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Are you dodging the chains
The enrage buff need to be soothe by a hunter or Druid or an anima.
gg
there are 3 potential causes
unsoaked black circle on the ground; gives the boss increased physical damage
or you soaked the black circle which means you take increased physical damage
or the boss is enraged
assuming you are properly keeping up SB obv
are you intervening the other tank?
which powers as NF prot for dmg?
oh i guess that's a possibility too
dont intervene your tank while you have the overpower debuff
feel like a lot of people are only just now learning what intervene actually does lol
kept you intervene when you tank for the SB proc.
charge in when it's time to swap, intervene co tank while you're active tank, two charges up... should be more than enough til tank swap
2s before overpower on your cotank, you walk out and charge back in
then you have two shieldblock charges + intervene into another one
Yeah I need to do that
and it's time to swap again
Yeah
if youre not charging, youre not using the legendary at all basically
it ok i think you just got a bunch of good idea test it and maybe get us a log next time.
when can see what it you for 60k
Intervening your cotank when they take the tank debuff gives you the debuff too
i normaly intervene the closest melee to me for not moving the boss around
you friend tank don't really need the dmg reduction
I intervened him for the reason you just mentioned
I intervene my trust hpal, usually
intervening your tank is completely fine if you look at timers 🤷♂️
if youre intervening a melee theyre either standing on the wrong position
or youre turning the boss to them which sucks
nah im able to intervene a melee without moving i think we have some free yard.,
How good is the Domination Frost 3-set bonus? Due to RNG it's all I have access to, and my options are: 252 Haste/Vers gloves, no 3-set, or 226 Vers/Mastery gloves w/ 3-set
Does anyone actually like this system
jeff hamilton does
Cause I'm pretty sure it's accurately described as "really fucking dumb" and no one's complained about it yet
literally half the wow community is 24/7 flaming about shards and dom sockets
you can thank jeff hamilton for that, he also made azerite, essences and corruptions 🙂
I liked azerite bgl
The system was fine the acquisition of it was dogshjt
Like total unrecoverable maneure
if it wasnt abandoned after 1 patch and would swap based on spec automatically, sure
Yah it had a lot of room
Idk how they can mess it up when we’re asking for tier sets they give us gems instead in 75% of the gear
I liked Azerite essences
but given that it was abandoned after 8.1 🙂
Don't worry we got another zone we didn't ask for too
And 40 whole renown levels pogggggggggg
i hope all these people leaving for final fantasy will make blizzard start to listen to feedback
We talking the neck or the armor skills
Probably not tbh
Ngl, kinda hate tier sets too
All the ppl leaving for ff14 will get bored in ~ 3 to 4 months
I like that they change the way the class is played, hate that they take up like 5 of my slots
both?
Yeah fair
azerite traits didnt get balancing after 8.1
no new traits added
no new rings added
not a shuffle of rings, nothing
tier sets are alright if they have bis stats
just like conduits now
literally there left to rot without being touched
LOVE those systems
Wouldn't give a single fuck about dom sockets if they were like raid only
But for some reason they work everywhere
This
unluck they arent
which armor piece should u build Reprisal on?
legs
I hope we see some tuning to the LT abilities in M+ Soon.
Some just don't seem like they'll ever be picked. Hope they get buffed and brought more in line with the better choices. Prob gonna be a 9.1.5 thing 

whats the thought process for gemming/enchanting haste over 30%? stat weights on raidbots says it loses a lot of value but i understand that the stat weights function is not very reliable
"alot of value"
you get a 10% stat tax
which is a total of 33 haste going from 30 to 40% haste
the 10% stat tax can be safely ignored
im thinking about to change for necrolord
the 20% one at 40% is a slapper though
im 235 but dont know if its better than kyrian
necrolord is too hard to optimize in a raid setting imo
the only time necrolord is good/better is in a raid setting where your goal is absolute maximum raid dps
I just do dg
necrolord is good in m+ if you have a comp built around it and u need a necro
but NF still better
imo
for m+
knockdown on big pull is insanely useful
in m+ banner is also shit to play around because especially there you need to coordinate every single use on the fly
andu want rep instead of glory#
kyrian/NF are both the better covenants especially for m+
yeah definetely only a thing if u have a consistent 5man with CD's that line up well with banner and have classes that benefit a lot from mastery
imo you can play whatever though, pretty much everything besides venthyr is decent enough in m+ so you can afford to be any of the other 3 to fill a covenant you dont have in your 5man
seeing as basically every top dps is NF nowadays kyrian gets a lot more value
venthyr is the one with actual downsides ye
alot more dps play venthyr now tbh
like mage, rogue, some boomkins
yeah with the fall of NF boomy and NF mage i guess so
few dps are actually NF these days
like i only know of Hunter and Shadowpriest
but who the fuck plays those in m+
hunter can be either kyr or nf, but most hunters i know hate kyr lol
i dont actually know if nf is better for ele
i think most people are still necro but top guys like bearockoshama(?) are nf
hsate > vers > mast = crit right?
ya
nf is for m+, the soulbind that gives crit on ele is ridiculous
any raid trinket in particular good for m+ ?
sylv trinket and scale are probably ur 2 best trinkets for m+ IMO
guys what is the site for check what covenant is more used
fatescribe trinket or alar trink for pushing super hard content as a safety net
matrix + aegis
those 2 trinkets OWN
hard
probably the best trinket combo in the game
yes
i knew it lol
its the best m+ trinket
someone in here was telling me it wasnt bis in m+
monkahmm
by a good margin
theyre dumb
cuz they cant read
i didnt believe the guy but i was wondering if people actually believed it wasnt good in keys
its so simple to understand if you just read what the trinket does
double on use is shit
thats why you dont use scale
matrix does good healing and dmg
the matrix is 2 proc per minute and on heroic it averages to 600 dps on a trinket or something silly
on just 1 trinket that a tank can wear
that much?
