and its not worth it
#protection
modern brook
lmao
This is my crit set: 90% haste
idk why that makes me laugh
But yeah def not worth it
2ndary stats arent why you're dying
You're dying cause your dps cant kill things
north rampart
30% crit means necrotic stacks 30% slower tho right, heck i have had necrotic drop of of bosses with a cast and a few lucky parries in a row
north rampart
I will, with fat crits
modern brook
While i love to hear it
And that is the correct attitude
I want to emphasis that its correct because crits do fat damage
and not cause of parry
Like necrotic will make you kite more, especially if you're not running kyiran
cinder nova
Damage times keys, so if your group is struggling with Necro on Tyran they probably doing doodoo damage or a key that's out of their reach without more prep.
modern brook
but if you're dying even with more kiting, more crit isnt the oslution
you just need dps to play the game
sweet summit
30% crit means necrotic stacks 30% slower tho right, heck i have had necrotic dr...
nope
modern brook
or you're messing up
north rampart
No? 35% parry?
sweet summit
imean
cinder nova
Parry has DR homie
modern brook
I mean the full value of the parry from crit isnt really the concern here tbh
like its not the solution for more macro reasons that the ratio of stat to value
cinder nova
Don, what are your DPS pulling ST w/lust
sick sentinel
What should my SB uptime be around in a +15? 60%
cinder nova
idk how meta it is, but we clobber Tyr bosses, however we also have an hpal that's an absolute meter monkey so he's usually 2nd or 1st during burst windows and it's critical.
cinder nova
What should my SB uptime be around in a +15? 60%
Uptime doesn't matter
Blocked hits matter.
distant crystal
i had two stacked graphs with SB uptime and melee dmg taken
that was pretty cool for showing wasted SBs
sick sentinel
I see a lot of the top M+ warriors running Condensed Anima Sphere over Stalwart Guardian. Worth or personal choice?
jagged pier
I qoildnt say its personal choice stalwart is far better tbh, but it might just be down to soulbind routes and conduit energy etc etc why they are running
I did have a quick look and it looks like a lot are actually running stalwart. But u should be able to get 3 endruance pretty easily nowadays
modern brook
Esp since we don't care about 2 potencies
craggy pilot
is Inscrutable good for Prot?
hollow sonnet
I am thinking about trying out prot this season. How are they in m+?
modern brook
pretty good
modern brook
only degenerates who hate their life play this class 😦
Also true
hollow sonnet
That seems harsh.
patent osprey
#worsebear club
ocean yoke
true
modern brook
Facts don't care about your feelings
hollow sonnet
So do or don't bother?
patent osprey
If you like the gameplay style you should go for it ^.^
don't worry about what the 1% does
all tank classes are playable
modern brook
So do or don't bother?
The class performs very welle but a lot of people struggle with the concepts that make it tick
patent osprey
rank 1 tank in raider io atm is a bdk
ionic fern
So do or don't bother?
Prot is in a really good place right now if played correctly.
So if you enjoy it, play it.
hollow sonnet
Well I am maining arms was just looking to possibly tank when needed in m+
A bdk really? That is crazy
modern brook
prots probably a better option than fury then
hollow sonnet
I don't see fury tanking all that well
hollow sonnet
Could have a shield
modern brook
IDT any of the tanks are really outperforming the others
if you're asking the prot discord if we like prot, youre gunna get a yes
but that doesnt mean you will
I think this can completely be summed up in
hollow sonnet
I am just making sure it is half way viable and am not telling by playing it
Trolling
modern brook
"Prot warrior has to do more homework to get the same efficacy as some of the other tanks"
ionic fern
I am just making sure it is half way viable and am not telling by playing it
Yes it is. Any tank is. 🙂
hollow sonnet
Is night fae or kyrian the play?
karmic plinth
kyrian is 'better' but none of our covenants make or break the spec
you will marginally get better mileage out of kyrian and fae but you can still tank as any covenant
hollow sonnet
I am venthyr right now. Looking to swap for something that is good in pve pvp and tanking.
Kyrian looks to be that
modern brook
p sure venthyr covers that
Kyrian is my go to recomendation
But honestly it straight doesnt matter
karmic plinth
plka was tanking +20s as venthyr in 9.0 before reprisal
so its not like venthyr will handicap you that much
modern brook
I think the only Cov that changes anything is Necrolord cause you really want to be using glory w/ it but reprisal still exists so its a tough call
modern brook
respect
the biggest isuse you're going to have is gearing
jsut cause they dont share a loot table
hollow sonnet
Crit vers haste right?
hollow sonnet
Lol
modern brook
the bigger concern is going to be getting a weapon/shield and a 2hander
3 weapon drops is stinky and you sorta need all 3
easiest solution is pvp
cause shields are like 400 conquest or whatever
hollow sonnet
I'll just off spec fury and duelwhield one Handers
modern brook
😦
hollow sonnet
Lol
modern brook
no part of that sentence sparked joy
modern brook
No arugments tbh
if you're raiding just make sure you're swapping your loot spec around for your needs
in m+ I would basically just always be in arms spec
hollow sonnet
I will
modern brook
same with your weekly vault
Theres enough shitty tank trinkets that it isnt worth it until you're gearedup imo
hollow sonnet
Prot will just be an if I need to basis
Or if I don't want to spend hours in queue
blazing condor
did they revert the pve loot or wot
I cba with this tier
Literally 0 pieces of loot
hollow sonnet
Lol you only get loot off the people who already have it
No loot for you
Never loot for you
That is my experience
cinder nova
Crit vers haste right?
Haste vers crit mast
Haste crit vers mast if you wanna be a pumper
blazing condor
Lost my shield, two dom pieces and a trinket today
modern brook
Smh my head
shake smh my head
cinder nova
RIP in pepperonis
modern brook
my personal favorite is lmao my ass off
cinder nova
Eugh
blazing condor
Lol out loud
distant crystal
The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim
strong forum
Rip in pieces loling out loud
distant crystal
The The Angels Angels of Anaheim
fringe marten
Oh anyone know, when Sco was progressing on mythic painsmith during race I saw him on his? monk? He was a little white orb...WTF is that?
strong forum
Zen meditation
distant crystal
i imagine that's pretty huge on painsmith when you're not tanking boss
craggy pilot
@modern brook wdym people dont understand what makes Prot tick?
river escarp
Is the first double pull of SD supposed to be making me use all cds? Do the weapons that spawn do magic dmg? I avoid all the traps, but the dmg is alot
river escarp
ya but canister buff ;/. Ok i figured as much
river escarp
I meant that killing the weapons gives you buff stacks
mighty valley
if you pull big there killing the weapons for buff stacks is overkill
not worth the risk
craggy pilot
had perfect timed +15 PF, and then we wipe 3 times on last boss scuffing the key :< fucking life man
mighty valley
people be getting slapped
craggy pilot
kinda surprised +15 was fairly easily tankable with 226
mighty valley
it's tyrannical week, mobs are baby
craggy pilot
i rly like Tyrannical week
modern brook
<@204081428869283843> wdym people dont understand what makes Prot tick?
