protection

[fringe marten]

So every single EVERY SINGLE season WILL BE "ok how big can we pull n' blast? ok..work with the weekly/seasonal affix so we don't pull stuff that kills us.."

and the way you achieve that? you end up occassionally CC'ing something? maybe? or pulling 1 LESS pack..or 1 MORE? sure..that's how extensive your creativity gets. And then somewhere in there is your 'skip'

Even when they added an affix, the final BFA one..that in THEORY should allow AMAZING creativity..what did people do? "kill xyz..use this to skip over there 'cause that's the worst pack we don't kill that..ok pull last boss with However many obelisk mobs we're willing to fight"

If you ever wanted route diversity and route 'challenge' every dungeon would have to have a few of the new dungeon 'weapons' or skips, or whatever..that ONLY certain classes could utilize. So when you're pugging you might get to use the hunter sneak section, or the warrior gate crashing section..or the Death knight undead charm NPC etc etc.

and like 2 of 4..would have to randomly be available each dungeon. So it's LEGIT random, and challenged you on the fly. Because otherwise you get the 'meta comp' issue STILL.

To be absolutely fair to the dev team; they really did try to spice up M+...every dungeon has benefits to certain covenants that can in some instances dramatically change how you're able to tackle the dungeon.

At least it shows they 'thought' about it, they put something in the development pipeline to make M+ better/more engaging. But M+ as an 'Esport" just isn't pulling people into WoW so they aren't going to pour that much development cycle into it.

[limpid anchor]

M+ and Arena could be so great to get more people to play. Sadly they don’t pour anything anywhere

[blazing condor]

We can thank raiderio a lot for the life that m+ has

Without raiderio score most people would just do weekly and thats it

[fringe marten]

^^

honestly yeah; I've met a ton of people that say "Yeah I just stay subbed for M+..it's really all I do.." and anyone that did that was doing so most likely due to raider.io (before blizzard adopted it..and that should tell you all you need to know)

[tardy sequoia]

Guys exactly in which dungeon should I take the 15% less incoming magic damage power vs the stone ward?

[strong forum]

None

[tardy sequoia]

Ok so stone ward is always better?

[strong forum]

Pmuch

[halcyon shard]

Stone ward is BUSTED

[strong forum]

Maybe plaguefall for last boss on high tyr keys

[tardy sequoia]

I thought in HoA for the depraved obliverators was useful

[strong forum]

Eh

Just interrupt

[blazing condor]

4head

not wrong though

[tardy sequoia]

unfortunately very few parties i was in ppl did interrupt

so i am basically expecting to wipe at some point during those pulls

[strong forum]

You could maybe argue for hoa for the last boss on high tyr keys

Cuz his dot FUCKS

But idk if its actually gonna be worth over picking stone ward

[tardy sequoia]

so basically best powers are:

• 5% more vers
• stone ward
• barbed lashes
• 10% less aoe dmg

am i correct?

[blazing condor]

i personally go 10% interrupt damage

other than that i take the same

[jagged pier]

personally i got for magic damage

i have a shard that does the same as stone ward

[blazing condor]

you could probably coordinate the aoe damage with the group for some dungeons

like gauntlet SD

[strong forum]

Ye

[blazing condor]

last time i did TOP i would move out of melee for the lich boss to give my DPS 10% increase on interrupt dps - yall think that'll be the play?

same for the 2nd boss in plaguefall i guess you can do that

[sharp night]

magic dr is good in hoa and soa generally since the things you fight after getting it mostly deal magic

[orchid frigate]

was so long ago i upgraded a legendary that i had forgot you didnt need new missives 😦

[mellow bridge]

I've def picked the 15% magic dr on tyra hoa

and I think it might be worth in SoA if you dont skip him (which you probably should be doing tho)

he's so late that you only really play the angels and the last two bosses with the buff; the 15% dr is pretty nice to soak all the orbs

[tardy sequoia]

Guys do u break in half pull 1/2 on sanguine depths?

[blazing condor]

You mean the first two packs you take to the lamp?

I usually have to blow defensives there but it’s easy to get fucked by the houndmaster traps as well

[tardy sequoia]

this week i mean

for necrotic

[ionic fern]

Nothing out of the ordinary.

Stun Animated Weapons that's what wrecks you and avoid traps.
Keep SB up and rotate CD's as necessary - as these are about to run out just leap away as normal.

[craggy pilot]

jesus Blighters in NW are ridiculous for Necrotic Affix

am i doing something wrong if i cant reset 45 necrotic stacks on blighters? or is the group setup wrong / not doing their job?

Blightbag, or patchwork soldiers, or wtf they called

[strong forum]

Play kleia with 8sec immunity

📈

[tropic linden]

Is it worth to switch from pelagos on necrotic weeks?

[strong forum]

Imo, 100%

Playing kleia with the immunity is huge QoL

[ionic fern]

Exactly, a QoL - but by no means needed.

[gloomy cradle]

Spear and run for the hills

Notably they don’t actually melee you when they leap, so assuming you’re moving you can still reset your stacks

[tropic linden]

Kyrian is QoL, if u want dmg u go NF

[ionic fern]

They both provide QoL improvements with their abilities. 👀

[craggy pilot]

im not Kyrian tho lol

had Warlock, Druid and Hunter

no CC when i was trying to kite the mobs

[ionic fern]

There you go.

[craggy pilot]

they just let them reset my 40+ stacks :<

druid was Feral tho, so no ents

[ionic fern]

Never rely on pug DPS'ers.
Expect them to not do anything.

[craggy pilot]

how can i reset stacks vs leap mobs then?

[ionic fern]

Stun->Leap/Intervene.

And run away

[craggy pilot]

ah Shockwave?

[ionic fern]

++

Generally leaping enemies also have some kind of range , if you can outrange it they won't leap. Not sure about the NW ones but i expect them not to be any different.

[fringe marten]

Goodstuffe yes I do that all the time on Kultharok for party 10% dam on interrupt HOWEVER; I learned a valuable lesson I did not know on one of them.. apparently he nukes whoever is closest?? I moved back to get my reflect off ..and the pally healer got E-RACED~

I thought "oh maybe he melee'd 'cause you were closer?" no he got nuked

[craggy pilot]

i literally got my 40 stacks to like 0.5 sec, and i got hit by an AA

[fringe marten]

so you have to do like a quick step out/in of the range to trigger Kultharok's cast...then let them get their kicks in, and you get your reflect in (it reflects for damage..so worth)

[gloomy cradle]

Same with dessia if you leap out he’ll slam whoever is closest

[ionic fern]

Leap + run and don't look back.
If they don't help with kiting you don't care about their "HOLD THE ENEMIES STILL I GOTTA DPS".

[fringe marten]

Goodstuffe another mob you'll do a similar, but literally inverted move on..is the golem boss in Spires. Dive into the middle of his model and he'll kinda' flip toward dps and start casting "charged stomp" then just pivot back out to your tanking position and spell reflect it..If you get the reflect cycle going on pull, it'll end up being your #2 or #1 damage source on him.

Speaking of ToP; what's the ? Right way to deal with the...? life drain/chomp whatever...on the butcher mobs in ToP? That move sometimes just giga trucks me.

[ionic fern]

Stun or outrange.

