mythic then
distant crystal
if you're on a low pop server, p much
craggy pilot
did 4 TOP, 2 Mists, Tarragure Normal+HC
and no shields 😦
no shield last week either...
yet i got both a 229 wep and a 233 wep
sweet summit
replace shield with raid helmet and i feel you
craggy pilot
i did 4 Mythic bosses, and got no loot from either of them 😄
sweet summit
craggy pilot
HC i mean oops
full Normal raid, and 4 bosses of HC, and got 1 shard, and wrist with Dom socket 🤣
ivory elbow
sweet summit
pog
craggy pilot
im confused how people are full Unholy shard set in like 2 weeks
ivory elbow
i was close to jumping out of my window
season 1 70 tries
season 2 only 30ish tries xd
sweet summit
bro
distant crystal
252 scale in my first box on DH :p
sweet summit
one of our DKs got unholy set week 1
craggy pilot
wtf
ivory elbow
DH from pug just casually got it and traded me xd sent him 100k for it
craggy pilot
and i only got 4 shards in 2 weeks 😦
sweet summit
yeah
craggy pilot
is Shard of Annhylde's Aegis good for M+?
sweet summit
3 uh gems + helmet + jaithys + sylvanas trinket
distant crystal
i finally got all the shards this week
sweet summit
week 1
distant crystal
@craggy pilot it's da best
sweet summit
his gear is STACKED
craggy pilot
better or similar to scale?
thorn remnant
I got this out of my GV this week...
thorn remnant
I wet my platemail pantalones.
sweet summit
vers is for ||nerds||
thorn remnant
I've decided on Tuesday to change to Night Fae from Necrolord...
distant crystal
shard breaks even around 5 targets iirc
ivory elbow
distant crystal
i guess swing speed matters too
sweet summit
aegis is better but ilvl matters
thorn remnant
Beautiful.
ivory elbow
sweet summit
swing speed is normalized isnt it?
ivory elbow
if we gonna flex xD
thorn remnant
Jealous.
sweet summit
jesus christ
dusky elk
How good is the shard bonus? Good enough to swap out my 233 pieces for 226 domination gear?
distant crystal
i mean enemy mob swing speed
strong forum
How good is the shard bonus? Good enough to swap out my 233 pieces for 226 domi...
Yes
distant crystal
or is that normalized too
sweet summit
yeah
strong forum
It is
sweet summit
pretty sure it is
distant crystal
you need to take like 11 melees
sweet summit
some mobs gain haste/attack speed buffs that offset that tho but w/e
distant crystal
during the use, for shard to break even with scale
distant crystal
strong forum
If you're new to poe and don't mind that it's a bit slower / harder
Yeah it's good
Defo smoother experience on my end
dusky elk
Vers who?
strong forum
Good boi
sweet summit
strong forum
thorn remnant
About to source some nerds to run my 16 DOS in hopes for a new scale...
Wish me luck!
distant crystal
that maaaay be a lvl 50 warrior wearing full nyalotha/s4 bfa gear 💩
sweet summit
ivory elbow
hows your haste so high
sweet summit
how level high gear
distant crystal
lvl 50 😮
sweet summit
hacking
ivory elbow
nvm i just saw the vers xD
craggy pilot
bladedancer trinket from Sanguine any good?
sweet summit
strong forum
what do you think
craggy pilot
no clue,t hats why i ask 😄
strong forum
come on
sweet summit
strong forum
2min duration 5min cd
for irrelevant amounts of nothing
so yes its absolute dogshit
plush tendon
I mean, the Icon does look pretty cool
lofty flume
Hi there, when looking to make your tank as survivable as possible for progression, should versatility be the main stat or haste?
plush tendon
Hi there, when looking to make your tank as survivable as possible for progressi...