It's 2021 and we still get people asking about block uptime and using ip for damage mitigation
craggy pilot
its easy to get confused about Prot tho
i used to be just spamming IP and not using Revenge
then i found this disc 😄
sweet summit
same
then SL released 
sweet summit
i LOVED it
distant crystal
take it back
mighty valley
most tanks these days have an easy gimme button for getting threat on pull, we have a short range facing-only cone. and thunderclap which tickles
sweet summit
3x DC bad 
distant crystal
amber herald
ravager is our threat on pull ability
distant crystal
ravager was a meme in BFA :*(
craggy pilot
Ravager playstyle is so much more fun
sweet summit
distant crystal
someone was always in here trying to theorycraft ravager
craggy pilot
and im starting to like Ancient Aftershock
distant crystal
and getting laugh at
sweet summit
that was me
craggy pilot
Ravager is probably good because of Kite playstyle 😄
mighty valley
ravager helps a lot but it doesn't quite compare to paladins shitting out shields in every direction or bears jumping from pack to pack pressing thrash over and over again
craggy pilot
well Paladins ninja pulling with shield is another downside of that 😄
fringe marten
Oh I thought that was some kind of toy/illusion etc... so he was just shrunk down using noggenfogger or something.
mellow bridge
bear without incarn def has a harder time to hold aggro than we do
craggy pilot
but ye Druid Thrash seem hella OP
sweet summit
ravager+DR
distant crystal
also paladins falling over from a stiff breeze
mellow bridge
it's not particularly hard on warrior imo
amber herald
that's true for pala but bear has terrible threat outside of incarn
craggy pilot
how is Prot Pala doing so high ST dps tho? saw Naowhpal doing shit ton of DPS in M+ race
fringe marten
In stronger groups reprisal helps..because of the synergy with BSC talent; you get to open on a pack with a decent frontal hit combined with your dog tier Tclap~
craggy pilot
is it all down to the Venthyr spell?
sweet summit
ye
fringe marten
Nielson yes and no
sweet summit
ashen is nuts burst
mighty valley
ashen is wild, they're ahead of the pack no matter what cov they are though
craggy pilot
but they have less survivability?
fringe marten
Plus paladin shield bouncing is good damage/etc..so they just have the ability to burst out like a madman; which is what M+ is about.
craggy pilot
but i was talking ST dmg
sweet summit
they're still very tanky
amber herald
when I played it venthyr prot is hard to get enough holy power for your mitigation
modern brook
that was me
👴 📣 ☁️
craggy pilot
the Sylv kill
sweet summit
mellow bridge
@craggy pilotit's because he committed to a full dmg build
mighty valley
paladin facetank durability is the lowest probably, but they have a ton of tools
mellow bridge
ashen + wings + mad paragon legendary + iqd + getting PI
fringe marten
Yes/No..they can't plant and facetank as long, and they're prone to mistakes just like prot warrior is, but if they play right they're fine. They have the added benefit of big "oh shit" buttons to save thier life too.
mellow bridge
not sure if he played seraphim on sylv
but he def did on earlier bosses
which adds even more dmg
fringe marten
quantum device trinket
craggy pilot
oh
modern brook
Only thing wrong with prot paladin is you gotta play paladin to play it
craggy pilot
😄
mellow bridge
well they wouldnt PI the fkin tank in a World first race 😄
they literally did
because PI isnt about who deals the highest overall damage, it's who gets the most additional dmg from it
fringe marten
Paladin is very much like warrior, lots of abilities and cooldowns and little synergies and tricks you have to rely on to tank...instead of "meta go brr..jump away" or "thrash..? more thrash? ya..more thrash iron fur go brr"
mellow bridge
which in their comp was the prot paladin
mellow bridge
yes exactly
fringe marten
and yeah..mad paragon leggo is stronk af.
fringe marten
Basically they get to run the equivalent of our Seismic...as their 'tank' leggo.
mellow bridge
Well most normal people dont really
craggy pilot
if we get 2 leggo, which is better then Seismic or NAtures Fury? 😄
craggy pilot
that would be nutty as fk tho
fringe marten
for keys it would be the new leggo wouldn't it?
fringe marten
Bluemangroup Handsome Squidward people all day ERRYDAY
craggy pilot
at least i dont hurt my eyes just by logging in the game 😄
mellow bridge
reprisal + the wall + am for insane block and sw uptime would be pog af for really high keys
fringe marten
On the divine BEAUTY that is BASTION?
Of course you can't handle it~
For keys if we had double leggo it'd be reprisal and either covenant or seismic. for raid it'd probably be reprisal and covenant..mayyyybe the wall? depends.
dude..the wall+reprisal in raid? OH the rage gen and running AM and wall for cd on shieldwall? nasty son~
craggy pilot
rly wanted to like BDK tanking tho
but man it seems wonky as fk having to stack up before you get tanky
fringe marten
Blood DK tanking doesn't LOOK appealing to me other than the fact that you tanking with a 2h...which is ACTUALLY what warrior tanking should be.
That being said; they are still good tanks when played right..but it just doesn't look like it appeals to me in any way.
craggy pilot
you dont want shields?
aparnetly they changed a legendary so they can instant get 5 stacks of Bone Shield with Dancing Rune Weapon
fringe marten
I started mmo's in Everquest..where warriors tanked by dual wielding or using a 2h...they didn't have 1h/shield tanking for warriors in EQ until like ? 10 years after the game came out. (literally almost that long..was like 7 expansions or 8 expansion later)
craggy pilot
but makes sense that a tank would have a shield...
fringe marten
makes sense that crusaders have a shield
craggy pilot
the benefit of doing BDK is also you can be Necro
fringe marten
Paladins..and Death Knights/Dark Knights..etc..are crusaders.
craggy pilot
death knights have bone shield tho 😉
modern brook
Yall just making shit up
fringe marten
a WARRIOR...is a furious force we rush, charge, smash..leap..cleave ETC even if we're tanking.
modern brook
Warriors have shields because shields are cool
Other classes don't because they're for fat dorks
turbid cargo
needs more Gladiator Stance
craggy pilot
but ye multi classing is shit as Warr 😄
getting both 1h + shield + 2h is horrendous
on top of 4 trinkets
fringe marten
So where EQ was seated more firmly in original fantasy tropes like...crusaders have shields, warriors go 'RAHHHH!" in WoW they added a 'shield' for prot spec to differentiate it from arms/fury.
My heart is still in the "RAHHH!" and will never leave; even if I don't want to play a DPS warrior.
Which is the reason kiting in M+ makes me die a little inside.
craggy pilot
the kiting thing is ridiculous
they should make more mobs that are immune to CC or some shit
or make them like the 3rd boss of PF
fringe marten
That would hard cap how high people can push, and would force some crazy comps for different ways of pushing higher.
craggy pilot
crazy comps meaning diversity? oh noes
modern brook
Probably the oppositr
craggy pilot
or maybe it owuld just make Druid more OP 😄
modern brook
Also kiting hasn't really been meta sincelike february
fringe marten
No they run out of tricks too; at some point you push higher and higher...you have to kite; simple as that.
fringe marten
Bullfango; it's about how high you push.
distant crystal
kiting will always be a thing
fringe marten
I could face tank 18's last week for a good while..usually until the pack died. But I wasn't doing the 20's like some guildmates were
distant crystal
fervent strikes be damned
fringe marten
At some point, just to push the key fast enough you have to do a larger pull, blow your cd's..and kite the remainder of the pack. Just for killcount vs dps efficiency. You just can't pull 'managable' packs (IE facetank from 100 to 0) all the time when you pushing tougher keys. The mobs haev too much hp and you are forcing dps to become very inefficient and slow.
