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strong forum
placid river
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I have no clue, sometimes its when I am not even actively tanking

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Am flabbergasted

strong forum
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Are you dodging the chains

minor wyvern
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The enrage buff need to be soothe by a hunter or Druid or an anima.

mellow bridge
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finally looted aegis

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time to try out that bad boy in m+

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Pog

minor wyvern
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gg

mellow bridge
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unsoaked black circle on the ground; gives the boss increased physical damage

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or you soaked the black circle which means you take increased physical damage

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or the boss is enraged

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assuming you are properly keeping up SB obv

amber surge
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are you intervening the other tank?

placid river
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@amber surge Yes

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That would prop be i

jade tartan
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which powers as NF prot for dmg?

mellow bridge
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oh i guess that's a possibility too

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dont intervene your tank while you have the overpower debuff

mighty valley
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feel like a lot of people are only just now learning what intervene actually does lol

placid river
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Yep! 😄

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I have no clue how ppl keep SB up as a raid tank

minor wyvern
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kept you intervene when you tank for the SB proc.

placid river
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I did that

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Totally 😄

mellow bridge
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it's really easy on tarragrue

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you look at the timers

mighty valley
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charge in when it's time to swap, intervene co tank while you're active tank, two charges up... should be more than enough til tank swap

mellow bridge
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2s before overpower on your cotank, you walk out and charge back in

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then you have two shieldblock charges + intervene into another one

placid river
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Yeah I need to do that

mellow bridge
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and it's time to swap again

placid river
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Yeah

mellow bridge
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if youre not charging, youre not using the legendary at all basically

placid river
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Yeah

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Ive only been tanking m+

minor wyvern
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it ok i think you just got a bunch of good idea test it and maybe get us a log next time.

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when can see what it you for 60k

lavish oracle
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Intervening your cotank when they take the tank debuff gives you the debuff too

placid river
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I noticed that too

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Which led me to my intervening fuckup

minor wyvern
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i normaly intervene the closest melee to me for not moving the boss around

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you friend tank don't really need the dmg reduction

placid river
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I intervened him for the reason you just mentioned

lavish oracle
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I intervene my trust hpal, usually

mellow bridge
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intervening your tank is completely fine if you look at timers 🤷‍♂️

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if youre intervening a melee theyre either standing on the wrong position

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or youre turning the boss to them which sucks

minor wyvern
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nah im able to intervene a melee without moving i think we have some free yard.,

sick sentinel
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How good is the Domination Frost 3-set bonus? Due to RNG it's all I have access to, and my options are: 252 Haste/Vers gloves, no 3-set, or 226 Vers/Mastery gloves w/ 3-set

jagged pier
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its the worst for us

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but u still take it

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its an increase

strong forum
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thank chisel

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so you can just freely swap

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👍

modern brook
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Does anyone actually like this system

strong forum
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jeff hamilton does

modern brook
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Cause I'm pretty sure it's accurately described as "really fucking dumb" and no one's complained about it yet

strong forum
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have you been on twitter

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?

modern brook
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No

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Twitter is reddit for people that hate on reddit

empty spindle
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I thought we were getting tier sets

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Not gem sets

strong forum
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literally half the wow community is 24/7 flaming about shards and dom sockets

modern brook
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Aight good

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Only good thing about dom sockets is dom/sub jokes

strong forum
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you can thank jeff hamilton for that, he also made azerite, essences and corruptions 🙂

modern brook
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I liked azerite bgl

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The system was fine the acquisition of it was dogshjt

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Like total unrecoverable maneure

strong forum
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if it wasnt abandoned after 1 patch and would swap based on spec automatically, sure

modern brook
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Yah it had a lot of room

empty spindle
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Idk how they can mess it up when we’re asking for tier sets they give us gems instead in 75% of the gear

lavish oracle
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I liked Azerite essences

strong forum
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but given that it was abandoned after 8.1 🙂

modern brook
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And 40 whole renown levels pogggggggggg

prisma bear
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i hope all these people leaving for final fantasy will make blizzard start to listen to feedback

modern brook
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Probably not tbh

lavish oracle
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Ngl, kinda hate tier sets too

modern brook
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All the ppl leaving for ff14 will get bored in ~ 3 to 4 months

lavish oracle
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I like that they change the way the class is played, hate that they take up like 5 of my slots

strong forum
modern brook
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Yeah fair

strong forum
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azerite traits didnt get balancing after 8.1

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no new traits added

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no new rings added

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not a shuffle of rings, nothing

amber herald
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tier sets are alright if they have bis stats

strong forum
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just like conduits now

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literally there left to rot without being touched

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LOVE those systems

lavish oracle
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Wouldn't give a single fuck about dom sockets if they were like raid only

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But for some reason they work everywhere

jagged pier
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unluck they arent

visual wedge
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which armor piece should u build Reprisal on?

strong forum
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legs

rancid ember
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I hope we see some tuning to the LT abilities in M+ Soon.
Some just don't seem like they'll ever be picked. Hope they get buffed and brought more in line with the better choices. Prob gonna be a 9.1.5 thing peepoHappy

strong forum
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HAH

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this guy thinks blizz fixes m+ stuff more than once per year

rancid ember
digital arch
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guys, what can we say about prot necrolord?

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is good?

strong forum
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its green

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thats about the biggest impact the covenant choice has really

fluid wraith
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whats the thought process for gemming/enchanting haste over 30%? stat weights on raidbots says it loses a lot of value but i understand that the stat weights function is not very reliable

strong forum
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"alot of value"

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you get a 10% stat tax

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which is a total of 33 haste going from 30 to 40% haste

fluid wraith
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right so it doesnt really matter

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just wanted to confirm

strong forum
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the 10% stat tax can be safely ignored

digital arch
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im thinking about to change for necrolord

strong forum
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the 20% one at 40% is a slapper though

digital arch
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im 235 but dont know if its better than kyrian

strong forum
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no its not

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necrolord is defo not better than kyrian in terms of your own gameplay

fluid wraith
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necrolord is too hard to optimize in a raid setting imo

strong forum
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the only time necrolord is good/better is in a raid setting where your goal is absolute maximum raid dps

digital arch
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I just do dg

fluid wraith
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necrolord is good in m+ if you have a comp built around it and u need a necro

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but NF still better

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imo

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for m+

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knockdown on big pull is insanely useful

strong forum
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in m+ banner is also shit to play around because especially there you need to coordinate every single use on the fly

jagged pier
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andu want rep instead of glory#

strong forum
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kyrian/NF are both the better covenants especially for m+

fluid wraith
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yeah definetely only a thing if u have a consistent 5man with CD's that line up well with banner and have classes that benefit a lot from mastery

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imo you can play whatever though, pretty much everything besides venthyr is decent enough in m+ so you can afford to be any of the other 3 to fill a covenant you dont have in your 5man

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seeing as basically every top dps is NF nowadays kyrian gets a lot more value

strong forum
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venthyr is the one with actual downsides ye

strong forum
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like mage, rogue, some boomkins

fluid wraith
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yeah with the fall of NF boomy and NF mage i guess so

strong forum
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few dps are actually NF these days

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like i only know of Hunter and Shadowpriest

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but who the fuck plays those in m+

fluid wraith
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hunter can be either kyr or nf, but most hunters i know hate kyr lol

strong forum
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who actually still is NF?