Haste
dont fall into the vers trap
jagged pier
vers is for chumps be a man and go for crit so u parry everything and get revengj procs
plush tendon
The only time you prioritize vers is if you are doing REALLY high content and you mathed out a specific hit which will kill you unless you have a specific amount of vers
this however rarely/never happens
lofty flume
No problem I'm just gonna smash haste put the park then
Is there afuctional roof? As in law of dismissed returns?
plush tendon
I thought it was 39%?
jagged pier
we say 39%
because at 40% u will get tax'd
and thats 39 unbuffed
like ITF and stuff still give full amount onto of 39%
plush tendon
and if you are American, you want to avoid those taxes
lofty flume
Haha no worries. I'm on 27 so got a way to go just yet
tranquil leaf
and if you are American, you want to avoid those taxes
in stitches over that comment
lean moth
should you be aiming for 39/40% haste w/o talents and buffs?
plush tendon
Americans go for 39%, Euros go for 40%
jagged pier
should you be aiming for 39/40% haste w/o talents and buffs?
yes
blazing condor
any tips for guardian on hc?
havent started pulling yet just havent read up on anything
jagged pier
it literally does nothing
blazing condor
oh 
blazing condor
kk thank u thank u, for some reason i thought it was a """"hard""" boss
plush tendon
Guardians is only hard if people cant dodge a beam and you dont plan your healing CDs
Also, are you guys doing the solo tank+ immunity soak strat for obliterate?
sweet summit
we probably will once we get to it on mythic
blazing condor
not doing any strat rn
plush tendon
We went in with 5 healers the first time; by taking 5 mins to plan, probably couldve 4 healed it no problem
blazing condor
how does the solo-soak work?
sturdy sable
pop wall and call for an external
first tank takes the first set 2nd tank takes the 2nd set
of each combo
spell reflect for the magic part for the 20% dr
plush tendon
thats not what we did; we had 2 mages (1 frost, 1 arcane) and planned for 3 obliterates. tank 1 takes 1st slam, tank 1 takes 1st obliterate on top of mage ice block, tank 2 taunts and takes 2nd obliterate and then tank 2 takes 2nd slam
only required spell reflect to live
sturdy sable
yeah ive just been solo soaking it with my co tank
makes it so the dps can just blast
he only combos like 3 times on hc anyways
so its not like we need those externals for anything else
plush tendon
fair; it does smack though
sturdy sable
yeah it can be spooky the first time
i think blood spattered scale wall and reflect is enough for the combo as well
lilac sorrel
Hey my prot warrior bros, can I ask why "Old Warrior's soul" trinket is bis?
lunar jackal
perma 300 haste?
lilac sorrel
I talking about mythic+ mainly
In raid i understand
But in myrhic + so easy to drop stacks
lunar jackal
Oh. I dont necesarilly like it in keys. (not to mention it breaks invis unless theyve fixed that)
lilac sorrel
Omg I don't know the break invis part lol
What trinket you think is better for mythic+ in 9.1
lunar jackal
im not an expert AT ALL. Theres better people to help u but IMHO Scale/Aegis/Guardian Trinket from raid are all really good
lilac sorrel
Okok thank you :S
blazing condor
man i take like 45k with full mitigation up on guardian
per hit
we run rep and normal setup right?
sweet summit
ye
blazing condor
then why he hurt so much : <
sweet summit
ur not strong enough
distant crystal
opiates help
blazing condor
nah
plush tendon
do you have logs?
blazing condor
looking through them rn
gonna do a bit more and see how it feels
i had like 2 secs without SB so mightve been that'
strong forum
But in myrhic + so easy to drop stacks
it has a 15second grace period before stacks drop
urban portal
I talking about mythic+ mainly
Just need to chain pull
You have 15 seconds for it to drop
Not to mention there's spiteful this week
You just pull the spiteful to next pack while spamming throw at it
digital arch
GIVE ME HASTE PLOX 
jagged pier
id rather u get rid of that trinket tbh
urban portal
whats that addon
short apex
Lads, I've read we're using reprisal in raid aswell, is there a fight where we DO NOT want to use it and go wall instead?