[fringe marten]

tried outranging once or twice, it always kept hitting..does it require an intervene/leap ?

[ionic fern]

I usually just Leap.

Not sure if you can do it by just walking but Leap works.

[fringe marten]

And it must be blockable because much of the time it's not bad and occassionally the guy just breaks out like...a VERY harshly worded letter to my superiors and just consumes a portion of my soul.

So i'm guessing that's the chomp getting in between block windows.

[ionic fern]

It heals him tho so you don't wanna take it. :(

[fringe marten]

I know; is the heal a set amount or a % of the damage dealt?

I should just look at it in mdt.

Like on a high fortified key that ability is gonna' be some 1 shotty bidness.

[marsh aurora]

In top the lich boss seems to be stacking necrotic stacks quite randomly, sometimes she'll do 2 mechanics in a row and you can destack, sometimes she won't, how do I deal with that?

[ionic fern]

300% of the damage dealt iirc.

[ionic fern]

No reason to tank it tho. :(

[dusky canopy]

Boys has anyone else had issues with tarragrue threat? No matter what my co tank BrM did last night he could not hold threat from me he would taunt after over power and in a matter of seconds I would steal aggro through damage NOT a taunt..
The only way around it was to have him take every over power lmao..

[haughty sleet]

Is he pressing buttons?

[dusky canopy]

Oh yeah he was doing about 4kdps but I was doing over 7k..

[haughty sleet]

Did he have full simp powers?

And did you have all offensive?

[dusky canopy]

We both had life blade

I had 30% all stats he did not

[turbid cargo]

how was he only doing 4k dps with lifetaker

[limpid anchor]

It’s the others who have issues.

[dusky canopy]

Ok I figured as much but it definitely made eme feel like I was doing something wrong..

[limpid anchor]

Nah. If you take aggro with dps it’s hardly your fault

[dusky canopy]

I literally had to put my back to the boss after he taunted until the overpower went off.. it was driving me nuts

[haughty sleet]

4k on the grue seems really low

[dusky canopy]

So it was co tanks lack of damage

Thanks for the incite

Yeah he's only 220ish in Brm spec he usually ww so maybe that played a big part? Long story short We couldn't find a tank so he was trying to fill for us

LFG has been dead for me atleast for heroic.. idk about you guys?

[limpid anchor]

Well if you play with a tank that has neither experience nor gear

You shouldn’t push too hard.

[dusky canopy]

Word

But you know

We're warriors

[haughty sleet]

The amount of unblockable abilities in sod is depressing me

[tardy sequoia]

I hate when something like this happens: queued for a +16 SoA, I had my route well prepared (dratnos one), then dps prompted me to pull more or pulling themselves so I had a shitton difficulty gaining aggro.

Then after wiping at 3rd boss for the first time the hunter told me I was a MoFo and left.

😵‍💫

[plush tendon]

ooof

unlucky

[plush tendon]

Other then damage and movement, I feel useless on my war

Also, add to the fact we have 3 other warriors, rally aint even special

[haughty sleet]

Yeah it’s hard to justify running Prot over arms atm

[plush tendon]

Im making the swap back to my DK for raid: doesnt help that hes been much more fortunate in his domination slot acquisition

[plush tendon]

its hard to justify 1 NF arms, 1 Venthyr Arms, 1 NF Fury, and 1 NF Prot

and no goddamn priest!

[north rampart]

Any SoD bosses we are extra gooderer at tanking?

[plush tendon]

Not really; still a strong tank, but nothing groundbreaking

[haughty sleet]

Mythic sod feels pretty bad for me tankiness wise through 3/10m

[plush tendon]

Doesnt mean dont play it

[north rampart]

Would like to tank 1 or 2 bosses next time we clear sod, just want to pick whichever ones im most suited to to start with. Any bosses that are especialy bad for prot?

[plush tendon]

Prot still super fun, mobile, and totally viable in the raid; you just dont bring anything unique

The eye cant be blocked apparently

other then that, be careful of charge in Painsmith; everything else is gg

[haughty sleet]

Eye can’t be blocked, pierce soul in the nine can’t be blocked

[grim fable]

Hi guys, what's the current covenant for protection warriors?

[plush tendon]

in all seriousness Kyiran>=NF>Necro>Venthyr

[grim fable]

Cool! i'm gonna try Kyrian then

[distant crystal]

kyrian can fly in their sanctum

[plush tendon]

But you dont lose much by playing any of the Covs

[distant crystal]

i rest my case

[patent osprey]

I'd rather be a venthyr than a necro

f necro

[plush tendon]

Why does Necro always get the short end of the stick

I wont lie... been getting a little bored of NF recently and might make a change

but we are running low on NFs for M+ somehow

and have Kyrians out the wazoo

plus they just nerfed the NW weps so I'm already a bit a upset at the angels

[grim fable]

There are 2 prot warriors NF in the top 10 raider io 🤔

[plush tendon]

Yea, all Covs totally viable

[jagged pier]

this

[ionic fern]

Idk man

[dusky elk]

I must be doing something super wrong in my rotation......

[grim fable]

i was looking globally 😆

[ionic fern]

It is global.

👀

[dusky elk]

234 ilvl I dont think i pulled over 3k dps on any of our heroic fights lol

[grim fable]

I mean, for all tank specs

[plush tendon]

well thats not helpful

[ionic fern]

Regardless, that literally doesn't show anything.
A lot of M+ prot warriors are DPS'ers in raid.

[dusky canopy]

It's all in the powers, get the life steal blade power and 1 other dps power and you'll be over 5k easily

[dusky elk]

How much do you pull on the other fights?

[plush tendon]

hell I see a Chinese BDK as number 1. BDK Meta confirmed

[dusky elk]

Almost all my rage goes into keeping me alive, not revenge or anything lol

[dusky canopy]

Between 3k-4k usually nothing impressive

Same here I feel like I'm using alot of ip to survive

[turbid cargo]

it be like that early in the tier

[dusky elk]

I have a Brewmaster main tank who can just take hits like a champ. These bosses seem to smack me though.

[dusky canopy]

It's because we really can't Block alot this tier

So outside of sw and ip spam we get clapped

[turbid cargo]

I do at least feel well-equipped to handle everything this tier. Only times I've gotten bent over have been entirely my fault

[dusky canopy]

Right^ manage sw usage and rage well and you'll be fine

[grim fable]

is there a good beginners guide out there?

I really want to try prot warrior 🤔

[plush tendon]

Wowhead, Icy Veins, Plka streams 😛

Pinned notes

[turbid cargo]

as well

[grim fable]

Aight, thanks guys!

[turbid cargo]

Icy Veins' info on prot is really well-written. Easy to understand and put into practice

[dusky elk]

On this note, I've been taking Heavy Repercussions cause I struggle with shield block uptime. I guess Anger Management is the better choice then?

[turbid cargo]

honestly, if you're struggling with SB uptime either you and your co-tank's swaps are wonky, or you're pressing it at weird times

[dusky elk]

I just need to get better at using my leggo while in raid I think, to fill the gaps

[turbid cargo]

HR is almost never the answer (not right now at least)

[dusky elk]

seems wonky to jump out and charge in raid

[plush tendon]

HR is the answer for the lazy

[mellow bridge]

on most bosses you can charge in right before the tauntswap

then have several SB charges + intervene until your cotank taunts again

just doing that is almost always enough

[dusky elk]

This is also my first tier as both Tank and warrior. I main'd Spriest for all of tier 1.