Hence the value of big pull/kite when defensives are out.
But yeah..doing 15's, 16's, 17's last week..sure..pull, smash, move on.
And this week tanking feels like..tanking again. I SO much prefer tanking tyrannical, but pushing the keys gets actually tougher.
craggy pilot
only issue is fucking necrotic making me kite every 10sec
jagged pier
i mean it shouldnt
fringe marten
We're one of the better tanks for necrotic because we rely mostly on mitigation rather than healing
Plus you should have kyrian phial (MAN I'm missing being a dark iron dwarf about now~~)
craggy pilot
ye but still when it gets to 100% reduced healing, and the pack is still not dead 😄
fringe marten
All that being said..first boss+bull pull in ToP is some dookey this week.
modern brook
?
fringe marten
Nielsen then you are simply running with WAY too low dps.
craggy pilot
or doing too big pull? 🤔
modern brook
Nielsen then you are simply running with WAY too low dps.
This is honestly the problem with most people rn
fringe marten
No matter who you are in M+ if you're doing any kind of key that isn't cakewalk; and you have to tank trash packs for 2 minutes..GG
Nielsen no, big pulls are necessary...if your dps are GOOD, and you have some decent classes for it I think you would be shocked to see how big you could pull in a HIGH key and still see the pack melt in 20 to 30 seconds.
Old school Firemage+ Monk+ shaman/boomie whatever? HOLY CHRIST if they're solid players.
modern brook
Hence the value of big pull/kite when defensives are out.
I'm not knocking the necessity of kiting in keys that need it. But the number of people who still think they gotta go to Kansas in a 12 is non 0 and thats problematic
I will still argue that if the pulls still alive and a prot warrior ran out of defensive and the pulls still threatening enough to require kiting, your dps are probably under performing
fringe marten
If you ever get some real pumper dps and pull in accordance with their cd's you'll be stunned how fast a pack is burned down to like 2 to 3 elites at 10 or 15% hp in like 15 seconds.
like a 3 or 4 pack pull.
modern brook
I haven't done leas than a triple pull in a while outside of like mists
fringe marten
Because packs in M+ aren't ALL high HP elite mobs. The only place that's even a thing is I think mists, the 4 packs of gorms.
modern brook
Maybe sanguine but I haven done a SD in about 4 months
fringe marten
and the? 1 pack of 4 angry casters in front of the mushrooms in mists maybe?
modern brook
The maze just forces you to go slow
Well slow in comparison to what you could do without walls
fringe marten
..when you just went horde, and went to orgrimmar to the auction house and see a dance party going on for the first time? WTF IS THIS? lol..I guess there's another one?
high folio
so im struggling to figure out how to weave execute in as prot
craggy pilot
only use it on ST in replacement of Revenge
craggy pilot
still use Revenge if you get procs tho
high folio
well yeah obvi
craggy pilot
Execute is not rly a good Prot ability
high folio
its a 40 rage cast so i was wondering what the best way to do it was without completely rage starving
yeah its really not
i still like to pump tho
craggy pilot
if you have SB up, and rage to spare, spend it on Execute on bosses
high folio
thats about what i figured
craggy pilot
but if more than 1 target, Revenge is almost always better
modern brook
only use it on ST in replacement of Revenge
p sure its a damage gain up to 3
@sweet summit
prove me right or we're not friends anymore
high folio
D:
craggy pilot
even with Best Served Cold?
modern brook
probably
high folio
i run booming voice
modern brook
most likely not w/ BSC + proc
high folio
more comfortable for the time being
modern brook
since its free
sweet summit
3 is where revenge is better than execute/condemn
modern brook
more comfortable for the time being
if ur running reprisal just swap now
you'll get over it in 2 dungeons and the damage gain is fatty
high folio
whys that?
craggy pilot
Reprisal + Best Served Cold is amazing
modern brook
Reprisal give sRevenge! proc
high folio
the on demand rage is so nice tho D:
sweet summit
With better meaning more damage per rage
high folio
like i know its very strong
craggy pilot
not having Booming Voice makes Demo Shout and TC much less worth to press tho
high folio
but that on demand rage gen is really useful
craggy pilot
and with Booming Voice u need Unstoppable Force
sweet summit
Wrong
craggy pilot
where Into the Fray is probably better choice as well
you alrdy have on demand rage from Avatar, Intervene, Charge?
high folio
youre thinking of avatar
sweet summit
Booming Voice has no interaction with thunder clap
And unstoppable force does not exist
craggy pilot
ah, thought those 2 were the TC build 😄
high folio
well yeah that i know
feels weird tossing some defensive throughput for more damage tho
demo shout just becomes another defensive cd id assume?
only press when needed?
sweet summit
Just on cooldown as long as youre taking damage really
high folio
gotcha
sweet summit
Relatively short cd so back up before you know it
high folio
makes sense
sweet summit
AKA same as with BV 
craggy pilot
if u have Reprisal, you shouldnt not run Best Served Cold
its just so good together
high folio
i felt it more on ST bc rav and AA dont gen a ton on ST
craggy pilot
changes ur playstyle completely
high folio
imo i shouldnt not do anything but i understand why its really strong
i may swap to it on fort weeks where id get more value id think
how do those two stack up on ST btw?
sweet summit
BV is better for ST, with ItF. Thats generally the raid talents
high folio
gotcha
sweet summit
But i guess me being venthyr helps ravager in some way or another
sweet summit
Havent simed myself as prot in a while tho
mighty valley
we get a lot of free haste from nadjia I guess?
i haven't seen ravager simming higher in ST yet though for me
sweet summit
Only every 80(?) seconds
high folio
But i guess me being venthyr helps ravager in some way or another
oh yeah probably, gens more rage then haste would
lowkey venthy prot was fun as fuck when i ran it
high folio
burst rage is probably more conducive to condemn spam windows then
sweet summit
Ye
high folio
if i didnt hate venthyr arms so much id prob still run it on prot
mighty valley
last stand, ravager, 
high folio
lmao
fax
bursting for 20k ST as a tank felt p good
i kinda wish theyd make execute a generator and give it a cd
similar to fury, but only make it gen like 5-10 rage or something small
cinder nova
If they did that they'd nerf its damage
Pretty sure Fury has the lowest execute damage per GCD of the 3 specs
Prot executes right now are peaking at 17 to 19K for me
Arms is a little over 20K, fury (combinging OH/MH) is ~16K
high folio
yeah theyd def have to nerf it or something
just be nice to use it more, and itd make venthyr a bit more passable
cinder nova
Could just be anecdotal bullshit tho, SF might have a better take
Do you not just SMASH Exe on 20%?
high folio
noooo
cinder nova
I legit roll CDs just so I can keep spending rage on Execute kek
Like, LS is a DPS cooldown there, homie
high folio
a prot warrior wo SB is a dead prot warrior
cinder nova
EXTRA RAGE EXTRA HEALTH KEEP ME UP EXECUTEEEEE
high folio
well youre venthyr so you can kinda get away with that
cinder nova
Yeah, my healers are pretty spicy and they're good about keeping me up
high folio
that absorb stacks up quite a bit
cinder nova
Sometimes I pass off aggro to my VDH so I can keep executing
Depends on the fight
Like Soulrender I legit just intervene and take 4 ruinblades in a row
So I can keep spending rage on Revenge
sweet summit
cinder nova
I run NF
high folio
no not you , erga is venth
sweet summit
📈 
modern brook
cant wait for prot to get massacre
modern brook
ew cds
🤔 prot deserves arms damage and cd w/ fury rage cost
make prot galdiator again
sweet summit
Bsttle Cry when
modern brook
ppl always jerkin over 👢 🍵 👏 rotation
no love given to 
🛡️ 🛡️ 🛡️
0 cd 100% crit sheild slam is the mbest feeling ive ever had playing wow
lavish oracle
Ressing shout please
sweet summit
Scream so loud the come back to life?