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besides those 2

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i guess ele shaman?

fluid wraith
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i dont actually know if nf is better for ele

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i think most people are still necro but top guys like bearockoshama(?) are nf

strong forum
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NF owns in m+

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and in raid too

fluid wraith
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quick glance at mythic ranking shows a decent split between the 2

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for raid that is

strong forum
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necro just gives you another flameshock basically

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and the soulbinds

lucid pasture
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hsate > vers > mast = crit right?

strong forum
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ya

prisma bear
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nf is for m+, the soulbind that gives crit on ele is ridiculous

fluid wraith
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korayn is dank yeah

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dh and arms still looking mostly NF

pine marsh
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any raid trinket in particular good for m+ ?

prisma bear
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havoc dh is nf

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and they crank in m+

fluid wraith
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sylv trinket and scale are probably ur 2 best trinkets for m+ IMO

digital arch
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guys what is the site for check what covenant is more used

fluid wraith
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fatescribe trinket or alar trink for pushing super hard content as a safety net

strong forum
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those 2 trinkets OWN

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hard

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probably the best trinket combo in the game

lucid pasture
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wait

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is aegis like actually good?'

strong forum
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yes

prisma bear
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i knew it lol

strong forum
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its the best m+ trinket

prisma bear
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someone in here was telling me it wasnt bis in m+

lucid pasture
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monkahmm

strong forum
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by a good margin

lucid pasture
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literally see people all the time "aegix sux dix"

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??

prisma bear
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theyre dumb

strong forum
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cuz they cant read

prisma bear
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i didnt believe the guy but i was wondering if people actually believed it wasnt good in keys

strong forum
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its so simple to understand if you just read what the trinket does

fluid wraith
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i have a hard time believing matrix is better than scale

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aegis i can see

strong forum
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double on use is shit

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thats why you dont use scale

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matrix does good healing and dmg

prisma bear
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the matrix is 2 proc per minute and on heroic it averages to 600 dps on a trinket or something silly

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on just 1 trinket that a tank can wear

strong forum
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that much?

prisma bear
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well i didnt do fancy but i just read the number listed on it

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and wowhead said 2 ppm and that averages to about 600

strong forum
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im checking a log of a dh that has it

prisma bear
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1 sec ill log on and chekc it again

strong forum
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270dps

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so it does 270 dps and 270 hps

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that owns

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hard

prisma bear
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maybe im confused about another trinket

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the one im thinking of is unreliable hps

strong forum
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did 300 dps on a monk

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270 on another dh

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ya this trinket owns

waxen cradle
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Hey guys since I am getting hard trolled by Blizz I have all 3 Unholy shards and I am wondering if it is worth to upgrade them for now or just save my embers and wait until I get the Blood Dom piece, and the 3 shards I need to activate that set and save my upgrades for that

fluid wraith
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is the auto proc from matrix on a seperate cd than the normal procs?

strong forum
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no clue

strong forum
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bloodlink is just a bit better on ST

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but unholy will be better on aoe fights

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so you cant go wrong with upgrading unholy

fluid wraith
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one of my buddies saw a guy spamming in sanctum chat [Shard of Dyz] Nuts lol

waxen cradle
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Main worry is I end up getting the blood shards I need next week, and the Blood Dom piece and I end up without the currency to upgrade it 😛

fluid wraith
prisma bear
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i have no idea how i got 600 my b

fluid wraith
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just got my blood chest but no blood shards and only 2 dom socket pieces

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😦

prisma bear
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its 40 second mutual cd for double on use?

sweet summit
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20

strong forum
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isnt it 30 standard

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and 40 for the empyrial ordnance specifically

prisma bear
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was it just the boomy ones

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ah

sweet summit
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o peepostudy

strong forum
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i could be wrong but iirc its 30 standard, 40 for ordnance

sweet summit
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all i know is that when i used IQD and dreadfire on rogue it was 20 sec idc

strong forum
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or was it 20, and 30 for ordnance

fluid wraith
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20 sounds right

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40 is ord now

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but that was patched

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to be like that

strong forum
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ya

mellow bridge
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one raid I will get a dom chest and the last blood shard

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today was not that raid

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god I hate this system

blazing condor
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Dom socket only work in the raid right?

sweet summit
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set bonus ye

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gems themselves everywhere

blazing condor
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ah

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Shit

lucid pasture
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they also work in the maw

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and torg right

sweet summit
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correct

blazing condor
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I wouldve hoped i didnt have to bother with them

strong forum
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you dont if you play for fun

placid river
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@strong forum @mellow bridge Thanks for helping on the boss, killed it long ago, but it was totally because I intervened.

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Also learned that I don't like prot in raids 😄

blazing condor
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You just gotta become a LogChamp

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Only way to make tanking fun

sweet summit
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📠

ocean yoke
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remember if youre taking damage healing is a healer mechanic so ignore it and hit revenge

tardy osprey
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^ truth

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just make sure the monster's health bar is empty before your healer's mana bar

potent smelt
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Is this trinket worth it instead of 220 SLH?

strong forum
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Sim it

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But I doubt it

naive hatch
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fury has a wowhead article for talent/leggo changes per fight in SoD, does prot have something similar?

long hatch
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any prot kyrian here that runs high keys? (18s+ rn)

mellow bridge
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change leggy from reprisal to wall for eye and maybe sylv

craggy pilot
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wtf should i do 😬

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is Viscera of Coalescing Hatred even good for Prot?

lofty thistle
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That is a horrible vault selection

craggy pilot
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ye

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i cried a little 😦

strong forum
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Viscera is alright

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Not great not terrible

craggy pilot
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better than 223 Phial of Putrefaction?

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i have 223 Phial and 213 Heart of Alar

nimble laurel
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Darkfrost has great stats, just will likely get replaced by a dom socket piece.

craggy pilot
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dont rly have much time for Raid tho, which is why my vault is only LFR

nimble laurel
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Then likely the helmet depending on what items you already have in these slots.

craggy pilot
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so maybe Darkfrost is good choice, as im likely not gonna get dom sockets for another few weeks

jagged pier
craggy pilot
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have 213 helmet

true bison
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Guys I’m so new to prot, is NF a good covenant if I also might off spec?

craggy pilot
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Heart of Alar is not good anymore? @jagged pier

mighty valley
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I would take helmet and hope for better luck next week

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Heart is only good if you're expecting to die which shouldn't be in that much content

true bison
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Also is blood better then unholy for dom sockets

jagged pier
craggy pilot
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well Heart is like a healing cooldown

mighty valley
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Sometimes nice when you're progressing on new raid fights so your team can see more of the fight before wiping but you said you're not raiding much so

craggy pilot
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i can let my health go to full if i just let it proc

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i only tank M+

mighty valley
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it heals as much as one big healer button, just let them do their job

craggy pilot
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@jagged pier so dom sockets aside, would you chose that trinket over helmet upgrade?

jagged pier
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the pin explains when u should use heart i gurantee u that u are not in that situation

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and yes 226 witha dom socket it better than 252

craggy pilot
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i said dom sockets aside 😉

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likely not gonna get them for a long time

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dont rly spend time pugging raid

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hmm 249 Viscera is less dps than 223 Phial 😄

mighty valley
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yep, it isn't great

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tiny healing bonus too I guess

jagged pier
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again its better than heart

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not phial

mighty valley
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you have literally no other trinkets?

craggy pilot
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ok, i have 220 Stone Legion Herald, is Viscera better than that?

mighty valley
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i would use phial/SLH and take the helm

orchid flax
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is eye boss still unblockable this reset?

mighty valley
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and hope to get a scale

craggy pilot
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was rly hoping on getting a shield :<

oblique hedge
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What would you guys use on the lvl 50 row for raid?

limpid pawn
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hey whats the fastest way to get research reputation

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like tier 6

mighty valley
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do dailies and every rare and chest every day

craggy pilot
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but ye ok thx, ill take the helmet i think

strong forum
crimson furnace
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boys, i a missing the blood shard, but i got the frost ones, is it worth running the set for 3 frost shards?

limpid pawn
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so dailies alone won't cut it?

