Just wait..they are already at TBC Classic.
#protection
ionic fern
fringe marten
LOL~
just give it time; it'll get to Legion.
Dude...to have skyhold again, double leggo, Bareback Brawl..
lavish oracle
I have a feeling we'd have to live our Legion classic dreams out on private servers
imagine Legion with the legendary vendor from the start though ๐ฎ
ionic fern
Best time to start playing WoW is the last ~2 patches before expansion ends.
By that time they have flushed out most of the horrible timegating/stuff.
fringe marten
Dude nothing beat the time I was doing bareback brawl, didn't see anyone around..some guy was hiding in a bush, shrunk..on a goat to knock people off the ledge. He got me..but I leap back on and proceeded to fight, and follow him across that entire continent on gliders/etc eventually he thought he got away but I was on a glider way above him. He dropped on a cliffside and tried to hearth and I heroic leaped down on him and finished him on the cliff.
ionic fern
I also enjoyed Legion dungeons a lot more even tho they had their own faults. ๐ฆ
fringe marten
I don't start pvp; I just turn on WM for the bonus/etc...but if you bang with me; you better kill me because I will NEVER stop coming after you if you try and interrupt my questing.
lavish oracle
I actually really liked BFA dungeons, even if the rest of the expansion was kinda fucked
Freehold is untouchable
best M+ dungeon of all time
fringe marten
...hmm
ionic fern
WC m+ when.
fringe marten
I don't; I do? but I like DUNGEON dungeons...we go into a place, to kill an evil dude..who happens to have stuff I want.
Open dungeons feel like I'm just in an outside zone with nasty mobs? But I did like Atal'dazar.
lavish oracle
Underrot is probably the best iteration of that for me, kinda linear but with a lot of room for variation in actual routing
Atal was also very good
ionic fern
I liked HoV. ๐ฆ
lavish oracle
Really liked the dungeons where you could play with boss order
yeah HoV was nice for that too
fringe marten
Yeah underrot was cool..a very good thematic descent, to a super corrupted titan chamber.
ionic fern
Jeh.
Talking of bosses..i hope someone finds a bug that allows us to kill Sylvanas in the raid.
fringe marten
You know what dungeon was also almost amazing..? King's Rest..except for ..ya' know...that one guy. The shadow of he who shall not be named.
lavish oracle
the 4 Vrykul at the end HoV were way better than the 3 angels at the end of spires
ionic fern
++
fringe marten
..what was the last boss of hov?
First boss was..? Skovald er? dude with the lightning dragons
lavish oracle
King's rest was kinda cool but I sorta wish it had a checkpoint after the 2nd boss
fringe marten
Then it was the wolf wing..
lavish oracle
First boss was heimdal
fringe marten
OH yeah
fringe marten
I liked the fenrir wing..oddly enough; the open world part of it~ lol
ionic fern
I liked how Odyn sent you to the balcony to be ashamed of your incompetence instead of killing you.
lavish oracle
haha, yeah, that was fun but also, no brez's on that fight
fringe marten
I also had a very high ilevel (for legion) trinket from M+ from fenrir..that hunt trinket with runspeed. Used it in torghast until they FKN NERFED it.
ionic fern
What was that underground dungeon? In the Highmountain place.
lavish oracle
Warrior class hall was hands down the best
fringe marten
^^^
lavish oracle
even though I ended up mostly playing bear that xpac
fringe marten
Never..ever EVER got sick of going down to do world quests or whatever; and doing the orbital drop. EVERY TIME I liked it.
lavish oracle
I liked it except when it randomly crashed my game
ionic fern
Neltharion's Lair!
I have fond memories of that one pulling literally everything and then having a warlock to perma slow with Corruption and just running around with half the dungeon after you.
fringe marten
Well yeah~ LOL. But yeah Every time I would hop into the ring in the middle "aww yeah..bout to fuck shit up!" It was so purely warrior class fantasy, it will likely remain unmatched for that.
forever
When we learned how to force mobs that 'throw/shoot' to follow...with sheer range~
Every time in dungeons when there's mobs that just shoot/throw/toss at random players "time to bust out the Legion Tech~"
mighty valley
I barely did Legion M+... somehow fell into an awful guild
Overall liked the dungeons tho
ionic fern
Legion was when i was most active in m+. ๐ฆ
mighty valley
I heard people got obsessed with speedrunning the boat one
ionic fern
https://streamable.com/q9bii
The memories. ๐ฆ
mighty valley
Look at these 7 digit numbers LMAO
jagged pier
i miss thoughs numbers
mighty valley
I didn't do return to kara as M+ but it was super fun day 1
fringe marten
It wasn't just that maw of souls was fun.
it was that you could get a SIIIICK angerboda at the end.
lavish oracle
I really enjoyed running Nightbane
fun speedrun challenge followed by a reasonably difficult boss
tired cove
https://streamable.com/q9bii
The memories. ๐ฆ
dirty monk >_< โค๏ธ
atomic schooner
anyone have threat issues with kyrian arcane mages?
ionic fern
Arcane mages exist?:o
jagged pier
they pumping
seen one burst on 30k on like 5 mobs
:Yep:
but nah no issues just press revengj
ionic fern
Are they the FOTM now?
jagged pier
๐คท
ionic fern
Man i'm out of loop.
I thought fire was fotm before not frost.
atomic schooner
arcane barrage 160k+touch of the magi 90k in a second and arcane mage is dead
carmine imp
SO what Legendary is the best to run so far FOR RAIDING not mythic+... i still run THE WALL..
ionic fern
The Wall is fine.
Reprisal is the better option but requires more effort and might not always be usable due to the movement it takes.
Natures Fury is a solid DPS option if the boss can be kept in it.
brazen path
Can you spell reflect Melt Soul from the fire mini boss in keys?
carmine imp
The Wall is fine.
Reprisal is the better option but requires more effort and mig...
Yeah i like the Wall hasn't let me down in Raids like when I'm playing with Reprisal
placid ingot
hi guys im new to tanking prot warrior, should i overlap shield block and ignore pain?
ionic fern
hi guys im new to tanking prot warrior, should i overlap shield block and ignore...