lavish oracle
You ever played Payday 2?
sweet summit
Negative, Sir
lavish oracle
I just wanna yell "get the fuck up" at someone until they come back to life
sweet summit
high folio
I just wanna yell "get the fuck up" at someone until they come back to life
'GET OFF THE DAMN FLOOR PRIVATE'
MOVE YOUR ASS MAGGOT
frail torrent
Fucking reminds me of the captain from Lotro. Yell at people to heal them.
fierce relic
Anyone aim for a certain percentage of vers? Feeling squishy in M+
lavish oracle
If you're feeling squishy in M+ it's probably not because of your vers
sturdy sable
Anyone aim for a certain percentage of vers? Feeling squishy in M+
No amount of vers is going to cover gameplay issues
fierce relic
I mean I agree; it was just an inquiry 🙂
mighty valley
there aren't really important breakpoints for us with stats, it's all feelycraft
just hope for the stats you like on the highest ilvl gear
sick sentinel
i gave up last week, but i was following what nomerature said, stack haste
more haste, you can have more shield block up time, which automatically reduces the attack to small amount, literal laughable if critical block
lunar jackal
Hey guys I know our bis set is blood (At least it was last time I checked) Can anyone explain why tho? Trying to understand why dps want unholy and we want blood.
sweet summit
Blood is flat damage, unholy increases you existing damage since it gives main stat
sick sentinel
i remember when frost was the tank spec
and corpse explosion, i 100% remember that being in the game
dusky canopy
So playing pelagos we get 3X endurance 2X potency right, so percing verdict is a must, has there been any testing for the other options? it seems like the new adaptive armor would be pretty good? so that vs say.. show of force? thoughts input?
woeful stirrup
What anima power do you guys take?
mellow bridge
Socket for sure
pallid seal
Does anyone have a healer out of range Weak Aura? the ones i kept finding don't work, thank you in advance
muted arch
yo how do u guys deal with mythic deathlink
does it require anything extra or is SB enough
cinder roost
Can't block, use IP (+ demo shout if possible)
Can ask for external if you don't need them elsewhere
cinder roost
Demo shout (BV) into IP war enough for me
muted arch
and we should have demo shout for all of them ya
cinder roost
I mean it's hard to die from it, but your raid take more dmg depending on you
muted arch
thats what im asking for ya raid dmg
cinder roost
But there's also not much to heal during that phase
We do non-destacking tank so I used externals during split
If you don't you can probably ask for some
Or use the wall et SW
Tbh it shouldn't be the biggest raid killer
Poll for raiders: Do you actually watch your aggro when you're OffTanking ?
mellow bridge
No
left girder
well today i overaggroed Guardian by autoattacking while our DK was starting
mellow bridge
If I get aggro when I shouldn't just because of a dps diff, it's a him problem
left girder
so i guess i tried?
mellow bridge
Kinda weird to let the dk start
left girder
ye i told em to fuck that and i started rest of the pulls
urban portal
Did you even need healing on that fight
cold crater
hi, when using reprisal, what should my uptime on shield block be ?
mighty valley
what content?
mighty valley
uptime doesn't mean much, you want to look at % of melee hits blocked
across a dungeon 80+ is pretty good
cold crater
80 uptime or percent of melee hits blocked
mighty valley
% blocked
cold crater
does details show % blocked ?
mighty valley
don't think so, have to log
pine cypress
Poll for raiders: Do you actually watch your aggro when you're OffTanking ?
After the initial pull if I am not tanking first I do, Condemn does bucketloads of threat lol
mighty valley
yeah i typically pull first, i don't want to have to hold back during condemn phases
hollow sun
@urban portal i actually died a few times with my il 170 paladin xD
they kept pulling everything
urban portal
I mean for much zala
hollow sun
didn't died there but everyone else did
urban portal
You just did all 4 visages yourself?
modest jackal
cold crater
hi again, if i have a log at warcraft logs, how can i see my % of attacks blocked ??
mighty valley
Go to Damage Taken, find the Melee line, and mouse over Hits
mighty valley
are you using reprisal?
cold crater
technically yeah, but i dont feel like i get many chances to charge
i have it but i barely charge or intercept
I even have a timed 14 mists, 45% blocked :^(
guess i have 2 work on it
mighty valley
There are more opportunities than you think... intervene has no min range, so while you're active tank, you can intervene your cotank easily
cold crater
There are more opportunities than you think... intervene has no min range, so wh...
Makes sense, any tips for dungeons ?
drifting mango
if you could dual wield at the beginning of gruul as main tank with dev revenge heroic spam is that better then shield slam threat rotation with shield? Say to growth 2 or 3
mighty valley
I have a mouseover macro for intervene and usually just use it on a melee
You can usually find opportunities to step away from casters and charge them too
cinder hollow
Do u Think Cold served is better in mplus with replisal?
Or stay in booming voice ?
fair rune
what legendary and talents would i run as kyrian if i wanted to maximise dps in keys?
fluid wraith
Do u Think Cold served is better in mplus with replisal?
Or stay in booming voi...
def BSC w/ reprisal
fluid wraith
what legendary and talents would i run as kyrian if i wanted to maximise dps in ...
reprisal is the best mix of damage and survivability. if ur looking exclusively at dmg then seismic reverberation.
standard talent build should be the best for dps in m+. 3111231.
fair rune
aight. was under the impression that bolster was the go-to in m+
modern brook
it was when we had the wall as our best option
reprsial fixes almost all of our sb uptime issues
fluid wraith
^ yeah what he said
lean sorrel
What is the appropriate defensive play for tanking Eye of the Jailor on mythic? Im taking some pretty extreme damage considering Shield Block doesnt do anything and I cant have spell reflect up all the time.
cinder roost
@lean sorrel Which phase?
Wait I thought only Link was not blockable, turns out Piercing Lens too, they really f'ed us on this fight 😮
The placebo effect was real on this one 😄
ionic fern
They were before but it got changed.
pine cypress
Wasnt there another boss in Sanctum that couldnt be blocked ? Am I misremembering?
orchid frigate
if i'm a heroic raider i guess i'm still more interested in m+ gear than domination socketed gear when doing keys?
ionic fern
if i'm a heroic raider i guess i'm still more interested in m+ gear than dominat...
Some of the domination sockets are pretty solid even by their own.
tame jasper
i still wait for the absorb gem, the Worldboss blood and items to socket xD
fringe marten
finally recrafted my 'off' pieces, 235 wall cloak/seismic boots. they're cheap to make now...bout to go BLASHT some 15's for fun, and maybe a scale..
(was using trying scale/sanguine vintage on mythic eye..they are worth it there)
ionic fern
Man maybe i should upgrade my Reprisal then also.
ionic fern
210 squad here.
fringe marten
./leaves chat
fringe marten
25 ilevels on legs isn't a small upgrade; and 235's are purty cheap now.
ionic fern
Never stopped me from doing what i'm doing.
