protection

[strong forum]

and on boss execute ofc

[wide pilot]

now i was in an SD 14 with a resto druid who was 2400 io last season. after the dungeon he messaged me on his own telling me how barely had to heal me and that he enjoyed actually being able to dps....but then i went back and looked at the log and it showed i only had an 8CPM on SS.
what would cause me to feel so tanky there with such a low cpm

[strong forum]

reprisal

or he played with god awful tanks

[blazing condor]

[wide pilot]

but i can go into the same dungeon with another group and get dumpstered with the same cpm

and the healer screaming how squishy i am

[tardy osprey]

how well the group stuns/kicks makes a noticeable difference for damage taken

[sick sentinel]

^^

[green trench]

Hmm.. Bron (Defensive) or Pelagos?

Now that we are 48

[blazing condor]

anyone had the pic of the domination pieces?

like the slots for plate

[young oasis]

Guys, best anima powers for max damage on 1st boss?

[blazing condor]

i guess i take deadgrove right?

everything is great man

idek

[timber cloud]

would easily take scale

many sources for weapon, only one source for max scale

[blazing condor]

yeah id really like it but i feel like you cant pass up that +26 weapon upgrade

i have a 220 scale and if we gonna run aegis instead its not as worth

the most logical and best choice is the weapon

but the scale just touches my heart cus i had to farm the shit out of that one last season

[green trench]

Yupp xD

[fallen rose]

i hate my vault

[blazing condor]

oof

i need a strong SF to just tell me to take the axe

[fallen rose]

i would take BS BTW much rarer than a weprion

[blazing condor]

true but that wep is great as well and will p much last me the entire patch

[young oasis]

I got Inscrutable Quantum Device 252. It sucks as tank in every scenario?

[fallen rose]

well this is my full vault could not be worse

[blazing condor]

its good dam

[young oasis]

for what? Never looked into it

just say me where I can read about that shit

no need to explain it

[strong forum]

pelagos until 57

[urban portal]

opening as prot is a doozy

[strong forum]

its not really great for tanks if you cant pair it with big CDs like ashen

it can do a dmg proc

but the 3min CD is just ass

[young oasis]

yep

rip...

Thank you, bro

❤️

[blazing condor]

@strong forum help a brother out

what'd you take

[strong forum]

viscera is not great not terrible, alright dps trinket

[strong forum]

who

[strong forum]

ah

id take weppy probably, a 236 scale / 246 when upgraded is already good enough

apparently a 252 scale absorbs 90k on 5 targets

but it also depends on if you are gonna kill the eye anytime soon right

or whoever drops 1h weppy

[blazing condor]

weppy seems logical

has anyone done the math on aegis vs scale

like

will scale be redundant with aegis

[strong forum]

scale is better vs fewer targets

aegis better vs many targets

aegis does a fuckload more dmg in m+

[blazing condor]

realistically i see myself using aegis in the future

meaning at one point i would switch out the scale

sooo the logical pick would be weppy

[strong forum]

ya, and a 236/246 is already good enough

gets the job done

[green trench]

I might be out of date, but wondering about which soulbind to have now that we are 48. I am choosing the more defensive side, but torn between Bron or Pelagos

Any tips?

[strong forum]

^

[green trench]

Didnt see you wriet that - thanks ma dude 🙂

And is it the 6% dmg reduction or the 5% dmg done? Thinking the dmg reduction will be lower than getting another Endurance, am I thinking clearly here?

[green trench]

That's Pelagos 🙂

[strong forum]

yes

[green trench]

Was thinking about the last Bron talent

or.. rather, 2nd last

[strong forum]

in raid you pick the 3% dmg increase

in m+ that dmg increase is useless

[undone verge]

im still wondering if I should stick with splintered heart. I like to run cheat cause it just feels more fun to play, but the new cheat in SOD is kinda terrible

[strong forum]

actually

given that you get the next endurance conduit

itll outweigh the shield from mikan

[green trench]

That's what i thought

[fallen rose]

@strong forum if you could pick one bastion soulbind for raid and M+ tank what one would it be?

[strong forum]

pelagos until 57

mikan after 57

period

[fallen rose]

thanks

[strong forum]

its really inconsequential on the last 2 on mikan tbh

[green trench]

So, I am guessing the 3% dmg increase + Endurance Conduit of Coindensed Anima Sphere outweighs 6% dmg reduction from Mikan

Also, more testing?

[strong forum]

its not 6%

its a 6% shield every 30 seconds for 10 seconds

[green trench]

Yes, just trying to write it shortly here ^^

[strong forum]

ya but 6% damage reduction is incredibly misleading for those who are lurking

cuz 6% free damage reduction is huge

[green trench]

True - my bad

What I can gather is, it is a bit unsure until we can test more?

[strong forum]

also apparently its 8% with a 2x chance

na its pretty simple

[green trench]

That should proc on every pack, 1-2 times depending on CDs for M+?

[strong forum]

the endurance is guaranteed ~4% heal every 10 seconds

so 12% guaranteed health every 30 seconds

whereas the shield is 8% magic shield and 8% physical shield every 30 seconds assuming you get hit by both

which isnt always gonna be the case

[green trench]

Heal as well only if ur below 100%

[strong forum]

which is always

[green trench]

True

[strong forum]

idk its literally a minimal difference

at the end of the day its "do you want the finesse conduit or not"

[green trench]

Exactly my thought 😄

[strong forum]

but if the shield actually is 8% now, its gonna be better because thats an 8k shield

[green trench]

Says 6% on the tooltip

[strong forum]

says 8 on wowhead 🤷‍♂️

[green trench]

but im guessing ur counting Phys + Mag

[strong forum]

no

[green trench]

In-game says 6%

6% 😦

[strong forum]

ya is 6%

asked the wowhead dudes

ya so left side is just better

unless you want that finesse

[little herald]

i picked saurfang soul trinket from Sylvanas, only good in raid, right?

[strong forum]

No it's good everywhere

It has a 15sec grace period before you lose the buff

[obsidian needle]

guys am i stupid or is prot warri garbage for eye the jailor

[undone verge]

feels fine for eye

[lavish oracle]

Can't block shit on that fight so it's not optimal

[undone verge]

true

[obsidian needle]

i dont know why blizzard designs the boss that way

[undone verge]

eye just feels like a weird fight

[strong forum]

They really want you to use the wall leggo, clearly

On sylvanas im also thinking that you'd play the wall

Since like 70%of her dmg is just magic

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, I swap to the wall for it

[shut summit]

100% wall on eye

fight sux for us

[strong forum]

Fuggin dumb

[lavish oracle]

If they just made piercing lens blockable, it'd be fine

[obsidian needle]

do you even wanna use shield block like really

or just pump everything in IP

[strong forum]

Prolly just an IP fight, and use SB for damage

[shut summit]

block the lance hit from abductor, otherwise IP

[lavish oracle]

Do we know how many configurations of the tormented lieutenants there are?

Is it like awakened where there's just an A pattern and a B pattern or do they take turns rotating through all the slots?