Yes, there's no harm doing it.
Be careful with IP usage tho as it's competing with Revenge for Rage.
placid ingot
im confused abour ip, should i recast it to stack?
ionic fern
Shield Block is your primary mitigation.
Ignore Pain is more of a "nice to have".
There are times where stacking IP is good - such as big "tank buster" hits from bosses but generally use it just as a rage dump.
placid ingot
got it
zealous spade
Hey guys! What is your go to addon or website for m+ key routes for 17+ or higher keys? Or do you create custom routes?
jagged pier
๐ง
ionic fern
Depends how lazy i am.
I think Raider.io has some routes although i never really liked them.
And iirc @patent osprey also created some routes and shared them somewhere.
solemn aspen
Im watching him, he is using HR all the time instead of AM ?
ionic fern
Okay?
What's the question? ๐
solemn aspen
if he does use HR all the time or it depends which key he is doing
ionic fern
Oh, i'm not sure. You would have to ask him for his personal reasoning.
What i can guess is:
1)Key level
2)Boomkins not being fotm so no more trees
3)Loss of Cardboard assassin
jagged pier
literally the 2 mins i tuned in the otherday he said he was doing it as its high keys so he can be in packs longers and he doesnt have to think as much so he can call inturpots and stuff easily and not need to think
i seem to always tune in to plka and lurk when he answers the same question everytime
solemn aspen
๐ thanks for the answer
chilly brook
Arcane mages exist?:o
Our arcane is a pumper
Dude slaps
130k crits its kinda nuts
ionic fern
o.o
Think i've only seen 1 arcane mage.
And he was horrible.
Or maybe they were horrible last season..idk.
chilly brook
It's a deceptively hard spec tbh
Everyone assumes it's just super easy
But it's super punishing
brittle silo
We got arcane in our group. He's pumpin' really nice. No problem to keep threat because of a little bit of ramp up , but deleting mob 50%-0% is always nice to see especially on weeks like this with super ispiring affix
mellow bridge
arcane def has some super nice priority dmg
sweet summit
arcane owns
ionic fern
Oh damn.
I forgot new M+ season started..i gotta get myself back on top แตแถ หขแตสณแตแตสณ สณแตโฟแตแถฆโฟแต
.
tame jasper
๐
tame jasper
Same here
lilac bloom
i got a conduit fueled by violence 239 but not sure if can use it on my tree at the moment my tree look like this
jagged pier
u dont use it
lilac bloom
any suggestion would help cos i'm not sure if can use that conduit as my stalwert guardian is only 213
well that sux..not sure what to do with it
i guess nothing
ionic fern
^
jagged pier
same with brutal vitality
lilac bloom
oh that sux why they even have it
ionic fern
Fueled by Violence/Brutal Vitality used to be "ok" 3rd Endurance Conduits after Unnerving and Stalwart since we had literally nothing else.
Now they got thrown under the bus due to Anima Sphere taking their place.
ionic fern
Jep.
jagged pier
could have just no and given us tier sets back
lilac bloom
they should either improveit or get rid of it
orchid frigate
a system on top of the system
ionic fern
You can see that they really put no effort in the system by just checking what the conduits do. ๐
orchid frigate
systemception
lilac bloom
ya oh wells thx for advance i was going to replace stelwart with that
good thing i spoke to you guys first
jagged pier
u dont replace that or unvering ever expect for cov one (unless your venthyr) they are our best conduits
ionic fern
The only Conduits you care about are..
Potency:
Piercing Verdict / Destructive Reverberation / Veterans Repute
Adaptive Armor Fragment
Show of Force
Endurance:
Stalwart Guardian
Unnerving Focus
Condensed Anima Sphere
Finesse:
Inspiring Presence
Safeguard
The rest might as well be deleted from the game. ๐
lilac bloom
good thing i know.. i have condensed anima but its only 200
orchid frigate
tho you have to give them credit for being brave and trying to invite new stuff
orchid frigate
too bad it doesnt work out ๐ฆ
ionic fern
too bad it doesnt work out ๐ฆ
They have been trying to do it since forever.
And it very rarely worksout.
orchid frigate
yupp
jagged pier
worse re-branded artifacts
ionic fern
Base classes are such a mess that they need these "borrowed" power systems..+ it's a good way to timegate stuff.
orchid frigate
ugh
ionic fern
orchid frigate
ah well, might as well prepare for next system coming in next expansion ๐
jagged pier
we will get somthing else next patch
orchid frigate
what a tangled web they weave
ionic fern
Just let me kill Sylvanas properly and i'll forgive them for some crap.
jagged pier
BUT SHES MY QUEEEEEEN
ionic fern
Oh hey,look i can ban SF.
jagged pier
๐
ionic fern
sweet summit
๐
sick sentinel
I dont even run umnerving focus
I do anima with ip conduit and guardian
Is that wrong
sick sentinel
Hmm
Can I still play anger management on do I go with bolster
When I have unnerving
jagged pier
u still use AM
orchid frigate
should i save Xav for last in ToP even if its not tyr?
sick sentinel
u still use AM
how do we use Last stand with that conduit
for what purpose i mean
just as a heal when i drop or
pre emptively
Last stand doesnt seem to have an obvious use to me
besides the big heal
jagged pier
u should always be useing LS and SW premetivly
jagged pier
big hits
big pulls
LS with that conduit is also a DPS cd
so execute phase
big pulls for pump
like SW it should be used on cd as much as possible
deft vessel
some messages above mention "HR"?
jagged pier
yes
deft vessel
I'm blanking on what HR means
jagged pier
heavy repercussions talent
deft vessel
ah, I see
k
am I the only sucker in the world still running bolster for higher keys? XD the messages above compared heavy repercussions to AM, in my view they fill two entirely different niches
jagged pier
HR is better than bolster if u run rep
deft vessel
though I also don't have a good grasp on how different shield block uptime is between bolster/HR
oh, can you elaborate why? shield block is shield block, do they overwrite weirdly that I'm unaware of?