[mellow bridge]

a lot of bosses have casts where you can just walk out and charge in too

like guardian when he does his big laser

[turbid cargo]

I just straight up run The Wall. ~70%+ physical hits blocked without Reprisal, rather have SW off CD more often on bosses

[dusky elk]

I made a big booboo and was intervening the tank instead of melee DPS. Ended up with both of us having 6 stacks of debuff on the nine lol

[turbid cargo]

yep, done that

we have a DK that's a really reliable "doesn't die to shit" that also hangs straight from the boss' balls in the middle of the hitbox, so if I'm doing shady stuff with Reprisal I just keep him focused with an intervene focus macro

[turbid cargo]

if you have a log link you want to DM me I can peek at it while I'm on calls and see if anything stands out

[dusky elk]

yeah absolutely, gimme a min

[dusky canopy]

I've been considering using the wall for raid

Atleast some fights

Having wall every minute could be useful on like the eye, nine, guardian etc..

[fading dirge]

Is it common for us to be much lower then the co tanks on damage taken? I tank with a monk and their damage taken is always a lot higher then mine. But my mitigation % is a lot higher (20-25% sometimes). Am I just not tanking the boss as much or is this common?

[jagged pier]

yes

[blazing condor]

Throwback to sludge where my damage taken was that of the dps

[mellow bridge]

brm by design takes a lot of damage, stagger just makes it very easy to heal

and you can check tanking uptime in logs, just go on threat and compare it

[fading dirge]

appreciate that, I have 4% more up time. So im assuming my damage taken being lower is because we dont really heal we mitigate?

[blazing condor]

Yep

Other classes make up for damage taken, we simply just dont take as much damage originally

[plush tendon]

In the aggregate, the external HPS required for each tank is roughly the same

[dusky canopy]

+1 mitigation tank!

[plush tendon]

Of course, a lot of those metrics get thrown out the window in high end content, still the concept is the same

Disclaimer: I'm not a theory crafter nor do I know the big maths; I just read/watch content that explains this

[blazing condor]

Source: none i made it up, but its logical

🙂

[fading dirge]

appreciate the feed back. I did post some logs in the review channel but they never got looked at. Could I drop them in here and get some feedback if possible? First time tanking since Wrath. My damage/healing numbers are low so I feel like Im doing something wrong (rage management or something). Im working on using my reprisal more for more shield block but looking to see if there is any obvious things im doing wrong

[plush tendon]

Sure 🙂

[fading dirge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yDCJbMfrxwGqB2Na/

Ive been reviewing my streams and taking notes like (i could have intervened there and gotten more SB uptime) but Im sure there is a lot of other things I could be doing to pull better numbers to be a better asset to the team? I get my job is not die lol

[craggy pilot]

how do i get a new 2h if my loot spec is always Prot? 🤔

[jagged pier]

buy the pvp one

[craggy pilot]

honor?

what ilvl is that?

[jagged pier]

or conquest

🤷

kinda hard to get a 2h if u dont swap out of prot

[craggy pilot]

😄

the Korthia campaign doesnt give 2h?

[distant crystal]

just swap your lootspec 4head

should really be thinking about your lootspec for each boss in raid and each dungeon you run

[craggy pilot]

yesterday i swapped loot spec to Fury, because the dung didnt drop a Shield, and today i ran a bunch of TOP for shield, and forgot i still had fury loot spec :<

[distant crystal]

even if you don't want a 2h it can help you avoid getting trash trinkets and stuff

[craggy pilot]

hmm good idea

maybe ill make a WA that says "check loot spec" when ready check pops up 😄

[distant crystal]

https://wago.io/S1MQ5PsIm

[craggy pilot]

ah just checked, Conq 2h is 220 ilvl

alrdy have 226 from last season M+

[jagged pier]

your shield block is a little low, like on the nine you have 67% blocked hits, where in my logs i have like 80% without really tracking it at all, you wasted about 200 rage over the fight which is can be improved for sure, your casts are a little low for sure, u should have 15 SS CPM, and 12-13 TC CPM and well its an early boss so your revenge casts can be far far up, but prio getting used to using SS and TC on cd your missing a lot of rage by not using them on cd

[fading dirge]

thanks! Question, there are times when im at 100 rage and shield slam procs while im not tanking (like during lust) should I SS and just over cap or should I just dump it into IP even if im not taking damage?

[jagged pier]

u should never go over 85 rage

as past that point a SS will overcap u

[fading dirge]

So should i dump it into IP (when Im getting a lot of SS procs) and cant dump it fast enough with revenge while prioritizing SS?

[jagged pier]

yes

[fading dirge]

kk appreciate the comments

[quiet pond]

hey, has anyone tried glory instead of reprisal this patch?

[prisma bear]

yeah

in raid go for it but be very cautious in m+

reprisal is better in almost every circumstance but glory is fun

[quiet pond]

I'm up for the fun! 😄 reprisal seems too good to give up

[prisma bear]

dont give up reprisal lol

i said before too on fights like fatescribe or in dungeons like HoA/SD where lots of stuff isnt blockable i reach for glory

but reprisal is the best overall legendary

[distant crystal]

damn

kyrian's can remove necrotic stacks from other ppl now

p sick

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=351489/hope-springs-eternal

if the tank is the lowest health ally, phial will remove their stacks and heal (but not actually heal because the heal comes before the stack removal iirc)

[long bronze]

bros I am about to be the most hated person in here but I need help

what do

[jagged pier]

shield

[distant crystal]

lid unless you expect to start killing M Terra like, today

[dusky canopy]

Shield is our best item right? Do to block

[jagged pier]

yes

[long bronze]

I have a 233 shield, 220 scale, and a 223 wep - that probably won't change anything huh

[jagged pier]

nope

[dusky canopy]

Wake I'd go shield

[jagged pier]

3 ilvls on shield is better

[dusky canopy]

Scale is meh when aegis exists

[jagged pier]

than like nearly anything

[dusky canopy]

Plus you have a 220 scale to get you by

I landed 252 shield in my first vault

[long bronze]

yeah copy that. My brain says theres less chance to get a scale again than a shield but the aegis point is a solid one

[dusky canopy]

[jagged pier]

u dont run scale

unless u want it for raid

[dusky canopy]

Aegis

Aegis

[long bronze]

I'm gonna go with shield, I just need to take in this vault still. Insane lol

[dusky canopy]

I'll be back to gloat about aegis when it drops for me in patch 10.0

[woven bear]

Is a high ilvl shield very important?

[stark sage]

yes

[distant crystal]

shield is basically your weap

[woven bear]

Should I upgrade it with valor before I upgrade my scale?

[distant crystal]

shield ilvl is the be all end all

[woven bear]

got a 236 shield and 236 scale

[dusky canopy]

Your shield blocks

@jagged pier if I remember correctly when we were talking about this a few days ago.. shield effects how much you can crit block right? So higher ilvl shield means you can block more crit damage?

Like if a mob is enraged and is slapping you with "crits" it wouldn't hurt as much with high ilvl shield? Or does it not work like that?