[strong forum]

does it matter

[lavish oracle]

Little bit

Particularly if you would ever skip one

[strong forum]

by the point that it would matter, it will be known i would think

rn we would be guessing

there havent been enough weeks to confirm anything

[lavish oracle]

Or like some packs I'd feel comfortable pulling like Arkolath or Soggodon with but I wouldn't want to do with Oros

Did they rotate on PTR?

[strong forum]

@spice crystal halp

[spice crystal]

oh hello

[strong forum]

👋

[ionic fern]

Sessa's here. 👀

[spice crystal]

I have updated maps on tanknotes with the new configuration, I'm praying 🙏 that it stays as tyr/fort not AABB like other affixes have been

but this should be the only 2 layouts

they were the only 2 that ever appeared on PTR

[lavish oracle]

Oh, rad, good to know

[spice crystal]

and they flippy floppy with each other (weirdly the linear dungeons all have the same pairs and non-linear dungeons have different ones)

only weird one is HoA where the actual locations on top of the order has changed

this layout is much better though because it gives you barbs first in almost every dungeon

[lavish oracle]

Thank you for your service o7

[spice crystal]

❤️

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, I was thinking about pulling the first lieutenant in wake with a big pack and was wondering that would be doable every week

[spring holly]

I've noticed a lot of guides have brutal vitality for 3rd endurance conduit, is that really better than condensed anima sphere? Does it really even matter?

[jagged pier]

no and no

[candid shadow]

hello what is a decent overall uptime for shield block and ignorepain ?

[distant crystal]

look at logs and blocked % on your dmg taken melees

SB/IP uptime isn't the metric you want

[proper dock]

Noticed on logs lots of Vers over haste prot tanks, guides all say stack haste, is vers better for mythic prog?

[jagged pier]

ilvl is better and they probs have pvp gear as its fast and ez to get which is stacked in vers

[distant crystal]

does haste generally sim more dam?

[proper dock]

They are enchanting and gemming vers

thats what throws me

[ionic fern]

Raids have generally 2 tanks meaning you don't have to tank 24/7 and have enough downtime between taunt swaps to let Shield Block recharge. Vers also works against dot's and magic damage which generally is the spooky thing in raids.

It won't make or brake anything. You could enchant full mastery(or nothing at all) and still be able to clear mythic raids as long as you play properly.

[proper dock]

fair

thanks

[sullen valve]

@ionic fern mute me daddy

[ionic fern]

Never
:(

[timber slate]

got the shield from tarragrue

[distant crystal]

[cinder nova]

I did Tarragrue on N, H, and LFR

And they gave me the LFR Domination socket

Fucking blizz

[distant crystal]

i thought they only drop from your first kill of the week

wowhead news just had an article about it

[frank hemlock]

yo anyone know if LFR drops shards?

getting conflicting info from people

[distant crystal]

👀

Players can earn Shards of Domination from any difficulty boss kill, including LFR. However, they appear to only drop on your first kill of each boss per week, regardless of difficulty, so players do not have to farm all four difficulties to maximize their chances of obtaining them.

[frank hemlock]

Ooooh.

Well

That explains it

Thanks mate

[distant crystal]

np

[timber slate]

some shaman gave it to me xD

[distant crystal]

that's the one slot where tanks should get prio tbh

good on 'em

[timber slate]

well he was about 230

and it was LFR

[blazing condor]

Are dungeons generally faster right now with powers and the minibosses? Or is it around the same as pride

[ebon geyser]

He's a mist perfectly fine to be muted

[mighty valley]

Overall I think we're slightly less powerful with the 9.1 affix than 9.0

but hard to tell

someone smart will run the numbers

some early bosses are a real slog now, like ingra & droman in mists

[onyx sandal]

Any prot warriors tanked M Tarrague yet? Seems like tanks should be soaking most of the fire and magic remnants, and obv that's bad news for us

Going to be tanking with a bear so he'll be soaking most of both of those but was wondering if anyone has done it differently (prot warriors soaking phys dmg instead)

[lavish oracle]

I've had a better experience this tier with dungeon pugs, but that might just be because we have a tier of experience under our belts

[vocal nimbus]

hey guys, eye of the jailer's deathlink is no longer blockable?

[cinder nova]

It's not, no.

[blazing condor]

Means more dmg into revenj

[cinder nova]

Not really.

Pretty sure RFDT isn't scalar to damage and hasn't been for a while.

Fuck me, when it was though, it was hilarious.

[strong forum]

hasnt been a thing since bfa pre-patch

now its only 3 rage per phys hit 1sec ICD

[cinder nova]

REEEEE

[strong forum]

rfdt would make us busted

[cinder nova]

Stop talking about rage nerfs reeeee

[strong forum]

just like VDH had pfdt

and a proper rotation in legion

[blazing condor]

Well less rage having to spend on sb

Granted eye doesnt white hit

[opal salmon]

any suggestions on first couple pulls on DOS? seem to get clapped

ran 12-13 mythic, and i get smoked

[strong forum]

Kite

Just kite

[opal salmon]

Gotcha, kinda what i figured

[mighty valley]

try and save shield block for the 2nd pull, it's the real hell one

[opal salmon]

must not kite enough

[mighty valley]

build threat with cooldowns then bail

[strong forum]

Those skellies do a magic instant nuke

Once they can touch you

[mighty valley]

i mean shield wall

[strong forum]

First pull is LS + Lust

Then kite once shit runs out

2nd pull is tank aslong as you have CDs like SW and demo

Then kite once those run out

[opal salmon]

so i dont like lust first pull cause dps can never burn first boss

[strong forum]

And never go back in until the small skellies are dead

[mighty valley]

you should have lust back with a good route

[strong forum]

^

[opal salmon]

got a route you can share

[strong forum]

You should plan your route so you get to 1st boss by the 10min mark

[opal salmon]

gotcha, usually i just do first 2 pulls then go 1st boss

but would make more sense to get more powers

[mighty valley]

think routes are still being tinkered with but last I did was... do first two pulls, get miniboss

U-Turn and go to miniboss in front of Ardenweald wing

[chilly brook]

Overall this new affix is worse in terms of power gain than Prideful was

So everyone is kinda less powerful tbh

[mighty valley]

then do ardenweald, then clear dungeon in reverse order from last season

[opal salmon]

So i bet if you do first 2 pulls and both enraged spirits

Enr

[jagged pier]

@chilly brook we done

[opal salmon]

and then you get both minibosses

hmm thats not a bad idea

[chilly brook]

For DoS clear outside like it's old prideful, dip into mechagon to get mini boss, go to Ardenweald, do ardenweald with all 4 powers then work back

[jagged pier]

nah go left

[chilly brook]

Ardenweald is the first zone you'll do

Regardless

[opal salmon]

okay okay, makes sense

so that'll give me lust for first pull

that'll help

[chilly brook]

You'll have lust for first pull and first boss

[mighty valley]

lmao you're hearing a lotta different option, but basically ya, you can always find a way to have 10 mins pass before first pull and first boss without wasting time

[chilly brook]

Since you're knocking out a lot of trash

And theres basically no reason not to grab all the anima powers before first boss since you're not going out of your way to get them

[chilly brook]

Ya love to see it

Meanwhile I haven't done it yet

I rerolled again

[strong forum]

I only need 14 more keys for KSM!