i thought reprisal just adds to shield block, whatever the source of it is
jagged pier
basically HR can fill the gaps for u that reprisal leaves all the time
were bolster only gives u shield block ever 2 mins
HR gives u extra all the time
and in combernation with reprisal u can have SB up for every pull all the time pretty much
bolster doesnt let u do that due to the cd of LS
u stuck with it on cd
and for all thoughs 2 mins HR is giving u block in that time
deft vessel
hm, fair point, I should try I suppose
I do run reprisal in m+, though I largely run bolster (and unnerving focus)
sick sentinel
I tank 18s and 19s and I feel really good having Wall on most pulls
it makes it line up with things like Sac and Skin
and i have an agreement with my healer to follow it up
so we have a good chain of mitigation
deft vessel
any particular levels you'd recommend you swap from offensive (AM) to defensive (HR/Bolster)?
or is it a matter of "HR is just good consistently always good, run it"
sick sentinel
Is AM considered offensive
jagged pier
21/22s and up
and even then its run because dont need to think and u can keep mobs still for plume etc as plka said
u can still run AM in thoughs keys u just need to play better
sick sentinel
I cant wait to try this new annhylde aegis
we're killing the nine tonight so if i get mythic
deft vessel
which difficulty you get it from is not super relevant imo
the damage is pretty ...eh regardless
jagged pier
yes
sick sentinel
by like 1300
sick sentinel
Those kind of Flat reductions vibe super well with shield block
flat ontop of % is crazy
deft vessel
it's essentially invulnerability even at normal
it's kind of weird
I can't imagine it will stay this way
(exaggerating a bit, but still)
sick sentinel
nah tank stuff doesnt get touched up like that
deft vessel
we'll see I suppose
I have it from normal as well, and it's...not terribly exciting, but it's incredibly tanky
I like scale better, generally, but this one just blocks more damage
sick sentinel
i mean its up to you to make it exciting
if you pull adds ontop of ToP bosses
thats exciting
i feel like it would pump there
deft vessel
I mean, sure, but it's about as exciting as an invulnerability button
i.e. not much
๐
deft vessel
don't get me wrong, it's nice and all, and I'll probably use it, but good != exciting, though to be fair, there aren't really any "Exciting" trinkets for us prot warriors
yes
can't really run two on-use
not practical imo
so pick your favourite use trinket and your favourite other trinket and go ham with it
sick sentinel
I dont see why not
just gotta wait 20s
if you want to be a big beefcake
surely thats the option
deft vessel
well, sure, if you want to do that, ofc, but it's just impractical from a usability perspective, it's just clunky and weird and not terribly helpful
yeah
sick sentinel
Well im new to tanking so
deft vessel
or warrior's soul if you want
jagged pier
same reasons
deft vessel
there's also diminishing returns on tankiness, you don't need that much tankiness, at some point you just have "enough" for your content
jagged pier
also along the lines of u only ever really need 1 as u will have it up on most pulls anyway
look scale and ageis both have a 1:30 min cd
using one will put the other on a 20sec cd
so u can use scale at the end of a pull when its not needed
but by the time u finish a pull and get to the next your defenses should be back ish
same with aegis
so u will just cycle through them again
sick sentinel
I have to test it both ways but
i'll consider it
also, defensive matrix was mention
jagged pier
its not worth it u never need to be that tanky
deft vessel
there's a singular truth that's always valid - dead things don't do damage, so don't go that knee deep into tankiness
mossy peak
your first goal is to not die or needlessly tax your healers, but once you've achieved that mark, there is no benefit to any further tankiness
it does nothing for your raid or party at all
so you want to be looking at doing something else
proud carbon
look scale and ageis both have a 1:30 min cd
scale is 2 min
mossy peak
for warrior we can't exactly heal or pop out and convoke
jagged pier
well there u go ever worse
mossy peak
so we do damage
ionic fern
You can achieve your tankiness by just playing the class correctly. ๐
jagged pier
^^
mossy peak
even in ultra brutal high keys you're kind of just
getting in, establishing threat, and getting the heck outta there
there's still just the basic survival check of "did i die while establishing threat"
and then you're covered
ionic fern
The hardest thing in high keys is probably remembering to shot call everything. ๐
proud carbon
ngl running hoa last night with dps that can't interrupt bolts... not fun
jagged pier
i mean im on the same page as u tbf
sick sentinel
Fax
flat pewter
what's most balanced covenant for Prot/Arms given I need to do content on multiple specs (raid+2s/3s with arms and keys with prot)? Fae? Kyr?
ionic fern
For Prot it doesn't really matter - both are great covenants. I'm not sure about Arms tho.
Just taking a glance at the pins in #arms it seems that Kyrian/NF are also close forArms..so w/e you prefer. ๐
I think Kyrian is better in PvP tho?
ionic fern
Probably jeah.
So Kyrian then i guess. ๐
flat pewter
gucci
blazing condor
So what was the strats for painsmith again? I remember people talking about what we could do to make it easier as warriors
Tank-wise
jagged pier
press shield block leap over spikes jobs done
tame jasper
the shiel block is necassary? or can off-warr jump over it without taking damage too=?
jagged pier
when tanking the boss yes
blazing condor
Block for weapon or just in general?
blazing condor
Aight fank ju
jagged pier
yes
turbid cargo
fuck
mellow bridge
why did i always afk in the corner from p2 onwards instead of just hitting the boss then
turbid cargo
^
jagged pier
๐คท
u can charge through them the same way u can walk through them too
takes a bit of practice to get the timing down
mellow bridge
yea but timing that when they are going outwards from you, feels awkward to me
does the leap have to be timed correctly
or does it always work
as long as i dont jump into the spikes obv
spring topaz
what weapon enchant do we use? icy-veins says lightless force or celestial guidance but im seeing some sinful revelations in logs
spring topaz
ok thank you
primal cape
using celestial here
deft vessel
same
ionic fern
Same.
deft vessel
question - what collection of consumables do you lot use? I've read about some specs swapping from oils to sharpening stones and I'm sort of drawing a blank on what I should use
they all seem so...uhh...inconsequential?
ionic fern
Non cause i'm a cheap bastard.
deft vessel
lol
deft vessel
I suppose the shadow oil is primarily a ST thing
ionic fern
stone for m+
Big spender.
deft vessel
also in m+ i tend to use strength pots, so oil doesn't do much
deft vessel
Big spender.
aren't they all like...ultra cheap? xD
jagged pier
hardly big spender like 1 gold for an oil
ionic fern
Not sure tbh - haven't checked lately. ๐
Biggest reason i don't use them is because i forget about it.
deft vessel
it's only like...1 of ...uhh...5 things? (if you use rune)
food, flask, armor thingy on chest, weapon oil/stone, rune?
ionic fern
Battle Shout is the best i can do, sorry.
ionic fern
Oh, you're one of them.