[ionic fern]

Critical block is double of your normal block amount up to 85%.
Your shield ilvl influences your base block value therefor also influencing the crit block.

[dusky canopy]

There's the math thanks mwahi!

[jagged pier]

that werent me saying that but what mwahi says is true

[blazing condor]

the auto-phial on mikanikos cant be good right

tryna look at paths

[ionic fern]

Both are kinda bad options.

[blazing condor]

yea

not many potency options i feel like

[dusky canopy]

I've had it proc right before getting bleeds in hoa witch caused a wipe and since then I run the other option

[jagged pier]

like the only week where i activly use phial is necro weeks

[dusky canopy]

The auto proc removes utility

[blazing condor]

i dont want big covenant taking control of my healing

[jagged pier]

and even then its because im low and to remove stacks at the same time

so it doesnt matter

[dusky canopy]

When the keys high enough where two wicked bolts for example could proc it

Run the other option

[jagged pier]

if your doing that high content wicked bolts should be being kicked

[blazing condor]

you'd be surprised

[dusky canopy]

I mean you are correct haha

45k wicked bolts feel fantastic!

[blazing condor]

thank blizz for buffing them

🙏

[jagged pier]

just shockwave stack and SR

[paper sorrel]

can you get hit by melee while intervening and charging?

[jagged pier]

yep

[paper sorrel]

thanks 😛

[distant crystal]

how does shard interact with shield block

[jagged pier]

what?

[north comet]

I've tanked guardian of last ones lately and I felt like without shield block on all hits and CD pretty weak. Without heal 2 hits and dead. Mele for 40k with 76 k HP. I was looking at logs and warriors did not tank this boss for like 50% of fight. It was like 10-20 % and rest was monk or other tank

[jagged pier]

then hes playing wrong

guardian literaly tickles if played correctly

[plush tendon]

^

[north comet]

Seriously? Mele hits during casts are tough

[plush tendon]

The only time you feel in danger is during Obliterate if you are doing tank solo soak with 1 person immuning

[north comet]

Obliterate is possible on war tank solo?

[plush tendon]

I did last night; we had a mage iceblock for both me and the DH

granted, we planned our druids barksin and sac to help the tanks

[distant crystal]

@jagged pier like, does it get reduced by block first, then the shard flat DR

or vice versa

cause the former is a lot less final dmg than the latter

[plush tendon]

Guardians is basically just CD management; spend some time before pulling planning out the healer CDs and your own damage CDs and that fight is smooth AF

[north comet]

And u were playing reprisal or wall?

[ionic fern]

Iirc it's MItigation>Absorbs>Health.

[jagged pier]

its a reprisal fight

[distant crystal]

does shard just count as an absorb then?

[jagged pier]

do u have logs of this warrior?

[jagged pier]

yes

[distant crystal]

nice, so it's even more busted for block specs

[north comet]

What shard ur talking about ?

[distant crystal]

pay no attention to the primary stat

😀

[north comet]

Yeah I have it.

[dusky canopy]

Oh he means aegis

Now I get it

[jagged pier]

its not an absorb

its literally if i prevent x amount of damage

[distant crystal]

so no healing meters pad 😦

[jagged pier]

which in a big pull it will

it shows up on healing

[ionic fern]

Tbh i thought you're talking about the frost absorb Shard.

[north comet]

It's absorb. That how details count it

[ionic fern]

😂

[jagged pier]

but just for that amount

i think we all were mwahi

as its aegis

not shard

[distant crystal]

i just mean like, made up numbers, let's say a 10000 melee and you block for 30%

10000 * .7 - 7531, vs (10000 - 7531) * .7

which one of those is it

[north comet]

This trinq does 2 times absorb of other side trinq but it lacs the dps value on m+

[distant crystal]

the former you take no dmg at all in this example :p the latter you take 1728

[lavish raptor]

Vers + Haste the stats to go on reprisal legendary for Leg slot?

[distant crystal]

and this trinket should do more dmg than scale, no?

at around 5-6+ targets at least

[jagged pier]

no

[distant crystal]

and how

[jagged pier]

it literally does no damage cone is tiny it really just used for the mitigation tbh

[distant crystal]

unfort

cause it's uncapped from looks of it

[strong forum]

It is uncapped but incredibly hard to hit

You can theoretically do 80k dmg per use

theoretically

[jagged pier]

yes

[strong forum]

Also PSA: if you use scale for the dmg it does, you're using it for the wrong reasons and you should stop using it.

[jagged pier]

^^

[distant crystal]

I use it for the red cosmetic

but also the 85K absorb

[true olive]

Does the shield block folks from clicking consumeables like fleshcraft does?

[plush tendon]

Damn, that pikachu face makes me question myself

[true olive]

Might be a game changer

[plush tendon]

WTB Wholesome Pikachu emotes from Plka

[strong forum]

Only sus emotes here

Judging you and your choices

[plush tendon]

[digital arch]

guys, i found it, but where can i get the mog now?

[plush tendon]

go to class order hall

with your artifact equipped

and use the mog thing; thatll activate it for future mogging

[strong forum]

Just use it

And you'll get it

[devout heron]

damn im sweating

dps is so much easier

than tanking

[strong forum]

It is

[jagged pier]

yes

[devout heron]

that 40 min felt sooooo fast

while stressing about mechanics and my hpğ

[strong forum]

:)

[violet violet]

Which shards are best for tanking keys?

[strong forum]

Tank is the most stressful role in m+

[violet violet]

Anyone have a prio order?

[jagged pier]

blood

[strong forum]

Don't think anybody cared setting up an m+ prio list for shards

[dusky canopy]

Kyr shard does great overall healing

[jagged pier]

throughput shards

and kyr and the drain hp one probs

[devout heron]

but we still timed it!!!

having spell reflection on ToP last boss is huge though

tanking it wihout a sweat

only damage ability is it i think

heavy one

[violet violet]

Thank you for that!❤️

[silk edge]

Does the light buble extra button from the gauntlet in SD clears necrotic stacks ? Not sure if it was that or the new kleia kyrian trait

[strong forum]

It does

[silk edge]

Welp… you learn everyday

Thx !

[strong forum]

Also clears grievous

[north comet]

Yeah but after first scythe next spell reflect is desynced like 1 sec :p and you have to use first like 3 sec before cast

Btw domu you guys have any tips for tanking Fatescribe Roh-Kalo or KT ? Like use this trinq it's super cool or reflect that shot or something?

[carmine rain]

is IQD good for tanking? just had a 233 drop

[distant crystal]

for bears ya

warriors not so much

[jagged pier]

its bad for us

[void stump]

is prot the easiest for targhast 4/5 star?

[carmine rain]

damn

thought i hit a jackpot

[strong forum]

Depends, I found in wings where you can't pull big/have low mob density, like mortregar fury/arms Was alot more tolerable

[jagged pier]

fury honestly

[void stump]

Ok cool

is the build for that on wowheaD?

[jagged pier]

i just ran the standard fury build all the top fury ios were using tbh

[void stump]

torghast raider.io?

[jagged pier]

no

just general

i looked at therre talents and took them

as thats what u would use in aoe which torghast is

[modern brook]

It's torghast bro just enter with items equipped and that's the build

[jagged pier]

i mean u can just go layer 10 and 5 star

makes no difference

[distant crystal]

oh is that confirmed

layer doesn't affect adament vault drops?