[chilly brook]

I could easily get it on the monk though this week, just need to do keys on the pally soooo

[jagged pier]

[jagged pier]

Pugging it was a slog not going to lie

[chilly brook]

I don't doubt it, teams don't want me unless I have like 1800 score already and the ones that do take me are a nightmare

[jagged pier]

Nah i started today with like 1500

[mighty valley]

gotta lotta months to win this thing

[jagged pier]

Yer but out the way early is quicker i can raid log

[mighty valley]

lmao true

i'm basically just gonna be doing whatever 15s for vault loot and ksm will just happen sometime

and then push higher if i ever feel the drive

[chilly brook]

Earlier it's done the better tbh

Just because the nature of gearing

[jagged pier]

Yer i can upgrade to 240 whatever now

[chilly brook]

If you can fill important slots early in prog it's pretty big

Like if you're getting cucked on shield drops

Getting a big boi shield is dope

[mighty valley]

i think i'll get ksm by the time i have a pile of valor without tryharding pugs too much

[jagged pier]

I am gett cucked on all loot

[mighty valley]

but yeah... shield drop is one motivator

[chilly brook]

6 bosses yesterday, no loot

Hpally got the shield

Off mythic terragrue

[jagged pier]

8 bosses today i got a shard

[mighty valley]

did hm tazavesh, no gear except quest neck

only piece of sanctum loot so far? a neck

[jagged pier]

Hopefully get mine on monday

[chilly brook]

Ayyy nice, no painsmith wall for you

[jagged pier]

Well no we killed it went guardian and then the offices wanted to clear some normal for dom gear 😴

Which reminds me i forget to check how much that absord shard did

[chilly brook]

I'm gonna fish for a shield drop in m+ this week, but not going to upgrade if I get one until after reset

[jagged pier]

Im just gunna pray for one from vault

And the day i get it will be the day the tarrgrue drops one

[chilly brook]

Basically my hope, is that I get it from the vault or from terragrue next week

If not, I'll just upgrade

[frank hemlock]

i've killed it yesterday, i did most of the soaking with defensive powers and my co tank had some offensive ones

honestly the power to look out for is the ethereal form one or something

the one that dispells you at random intervals

everyone should be getting it if they get the chance

[chilly brook]

Killed it yesterday, really only soaked the purple

[frank hemlock]

yea i also focused on purple one, but if i saw one close to me not being soaked i got it as well

[vocal nimbus]

tarragrue MM with a shield from CN LFR was not fun

[chilly brook]

Tbh I'd recommend going for more defensive focused powerw. It's a pretty healing intensive fight to begin with and he hits like a truck. Granted I did it on my 223 prot pally so kinda undergeared for mythic but that being said I'd still just go more defensive powers, if you dont need them just reroll

[frank hemlock]

yea

i believe i had like 3 defensives on our kill

my parse was shit but im running necro with glory so im already going support lmao

[chilly brook]

I think I was #8 lmao

Even with defensive powers

Or rather more defensive powers

[frank hemlock]

if you get the leech one or the one that spawns a worm or something it gives you like around 1k dps by itself

[chilly brook]

Kekw, dropped to #44 now

When I did have dps powers though I was like number 5 on our meters

[strong forum]

Tarra...

[chilly brook]

It's a meme fight

For sure

[onyx sandal]

Got it ty all. And yeah I also am necro with simp banner so idgaf about parses or I'd be sad hah

[muted arch]

When do you guys taunt swap for heroic sylv

Just on arrows or when she drops stacks too?

[tender phoenix]

a slightly dumb question but can you leap mechanics on painsmith or is it a no leap to death?

[long bronze]

How good is so'leahs secret technique?

vs alch stone

[waxen cradle]

looks like good old community perception is still holding strong that we are shit M+ tanks, getting into a key as a Prot Warrior if pugging continues to be a pain

[uneven river]

You can leap it's risky though

[tender phoenix]

ah ok thanks may need to test it fully next raid

[ebon geyser]

i wish TW would give renown

[nimble laurel]

I haven't really had a problem. What faction?

[ebon geyser]

make your own keys, i mean ppl want what is easy.

[carmine prawn]

Make sure you jump and then leap while mid air, that will clear you from the spiked balls. The only problem is to execute this correctly in the heat of combat

Also, you can consider running bounding strides, that should give you comfortable uptime for leaps almost every weapon hurl

[tame sleet]

Shard of Beks or Rev if you only have one domination socket?

[odd nimbus]

hello everyone,have a question: should i use alchemy trinket 230 or stone legion heraldry 220 with 44 avoidance on it?

pretty unsure about it

[true cairn]

what can i do for make my stats better for M+ i think i gonna melt at some point?

[cursive hedge]

Is Night Fae really the best covenant for M+?

[tiny orchid]

It brings a lot of dmg, soul shape for more ability and what's more important it brings shockwave which is broken ability that interrupts almost everything. RN i think it lost a bit in value cuz of plumage, but still rly powerfull. Overall as warrior i am kyrian cuz before this season it was the most desirable covenant for tanks in dungeons cuz of bonuses, but now many more classes took kyrian so it's much easier to take NF

[unique shale]

it is kyrain while night fae is close

[unique shale]

alchemy trinket 230 for more main stats

[unique shale]

i don't have problem so far it might be different factors like rio, gear, and etc

[sonic tangle]

Am I better just getting 252 gloves with crit mastery vs a 246 ring with 74 haste 173 mastery just based off it giving actual strength on it from my vault?

Jk I just committed to pants

[main veldt]

at renown 48 are we liking Pelagos or Mikanikos?

[ebon geyser]

for mikanos

57

[kindred pine]

If I'm playing warrior, but jumping between arms and prot (raiding prot right now), is it worth switching to NF or just keeping things the same as a Kyrian? Is there enough of a difference?

[toxic sluice]

If i have a coordinated group, is the damage boost provided from the necrolords (with or without Glory)worth running?

[burnt pawn]

kyrian is probably where you want to be then as that will be the go to for arms shortly aswell

have a question on the same note as mirra kinda. Is the sim for necro banner with a venthyr boomy with leggo or is it nf boomy

[cinder nova]

100 parse on H Soulrender on our clear

Let's gooooo

[wide pilot]

Anyone have any tips on how they keep from tunnel visioning while tanking as prot.

Seems like I get too focused on one thing then the others really lack

[digital arch]

haste >>>> all

[carmine prawn]

It's a whole new world at 30%, for me at least. Died alil inside when i have to give up 3% haste for ilvl

[fringe marten]

Anyone else getting mad juked by loot ?