I always feel ashamed when i join a group and someone has that one.
๐
ionic fern
Damn
deft vessel
nah, i hate that shit
I did find an awesome aura not too long ago that shouts DOS last boss asignments in chat
you type !dos in chat
and it assigns tank+ healer to one, and the others to the rest
shouts out by name and all that
but that's cus i'm lazy
tardy surge
Anyone else having Banner buff disappearing when you pop it before you pull a boss? Everyone else still have the buff but mine is gone as soon as we pull
strong forum
ya some stuff gets reset or buffs disappear on pull to prevent cheesing
just like you "get reset" to low rage if you enter combat with 100 rage
anti-cheese stuff
just pop banner once you entered combat, not before
tardy surge
Yeah kinda anyoing tho when you want to give it to some range players on pull
But I guess it is what it is
jagged pier
they ither need to stand on u
or your other tank starts the fight so u can stand on them at the start
we werent lying when we said it was arse to play
modern brook
better option is fuck your range give it to your ret pally and dk's that also wantit but arent afraid to be in melee to get it
ionic fern
๐
modern brook
running an objectively better cov isnt selfish
fwiw
until banner is off the gcd it has no business being as dog as it is
modern brook
everythings usable its wow
modern brook
just out gear content until you can do it anyways tbh
cloud hound
the only way to mitigate deathlink is SW and externals?
unique shale
i taking too much damage taken for 16-17 compering to 15-14 is it because of ilvl ?
jagged pier
yus
cloud hound
yikes
jagged pier
i taking too much damage taken for 16-17 compering to 15-14 is it because of ilv...
no its probs a bit of scaling and stuff could be play, like 14s do nothing compared to 17s u have logs?
this is why
your running reverb
u wont block anything
so u will take a tone of damage
unique shale
your running reverb
reverb ?
jagged pier
your legendary
jagged pier
your blocked hits are still mega low here
62%
u should be at ~80%
your CPM is also low
primal cape
are you facetanking ?
jagged pier
like SS and TC casts are like 3 casts a min off where they should be
u intervened 12 times
when your running reprisal
it should be used on cd
unique shale
i press SB and charage/intervene a lot tho idk why its low
jagged pier
because u arent using it correctly
unique shale
are you facetanking ?
yes a lot for dps to cleave everything down
jagged pier
like all your casts are low
demo shout should be used on cd
u used it 16 times
u used spear 20 times in over 30 mins
u uses SW 6 times
u need to press your buttons
and if your going to stand and facetank u really need to manage your shield block
with intervening and charge weaving
unique shale
got any log to look at ?
jagged pier
i dont have a log of plaugefall but Nome does he wont mind
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Kcf6DRXw8Zjm42Vy#fight=1&type=damage-taken&source=2
dry apex
shoud i equipe the 233 ring ?
jagged pier
i wouldnt
dry apex
alright thanks
unique shale
i dont have a log of plaugefall but Nome does he wont mind
https://www.warcraft...
too much ignore pain is that important ?
jagged pier
u IP when u need to
plaguefall is filled with magic and diseases and poisons which we hate so more IP usage is fine
unique shale
wow i really need to press shit
jagged pier
@strong forum u still have that press buttons meme around?
strong forum
Lemme look
unique shale
even tho i press a lot of revenge i am still LOW XD
strong forum
jagged pier
because your SS, TC and spear usage is low u generate less rage so u cant hit as much revengj or IP as Nome
TLDR do what the meme says
just press buttons
deft vessel
I don't really log m+, maybe I should start, though I largely pug, hmmm
jagged pier
What is stat prio?
ilvl > haste >>>vers > crit>=mastery
unique shale
I don't really log m+, maybe I should start, though I largely pug, hmmm
my friends pugging 16-17 and they telling me its impossible
deft vessel
I doubt it's impossible
unique shale
bad day i guess
ancient monolith
ilvl > haste >>>vers > crit>=mastery
If I get more than 30% hast unbuffed, should I start changing my gems to versa?
deft vessel
I haven't had much time to dedicate to the game in the season yet, so a bit behind, but so far it's ... about the same as it always is
jagged pier
If I get more than 30% hast unbuffed, should I start changing my gems to versa?
no
haste cap is 39%
unique shale
If I get more than 30% hast unbuffed, should I start changing my gems to versa?
no never say no to haste
jagged pier
well thats not cap
ancient monolith
haste cap is 39%
oooooh sounds good
jagged pier
but thats when u get taxed
ancient monolith
I thought cap was at 30%
deft vessel
No
ancient monolith
lol
ancient monolith
ancient monolith
iirc I have like 12-15% versa and sometimes I feel squishy
jagged pier
thats has nothing to do with stats
ancient monolith
but then I remember I am tanking the Other side
jagged pier
nome has 2%
deft vessel
Really though, I'm at that point of early season gearing where I'm largely losing haste lol
strong forum
DoS is just dumb
ancient monolith
nome has 2%
oh wow lol
strong forum
I have 3% now
unique shale
10% here
jagged pier
strong forum
Got a 7ilvl upgrade...