well i didnt do fancy but i just read the number listed on it
and wowhead said 2 ppm and that averages to about 600
im checking a log of a dh that has it
1 sec ill log on and chekc it again
Hey guys since I am getting hard trolled by Blizz I have all 3 Unholy shards and I am wondering if it is worth to upgrade them for now or just save my embers and wait until I get the Blood Dom piece, and the 3 shards I need to activate that set and save my upgrades for that
is the auto proc from matrix on a seperate cd than the normal procs?
no clue
unholy is a good set
bloodlink is just a bit better on ST
but unholy will be better on aoe fights
so you cant go wrong with upgrading unholy
its worth upgrading dyz at least since thats one of the off gems youll want to use in ur blood set
one of my buddies saw a guy spamming in sanctum chat [Shard of Dyz] Nuts lol
Main worry is I end up getting the blood shards I need next week, and the Blood Dom piece and I end up without the currency to upgrade it 😛
this is some grade a copium right here buddy
i have no idea how i got 600 my b
its 40 second mutual cd for double on use?
20
o 
i could be wrong but iirc its 30 standard, 40 for ordnance
all i know is that when i used IQD and dreadfire on rogue it was 20 sec idc
or was it 20, and 30 for ordnance
ya
one raid I will get a dom chest and the last blood shard
today was not that raid

god I hate this system
Dom socket only work in the raid right?
correct
@strong forum @mellow bridge Thanks for helping on the boss, killed it long ago, but it was totally because I intervened.
Also learned that I don't like prot in raids 😄
📠
remember if youre taking damage healing is a healer mechanic so ignore it and hit revenge
^ truth
just make sure the monster's health bar is empty before your healer's mana bar
Is this trinket worth it instead of 220 SLH?
fury has a wowhead article for talent/leggo changes per fight in SoD, does prot have something similar?
any prot kyrian here that runs high keys? (18s+ rn)
you wont change talents on any fight probably
change leggy from reprisal to wall for eye and maybe sylv
Yes
That is a horrible vault selection
Darkfrost has great stats, just will likely get replaced by a dom socket piece.
dont rly have much time for Raid tho, which is why my vault is only LFR
Then likely the helmet depending on what items you already have in these slots.
so maybe Darkfrost is good choice, as im likely not gonna get dom sockets for another few weeks
better than heart for sure
have 213 helmet
Guys I’m so new to prot, is NF a good covenant if I also might off spec?
Heart of Alar is not good anymore? @jagged pier
I would take helmet and hope for better luck next week
Heart is only good if you're expecting to die which shouldn't be in that much content
Also is blood better then unholy for dom sockets
it never was
well Heart is like a healing cooldown
Sometimes nice when you're progressing on new raid fights so your team can see more of the fight before wiping but you said you're not raiding much so
it heals as much as one big healer button, just let them do their job
@jagged pier so dom sockets aside, would you chose that trinket over helmet upgrade?
the pin explains when u should use heart i gurantee u that u are not in that situation
and yes 226 witha dom socket it better than 252
i said dom sockets aside 😉
likely not gonna get them for a long time
dont rly spend time pugging raid
hmm 249 Viscera is less dps than 223 Phial 😄
you have literally no other trinkets?
ok, i have 220 Stone Legion Herald, is Viscera better than that?
i would use phial/SLH and take the helm
is eye boss still unblockable this reset?
and hope to get a scale
was rly hoping on getting a shield :<
What would you guys use on the lvl 50 row for raid?
do dailies and every rare and chest every day
but ye ok thx, ill take the helmet i think
No
boys, i a missing the blood shard, but i got the frost ones, is it worth running the set for 3 frost shards?
Any set bonus is better than not running a set bonus
Guys, kind of a stupid question. When/how do you swap on Guardian?
I tanked it with a trialed Pally tank and we tried him doing a few combos solo, but I tanked the majority of the encounter's white hits (I took 60 Vs his 5). I managed okay with 1-2 tries at 90% blocks and 80% on the kill, just wanted to get a better idea how it ought to be done
what 1h enchant should i go for?
in m+? i think lightless is still the play
but i think it's very close to celestial either way
You generally only swap for 1 tank mechanic back and forth
It's literally a 90-10
Unless something drastically changed
Yeah I figured this is more logical. I guess I was trying to not pressure him too much, had to tell him how to solo the combo itself so whenever he did it I just took the boss's melees on my own
wise words Nome, thanks! You reckon 80% over 60 hits is good? My locks are not so hot and didn't even have CoW on him
Ik I could've done better too, didn't manage to get charges of 1-2 times near end
In raid 95-100% should be the aim
But in that case I'd just swap more often
Just because
Otherwise you're kinda wasting some CDs from your cotank cuz they see no use
Assuming it doesn't interfere with regular taunt swaps
understandable, thanks man
Currently playing a bit DPS as well cus there's three tank mains rn but I wanna keep myself as good as I can on Prot, it's my love
Hello, so new to playing prot warrior again, played a lot in BFA, but was wondering, know the guides say not to use it, but why isn't the devastator/heavy repercussions not a viable build, and nix the reprisal legendary?
