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#protection
cinder nova
It's dumb
sweet summit
check pins reflect guide
chrome falcon
take it off your bars and i'm not kidding
fathom spindle
Is that a bug, or will they leave it like that?
strong forum
100% Don't care enough
chrome falcon
yeah
strong forum
It's an early boss which should be easily killed
chrome falcon
like if you asked the raid designer "should warriors be able to block this" they'd probably say yes
but they're not gonna bother fixing it
fathom spindle
Is it a common issue on Mythic?
I mean, ive tanked it HC no problems, but kind of a waste now that i know
chrome falcon
i felt like i was getting absolutely trucked personally
hurt a lot especially with our strategy for the intermissions where i was at like 12 stacks of the debuff
but it's livable with a bunch of IP spam and calling for externals
sweet summit
did you play the no swap strat?
strong forum
Shouldnt be an issue, just eat externals and play the wall
chilly brook
Running The Wall and AM would help
chrome falcon
the raid swapped, tanks didn't
chilly brook
A lot
sweet summit
yea
chilly brook
If you have a holy priest
sweet summit
one group takes chain and one group takes gateway
chrome falcon
yeah we tried doing the no swap ranged cleave strat
we kept getting the adds to like 10% and then dying to 9 stacks
gonna swap to no swap next week probably when we actually do damage
dim token
Can someone name a few high damage reflects in m+ like plaguefall stomp?
amber herald
there's a pin but reaping scythe, piercing barb, soulshatter, charged stomp
blazing condor
whats the philosophy on valor upgrades now? trinkets/shields first?
just got a sin-stained dunno if i wanna bang my valor on it
chrome falcon
i think upgrading shields is trolling
amber herald
I went shield it's the cheapest and most important
chrome falcon
tarragrue drops one and is very very puggable on mythic
dim token
there's a pin but reaping scythe, piercing barb, soulshatter, charged stomp
Thanks! Yea I’m aware of that pin but coming from a dk it’s a bit overwhelming so I wanna start from memorizing some high reward ones first
mighty valley
tarragrue is one chance per week if your server is up to pugging, so pinning your hopes on it doesn't seem like the play
if you've got a shield and you're wanting to prog, it's probably the most efficient place to dump points
amber herald
even if you fully upgrade to 246 and then get a 252 that's not bad value it's definitely worth
then I would go trinkets after that, maybe rings if its bis stats
blazing condor
was it 250 points for shield or for neck
amber herald
trinkets are 400 I think
blazing condor
didnt mean to winky but u get it anyway
amber herald
blazing condor
you gotta earn my winkies
chrome falcon
😳
chilly brook
i think upgrading shields is trolling
Having a high ilvl shield is the most impactful thing you can do
chrome falcon
exactly, so go pug tarragrue mythic 🙂
chilly brook
If a shield doesn't drop off terragrue you really only have one option
chrome falcon
idk i'm not saying it's a terrible decision, trolling is an overstatement
chrome falcon
i've got a pair of haste mainstat rings that are looking pretty juicy atm
chilly brook
A shield is still a better decision lol
You're much more likely to get jewelry out of the vault anyways than a shield
Like 100% exhaust your possible drop chances
But if you dont get one just farm one from m+, it'll only be like 750 valor to take the one you farm to max ilvl from upgrades
novel sentinel
is the aegis from the nine actually any good?
chrome falcon
yeah that trinket owns
chilly brook
Great in m+
jagged pier
best m+ trinket
chilly brook
I'd argue much better trinkets exist for raid
jagged pier
they do
primal cape
whats aegis?
novel sentinel
well I got god rng on trinkets this week and i've got the scale from vault and mythic aegis i'm just wondering what's actually worth using
chilly brook
primal cape
who drop this beauty
chilly brook
The Nine
chrome falcon
scale from vault and mythic aegis
novel sentinel
my al'ar trinket has leech as well ...
do you guys think it's worth using over the scale?
otherwise I can give it to my co tank
chrome falcon
it's better in m+ than scale
distant crystal
it's better in big trash packs at least
the more things punching you the better it gets
dusky elk
Opinions on [Perfectly Forged Credentials] Neck for prot? Supposed to be BiS for most classes.
novel sentinel
noted, is that true even on single target jakey?
strong forum
In ST scale is better because it has a total value
distant crystal
it probs fucks hard against a monk's fist of fury tho
mighty valley
Opinions on [Perfectly Forged Credentials] Neck for prot? Supposed to be BiS for...
when I've simmed it it's seemed a little better than 233 necks but it's not out of this world. harder to sim for defensive value though
modern brook
PFC will be godly when we can get it at max ilvl since its mainstat on a jewlery slot.