deft vessel
How do you like them weird magic melleeing skeletons
ancient monolith
pretty much any pack in any dungeon with 1 caster I feel squishy
strong forum
I don't
ancient monolith
after casting SR ofc
strong forum
DoS is just cursed
deft vessel
Yep
unique shale
DOS adds nerf when
strong forum
Soa is omega easy imo
ancient monolith
it is
jagged pier
^^
strong forum
1st boss is the biggest issue now 
ancient monolith
it's just some packs kinda hurt to tank...
ancient monolith
1st boss is the biggest issue now <a:keksquad:766690598635044895>
I'm glad though
strong forum
Maybe that's why
unique shale
it's just some packs kinda hurt to tank...
its only that robot bird you need to change him
jagged pier
the first boss i step one step sideways have 5 stacks of the beam as i run all over for no reason
strong forum
eyir cocks
gilded tendonBOT
ancient monolith
its only that robot bird you need to change him
and those flying beasts with their casts
if no one interrupts
strong forum
You just shockwave them, line up their casts
mellow bridge
GIGA dmg
strong forum
Then SR all
jagged pier
u can shockwave stack the thoughs
mellow bridge
tfw you reflect ALL the snakes in the double pull with spear
one button for 200k dmg
unique shale
first boss is easy third one is hard if healer think you are dh and you can get all orbs without any healing
strong forum
That double pull is cringe cuz of that leader aura
ancient monolith
tfw you reflect ALL the snakes in the double pull with spear
I discovered that yesterday
mellow bridge
just have to make sure youre not too far away from the praetor
or you will SR his cast instead
w/e it's called
unique shale
That double pull is cringe cuz of that leader aura
that pull is cool
with hero and all cds easy 30-40k dps
melt to ashes
mellow bridge
i wouldnt waste hero on that
unique shale
some do
deft vessel
Wait wait wait what
If you stun them and they cast synced a single spell reflect manages to reflect all the spits?
jagged pier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VJWOSdo870&ab_channel=Jakeyplops 12:35 ish u can see
damage ๐
if spells hit u on the same server tick u can reflect them all
u can do the same thing with the debuff from the mobs at the start of mists
fathom spindle
Inb4 blizzard hotfixes that midpull ๐
deft vessel
I didn't know this
jagged pier
i mean its been in the game for a very long time now
fathom spindle
Kidding, was refering to the changes of Sylvanas during the world first race ๐
modern brook
They couldn't change it without rewriting the entire game engine
fathom spindle
Thatโs really neat though, had no idea
But we Rarely go the left way anymore :/
jagged pier
left us far better and easier on a prot tank its more phyiscal damage
fathom spindle
We still got a better time on the right side however as of yet.
Especially with a ele shaman locking up on goliath by themselfs, and having interupts for days in general
blazing condor
i mean you dont double pull spear the leader doe right
You do the goliath pack + etherdivers
jagged pier
well i pug so no
fathom spindle
Ahh, then i understand your choice ๐
We take pretty much everything on the second platform with spear
deft vessel
I tend to go right in pugs
have i been making my life harder all this time?
I need to revisit my path maybe
fathom spindle
How many times have you failed the double goliath with PuGs? ๐
I can only imagine
fathom spindle
Wait what?!
People doing their job?!
ancient monolith
if spells hit u on the same server tick u can reflect them all
happened to me yesterday on accident as I look to my details and it showed me SR had like 4 or 5 hits and I used SR only once in that pull
fathom spindle
I had a PuG shaman the other day pulling less damage than me, yet felt the need to tell me what to pull, and what not to pull...
ancient monolith
"on accident" = best realization haha
primal cape
ppl on 15 still dont know how to play theirs specs, dont expect too much...
fathom spindle
Almost failed a +16 mist with him on the team (body pulled twice).
luckely we had Ulfswein (Pieces Warlock) pulling 11k overall damage.
deft vessel
it's really quite unfortunate when tank is outdamaging DPS
particularly in our current rather poor damage tuning ๐ญ
but it still happens with regularity
fathom spindle
He was bumrushing dungeons while they were on Soulrender.
Because he was not needed on that fight.
But as soon as they downed him, he had to rush for Nerโzul
chrome falcon
5.2k in hoa 15, finally getting above 5k jesus
fathom spindle
Shaman pulled 5.6 k overall, i did 5.4.
Ulfswein did 10,9 k overall.
Yet the shaman felt the need to tell me what to do ๐คทโโ๏ธ
chrome falcon
#bannergang rising
fathom spindle
โCC thoseโ, kite those etc
jagged pier
kite in mists??
primal cape
btw do we know next week affixs?
fathom spindle
The second pack, he body pulled ๐ the two harvester etc, so everything was stacked.
So had to kite a little bit in the mushroom room.
Which i intended to do already, for a full insta heal anyway
He fucking backwalked into those
Cause there was no Knockback > Hex on his part, no mlg plays.
Rather he wrote midfight
chrome falcon
just finished a key where i had 40% uptime on banner
nearly 9 and a half minutes of uptime
tardy osprey
is that with Glory?
chrome falcon
yeah
primal cape
raging volcanic every week ? oO
zealous spade
raging volcanic every week ? oO
hmm, gimme a sec, I check whats wrong
I got bamboozled, next one will be raging-volcanic it seems, but donnow about the rest
primal cape
fathom spindle
But i canโt push keys without a DK nowadays.
They are essentially better Rogues it feels like.
Try finding a good DK, and stick with him/her, they make everything so much easier
thorn remnant
I'm debating swapping from VDH to Prot Warrior... my guild is primarily just AOTC focused... but it feels like a tough personal decision as they're both fun (but I am stuck as one ugly race as a DH).
fathom spindle
As someone who was DH before.
Do the switch.
Warrior is way more fun
zealous spade
I'm debating swapping from VDH to Prot Warrior... my guild is primarily just AOT...
I was tempted to swap early S1 when DH was mandatory, but I'm glad I stayed with my warrior. For me DH is bland as hell
thorn remnant
As someone who was DH before.
Do the switch.
Warrior is way more fun
Tell me more.
thorn remnant
lol
tardy osprey
I'm debating swapping from VDH to Prot Warrior... my guild is primarily just AOT...