You could do a damage build out of seismic and use HR for block uptime instead of reprisal. Reprisal is so good tho and BSC makes it strong offensively too
so basically just depending on the legendary to provide that setup to be able to go for a more offensive build?
Devastator is standard to be clear
well, that is questionable with punish, know it's situational, but yes, devastator is the more often picked
and yeah, I'd have to sim but you get so much more block uptime out of reprisal than HR, and more damage out of Anger Management than seismic
HR is usually just overkill, though a lot of tanks do use it in extremely high keys
yeah, but with a 14 sec cooldown, SS on an 8 sec cooldown and a 60% chance to proc SS with devastator,thunderclap, and revenge, i mean, the margins have to be close
does haste effect auto attacks anymore?
Technically in pure ST punish can be played but it’s a dps loss
Anything over that devastator becomes a far better option not to mention the functionality of dev is just so much better
Don’t go reading into it to much the different is so minuscule on ST and a wipe gap for anything over that
Take dev and forget about that row
Hey guys, i need to put a new endurance conduit. what is better fueled by violence or condenced anima sphere?
As far as legendaries are concerned it’s just reprisal anything else is a meme or personal choice
FBV is shit, if you have a free slot then use CAS
But don’t use it over the shield wall reduced CD one
I’d personally if you were gunna go a more defensive orientated path pick up the finesse conduit instead of the first endurance one, but yeah run CAS over the other one since you have it I guess Althogh they bad, and a different conduit path would lead to better results tbh
Brutal Vitality is also not much of anything but I don't know how the anima sphere compares
This is alien to me, I ain't no kyrian
in my mind fueled by violence should be modify to help us heal a litle bit.
what does it take to live a tarrague melee without immunities
Last Resort probably
Does anyone have a weak aura that announces what was spell reflected in say chat?
i had it but idr where i got it from
Guys i am trying for a 17 key. My shield is merely 220. I am able to tank it?
Wdym?
You talking the enrage melee?
Because you dont
What do you mean?
Well
what is wrong with you?
Because none of what I said was in reply to you in the first place
ok
You can literally look at the original statement and see that it's a reply and see what the reply was directed at
To answer your specific question though, yes you can tank 17s with a 220
People were doing well over 17s week 1 of the new season
Okay. I just got worried because a friend of mine had trouble with his tank on NW 17, ( His tank was protection paladin).
Paladin big squish if they're not played well
ah ok
Would probably put paladin and blood DK as the hardest tanks to play well tbh
Still better then CAS
But it’s honestly comparing brown shit to green shit
It's not tho
Depends more on the environment in aoe pulls you can still decently keep up the IP buff but it won’t do anything ST which is where cas will do more
Regardless they both shit
^
cool ability in my opinion but much more rage then revenge and less dam
Done use it
what about hamstring ?
Niche circumstances
But where I could see you using it in raid a dps would cover the slow anyway
So bin it
hamstring, shockwave, intimidating shout, shattering throw have rare uses but they do come up
Does anyone have a WA for earth elemental and trees that shows they're up? I'm new to tanking and I always get thrown off when I see I just lost threat to everything because of those.
so i need all of the 4 on action bar ?
I mean, outside of stalwart and unnerving, none of the endurance are particularly good
^
put them on some hotkeys you'll rarely use, like shift+something
Basically
rage gen while last stand
Rage gen increase during last stand
It’s a shit ton of rage during last stand
Turns LS into a decent personal outside bolster
a decent source of rage for irresponsible condemns
Lmao pre much
my action bar look like this and it is very messy i dont know if i need all of them anyone know ?
anyone ?
you will use all of those, yup
mine is worse and i'm too lazy to redo my UI
well, you can take off whirlwind like we said
venthyr 😮
hell yeah
Painsmith feels like a Wall fight
is it?
Since the tank mech isn't uhhh
Blockable
And his melees are kinda negligble
you can't dodge that big guy cleave from sanguine depths anymore?
nope, but it's also not a cleave any more
if you run away it picks a melee to blast
It's not a cleave, it's a targeted ability.
And yeah, targeted abilities will just slap the nearest melee with the highest threat.
Curiously, treants produce the same result even if you don't leave melee.
Which, frankly, is mildly disconcerting.
first night with reactive defense matrix, that thing is crazy
Hey, how do i deal with necrotic on bosses if i'm not kyrian and dwarf?
Just bricked a key because of high stacks 😦
Which boss? They typically have gaps to drop stacks, either naturally or you make to make the gaps
Soloing H Oblits gives me heartburn
the first one on TOP
don't see many gaps there
Haste versa @clever sable
The melee boss fixates on someone when shield pops at 40%
Let her run around and don’t soothe her enrage til your stacks drop
Thanks
Hi, may I ask. What is the hole point of necrotic this week?
Also make sure your DPS focus down Dessia
How much dps you are doing in mplus?
Pretty new to warrior tank.
Iam on ilvl222 ending around 3k dps.
Thats ok?
i do 4k @cinder hollow
Usually 4.5-6k depending on the dungeon
I am thinking switch the reprisal.
Wow shit.
Im focussed on survival.
🤨
what talent setup are you using?
I pick Ravager
Ravager and anger Management
BV or Best Served Cold?
Nothing special.