amber herald
eye
short apex
oh yeah u cant block the thing right
jagged pier
eye and slyvannas
actually i dunno heartseeker that chunks is phyiscal
but dot in last phase
i guess find what works best for u
lucid pasture
BOYS
if i max ignore pain
into a deathlink on mythic eye
how much damage is it going to deal to my raid
or is like ignore pain useless in regards to the deathlink?
delicate iron
It's not useless, it will absorb part of the damage up to around 20k maybe? Not sure how high you can stack it atm. You'll want your spell reflect and demo shout up too. Obviously shield wall when available and scale trink if you have one is nice
Haven't done mythic yet but on HC you're able to fully negate the damage afaik
finite vine
should I use the wall on tyranical?
jagged pier
nope
tranquil leaf
after several 15s, i dont think reprisal is for me. i think im going to stick to the wall. just feels better to me.
lucid pasture
It's not useless, it will absorb part of the damage up to around 20k maybe? Not ...
could i just do demo+100% ignore pain
finite vine
If I care about not dying more than damage, is bolster better than anger management?
I am pretty bad right now and it might save me
amber herald
for raid or m+?
finite vine
m+
mystic ember
Bolster is pretty strong in m+
blazing condor
i suppose there's no problem to solo tank 2 ads on fatescribe right? or are we tanks not supposed to change the ring
jagged pier
its fine
plush tendon
or just run lazy HR+ITF build i guess
jagged pier
If I care about not dying more than damage, is bolster better than anger managem...
HR in mythic plus(with reprisal) , bolster with the wall
bolster in raid if your dying to blockable damage
amber herald
rav/hr for m+ is pretty nice
jagged pier
if u have hr though you should be hitting 90% at least blocked hits tbh
cloud stag
how to solo soak orbs on oryphrion? ty
jagged pier
stack your cds
jagged pier
yus
cold crater
hi
I was doing heroic guardian and using shield block and intervene on cd, but the second shield block is down i just get insta killed, taking literally 40k hp a hit
i have a log, can i post it here or should i post it on log review ?
blazing condor
Post here id say
I cant review it rn though but still people usually get back to you quicker
If you post here
haughty sleet
I don’t see any uses of shield wall
I know everyone loves reprisal but i like running the wall for guardian
You can have sw up for every tank combo
cold crater
I just never expect to be two shot you know
sturdy sable
I only run wall for guardian because my raid has the tanks soloing the combo
haughty sleet
It looks like your co tank had threat the majority of the time so you shouldn’t be taking any hits without shield block up
sturdy sable
If your doing the mechanic the "right" way reprisal should be enough to cover most hits considering he swings on like a 3s timer
cold crater
Should I be charging in the boss ? I used it on CD and same for intervene
sturdy sable
You should be charging when its safe to do so
cold crater
Aha, makes sense
woven bear
How can I seen who in the raid received how much healing on warcraftlogs
indigo sapphire
"done to friendly" instead of "done by source"
cold crater
Anything else to focus on ?
haughty sleet
Guardian damage is very predictable
cold crater
I mean yeah, I died to autos haha
haughty sleet
You should definitely use shield wall
cold crater
Don't have replacement legs to use shield wall
sturdy sable
No shield walll the cooldown
haughty sleet
You don’t need legendary to use shield wall
cold crater
Oh sorry
woven bear
@indigo sapphire thx
cold crater
Yeah I get it lmao
haughty sleet
You are using anger management so you should be able to get at least 2 in during the fight without the wall
cold crater
Should I use it when SD is down ?
sturdy sable
Use it to cover gaps in block
sturdy sable
Also call for externals
woven bear
I guess the wall is better than reprisal on guardians because you stand grouped most of the time and you can't charge easily?
sturdy sable
And dont just say "external"
Say exactly what you want and from who
Itle get it to you faster
haughty sleet
Also your warlocks need to use curse of weakness
haughty sleet
@cold crater just look up top Prot Warrior logs for guardian and compare them to your log
You need to get your cpm way up
cold crater
Cpm ?
woven bear
I really take a lot of dmg from the weapons of painsmith (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PCJkA63fn8zvgVKG#fight=7&type=damage-taken&start=4935283&end=5323318) and I'm wondering if you use CDs there? I try to have shield block and IP up for them but don't take shield wall or so. How do you do it
sonic fog
is reprisal better overall for m+?
haughty sleet
100%
sonic fog
or do u guys find urself using the wall more
haughty sleet
1000%
woven bear
Yeah reprisal is amazing for m+
haughty sleet
I really take a lot of dmg from the weapons of painsmith (https://www.warcraftlo...