IDK what highest ilvl it can be rn
dusky elk
Ill give it a shot, its replacing a 226 not a 233
226 is the highest level for PFC currently
modern brook
will probably stuggle to compete against raw stats of a 249~ or whatever
Sidebar: really glad they did away with 5 ilvl incremental gains
for whatever the fuck multiple of 7 ass system they do now
really makes it fucking clear
strong forum
I kinda like it more this way
mighty valley
will PFC even be on the M+ loot table? since it's a quest reward
strong forum
Dunno why, just do
strong forum
will PFC even be on the M+ loot table? since it's a quest reward
Na
distant crystal
if you like haste/mast, PFC stays good for quite a bit
but i'd imagine for prot it gets replaced p early
it's basically just +12.5str
strong forum
Tazavesh m+ is next year anyway
strong forum
Idk I think it's cooler
modern brook
this mf likes 9s
mighty valley
i'm with nom, it feels kinda mechanical when it's all in 5s
modern brook
its the same thing 😠
sweet summit
strong forum
You're mome gay
sweet summit
your'e nome gae
mighty valley
all damage numbers should be 1-10
blazing condor
pikerchu
mighty valley
"sick, I hit for 7"
modern brook
imagine not using commas to describe your autoattack dmg
sick i hit for ,7
mighty valley
it's always bad opinion oclock in class discords
chilly brook
Tbh I think they should really just be doing one gear level
Not everyone should raid change my mind
modern brook
"most people play the game for the world content" - some fucking moron developing the game
I hope wow 2 titled Instances of warcraft
strong forum
I've devolved into playing for gear
mighty valley
the average wow player would look like an alien to most of us
chilly brook
the average wow player would look like an alien to most of us
Not so sure about that one lol
mighty valley
you get people in here being like "i'm pretty casual, i'm just doing KSM"
modern brook
I still cant believe one of the selling points for 9.1 according to blizzard is "40 more renown levels"
because thats what everyone wanted
mighty valley
a lot of people barely interact with group content and just want things to do week to week 🤷
mighty valley
it's like when i learned a huge huge percentage of league of legends games were coop vs ai
and the entire online community is obsessed with solo queue ranked
if you're talking about a game online at all, you are part of a small percentage of the playerbase lol
chilly brook
Tbf solo queue is actually not a bad idea
plush tendon
Tbf solo queue is actually not a bad idea
its not a bad idea.... its a terrible idea
chilly brook
It's definitely better than what we have currently in wow for pvp
mighty valley
i mean the discourse is whatever, it just turns out it's a heated debate that feels like the most important thing to the "community"
modern brook
i think hes referrring to lol griff
mighty valley
when it actually affects a pretty small part of the players
chilly brook
i think hes referrring to lol griff
I know
plush tendon
Lol solo que is also terrible... Ill still play it though
chilly brook
But the idea of a solo queue is not a bad one in regards to competitive games
modern brook
I want solo queue added but i dont think it addresses the key problem with PvP rn
which is of course that its so fucking esoteric to get into
chilly brook
If you need a team to play you alienate a huge portion of the playerbase
chilly brook
which is of course that its so fucking esoteric to get into
Yes but that's literally one less barrier
plush tendon
Im fine with solo que when its 1v1, but as soon as you are paired with another person or team you did not choose, things go south fast
chilly brook
One of the worst barriers actually
When you have to sit here and wait 15 minutes to find a healer only for them to leave after the first loss of your 2s game....
mighty valley
it's complicate tho because solo players burn out hard, and solo players that turn into team players stick with the game longer and have a better time
modern brook
Im fine with solo que when its 1v1, but as soon as you are paired with another p...
theres no difference between solo queue and current LFG except that i can blame the algorithm instead of my own lack of paitence when the ppl i pick are doodoo
chilly brook
it's complicate tho because solo players burn out hard, and solo players that tu...
Brother you're gonna burn out way faster when you're waiting 3 hours and get 6 3 minute matches in that timeframe
chilly brook
theres no difference between solo queue and current LFG except that i can blame ...
Kinda is actually
It would make boosting a lot more difficult tbh
plush tendon
I fervently believe that people need to look outside the LFG tools to find partners for M+ and PVP
I think pugging for any content is the wrong way to play the game
mighty valley
i'm telling you the measurable facts - people who play with friends stick with games longer and have a better time (and end up paying more money lol)
modern brook
I fervently believe that people need to look outside the LFG tools to find partn...
same could be said about literally any team game
plush tendon
same could be said about literally any team game
exactly
chilly brook
i'm telling you the measurable facts - people who play with friends stick with g...
I'm not disputing that, but I have a laundry list of people that I've added and made friends with because they thought I was good or I thought they were good from solo queuing ranked in Siege
modern brook
gross
Siege shouldnt have solo queue tbh
just an archaic lfg to find partners with no vetting
plush tendon
I'm not disputing that, but I have a laundry list of people that I've added and ...
to me, that is the correct way to use a tool like LFG; if the intention is to expand your potential pool of friends or partners for long term gaming fun
what i dont think is healthy is for single players to que up, finish game, then restart the cycle
chilly brook
to me, that is the correct way to use a tool like LFG; if the intention is to ex...
Again, can't use it like that when everyone is like lmao you only have 20% vers nah fam git gud
And the only healers that join you fuck up and then leave
plush tendon
Wouldnt the same happen in solo que?
chilly brook
WoW lfg is insanely broken in terms of pvp
No because there is no barrier if you solo q
plush tendon
like run it down mid if they get a 'shit' class for a teammate
or in this case, run in the center and jump up and down
modern brook
IDK how you're just drawing a line between trolls and solo q
plush tendon
granted, I agree PVP needs a overhaul, but I dont believe solo que is the answer
chilly brook
Sure you could run the risk of people inting but I doubt they do that without actually being in the match for a minute
Like that shit happens in league like 15 minutes into the match lmao
modern brook
that shit happens in games like league cause they last 30-60 minutes
arenas are over in seconds
chilly brook
^^
plush tendon
maybe solo que has to be implemented first then
so we can see what the reaction of the playerbase is
I just dont believe it will work
chilly brook
I'm being serious when I say that something like solo q would go a long way to actually improving pvp as far as retention and engagement
modern brook
hard agree; any issue with inting etc is resolved by having it have its own rank
The only real issue with SoloQ is they have to figure out what to do with tanks
chilly brook
The system is already technically in place
distant crystal
Gave up on wow pvp a while ago
chilly brook
Like skirmishes do what solo queue should do
plush tendon
theyve sort of experimented with it; the technology exists in game
chilly brook
They just don't actually do anything worth while lol
modern brook
evens kirmishes are shit tbh
solo q should literally just be X seeking y
i shouldnt be forced into double dps as arms just cause they're shit
chilly brook
They're shit because you mostly just get clapped by dudes who are 2300 warming up for their arena push
distant crystal
not bad
chilly brook
NF prot is great
Especially in m+
Korayn go brr
Aftershock is kekw no casting for you for 12 seconds
devout heron
i helped my friend on leveling as prot
it's burst felt great
i felt like playing a sword n board dps
with ravager avatar and aftershock
i might actually play it
especially on pugs
plush tendon
Yea, NF Prot is totally viable and good
Kyrian preferred due to Kyrian dungeon buffs
But im still NF; AA>Spear
devout heron
but since spear soulbind coming up ill probably switch kyrian later on
plush tendon
booo
devout heron
i play arms so WB > spear with elysian might actually can be so good
oak lotus
the year of the spear
devout heron
why it rised to be very good in season 2?