Like wow head guide says
Press revenge more, I guess
I want to pick seismic Reverberation instead of reprisal
BV
Best served cold is gonna give you a lot more damage in keys
it synergizes really well with Reprisal too
with show force also with Best served cold while with Seismic Reverberation your revenge does a lot of dmg
Honestly, tank dmg is the most important
I have heard plka advice and it is great
eye of the jailer question. Can't seem to block deathlink, if I get a max ignore pain out will the damage absorbed by ignore pain count as the damage radiated to the raid?
so only thing I can really do is demo shout each death link and shield wall when its up?
i dont know if it can be blocked.
according to the spreadsheet it can't
Guys can anyone explain the tool tip of Shard of Bek?
it checks your health percentage and your enemy's health percentage, if there's a >50% gap it kicks in
also, use demo shout, shield block to mitigate the dmg
so if you're at 70% hp they have to be at 20% and below etc
did Blizz ever make Shard of Zed (unholy aura one, AOE drain health) work for Prot warrior, and if so, is it good enough to run?
Huh?
id recommend calling externals for the deathlinks
i was doing wall, sac, wall, sac, etc
sac?
sacrifice
I still dont understand what you mean
blessing of sacrifice
use shield wall for first, call for a blessing of sacrifice for your next, repeat
Yeah, thinking of crafting the wall for this. Only have reprisal atm
isnt it too much? just for deathlink?
no
You mean on HC or mythic difficulty?
mythic
ah ok
can do it on heroic too if u want might as well utilize tools available to u
I am just an off-tank (m+ for tank)/ arms for raiding
Honestly does it hurt that much?
its significant
ok.
Our team is monk/warrior tank, my thoughts are that stagger is relaly good for death link so probably best if im greedy with the externals
thats what i did
but u also need just one 2 minute external to get every other one
so i just had a ret do it
demo shout and shield block can do wonders?
i dont think it's blockable, i know icy veins says it is but the spreadsheet for reflect/blockable stuff says different
its scuffed but its not hard enough that it cant just be dealt with
yeha
BoP doesnt work. had the paladin bop me after the cast had started
went right thru it
We were doing mythic eye tonight; first time I've tried "Reactive Retrofitting" from Mikanikos 10/10 solid passive conduit, I underestimated.
It's not "omg I'm invincible now" good; but as far as free passive defense goes for tanking it's very solid where as most of the passive defense nodes from soulbinds are dank trash.
Resonant accolades from Kleia was the only other decent one; and it's better than that.
Hey, fury main here, wanted to ask how well fury gear translates to prot?
"Fury main Here" ...but his Avatar isn't Leonardo? SUS AF
Very similar, both like haste
Not Leo 😛
Yeah..we know....the turtle with two swords? And you're NOT HIM? Instead you went with the Nunchuk guy?
I don't even know his NAME; because he's not Donatello who at LEAST has a TWO HANDER.
I'd pay almost double my sub if I could dual wield nunchucks
Are you even a warrior at heart? do you LIVE the lifestyle?
You can wield 1 nunchuk if you played during legion and did the tower...
You know at some point during one of the last expacs since MoP SOMEONE suggested "hey what if monks got like..nunchuk weapons?" and the art lead insta shut him down "not modeling or animating that..shut up"
Bro it's as close as you're gettin'~ (to answer your question fury digs haste but I'm not sure about the other secondary..mastery is big, but crit might be bigger? it was in bfa but because of azerite power)
If you have a decent pair of 2 or 1handers...and actually play fury well; whatever you have for prot gear will translate over 'ok' and then you'll have to start dropping ilevel for stat weight like all smoothbrai..I mean DPS do.
(complete tangent: Did you see the michael bay TMNT? I did not. Was it good or an abomination?)
I did not. I really only have this image because of the cowabunga it is meme
..are you not a sad boomer who's a tryhard trying to be competitive in a ditital world far too late into his life? Well I am.. and please tell me what a Me me is?
Sorry dude, I'm really not connecting with you here.
Exactly.
what are you talking about. Monk tanks are really good
LOL!
(serious meffid..it's pretty easy to translate the gear over, are you wanting to tank after gearing up your fury?)
I was running it for a while and it was bad. The damage wasn't great and I believe I was getting more healing from the leech shard
Jeh, it's being updated as Blizz changes stuff that are blockable and what not. 😒
Does ignore pain work for mitigating raid damage for mechanics like deathlink on eye on the jailer?
yes
Hey Guys i've noticed on logs the Night Fae conv Leggo is starting to show up in top ranks
any of you guys been playing wiht it? Is it more of a DPS leggo than progression leggo?
It's more dps yes
It's the highest simming Legendary for us . 🙂
yeah seems like its a pure dps leggo
but doesnt provide much mitigation like Repraisal
or the wall
im just thinking...i guess bring Repraisal to 262 first
For general usage i would say that's a good idea jeah. 🙂
tyty
Thanks nom
So i had the joy of running with double arcane mage yesterday in a ToP 14..needless to say i was having high hopes due to the praise they've been getting.
One was 230 ilvl and the other was 225.
First pack was slow and painful but i figured "Ok..everyone said they are doing insane burst DPS; probably holding it for boss".
Went to boss..both of them doing 4k.
Wiped like a minute in cause the bosses were just not dying.

So i had the joy of running with double arcane mage yesterday in a ToP 14..needless to say i was having high hopes due to the praise they've been getting.
One was 230 ilvl and the other was 225.
First pack was slow and painful but i figured "Ok..everyone said they are doing insane burst DPS; probably holding it for boss".
Went to boss..both of them doing 4k.
Wiped like a minute in cause the bosses were just not dying.