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that's all ive been doing basically

mighty valley
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i mean it's obviously slower

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than doing more

strong forum
crimson furnace
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pog!

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ty!

eager crag
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Guys, kind of a stupid question. When/how do you swap on Guardian?

I tanked it with a trialed Pally tank and we tried him doing a few combos solo, but I tanked the majority of the encounter's white hits (I took 60 Vs his 5). I managed okay with 1-2 tries at 90% blocks and 80% on the kill, just wanted to get a better idea how it ought to be done

craggy pilot
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what 1h enchant should i go for?

mighty valley
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in m+? i think lightless is still the play

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but i think it's very close to celestial either way

strong forum
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It's literally a 90-10

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Unless something drastically changed

eager crag
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Yeah I figured this is more logical. I guess I was trying to not pressure him too much, had to tell him how to solo the combo itself so whenever he did it I just took the boss's melees on my own

strong forum
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Just play to each others strengths

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That's generally the best approach

eager crag
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wise words Nome, thanks! You reckon 80% over 60 hits is good? My locks are not so hot and didn't even have CoW on him

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Ik I could've done better too, didn't manage to get charges of 1-2 times near end

strong forum
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In raid 95-100% should be the aim

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But in that case I'd just swap more often

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Just because

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Otherwise you're kinda wasting some CDs from your cotank cuz they see no use

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Assuming it doesn't interfere with regular taunt swaps

eager crag
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understandable, thanks man

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Currently playing a bit DPS as well cus there's three tank mains rn but I wanna keep myself as good as I can on Prot, it's my love

fringe cargo
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Hello, so new to playing prot warrior again, played a lot in BFA, but was wondering, know the guides say not to use it, but why isn't the devastator/heavy repercussions not a viable build, and nix the reprisal legendary?

obtuse monolith
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You could do a damage build out of seismic and use HR for block uptime instead of reprisal. Reprisal is so good tho and BSC makes it strong offensively too

fringe cargo
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so basically just depending on the legendary to provide that setup to be able to go for a more offensive build?

mighty valley
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Devastator is standard to be clear

fringe cargo
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well, that is questionable with punish, know it's situational, but yes, devastator is the more often picked

mighty valley
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and yeah, I'd have to sim but you get so much more block uptime out of reprisal than HR, and more damage out of Anger Management than seismic

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HR is usually just overkill, though a lot of tanks do use it in extremely high keys

fringe cargo
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yeah, but with a 14 sec cooldown, SS on an 8 sec cooldown and a 60% chance to proc SS with devastator,thunderclap, and revenge, i mean, the margins have to be close

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does haste effect auto attacks anymore?

quiet crane
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Technically in pure ST punish can be played but it’s a dps loss

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Anything over that devastator becomes a far better option not to mention the functionality of dev is just so much better

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Don’t go reading into it to much the different is so minuscule on ST and a wipe gap for anything over that

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Take dev and forget about that row

minor wyvern
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Hey guys, i need to put a new endurance conduit. what is better fueled by violence or condenced anima sphere?

quiet crane
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As far as legendaries are concerned it’s just reprisal anything else is a meme or personal choice

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FBV is shit, if you have a free slot then use CAS

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But don’t use it over the shield wall reduced CD one

minor wyvern
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yeah i know it the only 2 availlable with the new row on pelagos.

quiet crane
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I’d personally if you were gunna go a more defensive orientated path pick up the finesse conduit instead of the first endurance one, but yeah run CAS over the other one since you have it I guess Althogh they bad, and a different conduit path would lead to better results tbh

minor wyvern
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im open to modification 🙂

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i was runnin kleia last week

mighty valley
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I'd flip the middle path over to finesse for Inspiring Presence

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Rally big

minor wyvern
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like this right?

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Yeah i think it better like this. Thx for the support 🙂

mighty valley
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Brutal Vitality is also not much of anything but I don't know how the anima sphere compares

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This is alien to me, I ain't no kyrian

minor wyvern
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in my mind fueled by violence should be modify to help us heal a litle bit.

urban portal
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what does it take to live a tarrague melee without immunities

grand drum
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Last Resort probably

heavy mountain
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Does anyone have a weak aura that announces what was spell reflected in say chat?

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i had it but idr where i got it from

lyric geode
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Guys i am trying for a 17 key. My shield is merely 220. I am able to tank it?

chilly brook
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You talking the enrage melee?

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Because you dont

lyric geode
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What do you mean?

chilly brook
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I mean you dont live a terragrue melee in enrage

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Aka after you lose your powers

lyric geode
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I mean for m+ keys

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+17

chilly brook
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Well

lyric geode
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what is wrong with you?

chilly brook
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I didnt tag you

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So really what is wrong with you

lyric geode
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I thought that you talked to me.

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anyway

chilly brook
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Because none of what I said was in reply to you in the first place

lyric geode
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ok

chilly brook
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You can literally look at the original statement and see that it's a reply and see what the reply was directed at

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To answer your specific question though, yes you can tank 17s with a 220

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People were doing well over 17s week 1 of the new season

lyric geode
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Okay. I just got worried because a friend of mine had trouble with his tank on NW 17, ( His tank was protection paladin).

chilly brook
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Paladin big squish if they're not played well

lyric geode
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ah ok

chilly brook
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Would probably put paladin and blood DK as the hardest tanks to play well tbh

quiet crane
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But it’s honestly comparing brown shit to green shit

mellow bridge
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It's not tho

quiet crane
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Depends more on the environment in aoe pulls you can still decently keep up the IP buff but it won’t do anything ST which is where cas will do more

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Regardless they both shit

thin brook
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what type of ability do prot warrior dont use ?

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for raid

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i have so many

mighty valley
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if whirlwind is on your bar throw it away

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in the trash

quiet crane
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^

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cool ability in my opinion but much more rage then revenge and less dam

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Done use it

thin brook
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what about hamstring ?

quiet crane
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Niche circumstances

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But where I could see you using it in raid a dps would cover the slow anyway

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So bin it

mighty valley
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hamstring, shockwave, intimidating shout, shattering throw have rare uses but they do come up

desert sinew
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Does anyone have a WA for earth elemental and trees that shows they're up? I'm new to tanking and I always get thrown off when I see I just lost threat to everything because of those.

thin brook
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so i need all of the 4 on action bar ?

chilly brook
quiet crane
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^

mighty valley
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put them on some hotkeys you'll rarely use, like shift+something

quiet crane
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Like I said

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Brown vs green

chilly brook
urban portal
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What's unnerving, the deep wounds one

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?

mighty valley
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rage gen while last stand

chilly brook
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Rage gen increase during last stand

quiet crane
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It’s a shit ton of rage during last stand

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Turns LS into a decent personal outside bolster

mighty valley
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a decent source of rage for irresponsible condemns

quiet crane
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Lmao pre much

chilly brook
thin brook
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my action bar look like this and it is very messy i dont know if i need all of them anyone know ?

thin brook
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anyone ?

mighty valley
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you will use all of those, yup

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mine is worse and i'm too lazy to redo my UI

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well, you can take off whirlwind like we said

thin brook
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venthyr 😮

mighty valley
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hell yeah

cinder nova
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Painsmith feels like a Wall fight

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is it?