it was kinda slack as i heard on prideful
mighty valley
NF was great s1
plush tendon
^
plush tendon
The interaction with Owl Bro and more spears is the real question right now and if itll overtake NF for damage
but ima wait and see
mighty valley
oh
plush tendon
oh, we've always been good
mighty valley
eh, we were pretty great after 9.0.5, just overshadowed by DHs for a while
mighty valley
also once community sentiment locks in, it's hard to shift, and sometimes it takes a major patch for people to reevaluate
the meta seems very open just now but it might collapse around bears soon, idk
but by this time last season, it was already almost all VDH
so, this is an improvement
plush tendon
Bears still have low damage outside of incarn
but theyll be preferred for the high pushers for their pure tankiness
mighty valley
they're just gods for the important enormous pulls
plush tendon
they are also boring AF
primal cape
im seeing some necro atm
plush tendon
necro prot?
primal cape
plush tendon
yea, that looks right
we have options
Kyrian>=NF>Necro generally speaking
but all viable
mighty valley
they are also boring AF
another reason they're gonna be popular, they're strong AND hard to fuck up lmao
press cooldown, smash thrash & ironfur
god mode
mighty valley
ravager is great
plush tendon
The plate gear this tier looks too good not to be a warrior
devout heron
its a new talent for prot right ? it wasnt there on legion and bda
mighty valley
early aoe threat, rage gen
devout heron
bfa*
ionic fern
It was.
plush tendon
it was there, just never used
inland raft
Ravager is both defensive from the rage gen and aoe threat
ionic fern
It was just horrible.
devout heron
ah reallyy?
devout heron
The plate gear this tier looks too good not to be a warrior
sad that im a panda
might switch to orc but
for now i am
plush tendon
now im intrigued
mighty valley
pandas will always have MoP gear, looks great
devout heron
wait im loggin
devout heron
pandas will always have MoP gear, looks great
itss soooo outdated tho
as textures
idk
mighty valley
eh, mop art direction was great, holds up to me
bfa is more modern but mostly looks ass
plush tendon
BFA tmog was garbage
devout heron
im look like this rn
mighty valley
except the leather pirate stuff
fierce field
I think the heroic is the worst... that yellow is hideous
plush tendon
too thiccc
devout heron
its the waist really
mighty valley
i'm never gonna be a fan of having a million skulls all over me
graceful sundial
hello! got a quick question about wlogs. Is there a way to see in wlogs if the tank is being hit at the back and not in front of him?
mighty valley
not really afaik? just one possible cause for low blocked hits %
or if they're not parrying as much as they should... but to see a statistically relevant difference they'd have to be turning their back a lot
plush tendon
yea, if it happens frequently, youll know cause the tank's health will drop hard
mighty valley
that could also be they're not good at shield block uptime
modest jackal
What are the best powers for us to take out tarragrue?
jagged pier
it doesnt matter
mighty valley
it's pleasant to not get stunned
mighty valley
fair
strong forum
mighty valley
don't take the get big and knock friends back power unless you want to troll
in which case
definitely take it
modest jackal
Ya sorry i know the basic powers but im going into mythic tarragrue a little undergeared so looking for bis ones
distant crystal
and just fuck off during dark phase
jagged pier
well u get a random selection
so even if there are best one u might not get them at all
jolly wasp
Guys, is there any way to track Balance's Ravenous Frenzy for easier Necro Banner usage?
modest jackal
You can reset powers
jagged pier
to random ones again
like theres no optimisation the boss can be done without powers its literally a meme boss so just pick which powers u want
modest jackal
Sounds good
plush tendon
still a great first boss
fierce field
only ones we get are putting the everbeating heart on the tanks so we can soak the stuns and don't get feared by careless melee dps
plush tendon
not hard, fun to get Torggie powers, and a great way to start a raid
fathom spindle
Worst power you can get is a lousy off-tank when you wanna pad the damage meters cause you got all the offensive powers 😙
jagged pier
i tanked and just got offensive powers 🤷
fathom spindle
I got 99 logs, and i told my off-tank to run to a corner, and i popped Avatar/Demo shout and was about to execute.
He instantly bubbles...
green apex
so 233 Anima Field Emitter or keep 213 Heart of Al'ar
jagged pier
233
green apex
i figured that heart just feels lackluster at this point
fathom spindle
Shields are still the way for us to go in the vault right?
Got a 252 1-hand with haste/vers last week though 😄
chilly brook
Shield>weapon>armor>jewelry>trinkets
jagged pier
yes and no
tarrgue drops 252 shield now
so
and its haste vers
but u might never get it
i would suggest not opening vault yet week till uy kill mythic tarrgrue
fathom spindle
Yeah, i reckon we can take him no prob.
But i don’t know when we will
jagged pier
if u arent gunna kill him all the time
just take the sheild for now
it wont matter to much
fathom spindle
Will you bless my RNG then? 🥺
sturdy sable
You can open vault and not pick anything and itle still be there later
Used to have a guildy do that every Tuesday to sim before farm
fathom spindle
That’s actually quite smart
fierce field
for those of us not Mythic raiders... that order would hold true
mighty valley
banned
full wharf
should i craft the kyrian leggo for m+ or reprisal?
fierce field
Reprisal
full wharf
thanks
paper garden
just wondering, I've definitely looked at a lot of the stat priorities, nearly all of them show Haste > Vers > Crit > Mastery, though a lot of the top tanks in mythic raids seem to use a LOT more mastery, wondering if there's any articles on the number crunching done on where maybe Mastery ends up being better then Vers? Would think with higher block chance/crit block chance, you could get more mitigation out of mastery then Vers in some scenarios.
proper pecan
Hey lads, any tips for myth eye? Seems like nothing is blockable aside of spear
lavish oracle
the best stat is ilvl
jolly wasp
in my experience, it's pretty much the same as heroic as far as tanking goes, you can reflect the add cast in p2
stark sage
just wondering, I've definitely looked at a lot of the stat priorities, nearly a...