Warrior has better transmog, that's all you need to know
thorn remnant
Warrior has better transmog, that's all you need to know
That's very true.
primal cape
One word, dont go bear
sweet summit
that's 5 words
thorn remnant
I have never been able to play a Dr-ewwwww-d.
tardy osprey
Bear is great if you want to lol your way through +15s while watching netflix
primal cape
yh just spamming 3 buttons
fierce field
repetitive stress, makes my hand hurt to bear
primal cape
war was the less played tank at end 9.0.5, idk atm
thorn remnant
Warrior has better transmog, that's all you need to know
I'm currently a Dark Iron Dwarf for my warrior too.
tardy osprey
good racial and good mogs +1
fathom spindle
Tell me more.
More engaging gameplay.
Reprisal makes it extremly fun, and not being forced to kite all the time (minus magic damage) is a blast.
More utility with Rallying cry and Intervene.
Arms/Fury as off-specs are more fun, and their covenants align better.
For optimal Vengeance performance you go Kyrian, which means Havoc will suck without the Hunt.
But Kyrian/Fae is amazing on all Warrior specs.
thorn remnant
More engaging gameplay.
Reprisal makes it extremly fun, and not being forced to...
I'm Necro on both VDH and Warrior because I love it. haha Currently 220 ilvl on warrior as well, felt good in a 15 key this week too.
primal cape
- just shield block and you can afk toilet 15 sec or brb drink
plush tendon
Not totally true; the fact of the matter is that all tanks are all reasonably balanced and you wont see the deviation between the tanks until you are pushing the very high keys
plush tendon
Play what you like to play, not what someone tells you to play
fathom spindle
Rallying cry + conduit in raids have saved plenty of people
onyx vessel
If used correctly
primal cape
meaning play war tank and facetank a giant pack for 2 min without falling under 90% hp
plush tendon
Rallying cry can be useful, or totally useless
onyx vessel
The conduit for rally is a no brainer
fathom spindle
Play what you like to play, not what someone tells you to play
No one is saying X is better than Y.
Iโm giving examples on why Prot is more fun (subjective though), and how the three specs align better with the covenants
onyx vessel
If you aint using it 
primal cape
i feel war prot is very satisfying to play
fathom spindle
DH is King against magic damage, something we can struggle against ๐คทโโ๏ธ
primal cape
didn have this feeling for others
plush tendon
No one is saying X is better than Y.
Iโm giving examples on why Prot is more fun...
dont sleep on NF VDH though; huge ST damage (ours recently swapped so he can DPS in our keys) Plus, 5% magic damage, better dungeon utility, and they still have a lot of damage in their kit
Though, if you ask me; VDH boring AF
fathom spindle
Better utility?
We can save people with Intervene and Rallying cry ๐
and negate some boss mechanics through Spell reflect
plush tendon
Sigil of Silence, Imprison, range silence, magic dispell, chains
fathom spindle
Not necesserally better per se
plush tendon
Its just better utility in a dungeon setting; warrior have their own tools that are arguably better in raid then VDH's.
I think the only thing we have over VDH is access to two stuns and aoe fear whereas they only have fear
but again, both have their strengths and weaknesses; in the end is more about how you press the buttons you have rather then what the buttons are
fathom spindle
Indeed.
I still enjoy Prot Warrior more, but everything is subjective โบ๏ธ
plush tendon
Same
Its why the DH is currently in the shed outback
Ill only bring him out if we need a leather tank for carries XD
fathom spindle
I only brought mine out for raid due to Chaos brand.
Now we got a Havoc atleast, so i can comfortably go Warrior ๐
thorn remnant
I only brought mine out for raid due to Chaos brand.
Now we got a Havoc atleast,...
I think that's what my guild may be concerned about since I'm the only DH and I swap to Prot Warrior... but since not a mythic progression guild, I don't think it makes that big of a difference.
plush tendon
Go find a Havoc
Both DH and War are 'mandatory' raid buffs
Your magic dealers would be salty if there isnt a DH
But if not doing Mythic... it dont matter
But its not like DH and War dps are in a bad spot either; both very strong so its only a plus ๐
tardy osprey
with how balanced tanks are right now, it has made having tank alts a lot more enjoyable. Getting to play a spec just because you enjoy it more is fantastic. Some patches even if you weren't someone pushing content, it felt bad to play some specs.
fathom spindle
I think that's what my guild may be concerned about since I'm the only DH and I ...
You get along nicely with your guild, and/or do they do anything special for you, that keeps you in your place as DH?
plush tendon
I mean, its not uncommon to actually like your guild XD
and be willing to do to make changes to help
fathom spindle
I mean, its not uncommon to actually like your guild XD
I love my guild ๐ which is why i went DH for them early, and stayed until we could find a Havoc.
Iโm a main tank even though i canโt raid 100%, i raid roughly 80% due to working shifts.
So thatโs a very uncommon thing to have a raid spot as tank, so iโm willing to help out extra.
They wanted a Havoc in 9.1 due to buffs in ST damage, and darkness anyway (utility Vengeance canโt provide anyway), so it was a matter of time.
But i stayed DH long enough for a replacement.
modern brook
Imagine liking your guild smh
plush tendon
Imagine liking your guild smh
I know crazy
wait what am I talking bout... I like my guild
outer lily
Hey guys, was thinking to start doing keys as prot this season in M+ - what slot should I craft Reprisal on?
modern brook
Legs
thorn remnant
You get along nicely with your guild, and/or do they do anything special for you...
They're good peeps and they'll support my choice regardless.
fathom spindle
They're good peeps and they'll support my choice regardless.
Then ask them to recruit a Havoc If you wanna switch.
Otherwise stay Vengeance for the time being If you canโt make up your mind on the spot ๐
jagged pier
i mean for AOTC nothing really matter tbh
plush tendon
Then ask them to recruit a Havoc If you wanna switch.
Otherwise stay Vengeance f...
or be like my guild and have 5 warriors
and no priests
fathom spindle
Lol.
Well we have the usual thing.