Gotten..1 heroic glove...1 normal mode aegis trinket, 1 old warrior soul trinket. 2 normal clears, 9/10 heroic clear, mythic terragrue, and got back up to guardian dead in heroic..will go back through 9/10 heroic and work on heroic sylv this week.

3 items..? in almost 4 clears? (and a few shards)

[brittle owl]

practice. simple as. focus on one thing till it becomes natural then move on the next thing

[pine cypress]

What mod is that you have that shows the soft cap?

[jade yarrow]

Anyone playing venthyr prot here?

[pine cypress]

I am

[jade yarrow]

Is it possible to do +15 to +18 with coordinated group?

[pine cypress]

Yea, definitely

Being venthyr wont stop you from being able to do any content

It just doesnt benefit Prot as much as the other Covenants

[jade yarrow]

Cuz I would like to play both fury and prot but dislike other covenants look 😄

[pine cypress]

You can definitely do so as Venthyr, it wont stop you

Gameplay and skill will affect your ability to do higher keys far more then your covenant choice

[blazing condor]

In 9.0 even before reprisal and all that, the #1 pwarr was venthyr and did 23s and 24s

Its 100% doable to do way better as a venthyr prot now

[worldly onyx]

yo guys is it worth using a 226 onehand with crit/mastery over my 220 haste/vers weapon as a prot warrrior in M+, or is it too much giving up on survivability? Especially on fortified now, and I'm Venthyr prot @jade yarrow ;)

[strong forum]

Yes it's worth

[distant crystal]

offhand smh

those are for casters you wear a shield my guy

and ilvl alllllways

[dawn oak]

what changed and its way better now?

[mighty valley]

gear cap is bigger and we have better conduits and soulbinds now

honestly you could always do 15+ if you had no covenant at all

[jagged pier]

And no leggo

[mighty valley]

and also the general community knowledge about m+ has gotten a lot better

[dawn oak]

yea ok i get it its enough to do content . im asking what changed and its better now than it was before

[jagged pier]

Nothing really its just as capable as before

Just as harrow said lnowledge is more

And we pray that venthyr prots dont use condemn on 3+targets cause its useless there

[dawn oak]

so it was a lie / joke / bs ok ty

[mighty valley]

15-18 is just easier than it was than it was in 9.0 if you came into it with any gear at all

so it's even more true than it was before that you can be whatever you want to do keys at that level

[jagged pier]

I mean ita not bs or a joke, harrow is correct it is easier as venthyr prot now but it also easier for every other covenant like in a few weeks 20s will probably be like the 15s from last patch tbh, maybe not quite as scaing etc. But 15s aee pretty ez now and we havent even unlocked full soulbinds ot got alot of new gear

For instance i got ksm yesterday and ive got like 3 extra ilvls to what i had when the patch started

[strong forum]

You have reprisal now

Has nothing to do with venthyr

[dawn oak]

ok so venthyr still trash

[mossy peak]

it wouldn't be my pick for prot especially in keys, no, but if you're a fury main and alt speccing

prot is fine on its own now because of reprisal

the covenant abilities are additional trimmings

[dawn oak]

w.e man keep being dense. go in keys without covenant and legendaries and trinkets and w.e because you can time 15 without those anyway right? pepegas in here

bb

[strong forum]

Kek, you do you man

Aaand he left, lmao

[mossy peak]

good riddance

[strong forum]

I mean the name is a dead giveaway

That he doesn't have good intentions

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

😭 you can't time 15s with being suboptimal and skill alone 😭

That's not how games work 😭

[jagged pier]

should see my Dos from last night then KEKW

forgot i was in raid talents

cant cope with ppl like that tbh like honestly what do they expect?

u can only do 15s as a kyrian with rep?

[strong forum]

He's just salty that he can't

Probably

[jagged pier]

well then

get good

[strong forum]

Na, must be the games fault

[jagged pier]

TRUE

shard of kyr btw

pumps shields

[strong forum]

All I see is l33ch

[jagged pier]

yer i got he blood shard with leech

and some more leech on piece

i have like 7%

[strong forum]

Same but without shards

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

Actually no, I lost leech

Cuz I got 252 weppy

[jagged pier]

of course u did

[stray hemlock]

Accretion is the shield shard?

[jagged pier]

yer upgraded a few times

[novel sentinel]

Does the blood shard bonus seem a little underwhelming to anyone else? Not got it to test yet it just reads pretty weak to me

[jagged pier]

dont have it cant say

[novel sentinel]

Fair, I'll have to wait and see then. The unholy bonus is looking real tasty though

[orchid slate]

Is it just me or does HoA feel like the nastiest dungeon right now? Timer is pretty tight, so I do need to combine some pulls, but I keep getting wrecked by wicked bolts. Any advice?

[jagged pier]

wicked bolts got buffed so its kinda meh if u dont intrupt now tbh

[fringe marten]

Just got a grim codex from ToP.. =\ I know the thing looks like doodoo but has anyone actually ever used one in a key? does it end up doing ok overall damage?

[jagged pier]

and the timers alwasy been tight

[fringe marten]

Jiru..yeah you gotta' blast/stun/kick..and if there's an inspiring mob with casters it's a nono, gotta' cc.

[jagged pier]

outside of optimizing the route and palying well theres not much u can do with HoA

[orchid slate]

Do you have a good route for this week?

[blazing condor]

I swear NW timer is also so whack but in the opposite way. 16 deaths and 2 full wipes with a missed orb

Still timed

[jagged pier]

nah NW is just easy cause weps

[jagged pier]

my route will have changed as they fixed the torment spawn points last night

[fringe marten]

? 'fixed' ?

[jagged pier]

yer

[fringe marten]

What was wrong?

[jagged pier]

2 were spawning in the first boss room yesterday

[orchid slate]

wait, I thought they were supposed to move around when switching from tyra to forti

[jagged pier]

which isnt supposed to be happening

[fringe marten]

...sure..that's cool right? lel~

[jagged pier]

they switch potision

but the positions of them should be int he 4 same spots

[fringe marten]

They did. I hope they don't fix the snapping/pet pulling cheese on a couple of the obelisk mobs in various keys.

Like..those tricks are what you 'learn' to help push keys better...removing them just takes away some of the fun of it.

I got that shard of annhyldes aegis from our second normal clear; it's a really good defensive trinket but does nearly no damage... 😦

[blazing condor]

In m+ on big packs its big pump

For that kind of tri ket

[fringe marten]

I've now used it in quite a few keys, 15/16/17 it does no damage. You can pop that shield on the biggest pack ever but overall it's just not adding barely any damage to the run; but as a defensive tool it's stronk..stonks are high. But I don't have a new scale yet either.

What's really surprised me is Codex of the first technique. It's mediocre in keys but it's insane in challenging raid content. In a normal run it'll do meh damage..in a heroic sanctum it'll often be my 4th highest damage source. (beating my cotanks 239 phial substantially)

[sick sentinel]

I found out something cool today that i wanted oto share altho some of you may know that already

On spires, goliath boss, the stomp can be autotriggered by walking into other players and dipping away before the cast finishes and reflect it

[fringe marten]

And for as much damage as it does; it does that much healing...but if you get 'bad' proc rng on it..meh.