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Since the tank mech isn't uhhh

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Blockable

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And his melees are kinda negligble

barren socket
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you can't dodge that big guy cleave from sanguine depths anymore?

mighty valley
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nope, but it's also not a cleave any more

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if you run away it picks a melee to blast

cinder nova
#

And yeah, targeted abilities will just slap the nearest melee with the highest threat.

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Curiously, treants produce the same result even if you don't leave melee.

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Which, frankly, is mildly disconcerting.

ocean yoke
#

first night with reactive defense matrix, that thing is crazy

tropic linden
#

Hey, how do i deal with necrotic on bosses if i'm not kyrian and dwarf?

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Just bricked a key because of high stacks 😦

mighty valley
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Which boss? They typically have gaps to drop stacks, either naturally or you make to make the gaps

cinder nova
#

Soloing H Oblits gives me heartburn

clever sable
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for legendary i should craft it with crit mastery ?

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or crit haste ?

tropic linden
#

don't see many gaps there

cinder hollow
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Haste versa @clever sable

mighty valley
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The melee boss fixates on someone when shield pops at 40%

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Let her run around and don’t soothe her enrage til your stacks drop

tropic linden
#

Thanks

lyric geode
#

Hi, may I ask. What is the hole point of necrotic this week?

lavish oracle
#

Also make sure your DPS focus down Dessia

cinder hollow
#

How much dps you are doing in mplus?
Pretty new to warrior tank.
Iam on ilvl222 ending around 3k dps.
Thats ok?

lyric geode
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i do 4k @cinder hollow

lavish oracle
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Usually 4.5-6k depending on the dungeon

lyric geode
#

I am thinking switch the reprisal.

cinder hollow
#

Wow shit.
Im focussed on survival.
🤨

lavish oracle
#

what talent setup are you using?

lyric geode
#

I pick Ravager

cinder hollow
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Ravager and anger Management

lavish oracle
#

BV or Best Served Cold?

cinder hollow
#

Nothing special.
Like wow head guide says

lyric geode
#

best served cold

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The extra dmg comes really handy

lavish oracle
#

Press revenge more, I guess

lyric geode
#

I want to pick seismic Reverberation instead of reprisal

cinder hollow
#

BV

lavish oracle
#

Best served cold is gonna give you a lot more damage in keys

cinder hollow
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Hm ok

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I try to switch

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Thx guys

lavish oracle
#

it synergizes really well with Reprisal too

lyric geode
#

with show force also with Best served cold while with Seismic Reverberation your revenge does a lot of dmg

#

Honestly, tank dmg is the most important

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I have heard plka advice and it is great

misty shoal
#

eye of the jailer question. Can't seem to block deathlink, if I get a max ignore pain out will the damage absorbed by ignore pain count as the damage radiated to the raid?

lyric geode
#

yes

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Your ignore pain counts as self-healing.

misty shoal
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so only thing I can really do is demo shout each death link and shield wall when its up?

lyric geode
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i dont know if it can be blocked.

misty shoal
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according to the spreadsheet it can't

lunar jackal
#

Guys can anyone explain the tool tip of Shard of Bek?

lyric geode
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As it says in icy-veins. It can be blocked

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maybe it is a fixed?

mighty valley
lyric geode
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also, use demo shout, shield block to mitigate the dmg

mighty valley
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so if you're at 70% hp they have to be at 20% and below etc

lyric geode
#

it does spread the dmg towards the raid

#

Any questions lads?

main wasp
#

did Blizz ever make Shard of Zed (unholy aura one, AOE drain health) work for Prot warrior, and if so, is it good enough to run?

lyric geode
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Huh?

fading relic
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id recommend calling externals for the deathlinks

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i was doing wall, sac, wall, sac, etc

lyric geode
#

sac?

fading relic
#

sacrifice

lyric geode
#

I still dont understand what you mean

mighty valley
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blessing of sacrifice

fading relic
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use shield wall for first, call for a blessing of sacrifice for your next, repeat

misty shoal
#

Yeah, thinking of crafting the wall for this. Only have reprisal atm

lyric geode
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isnt it too much? just for deathlink?

fading relic
#

no

lyric geode
#

You mean on HC or mythic difficulty?

fading relic
#

mythic

lyric geode
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ah ok

fading relic
#

can do it on heroic too if u want might as well utilize tools available to u

lyric geode
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I am just an off-tank (m+ for tank)/ arms for raiding

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Honestly does it hurt that much?

fading relic
#

its significant

lyric geode
#

ok.

misty shoal
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Our team is monk/warrior tank, my thoughts are that stagger is relaly good for death link so probably best if im greedy with the externals

fading relic
#

thats what i did

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but u also need just one 2 minute external to get every other one

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so i just had a ret do it

lyric geode
#

demo shout and shield block can do wonders?

misty shoal
#

i dont think it's blockable, i know icy veins says it is but the spreadsheet for reflect/blockable stuff says different

fading relic
#

its not blockable

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nothing on the fight is besides the abductors

misty shoal
#

yeah this fight feels kinda scuffed for blocks lol

#

at least its early in the raid 😛

fading relic
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its scuffed but its not hard enough that it cant just be dealt with

misty shoal
#

yeha

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BoP doesnt work. had the paladin bop me after the cast had started

#

went right thru it

fringe marten
#

We were doing mythic eye tonight; first time I've tried "Reactive Retrofitting" from Mikanikos 10/10 solid passive conduit, I underestimated.

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It's not "omg I'm invincible now" good; but as far as free passive defense goes for tanking it's very solid where as most of the passive defense nodes from soulbinds are dank trash.

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Resonant accolades from Kleia was the only other decent one; and it's better than that.

green cradle
#

Hey, fury main here, wanted to ask how well fury gear translates to prot?

fringe marten
#

"Fury main Here" ...but his Avatar isn't Leonardo? SUS AF

mighty valley
#

Very similar, both like haste

green cradle
#

Not Leo 😛

fringe marten
#

Yeah..we know....the turtle with two swords? And you're NOT HIM? Instead you went with the Nunchuk guy?

green cradle
#

I went for this guy

fringe marten
#

I don't even know his NAME; because he's not Donatello who at LEAST has a TWO HANDER.

green cradle
#

I'd pay almost double my sub if I could dual wield nunchucks

fringe marten
#

Are you even a warrior at heart? do you LIVE the lifestyle?

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You can wield 1 nunchuk if you played during legion and did the tower...

green cradle
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A ball and chain dude

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That aint a nunchuck

#

Flail, that's the word

fringe marten
#

You know at some point during one of the last expacs since MoP SOMEONE suggested "hey what if monks got like..nunchuk weapons?" and the art lead insta shut him down "not modeling or animating that..shut up"

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Bro it's as close as you're gettin'~ (to answer your question fury digs haste but I'm not sure about the other secondary..mastery is big, but crit might be bigger? it was in bfa but because of azerite power)

#

If you have a decent pair of 2 or 1handers...and actually play fury well; whatever you have for prot gear will translate over 'ok' and then you'll have to start dropping ilevel for stat weight like all smoothbrai..I mean DPS do.