C:
they just sound bad tbh mwahi find better ones
Arcane punishes you for bad movement a lot so yeah, if they’re panicking because of ghosts or puddles or whatever they will suck
Whats ur 2 trinkets @jagged pier ?
it's almost like "high ilvl = good player" and "good at pvp = good at pve" still isn't true, imagine that
A 244 warlock applied for this pug heroic i was in last week
I was so excited to see what he could do
he was a distant 6th at like 4.8k on fatescribe, it was such an incredible letdown
For mythic+ which should i go with Overwhelming Power Crystal 266 or warrior soul 233 ?
soul
Dark memories of WF/TF.
Someone doing only LFR being higher than a mythic raider.

226 aegis and 226 phial
@ionic fern u horde yet?
Yes.
Tonight?
😮
👀
Highcat do remember that the old warrior soul is the item responsible for breaking invis pots
in case you end up wanting to use that to skip in a dungeon/etc
Did you manage to confirm it in a key?:)
all going horde 😦
Yeah I ran a few more ToP's fishing for shields (of course one hasn't dropped)
👍
so I've had to use some flasks to skip the start to pull the bull/boss
and yeah, warrior soul 100% is what is shattering invis.
are you sure ?
yeah
yikes good to know before fuck up run XD
Old warrior soul is a fantastic trinket; just rremember that if you're using an invis pot to skip..it's gonna' yoink that shit in 0 to ? 3 or so seconds.
BRUH
so I replace it with my decanter of howling or phial or something
Just do the OG:
"Oh damn..i used a combat pot, res me".
Yeah just the FIRST time I did it..I hit invis pot and it INSTA broke and ...shit went sideways HARD
😂
Yikes if you want to confirm it to yourself; if the maw quest in perdition hold is up to get the invis cloak...go get the cloak and use it, and leave your OWS on.
(or burn a pot if you want to)
BUT!!..it did force me to learn how to skip the start of Plaguefall without invis, and it's possible even at the start of the key..the whole group can do it.
Which packs? 👀
Isn't it just run left and skip everything?
have somebody bug report that ?
Probably - no harm in reporting it again. 🙂
Mwahi, so...I think? you have to have the mount horseshoes because you're cutting between the mushrooms and the patroller giant ..
you push against the fog wall..key starts..you race forward, cut left and up the hill, between the huge mushroom stalks and over the sleeping rocks
rocs~
and you will make it through 10/10 every time no invis
And then you reach the boss area and see half the skipped mobs running after you cause someone pulled a pat.

so you can skip the mushroom part, which you want to because it's raw cancer...and your first pull is the Lieutenant.
HEY that ain't my PROLEM BREH
I made it...KETCHUP
It's usually one of the DPS'ers..the mobs are targeting them..and then the healer heals that DPS and gets instagibbed followed by the same DPS saying "Noob healer pulling".

😂
True.
I was doing a Mists last week and had a rogue in the group that NEVER sapped the inspiring mob.
I had to tell him before every pack to go and Sap.
OHHHhhh...
Tilted to oblivion.
I wonder if you can do the 'no move' strat like in HoA and have the fungus giant be further back??
..hol up ..about to go brick someones plaguefall and SCIENSE this shiz
The fungus giant patroller is what turns it into a tight 'race' where you (I think..haven't tested) need the horse shoes on your mount for max speed.
Yo guys, i'm wondering how much haste is enough for us, and when i have to look into another stat, for example versa/crit o something like that. I had like 30% haste without "into the Fray".
Prioritize ilevel on gear, if it has haste..nice..if it doesn't, oh well. You will likely never reach a point where haste starts hitting the DR curve.
Then if you get identical ilevel pieces, use the one with haste..and if they both have it, use the one with haste/vers
Domination socket armor would be the possible exception to the ilevel rule.
And trust me your vault has the amazing capacity to give you crit/mastery gear...that's why I say you likely won't get into the DR portion of the haste curve.
wait how do you run over the sleeping rocs without them waking up
just timed sd17 for all my boys
because...they're sleeping, you have to hit them with something like an aura or ability
like don't run OVER THEM
like next to them
every time i've run anywhere near them they wake up
I think it's also somehow related to how close you go to them.
They have like a reduced aggro radius ?
normal mobs agro at ~15-20
you go to the left of the first rock basically
then the second one you are 'popping' over a little ledge to his side or above him
Are they in M0?
both are easy to dodge when the giant isn't there
just wasn't sure how you get past the first one
Right but I've done it at the key start, just rushing forward..so I know it works.
Gonna' go fly to pf and see if they're in the same position in the m0
yup 100%
they're there in M0
and I just did the route and reset it a couple times
You have to basically walk ON the sleeping rocs to wake them
you point at the left'ish tip of the ? front dirt where the 'hill' starts..to cut between the giant and the shrooms..
there's like a green edge of the hill and a dark spot to it's left, you're pointing at that dark spot on the left of the front of the hill
you go up the ramp, to the left of the roc..then pop off a ramp between the 2 giant mushroom stalks..OVER the other roc to the left of the 'last' mushroom group
..you basically tony hawk it on your tazavesh glider~
and I mean ON you have to walk OVER the sleeping rocs to wake them
What I don't know is if things like Unholy DK aura? or the shadow shard with the aura will hit and wake them?
ah
Yup just did it like 8 times in a row resetting the dungeon each time so the 'event' starts with the roc flying out and the patroller is in the same spot each time
However as Mwahi said..you pull this shit in a pug and 1000 out of 1000 times it's RiP key and they're telling you you're throwing the key, and they quit.
Good morning!
I need help to find the best choice to pick from my vault (already waited last night Sanctum HC reclean but nothing worth unfortunately...) The dilemma?