[sick sentinel]

i got like 20 % extra damage just by reflecting the dot left by the stomp

and it drains the energy faster

[fringe marten]

Twinblade it used to be reflectable if you just GOT INTO the circle with the other player; then they made it so it HAD to be cast on you; making it a lot more difficult to reflect it.

Are you able to control the cast, or you have to just run 'out' and try and bait it to you?

[sick sentinel]

Stomp can be triggered if you walk into other people

i walk int omy melee and it starts casting it 90% of the time

and obviously walk out before it finishes

[fringe marten]

OH oh sorry I'm not talking about stomp...the thing I meant you used to be able to reflect was the thing he targets on dps they have to run out with.

[sick sentinel]

there are 2 damage components to the stomp so im not sure if a dps can take the stomp and reflect the dot for extra damage

the dot lasts really long and if you can get it to the damage amp phase its even better

[fringe marten]

Might have to science it and see if it can be baited and reflected reliably..I've had it happen but wasn't sure how to control it. ...makes me long for the 1? or 2? weeks we could reflect mythic Goroth's main mythic mechanic in Tomb of Sargeras.

With the double reflect pants in legion you could absolutely trivialize that entire mythic fight alone as a prot war.

[strong forum]

Gotta aim properly

It's only a 90° angle

Whereas the Shield itself is 180

[fringe marten]

I'm tanking the mobs in front of me on my shield and they are going to spread out a bit if it's a lot of mobs.

like it's a 1.7%'ish of my damage type of thing..is it doing more for other folks? (in overall end of dungeon)

BTW

anyone having their invis pots insta break constantly in dungeons almost ALL the time now? Is it the adaptive armor fragment or something else?

[strong forum]

Some shards proc

From stuff like shroud and invis pots

[tame jasper]

is the one-time-free-conveewnatn change noch aktiv?

[blazing condor]

My broke yesterday

But dont have any shards n shid

[elfin nova]

@sick sentinel you trigger stomp by walking inside the bosses hitbox

Not by going near other players

And you don't always want to trigger it, you don't want to phase early before damage cds are ready (unless the boss will die anyway during the phase)

[sick sentinel]

interesting

most cds are usually kept for those anyway

very few classes can pop on pull and still pop on damage phase

and since nobody pops on the smallies Its best to drain the energy asap

so people can get off their cds

[timber jasper]

shard of cor or dyz for the 5th shard if i wanna take kyr as well for raid progression?!

[elfin nova]

I'm talking more about the second intermission i guess but on most key levels (esp on fort) if you're only getting one intermission then sure

[topaz dragon]

Ugh, I got yhr Mythic Boots for Terra, now I need to move my Leggo grom my boots to legs

.<

[jagged pier]

they should be on legs anyway

[hazy dagger]

Hey just wondering, i have a Mouseover macro for Intervene, but alot of the times, if a player is out of range it comes up like this... which requires me to right click and then try intervene again, which makes it really awkawrd, does this happen to anyone else?

[amber herald]

yeah it's the same for me

it works way better on party frames

[jolly cipher]

is unholy the way to go for more damage as a tank? or blood is still better

[jagged pier]

🤷

[strong forum]

If you don't put intervene as an @mouseover macro it works like heroic leap, you enter the "interact" mode thingy

Until you cancel that mode again

[wraith surge]

is there any way to split a log? like i have done yesterday tarrargue as rogue and the eye as tank, is there any way to get only one fight in the logs?

[strong forum]

Ya

Literally says that in the bottom left when you upload it in the tool

"select specific raid" or smth

[wraith surge]

oooh nice, lol i was using the "split log" thing but its useless

thanks

[blazing condor]

Anyone know if theyve change the aggro-range of the zolramus gatekeeper dude closest to the way to the 2nd boss? been going left side to 1st boss and you can just skip him but last time he aggrod

Just curious

[strong forum]

"Split log" is done so the .txt isn't a 7gb big file but you get an individual file for every date

[subtle tulip]

Is hunt exhilaration better than vorkai ambush on Korayn for M+?

[topaz dragon]

I had SLG legs though :(

Sigh, gonna have to find 50k for some leggo eggos

[strong forum]

That's precisely why I crafted reprisal on legs

What are the chances that the endboss of next patch is gonna have legs again with increased ilvl

[gloomy cradle]

I did it yesterday and ran by just fine hugging the “gate/portal” blocking the stairs

[errant widget]

Opened the vault to find 252ilvl Haste/Vers legs inside… P A I N.

[orchid frigate]

i know i didnt play very well in that last dungeon, but geez people are quick with friendly tips

[blazing condor]

Yeah thats what ive always done and its always been fine for me. Someone usually pulls it so idk what causes it. Thanks

[gloomy cradle]

Safest bet is to just shroud over to the Goliath though assuming you have a rogue

[blazing condor]

Yeah probably

I like the quad pull - take spear - go left and kill miniboss then clear to boss and take goliath

But it doesnt really matter tbh

[novel sentinel]

Been blessed with a blood scale this week didn't get one at all last season. Even stacked m0 to upgrade it. Looking good for a start point

[orchid frigate]

gz!

i need to farm a new one

[novel sentinel]

Yeah honestly kinda blessed with that first weeks vault

Although my Co tank did tell me to "sod off"

[orchid frigate]

😄

[blazing condor]

I gave mine up for a wep

[ionic fern]

Tell them you used it to increase your Shield Slam damage.

[orchid frigate]

hehe

[visual ibex]

weapons item level +3 or prefer values?

[strong forum]

Ilvl

[cinder jungle]

Yeah it does the same for me but i kinda just click anyways so meh

[drifting glade]

I run BSC a lot. Should I not do that

Seeing more people prefer BV

[jagged pier]

in raid u run BV

in m+ u dont

[drifting glade]

D'oh

How big is the difference between them?

(in raid)

[jagged pier]

big

[drifting glade]

like, is choosing BV over BSC a matter of survivability or is it also better single target damage

[jagged pier]

both

[drifting glade]

shieeet

i done fucked up

ah well

thanks for the help anyway

[strong forum]

It's not detrimental

But you're just better off running BV in raid

Unless it's a fight with a ton of multitarget cleave

[drifting glade]

Yeah, how much is a ton

are we talking like eye 2 target cleave

or the nine

or like 3+ sustained

[jagged pier]

3+ sustained

[drifting glade]

right, thanks

[spring holly]

What is BV and BSC again?