I use sw for those when possible
woven bear
Do you use AM or the wall on this fight
haughty sleet
first kill I used am and wall
reprisal and am sin e
since
if you sw weapons you will cover most of blackened armor dot as well
woven bear
I tried weave of warped fates today on first boss mythic and I couldn't use it most of the time, I guess it also counts into the br count?
woven bear
@haughty sleet okay thanks
haughty sleet
I also spel reflect that
thorn remnant
haste + vers main stats for the legendary?
Haste/verse
woven bear
@reCTOOOR you spell reflect the dot?
haughty sleet
Yes
haughty sleet
Dunno if it works but my dtps for it was like 500 lower than yours
safe thistle
the wall is very good for sanctum due to the fact you have every short tank uptime with all the swap.
still i tasnk with reprisal atm and i have way more shield block than i need
haughty sleet
Also there’s just a lot of unblockable stuff which is depressing
safe thistle
at least SR work well on the nine
desert solstice
So haste/vers are our main stats but where should they optimally sit % wise followed by mastery and crit?
I’ve looked at characters and have seen peoples stats kind of all over the place
haughty sleet
Haste vers is good but right now ilvl is king
lofty widget
stats matter on even ilvl pieces, strength is our best stat
safe thistle
ilvl is important unless its ring or neck then stats matter unless its a huge ilvl boost
mellow bridge
I’ve looked at characters and have seen peoples stats kind of all over the place
That's because there isn't a % to aim for
loud kestrel
So when people say ilvl is king does that go for rings/neck as well?
haughty sleet
No
sweet summit
yes but less than other slots
haughty sleet
Well, within reason
sweet summit
you can be a lot more lenient with those
mossy peak
sweet summit
depends on secondaries/socket/ilvl difference
cinder nova
Is there a trick to using NF
Or is it basically "catch as much shit in it as you can"
sweet summit
NF? as in AA?
sweet summit
oh
cinder nova
Trying to parse monkey
mighty cairn
is the decanter of howling at 239 any good for healing/dps
idk what the niche is compared to pure dmg or defensive trinkets
mellow bridge
Pretty sure if you're using that for any defensive gain, you're doing it wrong
And for dmg just sim it
sweet summit
its pretty mediocre afaik
cedar bane
So I'm having a hard time deciding on whether to tank with my war or my pally need help lol
pastel sleet
OWS bad for tanking?
pastel sleet
why dont i see a lot of prot using it in warcraft logs?
amber herald
warr > pala
sweet summit
currently breaks invis pot in m+ tho, so keep that in mind
also, its week 3(?)
loot is not everywhere already
i have seen it drop once
pastel sleet
gotcha gotcha. got it yesterday and started investigating and was befuddled.
foggy timber
Is Kleia worth using this week when tanking M+? For the Ascendant Phial perk?
sweet summit
its very nice QoL
foggy timber
Just wondering if the value you lose from another Soulbind makes the change worth it
sweet summit
id use it
foggy timber
I swear I saw a Kleia build back in 9.0 but I can't find one now
sweet summit
i gotchu
mighty valley
So I'm having a hard time deciding on whether to tank with my war or my pally ne...