Two Fury warriors that underperforms but refuses to go arms ๐คทโโ๏ธ
And me 80% of the time
stark sage
tbf if they're underperforming as fury, they'll probably underperform as arms
fathom spindle
Maybe ๐ i reckon arms is easier though?
I mean, i hobby play arms, and ive done maybe 4 Mythic + as it, and two raid bosses for shit n giggles.
I still performed purple (without padding, and an outdated Phial and SLG trink).
plush tendon
We have 1 very good arms warrior, 1 trolling former raid leader/GM arms warrior, 1 clown on Fury and then me as the shield boy
stark sage
i think fury's easier but idk both aren't hard, so if they suck at one they probably just suck in general
fathom spindle
Maybe youโre right.
Luckely they are only playing on the farm day (Thursday) and not progress (Sunday).
But we would easily be 10/10 Heroic If we just went progress both days,
Stuck at 8/10 HC due to time limits
We have like 15 players that are really good, yet we run like 25 people every Thursday, downing like 5 bosses.
Then we go with a better group on Sundays, but we only have 2,5h raid time.
It kinda sucks that we distribute loot to people that have no intention of pushing or learning each Thursday.
But it is what it is.
tardy osprey
but master loot was an evil system
/s
fathom spindle
Yeah, communism is better! ๐
chilly brook
but master loot was an evil system
/s
Literally had a dope ass 239 ring drop in raid last night and the guy didnt want it
But couldn't trade it because personal loot and it's an ilvl upgrade
tardy osprey
but Blizz knows best!
chilly brook
We have like 15 players that are really good, yet we run like 25 people every Th...
Feelsbadman
Honestly our group could have been 10/10h at this point but theres been some feet dragging for sure
Literal wipe on KT last night at 200k hp man
chrome falcon
i'm late to the party but oh my god bolster feels so much better than it did in BFA
chilly brook
i'm late to the party but oh my god bolster feels so much better than it did in ...
What
Its literally basically worse in every way except that it gives you the actual shield block buff
๐
chrome falcon
don't flame bolster for the crimes of AM
real thunder
Just wondering about the heroic Fatescribe Roh-Kalo strat you guys are using. We mark 6 people who are responsible for each ring and they coordinate doing the puzzle. i heard that it might be possible to just have someone with the rune debuff QUICKLY stand on a rune and rotating it and it will make it to the final location in time.
chilly brook
Idk
chrome falcon
"quickly" isn't good enough
chilly brook
I just get hit in the face
chrome falcon
it has to be literally perfect
real thunder
ok thx
chrome falcon
anyway, playing bolster with glory feels really nice in keys atm but
y'all not ready for that conversation smh
chilly brook
I'm never ready for simping
chrome falcon
when your banner uptime is 42% over the whole dungeon
the only person you're simping for is yourself
zealous spade
I'm not ready though, but you say necro/glory is BiS in higher keys as well? I'm not ready to farm renown either
tardy osprey
it is tempting to give Necro boys a try, but AA and Spear are both so useful idk
amber herald
I simp for no one
chrome falcon
erm
define "higher keys"
timed a 17 plaguefall earlier with us all in 232 pretty easily
4.9k overall from myself without counting banner buff
zealous spade
17+
chrome falcon
good for them ๐
strong forum
Just wanted to throw that out there
chrome falcon
yeah i don't know how good it is for pushing absolute insane bleeding edge stuff
but i mean
yeah i don't know
chrome falcon
depends what you're tanking
against wicked bolts, banner is the best power defensively
chilly brook
Wat
chrome falcon
?
strong forum
Shouldn't ever tank those
chilly brook
What exactly does that have to do with mitigating magic damage?
strong forum
The Str bonus from Banner doesn't extend with glory afaik
chrome falcon
incorrect
sweet summit
they fixed that and rage gen part nome
chrome falcon
^
chrome falcon
i had 10 minutes of banner uptime
sweet summit
actually good
rancid ember
lavish oracle
Just wait til mik 57
chrome falcon
fuck mikanikos i don't respect people who hang out with owls
lavish oracle
Year of the spear
strong forum
So you gained 2.4k rage from Banner
I gained 1.4k rage from reprisal alone, that's not counting the free SB, free revenge
strong forum
Spear + reprisal is 2.2k rage total, not counting free SB and free revenge
In a 29min PF16
So yah, I'm thinking spear is still better
tardy osprey
do you use Fleshcraft as a defensive cooldown or pre pull?
chrome falcon
defensive
strong forum
Depends
lavish oracle
And SB uptime is gonna save you more rage anyways because it's more efficient mitigation
modern brook
do you use Fleshcraft as a defensive cooldown or pre pull?
you can LS + rally in the key timer -> flesh craft and the LS/rally will reset when the key starts and you'll have 1 fatty shield
tardy osprey
oh shit
sweet summit
5head gamer move
modern brook
thats pre-pog
tardy osprey
idk I may give Necro boys a try, already got both NF and Kyrian at 48 / 45 Ren
cold zealot
Was i in the wrong, demanding the top shield over my groups ele Shaman?
I geht that it would have been mainstat. But the blockvalue in the Tank ist Just more vallue, right?
chrome falcon
join the banner gang
sweet summit
dps players have loot prio over tanks
modern brook
tbh fuck non-enhancement shaman
sweet summit
it is what it is
tardy osprey
Reknown levels fast anymore
strong forum
Was i in the wrong, demanding the top shield over my groups ele Shaman?
I geht t...