But jeah, now that they are cheaper i will probably force my way to atleast 235.
fringe marten
I don't want to say I love torghast now; but..now that they've made grouping worthwhile and faster/better in a lot of cases; I enjoy group torghast clears, and 5 floors is easy and hitting the 'checkmarks' for the things for extra points is cool.
Doing torghast with guildies instead of doing it alone is actually fun.
and the final floor this week was kinda' spicy.
Just rando every 10 mins...the pally healer "WHAT? I'm dead..WTF?" or the boomkin
Also you become everyones best friend with 3 ranks of resonating throat bands... yo that power is SO BUSTED in a group.
fringe marten
Have you done it in a guild/friends group in comms?
fringe marten
...I think you're just salty you can't get that Lifetakers blade like on tarragrue..and yolo dps.
ionic fern
It's mostly a "me" thing obviously.
I hate being forced to do content that i don't want to do for stuff that i need - this just makes me hate the content even more.
lean sorrel
@cinder roost Sorry, didnt see the ping, When hes on the ground, dont have much issue with add damage being oppressive because we're ripping CDs at that point
jagged pier
I'm happy atleast someone is enjoying Torghast.
TORGY WITH THE BOIS is next lvl content
smoky wave
Massively recommend running with an ele shaman. Near permanent bloodlust is just silly fun.
jagged pier
u just run it with the boi on coms and they do all the work
ionic fern
It would still require me to go into Torghast which is more than i can handle.
jagged pier
ionic fern
I'm the type of player who just wants to do things in game that i enjoy without being forced to do things that i don't. 😦
jagged pier
😦
we havent had that for years
like wod was the last time u could just do what u wanted
like even in legion we had ppl that didnt like m+ but u had to run them
ionic fern
Yeah, that's why i've been ignoring all these big "expansion selling points" like Islands and Torghast etc.
Just doing the bare minimum.
😂
jagged pier
on the topic of islands anyone know if they are solo farmable yet
i need the pirate hats for tmog reasons
jagged pier
yes i know thats my face as well
ionic fern
Soon THIS will be your face tho.!
orchid frigate
hmm been playing on my druid a bit and i have to say it feels a bit ridonculous
im sure it will be tuned down?
orchid frigate
weird that it wasnt meta earlier
ionic fern
Druid has been broken for a while now jeah. 😂
mighty valley
when was the best time for being able to just play how you wanted and get equal rewards?
like vanilla was... raid or nothing. or maybe get a squad to boost you to max pvp rank
ionic fern
Probably when playing the game how you wanted provided the best rewards. 😂
mighty valley
i've just been thinking about this a lot recently since people have a lot of reasonable complaints about wow
but then they're like "ffxiv will solve all these problems"
and
lol
ionic fern
Isn't FFXIV just ..play when ever you want without being punished for not playing for like a week or two?
limpid anchor
That’s possible? :o
orchid frigate
no fomo
orchid frigate
indeed
ionic fern
Probably need someone who actually plays the game to step in tho. 😂
mighty valley
depends what you want to do
like, you're still missing out on currencies for not doing content daily/weekly
ionic fern
What do you get for those currencies?
mighty valley
gear upgrades
the best i can say is that since the endgame is shallower, you might feel less pressure to keep up
limpid anchor
But honestly, do you miss out on a lot in wow? If you got your 262 leg and some rep, it doesn’t matter anyway. Max 1 +14 m+ for weekly I guess.
jagged pier
+15
ionic fern
Raiding for that damn dom gear.
And gems.
It's slightly better now that PvP gear is not overly OP.
mighty valley
8 player raid encounters are literally the only hard content in ffxiv
ionic fern
I thought their raids are way harder and last longer?
ionic fern
You are honestly saying literally everything the opposite of what i've heard from everyone else.
😂
mighty valley
yeah everyone is pretending ffxiv is a magical land that solves all their problems
when it's just another flavor of mmo with its own problems
mighty valley
have fun playing the solo story for 150 hours
limpid anchor
The grass on the other side and stuff
mighty valley
it gets good after about 100 hours
ionic fern
have fun playing the solo story for 150 hours
Will do.
mighty valley
i promise
limpid anchor
Idk I would play it if I didn’t have todo quests and if it would look better :/
mighty valley
only play ffxiv if you like the aesthetic and think you'll get into the story imo
ionic fern
Considering how bad WoW's writing has been as of late i could probably get into that story.
Big sad.
mighty valley
i'm mostly surprised everyone's mad at the story because like
blizzard has done the same shit since starcraft
we all just grew up and got bored
jagged pier
there hasnt been warcraft lore since wrath change my mind
mighty valley
everyone was mad at wrath at the time lol
limpid anchor
I can’t remember the story being that stupid
mighty valley
forum kids have been mad at wow story the entire time the game has existed
elfin surge
legion was great storywise and looking at bfa and shadowlands the stories are there but its the waiting on patches leaving gaps and disconnect point mentioned by tailesin
ionic fern
forum kids have been mad at wow story the entire time the game has existed
SOMEONE has always been mad at WoW story..can't please everyone.
But it has become increasingly more collective.
elfin surge
9.0 was the longest patch wait in the history of wow
mighty valley
Pandemics make games harder to make fast it turns out
Also make everyone madder online
sick sentinel
Does pandemic make you have terrible design philosophies
limpid anchor
If you have corona, probably
mighty valley
Love to hear your design philosophies
sick sentinel
True I can't design anything better
limpid anchor
“Don’t do everything in your might to make an unpleasant experience “
brave jetty
On Guardian - do you taunt during the obliterate cast of the other tank or immediately after?
I taunted immediately after just now and the other tank still took the second obliterate even though I had the boss aggro
jagged pier
u taunt during
brave jetty
Ah, that'd do it
timber jasper
That boss hits like a truck lol
tardy sequoia
Guys regarding Domination sockets... I usually wear a 252 chest, but yesterday night I looted a 239 chest with dom sockets and I put a blood shard in it. Should I still wear the 252 gear or swap to the 239 cause it has got domination power?
jagged pier
239
jagged pier
even in m+ shards are too strong
austere cave
in raid when you are actively tanking are you spending all rage for ip? Seems if i actually try to maximise dps in raids my healers have stuggles keeping me up even with 100% block uptime
ionic fern
in raid when you are actively tanking are you spending all rage for ip? Seems if...
No.
brave jetty
Yeah not at all
ionic fern
Any specific scenario?
austere cave
guardian of the first one for example I'll midgate obliterate with spellreflect + ip but everything after is physical he melees me for around 24k with block up. And I dont receive any direct healing for around 8 seconds
so i just trickle down slowly with my 70k hp pool
solemn aspen
24k is what i get if i dont have sb up
timber jasper
shards & sets are just too strong
sylvi normal yesterday, blood bonus 7,7% dmg and about 14% heal. not that bad 😄
austere cave
I can check logs again but I'm pretty sure I had block up
timber jasper
guardian of the first one for example I'll midgate obliterate with spellreflect ...
just save demo shout for the hit after obliterate. easy
solemn aspen
but I had to talent HR and you use his laser beam to charge again etc... to be sure to always have SB up because yeah, he hits for 25k without it
timber jasper
What tier of the blood set?
rank 3
fringe marten
nice..so the? 15? cost
solemn aspen
but im bad so i dont know 😄
austere cave
@timber jasper ye its more the time tanking after the big hits. I pretty much just got meleed down over 10 seconds
fringe marten
yeah I have the full blood and full shadow set, and 1 frost shard (the good ? damage one..but NOT the shield one) and I have ONE DOM socket item! WOOOooo /cry
austere cave
are protwarriors actually supposed to get directly healed without a pally healer in raid?
fringe marten
No..it's too pricey to make full sets at 4 or 5 atm..costs 30 each.