[sweet summit]

i think adamant vaults is weekly per "group", so twice a week
but higher layers have higher drop rates for actual things

[distant crystal]

i just want some conduits

[carmine rain]

what drops out of adamant vaults?

[jagged pier]

i mean even at layer 12 its not 100% to get the upgrade

[sweet summit]

tmog/toys/sockets/conduit upgrades

[carmine rain]

damn nice

so if you 5 star a torghast you get to go to the adamant vaults?

[distant crystal]

ye

an extra floor and then a boss floor

[jagged pier]

if u have unlocked it in the box of many things

[somber stump]

Tmog is 1k on the vendor tho

[sweet summit]

u have to unlock it with tower knowledge

[distant crystal]

that too

[carmine rain]

oh ok

thanks for info guys

[somber stump]

I had an item which upgraded my lowest conduit up to 252, but it only does 13ilvls so keep that in mind and dont use it if you have anything lower than 226

And a toy

And you get about 500 useless anima

[jagged pier]

yes because that item can upgrade to 252 but only upgrades one of your lowest conduits at random to the next rank, its the same as the old conduit upgrade, but at least we have more ways of getting it this time

getting 226 PV last out of rng was fucking disgusting

[mighty valley]

gonna try and save them til i've got everything up to 226 with korthia items etc

[jagged pier]

u can only have 1 in bags at a time no?

[indigo pagoda]

reprisal for raiding right?

[prime kernel]

why do out of a sudden all prot warriors use Heavy Repercussions now (talking about m+)

[blazing condor]

tldr: more shield block uptime

good for dungeons that have heavy physical damage

[mighty valley]

i wouldn't say all of them do it, just the ones pushing v high keys where damage gets wild

plka was talking about how it's a little more forgiving on shield block uptime which lets him focus on shotcalling the dungeon

[tardy sequoia]

Guys how do you deal with 1st three bosses ToP that apply necrotic?

[prime kernel]

oh kk, makes sense thx
I was wondering if they run it with a specyfic values of haste or smth (cuz some of them also take Into the Fray with that)
But i guess if u're not on some super physical / high key then AM is the choice then

[tardy sequoia]

kiting is impossible

[jagged pier]

kill the melee one the other 2 just cast

so they dont give stacks

[mellow bridge]

you can ask your group to kite the enrage too instead of soothing it

gives you time to reset stacks

and ye just dont kick this week except for the searing death

[devout heron]

is boosting someone 52-60

is enough for renown catchup

thinking switch kyrişan

[rancid ember]

Like Dungeon boosting? Probably yeah. 4~ dungeons a level I'd think. 4 x 8, 32 and you'll prob do assaults/emissaries/campaign along the way.

Idk if it'll always drop in normal dungeons though

[devout heron]

how about

how can i empty my 30k anima

so quickly

from sacntum

[rancid ember]

Research or buy Tmogs?

[trail brook]

What trinkets do u use for m+?

The hakkar one and what else?

[mellow bridge]

scale or aegis

and then you have several options

old warrior sould, defense matrix, maybe titanic ocular, phial are some that come to mind spontaneously

[amber herald]

scale and phial from pf

[trail brook]

How much dmg does phial normally provide?

[violet violet]

2-3% overall

Uhhh actually that’s as dps. Idk the % as prot, sorry

[mighty valley]

my 226 phial would be like 5% of my damage over a standard boss in nathria

[lofty thistle]

@strong forum I'd say healer is, at least for pugging

[jolly coral]

Reprisal on boots same to upgrade? theres no dom socket on boots right?

safew

[mellow bridge]

Yeah but legs are a better slot

If you don't care about soul ash, get legs

[mighty valley]

Making a new r6 is basically the same cost as making an r4 into an r6 now that we're drowning in soul ash

[dusky elk]

Does avatar work on the ghosts in ToP?

[quiet crane]

yes

but only for the intial cast

doesnt make you immune to being targeted and slowed again

[dusky elk]

Gotcha, ty

[severe temple]

Hey, do mages or ranged adds in NW second boss need to be tanked?

[amber herald]

they need to be grouped up to kill them yeah

[mighty valley]

Go stand on the crossbow guy, people should be kicking casters and bringing them to you

You can also charge a caster yourself to kick it then jump to crossbow

Damn, hit 30% unbuffed haste

Time to care a little about diminishing returns

But only a little

[dusky elk]

Just noticed i hit that too. Is into the fray still worth taking at 30%?

not sure when diminishing hits

[mighty valley]

Yeah, DR only applies to stats from gear, so don't worry about buffs etc

oh that's not quite true - buffs to ratings are penalized

but flat percentages like lust or ITF are not

[dusky elk]

Man that jump to 43% with 5 allies nearby is sick

gotta petition my Raid lead to get more melee

[mighty valley]

ITF is basically always maxed in my raid

[dusky elk]

Our raid team blew up, we only have 2 melee plus the 2 tanks right now :\

[mighty valley]

hey that plus the boss is 5

no melee healers?

[dusky elk]

Forgot enemies count

yeah we have a fistweaver

[mighty valley]

hell yeah

[dusky elk]

Someone tell me how 30% base haste + 10% haste ITF = 43% though lol

[mighty valley]

huh weird, is it bugged? i'm also getting more than a flat 10%

[obtuse monolith]

“30% haste” = 130%.
130% x 110% = 143%

[strong forum]

@dusky elk @mighty valley its a multiplier, not an addition

Your base haste at 0%haste is 100%

[dusky elk]

ahhh sick

[strong forum]

As slyver wrote mathed out

Heroism/Bloodlust works the same way

Any % haste gain is a multiplier

[mighty valley]

ohhhhhhhhhhhh

good maths everyone, thanks

i have a degree in computer science and i'm still stupid with numbers

[strong forum]

Begone thot

[oblique garnet]

$pb 179079747890839552

[true pawn]

Done.

[lavish raptor]

The pins say reprisal should be crafted on legs, but warcraft logs is showing most top prot crafting it on their feet, please advise why?

[sweet summit]

Last tier had high ilvl legs from last two

[uneven mason]

because previous raid had sexy legs on SLG

👋

[sweet summit]

👋

Been a while

[uneven mason]

I moved

PC was in a big tin box in a storage warehouse

[carmine rain]

when you get shards in SoD does that count as your loot drop? or is it an independent loot system?

[uneven mason]

@sweet summit prot still best tank?

[sweet summit]

Its on its own shit rng roll

[carmine rain]

ok thanks!

[sweet summit]

Ya ofc

[uneven mason]

Don't answer that, I already know the answer.

[sweet summit]

Prot owns

[uneven mason]

"always"

[carmine rain]

just got my Shard of Bek 🙂

[sturdy sable]

Even after all this time

[uneven mason]

oof, shards, sounds new, I got some reading todo.

[sturdy sable]

Its rng squared

[sweet summit]

Yep

It sucks

Hate it

[carmine rain]

its super alt unfriendly lol

takes forever yo get an alt caught up now

[sweet summit]

Eh not really

[lavish raptor]

so should i be crafting reprisal on feet now? think the pins should be edited, almost dropped 5k ashes on it

[sweet summit]

Just gotta clear at least normal for a few weeks to get the shards

[sturdy sable]

Raid finder might help with that

[carmine rain]

yeah i suppose when more RF is out

[sweet summit]

No, pins are up to date

[lavish raptor]

pins are showing Reprisal should be crafted on legs

[sturdy sable]

As they should be

[sweet summit]

It should

[lavish raptor]

so why are top warriors using feet reprisal?