most likely answer is these tanks youre looking at have high mastery because the highest ilvl gear they've got is mastery heavy
jolly wasp
as long as you tank the adds in the correct spots, not much to add
shut summit
yea just use the wall and pray your healers like you
fierce field
i think reprisal also pushed mastery up some, since you get even more shield block so more critical blocks
but realistically... people are taking ilvl, then will normalize their "BIS" stats once they have more options
sick sentinel
i see they changed something about picking up bombs on mail room guy
shut summit
click them now? or something instead of running over them
leaden basin
shut summit
lovely
jolly wasp
Sense are you the sense from nurfed
shut summit
yes
jolly wasp
thanks for all the boss vids, helpful as always
proper pecan
though so, thanks
shut summit
👍
chrome falcon
you can spell reflect the piercing gaze or whatever from the adds in the intermission too
which is weird because it does physical damage but
shy coral
im levelling prot for the first time, is it normal to be this useless at low level? I doubt I could even do a dungeon all I have is shield block and 0 rage generation
mighty valley
what level are you? you're a functional tank at like...12
it's not super fun early but thunder clap + tabbing to shield slam should get the job done
shy coral
13
mighty valley
Healers are kinda busted at that level usually so you can spend all your rage on revenge for threat & damage
since you just got revenge
sick sentinel
im levelling prot for the first time, is it normal to be this useless at low lev...
do many charges and intervenes, as many as you can
mighty valley
you don't get intervene til 43 but sure, charge is good
you'll get the war machine talent soon for rage gen
tardy osprey
I leveled a new Prot War from 1 during Shadowlands, and I only used Revenge as Rage dump 95% of the time until like level 45ish
sick sentinel
and tons of shield slam (preferably but not required for more dmg with Shield Block buff active) and thunderclap
tardy osprey
with heirloom gear you don't really need shield block or IP while leveling
sick sentinel
it sure helps
cinder nova
Well, I think the unblockable shit in this tier is intentional
Because they just did a balance pass to increase the Obliterate damage vulnerability on H/M as well as closed the M KT cheese
mellow bridge
I'm honestly not 100% sure what the obliterate fix means
is it just so that one tank cant soak both?
cinder nova
It means we can't solo it after the first hit
It'll do enough massive damage than it'll probably split through cheat deaths
Pretty sure all of them have a stop gap of "massive damage will keep this from activating"
sick sentinel
sounds dumb, but you had your shield equipped not disarmed some how and facing the boss and attack facing your face?
you have to be face to face for a block to go off
trim bay
yea
sick sentinel
or they just removed any chance to block
distant crystal
blocking in the back is illegal iirc
sick sentinel
you also lose out on base parry % mitigation (front thing again, need to have your weapon equipped, and you get diminishing returns on them after 3)
if you allow your back to enemy, also missing out on anything parry can proc, pretty sure it procs free revenges
trim bay
if you have ur back towards the enemy you will die
even if you leap over adds
they can hit you mid leap
just dont have ur back towards the boss
turbid cargo
they can hit you mid leap
been plastered by this more than a few times
trim bay
bloody oath lol
sick sentinel
only time you ever turn back to enemies is if you are not even remotely close to melee range running around corner for LOS pull, or you are intentionally about to cause a wipe
trim bay
only time you ever turn back to enemies is if you are not even remotely close to...
yea thats fine if ur moving adds and out of melee no issues. casters can obviously still hit you though
if you want to wipe on purpose when you turn your back towards the boss you simply wont take any damage.
no idea how that works
mighty valley
they were talking about the eye of the jailer fight, where the boss does not do melee attacks but instead casts unblockable spells
sick sentinel
maybe warrior has to use am + tw on that fight
strong forum
It's 100% an AM + Wall fight
mellow bridge
Echo 1% wipe 
tranquil leaf
what are our bis trinkets?
chrome falcon
for raiding probably scale and... matrix?
and for m+ aegis and... i dunno... uh... matrix?
urban portal
are the tank t27 sims just assuming you are not casting a single defensive and just go all out pumping?
urban portal
just the t27 sim on simulationcraft
sweet summit
link 😠
urban portal
I'm pooping
sweet summit
they are maximising damage, but still occasionally using active mitigation
kinda depends on what spec youre looking at it seems
venthyr guardian is degenerate shit
the others seem fairly balanced
woven bear
I'm running 231 ilvl right now and two def trinkets (scale and aegis) and sometimes I'm really getting destroyed in 15+ keys, even if I have cds up. Second group on DoS +15 for example (if you go right). I'm trying to have 100% shield block with reprisal but it doesnt feel very tankyin those keys. Do you have some tips or so?
sweet summit
that pack just FUCKED
woven bear
How's it expected in 15+?
sweet summit
like
that pack
with inspiring fortified
casts just going off
you cant be expected to not take huge damage there
woven bear
yeah but I die in like 3 to 5 seconds or so
sweet summit
do you have logs?
since most dps players pop CDs and shit on the first pull, with lust, i try to save as many cooldowns as possible for the second pull
ideally i have both scale and shield wall for that pull
woven bear
I use some cds for the first pull, so I'm screwed in the 2nd one
I don't have logs from dos
sweet summit
charge in with ravager and avatar, shield wall early, scale once SW is over. and after that just hope the inspiring mob is dead and kite
mighty valley
this week, you gotta gotta gotta save SW for the second pack, you can survive the first pack without it
woven bear
yeah maybe the week ist just shitty. last week was okay
mighty valley
then you build threat under SW + trinket or whatever you've got left, SR the first shadowcore, and if the inspiring isn't dead by the time your CDs are coming back, fuckin dip
never underestimate how much the bone boys will burst you when you reengage
woven bear
Can you spellreflect useful stuff there?
mighty valley
shadowcore is the killer cast
alternatively make friends with a frost DK and they can mind control the inspiring
woven bear
Do you know good warri vods for those keys with like 230 ilvl?
woven bear
https://www.twitch.tv/plkatv/v/1091203418?sr=a&t=252s how can he take this, he doesn't even have shield wall.
river escarp
How do you avoid the bleed from the gargoyle in SD? if I leap away or intervene, he just recasts or casts on a nearby ally.
river escarp
Lol. And I thought this was a good change that it doesn't cleave anymore
gloomy cradle
Just have to eat it now unfortunately
amber herald
How do you avoid the bleed from the gargoyle in SD? if I leap away or intervene,...
he has scale and he's using AA which will stop a lot of casts
shut summit
leap away, melee problem now 
amber herald
and his team is coordinating interrupts
woven bear
@amber herald AA?