If you don't have a pally; you'll have to be
timber jasper
nice..so the? 15? cost
yes the 15 cost
fringe marten
Yeah all mine are at the 15 rank, minus..? I think the one I got yesterday
solemn aspen
Also i asked my co tank (monk) to take it back when he can after the obliteraite/sunder stuff
ionic fern
are protwarriors actually supposed to get directly healed without a pally healer...
Do you have any logs maybe?
fringe marten
but I have ONLY gloves. so..yeah..
blazing condor
Is 262 our highest rank leggo now?
fringe marten
So you have to get 6 items from the raid, a place that randomly assigns loot to your group of people, 15% of people present get items or is it? 20? and 90% of it you couldn't use if they could trade it to you anyway... soooo? yeah. i HATE the loot system in shadowlands.
blazing condor
I have Not been paying attention at all
strong forum
guardian of the first one for example I'll midgate obliterate with spellreflect ...
Well that's just shit healers if they don't heal you after the tank combo lol
timber jasper
Is 262 our highest rank leggo now?
yes
fringe marten
Putting in enough time to do 10 or more 15+ keys..do all the dailys every day, do torghast 5 star clears/etc etc all the crap to be 'ahead of the curve' so to speak right? It's NOT a small amount of time...and ALL of that is to walk into a place and spend HOURS in there progressing through fights. This is a job just about as far as time consumed is concerned. So..if I'm going to 'work' or even go to 'enjoy' the hobby I spend TONS of time with..I DO NOT DO IT to get NO reward.
I don't go to work to see the REST of the people at work get paid, and at the end of weeks of work...get a tiny payout compared to them? and now with the 'reward' they've gotten..they're better at the job..and I'm not.
Because 'random rewards make raiding fulfilling' ? is that the goal here blizzard?
3 weeks. 3 full normal clears, 3 9/10 heroic, 2 mythic tarragrue kills. that's 59 bosses...59.. I got 2 normal trinkets, 1 heroic dom socket glove. and a ring I put up for loot council.
How the FK is that loot system ok?
timber jasper
welcome to rng world 😄
torpid cliff
You could just pvp, that loot system was pretty awesome!
Jk they nerfed the ilvl outside of pvp
fringe marten
Yeah but ..you just can't have people put in that much effort for no reward. I don't care if RNG might bless me at a later time, I don't care if the curve evens out if you flip the coin ONE THOUSAND times.. you're only gonna' do this for so long until you're burnt out, or you're in 'full mythic prog extending lockouts'
timber jasper
its week 4 now of the patch. would be boring to be fully equipped already and face roll through boss mechanics
tardy sequoia
even in m+ shards are too strong
but should i wear the 239 also in M+? even if I only have one and set bonus not working?
fringe marten
I've watched my cotank pick up: mythic tarragrue shield, mythic tarragrue boots, 3 heroic dom socket items (KT helm, a chest, a glove, a bracer too? I think)...same ring, a trinket, and something else?
brave jetty
Shards are still really amazing even if the set bonus isn't active
limpid anchor
(But personal loot is waaay better for casuals, kek)
brave jetty
Shard of Kyr heals me for about as much as Indomitable does, it's kind of ludicrous
fringe marten
Malaachi if you have the right gem, yeah that 239 is still beast. depending on the gem it's like up to 3% more damage the moment you engage a pack of mobs for 20 seconds, or 1.5% more damage on..everything..forever.. or? a very nice absorb shield that auto regens..etc etc.
Yeah a leveled up domination gem, makes a 239 piece shit all over a 252
tardy sequoia
Then I think i made a mistake.. I had a 223 chest but I chose from the GV a 252 upgrade, while other option was a 246 bracers up from a 239 upgrade... should I've chosen the bracers even if it was a smaller ILVL upgrade?
limpid anchor
Always take Dom sockets
fringe marten
they were bracers from KT with dom socket?
tardy sequoia
they were bracers from KT with dom socket?
No no just normal m+ reward
tardy sequoia
Wait where was the 'mistake' ?
I had the option of taking a 252 chest or a 246 bracer (both M+ rewards), i chose the chest cause it was a bigger upgrade from the bracer i previously own, but yesterday evening i looted a 239 chest with dom sockets, so now i'm thinking that I should've taken the bracers cause the new 252 item is useless now.
This, I think, is my mistake. Am i correct tho?
limpid anchor
Doesn’t matter much bcs you want bracers from it anyway. As you got the chest after your 252 it’s not a mistake
It’s just ring
ionic fern
I mean..there's no way to know what you're going to loot ? 😂
fringe marten
OH yeah..no you didn't make a mistake
limpid anchor
If you would have picked the bracers and you got the kt one it wouldn’t have been a mistake either
fringe marten
you made the right call, then got a lucky but unlucky drop
that 239 chest..put a good gem in, upgrade the gem to tier 3 (I wouldn't push 4's until we have more of the stygian embers)
tardy sequoia
No I don't know what I'm going to loot but I know that one shouldn't choose rewards from M+ that coincide with raid loot that has dom socket
fringe marten
The gem bonus works on the LOWEST level gem you have in the set.
If you're raiding consistently, clearing heroic stuff consitently..
tardy sequoia
that loot basically becomes dead loot because even if it has higher Ilvl dom socket is still better ok?
fringe marten
Yes, don't choose dom socket slots.
and don't choose leggo slots.
well? you can but..choose them last if you can
tardy sequoia
Yes, don't choose dom socket slots.
that's my mistake, I chose an item that I knew i eventually was going to loot in raid that has got dom socket.
unique shale
ilvl > socket
fringe marten
IE don't prioritize legging armor, or maybe cloak, or even boots...I'm doing 15/16's with my 235 seismic boots now...even though I have 262 reprisal legs.
tardy sequoia
now I know that I don't have to take gear which coincides with dom sockets gear
ionic fern
ilvl > socket
Domination sockets. 🙂
limpid anchor
ilvl > socket
Not with Dom sockets
unique shale
even 10 ilvl ?!
tardy sequoia
I mean from Icyveins i knew I shouldn't have XD but the 252 was really appealing
timber jasper
even 10 ilvl ?!
even 20 ilvl, i got 252 shoulders from vault and now changed to 226 with dom socket
limpid anchor
Even 20 I’ll
fringe marten
Yeah, the reality is..10 ilevels on anything but a shield is a fractional 'defensive' upgrade..of course it matters but a lot of people really over exaggerate how powerful 'more ilevel' really makes you; when it's a few ilevels on ONE item.
brave jetty
Purging always kills all sentries on all difficulties, right?
fringe marten
the leveled up dom gems, just ONE gem..gives WAY more damage, or WAY more defense than those ilevels ever EVER will.
tardy sequoia
next question is: should I wear dom socket gear on M+ even without set bonuses?