I had to take a belt from my vault too
Pretty sure you're taking that belt...but I'm not familiar with how 'good' that trinket is.
LEL "You have entered too many instances lately" Womp Womp~
Right but again..that's ? Pretty close to a BiS belt..at max current iLevel
Yes that's why I'm hesitating 🙂
that reactive matrix..is it like "amazing" for anything in particular? Like aegis is for keys, or codex for raiding?
But I cant find any feedback on the efficiency of this new defense matrix trinket
I took that belt without a 2nd doubt. Unlikely to get changed before next patch
True
And for the LOVE of warrior self respect, put that book in your BANK son
I have a 236 grim codex or whatever that thing is too...i'm ashamed to put it in my bags.
It looks like it could be cool but that's all dependent upon it's ICD
this is personal, but I wouldn't care for the trinket since I'll be aiming for a BSS, Phial, Old Warrior's Soul before being happy about it. Rather keep the belt and that's 1 slot "done"
Ya id take belt
Kireg the scale has just been upstaged by the aegis. The 'reason' you're using the scale..the aegis is just way better for it. Unless it's for soaking single bigger hits in raid or something.
for real? my OT was giving me his new aegis yesterday and I declined 😮
BRUH?
For keys it's amazingly good defensively..which is why you're using the scale.
hey, on guardian, does someone know if you have SW up for every sunder/obliteration if you have AM (but not the wall) ?
...and if anyone can update the icy veins 'guide' for mythic eye; you might want to add that kyrian phial can delete the dot (bleed) from the valkyr adds (the mechanic from them that actually is nasty AF, and you're often taking one of them into the small eye phases)
@ionic fern ^
Their...Spear of Bullshit~ @spiral bluff me, circa 2021.
I'm updating it today with some additional things.
That has unlimitron~ range...like for real you chain across and taunt to pull off other tank and they're hucking that spear across the entire chasm.
Aegis seems very good in m+ but useless in the raid
On our latest hc kill sunder+oblit came 30/90/180 seconds into the fight, so i doubt you have SW for all of them with just AM
Also as much as I kind of hate the eye encounter ...chaining across and hitting a shield slam on the back of the eye while you buzz the tower~ is actually pretty cool...I dunno why but I love doing it.
Muyuu it's not bad in raid either but yeah something that just puts up a big quick absorb shield is gonna' be better. Sanguine vintage/scale etc.. Or you could go full anti-social hipster and use the armor kit trinket from Sanguine depths...JUST because you HAVE to be different and unique..and bad.
The sunder/oblits on guardian aren't even a problem...it's his auto attack between all that stuff and while you're moving him around into the pylons/out/next position.
Anyone else...no matter how far you pivot out with your sunder, some melee just GOTTA clip into that circle and get deleted?
Guardian trinket (defense Matrix) hast about a 60s icd. Atleast in my logs IT IS Up precisely every Minute absorbing barely anything.
Would advice against it....
^^^ why I suggested checking into that trinket more before getting it. I knew there was a reason no one is talking about that thing.
7k reflect on 1 min, No Control over it...
ID rather run dps trinkets
The 'raid' reflecty/dpsy/tank trinket is the codex of the first technique. You don't have control over it..but it averages from quite good, to VERY good.
I mean i did mit Test ist thoroughly. Used IT a few Bosses, checked uptime and damage Thema Put it in my Bank
I used Warrior Soul and occulargland dir fast haste in heroic 6/10 Yesterday and never Had Problems....
Tank trinket only become relevant dir Lager heroic Bosses and mythic apart Form tarragrue imho
Also fuck tarragrue anima resetting. Die 6 resets yesterd didnt get dispell Power so i played dpa Powers. EZ 99 Log an 100 ilvl M Tarragrue 💯
lol yup..when we did our first mythic tarragrue kill I had the 100 log for a day or so.. but LOL that fight is a 'whatever' for parsing.
Did about 5% of my dps and 10% or so of my healing
But in raid it doesn't do much at all
It does 270-300dps
And 270-300hps
That kinda owns my guy
Hard to find a trinket that does more than that lol
You legit go full dps powers as tank, even on mythic Tarragrue.. and the lifedrinkers blade? is INSANE...combined with the insect hive thing, elethium weights and? one other?
OH the howler one
It should be 2PPM. 👀 And it's trash on ST but should be OK on AoE.
and I thought uhh? 10 of towers was a pure troll power and you don't take it..and then someone in our raid took it, and got killed but didn't stun anyone else...and tarragrue stood there stunned for ? like 10 solid seconds; I see some JANK tank cheese strats where both tanks take it...die but not near anyone, and Terragrue spends his last 10% stunned forever
I recommend the weak aura that shows you everybody's powers and highlights trollish ones
I would still rather play Warrior Soul + scale or the nine trinket bc hast and more Control over when i get top use it.
aegis and soul
Aegis and soul in keys?
yes
Hm pogU
Yes
Im being assblasted on mythic eye. We just pump IP here or what
Are u doing tank strat where the tank and healer goes to tank one side?
(while rest of the raid kills the other eye and then chains over)
Yea
Go wall so you can pump ip
So, here is what we did. With reprisal. Saved Shield Wall only when I reached 5 stacks
Then at 8th stack, the shammy healer popped elemental. Who taunts the eye add
That way u just worry about dropping pools.