#

(complete tangent: Did you see the michael bay TMNT? I did not. Was it good or an abomination?)

green cradle
#

I did not. I really only have this image because of the cowabunga it is meme

fringe marten
#

..are you not a sad boomer who's a tryhard trying to be competitive in a ditital world far too late into his life? Well I am.. and please tell me what a Me me is?

green cradle
#

Sorry dude, I'm really not connecting with you here.

fringe marten
#

Exactly.

lyric geode
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what are you talking about. Monk tanks are really good

fringe marten
#

LOL!

lyric geode
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i forgot /s

#

sorry

fringe marten
#

(serious meffid..it's pretty easy to translate the gear over, are you wanting to tank after gearing up your fury?)

delicate iron
ionic fern
austere turret
#

Does ignore pain work for mitigating raid damage for mechanics like deathlink on eye on the jailer?

jagged pier
#

yes

timid urchin
#

Hey Guys i've noticed on logs the Night Fae conv Leggo is starting to show up in top ranks

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any of you guys been playing wiht it? Is it more of a DPS leggo than progression leggo?

strong forum
#

It's more dps yes

blazing condor
#

Lich boss in top is mostly magic dmg right

#

Not like rimebinder in NW

strong forum
#

No

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Wait

#

His dot is magic

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Rest is melee dmg

ionic fern
timid urchin
#

yeah seems like its a pure dps leggo

#

but doesnt provide much mitigation like Repraisal

#

or the wall

#

im just thinking...i guess bring Repraisal to 262 first

ionic fern
#

For general usage i would say that's a good idea jeah. 🙂

timid urchin
#

tyty

blazing condor
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Thanks nom

ionic fern
#

So i had the joy of running with double arcane mage yesterday in a ToP 14..needless to say i was having high hopes due to the praise they've been getting.
One was 230 ilvl and the other was 225.
First pack was slow and painful but i figured "Ok..everyone said they are doing insane burst DPS; probably holding it for boss".
Went to boss..both of them doing 4k.
Wiped like a minute in cause the bosses were just not dying.

jagged pier
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So i had the joy of running with double arcane mage yesterday in a ToP 14..needless to say i was having high hopes due to the praise they've been getting.
One was 230 ilvl and the other was 225.
First pack was slow and painful but i figured "Ok..everyone said they are doing insane burst DPS; probably holding it for boss".
Went to boss..both of them doing 4k.
Wiped like a minute in cause the bosses were just not dying.
sadge

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C:

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they just sound bad tbh mwahi find better ones

mighty valley
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Arcane punishes you for bad movement a lot so yeah, if they’re panicking because of ghosts or puddles or whatever they will suck

primal cape
#

Whats ur 2 trinkets @jagged pier ?

native coyote
#

it's almost like "high ilvl = good player" and "good at pvp = good at pve" still isn't true, imagine that

brave jetty
#

A 244 warlock applied for this pug heroic i was in last week

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I was so excited to see what he could do

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he was a distant 6th at like 4.8k on fatescribe, it was such an incredible letdown

unique shale
#

For mythic+ which should i go with Overwhelming Power Crystal 266 or warrior soul 233 ?

jagged pier
#

soul

ionic fern
jagged pier
#

@ionic fern u horde yet?

ionic fern
#

Yes.

jagged pier
#

tanking my ele shammys keys when?

ionic fern
#

Tonight?

jagged pier
#

😮

ionic fern
#

👀

fringe marten
#

Highcat do remember that the old warrior soul is the item responsible for breaking invis pots

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in case you end up wanting to use that to skip in a dungeon/etc

ionic fern
unique shale
#

all going horde 😦

fringe marten
#

Yeah I ran a few more ToP's fishing for shields (of course one hasn't dropped)

ionic fern
#

👍

fringe marten
#

so I've had to use some flasks to skip the start to pull the bull/boss

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and yeah, warrior soul 100% is what is shattering invis.

unique shale
fringe marten
#

yeah

unique shale
#

yikes good to know before fuck up run XD

fringe marten
#

Old warrior soul is a fantastic trinket; just rremember that if you're using an invis pot to skip..it's gonna' yoink that shit in 0 to ? 3 or so seconds.

unique shale
#

BRUH

fringe marten
#

so I replace it with my decanter of howling or phial or something

ionic fern
#

Just do the OG:
"Oh damn..i used a combat pot, res me".

fringe marten
#

Yeah just the FIRST time I did it..I hit invis pot and it INSTA broke and ...shit went sideways HARD

ionic fern
#

😂

fringe marten
#

Yikes if you want to confirm it to yourself; if the maw quest in perdition hold is up to get the invis cloak...go get the cloak and use it, and leave your OWS on.

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(or burn a pot if you want to)

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BUT!!..it did force me to learn how to skip the start of Plaguefall without invis, and it's possible even at the start of the key..the whole group can do it.

ionic fern
#

Which packs? 👀
Isn't it just run left and skip everything?

unique shale
#

have somebody bug report that ?

ionic fern
fringe marten
#

Mwahi, so...I think? you have to have the mount horseshoes because you're cutting between the mushrooms and the patroller giant ..

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you push against the fog wall..key starts..you race forward, cut left and up the hill, between the huge mushroom stalks and over the sleeping rocks

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rocs~

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and you will make it through 10/10 every time no invis

ionic fern
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And then you reach the boss area and see half the skipped mobs running after you cause someone pulled a pat.

fringe marten
#

so you can skip the mushroom part, which you want to because it's raw cancer...and your first pull is the Lieutenant.

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HEY that ain't my PROLEM BREH

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I made it...KETCHUP

ionic fern
#

It's usually one of the DPS'ers..the mobs are targeting them..and then the healer heals that DPS and gets instagibbed followed by the same DPS saying "Noob healer pulling".

fringe marten
#

no..

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because they blame it on the tank anyway.

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"Shit tank" quits key group...

ionic fern
#

😂

#

True.

#

I was doing a Mists last week and had a rogue in the group that NEVER sapped the inspiring mob.
I had to tell him before every pack to go and Sap.

fringe marten
#

OHHHhhh...

ionic fern
#

Tilted to oblivion.

fringe marten
#

I wonder if you can do the 'no move' strat like in HoA and have the fungus giant be further back??

#

..hol up ..about to go brick someones plaguefall and SCIENSE this shiz

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The fungus giant patroller is what turns it into a tight 'race' where you (I think..haven't tested) need the horse shoes on your mount for max speed.

abstract forge
#

Yo guys, i'm wondering how much haste is enough for us, and when i have to look into another stat, for example versa/crit o something like that. I had like 30% haste without "into the Fray".

fringe marten
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Prioritize ilevel on gear, if it has haste..nice..if it doesn't, oh well. You will likely never reach a point where haste starts hitting the DR curve.

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Then if you get identical ilevel pieces, use the one with haste..and if they both have it, use the one with haste/vers

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Domination socket armor would be the possible exception to the ilevel rule.