amber herald
you could do that pull as kyrian but it's mainly his team is coordinating interrupts and stuns
I'm just saying it helps
woven bear
Ok
amber herald
oh I just realised it's a 17 as well that's a low key for those guys
mighty valley
plka's up to all 20s
some of it is you but a lot of it is also your group contributing
knowledge > ilvl in keys
i'm glad you linked this stream because I had no idea intervene could catch the ventunax bleed lmao
new tech acquired
sullen trellis
hey are warrior tanks any good for Mythics keys ? ? might wanna give it a try
mighty valley
Yes
sullen trellis
thanks
mighty valley
All the tanks are pretty good rn
sullen trellis
alright
patent osprey
my team coordinating kicks ... dps don't kick unless u yell at them :(
mighty valley
that's one of the most impressive things watching you play tbh, just being on top of everything to direct every kick
and every not kick
me: "don't kick aetherdivers"
all aetherdivers: kicked
chrome falcon
“You guys never need to kick mobs that cast on me on pull”
Immediate solar beam on obliterators
The worst thing is when they take the interrupt power and kick on the third boss in halls like these nerds really think they do 28k damage with their 10% buff
mighty valley
There are plenty of kicks to go around on that boss, everyone can have their turn
chrome falcon
Yuh
God I want Emeni’s last trait so bad lemme just leap into packs and immediately fleshcraft
fringe marten
Ok what..? I just ran a 16 with Mikanikos (first time I tried him) WHY is the uptime on Soulglow Spectrometer SO LOW??
chrome falcon
Isn’t Mik just dogshit pre-57)
fringe marten
well..? after using spectromer once it seems to be? WTF
shy coral
At later levels do you end up with enough rage to keep shield block and ignore pain up? Right now I can barely generate enough to use one of them
fringe marten
(my overall was barely any less than normal so..it wasn't much different at the end of dungeon)
sweet summit
At later levels do you end up with enough rage to keep shield block and ignore p...
If youre leveling, its dogshit
So dont overthink it
Once youre 60 and get a bit of gear and a legendary, its a new world
mighty valley
if you're worried about whether or not it gets more fun, yes, you have a tonnnnnnn more rage later on
shy coral
No I'm trying to learn how to play before 60 because I've never played tank and can only learn new specs by levelling them
mighty valley
if you get used to only using IP to avoid overcapping on rage, that's a good place to be
don't worry about keeping it up, shield block is the important buff
shy coral
How do you keep shield block up when it's a longer cooldown than it actually lasts?
mighty valley
you can't keep it up 100% yet
shy coral
Can you later?
mighty valley
with the reprisal legendary, close to it yep
sweet summit
Not really
But yea
Close
Shield Block is designed and tuned around not having 100% uptime
mighty valley
part of playing the class is making sure you have the rage & charges to have shield block up when it really matters
so it can fall off when you're not the active tank in a raid, or at the tail end of packs in m+
shy coral
So in m+ are you constantly leaping away and charging back in for that legendary?
mighty valley
You can, you often don't need to actually leap
chrome falcon
Yeah you can just like
mighty valley
a lot of natural opportunities to charge come up
chrome falcon
Stun and backpedal a bit
mighty valley
and also you can intervene
it's fun to learn how to maximize it, and also totally unnecessary in lower keys, you get a lot out of it even just by charging on pull
clever sable
best stats are crit haste right ?
chrome falcon
Not that first one
Haste is pretty good, crit is just for dps basically
Crit just gives parry (bring back ultimatum) so it’s only a defensive benefit in a very vague way
mighty valley
Best stat is ilvl, then roughly haste>vers>whatever
chrome falcon
So…
Anyone want to guess how the fuck we survive soaking all those puddles on mythic sylvanas
When it brings brewmaster from 100 to 20 in one tick
mighty valley
More gear than week 2 might help lol
cloud dagger
dont forget they are way undergeared
fringe marten
Can anyone link an empowered jaethys from heroic (or even normal) kt?
sick sentinel
The guides say to run AM or Bolster but I see a lot of warriors on io running heavy repercussions what is the reasoning behind that?
mighty valley
high defense for absolute monster keys, and also easy to play so you can focus on shotcalling etc
at least that's the rationale I've heard
sullen quartz
what you guys think, scale + phial both 220 or scale 220 + iqd 236? for m+
mighty valley
sim it, then take a few points off IQD lol
chrome falcon
HR is for when literally one melee without SB a kills you
fringe marten
How does Soulglow Spectometer work? By the wording it should basically be up constantly in M+ right? How come it's overall uptime for dungeon is so low?
misty ivy
yo im trying to make a decision between prot warrior and blood dk, ill probs only do like, +10s max and maybe try to clear heroic raids at some point
grand drum
Depends what playstyle you prefer, and if you want to offspec often
misty ivy
idk i figure if i'm pugging then self-reliance is gonna be better, but prot feels a little more smoother to play? idk
low timber
those packs with shadowcore dudes in DoS, how do I not get so ripped up by them? on a 15 I had to just go around the first pack and come back to it later with the mirror power and made sure to have cds for it.
chrome falcon
Make your dps nuke inspired then start kicking
Try to time reflect to hit shadow core, not scribe
tired cove
Adaptive armor fragment or show of force ?
obsidian girder
Morning. I switched to kyrian for arms. Will have to tank sylvanas tomorrow. Any advice which soulbind I should use for raiding ?
tropic linden
The cardboard assassin is still usable? Or total garbage?
lament zealot
Any other necrolords out there running Glory?
I can almost make the buff last a minute
ionic fern
Any other necrolords out there running Glory?
More than likely yes.
And yes, we know you can make it last 40-50+s. 👍
fickle coyote
What ilvl do you guys suggest for 14's/15's? At 222 now and have been flying through 10-13's no problem. Just tried to do a +14 DOS and on the 2nd pack I basically instantly died after charging in. Reprisal lego + demo shout first thing I got in, popped spell reflect and ignore pain and I still just got absolutely deleted
When I died I had shield block active, demo shout active on the entire pack, and 1 stack of ignore pain, shield wall was still on CD 😦 Not sure if I just really fucked up or need more gear or what
ionic fern
222 should easily be able to do 14s/15s.