warrior discord is probably gonna say warrior is cool
but pick whichever you like the feel of, tanks are all in a good place just now
quiet crane
I got old soul week one
And by the way I think ITF might be breaking stealth to... but can’t be sure I’ll log my run tonight
muted arch
did any1 solo torg lvl 12 this week
mighty valley
nah, always duo it
haughty sleet
i did
sweet summit
i did as fury :p
dusky canopy
I always 5 man them like a dungeon seems to be a breeze for me usually
mighty valley
yeah i've heard of plenty of people soloing it fine, i'm just always gonna run it with my wife
the original duo partner
wide pilot
Was it changed this tier for 16s to drop 3 items each run? Don’t remember last tier doing that
oblique garnet
Its just rng chance on a 16
wide pilot
Ah well looks like I’ll be farming 16s instead of 15s lol
sweet summit
that's wowheads soulbind calculator
lunar jackal
its a just a soulbind calculator
sweet summit
got T6 so have a few, but not enough
lunar jackal
guys for keys out of shard of Kyr and Shard of Jas which one do I take first?
(thinking kyr but need reassurance)
lunar jackal
Absorb vs incoming heals + stamina
lunar jackal
yeah ok was thinking that
cinder nova
Accretion is dummy thic
sick sentinel
Henlo, will prolly use Prot to gear up Arms ( don't hate ) if I tanked 15's with 175-180 in S1, I should be able to do 10-12 with... 200? Anyone any idea, dunno how much the anima orbs impact / ease up tanking - premade groups
tardy osprey
You get 210 gear from M0's, so if you are ilvl 200, I would start with lower keys before jumping to 12s
or get some easy upgrades in Korthia starts at 200 gear and can be upgraded
modern brook
13 lower than the end of dungeon loot is a good rule of thumb
Depends on too many factors
sick sentinel
got some armaments, just dinged 60 couple hours ago but you're right i forgot m0 gives actually decent loot for day 1
totally forgot, thanks =)
modern brook
But at that ilvl difference you're losing to poor play not bad gear
maiden ravine
I want to like prot warrior so much but I just can't get into it this expansion
fringe marten
LOL Erga got trolled like I did (maybe) got 252 fueled by violence from Tarragrue..instead of shield =\ or even boots..
Why's that kyle? because bear is JUST BETTER IN EVERY WAY? (I still play prot but..sometimes fax is fax)
sweet summit
ye i got owned
quiet tinsel
Hey all, not sure if this is a good area to ask, with weapon enhancements, is oils or sharpening stones better for prot warrior. (or can you have both?)
cinder nova
Is it me or is level 12 an absolute ballbuster to get 5 gems on?
cinder nova
How'd you do it? I'm struggling to kill enough shit to do anything in a reasonable amount of time.
ionic fern
I got 2 stars.
cinder nova
??? Really?
sweet summit
Yea
desert solstice
So I’m in a debate of switching from Kyrian to Venthyr. I raid and do m+ and I know it’s not too optimal for M+ but would I still be okay?
fringe marten
We 5 starred our first run
then we brought in someone else? who was just lower dps/worse..and it went all the way down to a 3 star...was very odd.
I'm sorry? other way around...we 3 starred the first because everyone went mongo; then I told them to DO the stuff to get extra points..and we 5 banged it..but we did have another dps swap in.
ionic fern
So I’m in a debate of switching from Kyrian to Venthyr. I raid and do m+ and I k...
Yes, you will still be okay.
fringe marten
and on the second run since we banked 500 anima...Got to buy the swag back piece Xmog~
ionic fern
While Kyrian/NF are the preferred Covenants for us Necrolord/Venthyr won't stop you from doing any content as long as you are playing the class correctly.
fringe marten
Rekrian; if you tank at all on prot Kyrian is De wae~ (I know there's different thoughts on this ..but as a tank, the phial is SOOO huge, in every type of content)
desert solstice
What sucks is am building an arms set and I wanna flex both ways
fringe marten
Whenever I even consider another covenant..it's not spear I even begin to think about; it's losing Kyrian Phial that instantly shrinks my nuts and I can't swap. I recently changed from Dark iron dwarf (ally) to Vulperra (horde) and I miss that racial so much...IF you are alliance and you are a dwarf I might be able to tolerate losing phial; but 100% NOT now.