[drifting glade]

Battle Voice vs Best served cold

Level 30 talents

[sweet summit]

booming voice

[solemn aspen]

(booming)

[spring holly]

oh right yeah

[drifting glade]

OOPS

ill probably mistakenly call that talent battle voice until I die

[modern brook]

At this point it's just commitment

[drifting glade]

its just what I remember it as ok

so what if I battle shout instead of demo shout sometimes

[prime rivet]

For high end m+, should I be stacking vers? I'm prioritizing ilvl > haste > vers and I feel like I'm getting clapped

[distant crystal]

ppl calling for commanding shout as a raid cd

just cause the icon lol

[strong forum]

Ilvl > haste > vers is correct

If you're getting clapped, someone is making mistakes

Either you, or your group

[drifting glade]

lol

[strong forum]

Keep in mind, our mitigation is much much worse right now

Unless you already have a big dick shield already

[opal kettle]

Getting back into tanking some m+ for guild in the 12 to 15 range...with reprisal is bsc or bv the play? And is it AM last tier?

[strong forum]

In m+ always reprisal + BSC + am

[opal kettle]

Thanks!

[granite nest]

Does anyone have a Sanctum of Domination spell reflect list?

[jagged pier]

its in the pins

[true olive]

Pinned

[granite nest]

Ty Jakey

And thornley

[woven bear]

I'm wondering if I should go for the left or right variant for prot hmm

[jagged pier]

when u got your 3 set yes

[woven bear]

Ah okay, so the 37 leech is not worth 6 ilvls

[strong forum]

Not alone no

[distant crystal]

but but...LEECH

[woven bear]

hmm okay, so I guess the fact that it's haste versa vs crit haste doesn't change it?

[jagged pier]

stats dont really matter

[woven bear]

okay

[strong forum]

Better stat are mostly a nice-to-have, not a requirement

[orchid frigate]

ooh today i came to think about that essence that snared mobs with TC. good times

[strong forum]

Only when it could stop mechanics

Namely in UR the chargers

Or Junkyard

[orchid frigate]

idk i like to bully mobs 🙂

thats why i like the vulcanic plumage now

satisfying to see the mobs bounce up and down

[distant crystal]

lowkey think BDK might become meta just because of plumage

[uncut egret]

is there a tbc classic specific warrior discord anyone knows of?

[hoary crow]

what would you guys spend your valor on? shield upgrade or weapon

[distant crystal]

scale & shield imo

[sweet summit]

you get a good shield early raid

so i would personally not spend valor on that

[hoary crow]

oki

[sweet summit]

but weapon/good trinkets like scale/phial/anime and possibly ring with huge stats

[orchid frigate]

https://discord.gg/RbCZJtw

[opal kettle]

How is prot faring in keys so far this tier

[strong forum]

Not any worse than last tier

So, pretty well

But nobody of the real pushers is pushing for another few weeks

Cuz you gotta get your gear and finish raiding first

[waxen cradle]

This week I have found pretty punishing in keys for healers, those whom are not used to handling Grievous have had a hard time keeping up, for us its no different than any other grievous week, but some of the healers I have pugged with have had a rough time of it

[upper nest]

Is 252 Quantum worth picking up from the vault? I do M+ only 😄

[jagged pier]

nope

[upper nest]

Thanks 😛

[rancid ember]

Grievous ain't that bad without pride being a thing anymore.

[strong forum]

I just want equality on tanks regarding grievous stack removal

Because soulcleave is a direct heal it removes a stack of grievous from dhs, so they can never get above 1 stack

[tardy osprey]

would you suggest IP to remove a stack?

[sweet summit]

IP does not remove a stack

oh i see what you mean

[jolly cipher]

askin again if anyone knows if unholy has better damage than blood in terms of shards of domination

[sweet summit]

you could sim it in raidbots, but im pretty sure we'll have some general sims/info pinned over the weekend

[haughty sleet]

Blood aoe unholy single it would seem

[obtuse monolith]

Honestly, why isn't Indomitable treated as healing? I hear it's not proccing that one shard either ("helpful spell" so you'd think, say, IP would count)

[strong forum]

More like indom

[violet stream]

hey guys is there a haste cap that we do not want to exceed?

[jagged pier]

39%

[pseudo crest]

Hi, does anyone know, if a shard can be upgraded if it's inside an item?

[jagged pier]

nope it cant

get the chisel

[pseudo crest]

alright, thanks

[drifting oasis]

what do you use for deathlink? looks like there was some discussion in this channel saying to use shield block, but blockable speadsheet is listing it as not blockable?

[jagged pier]

u use sb for damage on EYE or the lance from the add

otherwise cds and IP

[stark sage]

pretty sure you just pray, that fight kinda sucks for us
IP and SW can keep you alive when shit gets hairy
and yeah SB still works for some damage so you dont want to ignore it

[drifting oasis]

only assailing lance apparently

I guess demo shout should be up for each

[balmy coral]

My god, prot is still busted AF, just finished second in overall damage in a TOP +12

I stack haste (1035) and ver(620)

[strong forum]

Damn that's a bad group you had then

[balmy coral]

This was my Mists 14 group

[balmy coral]

It was, but doing 4.7k dps is nothing to scouff at

[strong forum]

eh

is aight

thats to be expected dps

[lavish oracle]

Big fan of wake, most of its weapon pad but you can get some big numbers 😄

Easy 8k dps

[balmy coral]

Why is it that every prot warrior I run into runs the wall and sub 3k dps? Had a 229 warrior tank an SD+10 last night, so disappointed in his damage

[strong forum]

my NW run without me using weapons

[strong forum]

cuz they bad

[balmy coral]

NW is such a numbers pad!

[strong forum]

its not if you dont use weapons yourself

[lavish oracle]

I would hesitate to let DPS use the orbs

[strong forum]

orb doesnt generate threat

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, but half the time they don't hit all the mobs because they're not paying attention to where they're standing

[strong forum]

🤷‍♂️ we used orbs on bosses

cuz tyra

[lavish oracle]

Ah, I still use orb on trash, I just use spears on bosses

[strong forum]

on tyra idk, seems not worth it

bosses are the only way to rip NW

[lavish oracle]

I feel like Amarth is the only one that's troublesome, or a DPS dying on the last boss

[strong forum]

3rd boss is ultra rippy

everytime its tyra

dps just love to miss hook

and its gg by that point

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, missing a hook is bad

[strong forum]

practically a guaranteed wipe

if a hook gets missed

cuz you will then get too many adds

[lavish oracle]

Orb is just such a huge time save on trash

Especially I'm the necropolis

[strong forum]

what do you need a timesave for if you cant guarantee to kill the boss fast enough

like with the comps i run

boss dmg is whats always lacking the most

[lavish oracle]

If it were me, I just simply wouldn't wipe on the bosses

[strong forum]

idk NW always failed on bosses for me

literally always

either chain wiping to 2nd or 3rd boss

hate that dungeon

[chilly brook]

Anything after the 1st boss is easily wipeable

Tbh

[strong forum]

i literally prefer SD over NW

[distant crystal]

man the pull with like

4 packs + lieutenant

[lavish oracle]

I guess I just haven't had problems in there in a long time

[chilly brook]

I prefer any dungeon over spires....