fringe marten
you only lose the set BONUS
ionic fern
++
fringe marten
not the gem passive
mighty valley
I mean, do actually look at the gems you have lol
timber jasper
Yeah, the reality is..10 ilevels on anything but a shield is a fractional 'defen...
there is no socket on a shield so that question dont even exist
mighty valley
Don’t drop 15 ilvls for 30 speed
fringe marten
at rank 1 the gems look kinda underwhelming..rank them up, then realize how powerful they really are.
ionic fern
Don’t drop 15 ilvls for 30 speed
Wdym , OUTRUN THE ENEMIES.
fringe marten
Obviously...yeah maybe the 40 leech gem isn't worth 10 ilevels on your chest plate....but the Kyr gem? it is
mighty valley
Mwahi on another level as always
timber jasper
Don’t drop 15 ilvls for 30 speed
who even sockets 30 speed lul
ionic fern
😂
fringe marten
10 ilevels on gloves? meh? Cor gem? YUP..WAY more damage
mighty valley
The good dom shards are very good, just don’t want people to make blanket decisions when they might not even have the good shards yet or might take a long time to level them up lol
fringe marten
if you've ever been in a guild with stronger competitive pve players who care about their DPS throughput a LOT...1% damage matters a LOT to them. The cor gem alone at rank 3 is 2.25% more total damage output..to 'new' enemies for 20 seconds. That's like..the WHOLE mythic+ pull..every pull.
ionic fern
The good dom shards are very good, just don’t want people to make blanket decisi...
Of course.
I should log on my super secret alt account when i want to be ironic. 😦
fringe marten
Yeah but if you're getting heroic dom gear, it's 239..a 252 is only 12 ilevels; so you aren't gonna' die because you don't have 12 ilevels on your BP or gloves or bracer.
mighty valley
Lmao, your jokes are also top tier, I’m just seeing hyperbole from other people
fringe marten
and if you don't have the right dom gem now..you will get it, if you're clearing enough heroic to get it in your vault.
timber jasper
Yeah but if you're getting heroic dom gear, it's 239..a 252 is only 12 ilevels; ...
you dont do the math, do you 😄
tardy sequoia
sorry guys but what do you mean by "leveling up" a gem? can you upgrade a domination shard?
unique shale
what is this Conversation going on confuse as fuck
fringe marten
I'm missing 2 of the frost gems..but I have all the others. and I've been shanked SUPER hard on loot drops through 3 almost full normal/heroic raid clears. So? take that as you will.
fringe marten
Not the kyr gem itself though.
brave jetty
oh yeah not at all
mighty valley
sorry guys but what do you mean by "leveling up" a gem? can you upgrade a domina...
Yep, go to Heirmir in Korthia to upgrade them
tardy sequoia
Yep, go to Heirmir in Korthia to upgrade them
do I need some materials?
mighty valley
Yes, mostly the cinders that drop from raid… or whatever they’re called
fringe marten
Stygian embers
don't go wild upgrading and use all your embers on 1 good gem; upgrade them evenly for when you get 3 pieces so you can utilize the set bonus in raid/torghast (lel..torghast)
jagged pier
but should i wear the 239 also in M+? even if I only have one and set bonus not ...
yes
fringe marten
I know there isn't an easy blanket statement for the dom socket stuff...but people who have wanted to play prot have been told ilevel is god for so long, that they're hesitant to question that.
tardy sequoia
Now I have a more off-topic question: I was previously in a guild where we were progressing very slowly, IE 1/2 normal bosses per raiding evening, mostly because people were screwing around and not really interested in playing properly or just poor general playing abilities. Now i'm in a more "competitive" guild (for my standards ofc 😄 ) and we're now progressing through HC content. Only problem is that they already have 2 established tanks and 2 more off-tanks so i was told i would have to play as a DPS and only tanking by taking turns with the other guys.
Should I already change guild? I know it's just personal preference and comfort but I'd like to know what you guys would do
mighty valley
Do you like dps at all?
tardy sequoia
I know i will be offensive to all Fury, Arms warriors and other DPS classes out there but... to me DPSing is just... bland.
mighty valley
If you’re gonna be bored doing dps most of the time, yeah, I think you should hunt for a guild that needs a tank
tardy sequoia
some people are like "Oh ok i'm fine with switching to DPS" but to me is really boring
like you go out there and ok just play my rotation in the most efficient way, execute mechanics properly etc.
mighty valley
I think playing dps perfectly is a little tougher than you’re describing 😂 but if that’s not your idea of fun, why stick around?
limpid anchor
I would stick to them to get gear + kills and look for a different guild in the meantime
mighty valley
Yeah you don’t need to quit til you’ve found another guild
tardy sequoia
I'm not at all a leader type of guy in a more classical extroverted sense, but I enjoy the tank class because I like leading the game, and the idea of protecting my mates is appealing to me xD
strong forum
Gotta agree with malaachi that dpsing in raids is defo more boring
tardy sequoia
plus the idea that I don't have aggro at all, paying attention to mechanics and/or if don't execute my prio I will die
is defo what takes the fun out of the game
timber jasper
Problem is most guilds which are running hc/myth already have their fixed tanks since longer time. and if one decides to quit then mostly a long time player will get into that spot. so if you really like to tank the best would be to find a "fresh" guild and progress together with them. of course you can snack gear first with the current guild 😄
tardy sequoia
I mean as tank you have to execute mechanics and ok dpses do that as well, but it's the thrill that if you mess up mitigation you die that gets me in the game
you have to play correctly
as a dps... if you don't play recklessness what happens? ok a little less dmg
timber jasper
you also have to play correctly as dps player. thats no excuse
tardy sequoia
that's not what I meant ofc they have
ionic fern
I can't play DPS in raids,i get too tilted when i gotta do mechanics that force me to move out of dps range.
mighty valley
Some people get fun out of optimizing dps, you’re not one of them, that’s all good — just gotta hope you find a guild where you can do what you like to do
tardy sequoia
I get fun by optimizing both dps AND mechanics
ok they have to do that as well
but if you die, the party dies
it's a lot more thrilling
blazing condor
Died at taragrue yesterday during enrage and got BRd but he had like 700k hp left so i let my dps kite so i could execute more
tardy sequoia
plus the idea of managing debuffs with your mate is like mmmh
mighty valley
Sounds like you have the answer to your question in any case lol
tardy sequoia
So ok, I think i'll stick with this guild for the gear while looking for other guilds
timber jasper
dont know mate. i love tanking since i play WoW but tanking is really boring especially in SoD
tardy sequoia
Ty for the replies
tardy sequoia
i like ner'zhul
blazing condor
But thats about it from what ive done
tardy sequoia
managing orbs is fun
mighty valley
why do you raid
timber jasper
i like the progression with my raid/team
blazing condor
Taragrue is fun cus you can do 7k dps and flex on your team
Its literally just pump - the boss
timber jasper
why do you raid
don't get me wrong. i really like SoD and also have fun tanking. but bosses have mostly very easy mechanics for tanks
mighty valley
Yeah true, complicated tank fights have been rare for a long time
blazing condor
Tanking isnt hard
Period
In raids
Thats why you gotta make it fun yourself somehow
I compete for logs more or less with my cotank
Thats how i enjoy it
mighty valley
I just get trigger happy with the number of people who talk like every second of playing wow is misery and yet they play every day for years lol
brave jetty
I don't get to pump as much as I want to in my raids because my cotank parses single digits consistently 😦
spiral patio
what bis for m+, Old warrior soul and like blood spattered?