My current cotank is another prot warrior, and when we do keys I tank and he plays arms..and he wrecks keys just fine as arms. I can't play dps to save my life though.
And that's at this current moment; in a few weeks when we hit renown 57 Kyrian/arms with the new kyrian leggo gunna be STRONK
Farm you an overwhelming power crystal in the meantime BTW (De Other Side dungeon)
If you go kyrian, when you play arms and eventually run Mikanikos...you'll want that huge crit boost.
desert solstice
I got lucky and have already gotten one. Just needs to be upgraded. But this is good info. I’ll keep it in mind
bold linden
Hi, anyone playing engineering AS Tank? How reliable ist that CR Item? My m+ group has one Druid For CR, and im thinking to Go engineer for another CR, but only If its worth/useful.
Does it make more Sense Form our resto Shaman to Go engineering for that CR?
Would be Happy for your experiences!
Just to make it clear: i would only Use that CR If our Druid is dead. And yeah that Happens several Times especially on tyrranical Bosses...
bold linden
Can it be interrupted by taking damage?
jagged pier
nope
bold linden
Nice thanks! Think im going for it tonight
ionic fern
the CR doesnt fail
It failed for my pally healer once. 👀
cinder nova
It's failed for my priest too
ionic fern
I mean the "Backfire" thing.
jagged pier
ive never had it backfire
ionic fern
It CAN fail. Just seems to be a really-really-really low chance.
jagged pier
🤷
bold linden
What Happens If IT backfires? Instant death?
ionic fern
bold linden
Ugh... OK Well but i guess i'll Take that gamble. Thanks a Lot :)
ionic fern
Jeah, definitely worth it as the chance it backfires is really low.
smoky wave
And hilarious
ionic fern
just takes 4 seconds
Pretty sure you can't block during it tho since it's a channel so have to be mindful not to die to mobs while channeling it..Shockwave or something?
fringe marten
Yeah in a key I was in our rogue went to brez someone, and he lost his mind when it failed..it's like 98% success or something. I mean to be fair that's the whole point behind engineering stuff..it is really cool with a chance to fail/backfire. It's just low probability on it.
Shockwave 'or something'..BRO take that enhanced fear conduit so stuff has to take more damage..then fear them..and PULL MORE STUFF by fearing mobs, but now your team is full and back alive again..GIGABRAIN move.
ionic fern
Best move.
Did a DoS yesterday and everyone just pulled more and more in Ardenweald due to "But i was kiting my ghost and diddn't see".
Big sad.
jagged pier
ionic fern
Worst thing was that we failed the key since all 3 of the DPS'ers did like max 5.1k DPS.
Haven't seen that in a while..usually atleast 1 is good.
fringe marten
'the pull' in ardenweald isn't all that wild..it's the pat+ some cranes on the right + the invis guys at the urn..and if you ?? are skipping the spiders I guess? You pull the static pack of stags
ionic fern
It's wild if you got DPS'ers not doing damage. 👀
fringe marten
the way I've been doing it is standard...moths/guys on right/stag patrol pack on entering ardenweald.. Tincan asshole..when he's low I toss ravager at the static ? little pixie guys when the stag patrol is near it...now cd's are fully back up (big ones) do urn pull..kite away toward end of urn so you dump beak stacks.. then you can go into the little river section 'full' ..blast 'em, stun the baby crane cry, blast momma crane..phial off necro.. then it's LITERALLY downhill from there ~ heyooo jokes.
Well keys are dumb if you have bad dps..nothing works, you can't pull hard enough to push the key, you tank forever..get 500 necro stacks, or whatever the affix is.. it's dogshit.
But yeah if you do urn pull..and like..momma crane patroller lives forever; c ya'.