I feel like, I should go Shield Wall in raids. But a lot of fights have leap/charge mechanics. So my shield block uptime is good with reprisal
Normally rep is fine, but this fight its letting me down. I dont have wall sadly ://
We try that @pine stump thanks :)
anyone get to test how good Blood Link is?
yea, I was dying at 10 stacks with Druid and Paladin healers
I am missing just 1 shard from the World Boss. It sucks that u need to get it from World Boss
What I dont get is, how some of these Prot warrs are killing Mythic Bosses with the Ancient Aftershock legendary
Like no defences at all
very good, in fact, the best set bonus
what kind of dps does the dot have?
at rank 5 its close to 800
I wonder always if warrior or monk is superior for the semi hardcore people not the world racing people like actually scenarios
Since with monk they need generally more healing then a warrior they initially take less but over time more so where is our beloved warrior tank in the equation
wtf is up with this raid tier
Would Unholy be better if you're playing Glory, or is it still Blood?
finally got to play around with aegis a bit
tfw you reach 60+ necro stacks, pop aegis and dont lose any hp anymore kekw
This is a Kleia stan-account during necrotic weeks
@keen ingot For me bloodlink is like 8% of my overall dmg as arms. I could imagine it being strong for prot also. But I suppose everyone should go unholy if possible
But blood one is not a bad option if you get them early and far from unholy
prot is supposed to go blood actually
Every tank is supposed to go blood
Well yeah, blood doesn't give any raidhealing benefits for healers
But for us it's a good dps/hps gain
And more dps than unholy
Thats good news for my offtanking then 😅
How do u guys deal with necrotic
I try to hc leap away but mobs jumps backo n me in NW atlest
even at 30 stacks
Shaman warrior pog
:kekw
Yes
dude u can go to 50
If youre kyrian go kleia
ive been going to 70 with aegis
You can spear to cc if you reeeally need to back off
yeez
and kyrian pot
Did a top yesterday and only had to run off for stacks once
On tyrannical you should have enough dps in the group that you dont need to run away
Go kleia and use phial if emergency
Other than that you can almost usually just heroic leap away for a bit and it works on almost all mobs
Except for jumpy bois
Spear is also your friend
if you're lucky enough to have a balance druid, they can always throw down trees too
What is this Aegis u guys are talking about earlier?
trinket from the nine
can sim for dps, generally pelagos until we get renown 57 for final soulbind for mikanikos
i'd imagine mikanikos would probably sim the best regardless because of the haste buff/bronn as opposed to the mastery from pelagos
just coz of Valiant Strikes?
You have the 7 second immunity from necrotic after you phial
And probably other shit i dont really remember
Idt kliea crit gives parry
P sure only the raw stat becomes parey
I think Kleia enables stupid pulls during necrotic but not really more so than just having a phial
yeah imo the 7 second isn't really worth it unless you're getting really creative
just having a reset is more than enough in most cases
otherwise just spear/shockwave/leap/intervene etc is more than enough to buy some breathing room
even most mobs that will leap after you, say in ToP or NW won't actually hit you immediately when they land, so if you keep circling around you'll still be able to reset your stacks
I've found that kleia is very good for big pulls
Cuz you can stay in so much longer
Get to 50 stacks, use the phial, sit in for another 15 seconds, by that time the should be dead
yeah in some situations its obviously very good
Makes quite the difference not having to reset stacks by kiting
sitting up to 50 is scary though if you're already taking a lot of damage
Eh depends on how quickly you get them
with sw/ls you might be able to but once the key levels go up you're not going to stay alive until that point
yeah of course but you said big pull 😉
Yeah so you get those quickly
And in that moment you're obv supposed to use SW / LS
To make up for the lack of healing received
yeah for sure
only places i've felt that i may have needed it are like first pull in NW
or doing grabbing all 4 packs to the right of the bridge
Yah but like
Thst reminds me that I wanted to switch for Kleis this week
Just do that with regular phial
or slimes before first boss in pf
that being said though, i've managed all of those without the immunity just fine
Like there isn't really a pull I can think of in the 17-20 range where you're realistically going to be tanking to 50 twice and the pull is expected to live that long
Maybe some hoa garbage
hoa 
Soa
Mists
Nw
Dos
All those dungeons have pulls where 1 cleanse around 40/50stacks isnt enough
Tried Keia for 15 Spires. Even with big pulls, like the 1st pull and pull after 2nd boss. Didnt feel like that needed that 8sec immunity.
Stacks ever reached high 30s, and then one cleanse was enf.
not to mention, pull after 2nd boss, had Dungeon Spear as well
Maybe the gauntlet during SD might be good, will try that out
which is the strong soulbind currently pelagos or mikanikos?
@visual wedge pelagos for defense, mikanikos for offense, i think
does anyone use impending victory? i usually go with indom but having a healthstone every 30secs seems good
Hello i hope you all have a great day, i have been playing alot of guardian druid, but that one is really boring, and have tried alot of prot pally, but i feel like a paper, now im trying out prot warrior, can you give any good tip i need to know, or mistakes to evade? 🙂
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Is there a way to see what how many mikanikos heal/damage on the whole dung ?
maybe im late to the party guys but i just saw 3rd mech boss in SoA his stomp is not a deflect anymore it does dmg it did 10% of my overall on him
and blessing of freedom no longer immunes/removes it
Well I got my first week of tanking in pretty much, gotta say I love it. Just one week though.
CN has been a really fun raid too, did LFR twice now and did the first half of bosses on normal and it was late and the group called it a night.
Thanks everyone for the help and the resources in pins and faqs on this server are great.
I am just 201 ilvl but I hit 60 like Sunday I think it was.
Nightfae Gang! 
Plka tell Nom to change his pic 
i'm still a spear user. What the gain to go NF?