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And trust me your vault has the amazing capacity to give you crit/mastery gear...that's why I say you likely won't get into the DR portion of the haste curve.

sharp night
#

wait how do you run over the sleeping rocs without them waking up

primal cape
#

just timed sd17 for all my boys

fringe marten
#

because...they're sleeping, you have to hit them with something like an aura or ability

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like don't run OVER THEM

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like next to them

sharp night
#

every time i've run anywhere near them they wake up

ionic fern
#

I think it's also somehow related to how close you go to them.

sharp night
#

ye

#

like 10 yds agro range or something

ionic fern
#

They have like a reduced aggro radius ?

sharp night
#

normal mobs agro at ~15-20

fringe marten
#

you go to the left of the first rock basically

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then the second one you are 'popping' over a little ledge to his side or above him

#

Are they in M0?

sharp night
#

both are easy to dodge when the giant isn't there

#

just wasn't sure how you get past the first one

fringe marten
#

Right but I've done it at the key start, just rushing forward..so I know it works.

#

Gonna' go fly to pf and see if they're in the same position in the m0

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yup 100%

#

they're there in M0

#

and I just did the route and reset it a couple times

#

You have to basically walk ON the sleeping rocs to wake them

#

you point at the left'ish tip of the ? front dirt where the 'hill' starts..to cut between the giant and the shrooms..

#

there's like a green edge of the hill and a dark spot to it's left, you're pointing at that dark spot on the left of the front of the hill

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you go up the ramp, to the left of the roc..then pop off a ramp between the 2 giant mushroom stalks..OVER the other roc to the left of the 'last' mushroom group

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..you basically tony hawk it on your tazavesh glider~

#

and I mean ON you have to walk OVER the sleeping rocs to wake them

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What I don't know is if things like Unholy DK aura? or the shadow shard with the aura will hit and wake them?

sharp night
#

ah

fringe marten
#

Yup just did it like 8 times in a row resetting the dungeon each time so the 'event' starts with the roc flying out and the patroller is in the same spot each time

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However as Mwahi said..you pull this shit in a pug and 1000 out of 1000 times it's RiP key and they're telling you you're throwing the key, and they quit.

fathom turret
#

Good morning!
I need help to find the best choice to pick from my vault (already waited last night Sanctum HC reclean but nothing worth unfortunately...) The dilemma?

fringe marten
#

I had to take a belt from my vault too

#

Pretty sure you're taking that belt...but I'm not familiar with how 'good' that trinket is.

#

LEL "You have entered too many instances lately" Womp Womp~

fathom turret
#

I don't have super good trinkets atm

fringe marten
#

Right but again..that's ? Pretty close to a BiS belt..at max current iLevel

fathom turret
#

Yes that's why I'm hesitating 🙂

fringe marten
#

that reactive matrix..is it like "amazing" for anything in particular? Like aegis is for keys, or codex for raiding?

fathom turret
#

But I cant find any feedback on the efficiency of this new defense matrix trinket

bright flax
#

I took that belt without a 2nd doubt. Unlikely to get changed before next patch

fathom turret
#

True

fringe marten
#

And for the LOVE of warrior self respect, put that book in your BANK son

#

I have a 236 grim codex or whatever that thing is too...i'm ashamed to put it in my bags.

sweet summit
#

It owns

#

But also that belt is hot dandy

fringe marten
#

It looks like it could be cool but that's all dependent upon it's ICD

bright flax
#

this is personal, but I wouldn't care for the trinket since I'll be aiming for a BSS, Phial, Old Warrior's Soul before being happy about it. Rather keep the belt and that's 1 slot "done"

sweet summit
#

Ya id take belt

fringe marten
#

Kireg the scale has just been upstaged by the aegis. The 'reason' you're using the scale..the aegis is just way better for it. Unless it's for soaking single bigger hits in raid or something.

bright flax
#

for real? my OT was giving me his new aegis yesterday and I declined 😮

fringe marten
#

BRUH?

#

For keys it's amazingly good defensively..which is why you're using the scale.

solemn aspen
#

hey, on guardian, does someone know if you have SW up for every sunder/obliteration if you have AM (but not the wall) ?

fringe marten
#

...and if anyone can update the icy veins 'guide' for mythic eye; you might want to add that kyrian phial can delete the dot (bleed) from the valkyr adds (the mechanic from them that actually is nasty AF, and you're often taking one of them into the small eye phases)

sweet summit
#

@ionic fern ^

fringe marten
#

Their...Spear of Bullshit~ @spiral bluff me, circa 2021.

ionic fern
#

I'm updating it today with some additional things.

fringe marten
#

That has unlimitron~ range...like for real you chain across and taunt to pull off other tank and they're hucking that spear across the entire chasm.

mellow bridge
sweet summit
fringe marten
#

Also as much as I kind of hate the eye encounter ...chaining across and hitting a shield slam on the back of the eye while you buzz the tower~ is actually pretty cool...I dunno why but I love doing it.

#

Muyuu it's not bad in raid either but yeah something that just puts up a big quick absorb shield is gonna' be better. Sanguine vintage/scale etc.. Or you could go full anti-social hipster and use the armor kit trinket from Sanguine depths...JUST because you HAVE to be different and unique..and bad.

#

The sunder/oblits on guardian aren't even a problem...it's his auto attack between all that stuff and while you're moving him around into the pylons/out/next position.

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Anyone else...no matter how far you pivot out with your sunder, some melee just GOTTA clip into that circle and get deleted?

cold zealot
#

Guardian trinket (defense Matrix) hast about a 60s icd. Atleast in my logs IT IS Up precisely every Minute absorbing barely anything.
Would advice against it....

fringe marten
#

^^^ why I suggested checking into that trinket more before getting it. I knew there was a reason no one is talking about that thing.

cold zealot
#

7k reflect on 1 min, No Control over it...
ID rather run dps trinkets

fringe marten
#

The 'raid' reflecty/dpsy/tank trinket is the codex of the first technique. You don't have control over it..but it averages from quite good, to VERY good.

cold zealot
#

I mean i did mit Test ist thoroughly. Used IT a few Bosses, checked uptime and damage Thema Put it in my Bank

#

I used Warrior Soul and occulargland dir fast haste in heroic 6/10 Yesterday and never Had Problems....
Tank trinket only become relevant dir Lager heroic Bosses and mythic apart Form tarragrue imho

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Also fuck tarragrue anima resetting. Die 6 resets yesterd didnt get dispell Power so i played dpa Powers. EZ 99 Log an 100 ilvl M Tarragrue 💯

mellow bridge
#

I've tried 226 matrix in m+

#

I think it's decent in there

fringe marten
#

lol yup..when we did our first mythic tarragrue kill I had the 100 log for a day or so.. but LOL that fight is a 'whatever' for parsing.

mellow bridge
#

Did about 5% of my dps and 10% or so of my healing

#

But in raid it doesn't do much at all

strong forum
#

And 270-300hps

#

That kinda owns my guy

#

Hard to find a trinket that does more than that lol

fringe marten
#

You legit go full dps powers as tank, even on mythic Tarragrue.. and the lifedrinkers blade? is INSANE...combined with the insect hive thing, elethium weights and? one other?

#

OH the howler one

ionic fern
fringe marten
#

and I thought uhh? 10 of towers was a pure troll power and you don't take it..and then someone in our raid took it, and got killed but didn't stun anyone else...and tarragrue stood there stunned for ? like 10 solid seconds; I see some JANK tank cheese strats where both tanks take it...die but not near anyone, and Terragrue spends his last 10% stunned forever

bright flax
#

I recommend the weak aura that shows you everybody's powers and highlights trollish ones

cold zealot
#

I would still rather play Warrior Soul + scale or the nine trinket bc hast and more Control over when i get top use it.

jagged pier
#

aegis and soul

lucid pasture
#

Aegis and soul in keys?

jagged pier
#

yes

lucid pasture
#

Hm pogU

cold zealot
#

Yes

topaz dragon
#

Im being assblasted on mythic eye. We just pump IP here or what

pine stump
#

Are u doing tank strat where the tank and healer goes to tank one side?