Your shield is much much more important than for shammy
chrome falcon
yeah you should have definitely ninja'd that shield
strong forum
It's the single most important item for you
lavish oracle
I dunno, I just never demand loot
chrome falcon
just chain die in your next key and blame your shield
plush tendon
wait... is it back to banner gang?
strong forum
No
chrome falcon
yes
modern brook
just chain die in your next key and blame your shield
now this is a yoinkable strat
chilly brook
defensive
You should realistically be using everytime its up
Especially if you're running emeni
chrome falcon
https://gyazo.com/28d0a3d314f794ce73d3a2e2c6b801b0 i love this screenshot
chilly brook
Since it's basically a DPS CD at that point once you get the capstone trait
chrome falcon
SEVERAL PEOPLE ARE TYPING
fervent harness
banner is pog
chilly brook
Same thing with marileth tbh
chrome falcon
oh yeah i'm fleshcrafting on CD when i get that capper trait
that's gonna be yuicy
chilly brook
Otherwise you're losing out on stats
modern brook
Honestly with the glory fix
Covs are at the exact same spot they've always been
where nothing fucking matters
plush tendon
yea, but if you play Banner.... no reprisal
modern brook
just play what you want
fervent harness
just dont banner prepull
modern brook
smh
chrome falcon
LS will line up with banner every time and you'll get a 40 second banner literally every time
fervent harness
play what you want if it doesn't have condemn*
sweet summit
im venthyr
modern brook
When reprisal dropped it was literally heralded as "why is this a legendary, it literally just addresses every issue we have"
nothings changed, thats still true
chilly brook
Reprisal>Bolster
chrome falcon
Bolster>Reprisal
modern brook
THe whole legendary should've been a patch
chrome falcon
ez debate victory stay free kid
chrome falcon
Incorrect, what you said is not true
chilly brook
Reprisal is just better than bolster
chrome falcon
Problem is that actually bolster is just better than reprisal
So where does that leave us
modern brook
Aight so i know we're having a good time - but if you're going to be contrarian for the sake of it
plush tendon
IDK, Reprisal is poggers
modern brook
Its on you to provide any semblence of evidence the other way
chilly brook
strong forum
A:No you're wrong
B: no you're wrong
modern brook
lets not fill this with garbage :/
chilly brook
I'm actually being real here
chrome falcon
You're not, you're just saying your thing is better than my thing
chilly brook
Reprisal is better than bolster
modern brook
@chilly brook you're echoing the accepted truth
chrome falcon
I'm just saying that 99% of this discord doesn't even know how Glory fucking works
And is just relentlessly shitting on it
modern brook
@sweet summit and you call yourself stormfroged smh
strong forum
๐ธ
modern brook
i saw the typo and thought it was funnier so i left it :^)
chilly brook
I'm just saying that 99% of this discord doesn't even know how Glory fucking wor...
You also claimed necro has the highest single target potential
WCL says otherwise
plush tendon
Though I think the bigger question is if Necro Banner+ Glory+ Bolster beats out, for sake of argument, Ancient Aftershock+ Reprisal+AM
chilly brook
:Detective:
sweet summit
it does if you count buffs
chilly brook
it does if you count buffs
As in counting buffs to others?
plush tendon
which, I dont think it currently does
sweet summit
yes
modern brook
Though I think the bigger question is if Necro Banner+ Glory+ Bolster beats out,...
I mean
sweet summit
its not lol
chrome falcon
I mean................. it's kinda not
sweet summit
thats literally jsut how it is designed lol
inland silo
Thatโs the entire point of the covenant and legendary
chilly brook
Nah fam, saying it has the highest single target potential and saying it has the highest group benefit is two different things
tardy osprey
what's the go to soulbind for Necro? guessing Emeni?
sweet summit
its the same thing
chrome falcon
Emeni in most situations yes
modern brook
what's the go to soulbind for Necro? guessing Emeni?
emeni for lead by example yeah
chrome falcon
Lead By Example slaps real hard
sweet summit
if you dont specify personal dps
plush tendon
Emeni pog, Bonesmith also not bad
strong forum
Necro + glory theoretically grants your raid the highest dps assuming you have a pwar and not a different tank in comparison
modern brook
I mean none of this is new information
chilly brook
if you dont specify personal dps
But that's kinda what's implied when saying something has the highest single target potential
modern brook
Its been said since day one that necro/glory is good if you can get the buff where it needs to go
sweet summit
not when youre talking about an ability/legendary that buffs other players like necro and glory
plush tendon
Also, why is now the first time I find the 'State of Prot War' video
this better be as good as the BDK one ๐
sweet summit
its been pinned for a week smh
ionic fern
Also, why is now the first time I find the 'State of Prot War' video
Idk,it's pinned in here and in #announcements
plush tendon
Ive been.... busy
ionic fern
๐
sweet summit
plush tendon
with Torghast and dailies
strong forum
this better be as good as the BDK one ๐
Impossible because I'm in it
smoky wave
So that leaves Mwahi as the decider?
tardy osprey
โค๏ธ Pika
chrome falcon
Hey so, now that I have clearly (and without dissent) proven that banner is the best covenant ability
Is anyone bothering with HC sylvanas
chilly brook
:Detective:
plush tendon
in due time
chrome falcon
Pretty sure I'm going to have us go kill Nine on mythic and then go sylvanas
Just feels like such a waste of time before then
chilly brook
Why is this damn emote not working
sweet summit
we're doing sylvanas after the nine today
strong forum
Maybe in 2023 when the raid becomes solo-able
chilly brook
:Detective:
sweet summit
plush tendon
chilly brook
Wadu hek
tardy osprey
chrome falcon
strong forum
Cuz you lack faith griff
plush tendon
I just need to get my raiders past Painsmith and for my raiders to stop being on vacation -_-
chrome falcon
i'm so scared of painsmith on mythic
like idk what they can do to that fight to make it possible for... normal human beings
plush tendon
yea, but if you get past it the rest looks like smooth sailing ๐
sweet summit
normal human being usually have eyes so it cant be that bad
inland silo
Fixing spike desync would be a very large step in the right direction
chrome falcon
that clip of... maevey i think? dying when he was literally a full square away from the spikes
actually make me queasy
inland silo
Thereโs an infinite amount of clips like that
inland silo
I swear after they fixed gate being able to go over spikes, desync is the only hard part of the fight
Just rng whether or not you live
Very cool
chrome falcon
so
apparently
if you stop moving as soon as your face
the game will uptime your position faster
inland silo
Yea Iโve heard that
chrome falcon
as soon as you're safe*
fathom spindle
I think i read here that everything the eye of the jailer does is unblockable?
inland silo
Havenโt tried it yet though
chrome falcon
yes grahn