DoS is just a dungeon that requires your DPS'ers to know what a kick is and not blow all their CD's together
Unfortunately in a pug environment they do not know what a kick is and they always use all their CD's together.
🙂
fickle coyote
Yeah, will try the 13 a bit later. Do you guys have any suggestions for dealing with the inspired mobs in those first 2 pulls? CC -> pull group away or just yell at the DPS to blast that down ASAP?
high folio
would yall say this is okay for a MoTS 15 @ a 232 ilvl?
im sure it could be higher, still trying to figure out how to squeeze bigger damage out of prot
ionic fern
Yeah, will try the 13 a bit later. Do you guys have any suggestions for dealing ...
Just CC, it's safer.
ionic fern
would yall say this is okay for a MoTS 15 @ a 232 ilvl?
Yes.
high folio
awesome, thanks dood
cinder nova
Yo when the fuck did arc start absolutely SLAPPING
I pugged a 16 SD and this guy just fucking vaporized everything
cinder nova
Log on to my warrior to line up my r6 leggo mats > send greens to my enchanter to DE for the soul dust > open menu > accidentally exit game
REEEE
fml
Oh nice and I immediately logged into my warrior out of reflex
How do I get more INT
cinder nova
Yeah, because I'm an idiot
high folio
oh lmao
smooth brain jokes
got it
does armor fragment beat out show of force an an equal ilvl?
cinder nova
Sim it
high folio
i figured
wide pilot
How you gonna sim that lol
ionic fern
does armor fragment beat out show of force an an equal ilvl?
If you can keep it up for its maximum duration then yes.
Last i checked it was like a 0.5-1% difference between them so really negligible.
ionic fern
Yes. 🙂
cinder nova
How you gonna sim that lol
You sim the difference between SoF and Fragment during ST, Cleave, Helter-Skelter, and Dungeon Slice to see where each is going to be more competitive?
That's how.
If you wanted a more "balanced" option then fragment is going to provide both offense and defense during proc.
But the defensive value is probably incidental at best and largely negligible.
cinder nova
Yeah, but "surviving gooder" is arguably less valuable than squeezing out more DPS
How much of a DPS bump is Bonded Hearts going to be?
The 50% mastery buff for 5s seems like it could be a shitload of AP
mighty valley
I didn't think I would but I ended up with 10 15s in vault
What am I getting, gang
cinder nova
Chaos parses less than blood anyway
...
Did the pins get cleared?
Nevermind my connection is dosghit
mighty valley
Discord just hiccuped
final pewter
I started playing again after a long break in March this year. Always played healer before but our group needed a tank so I've been tanking (which I'm loving) but playing as a Pally. Its really easy to hold aggro with divine toll and avengers shield tagging loads of mobs at once. Seeing Prot Warriors rated so highly i thought i would give one a try
I'm really struggling to hold aggro with it - any tips
final pewter
I was doing that and someone told me i need to dump all my rage into ignore pain
ionic fern
That someone is dumb. 🙂
ionic fern
Keep Shield Block up as it's our main mitigation.
Use IP for:
-Pure magic damage (this is extremely rarely)
-Bleeds/Dot's etc
-Big boss hits (IF NEEDED)
Otherwise just use it as a rage dump to avoid capping.
Majority of your rage should be going into Revenges after you've ensured to keep SB up.
final pewter
Cheers - thats how i was playing it before.
ionic fern
👍
tame jasper
@ionic fern What amulett would you suggest? the Tazavesh with lesser haste but mastery and the progg or stay at the higher haste as haste > all other secondaries?
ionic fern
<@!238357283996696576> What amulett would you suggest? the Tazavesh with lesser...
Sim it would be my answer. 🙂
solemn aspen
Hey, is there some kind of ressources about the art of pulling ? I feel like I have hard time getting everything (with crackling thunder) or not taking hit in the back etc... The dps doesnt wait most of the time. I see on some vids some clever use of ravager and whatnot, but I'm wondering if there is anything that can teach me better maybe ?
ionic fern
Not really, no..just experience.
-Throw Ravager
-Charge+Avatar (with Reprisal this also grants you SB)
-SB(if no Reprisal)
-Revenge
That's as easy as it gets.
solemn aspen
yeah i get that keep in mind that i have still some "grey" dungeon that i still didnt do, so i dont know basic stuff like which mob is a caster etc...
orchid slate
make sure to charge the caster in the pack. the melee mobs will just automatically come to you if you have ravager up
if there are two caster mobs, interrupt the first and charge to the second
solemn aspen
well I did that but i got hit in the back
ionic fern
make sure to charge the caster in the pack. the melee mobs will just automatical...
That shouldn't matter as it should be happening fast enough that the enemies are still grouped.
If you get smacked in the back then just backpeddal a bit.
Enemies will re-position themselves accordingly.
woven bear
https://www.twitch.tv/plkatv/v/1091203418?sr=a&t=689s do you know which addon or weak aura is used for spell reflect in the middle of the screen?
primal cape
someones playing with Korayn NF? can tell how it feels?
placid tangle
Question for necrolords: Is marileth viable? How (and how much) is it worse than emeni/heirmir?
I see recommendations on guides etc. but there's not much depth to why one is better than the other (especially thinking it's not just about dps, which would be much more straightforward)
mossy peak
what do you mean, a soulbind change
i'm not suggesting you use korayn as your sole soulbind for like, raid boss tanking
if that's what you're asking
it's clearly a m+ damage choice
austere wedge
I see, ok. Thanks
mossy peak
fortunately even if you share it with another spec, you can always have destructive reverb in there
so you're just swapping one potency
orchid frigate
since ppl dont wanna do the small blobs on 1st boss in PF how do you deal with the kiting? going directly towards exit or try to move around on the area in front of boss?
hollow sun
You honestly can't do that much about it. You can kite the boss towards the plagueborers or you can kite it in circle. It really depends on your Dps and comp though
But it's mostly a Dps issue, of the boss is over 50% I usually tell to people to kill the small ones
wide pilot
Hey @strong forum this past week I swapped from using BSC and AM for BV and Bolster.
I’ve noticed I feel way more tanky and seem to enjoy the talents more because of that.