[sweet summit]

I told you

[sturdy sable]

Last tier had high ilvl legs from last two

[uneven mason]

Because they alerady have a high tier crafted reprisal in that slot due to good high ilvl legs in Mythic CN

[lavish raptor]

oh derp

[uneven mason]

but if you have crappy pants

put em there.

[lavish raptor]

got 226 legs and pants

[sweet summit]

Legs for sure

[uneven mason]

indeed.

[lavish raptor]

190 reprisal on legs, i guess im safe to bump it to 235 now

thanks

[sturdy sable]

Legs AND pants look at this fancy boy

[sweet summit]

[sturdy sable]

Ive only got the pants

[uneven mason]

he's wearing a slip and pantyhose

[lavish raptor]

oops i meant feet and pants

haha

[uneven mason]

I wear no pants.

[lavish raptor]

Ok some more thing. I just started tanking today, no real experience. pulling 3k dps in M+. Generally speaking, what are the first go to tips for newb warrior mistakes im probably making

[sturdy sable]

Hitting ignore pain

[sweet summit]

Stip using IP so much

Keep up SB

[uneven mason]

watch your SB Uptime, hit revenge

done

[sweet summit]

Press buttons

[sturdy sable]

A 8k shit absorb aint gonna save your life

[lavish raptor]

whats the optimum SB uptime in a M+?

[uneven mason]

100% of blockable hits

[sweet summit]

Uptime is irrelevant

Want high blockedhits %

[sturdy sable]

Effective blocks are more important then uptime

[uneven mason]

well, effective uptime

[lavish raptor]

does details shoe blocked hits %?

*show

[sweet summit]

No

[uneven mason]

with reprisal SB is pretty autopilot.

[sturdy sable]

Logs will

[sturdy sable]

This

[uneven mason]

unless they hard nerfed us since I last played

which I'm assuming they have not.

[lavish raptor]

im having trouble making use of intervene, should i juist focus macro the melee inm my group? lol

[uneven mason]

setup a mouseover macro

and don't fret burning your intervent

[lavish raptor]

Double time > Stormbolt for M+?

[uneven mason]

use it on melee if it won't spin mobs, or expose your back

[sturdy sable]

Shield slam and thunderclap are your main generators

[sweet summit]

Prefrence

I prefer srorm bolt

[uneven mason]

SB still very strong

ranged interrupt

it sexy

[lavish raptor]

yeah im gonna feel bad losing it

[sturdy sable]

More generators=more rage=more rage to spend=more dam and healing

Also anger management

[mighty valley]

If you pug a lot definitely storm bolt, if you have a team and you trust their CC double time can be good

[lavish raptor]

Ok, since i dont know whats blockable yet, is it safe to just slam Shield BLock on cooldown?

[sweet summit]

No

[sturdy sable]

Use your wall more liberally then you currently are

[mighty valley]

If enemies are hitting you, have SB up

[sturdy sable]

I can tell you this rn your probably holding onto it for no reason

[sweet summit]

Reflectguide in the pins also has block sheet

[uneven mason]

if a mob is in front if you, chances are you are taking blockable hits, unless its casting.

[sweet summit]

But tldr

[lavish raptor]

Yes im getting maybe 7 casts of SW / LS per run lol

pretty bad i can tell

[sweet summit]

If its not magic its blockable

[lavish raptor]

That probably coems with tanking more runs and knowing when damage packs happen

[uneven mason]

ehh

[uneven mason]

that one jerk in top

[sturdy sable]

With Anger management and proper play youll have wall back before you know it. Its better to use something now to survive then save it for later and die now

[sweet summit]

I just mash on cd unless there is a certain pull i know i need it for

[sturdy sable]

Ditto but i dont recommend it tbh

[sweet summit]

Which is just 2nd bull of DoS that comes to mind

Pull

Not bull lol

[sturdy sable]

I feel like some thought to wall usage is needed but i just autopilot at this point

[sweet summit]

Im just farming 15s for vault so ook ook

[sturdy sable]

Hell ill blow it to recharge block lol

[sweet summit]

Same

Thats not wrong tho

[sturdy sable]

But then i cant blow it for 20%

And funnel executes

[fading dirge]

Kyrian potion drops Necrotic right?

[sturdy sable]

It should

So does shadow meld but you will have to aoe taunt right after because it drops you from the threat table

[sweet summit]

It removes current stacks

Kleia also has 7(?) Second immunity soulbind trait which can be handy

Nice QoL

[eternal belfry]

NF vs kyrian for m+?

[sweet summit]

Yes

Kyrian is a bit better overall

NF is more damage

[eternal belfry]

So Kyrian more balanced and NF just offensive ok, ty

[sweet summit]

Not really

NF still has defensive value

Just doesnt have phial/tether

[carmine rain]

damn 5/10 b osses in normal SOD and ive gotten 3 shards

do dom sockets work outside of raid

[eternal belfry]

yes just not set

[carmine rain]

ok

thanks!

[eternal belfry]

d

[uneven mason]

still trucks?

[oblique garnet]

@modern brook Im back on warrior

[carmine rain]

is there a way to extract a shard from a dom socket if i get a better piece?

[inland raft]

Chisel

From bonesmith

[carmine rain]

is it a 1 time use item? or 1 time purcahse?

[inland raft]

One time purchase, And be sure you remove ir every yime and dont overwrite or you lose your gem and blizzard wont give it back

[carmine rain]

damn

thanks for the info

[inland raft]

Theres an addon to help prevent doing it by accident

Domination helper or something wowhead did an article

[carmine rain]

so once you uppgrade the shards can you keep upgrading them?

and if you have a dom socket you pretty much wear it over everything right?

[oblique garnet]

yeah there are some cases where you might want to play something over that in m+

[modern brook]

Idk why you @ me for that but I'm very happy you did and very happy to hear

[oblique garnet]

because that might mean i will stream sometime again tanking keys 🙂

[modern brook]

ehem

PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWG

[dusky elk]

Assume you're talking about the boss on ghost side. Is shield block useless to cast here?

[oblique garnet]

wth

oh

pog

[empty spindle]

Is there a haste cap for prot warriors

[oblique garnet]

no

[empty spindle]

At what % should we stop stacking haste

[oblique garnet]

there is no cap

[mighty valley]

diminishing returns kicks in very slightly at 30% haste but it's still almost certainly our best stat in most reasonable gear this tier

especially since some of the dom sockets have zero haste

[fair rune]

whats the effective cd of shield wall when running AM?

[modern brook]

Am about halves it with good play

[blazing condor]

39% unbuffed is pretty much the ”limit” for us

[empty spindle]

I’m 30% Rn

[hollow sun]

someone else gets trucked by the first boss of theater? The warrior melees very hard, tried it on a 17

[jagged pier]

not really just have shield block up for mortal strike otherwise it will take to much damage and u wont be able to be healed out of it

[hollow sun]

i had near 85% block uptime there

idk

i had to heroic leap and soulshape very often there, it was harder than gorechop

[silk edge]

On necrotic yea you have to focus dessia first to drop stacks easier

[chilly brook]

Dessia is focus, save shield wall for nasty overlaps of mortal strike and higher necrotic stacks. Ideally you have your team hold off on soothing her enrage fixate until you drop stacks.