[distant crystal]

outside of amarth room

is so fun

[lavish oracle]

Easily my best dungeon

[strong forum]

hate NW

if something can go wrong there, its always on bosses

[distant crystal]

just don't play tyr 4Head

though i am interested to see what kinda comps come out for the nosebleed pushers to get their tyrannical score

or if they'll even care and just focus on WF fort keys

[strong forum]

boomkin + ele + rogue

venthyr hpal

[lavish oracle]

Usually spear + hammer feels like enough for the bosses, orbs just do so much damage on trash I can't justify using them unless I'm about to wipe on amarth

[distant crystal]

yeah venthyr moonkin gonna be stonks

[strong forum]

idk, my hammers and spears do literally 0 dmg

bosses always take longer than people take on fucking 25s

[lavish oracle]

Me and my rogue friend crit 2 spears and a hammer on the last boss the other day in a 15, boss died in 17 seconds :D

[strong forum]

we took like 3min even with 2 hammers

eh maybe 2

[distant crystal]

man did you see the bonedust spear on last boss

like 90% hp in one chunk lol

[lavish oracle]

No, sounds nutty, lol

[distant crystal]

it's already hotfixed tho

[lavish oracle]

Aw

[distant crystal]

they showed it on the last titanforge pod i think

[lavish oracle]

They should really just make those weapons not crit

Too much variance for MDI

[distant crystal]

i think it's ok if they just crit based on your chars crit chance

and not wacky soulbind stuff

[lavish oracle]

I guess, it just feels like such huge time saves from RNG

Bad look for a competitive format

[blazing condor]

got the mount from The Nine

[strong forum]

wdym, on 28 its only a difference of 500k if you crit or not

25% boss hp variance is FINE

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

tfw can roll mounts but 0 pieces of loot from the raid

feelsweirdman

[mighty valley]

our mage crit with hammer and spear on stitchflesh in our 16 last night... 20s fight

[low fossil]

I saw someone say theres a bug in how necrolord banner chooses its targets. is that still a thing? where can I find info on that?

[blazing condor]

i love the tarague fight honestly

big deeps

[strong forum]

its fixed for a while again

[low fossil]

ok so its just the closest people right?

[strong forum]

ya it works again as it should

[low fossil]

cool thanks

[unique shale]

i got valor to spend

should i keep it for blood scale or upgrade my weapon ?

[distant crystal]

i'm banking valor for now

no real rush to spend it

[jagged pier]

when i can upgrade to max gear but got no gear to upgrade cause i dont get loot

when a rank 3 shard is nearly as powerful as a torment power

[tall pecan]

Jesus

[dusky canopy]

Wow! 11% of your healing was from the leech shard alone???

[blazing condor]

leech meta

pog

[jagged pier]

no

but i do have that one

accretion is the shard

[blazing condor]

how much leech do i need to do 20s?

[strong forum]

17

[blazing condor]

ty

[strong forum]

%

[jagged pier]

see i have a i lemma do i keep my 226 shoulders so i can have 7% leech or do i take 229 shoulders and go down to 4%

[blazing condor]

apparently leech is super good

so id say 226

[dusky canopy]

That leech seems very nice, what shard gives you accretion?

[jagged pier]

kyr

and the leech shard is rev

[dusky canopy]

You're using both?

[jagged pier]

i have both yer but i do have leech on like 4 pieces of gear

so your also seeing that leech

[dusky canopy]

Tru

Haven't checked pins but I assume we go for blood bonus??

[jagged pier]

atm yes

but we will have somthing for u guys over the weekend maybe

[dusky canopy]

Depending on goal and content, going for damage bonus could be better right?

[jagged pier]

well the main stats from full unholy

may be nutty for dps and the extra strength for the armour

when sims are done we will tell u guys im sure

[dusky canopy]

Right right thats what I'm thinking

I see aegis as well

Have you guys compared scale yet?

[jagged pier]

well aegis isnt working correctly right now

its doing this damage right now

instead of its self

but the mitigation from it is insane

[dusky canopy]

Oh nice it's none target capped it appeara

[jagged pier]

well its ment to be

once its fixed

[dusky canopy]

Does it give a basically full health bar shield like scale does?

[strong forum]

More

[jagged pier]

its uncapped mitigation

[woven bear]

Shard of Bek or Shard of Rev for the first domination socket?

[strong forum]

And an ardenweald pull for a dh it absorbed 250k

In 1 use

[woven bear]

"Your damage is increased by 1.9% when you have 50% or more health than your target" sounds strange. Does it trigger if I have >50% in front of a raidboss?

[dusky canopy]

Wow!

[strong forum]

:) it has infinite mitigation

The more targets the better aegis

[dusky canopy]

It reads like it should only mitigate 10k??

[strong forum]

No

Read properly

[dusky canopy]

Im not reading it correctly

[strong forum]

It lowers the dmg you take from attacks

By ~7k

Does it say it has a cap?

[dusky canopy]

It looks to me like the tool tip says up to 9900

[strong forum]

Read again

Properly

And slowly

[dusky canopy]

Lmao brains fried to much work today

[strong forum]

It lowers the damage of EVERY ATTACK by X amount for 8 seconds. PERIOD

Then it has a 2nd portion

If you mitigate X amount or more, you will deal dmg once the effect ends

Aka after 8seconds are over

[fierce field]

so even a lower ilvl of that would be better than a max scale?

[strong forum]

Depends on how big you pull

[fierce field]

do I not need to chase a new scale? faints

[dusky canopy]

Theoretically yes it seems like

[strong forum]

A 252 scale absorbs ~90k

On 5 targets

[dusky canopy]

Aegis can absorb infinite for 8 seconds yeah?

[strong forum]

Basically, aegis gets better the higher keys you do

[distant crystal]

the more autos the better

[strong forum]

Because on low keys, you don't take enough damage

With SB up you're literally immune to damage with aegis up

For 8 seconds

[dusky canopy]

Easy pick now I just wait for it to never drop

[strong forum]

I feel like we should get a pin to explain the trinket

Cuz reading comprehension isn't a strong suit of alot of people

[cinder pasture]

Me warrior, me no read

[dusky canopy]

After you lowered the iq of the text for me I got it

[woven bear]

Do you have a cool weak aura for the trinket?

[strong forum]

The only WA you'd need would be a generic buff tracker

It has a huge animation

[fierce field]

the cool WA needs to make sure you cover the largest portion of your screen/character, so you intentionally stand in bad while it's active

[woven bear]

😄

or a sum of the dmg it absorbed

[dusky canopy]

I was reading this tool tip btw I just figured out why I wasn't comprehending what you were telling me @strong forum

[strong forum]

Hah

Ya no that's just a garbage trinket

But aegis is bugged, so it doesn't do its own dmg, but it does that garbage trinkets damage

[steady slate]

I'd appreciate it @strong forum. Even with your explanation I'm struggling to connect it with the text on the trinket. That could be because, like @dusky canopy, my brain is fried. I've been cleaning a cooling tower today and probably lost several gallons of water doing it.