I say all that I guess to ask what in particular is is making me feel more tanky?
Also if I continue to use BV and Bolster instead of BSC and AM how much am I crippling myself as I’m able to do 15s currently
orchid frigate
thanks @hollow sun
bright flax
@wide pilot think depending on how safe you feel you could change Bolster to AM, get bigger burst damage for a small change and go from there
wide pilot
<@!219581383956234240> think depending on how safe you feel you could change Bo...
I like that word safe! Prob better to use than tanky
hollow sun
Bolster won't affect your ability to do 15s at all
I actually felt tankier with it as well, but it's mostly a feeling though
wide pilot
You think you feel safer because you get such a big SB timer off the bat it’s just easier?
bright flax
M+ is also a lot about who you do it with. If you get a very sloppy group you will "feel" less tanky because of longer pulls, lack of cds when needed, etc. With another group you might feel you didn't even had to use cds because interrupts were on point, damage was high and mobs died fast, etc
hollow sun
If start using shield wall often it will have a bigger benefit than bolster. Facts Vs feelings, but for 15s everything is perfectly fine (I ain't a SF though, just a normal warrior:Do)
I think you also feel safer cause you feel like you can spend your rage for whatever since you get a very long block
bright flax
the more offensive you can be usually the better. Feeling is very relative but your gameplay is the one thing you can improve
wide pilot
I have def wished I had SW in dungeons like DoS or PF more often
Now when I double pull I throw out ravaged charge while hitting avatar then I last stand which gives me SB on top of the charge and extra rage generation on top of ravagers rage generation.
Doing this let’s me spam revenge non stop and IP as needed without spending any rage on SB. When I do that I can hit 14-16k on a double pull. Not sure if that’s decent or not though
strong forum
I mean it factually does make you tankier
Playing BV + bolster is 100% a tankier talent choice, but it's kinda overkill as you get shit loads of rage from reprisal aswell as block uptime
It's not optimal to play those in terms of opportunity cost
Not terrible choices, just not optimal
short kiln
You're assuming that the individual in question is utilizing reprisal correctly there though
short kiln
I have to imagine that the need for more tankiness is coming from improper reprisal use in general
Or a desire to sit and face tank only
strong forum
You're better of playing wall in keys if you don't charge/intervene weave
short kiln
That exactly
And that's not a wrong play per se if that's how you are playing the class, but it's going to cost you some damage is all
tropic linden
What are u guys usinig on belts now that cardboard is useless?
lofty widget
invis
sweet summit
no
mystic yoke
does anyone have any tips on keeping aggro in M+. Normally i take a hunter or a rogue and 8/10 that solves the issue (unless they don't know about redirect... which happens). anyway i wont to be able to confidently keep aggro and find the my ST taunt isn't enough... especially seem to have issues playing with DHs
chrome falcon
Throw ravager before you charge in too
jagged pier
Thats not how u use revenge anymore its our dps rage spender
chrome falcon
Since it doesn’t do damage for a second or so if you charge in then cast ravager you’re screwed
jagged pier
If u funnel all your rage into IP stop u dont need to do that
haughty sleet
M eye is kinda miserable for Prot
tropic linden
wowhead sometimes have little to none information, what's the fail rate for the invis belt?
ornate flicker
So if everyone cancel auras rally, is it true you get “healed” for the rally and don’t lose it if you let rally time out itself?
solemn aspen
you "lose" the hp only if its > your max hp when rallying no ?
sweet summit
you lose the bonus hp when it expires yes
it does not work like last stand, where you stay at the same hp % when it expires
sweet summit
which keys i can tank
idk, at least 15s, but you will struggle with aggro lol
sweet summit
item restoration?
devout heron
sold it
sweet summit
yea
devout heron
to vendor
sweet summit
item restoration
sweet summit
devout heron
<https://eu.battle.net/support/en/restoration>
thank you so much
didnt know its possible
sweet summit
its quite handy
sweet summit
210s might be a bit high
devout heron
with 228 ilvl
sweet summit
ah you didnt get the joke nvm
devout heron
210s might be a bit high
hahahaha
sweet summit
you can easily tank 15 and higher
the "cap" depends on how well you play, not your gear
devout heron
need to push higher you know sky is the limit
blazing condor
vocal nimbus
2k points is the limit push no more and be a lazy fucktard
devout heron
210 plaguefall lf 995 bis legion
plush tendon
Lol, everyone knows that the highest key you could possibly do is whatever your % vers is equal to
duh
young sapphire
how do you guys get good shields, im still stuck with my 197 and ive run theater, mists and necrotic so many times im starting to have ptsd
plush tendon
how do you guys get good shields, im still stuck with my 197 and ive run theater...
raid, shield off first boss. Persistence. PVP.
sweet summit
Lol, everyone knows that the highest key you could possibly do is whatever your ...
cant even do a weekly key
plush tendon
cant even do a weekly key <:sadge:820202363359854633>
yea, you are hardstuck at 10s
obviously
cinder pasture
Wait..The raid drops loot ? News to me
sweet summit
unlucky
strong forum
yea, you are hardstuck at 10s
That's why I don't get invited above 3s
devout heron
how do you guys get good shields, im still stuck with my 197 and ive run theater...
tarrq drops haste versa shield
plush tendon
Wait..The raid drops loot ? News to me
Well, in his case, the first boss is very straight forward and is a perfect candidate for a very good chance at a very good shield each week
devout heron
i have %5 versa
plush tendon
A lot of people dont raid and I respect that, but still that shield EZ AF to get
devout heron
it was higher before higher ilvl
sweet summit
that's fine
cinder pasture
A lot of people dont raid and I respect that, but still that shield EZ AF to get
I raid, and I have yet to see loot from the raid(Excluding a frost and unholy shard )
plush tendon
oh yea, shit dont drop in raid
young sapphire
i got the trinket from garrosh first time lmao#
sweet summit
crude tartan
What is the PPM on the Soulrender trinket?