If you get past first boss it's honestly a pretty free dungeon

[tame jasper]

Kyr (absorb) and Cor (+dam for every new enemy) are the 2 shards I should socket first for m+ right? (feels bad to downgrade 20ilvl for these socckets -_-9

[lucid pasture]

20 ilvl monkaKEK

[mighty valley]

god sanguine is so free right now

spiteful ghosts give you stacks from venthyr jars

and the dungeon has just generally been nerfed to hell

[primal cape]

i dont remember how to pick logs guys

[flint cliff]

Kyrian is golden on necrotic weeks. Pug'ing keys dont expect help from the group. I switched to kyrian from nf bc of necrotic this week. TOP first boss for example phial is a gamechanger and makes on pugs the difference between timing this key or deplete on first boss

[primal cape]

where can i find my % sb blocked on logs ?

[blazing condor]

Check damage taken, melee hits

Then hover over the hits

[primal cape]

did a small run to try logging : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1kvNKgfCxWzVnF3D/#boss=-3&difficulty=0&type=damage-taken&ability=1

[river escarp]

Best leggo for torghast? (not including cov)

[hollow sun]

The leaper

[jagged pier]

It literally doesnt matter

[blazing condor]

yes you do jakey

[jagged pier]

Oops 👀

[blazing condor]

[craggy pilot]

which shards are best for Prot M+?

Shard of Zed?

[blazing condor]

Is there any start to leveling up gems? Can you just go balls to the wall and upgrade the ones you have or better to have each at X rank?

[brittle owl]

shard of dyz nuts

lmao gottem

[sweet summit]

i dont get it

[sweet summit]

if you have blood set, upgrade the blood gems evenly first

and upgrade the offset pieces after you max the set shards

[blazing condor]

i only got one blood gem rn

But i have zero dom sockets anyway so

[jagged pier]

when u have the unholy set but no unholy shoulders

[sweet summit]

unholy is head

but i feel u

[jagged pier]

is it? well i dont have that ither so

🤷

[sweet summit]

ya

shoulders are frost

so thats w/e

[jagged pier]

1 off full blood set though and i have the chest piece

[sweet summit]

same

[jagged pier]

too bad i kill sylvannas this week

[sweet summit]

just missing world boss one

it didnt drop from sylvanas

and i thought it would

[jagged pier]

nah the world boss is only world boss i believe

[sweet summit]

scammed

sad

[jagged pier]

eyir cock

F

[sweet summit]

eyir cocks

[gilded tendon]

[tropic gorge]

i ran 4 m+ Necrotic wake last night. no group was able to finish 😦

last night seemed to be exceptionally bad for pugs

i'm farming a shield and possible sword drop 😦

[devout heron]

do you use execute

at any time?

[mellow bridge]

yes

[sweet summit]

execute is more damage per rage on 1-2 targets than revenge

[thorn remnant]

Been trying to consider how much value I’d get to switching to Night Fae from Necrolord. Group coordination for buffs seems to be hit or miss.

The downside would be that the Necrolord theme is way cooler than the Night Fae…

[empty spindle]

I’m NF atm the knockdown of ancient aftershock is so handy

[spiral minnow]

lets say my guild will not slay sylvanas mythic or really late in the patch, wouldnt it statswise be better to get reprisal on boots first? there are no haste/versa boots but u can get haste/versa legs from m+

[sweet summit]

id still do legs, higher ilvl legs is more stats than higher ilvl boots

more stats=good

[hollow sun]

how do you guys not overcap on rage, i have noticed that since my shield block got way better my rage wasted got a lot worse. Maybe i need to use IP more? It often feels a GCD problem that i can't use enough revenges to actually not overcap

[sweet summit]

press ignore pain to avoid overcapping

[turbid moth]

hi what shard of domination shall we play ? 3 red and 2 blue ?
also trinket of fatescribe > trinket of sun king ?

[thorn remnant]

That is one of the super appealing parts... but then I lose Necrolord theme, cool corpsefly, and then have to do all that renown and anima grind... so debating if it's worth. lol

[sweet summit]

fatescribe trinket is shit

<@&257983573498265600>

[fierce juniper]

$pb @wispy garden

[true pawn]

Done.

[jagged pier]

and no both thoughs trinkets are bad

[sweet summit]

thank u marok

[fierce juniper]

[ionic fern]

Lurker.

👀

[fierce juniper]

im always watching

[jagged pier]

greenman for the win

[oblique garnet]

Private Marok reporting for duty !

[empty spindle]

What did he do lmao

[sweet summit]

scam links

[empty spindle]

What a rat

The all father sees all

[queen brook]

Reprisal legendary is best on feet right?

[sweet summit]

legs

[queen brook]

Asked since there is legs with haste versa and no feet w it, still doesn't matter?

[drifting oasis]

search this channel for "reprisal"

[queen brook]

oh

[tardy sequoia]

regarding last endurance conduit slot.. is it better condensed anima sphere or brutal vitality?

[blazing condor]

Condensed

[tardy sequoia]

ty

[tranquil leaf]

in 15+ keys, should i still use AM or switch to bolster?

[sweet summit]

AM

[tranquil leaf]

kk

currently using coalesced hatred and matrix as trinkets. should i try to replace hatred with a phial?

[mellow bridge]

never play bolster if youre running reprisal

[tranquil leaf]

im using wall

[mellow bridge]

well then you probably should swap

reprisal is just flat out better for m+

[dusky elk]

I switched from reprisal to the wall for m+ and raid and life got so much better

[sweet summit]

matrix is pretty good in m+
vicera is not good, so replace vicera with phial

and yea

[median tulip]

Step 1: Make Reprisal

[dusky elk]

Way more uptime on shield wall cause I don’t have a stupid 3.5 min CD lol

[mellow bridge]

you dont have a stupid 3.5 min cd with reprisal either

since you are then able to run AM

[tranquil leaf]

i prefer the wall. my SW is on like a 1.3m cd

[mellow bridge]

🤷‍♂️

[sweet summit]

it'll be roughly the same with reprisal

trust

me

[delicate iron]

^

[tranquil leaf]

yeah, but i gotta charge around and shit

[mellow bridge]

do what you want, but the reprisal changes are the entire reason why warr is so good now

[tranquil leaf]

uhgggg

ill make it

but wall is still my baby

[mellow bridge]

and charging around and shit really isnt hard :p

like you charge into the pack anyways, right?

so that's one

then in melee you just press intervene at some point on a melee dps

that's two ez proccs per pack which makes it already really good

if your charge is up again/you play double time you can leap away and charge or stun and charge or even if theyre slowed enough just walk away and charge

it's really simple and super efficient

and by then the pack is usually dead or youre kiting since you dont have anything left

[tranquil leaf]

yuh talked me into it. ive been stock piling soul ash anyway.

just to confirm, my talents arent changing? 3/1/2/2/2/3/1

[true olive]

Dropping venthyr for either NF or kyrian but still torn. What do you guys think?