NF Ability super fun especially in caster heavy parts of dungeons. Now with Frostmage being standard it feels even nicer
NF ability?
Ancient aftershock
Once we hit 57 renown there is no difference dmg wise between NF and Kyrian anymore, so it'll be tether vs knockdown
Rn NF is still a bit more dmg
oh night fae
ok thx for the respond
i use spear because i am sure the damage will always hit, plus it lets me line up ravager,avatar and demo shout with booming voice for a nice bit of burst aoe
whoa, i just read the Shard of Ann trinket description per the pin. Is that insane or just me for something like m+
It's insane in m+, yes
There are times when you have no cds, ppls externals down, scale down, and that would be a nice added tool
Must gettt! ty =]
i still prefer knockdown over tether 🙂 thats just preference though
even when spear does equal to more dam
I tried Mikanikos last week in a few high SD runs. Both the physical shield and the magic shield equated for ~10% of my healing EACH. However, Bronn is super annoying. Runs into packs when you try to pull mobs LOS, etc.
I've honestly been debating the switch to NF since my group actually needs it. I love spear so much though. Especially this week with necrotic.
i think the biggest draw to kyr would be the Phial, all things considered
between Kyr/NF
Phial is super nice. My BDK is Venthyr and I gotta kite alot on Necro weeks with no potion
eh, soulshape is pog for kiting and droping stacks
things like ring of peace trivialize the need for spear anyways. Necrotic fort are more damning
how many shards are actually good for m+? Trying to figure out what pieces I want for my tank set.
dom helm options are garbo
😦
Shard of Kyr (Frost Shard) Shard of Kyr: Gain 660Absorb every 5 sec, up to a cap of 3300.
Shard of Cor (Frost Shard) Shard of Cor: Your damage is increased by 1.5% for 20 sec after attacking an enemy you have not yet damaged.
Shard of Jas (Blood Shard) Shard of Jas: Incoming healing you receive is increased by 0.7%. Your maximum health is increased by 300.
Shard of Dyz (Unholy Shard) Shard of Dyz: Damaging a target increases your damage done to that target by 0.25% for 4 sec, stacking up to 3 times.
Shard of Bek (Blood Shard) Shard of Bek: Your damage is increased by 1.5% when you have 50% or more health than your target.
Shard of Zed (Unholy Shard) Shard of Zed: Your helpful spells and abilities have a chance to grant your target an Unholy Aura, draining 166 health from nearby enemies every 2 sec for 10 sec.
not sure if Bek is your hit points or health %?
it reads like it would be hit points
Its %
Zed doesn't seem that valuable unless it has a high proc rate. Intervene, battleshout, rallying cry are the only things I can think of that would proc it, and intervene is the only one with a direct target (if that is required)
if you're 100% boss needs to be 50%, if you're 90% boss needs to be 40%
blizz loves ambiguous wording
but afaik that's how it actually works
yeah, doesn't seem very valuable for m+ but still has some value.
real good on packs w/ smallies
real trash on bolstering week :p
oh actually, i'm not sure if it's just on that target
Cor is just a buff on you for all your dmg
yeah, Cor sounds great and I actually have it
Going to buy the 220 gloves from DA to use it
its impressive that the only shard thats even remotely worth the development time is Dyz
Dyz nuts
@spark scroll just be dwarf master race and pop no debuffs
L
just call out for the rest of the lock out
how good is a ilevel 233 [Soul Cage Fragment]? I'm thinking it must be better than my 213 sheet music?
+105 mastery and "Equip: Your abilities have a chance to increase your strength by 185 for 15 sec."
sheet music is awful 🙂
i liked sheet music when i was gearing in 9.0
not that hard to play around cus they'd spawn close
but maybe just me
226 with dom socket, vs 233 without dom socket? 😄
Dom socket
226 is haste vers, 233 is crit haste
ye i thought so thx 🙂
is it possible to replace dom sockets? or to upgrade them after i put them in gear?
Yes
you can brought a tool for removing them
once acquire you can use it forever. (2500 stygia)
wear the dom socket assuming you actually have a good shard
top 2 shards are : ?
i have only gotten one piece of loot in like 12 boss-kills
finna end it
and it was the shit dps trinket from ner'zhul
In classic on my rogue I was trying to get the shadowcraft boots which have a 25% drop rate. Took me 24 runs, had a mod that tracked it. Saw it drop once and a druid got it, I got it on the 24th run.
I got the cape, chest and bow before I got it.
I did get the HOJ in four runs though, that was nice.
I wanted to strangle that druid.
I did not say anything though.
Poor druids had it pretty rough.
Should i stop stacking haste after a certain amount because of stat dr or do i just keep going ?
haste better than vers right?
i love getting upgrades of 3 ilvl at a time kekw
You could upgrade it to 246 aswell
yeah every 100 raid nights the money i save on my reppair bill is a new legendary
Started as NF in season 1 and switched to Kyrian for season 2 anticipating makankos being very useful considering spear every 30 seconds and phial.. but man do I miss having 12 second pack control.. I'm mostly pugging so it really makes a difference in that aspect..
Persuade me why is your pick better than the other?

The NF spell effect is prettier
But the spear is great for when bosses walk away from it, no fucks given....
Its not; covs dont matter; you're putting brainpower into a sub 1% damage difference that barely has different use cases
that's why they can't let kyrian moonkin be good
cause flightform in sanctum is gamebreaking
Why am I so afraid to spend my valor
I want to build a crit set for necrotic weeks, what secondary should i go for?
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