#

(while rest of the raid kills the other eye and then chains over)

topaz dragon
#

Yea

lucid pasture
pine stump
#

So, here is what we did. With reprisal. Saved Shield Wall only when I reached 5 stacks

#

Then at 8th stack, the shammy healer popped elemental. Who taunts the eye add

#

That way u just worry about dropping pools.

#

I feel like, I should go Shield Wall in raids. But a lot of fights have leap/charge mechanics. So my shield block uptime is good with reprisal

topaz dragon
#

Normally rep is fine, but this fight its letting me down. I dont have wall sadly ://

#

We try that @pine stump thanks :)

keen ingot
#

anyone get to test how good Blood Link is?

pine stump
#

yea, I was dying at 10 stacks with Druid and Paladin healers

#

I am missing just 1 shard from the World Boss. It sucks that u need to get it from World Boss

#

What I dont get is, how some of these Prot warrs are killing Mythic Bosses with the Ancient Aftershock legendary

#

Like no defences at all

sweet summit
keen ingot
#

what kind of dps does the dot have?

sweet summit
#

at rank 5 its close to 800

errant dagger
#

I wonder always if warrior or monk is superior for the semi hardcore people not the world racing people like actually scenarios

#

Since with monk they need generally more healing then a warrior they initially take less but over time more so where is our beloved warrior tank in the equation

topaz dragon
#

wtf is up with this raid tier

cinder fern
#

Would Unholy be better if you're playing Glory, or is it still Blood?

mellow bridge
#

finally got to play around with aegis a bit

#

tfw you reach 60+ necro stacks, pop aegis and dont lose any hp anymore kekw

blazing condor
#

This is a Kleia stan-account during necrotic weeks

inland yarrow
#

@keen ingot For me bloodlink is like 8% of my overall dmg as arms. I could imagine it being strong for prot also. But I suppose everyone should go unholy if possible

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But blood one is not a bad option if you get them early and far from unholy

mellow bridge
#

prot is supposed to go blood actually

strong forum
#

Every tank is supposed to go blood

inland yarrow
#

Ah, heard at least healers go for unholy so I only assumed

#

My bad

strong forum
#

Well yeah, blood doesn't give any raidhealing benefits for healers

#

But for us it's a good dps/hps gain

#

And more dps than unholy

inland yarrow
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Thats good news for my offtanking then 😅

sly lintel
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How do u guys deal with necrotic

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I try to hc leap away but mobs jumps backo n me in NW atlest

jagged pier
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u literally just ank

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till the pack dies

sly lintel
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even at 30 stacks

blazing condor
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Shaman warrior pog

sly lintel
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:kekw

blazing condor
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Yes

jagged pier
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dude u can go to 50

blazing condor
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If youre kyrian go kleia

jagged pier
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ive been going to 70 with aegis

blazing condor
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You can spear to cc if you reeeally need to back off

sly lintel
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yeez

jagged pier
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and kyrian pot

sly lintel
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aight

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till shit gear

blazing condor
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Did a top yesterday and only had to run off for stacks once

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On tyrannical you should have enough dps in the group that you dont need to run away

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Go kleia and use phial if emergency

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Other than that you can almost usually just heroic leap away for a bit and it works on almost all mobs

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Except for jumpy bois

gloomy cradle
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Spear is also your friend

fierce field
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if you're lucky enough to have a balance druid, they can always throw down trees too

pine stump
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What is this Aegis u guys are talking about earlier?

sweet summit
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trinket from the nine

pine stump
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ah

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Kleia best for M+ ?

sweet summit
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can sim for dps, generally pelagos until we get renown 57 for final soulbind for mikanikos

gloomy cradle
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i'd imagine mikanikos would probably sim the best regardless because of the haste buff/bronn as opposed to the mastery from pelagos

blazing condor
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This week Kleia is great

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Because she provides good tools to handle necrotic

pine stump
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just coz of Valiant Strikes?

blazing condor
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You have the 7 second immunity from necrotic after you phial

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And probably other shit i dont really remember

modern brook
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Idt kliea crit gives parry

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P sure only the raw stat becomes parey

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I think Kleia enables stupid pulls during necrotic but not really more so than just having a phial

gloomy cradle
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yeah imo the 7 second isn't really worth it unless you're getting really creative

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just having a reset is more than enough in most cases

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otherwise just spear/shockwave/leap/intervene etc is more than enough to buy some breathing room

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even most mobs that will leap after you, say in ToP or NW won't actually hit you immediately when they land, so if you keep circling around you'll still be able to reset your stacks

strong forum
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I've found that kleia is very good for big pulls

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Cuz you can stay in so much longer

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Get to 50 stacks, use the phial, sit in for another 15 seconds, by that time the should be dead

gloomy cradle
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yeah in some situations its obviously very good

strong forum
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Makes quite the difference not having to reset stacks by kiting

gloomy cradle
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sitting up to 50 is scary though if you're already taking a lot of damage

strong forum
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Eh depends on how quickly you get them

gloomy cradle
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with sw/ls you might be able to but once the key levels go up you're not going to stay alive until that point

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yeah of course but you said big pull 😉

strong forum
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Yeah so you get those quickly

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And in that moment you're obv supposed to use SW / LS

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To make up for the lack of healing received

gloomy cradle
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yeah for sure

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only places i've felt that i may have needed it are like first pull in NW

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or doing grabbing all 4 packs to the right of the bridge

tame jasper
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Thst reminds me that I wanted to switch for Kleis this week

modern brook
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Just do that with regular phial

gloomy cradle
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or slimes before first boss in pf

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that being said though, i've managed all of those without the immunity just fine

modern brook
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Like there isn't really a pull I can think of in the 17-20 range where you're realistically going to be tanking to 50 twice and the pull is expected to live that long

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Maybe some hoa garbage

blazing condor
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hoa weird

strong forum
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Soa

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Mists

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Nw

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Dos

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All those dungeons have pulls where 1 cleanse around 40/50stacks isnt enough

pine stump
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Tried Keia for 15 Spires. Even with big pulls, like the 1st pull and pull after 2nd boss. Didnt feel like that needed that 8sec immunity.

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Stacks ever reached high 30s, and then one cleanse was enf.

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not to mention, pull after 2nd boss, had Dungeon Spear as well

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Maybe the gauntlet during SD might be good, will try that out

visual wedge
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which is the strong soulbind currently pelagos or mikanikos?

slow hatch
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@visual wedge pelagos for defense, mikanikos for offense, i think

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does anyone use impending victory? i usually go with indom but having a healthstone every 30secs seems good

neat horizon
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Hello i hope you all have a great day, i have been playing alot of guardian druid, but that one is really boring, and have tried alot of prot pally, but i feel like a paper, now im trying out prot warrior, can you give any good tip i need to know, or mistakes to evade? 🙂

blazing condor
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The pins convey the information in a way thats better than what we could tell you

primal cape
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Is there a way to see what how many mikanikos heal/damage on the whole dung ?

prisma bear
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maybe im late to the party guys but i just saw 3rd mech boss in SoA his stomp is not a deflect anymore it does dmg it did 10% of my overall on him

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and blessing of freedom no longer immunes/removes it

unique sky
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Well I got my first week of tanking in pretty much, gotta say I love it. Just one week though.