[coarse meadow]

hey guys someone can send me to th correct path, which conduits/tree route is best for venthyr, draven

like wowhead mentions for example this route, bud i dont think this is a good talent because we as a tanks dip below 50 almost every boss fight or big pull

[austere wedge]

Hello, will the blood shards remain bis for prot bois?

[strong forum]

Will have to see what Sims spit out on the weekend

[austere wedge]

Kay, got it

[steady slate]

are the shards like regular gems, where replacing one destroys it?

[strong forum]

Yes

You should use the chisel to remove the shard

That way it doesn't get destroyed

[steady slate]

what?

[shut summit]

https://i.imgur.com/ttiCiN4.png

[steady slate]

huh. i didn't know that existed

[leaden basin]

is solo soaking obliterate on guardian of the first ones just a monk thing? no way protwar can do that right?

[strong forum]

Every tank should be able to solotank for 99% of time I think

But I guess CB + Zen med is quite OP on that

[leaden basin]

124k arcane dmg on heroic

[strong forum]

Pally can soak it with bubble

And pwar with scale + SW / Demo / IP should be good aswell

[leaden basin]

yeah couple cds

[strong forum]

120k isn't all that much if you count in some CDs

SW + IP should be enough tbh

If you're full HP

[blazing condor]

how good is the nerzhul trinket?

[strong forum]

Pretty shit

From what I know

[blazing condor]

how does the thing work

that you have to follow

[strong forum]

No clue I just know that i don't want it

[blazing condor]

gonna have to try it

just got it

one thing was to just kill a small ad

[fringe marten]

Just want a better old warrior soul now; and Garrosh's trinket (looks cool) and a heroic/mythic of the aegis..that trinket @pale panther quality will be god tier in M+

and I guess a max upgrade or vault phial because..it's still good ST

Does that decanter of howling not do well, no one seems to even talk about it.

[blazing condor]

yeah trinket seem to work that it will periodically spawn a small one-hit ad

that you cant aoe

like explosives

then you kill it and get the stats

[fringe marten]

no not that one

[strong forum]

1 global spent on damaging on it is wasted

[fringe marten]

I don't want that one; where you face your fear or whatever

[blazing condor]

nah was talking about the other trinket

sorry wasnt meant to seem like a reply

[fringe marten]

OH yeah I know that one isn't good..I mean the one from garrosh ( basically..no one cares about that loot pinata guy..only the cut scene after 🙂

[strong forum]

it has only 1.5procs per minute

[fringe marten]

I love pugging keys.. was 2200 season 1, i'm 9/10 mythic CN, 9/10 heroic SoD, 1974 season 2 rating now (trying to get DoS 15+ so I can finish 2k achieve) 235 ilevel... and the guy with the 15 dos key is "I dunno if prot warrior can tank good?"

...? bruh..do I have to start pvp'ing too?

[strong forum]

most people dont know that prot is good in keys

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/5exP4me.png

its pretty shit

[fringe marten]

no it's all good..I'll just push for gladiator as prot..maybe THEN people will go "oh prot war is ok?"

[modern brook]

probably not

for every 1 of you

theres 45 people still pressing ignore pain as damage mitigation

[fringe marten]

..What is that salved fusion amplifier?

salvaged~

[fringe marten]

Never even heard of it? Is it that thing that looks like a sword we got last night?

YUP

FUUuuuu

the guy who got that, was an officer who main heals so he put it up for trade in our heroic run (loot council)

of COURSE it went to an ACTUAL dps class..those LOOT WHORES.

[sweet summit]

imagine thinking tanks have loot prio

[jagged pier]

i dunno i got into a dos 15 fine last night an im 228 ilvl

[fringe marten]

Every time a dps trinket goes up for loot council I put the note "Nice DPS toy.."

I know jakey..it's randos who don't know lol (I just got into one actually)

[jagged pier]

i was inting the key hard was in raid talents still timed though

[modern brook]

jakeys trollingsmh

[jagged pier]

[fringe marten]

People who are actually good at keys know warriors are fine; people who are barely scraping up to 15's are trying to get 'meta comps' because Naguura or Dratnos says so~

[leaden basin]

playing war and bear... i dont really blame people for wanting a safer tank

but atm i am certainly "scraping up to 15s"

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/J4LL7QT.png

does this work for you?

[distant crystal]

i had the same thought at first

it would kinda make sense with their usual philosophy for it to work that way too

[modern brook]

they're saving you time and blood pressure by not taking you tbh

[distant crystal]

but apparently it's uncapped gigaDR

[modern brook]

IF i get declined froma key cause "prot cant do 15s" im honestly the one winning there

[steady slate]

It does. Thank you. I realize my mistake now. I was trying to connect your explanation to the other trinket, which is completely different from this one.

[strong forum]

or like this

https://i.imgur.com/CIAkGF1.png

[errant thorn]

That font is atrocious

[strong forum]

[errant thorn]

Don't make the outline so thick on it

[strong forum]

bro i have to retype

[errant thorn]

You have like size 5 outline on it bro

[stark sage]

smh nome

[steady slate]

@modern brook what a weird thing to see. every tank class can do 15s. why would anyone say that?

[modern brook]

Because people that play world of warcraft are actually the worst world of warcraft players in the world.

[steady slate]

lol

i suppose we all have our biases. i tend to avoid priest healers because i just don't feel comfortable with them healing me.

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/TgT1VTB.png

@errant thorn better?

[blazing condor]

what if it's higher ilvl?

[errant thorn]

Bro...

You know what, I'll do it

[strong forum]

itll obv be higher reduction

[blazing condor]

wasnt that clear

sorry ill stop meming

[modern brook]

i played with a disc preist yesterday that just completely destroyed my notion that disc cant play on greivous

barely noticed it existed

very impressed

[jagged pier]

it does 2.8k or somthing to everything it is dependant on pull size i used it on all blobs in PF and it did like 80k

[steady slate]

i haven't met that disc priest yet. my experience with disc on grievous is pull slow and small

[modern brook]

same

[steady slate]

my go-to healers are shaman and druids

[modern brook]

also my personal experience learning disc was to jump into a 15 atal dazar on grevious week

2 hours later i dont play the class naymore :^)

[steady slate]

lol

my first (and last) experience healing as resto shaman was a +4 black rook hold back in legion.

[strong forum]

my last healing experience was rsham mage tower

[chilly brook]

My last healing experience was yesterday in 2s as a MW

[steady slate]

yeah, after that BRH, i was just "nope" to healing anything. i'm not suited for it, really. i enjoy tanking, and when i'm not tanking, i want to hit things with big axes, so arms.

[errant thorn]

Don't @ me about this trinket. I just make picture.

[fading dirge]

Disc priest gone prot warrior this patch. Grevious isn’t bad if your team doesn’t eat every mechanic like some like to do

[modern brook]

a man after my heart

[strong forum]

ah. White text

[leaden basin]

pug healing is great, you never know if you are walking into an LFR or mythic raid dungeon

[strong forum]

with black border

[modern brook]

IDK @errant thorn i liked it better with a 80pnt outline