(roughly of course, cos crit and rng blah blah)
sweet summit
sweet summit
not really
plush tendon
Aight, back to Phial and BSS
young sapphire
i looted it and everyone in voice got mad kekw
sweet summit
the heroic version is worse than the sack from hardmode taz
that sack is CRACKED tho
young sapphire
tazavesh is a pain in the ass
the post man i only killed because we cheesed him
because hes bugged af
sweet summit
ya just lust and zugzug
young sapphire
that soazmi fight was quite fun tho
everyone naturally hates it because you have to use your brain
sweet summit
is that the teleport guy
young sapphire
ye
sweet summit
its cool
plush tendon
we like the teleport guy
sweet summit
a bit annoying, but cool
plush tendon
the reaction from our healer when we died on him 'you know what, that wipe was fair'
No one says that
young sapphire
when i went through the port to boralus after hylbrande i had a minor stroke
vietnam flashbacks to bfa
young sapphire
one thing that infuriates me is that us as tanks have to do a good research on the bosses to know what to do etc
and dps just kinda turn up most of the time
then die to sophex when they dont realise they have to run from interrogation
sweet summit
sometimes i like turning up blind to new shit, and learning as i do something
doesn't apply to raids tho, hate being clueless in raids
jagged pier
I aint the raid leader
sweet summit
neither am i
jagged pier
Not my problem i taunt at x stacks
strong forum
tazavesh is a pain in the ass
Only kill 2 bosses
Done
Just kill first boss and post boss
sweet summit
isnt the tank trinket TP boss pretty solid?
blazing condor
Me and my cotanks raiding experience is just ”what we do here?” ”Idk we’ll see”
Then we perform flawlessly cus tanking is easy
plush tendon
neither am i
how i miss those days 😦
young sapphire
all the other tanks like 'i wield dark magic/turn into a bear/worship the light' and were like I AM SO FUCKING MAD THAT I FEEL NO PAIN
chad spec
young sapphire
we ignore 50% of it
tardy osprey
the other 50% just lets us know we are alive
young sapphire
makes us more mad
median tulip
What's the affix set this week?
tardy osprey
we haven't seen Necrotic in a few weeks..
median tulip
Oh I thought US had had theirs
tardy osprey
reset in 5 min
mellow bridge
should be soonish
ebon geyser
7/10 normal last nite and all I got was shitty conduits
I run my pala and he gets gloves shield and chest
young sapphire
i would rather autocastrate than tank that
blazing condor
How does necrotic fuck you by stuff dying? 
strong forum
Cuz if a few mobs die, you take dmg even when not tanking but you can't get healed unless everything is dead
:)
prisma bear
the first one was reverted because they thought it over nerfed necrotic omegalul
i never heard about them going back and fixing it
first one being where mobs apply necrotic every other hit, like bosses
lavish oracle
To be fair, I was basically ignoring necrotic end of last season
And if it ever got to be a problem, that's what phial is for
mellow bridge
idk
heavily depends on the dungeon and keylvl
a highish tyrannical ToP with necro is not very pleasant on the first boss
while in e.g. mists
it barely matters
lavish oracle
I always just told my DPS to blast her
prisma bear
dos is really annoying with necrotic too
lavish oracle
Wake felt like the irritating one to me
prisma bear
oh god yeah those little jumping fuckers
lavish oracle
Hard to reset with mobs jumping on top of you
Had to start baiting the jump and then leaping out
sweet summit
Prot is probably easier but it will take a while if they dont help
devout heron
Prot is probably easier but it will take a while if they dont help
fresh 60 low gear
plush tendon
Prot pretty swagger in Torggie
fallow dock
Hi all i am new here i just get lvl60 warrior protection i am a bit lost with with covenant to choice witch is the best for mythic + and witch for Raid help please 😄
plush tendon
In general Kyrian>=NF>Necro>Venthyr
But in the end, pick what you like
Personal reco is NF; I like AA, and its good for DPS offspec
mossy aurora
Hi all i am new here i just get lvl60 warrior protection i am a bit lost with w...
The only thing I'll say is that Venthyr is rough to tank with in M+. I tried to make it work for a while out of love for the cov but recently switched NF.
tranquil leaf
my 252 loot was trassh. atleast i got a 226 matrix. better than nothing
mossy aurora
I also like AA
plush tendon
The only thing I'll say is that Venthyr is rough to tank with in M+. I tried to ...
Venthyr is good in raid, lackluster in M+ unless you dont have a Venthyr in your group
then it picks up in priority
mossy aurora
If only the damage debuff was applied to the tank as an absorb instead
would probably be op to have constant blood shield tho
inland raft
Necrotic week, why does blizz like putting cancer affixes back to back instead of spread out?
inland raft
Not really only on bosses where didnt matter anyways
untold salmon
what are thoughts on shard of annhyldes aegis? got shitty 252's but a 239 one of that trinket to choose from
lofty widget
mobs that you cant stun will apply necrotic every other hit
strong forum
what are thoughts on shard of annhyldes aegis? got shitty 252's but a 239 one of...
The best trinket for m+
dusky elk
Blizz really gave me solid 252 options and then
- My BiS chest from raid with domination bonus
- Shard of Aegis
Both at 226 -.-
strong forum
F
strong forum
Take the 252s
chrome falcon
Odds are good that you’ll get aegis by killing the boss on normal or HC
strong forum
You don't have easy access to those
chrome falcon
That 252 might be with you the whole patch
strong forum
Raid stuff you have more chances at
dusky elk
I may have been liberal with the word solid lol
tranquil leaf
shiet
tranquil leaf
ew
jagged pier
I may have been liberal with the word solid lol
Literally best neck in game
tranquil leaf
nbah
cinder pasture
Shit ton of haste though
jagged pier
Its the best neck in game
tranquil leaf
tazavesh has best neck
dusky elk
Ive got the 226 tazavesh rn
jagged pier
That neck gets beaten by hc lvl necks
tranquil leaf
jagged pier
Sintouched is 1 of 2 high lvl haste necks
Ok sintouched has more haste
Sintouched is better
untold salmon
24 stam too
tranquil leaf
sin was best in game
jagged pier
It is
chrome falcon
Yeah because it goes to 252
jagged pier
U cant get that neck at 252
chrome falcon
That neck goes to 233
sly anchor
should you gem and enchant haste over vers ?
sly anchor
what is the max haste you should aim for
chrome falcon
?