Apparently skipping mecha spiders is the new hotness? I haven't started doing that yet though.
ionic fern
"Mecha spiders"?
fringe marten
the drills..in mechagon wing
fringe marten
Makes sense, they're like the only enemy you kinda' have to stop dps'ing in any dungeon.
dark lark
what's better for keys and raid: annhylde's aegis or blood spattered shard
fringe marten
Aegis is amazing in keys, Blood scale is the second best option but MUCH better in raids.
ionic fern
Jeah. It was my first DoS of the season tho so i did my old route just with different pathing..e.g full circle into Ardenweald->Mecha->Trollthingy.
fringe marten
Bloodscale, even on a 2 min cd..is like it's own little cooldown for various boss mechanics or "oh man I'm about to take a sunder/obliterate/piercing eye beam/death link...whatever and my HP is at half from the previous hit"
Aegis is a 'per hit' damage reduction, raid bosses don't hit you tons of times really fast...big packs of trash in keys do. So aegis is dumpster in raids. The 'aegis' for raiding is the Codex of the First technique, but it's random Damage/Damage reflect (absorb if you want to look at it like that) But when it procs on a 'tough' boss it's good, but it's not on demand.
'On Demand" mitigation is way more useful in a raid situation if you're considering trinkets as 'tools' ..so if you're using a tool for defense, you need it WHEN you need it...not just 'on average ok'
fringe marten
Damage trinkets that are 'on average good' are fine for raids because damage is just a meter you want 'more of' to push boss to the end; when you use it as a tank doesn't matter..which is why phial/etc are so good for us since it's just passive nice damage.
LOL..thank you Youtube 1 day ago "Rextroy: Army of 300 npc's destroy the horde" even though I'm horde now; Rextroy still ma' boy~ gotta' watch this.
lofty ocean
guys may I ask you what is the best legendary for prot warri for now?
jagged pier
reprisal
lofty ocean
th
primal cape
I dont know what to play between Kleia/Mika
jagged pier
pelagos till 57
primal cape
Do you have a conduit screen ?
jagged pier
go leftside
primal cape
jagged pier
looks fine
primal cape
never used pelagos, lets see
primal cape
felt great with mikanikos haste buff and bottom shield
jagged pier
but u go left at the end
primal cape
is 80% blocked hits a good average?
jagged pier
depends on talents and leggo
if your running wall 60%
if your running wall + bolster like 75%
if your running reprisal + AM 80%
if your running reprisal +HR or bolster at least 90% but should more be 95%+
primal cape
reprisal + hr atm, can go around 80/85, hard to go more, ill see
trying to improve on damages, feeling hard to go over 4k
jagged pier
reprisal and HR should be close to 100% tbh
and u wont do any damage
as u chose HR
primal cape
HR is giving free SB charges on fight, idk if i could switch to AM
jagged pier
yer but your getting the same blocked hits than with just reprisal
so u arent managing the buff correctly
primal cape
O_O
ionic fern
Should be like 25+% of your overall.
jagged pier
ionic fern
^That's more what it should look like.
jagged pier
also this is what i mean this is blocked hits with reprisal alone so taking HR u should be higher blocked hits than this
ionic fern
Can i see you're healing done?
primal cape
pine herald
Has anyone tried in ToP to outrange Kul'Tharok and reflect that grasping reach cast?
jagged pier
dont bother
pine herald
Not reflectable?
primal cape
also this is what i mean this is blocked hits with reprisal alone so taking HR u...
are you using interv on cd and charges to perma refresh?
jagged pier
im utilizing reprisal as best i can here
ionic fern
Where's Barbs on your Damage meters Ogan ?👀
primal cape
Barbs ?? 😮
jagged pier
the torment power
primal cape
Which one is it
ionic fern
primal cape
Guess im picking something else i should not
ionic fern
👀
primal cape
what does it do?
ionic fern
A lot of damage.
primal cape
the last one
ionic fern
primal cape
coz im a bot facetanking
jagged pier
i mean even when facetanking u need to constantly move and adujst to keep mobs infront of u
primal cape
do you have all torment power like this
ionic fern
Crumbling Bulwark - 40% DR for 3 seconds at the beginning of combat + Vers.