[tranquil leaf]

kyrian is so good

traps enemies, does a ton of dmg, can be thrown far, and good rage

[sweet summit]

3/1 or 3/1/1 or 2/2/3/1 @tranquil leaf

ya id go kyrian if i had to

[tranquil leaf]

is best served cold good?

[sweet summit]

very good

[tranquil leaf]

i thought booming was the go to

[true olive]

For raid

[sweet summit]

it is on ST/with the wall

[tranquil leaf]

ahhh

[sweet summit]

but it has insane synergy with reprisal

and the insane amount of rage you gain from reprisal makes the rage from BV kinda overkill

[tranquil leaf]

well alright than

https://tenor.com/view/hat-tip-gif-11048773

i like devestator, so im not switching to punish

but ill do bsc

[sweet summit]

good, because punish is worse than devastator everywhere

[cerulean tusk]

Question, is there any point using shieldblock on the Eye - when not tanking the abductor?

[sweet summit]

yea, the 66%/33% phase add

and for SS damage

but other than that, no

[cerulean tusk]

The pins says the eye adds cant be blocked?

[sweet summit]

isnt piercing lense the add?

or is that abductor

oh wait nvm

[tranquil leaf]

haste/verse still on legs, ya?

[sweet summit]

yeah

[cerulean tusk]

It is the add - it says it is not blockable - you can SR it only

[tranquil leaf]

ty

[sweet summit]

yeah my bad

misread

[cerulean tusk]

No worries, just wanted a small confirm note - if someone got counter info feel free to @round crest

Poor me, oh well.

[dusky elk]

Maybe its just cause of necrotic, by reprisal feels so bad this week

Do I need ravager for rage generation with reprisal? I've been vibin with IFP / Unstoppable force depending on the mood

[clever bronze]

I have two weapon upgrades of the same ilv, which should I use?
1: +22 Haste, +42 Mastery
2: +24 Crit, +40 Vers
I know Haste is more important, but there's almost 2x as much Vers than there is Haste, and Crit=Mastery in stat weights, so I'd assume I want the Vers weapon.

[muted arch]

did u guys solo layer 12 this week

[dusky elk]

with a group, always

[muted arch]

y

its so fast to solo

can basically skip to the end boss

[dusky elk]

I've just never tried lol

I usually 5 star pretty easy with a group

[thorn remnant]

Skipping to end boss kills your score now though, yeah?

[muted arch]

yeah until now ive been doing 1 wing a week for score so i can advance to next level following week

and skipping other wing

[median tulip]

How much Haste and Versa do you currently have?

[muted arch]

but now that theres no more progression yolo lol

[dusky elk]

5 star for 256 conduits tho....

[muted arch]

yo has anyone been hella unlucky with versa gear?

[inland raft]

Not much vers gear in the raid but who cares vers is overrated

People think too much about it

[mellow bridge]

is RDM affected by necrotic?

does anyone know

[clever bronze]

Haste = 22.48%
Vers = 9.82% / 4.91%

[median tulip]

I'd go with the Haste tbh

[clever bronze]

Works for me.

Oh, I should have noted

My original 1h already had 33 Haste on it.

So it was either I lose 33 Haste or I lose 11 Haste.

[median tulip]

Definitely use the Haste weapon then

[clever bronze]

👍

[mighty cairn]

any other guild groups been doing 10/10 splits on mythic eye adds with no swap

been getting the add to 10-15% before dying to the dot/piercing but i assume a few resets make the strat a lot easier

[sweet summit]

We tried thst but it was too heavy

Now we're swapping at 5-6 stacks iirc

[slate shell]

is HR actually better than bolster for m+ ? and if so, anyone knows like, by how much? i.e. like 5% better or 20% better etc

[sweet summit]

defensively with reprisal yes, but AM is most likely better than the two others 👍

[slate shell]

damn it, i love bolster :/

[blazing condor]

Reprisal when used correctly is basically bolster anyway

Considering you have 80%+ SB

And HR can be literally bolster in the sense that you have perma-SB

[jagged pier]

yes think about it this way bolster and HR do the same thing basically give u more block, HR is random but gives u block all the time and probably gives u more like than 15 secs (or what ever bolster is) ever 2 mins

it also gives u more rage as it increases the amount of rage SS gives

but u should still play AM imo

[slate shell]

if i go AM, do i switch from ravager to UF as well?

[sweet summit]

no

UF is terrible

ravager owns

[slate shell]

alright and one last question (for now 😛 )

booming voice > BSC

or is that personal preference

[sweet summit]

BSC>BV with reprisal

BV>BSC on ST

[slate shell]

interesting

aight thanks a lot

[tranquil leaf]

okay reprisal is made. time for me try it for the first time.

[sweet summit]

[visual drift]

where do i get a gem for the dominion socket? and what is the best way for tank?
i don't raid and i don't run mythics atm since i have no team any more

[sweet summit]

raid

there is one shard from the new world boss too

[visual drift]

Okay, need to look then. I got only a 239 trait for koryan but the str buff from heals isn't it worth sadly

Thank you

[inland raft]

The str from heal is pretty good in group content

[nova arch]

Dumb question time: when to use ignore pain? All the time? Only when in danger? It doesn’t seem to do much and I’ve gotten myself into the habit of spamming revenge instead.

[inland raft]

Smooth out damage intake/prevent rage capping

Its not that strong a button ya

[sick sentinel]

All time - yes and no, Doing your rotation you should be pressing it 90% of the time

[sweet summit]

that answer seems quite misleading

[inland raft]

90% ignore pain days

[sick sentinel]

if you are in a pull, you should be using it quiet often. Not spam but your uptime should be like 40-60%

[sweet summit]

nope

[sick sentinel]

explain

[inland raft]

Ip is weak better to dump more revenge with that rage

[sick sentinel]

?

[inland raft]

Its good for smoothing out predictable large hit and to prevent overcapping

Otherwise press revenge

[sick sentinel]

Dmg output for prot is very low and you shouldnt press revenge outside of procs

[nova arch]

Ok so if I know a big smack is coming, use ignore pain but otherwise revenge

[inland raft]

And to prevent overcap since its off the gcd

[nova arch]

Cool cool

[inland raft]

And prot is one of higher dps tanks if played well

Revenj goes brr

[sick sentinel]

Vengance dh's would say otherwise

[nova arch]

I’ve just put some logs in the review channel cus I feel my dps is really low

Especially compared to my prot paladin

[blazing condor]

honestly if you want tank logs looked at id suggest you put them in this channel most people come back saying they get no response from that channel

[sweet summit]

what

thats not even remotely true

[inland raft]

I mean he only pressing revenge on procs ofc his damage output is low

[sick sentinel]

Theres a thing called rage management, If you spam revenge off procs thats less rage for shield block uptime and ignore pain

You're playing for survibilty

[inland raft]

You play for damage while maintaining enough survival to not die

[sweet summit]

which is very easy and binary

[nova arch]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Fn3m84ZahbNAfW7x/

[blazing condor]

surviving is the bare minimum these days

[nova arch]

There’s my logs , then 🙂

[blazing condor]

everything in the game revolves around damage so the more damage you can fit in without giving up too much defensives the better

[nova arch]

I’d like to push out more dps and improve generally so if you have any tips, let me know.

Thanks!