CN has been a really fun raid too, did LFR twice now and did the first half of bosses on normal and it was late and the group called it a night.

Thanks everyone for the help and the resources in pins and faqs on this server are great.

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I am just 201 ilvl but I hit 60 like Sunday I think it was.

patent osprey
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Nightfae Gang! Aftershock

rancid ember
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Plka tell Nom to change his pic Pepexecute

minor wyvern
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Spear i'm still a spear user. What the gain to go NF?

strong forum
rancid ember
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NF Ability super fun especially in caster heavy parts of dungeons. Now with Frostmage being standard it feels even nicer

young sapphire
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NF ability?

rancid ember
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Ancient aftershock

strong forum
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Once we hit 57 renown there is no difference dmg wise between NF and Kyrian anymore, so it'll be tether vs knockdown

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Rn NF is still a bit more dmg

young sapphire
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oh night fae

minor wyvern
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ok thx for the respond

young sapphire
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i use spear because i am sure the damage will always hit, plus it lets me line up ravager,avatar and demo shout with booming voice for a nice bit of burst aoe

spark scroll
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whoa, i just read the Shard of Ann trinket description per the pin. Is that insane or just me for something like m+

strong forum
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It's insane in m+, yes

spark scroll
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There are times when you have no cds, ppls externals down, scale down, and that would be a nice added tool

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Must gettt! ty =]

patent osprey
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i still prefer knockdown over tether 🙂 thats just preference though

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even when spear does equal to more dam

nimble laurel
nimble laurel
mental scarab
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NF is so goood with Aftershock Aftershock

spark scroll
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i think the biggest draw to kyr would be the Phial, all things considered

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between Kyr/NF

rancid ember
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Phial is super nice. My BDK is Venthyr and I gotta kite alot on Necro weeks with no potion

patent osprey
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eh, soulshape is pog for kiting and droping stacks

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things like ring of peace trivialize the need for spear anyways. Necrotic fort are more damning

nimble laurel
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how many shards are actually good for m+? Trying to figure out what pieces I want for my tank set.

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dom helm options are garbo

strong forum
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All the ones that don't give leech/speed

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So there should be 6 good ones

nimble laurel
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😦

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Shard of Kyr (Frost Shard) Shard of Kyr: Gain 660Absorb every 5 sec, up to a cap of 3300.

Shard of Cor (Frost Shard) Shard of Cor: Your damage is increased by 1.5% for 20 sec after attacking an enemy you have not yet damaged.

Shard of Jas (Blood Shard) Shard of Jas: Incoming healing you receive is increased by 0.7%. Your maximum health is increased by 300.

Shard of Dyz (Unholy Shard) Shard of Dyz: Damaging a target increases your damage done to that target by 0.25% for 4 sec, stacking up to 3 times.

Shard of Bek (Blood Shard) Shard of Bek: Your damage is increased by 1.5% when you have 50% or more health than your target.

Shard of Zed (Unholy Shard) Shard of Zed: Your helpful spells and abilities have a chance to grant your target an Unholy Aura, draining 166 health from nearby enemies every 2 sec for 10 sec.

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not sure if Bek is your hit points or health %?

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it reads like it would be hit points

strong forum
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Its %

nimble laurel
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Zed doesn't seem that valuable unless it has a high proc rate. Intervene, battleshout, rallying cry are the only things I can think of that would proc it, and intervene is the only one with a direct target (if that is required)

distant crystal
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if you're 100% boss needs to be 50%, if you're 90% boss needs to be 40%

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blizz loves ambiguous wording

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but afaik that's how it actually works

nimble laurel
distant crystal
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real good on packs w/ smallies

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real trash on bolstering week :p

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oh actually, i'm not sure if it's just on that target

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Cor is just a buff on you for all your dmg

nimble laurel
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yeah, Cor sounds great and I actually have it

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Going to buy the 220 gloves from DA to use it

modern brook
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its impressive that the only shard thats even remotely worth the development time is Dyz

modern brook
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dont even know what it does

mental scarab
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@spark scroll just be dwarf master race and pop no debuffs

blazing condor
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Shaman got the taragrue shield

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sadge 🔫

sweet summit
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L

modern brook
drifting oasis
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how good is a ilevel 233 [Soul Cage Fragment]? I'm thinking it must be better than my 213 sheet music?

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+105 mastery and "Equip: Your abilities have a chance to increase your strength by 185 for 15 sec."

patent osprey
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sheet music is awful 🙂

blazing condor
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i liked sheet music when i was gearing in 9.0

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not that hard to play around cus they'd spawn close

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but maybe just me

craggy pilot
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226 with dom socket, vs 233 without dom socket? 😄

blazing condor
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Dom socket

craggy pilot
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226 is haste vers, 233 is crit haste

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ye i thought so thx 🙂

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is it possible to replace dom sockets? or to upgrade them after i put them in gear?

minor wyvern
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Yes

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you can brought a tool for removing them

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once acquire you can use it forever. (2500 stygia)

mighty valley
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wear the dom socket assuming you actually have a good shard

primal cape
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top 2 shards are : ?

blazing condor
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i have only gotten one piece of loot in like 12 boss-kills

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finna end it

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and it was the shit dps trinket from ner'zhul

unique sky
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In classic on my rogue I was trying to get the shadowcraft boots which have a 25% drop rate. Took me 24 runs, had a mod that tracked it. Saw it drop once and a druid got it, I got it on the 24th run.

I got the cape, chest and bow before I got it.

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I did get the HOJ in four runs though, that was nice.

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I wanted to strangle that druid.

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I did not say anything though.

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Poor druids had it pretty rough.

digital wadi
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new to prot

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general stat prio ?

lavish oracle
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Highest ilvl, then haste>=vers>crit/mastery

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But also pins

rigid valve
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Should i stop stacking haste after a certain amount because of stat dr or do i just keep going ?

mental scarab
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Stack ivl

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Then haste

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The more the better

craggy pilot
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haste better than vers right?

sweet summit
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ilvl and upgradable good

craggy pilot
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i love getting upgrades of 3 ilvl at a time kekw

stray hemlock
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You could upgrade it to 246 aswell

distant crystal
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indestructible tho

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that's big value for me

modern brook
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yeah every 100 raid nights the money i save on my reppair bill is a new legendary

dusky canopy
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Started as NF in season 1 and switched to Kyrian for season 2 anticipating makankos being very useful considering spear every 30 seconds and phial.. but man do I miss having 12 second pack control.. I'm mostly pugging so it really makes a difference in that aspect..
Persuade me why is your pick better than the other?

mighty valley
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The NF spell effect is prettier

late wasp
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But the spear is great for when bosses walk away from it, no fucks given....

modern brook
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Its not; covs dont matter; you're putting brainpower into a sub 1% damage difference that barely has different use cases

distant crystal
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kyrian > *

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flying in your sanctum

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priceless

modern brook
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NVM im wrong

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Kyrian can fly in sanctum

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OP af waat's right

distant crystal
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that's why they can't let kyrian moonkin be good

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cause flightform in sanctum is gamebreaking

cinder nova
north rampart
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I want to build a crit set for necrotic weeks, what secondary should i go for?

sweet summit
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haste