Handbook of Uncivil Etiquette - Damage boost after interrupt (or sometimes Pendant of the Martyr - AoE damage reduction)
Stygian King's Barbs - DAMAGE
The Stone Ward - 20% HP shield (sometimes Broken mirror - 15% DR)
Are pretty much defaults. 👀
primal cape
sure, but that 10% armor felt great
jagged pier
well im never at 3 stacks
:Shrug:
and playing repirsal correctly u move around a lot
so its kinda pointless
and theres always things u need to move out off
primal cape
Crumbling Bulwark - 40% DR for 3 seconds at the beginning of combat + Vers.
Hand...
Handbook is really great? i had a doubt
ionic fern
It's "ok" compared to the other options there.
primal cape
yes, i guess i should refresh more on cd with charge/interv
ionic fern
do you have all torment power like this
primal cape
Is handbook single target ?
strong forum
That Revenge damage is awfully low for m+.
tbf, this was a soa run
this was my tyra soa 17
and soa is alot of ST
ionic fern
Curse of being 223 ilvl.
jagged pier
a break down of an soa i did last season cause i aint logged on this season
just press revengj
ionic fern
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rhjzTxDJbvkwtyY4#fight=4&type=summary&sourc...
Welp, the highest DPS player in my key was 4k DPS so...
😂
strong forum
OOF
ionic fern
Ngl there's a TON of bad DPS players..or maybe i'm just noticing it more.
Feels like a lot more than before.
primal cape
Ngl there's a TON of bad DPS players..or maybe i'm just noticing it more.
feeling it since 9.1 is out
strong forum
me with like 4.3k
strong forum
ionic fern
Usually they hover around 5.5k in my keys. 😂
strong forum
wtf
ionic fern
brah i would kill for a group to play with
Same.
strong forum
jagged pier
very
ionic fern
primal cape
my brain hurts when im seeing a bear
ionic fern
Why?
dusky mica
The solution for bad dps is to give us a Bastion of Might conduit. Seems simple to me!
Don't need the others when we are a god amongst plebs!
ruby oar
how's prot in torghast? is it easier than fury?
mellow bridge
the jump from 11 to 12 this week felt so weird to me
Last week me and a friend easily 5 stared both runs and this week we barely got 4
with every single pull feeling twice as hard as last week
blazing condor
Well recommended ilvl is 252 for layer 12 : D
wide pilot
What kind of overall dps are you guys getting in your dungeons?
summer adder
do you guys have issues holding threat on bosses?
summer adder
i mean in raid
summer adder
i have a druid mate and he just rips threat of me
jagged pier
logs?
the only way another tank can rip aggro is because the other tank isnt pressing any dps buttons
cedar spear
Remember to pull with taunt for the 3s of 300% extra threat
wide pilot
low 5ks - 6k depending on key and lvl and powers etc etc etc
You know how is compared to other tanks?
wide pilot
Must be a lot of tanks doing bad dmg then lol. Ppl seem to go crazy when I hit 5-5.1k
ionic fern
Jeah. 🙂
jagged pier
yes
ionic fern
"Last Warrior i had did 2.2k overall in a +14" was the last comment i got.
People not pressing Revenge. 😦
jagged pier
youll find a lot of tanks in the game, still play with the 'i am a tank i dont need to do damage' mentality
thats how u know they are not the best
jagged pier
u dont need IP i hardly press it
jagged pier
Nome and Mwahi both do higher keys than me, and press IP less than i do
jagged pier
u press IP if u feel like u need it or to bump rage
ionic fern
Nome and Mwahi both do higher keys than me, and press IP less than i do
Pretty sure that's not true - atleast not for me. I'm like the most casual player there is right now. 😂
But i do press IP very little yes.
ionic fern
Ignore Pain..more like Ignore Button..huehuehue.
jagged pier
^^
dark lark
How should I generally be chaining CDs? Should I go shortest to longest so that the shorter CDs come back for a second use? Or should I go longer CDs first to get them recharging asap. Thinking of the mythic eye p2 where you can't block shit