trying to minimize on use, as im a lazy kunt
strong forum
Aegis + matrix
Aegis + old warrior soul
Either or owns
fringe marten
heh..blasting easier keys with seismic; I forgot how fun it is. Just did DoS 15 with seismic boots, 5.6k overall dps.
ionic fern
Overall depends so much on the group you run with. :(
fringe marten
It can ALWAYS be better..that's the point!
fringe marten
yeah top dps was a Spriest! at 8k..not bad
strong forum
I always gatekeep fun
strong forum
I'm at like 5-5.1k in DoS
fringe marten
in any 15'ish..15/16..I'll be doing seismic
strong forum
But I've only done like 2 keys I think
With dogshit route
I've never played seismic in keys, maybe I should test it sometime
fringe marten
You just don't need the defense from reprisal to keep up 'facetime' at that key strength.
ionic fern
Where do people even go first in dos now?
fringe marten
you go 'old' route..you go right, but you just get powers.
mighty valley
Last week I was doing the whole trash ring + dipping into gnomer for all four powers
Then ardenweald and reverse boss order from last season
fringe marten
lust pull 1, kill Lt., pull the 'big scary' pack..blast with cd's refreshing from the power mob...tiki with urn.. blast double big skele pack, dip into mechagon to get power, dip out..keep going around circle, kill tiki if it's coming towards you, or get power mob first..then usually tiki with cd's, or pack with cd's..then the 'other' with urn
then go into that wing..get final power (ardenweald)..do ardenweald like you used to
do rest of dungeon (mecha/hakkar/muezalah)
inland yarrow
I ran 3x pug DoS yesterday and it seemed to be common to go get every buff and basically running back and forth all the time
Not a big fan of that
fringe marten
I said what harrow said, with more letters~
you don't go back and forth..you go in 1 circle, so you're progressing forward the whole time.
inland yarrow
I think getting buff that is on your way is good, but getting buff and then running back for another buff and then another and so on. So much wasted time 😄
fringe marten
You don't have prideful to blast hakkar/etc with any more, so you really need the help the powers provide to deal with the manastorms/hakkar.
mighty valley
The only backtracking is from wing to wing after ardenweald but since you’re mounted it’s not bad
fringe marten
The only time you stop progressing around the ring in a forward fashion, is when you step foot into the mechagon wing to ONLY pull the Lt.
The time you'll save with the powers is worth the going 'backward' from ardenweald.
mighty valley
I feel like there’s maybe another optimization for better lust timings, that’s the only thing that feels off, season 1 lusts were perfect
fringe marten
Well everything EVERYTHING in season 1, except for MDI players or extreme bleeding edge key pushers..was based around prideful placements, and lining up lust with it.
Or lusting the first pull..which has been standard M+ tech since Legion.
tardy sequoia
are dratnos routes any good or do you have others good?
fringe marten
Dratnos has become an excellent source of information so his routes are usually solid, and the 'baseline' for what a lot of pugs will expect you to do.
He's been playing a long time but he really popped up in popularity at the start of shadowlands..glad for him.
ionic fern
Really? I never really liked Dratnoses routes..maybe they have changed since..
spiral patio
the only thing id say about dratnos keys, if your doing low keys, like sub 10, all the skips can cause trouble
cause people
being people
fringe marten
Well dude..
mighty valley
Routing is pretty free form without prideful, just try and think it through based on affixes and what your group is good at
fringe marten
Pugging low keys is literally, no joke..the worst thing you can do in WoW.
ionic fern
Lfr close second.
spiral patio
you mean the boomkin doing 3.2K dps in a +8 i just finished wasent a cleansing expierence
😮
fringe marten
yeah I WAY prefer keys now with pugs. Prideful made routing WAY too precise for most pugs..some guy butt pulls some stuff, it's screwing up everything; I think that's too punishing for 'random' pug key groups.
mighty valley
3.2k is a blessing for a low key pug
spiral patio
im still getting going @ 222 ilvl, tried a +11 ToP, ele shammy did 3K on opening boss
like tf
fringe marten
The honest truth is, they didn't scale up the dungeons too much because they didn't have to..the 'powers' really aren't THAT strong. We're almost dry running these dungeons.
ionic fern
I joined a pug key last week when it was inspiring and it was a 4 warrior comp with a pally healer...
spiral patio
alphas
mighty valley
Powerful
fringe marten
As a 'power boosting' affix, prideful was WAY beyond what this season is. But the prideful mob itself was, at higher keys..much worse than most of the Lieutenants...EXCEPT that bleed ASSHOLE.
4 warrior group with a plate healer? That's a Sigma Chad group right there..
In fact it's SO powerful..I'd never want to join it...it's TOO STRONK.
ionic fern
Jeah,makes the dungeon a non challenge.:(
ionic fern
The idea of it wasn't..the implementation was.
fringe marten
Yeah I wasn't a fan of prideful; you had to really research and get routes very precise; and I could..but I didn't WANT to, and it made pugs more often than not a headache.
mighty valley
I didn’t like prideful, then I liked it, then the season dragged on another few months
ionic fern
Better than ghuunies with pug's tho
fringe marten
What prideful should have been, to change it very 'little' would be to keep the mob the same..if they want to: but instead when he dies everyone gets an extra action button; you click it..you get pride buff. You can only have 1 at a time, and you get the pride spawned the same way..by % of dungeon trash.
mighty valley
I just almost never pug though so I don’t have the same experience as a lot of you
fringe marten
Now..are pug idiots going to rickroll troll you into oblivion and INSTA click it? YES..
Or maybe ONLY group lead gets it?
But I think that way they could have kept the prideful the same level of challenge they wanted, but make it so that you weren't forced to plan the route so precisely.
mighty valley
I think it’s fine to make affixes that challenge route planning, just in an ideal world seasons wouldn’t last that long
fringe marten
Season 2 is a lot better; it's closer to the ..golden god affix..that Season 4 BFA had.
Challenge route planning is one thing; even if there was literally no affix, route planning would STILL matter.
LIMITING routes is the issue.
cedar spear
I think Prideful should've just been its after-deplete-version from the get-go as in not spawning every 20% but instead give you the npcs to spawn it
fringe marten
That's basically what I suggested except with extra steps
you get it every 20%..so you have to plan route; but then you don't HAVE to drop the pride off at the doorstep of every boss or whatever. YOu can just get your pride orb..keep going a few more %, then pop it on boss..IE new power bar in torghast.
however this is a bunch of 'never happening' theory crap...we have season 2 now and I MUCH prefer it to pride.
mighty valley
In that version there’s no creativity beyond what gets you to 100% fastest
cedar spear
Yes and I'm saying you shouldn't have gotten it every 20% because that made planning a bitch
But as you say, it's gone anyways so who cares
limpid anchor
Pride was definitely more fun. But pugs sucked. They still complain tho
fringe marten
Harrow there shouldn't be...most dungeons don't HAVE enough diversity, paths, mob density AND seperation of packs to have like "tons' of varied routes that you can utilize depending on your group comp and blah blah..NO. Dungeons just aren't like that
cedar spear
I really dislike Pride (playing high keys, though) and am having way more fun with Tormented